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Mike Shinoda

2010-04-06
Recently I became email pals with Mike Shinoda of the band Linkin Park and have found him to be two of my favorite things: super-smart and super-nice. This is a special "one-on-one" podcast, with just Mike and myself, as Jonah and Matt were both out of town doing out of town things. Don't worry, though, I'm sure Matt was liking the Dave Matthews Band wherever he was. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
now entering Nerdist. Dot com No, this a good room with the very little distraction. I think that sounds pretty good. I think that sounds pretty good yeah and the other. The thing is that the windows are covered, so we're not getting that glass, sometimes I'll record, put it the conference rooms and then I get comments in a warehouse. Thank you. You please continue enjoying your free entertainment, I'm here, I'm here with MIKE Shinoda of of Lincoln Park and also just MIKE Shinoda,
who is MIKE Shinoda of my action of MIKE Shinoda fame. I brought you to share with me some. If you hear this, that's a box of girl scout open. Mint cookie are delicious. Those are those are one of my favorite cookies. They really are the best. I unfortunately did not have time to freeze these, which is really what you would prefer with in, but that's these are just just smell. Like I two months ago eh, I guess a den mother came to my door with like five little. Girls are but yes, I mean it's only time. You can really act, excited around Greg little girl scouts without being arrested. So I sort of the boxes of him and then, of course I I travel so much I'm out of town. I come home and my girlfriend was like: did you order, like ten boxes of girl scout cookies, because I just paid for them?
So so? Yes, I I don't know a lot about. I've done a lot of interviews, but I don't know a lot about the. I can add a kick of doing interviews, but I do know that eating during an interview is the best thing right. Yeah. Definitely like one of the top three things you do when you sit down for an interview, you start eating chewing gum things like that. Well, the better, because the good part about it is you wanna make sure that, when you're talking to someone that your mouth is open and they can see how much food is is in your gaping maw and- and so I find like that, That's how I that's how I like to run the nurse podcast by the way normally I'm joined by Jonah, Ray and Matt MIRA. They format was stuck in Boston because of weather issues and enjoy. We got sent out of town to shoot a web sketch that I think, involve some sort of Rube Goldberg someone getting hit in the nuts type of a mechanism.
This is if you're cool, just like in the better version of the okay, go video and exited the end. Instead of instead of getting hit with paint you get hot. How awesome would that be like yeah? If you wanted to up the ante on the on the Okay GO video, one of them would die or you, I mean if there would have to be some sort of something it's just it's just paint balls. It would have to be a attacked by tigers or something at the end. I think that I would like to see that meme develop, be ok, ok, go meme. Poor guys. I love that video and I know I saw it on your blog too, and I put it on mine and my favorite thing The video is watching the intensity on their faces. Just know it like. You know, they've done this, like I think it's a good. Fifty two tries yeah. You know they've done it like thirty times or whatever fifty times a day. It's just that please, yes, everything, work, we've already broken one piano, please don't let the second piano we don't have fifty pianos, I mean just as as as an artist as as the as the being in the
park. Do you? How do you look at that? Do you look at that video and go fuck? I wish we had made that or holy I. We would never want to make yeah well that yeah yeah both I mean, there's that one one part of me says well. First of all, I have to say on the on the positive side of these guys, were I actually sent that video to some of our team, because always tell them. I have a design background, graphic design, background and illustration background and the one thing that I try to happen, and it never seems to happen- I just I I say it and the the words just kind of evaporate into thin air, and nobody ever hears me is that we should try and do more with less. We should try and make the biggest impact in the greatest design those little like for one thing as possible right and their first video from this one of the first videos I saw from this album, but the what the fuck WTF video. It was, I mean they literally just. I think they basically
my cat and would go by and bug in this and the the the recording software they were using or something was like some some bug that they beat able to manipulate, and they just use that and they choreographed a great video. It's kind of the same thing is that treadmill video use a great idea, and then it doesn't first a lot to get it done. You just do it because you've got a good idea right. So I sent out to everybody- and I said you know that with that, if you have the on that, I sent them the other one. Is that okay or if you got a whole bunch of time in a whole bunch of money, then you could do this right. So I do love that video it did occur. Though that it would be the the it's the absolute opposite of what I want to do it with the video as far as like spending your time doing, something to sixty takes of that would be maddening right by the way it wouldn't have been awesome to have been. I I always think about like boy if I could If I could have been anywhere in history, I feel like being in a rock band in like the 70s or like a glam rock band in the 80s. Where was just like they back of truck,
money up to your house and then a secondary truck full of vaginas, and then that's it. That's your life! Basically, you know now everyone is so like so efficiency, conscious and just but to imagine living in a time where it was like two million dollars who gives a you know, let's do it, what condoms whatever? I don't know that word like just that all kinds of to me. Do you ever wish that do you ever wish that we can could been like a 70s, my band, when I was in and greasy what a like? We wouldn't work. You know what I mean: that's the we probably wouldn't have ended up being interested in being a ban than anybody knows, because we would look at all that and just been like that's a nightmare like I don't want to be on tour with that would like to crazy.
