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anything, but it was a real honor to actually met him the day before when they both did attack of the show and they're. Both amazing, I could have talked to pen on this podcast for another five hours, but we didn't. We don't do five hour long pod, so I'm going to shut up now. So you can listen this episode, but it was tremendous honor, as certainly as one of my influences when I was growing up. The nurse guess number one. Thirty, with Penn Jillette now entering nearest star com

I guess so. Don't use gas I never looked at a firing mechanism. There's there's a silence. Anna, we there's a silencer, that's fine! is a cold war era studio. So there are a lot of devices that can murder you we've already recording. We can launch a soil use capitalism like the results of those guys given down, which guys vs ways.

They are they haven't, they haven't escaped. They can get out. Have you already? We just got back in from Mars. Would you read it yes, or that makes you hate life? Doesn't it it does it does? You know, there's another book to that Michael columns wrote the guy who was in there, because I would just drove around the parking lot with the other guys, my personal favorite astronaut when they got the awards. You know when I got the awards. They always thought would be great. If you know if Neil Neil was what he had only just state the parties have got, you just started honour. What I love about, what I love about Collins is is that he went away for training where they were when they were giving the training the Lamb and all the training to go down on the events have yet the lamp then have a role. Benevolent our course when they went around to have their training on how they're doing all this they took him off by himself and what they were training him was to fly back.

Well. What did you do that? I like nothing. I pointed out to me about stuff You know you guys just keep making chip shots over their private risk able to get my class home if you care I like, if you can't do that. Michael Collins is such a he's. My favorite astronaut he's sure he's down to earth, but weirdly astronaut down to earth. Have you met him? I've never met personally, but I guess you could data. I would like to publicly wins the Mccain username card. I go back to where you live a day, cod in Florida. Ok, we just cross the line that says it unnecessary to book about matters on Google maps and just stares at what how Street street view I wish the truck was go five, more rational and maybe about giving paper. It is boxers man, that's what you didn't write a bond with Amino Milon angle, stand with the drive for you. What island was his family helping family

he's got to wreak kids and they must be adult Joanna Adult children. Obviously, using adult children live after national support environmental core. Who does what do they do? I dont know hand I dont man doesn't file. I dont know what I mean. I'm a collector of song, poems really what's wrong homes are no idea, song palms, you gotta, is a lot of websites, but I'm one of the big collectors along with one of the guys in diva when the girls you have you ever seen and I'm sure is all below all of you, but in that Cheesy magazines. National inquiry should have night there's ads in the back. Could you be a songwriter now these are less prevalent now than they were like in the Sixtys and Seventys. But if this can you be a song when send a sample of your poetry? If you send a sample of the poetry to them, you will get a letter back that says: yes, you just to we're looking for it to be a songwriter and we write music. So if you send us your palms, we

put it to music and recorded demo would set it to Hollywood. New can make money. This will cost you two hundred dollar document around this. Yes, yes them off the charter's. Yet the documentaries is good, but that the actual stuff is deeper in richer and more important for you, ve got these go back to the war day spot you say, pen, civil war days, there was no recording them then there were no recordings in civil war days, of course, That's what I like. What they put it they would put box was publishing was vanity publishing. Let them make started writing sheet music that would have your lira, saw the man and then with recording. It goes full bug, nutty and a guy Tommy Ardolino, who is the drummer for what was the best live band seventies. Eighties, not just my opinion. Actual fact, arabic, you know get over the big. You he's a big refer, collector no vote

and in the in the 70s and 80s he would go to record stores and find these these disks. That would say America's hot songwriters. What they would do is these guys would record these songs. Then they would press ten or twenty of the records and they would send the records to each one of the people to pay. The two hundred dollars to say record were making of of of of your Holy Shaw, were sending this out to Hollywood, and then they would have occasionally records wouldn't would come back and they would end up in a record store bargain bin. So Tommy hardly know started collecting them Mark Mothersbaugh of Devo, and so why I have a collection of about two hundred of these records. If you go someplace just look up song poems, you can find them and they are stunning because they are most of them are about just God.