I mean for me, I mean I'm the most boring you know I'll do shows on the road and they'll use. Call me boring. That's up. You know me yeah, you too, so what is it? Okay, we'll do the boring testament to set some of the sounds about your speed. Wait we're first of all, just just just I mean look we'll look at we started out. We started out with girl scout thin mints, so immense then made cookies anywhere in a conference room for a conference room. Okay, so you're saying I was saying you know for me. You know my my little pre show my little pre show ritual is let's MAC. Maybe some almonds will chai tea do show drink a bunch of water like stay hydrated and get all responsible up in this mother fucker and then they'll have some Cama meal or mint tea at right. After the show after I meet people, and then I go to bed that is so fun
that you try and put that forward as you're like persona, because I mean you know, that's the reason. Obviously you don't do these. These podcast with video was that I know that you've got lsd in your headband right now, but yeah. These people have no idea. That's cool, though that's really cool you kind of play up up the nerd persona. I don't know if I agree with you, but I would like to ask the flaming giraffe sitting next to you. If he agrees with you and also have you ever considered that were just falling into a vortex of time anyway, I did by the way bring you a gift as well. Actually I brought to you for you and then you can give away the other one. I would love to. I've got two books they're the same so they're not they're, not different book. There's one is not a little bit better than the other. Keep the one that's a little bit better. If you like did sign both of them. So my you, like one of the few like one of the signature is better than the other one
but yeah I did like I said I do have a design and illustration back on. I did an art show called glorious excess and this is the book the kind of went with the show. So what is this for you? That is awesome. You can do whatever you want so much given yeah I saw I saw the link to. I saw the link to a bunch of the the the slides from the show and it it looks amazing, and this is something that I feel is really something that I want to get into a little more as well is. Do you feel in today's artistic climate that it's really in I know that's a the stupid way to say that? But do you feel like it's important to do things as possible, because I feel like we from a generation where our parents- and maybe our grandparents, were like focus on one thing and just do one thing, and now we're take to that everything is the family business, the family, business, whatever it is in my in my What did your dad do? You did something cool my dad. I couldn't really get into the family business because
my dad was essentially like a rocket scientist, so it would be yeah be tougher to follow in get more to go in that direction. My dad was also involved in in in the field that was related to physics. He was a professional bowler and, and so there's a lot of exchange of momentum in asian axes and things of that nature did he try and get you in the bowling he never tried, but but here's the thing I mean I grew up in a ball I grew up in bowling shoes. You know like pictures of me when I'm three bowling and and then he retired from the pro bowlers tour and then open a bowling center. So the first thirteen years of my life a bowling center. Every my parents met because my mother Father owned a couple bowling centers. My whole family tapestry was bowling little bit easier to get into probably than rocket science. Would you my dad my dad, was, I that's the simple way of describing what my dad did. He had an engineering background. He worked MO
actually manager? He wasn't like the scientist who was like develop? new technology that they put- the space shuttle, but he did work on in the space program. He did work in aerospace and and he did stuff that that ended up. I guess I'm there projects like the word, where some kind of tracking our computer system for the Apache helicopter. Oh my god, like as a kid like when I was little the movie top came out yeah, know and that I mean for any kid that age the boys that age, and that was like the coolest movie right I mean my that's pretty like we all went specially that hot shirtless volleyball scene. That was really that's when you really get to see how the Navy were and all that. But on that note I think it was it was. It was just just perfectly targeted r, a demographic because it had just enough of sex scene. You were like. Oh sweet totally get it on yeah, but but
after that movie came out, you know, I know all of my friends were way into like fighter jets. S and stuff like that and my dad is bringing home models of the stuff that they worked up like I couldn't be cooler in my nerdy little friend group 'cause. I had calendars of F Fifteens and SR seventy ones in a patchy sr. Seventy one blackbird, I'm saying like it was it was super cool for a minute that my dad was did what he did, but except the only problem was that he couldn't talk about what he did ha. You know this is so cool it's, but it's still, but it was there when you were watching Airwolf that he walked by and go bullshit bullshit bullshit. Now you wouldn't even let me watch it would have a legit watching that crap and similarly, when my date, when people ask my dad if he like kingpin he's like it was a cute sorry, but that's not really how it was. I think I'm like yeah. I know that's not really how it does the Amish don't fucking bowl either that's were going to spend you just believe dad, but but yeah do you feel
it simply because I I feel like you know this is such a such a high. Ten driven world that you really need to be able to like use. You told me you're going to be marketing meetings all day and that's and It's essential now and I feel like I you go to school to study marketing. You know I actually I studied philosophy which is I didn't set. It are bass player. Oh really, then, of course reply those degrees and weird. You know, artistic fields for him. I think I mean it's well. I don't want to get too far off the off the tracks here, but the as far as
being having diverse interests and and being focused and not you know, swimming in bucket loads of cocaine. You know, kids can use women okay, so you know sort of like a load of cocaine in the mix it with enough vodka. You can what's great, is the more you swim, the faster you swim, because I what yeah I wouldn't know, because that's we. I spend all my time markets like kit going on turbo my movie, just like the fans come out today and many Invencible temporarily into her heart explodes. But you know we don't. You know. We actually are very sir. It's about the the yes interests that that each of the guys have we we're we're interested in putting those out there just as a as a as a function of like that's who we are individually and how to get that stuff out of our system, and it doesn't we don't find ourselves trying to injected it into like what is Lincoln Park. You know I'm saying so: I'm not the stuff that I do
with my art, show or stuff that I put on MIKE Shinoda dot com, like I can kind of just get that out of my system and then I'm not like trying to make these themes that show up in my paintings, I'm not trying to like make them work in Linkin Park Song, which kind of wouldn't work right now, so it's it's I feel like it's a healthy balance and and yeah you're right, like you, know, a lot, there's room for it. On the internet, you Know- and it's it's benefits shoulder just have that stuff out there, and you know I kind of get a sense of who you are, and you know then then, hopefully you get a lot of really weird people from all over the world. Stalking you in a different way is really really great, but the really great thing to have I mean: do you? Do you think Do you think that it is essential, though, do you think that it's essential to put out as many different types of of of things as
or do you think it's essential to have a marketing back really like to be able to understand any of the marketing? I don't feel like it's essential. I feel like it's essential to have it under control, but I don't meaning. I feel like it's essential for that to be done well, but I don't feel like the. I just need to do it and I also don't feel like it's it's for every artist to do it the same way, obviously like there's there's a there, a lot of bands that benefit from the mystery created by stop being available online. So you know, whereas I think using maybe Trent, Reznor or Jack white as an example like, if those guys were as available as Ashton Kutcher, you would be really really bummed that they would be a different now is. Trent is Trent in a break twitter right now, 'cause like in the beginning, he was Miss Twitter, I have no idea, I don't follow. I mean, I guess those are bad examples, because I'm not that like he was Twitter for awhile Trent, and then it got to a point where he
was overwhelmed by the immediacy of like it was, was not enough of a wall between himself and that's bad people. That's why I didn't get on right away and he literally was just like I fucking quit and rotor thing and said fuck you in the face guys I'm done with this. I don't need this bullshit. I am. I I'm able sometimes to learn from other people's mistakes like if that's a good, that's a great scenario for me, where I don't have to like go through it myself. So when I see other people do that thing and they'd go. Oh shit, like I really don't have enough privacy for to keep myself life, but- and I can look at that and go then not going to do that yeah. So I was actually really really late joining Twitter and it was mostly because I didn't want. I don't feel comfortable like having people like there. You know on my bike just knowing every little move, because it's it's, that's not how I kind of do things, but that's why the blog actually works really. Well,
I, like your blog and I feel like it's. I feel like how many people do so, that's really that's all. I really do because I feel, like mine, is similar in the sense that you know it's: it's not you're, not putting up MIKE Shinoda NEWS, every five minutes, all right right, right, right, here's, a cool thing that I saw it like you know. This is the sort of tumblr approach to the blogs that I that I feel like it's kind of mine too. I for one stuff in there occasionally like here's, the thing I'm doing yeah, but it's really you really. I think it's the perfect way, though, the, but the internet should be used, which is you are genuinely sharing information you're, giving back to the internet as much as you're, taking right and I do like I I put stuff there all the time that is kind of like the okay go thing, for example: I've! Never those guys, I don't even have their- I only have their new a record. I don't have anything else yeah I them or I I I know nothing about the band, except that I read
is the guys name Damien. I read the guys that singers piece in the New York Times and I was like that's all- some so amazing he nailed it and we have. Our own drama have had our own drama, which I can't really get into partially, because I can't partially because I don't fully understand with our label and Youtube We had our own issues where they pulled. We had like. This about hours. Just to give you an idea of why I was that kind of how that I ended up where I ended up with those guys. I we had like the number one between number one and number five music site on music channel on Youtube, bigger than bigger than everything right, and it was mostly based on the fact that our videos were there and they were getting a load of traffic Warner. Brothers couldn't come to a deal, did Youtube and they pulled. All of
So we learn subscribers. We lost everything, they essentially erased my raid array star channel, and then we had to like reboot it basically, so it's just that it's that it's that short term bullshit bottom line thinking and I guess, this is, I know how to do is look at spreadsheets then. Maybe I can uh stand what their bits New York Times like the peace of your New York Times, but but they understand that that long term, it's so much more beneficial to you to be able to corral your fans and followers- and I mean like that, will keep them- fans for life for the next several albums rather than okay. Sorry, big company you're not making a few one thousand dollars on stupid ads that you've laid on those things that we've got your costing us millions in future chameleon. Views on one video and you just erased it all But you can't get it back. So now, they've got like a few one hundred thousand views on videos and RP.
Will go to them and go all this man, like you, know we're going to meetings with other organizations saying like ok, you know you should help sponsor Artur to give your listeners, an idea if so, if the girl scout cookies sponsors Artur Tour, that makes the ticket prices lower fans. So that's a good thing right. If girl scout cookies shows up at the meeting and they go well. We look you guys up online and you really like you got three thousand views on. You know we we had five million sold fifty million records. I promise you, we don't have two hundred and fifty thousand fans watching a video Warner brothers raised in there just like, but we don't know how you know we get. Can you give us more specific need? It is such a you know, because everything is so add. Driven now with such a metric obsessed world, where I mean, you know. Of course I excited when I feel like. Oh more people, doing the podcast more people watching the show, but I think it's so obsessed with the numbers. It's like twitter, it's fun
to have a lot of twitter followers. We an example, but but the truth of the matter is would you rather have a million followers that are sort of committed to you, or would you rather have One thousand who are diehard fans you would rather have the ten thousand die hard fans. You know, definitely already feel like I'm or I only have, I think I'm only following like fifteen or twenty people, and I party at the point where I'm like it's today. If there's too much shit in my twitter feed, you know I mean it's that sats comes back the reason I was like hesitant. So it's I don't want to be that locked into it. On an involved in and I want. I need a little bit of distance. I need a little bit of privacy. Well, I mean, I think when it when the 90s rolled around did the internet dot com? All that the and we first started getting and some people are like it's the information age and now I feel like we're in a
sub age, of the managing that information Adesa Filter edge it really. It is if it's a much better way, a much much much better way to I don't think that's. I think that came from somebody else, but yeah I don't know. Well, let's just say you say yes, I definitely coin that, but let's call it MIKE, should notice, filter eight one, the band filter. We came up with it. We have filters everything everything, that's the the use that well, but I mean, if you think about, and that's the reason that you and I like it's our instinct to like put the stuff we like up on our sites. I mean every, but there are tons of people who listen to your podcast. Do the same it's about like, sharing with your friends, the stuff that you know doesn't suck 'cause, there's so much stuff, that's annoying or it sucks or it's just like there how much noise and it's it's nobody's job to say you know. Okay, all that shit like this is yeah you're right, we've really become a culture of aggregators yeah and, and it was never I mean I guess
to a degree. It was like that when, when I was a kid where it was check out this game, yeah two, maybe for other people, yeah right right, but at that point I mean, if you go back far enough, I forget what book it was. I was really. Maybe you could help me out with that, but it was talking, but how, in the beginning of like, if you think about music, going back like Ed Sullivan, I mean you've got literally like one show. Oh yes like this is what everyone listens to, and everybody goes yes, sir and they've. Listen to that one thing and then all of a sudden you've got a couple of shows and also you gotta couple of channels, and now, where are we at were like what I mean I was actually just spoke to at ten, the founder of Pandora. I just looked him for the first time I think was yesterday that was yesterday sorry brain alright, freeze. Maybe you should have a cookie to loosen up their brain freeze. He We were talking about how I mean, like
He was saying how, if you do it, if, if they, you know, look at their databases and talk and and and they can do some really great analysis, for you know record labels, for music musicians for whoever just to get a sense of like where you where your people are at like if you want to your fans, you want to get your fans a message, then here's where they are, but then even he was like and that's only pretty much. Like we stand behind. Our thing. Are the music genome thing, but when you leave Pandora, that's the wild West and I can't vouch for any of it- could be completely different from pandora, but within Pandora. That's what it is. There's you know: there's a million of those universes out there and just trying to sift through it all and find the goods toughen contact, get in contact with the people that have similar intra well then you guys in Lincoln Park has it has its own social network, which is super awesome the I am working with the the girls who I think I don't girls with their eight years old.