Jesus you're, totally uninterested bending of any about more about. I was, but rarely love which which have some some reality to them. But some of them are about subjects that somebody cared about and nobody else did, but they send the poem too cynical musicians. Nabil musicians would write these charts out and then bang out course now they're done by one person on a computer A little less interesting leads to cover the video to, but of the seventies ass when, when it's still costs money to print press, something when used, who had lied, musicians of sweet spot where they would bring in a ban on me like ten guys and they would cite reaches red down a chart while these, fingers me sing these impossible lira, whom I tunes they'd written and they would right we'll charts and you know, you'd have like junkie jazz musicians who would be in Boston.

A lot of Norway who needed a gig. You know forty dollars a day to the by the by the junk right, so they would do this. You sometimes have guys that you go that guys, like is going to trouble. A perfect ecosystem of sadness and on all, except what you give there's some beauty, and there are some beauty that way. You know how you, edit, when you get an idea for something you're starting to write something in your first ideas, pure and then, as soon as you start writing it down. You start fixing it and other people start fixing it by the time you get to a song, that's actually on the Aren't you a J genre, something he's got off those lyrics zillion times and so is the producer, and so is everyone else, and sometimes they hold on to the kernel and sometimes they lose it. But these have this kind of raw passion, and I remember the first time I heard about them was a dishwasher that

work with an older fellow by older. I mean younger than me, but I was a child. He would talk to me about song sheet. Me was a user is using obese ball. Man who was you, know, borderline mentally competent and had a job as a dishwasher, but he saved up his money and to give you an idea, it was like two hundred dollars, but they were payment plans. Over a year ago my father died and he would give his songs done and I never heard his songs, but he still in my heart- and I think about you know I have these. I guess I have about one hundred and fifty albums and I have this stuff on it, and this is all going to tell you and I'm going to follow the rules of conversation. Don't you worry and there's one song that sticks in my heart, that is called footprints on I very about a single loaded. Please footprints footprints footprints, Prince footprints on the moon, the home would like Neil Buzz and liked to come again,

soon view both might move like you that there is the problem. Of course the need that might never walked in the bone. News with you will feel that way. We just keep in the car and do you have? Can you send us that we can put it at the end of the podcast for the other? Do you believe if you go to there's just finding a guy named Phil Milstein? Ok, we do a search for so Phil Milstein and Song Poems archive. Ok, you can find footprints on the moon. You could also find a song called Jimmy Carter.

Yes, there's a lot of stuff about president's is one that says starts out the lyrics, our God in his infinite wisdom, put Richard Nixon on this earth. She, while also in terms of unintended irony Jimmy Carter, says yes has the lyrics. Can the government be competent? Jimmy Carter says yeah artists, as can government be decent and open as 34th president. He has spoken. Yes, Jimmy Carter says yes, and then it has a burning trumpet solo, I think I use to use a blood and its distance, but there is also a warm Sancho disco, lady that disco lady. I love your sexy moves. Disco, lady. I love your bouncing boobs.

Disco, lady, and it goes on like that and this stuff happening with that entire song. I'm telling you when you listen to this stuff. What goes away you say sadness, but what goes away is cynicism. There's absolutely no cynicism, even though the musicians don't care at all about the music there's. This purity that comes over and I'll tell if you start listening to song poems when you turn on the radio when you turn on regular music, it'll sound, so over processed. You know, it'll be like with song poems shooting like vegetables and regular songs. The reading like processed flower. Now, that's interesting. You bring up an interesting point and something that I'm constantly fascinated by because we weren't here today about so none at all. I wanted was no longer limited one. Whenever you want. I want to talk about what you wanna talk about, but you bring up an interesting point which is because you ve, I know you started in the seventh,

so we started in companies, so you ve seen a few DEC, and so what I want to know is the I will refer to the eightys as pre irony, artistic air. Like it, we didn't really get cynicism and irony in our in our creative endeavors until the 90s I think, mid 90s, and now it's all irony. So, let's you ignore the ancient Greeks. I know you're, I read an american culture is not swim. No! No. I know that. I beg to differ, I mean in Amerika the album colleagues. I know there was irony invented before before you, the little man I know I know I am I mean in the contemporary in our country and our contemporary nuclear culture upon culture, David Letterman is the one who starts saying says nothing, he means ever, but you but you guys to. But you know that is not true. That is simply not true. Really there. The

word irony thanks to Alanis Morissette ruined ruined it has been it now sometimes being sad is sometimes means wrong and it sometimes means Smartas, but I have found in our career that for the most part, if you go through anything, I'm saying I am really speaking as honestly and directly from my heart is possible and I try to say that an inter listing way- and that sometimes gets it's seen as as irony or sarcasm, but my enemy, my enemy in the world is cynicism. I think there's very few things more evil and more unpleasant than in the system, and it's remarkable how, with all this cult of it all gets mushed together, cynicism, sarcasm irony. This whole cult of this our whole culture of this that you're not supposed to

what you mean saying what you mean is repeatedly powerful right. You know it's really powerful to do that. If you look at our show bullshit, you know very little of it. His arch very little of it, is with a wink yeah. Most of it ends up. If you take out the obscenity you take out the nudity, it is almost to the point of cloyingly Ernest I mean I would look at the scripts and go. Can we really get away with ending the show again be kind to each other, be honest and love each other. Can we really do that again, Yahoo and well, I guess we'll put in many much more obscenity. I will bring someone indicative the and no one will notice that what were essentially saying is shouldn't people tell the truth about the whole night

that our culture and you know bill Maher- will proudly call himself a cynic. He will. He will push for that, and it always makes me a little sad and it is true that song poems start giving a little bit. No, no, they should not popular. They start getting a little bit known at the end of the 80s. Some of the compilations come out in place very strongly into your point, because it's something that the hipsters try to he has removed, but they think it shocked by it, because if you try to listen to this, I mean you you'll go to the website. You have. Finally, and as you try to listen this stuff, your first feeling is: you have all the tools you know how to make fun of this. You know how to laugh this off. You know how to make your comments that would be appropriate for your culture,

and then you listen to like five of them and you will at least for me. You say to yourself: I like the person who wrote these lyrics more than I like myself, because they have a direct connection to something they care about yeah, just the fact that somebody can love Richard Nixon, that simply it is easily laughable, but also has a beauty underneath it, and I have this there's a great picture. You'll find that on the song poems website of Jimmy

Carter. Listening to Jimmy Carter, says yeah that must have blown that fuckin' persons mind out of the water, and you can't find these people now people that wrote this so there's several compilations and just buy him. You know it's twenty dollars whenever several couple and most of the compilations are from my collection, yeah people pulled the stuff out and it says on the record. You know if you wrote this song get in touch with us and we'll pay you the royalties. You know, because you don't know who wrote it and there's stuff by a guy named I gags, oh, but different, gags gashes, guy you're thinking of his these anti Geiger Guide exit, but as far as I know, not relate ok, there's gonna died actual in an institution who wrote stuff that even grammatically is insane and unable to remembered and the men of metaphors and the and the there are used. Are this heartfelt stuff that would never give by any editor- and I don't know when you were-

which plan nine. From outer space, when you watch Deadwood, there's some people that just watch it. This is the worst movie ever, but those people are fine. Great traffic is the worst movie ever. I guess they never saw Manhattan, nobody knows about it, but then there is another way to watch play a knife from outer space which is listening to that pre edit dialogue. That first speech is exactly the way stuff comes out before you for somebody else. You know before you lay something out it's just. It's just has this kind of purity and I find plan nine from outer space to have a kind of honesty that just often gets trampled with slick this you know it's not competently done, but if I have a choice of seeing a glimpse of someones heart, even on talented person, I take that over.

So that's just designed in order to sell that selecting that yeah, I was always fascinated by Brian Wilson's uh, my favorite vegetable song, like wow. He really just loves those vegetables. Brian Wilson is a really good example of the two sides of that. In one person I mean he is readily talented orchestra, the writer and then incredible simple in either from from acid damage, or these could be his father hitting when they had brain damage term. You don't really know rang, but there that there is something it's not operating in all cylinders. So you get that you get the very it's exactly the right example to use a very combination of very sophisticated. You know if you listen to good vibrations

some of the most sophisticated pop music every done at that time. So incredible, coupled with lyrics, I love the colorful clothes she wears yeah, I mean that's, that's these choosing love the color. You got this beautiful, melodic line he's got the fake ferryman playing he's. Had this kind of kind of up orchestra of power- behind and harmonies that are mine blowing, and then he singing, I think the colorful clothes she wears and the where the sunlight sparkles in her hair. I mean it's really that is a twelve year old girl do shining brightly board between them and the free design who also just wrote about who I could never figure out if they were the most sarcastic ban, nor are the least sarcasm video format with redesign give. So you know, like the song kites, are fun.