They told me these with the ladies who, who put together your social network, I'm working on I'm working on one as well, and I feel like it's really important. You know because it's sort of like third, like so networks like Facebook or whatever it just feels like that's everyone right, and you know it's it's just like try pull people away and form your own little bubble where you can really connect with people that are that are genuinely like minded like really specifically to the mall. Like you like minded an. Are you fine that's working with with your social network? Our network is, the heart of our network is mostly based on in the bands that are like you know we're off. Where would you just call off cycle right now we're in between records? We don't have singles on the radio for saying so that does it tend to be on the network or ones that are like really following just because they fans, like they're they're
in their own words there, like whatever you guys, do we're going to be fans. I gotTa Linkin Park tattoo on my back and that's that right. You know so person, you know we try and keep them, we, we obviously there's some kind of connection going there. We must be in just in the same things, or they wouldn't be visiting my blog and wouldn't be doing this. You know participating in a contest on lincolnpark dot com whatever, but once we get into cycle, then you get you reach start reaching out to the more casual listener, and I think that that's where it gets tricky. Like Ashton, Kutcher on on Twitter, like he's, got shit load of casual followers right, you know, and they don't necessarily love him, but he is one of the ones that was recommended when they first joined and there he was on the top of the list and they joined, and he was slightly entertaining opinion. Does that mean that there you know if he were to do a live, show or those people 'cause it's it is I would,
they know it is such a big difference too. I would I would love, I value the more dedicated fans over the casual ones because, obviously because they are but they are like they are actually following. However, at it doesn't mean that I think the casual ones are are not sorry not in value not I think they are valuable to, I think I'm not making makes sense. I know what you mean, I know what you mean you're. Ultimately, I think you're ultimately saying that you gotta prioritize and and and the and the hardcore fans are gonna, be the ones that are going to support you through lean times yeah, you know like through through all of it yeah it's like that the the story article about finding one thousand true fans. You ever read that if you can do it like any artist can if you can pull together, one thousand true fans, you can make a decent living and really connect. But ultimately, if you can pull together, one thousand fans, then you'll probably pull together two thousand and then at a certain point it will tip you know exactly you.
They have been around long enough that you have you've probably seen everything make the shift as far as internet culture and I mean you know when we yeah to give us idea wake up like when we started out when we started out Arden. So we had a street team that we were in touch with via snail, mail and and email email was just starting to be like, taken on by by the masses of at least in our bike. Late teens early twenties demo- and we were you know we we're. Basically that was at every show we have our little mailing list and they'd fill in one or the other or both, and we can't back then, when I record when, when I record was coming out, hybrid theory was our first album came out in two thousand and two thousand one and
we literally mailed our street team cassette demos set singles thing goes: it was one step closer on a side in a song called an in with you. On the b side. I mean they got those in a lot of them. You know, gave those to friends and ask for more and make it got stickers and those things and yeah the whole thing has been. You know it's just it's just to say that's where we started it, but I mean even at that point just as a side note. I tell people this all the time that we we always felt like we love we, we really energized by the internet. We were excited about it and felt like that it it played a role in who we were as a band. So we actually chose the name Lincoln Park because we could get the donate domain name like That's we renamed the band we had to rename the band for legal reasons were called zero. Then we were called theory and we couldn't use those names. So we had to choose a different one and we wanted to use Lincoln Park for various reasons, but
The presidential spelling dot com was taken, so we change the spelling of the band. The name the band, so we could get the dot com and we did and it panned out it actually worked. It was really for us, because people could find us directly. Just type in n dot com and there we were and I could get on board joined the network to see what we're up to an because it actually because of the name Lincoln Park. They all thought we were a local band. So there is that connection to like we're from Chicago there from Chicago right actually were from LA, but they didn't know that the now it's too late they're hooked yeah, but we we you, let's involved, because we got just because we loved it and we were excited about it and we got kind of an early start on it. We've we followed it. You know in our own way. We found ways to make the internet work for us and we've at this point, we're still, I think, we're still learning it right. Now, it's a bad time for me to be talking about us, the and being like I.
So I I guess you could say savvy when comes the internet, because if you go to our site right now, I actually really don't like the design of the site. It's an interim site, but we have a video game coming out on Iphone Ipod Touch and Ipad and the game is the site is kind of skinned to look like the game, so it did you help develop. Ok, yeah. I designed some of the characters I that is so fantastic, and just I mean that that would be gratifying. I mean, like you know, I know, complain a lot like. Oh there's so many different media outlets and it's so hard to pull everything together to just fire up concentrated stream at people, but at the same time it allows you to make a lot of different types of can't. Which I'm sure is thoroughly creatively satisfying. Absolutely that's well put That is the game out. Yet it's coming out in the next: it's tough with apple.
If you don't you don't know yeah, you don't know you what, basically you submit your game and then they they put it in the in the system and then it pops out from you know a few weeks to apple. Doesn't apple really doesn't give a crap about anyone like they could. You would think they would park, you know kind of a big band. Maybe you could run that down the pipeline faster, but I always say, like Apple was, like the high cheerleader who won't you, but your carrier books anyway. You know, I think the matter like everything I own is apple and they've. Never give me anything, and you really can you have this this thing. Well, I have to say I mean we have a good relationship with apple. They have given the things they have. They have. I got. I got a bunch of software from them and then they don't give hardware, though, and I'll give you hardware, but they'll give you software. If you're in Lincoln Park, let's fix it Can I see a melodica player, is like a thorough.
No, no. No, it operates like operates like a similar prince accordion you, but you blow into it so keyboard that you blow into any kind of sound looters. I know what that is: yeah and the Hooters. That is, you know that that's a that's a slang! I was saying. You know if you're ever in Philadelphia, and you go to that. If you go to that hard rock candy, it's funny that you wouldn't want to join Lincoln Park just to join Lincoln Park, but you would want to join Lincoln Park to get free apple shit. I would want to do well. It is it's twofold. I want to join Linkin Park to bring you the melodic, a flair that I feel like you guys so desperately need, and we do and then at the same time decide bed. If it is that I get apple stuff, I feel like. If you heard the new music you would actually go. Oh melodical would probably really this is funny. You know we mention that I'm doing the marketing thing meetings later today, that's basically We are in a position right now with the band. We need to be talking about like how, How do we communicate
for our fans at this point in our career, where we basically put out an album last? and we put, it was meant to midnight two thousand and seven we've been. Then we haven't put out an album really of new music since then, and r music, is the new music is very different. It's not like hybrid theory and Meteora. It's not like minutes to midnight; Rick, Rubin and I are producing, the band has been really prolific. We've written That's great! I mean this is really different, stuff stuff I really like, and we are looking it's were looking. At this point in our career, where you know it's going to speak your pandora when I was talking to tim- it gonna necessarily fit well on the old Lincoln Park Channel. So the algorithm that's going to have to change. That's what I that's what I was asking him, I don't we don't a fake it at all. I mean I I I told him when I first talked, I said we're not going to I'm not caught
talking to you, because I want to cheat the system right, I'm talking too, because I think that the the music sound is different and if I don't know I just sounds, and I don't know what it sounds like. In fact, I don't know what other bands that even sounds like, so you guys are masters of the genres and the music genome thing. Like you tell me what I have to look at what I have to do to like figure out how this fits into today's world. Like does it just sit on its own, or should I actually make F just to like go into certain channels and say hey? What do you think of this? Does this sound crazy to this real get to the bands that you listen to go to the old Linkin Park, fans and say what do you think of this? You guys hate us now beta testing, you know but it's you have to go outside of what you normally would do as a band. Normally you just go out and play shows and be like cool here's, the new music, but we have there opportunities like that we can do it online and we can beta test to a certain degree and find out. You know what do people think
listen and are we finding new fans elsewhere like outside of the normal circle like if you want to and if you like, hybrid theory, come to the show we still play hybrid theory, music right. If you don't like the new stuff, then just from the show will play hybrid theory, and that must be. It must be that it's probably an interesting challenge, especially as a musician where you so, I'm sure there's an expectation of some fans just want to hear the same. Sound because there's like there's a thing they focus in on. But then you have You know you obviously want to keep evolving and that's the only way you can survive. You can't you can't make you know you can't just keep making the same. Sounds sound. So it's kind of scary. When you, you know each time you do another out when you feel like a little bit different in these ways are like this case. We feel like it's totally different. Is it is it? Is it and you get anxious about it? Yeah yeah. I think I mean right now. I'm kind of kind of already gotten through that point, but there was a point when I was pretty much scared to death about like the fact that it sounded so different. But as long as for Maine, I feel like if it's good,
Good, if I know it's good- and I know I really really like it- and I wouldn't change anything about it. Which is usually where you want to end up at the end of a record when he's like ironed out Kinks and it's like it's it's right right, then you can at least stand behind and say: ok, I wouldn't change anything and if anybody else doesn't like it, then you know where it's not like hope in our last record knock on wood. You know we're going to keep making records and it may keep changing and you may like, this one and not like the next. You may love this one. You may hate this one and you love the next one. I mean who knows um regard, This are the perfect world, for us is where you know a lot of the old fans. Go that's really different, but it's. Linkin Park, and I love it and then people other people who you know here the stuff go. That does sound new and different, and I like that about it, and I like what it is. That's where I remember it is one of one of my
we kind of band evolution. Tracks is smashing pumpkins I mean they just for they just went from this kind of in the sort of band too. You know the organs like weird gothic uncle fester, phase of druid, capes and shaved heads, and so I think it was the album after melancholy, which was like a really heavy album. I think the album after that didn't do as well and I heard him on stern. You could here. The bitterness in his voice was just like yeah. The fans did not. Portis on this album, which I don't think you should say out loud, find to think that. But may have been the case? Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure you know sharing his mind. He was like fuck, you guys. You know we try to do something totally. Just read something in rolling stone E at a piece that a piece on him and he he had a little bit of that still he had a little bit of his like the comment. What and I'm butchering the words, but it was something to be effective. Like uh,