Literally just about how they think kites are fun, and we really see that I mean, if you're going to do your whole cultural bulshit thing here about irony. You have to bring in ok, go Yescas, ok, go the mission statement, That band is no irony and you can talk to Damian about this for hours, and you will tell you we will not do anything. We see as ironic, which is why that dance, video I am the treadmill video whence I believe, went so crazy. Is the idea of somebody doing a video of their song that isn't smirking in its constantly smirking they just kind of do that they just kind of stand there, and there is such that there is such a that such a human beauty, and that that it is great. I think that I like to think that we're moving away from

that everything has to be smart. Now, friend, ok go or were really the pioneers of their great. I ve been on the palm cast than they really do, and also just watching the community of people there, behind them to help them make these these. Really there not just videos there, like the art installation, locate within what they ve done. Is they ve taken? I mean they ve, taken the power away from the editors and given back to the performers right. What you do with MTV old MTV in the eighties is you take there's no performance whatsoever that come in style has put some clothes. They jump around for two hours than an editor, puts it like the reality shows. No, no one puts you shoot people for a long time, post production and the editors put it all together, but they would there shod with his exceptions, but pretty

is there one shot they actually perform like a vaudeville groom, they learn the song, they do the song in front of the audience and it gives the power back to the artist I mean we we've got real real excited about editing, 'cause, that it got so cheap and now everybody can edit anything on their computer, and now you know everybody can do it. So now, editing is a little less cool and maybe we can start doing. I mean one of the things we talked about. We were doing. Are our new? Our discovery show patent telling tell a lie. We started doing that. One of the things I wanted to do even know it's just a science show, with China, with jobs and of the big gag being until this fact is, we pushed really hard. Can we do this life

and it was just this insane. Why would you want to do this? Show live what's important about it being lied, and I said just so: people feel like we're there and talking to them and that segment three has something to do with segment. One like we're in the room, and can we do a single take on things and just move on? I don't want it to be cut all over the place. Can we just talk to the magic gets lost two when people has everyone just assumes like everything's gonna going to get cut up and sew, we can do things live or if you actually hear a band perform live and they sound amazing. It's a whole other level of respect he's like oh. Actually, they actually have skill that involves just art and they don't need another guy, and also when, when when people talk, I mean just hearing people talk about stuff, they feel in their heart is very, very compelling you don't

feed, you know to turn the whole shot around and do cuts all over the place if you've actually got content. People really react to that and I think that people that don't have anything to say insult their audience by going will just keep things moving and they won't notice you're, not working for canaries for people now. What do you think has happened with us Culturale? Where, because I feel like I mean you know or shall we tend to be, I mean I try to pretend to be possible. Thanks 'cause, I feel like hey. Not everything is bleak. There's good things in the world. You don't have to shift on everything all the time, and yet I feel like. Sometimes it's not taken as seriously because people tend to take. You know people who are more negative

seriously like what that guy saying something real like no, it's, no more or less really what I'm saying he's just angry and negative, and I'm not well there's two things that have always been true throughout recorded history: one is the world is always getting better and two is people always think it's getting worse. There are exceptions to that. You know during war time where things will take a dip, but in the big picture in fifty year, chunks, there is less violence going on today in the world than any other time in history, even with Obama having five cotton five wars going on in our name, even with that appalling thing, even with people on death row in our country, even with the horrors that we're doing that are being done in our name that are inexcusable unforgivable. Bread world is better. There were fewer people starving in the world today than they a hundred years ago, and I don't mean that percentage wise fewer people, you doping, while because

the Green Revolution in the 60s, mostly in Borlaug, things really are giving better. So not only r r r, U right from a kind of artistic moral point of view, but you are also right from a scientific point of view. I mean yes, there are poor people in our country. There are people that are hungry in our country, but many fewer than they were under two years ago and we keep raising and we should- and nothing is wrong. We keep raising what we call poverty now, what we call poverty in the? U S today three hundred years ago, would have been roiled. Of course, I am not saying that that makes it ok. I'm just saying you should keep in mind things again prince. What are you saying? I was just walking by a shitty apparent building of a day, and I kind of in my head was shooting I like. Why would they build that the shit and then I actually had the thought? It's still achieve meant that we have buildings with indoor plumbing and they're. Just the fact that we get so satisfied so quickly with like well