I haven't gotten my just desserts, like I mean like we may and he's not wrong. It's almost like a Connie, W kind of thing to say, like. I made music that influenced not just fan is in the direction of alternative music, but I influenced other muse Russians who then copied it and did other things that were like it, Ain got and sold records, etc. Yeah and there's a bitterness in that like I've, met a lot of bands and a lot of artists who I've been in those shoes, and it's it's a hard thing to for any uh still like deal with. I agree MIKE because I influenced a lot of white sarcastic television hosts with my work on MTV singled out, and I have not gotten my just desserts influencing a generation of smokey white guys. It was fun is it is with web soup started. People were like you just rip Joe Mchale. I'm like look, I love Joel I've been
posting shows a decade longer like I have been a snarky white guy on television as long as a lot of today's powerful consumers have been alive. It's awesome, but it's funny I mean, but still like you shouldn't, feel, like you shouldn't, say that stuff out loud, I was kidding about the influencing the snarky white guy host by the way I don't get emails from people like you fuck human yeah. This is this. Coming from the same guy, who just who sent me an email and like before you sign your name, you always write something fucking insane and last one was instead of like best or thanks. It was boobs
so yeah, I don't I'm sure you don't even know what you're right, you're right, the same one all day, whatever whatever I just, never know what to say at the end of it. Like I never knows. I never know what the good the good exit word is. Apparently it's sometimes a good exit. Word is Excelsior Excelsior, my favorite one, sometimes it'll be winners. I don't know I just what any any whatever words of the far right on my head. I hope the people listen, your podcast, don't start ripping that off. It's really sad! That's another thing! You know you're the view that you would have been the father of this thing and also in everybody's doing it I'm starting getting emails from everybody else of boobs Excelsior and then it's like. I know where that came. I would love to see that meme develop well. Hopefully the girl Scouts of America will start signing off their emails with boobs thin mints boobs to be so, someday someday.
Why did I get an email that signed pencil erasers? Oh, it's from the girl Scouts of America Why am I being led away in handcuffs? I wanted to ask you: sing a time we are running out of time a little bit, but I I'm I still I'm I'm basically late for an attack of the show table read, but I want to be late for it because I was really worried. We've never really talked. I mean we've emailed back and forth. I didn't have Jonah Ray here Matt here and you know, usually it's helpful to have a couple of people just to keep the conversation going, but I really love talking to you so much about this stuff and I feel like we could nerd out about about about this for our, but there's a couple more things that I want to before before we look but what's your like? Did you sort? productivity regime that you follow it do you have a like a a to it is our to do list or is there calendar like? What's your, how do you keep everything you know with all of your different things? You got
on how do you put on Channel four hour work week by ten fair? I know TIM very well. Actually, yeah yeah, I'm in tech world is such as you know. Do you know TIM World yeah he's a great guy. I really liked him TIM's great and his book is it was a really it was inspiring to me. I felt like if you look at kind of trajectory of Lincoln Park, you can tell that we were kind of like biting off more than we can chew in a lot of cases like back in five years ago and we had a marketing label and we our company, we had a record label and we were doing projects with other bands and remixes and live stuff, and all this junk right and the fans were funny 'cause like just you know, there's a little noise in the background of like fans on the message boards and whatever going like
can you guys just like make albums those, because we really want those two things more than anything else, that's the danger you get caught up in some of the other things that you know forget like. Oh wait. Here's the main thing I I'm I'm yeah, but it's also like it's the main thing that I mean in their opinion, and I I I we're lucky if this is true, that, we're good at. If that is truly the thing that we're best at which I hope it is, then we should be doing it an ice, so I have like, as far as productivity, I have tried to so things in a little bit and make my daily schedule more about that. You know the I basically try and do five days a week instead of seven, and I do some other things to get my head straight. You know just like social stuff and I have like season tickets to the Lakers stuff to like it might head out of that the music,
because I actually find it when I come back and start working again. I'm super fresh- and I have thought of you- know in the car going somewhere else to do something else, I'm relaxed and rush and I'm with the ideas pop into my head and then they can kind of sit, and I can let them marinate and then I show up in the studio. I've had some time to think about the thing I'm going to do and I have some perspective. I can sit down on the song and make something that hopefully is better. We also are in a culture of freelancers and basically what you and I do is very similar to freelancing when you know when, because you can get up in the night and write songs or do you know or or or or paint or something, and so it's finding ways to separate the the idea that you know your workspaces three from your bed, you know offensively so I mean yeah. I do have a studio at my house that I can we make. We actually do a lot of our music at my house an and at the other guys, and so it is. It literally is like you what could walk down the hall and do some writing and that's very tempting it is but
Do you use? Are you in I cal guy or you are you I am on. I am on on MAC and I do have an assistant and we we, Things organized with I cal and, like he helps me keep my my schedule from becoming a total wreck. Which is you know. It involves family, stuff and stuff like that too. So that's that's what I do if not for phone, I think I would. I don't have a great memory for, for you know, places to be at what time blah blah and peoples you know I would just be. If I didn't have, I didn't have my phone with I cal and like, and then things as I have you know taking program. I use Evernote as a guide me to me too, because it you know things up on all the different platforms between your unit. Yes desktop web portal. And you know what I do I put. I have a. I have a a note
It is called restaurants and hotels. I have a note called yes, I have a note called movies and you take. I take pictures of food constantly. I look like an asshole in restaurants like like, like the food like I'm doing so you have to be out a lot. I the guy who's gonna, like blog what he ate. I don't know I don't you know I don't I'm not. I don't. I don't force that down people's throats, but I I take I'd, take Evernote, still shots of food this is a really great turkey, burger that I had in Minneapolis, and I want to remember this place and so I'm the guide. If you see me in a restaurant in other city, I'm probably I am about to or have taken a picture of my food if it was, it was bad that you take a picture. No, if it's It's obviously no. I won't 'cause I'll forget about it, but I'm fighting. If this phone didn't organize my life, I would literally just sit in my driveway and sob because I would know was posed to be like. I know it will be doing something. I don't know what it is. Do I do the same thing? Can you comment at all on the Chris Anderson up wired
did you guys meet up which we spoke about a bunch we haven't met in person. Yet I love Chris is books and he's, he's he's an inspiring guy he's a guy with you know. He's just a guy with great ideas and in a and a and see this what seems to me to be a great way of organizing them and so just to get to be able to have that work, that mental organization of big ideas and and to be able to have that kind of perspective is, is real, is special, and so, when I I was reading free his, which I got for free like it was incredible, I was like I was on the Kindle Bookstore and I, Liz and I saw his name and I was like. Oh you know, I read a long tail wrong long tail, and he his name came up and I saw free and I'm like well, that's cool check that out like
I'll get around to it, but then I saw that it was actually free and I'm like ok now that genius that is just like putting your money where your mouth is. You know what I mean, and I can't in respect it more. I got it started reading it right away. I was just I've been thrilled about like the ideas in there. Even though they're not a lot stuff in the book is actually funny because it's just like bashing the music industry he doesn't mean to, but it's alright, it's basically just highlighting all the reasons- the music industry as itself right, which I anti. I totally agree with pretty much ninety nine percent of it. It's good to be fair. It's pretty much every entertainment sector it it's not necessarily I shouldn't say they fuck themselves. 'cause they were on a ship that was doomed doomed vessel. That can I mean you: can you can bucket the water overboard as much as you want, but that is going to be here's a good example for people who don't know how the music industry works. My friends were at a label in the nineties and
one year they all got these CD clock radios for Christmas, then, on their next expense statement, the label expel them for the presents that they didn ask for, like that's classic music label shit, you know, and what else is the other part? That's really funny is that they have a great way of hiding that rough and hiding the money that they take from art, we've made the money back. Yet you guys will know it's all behind the giants. Like the wizard of OZ, like it's behind a giant curtain and they'll, never tell you, I mean literally, they will never. They have never in the history of the music industry had to take that information public and people, don't know it, because nobody will say it because it's it's information about how they make their money is not public information. So the the fact that right now, where they're at is that they say and with that model and they had the the
foothold on that industry, and basically you could say we just talked this the other day. You know you could say, oh well, I don't believe in that that's bullshit. They labels shouldn't be able to take that much money from an artist. And so that's I'm taking a stand and, like you know, so what you do, though you can't do any if you're an unsigned band, don't have the things that the label can actually do well, which, promote your album worldwide and get you the kind of push that takes you to that next superstar level, they're. The only way to do that, so to some degree they deserve that money. You know it not that they don't deserve it like they do some really important stuff to deserve that money. But it's, but it's in weird it's in this weird cloud that you can't like RAP wrap your head around and they won't. Let you look at it to be able to and part and part of that part of that argument with the classic record label structure was how the fuck else going to get your, record in a store, and
but now it's like, I don't need to there, aren't as many stories anymore. I work with I work with some friends of mine or any group called get busy committee and get the committee has inner in rough terms sold about ten thousand records on their own. I read, I know what I read this blog post by the way and that they use this great website called Kickstarter. They have an awesome awesome program. Going is a Kickstarter Kickstarter Kickstarter. They have an awesome program. They just added two things: okay, so here's a look get the committee they were on a date of Rio from get busy was in a group that was signed to a wee wee help get them on Warner and it fell apart and he was miserable and Warner didn't want to do anything with them and long story short. They all parted ways, luckily lucky for Warner, an lucky for them, because they're not going to sell ten million copies. So that's going to be bad for Warner and they're, not install ten million copies and if Warner is taking a big chunk of the money they would make from there ten thousand records, then that would be bad for the band. Ok, so with all that
they're better off in D, so they went indeed Ian Rogers and I help out with the ban and top spin and they do if they're, basically doing a project fundraiser on Kickstarter, where if they raised three thousand dollars, though everybody who participates in and that's the way Kickstarter works than if they can raise them them the amount of and the project goes through and here's what the project is. It's a it's platinum record plaques, essentially the record that actually has music on it and for one person who donates one thousand dollars. Well. Actually let me get to that. Ok, I'm going to lead you up to it for people who donate like twenty five bucks or fifty bucks or whatever the lower levels. Are you get a signed copy of it? You get a plaque. There's some new stuff on there that just showed up the last twenty four hours, where Scoop Deville, who is there producer who also produced tracks for fat, Joe and Snoop Dogg, and some other great artists. If you don't,
I think it's seven hundred and fifty dollars you get to go in the studio with ham and the group. Oh wow, that's cool right, you basically get I mean you couldn't never buy that you can't buy that and you're going to be able to buy it for seven hundred dollars. It's incredible. For somebody who's, especially for somebody who's into an engineering or hip hop production like you can go to go to the Is it going to get busy committee dot com right now and you can, you know, find out how to get that and you'll get like like you just buy and it funds the project, but but the one thousand dollars mark was. If you donate one thousand dollars to the project, they will record a song about You holy shit and put it on the record. That's genius and somebody bought it like within hours likes this guy. I don't know what he does. I don't know who he is. I think he even has like a pseudonym like this. Like this flashing. Nickname There are great with this goes through. We've actually got to write a song about that. Do and put it on the record. That's amazing, and also you know the side
going to. That is what a much better way to connect with your fans and really create hardcore friends fans, because you're really making them a part of your community, so Kickstarter whoa what I realized. What I because I went on to Kickstarter and it's if you have any kind of project they will. They will create a platform to help you raise money for it, which is phenomenal to great so much better than just Paypal. Donate God. Can you imagine if we had, I mean for all the people who there, are in these little garage bands right now. You know trying to play shows trying to buy gear like that is awesome way to. If you can, if you can put up a couple, songs and say: hey, listen, you know we made these songs and we can't afford to buy a new guitar rig r guitar in order to play any shows in the LA area we live in LA we want to play some shows, but we can't 'cause. We don't have a rig that we can play on and we need five hundred dollars. So, if you like our music, don't do it and then they can actually make that happen. Make that it's amazing? It's so it's incredible my buddy Paula Tompkins, who is a comedian,
the challenge for any perform. Who does live shows is it's a sin. Formula but a difficult formula: if you can get people in seats, you can go perform places. So, as comics we Always get people going, you know come the Toledo come to here. Come to there and someone said someone sent Paul an email and said: come the Toron toe, so Paul said great. You bring people together to buy tickets and I will perform for you, so this guy took it upon himself. He started a facebook group got at the three hundred people. I think it was even more than that. Pre sold the show and then Paul went and did it like it was. It was the most perfect genius way that you know like yeah yeah set up the show, and then you go do you know like rather than Morphe it's more efficient, it's more effect rather than getting the venue and then going hey. I hope people show to this right. You know like what I mean. We don't know. If people are the heart and gets I mean I get on my
website alone, we get comments every single time I post anything. I get like a whole bunch of comments. When are you coming to Rio D Janeiro? When are you coming to South America? What is South Africa and it's like well when we know that we can go play a show there and sell the tickets right, and I actually told them this month on one- poseiden? Do these response to comments posts an I told them look if used repetition and you have let's say ten that you've got to put ten thousand names on it, you can't cheat it and they have to be a trackable. They have to be real names, real people with real addresses whatever, and you can show that to the rock concert promoter in in South Africa will come play. If that's what you need to do, because those guys, the only reason they're not setting up the park, show out there, because they don't think that
they're not sure if the people will come right and that's and that's which is ultimately all that's exact. That's all you need. You just need to know. The people that I need to know is that the people show up so for, like a for number, ten thousand for Chris Hardwick, you could start a facebook group. Five hundred I'll say five hundred will be fine. I don't know if I told him ten or fifteen or thirty, full band like it's, so it's so much. It's so much fun to just so I do sometimes. I have apple side, comedy band Jackson. One of them is a we do and you know we do video and there's no instruments and when we're setting up it's just like fuck with stand. We could just walk up to him. I can tell jokes like when you guys you have a set up like you have to travel with uh with so it's so complicated. I walk up to a MIKE, and I'm like dicks are weird and I leave five minutes of that. Don't get me wrong. Vaginas are weird too and then there's farts and air travel, but but
Being just the idea that you know you can connect with people and they're literally a part of it. They are part of your building process. I mean that even Fan, I would be completely gratified by that yeah, if you, if you knew you set it up like you made it happen, I think the theme this podcast so far has been go for it, which isn't, because I'm going to end the podcast with a song. I have a a sideband, that's an 80s, glam metal band called sniper. An and we wrote you know we have a source standard battery of songs, Beaver Hunt. I want your cans, you know, but it's similar to stuff that steel Panther does, but we, what we've decided to do is write the song that that that sort of see the demise of the band, so the I is the lead singer. This band starts fucking an actress and she does a shitty 80s movie that we figure it was probably about an aerobics competition that was another week of it, and so
is this song. Is the title track to go for it from this fake movie for this, for this fake band and I think, just kind of wraps up the The I mean, wouldn't you say this is going to go for it podcast. Definitely I think if we can set up, you know you have a little picture, podcast could we do? One of those like inspirational pictures with like that, has image and then the little title and then little like yeah yes, yes, we can do. We can do one of those inspirational posters. We should do one of those for if, if, if we can get someone to take a picture of us, we could do something and make a poster of ourselves. I think that's good and put on there. That was a really good. What makes it thank you so much for taking the time to come out today. You want any of these if they meant to take. I do alone, one more and you know for good to go Lincoln Park. Dot com go to MIKE Shinoda dot com. Can I take, can I say one more yeah, hello, everyone real? We haven't talked about this at all, but I know that you probably have some people.
Listening who have some philanthropic interests. Yes, we actually the thing that we're doing right now is a an online album to benefit Haiti. It is on music for relief, dot, Org and the out it's called download to donate and it's got songs by Dave, Matthews Band, Alanis Morsette, let's see crystal method. Linkin park can lupe fiasco, I'm forgetting a whole bunch of but they're all there they're all great. They gave the songs for free and you can have them for free and then, if you want you can donate, you can embed that the witch on your facebook, whatever block whatever it is so please just go check that out real, quick and, if you like it and if you want the album and if you want to donate that, would be that salsa music for relief, dot, org music, better before fof or relief. That's f!
or are e so there's two hours in a row. We want to put one hour for some reason. I know what that's about musicfairly, dot, org and yeah. Thanks awesome thanks MIKE Shinoda cool If you want to send email to graduate or complain, I shouldn't tell people complain. I feel like the internet knows that you can write too podcast at Nerdist dot com thanks for listening! Sorry, you weren't, here Joan, are met. You missed! the time and that thing you mentioned about the Dave Matthews Band or Matt. Is it like a big Dave, Matthews band Fanatic, so pill like that? Right, I'm stopping this now You also have to figure out a way to to give away the book the second book Oh yeah, I'll, give away the second book on a guy with the second book. When I, when I drop when I drafted the podcast, they give it away on twitter or, as part of the as part of the post. That's what I'll do you know what it will do? Uh
you and I will take a picture. This is going to be amazing. You and I will take some sort of a picture. I will post it with the blog with a blog post about this podcast episode and then whoever can make the best poster out. That with the caption and everything will get the book there, you go Ok, so so that that good at the internet, hey tells me right. I've had some practice at the internet.
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