is the status quo and in relation to other stuff that things a piece of ship but you're right. Two hundred years ago, Louis CK in amazing, his famous bit covered all that so beautifully, but the guy can the blame on the other by the forty five years ago, you couldn't even it Louis Louis. You came out homes. That idea was so important idea. Was it all? I would say to you, but you should be a part of a building Could you build one? No, but I believe that we're going to drop you right now in the middle of Montana. Here's some would, I guess, would be one I can't promise you live in it. It's just going to be a lean to on itself it yet, but it looks more like a foreigner rent. Affordable, though come on guys lot of stuff is perspective that I remember, like my first place, that I got on my own. Was this shity advocated house like. Need the freeway overpass, where I had to take a shower in a separate. Shack in the backyard. Oh go- and I remember just like this is pretty fuckin awesome. I'm pain, every doors,

This is bucking. It start button yeah, I fucking did it. I did it and then, like the next time, I got it wasn't what it means. Is he gonna blow them at all that there is no real cost them only twice is rent for there was any that outside the shower, Shack and sent here where they have to do it. They don't give him the money to the roof, go to lunch, JAG Poles in the floors. What was that asparagus, barely cultural society, spiritual gold society- was just parents tell her with a third person. Ok, we first started out. We add a third member. The group was a class commute mission- and we did credible, tell her- and I do, although the third them of our asparagus valley. Was a Lutheran, ok, so sceptical elements in the

these two elements of our of our show were we're not there. Now, when we. Finally, went up which is very early on we, we ended up bomb. We ended up having more sceptical elements in there, but it was very similar shall we ran in San Francisco for three years. I was you know in my 20s and we are we are. We did the show, It was a lot of fun. It was. It was nutty to have a show that I believe to be unbelievably, like your shack. Unbelievably successful. You know I could not believe I was making money doing exactly what I wanted to do. You know I did my dad was a jail guard. You know,

the idea that you could make money doing some that wasn't repulsive was still a brand new ideas that fuck with your head a little bit. Yeah lot created to beg my dad worked so hard to support his family later retired and became too Mr Test Coin dealer undone and much better than their despotic ass. We get there. I am going to like it, but the idea that that you could, in many people are facing this issue, not only can earn a living, but you can also earn a living doing something that you find fulfilling and satisfying, which I don't think there are many people who would say that being a jail guard is anything but a job. I don't I mean I I imagine, there's somebody somewhere that looks forward to going to work as a geo,

but I'm not sure I want to know that we did the Lagarde who worked with us at the funeral home and he desperately wanted to get to the funeral home really yeah. What do you do with the funeral? Was a funeral assistant, so I did pretty much everything, so you don't would be the cadavers yeah everybody I was. I was in dietary at the hospital, which meant I was a dishwasher dietary aide when I was in high school, who is the only place, would hire me with long hair, so I had to wear a hairnet and we had to clean out all the pots and pans and cleaned out all the dishwasher. And we also have a go. Women clean out the autopsy realm and you would pull the sink drain and they would be jib bullets, people driblets, add you'd, cutting, look doc into the trash and and give it the wash with your pamby and b and put it back in, and the people Gillette's that what's funny to me as like every time, if I, if I happened to walk, if I'm in a hospital, I haven't, you walk my morgue now the smell you give so hard.

What I miss the old days when I walk by a morgue is it drew near weird? Well, that's that you know. That's, that's! That's your mattawa! That's my words of things. Might that was professional bowler, and so I grew up in a bowling centre, and so, when I smell like lane oil, I get sleepy ferry I get sleepy because it feels covered in oil is the greatest collect you do. You're dead was what my dad was one of the greatest professional bowlers in the history of bowling. These naturally eyes in the hall of Fame seeds was the first to do a lot of stuff like heap. He was greeted with them. Gazing with the on tv, oh yeah, I will happily and a beer commercial yea. I was named after crush ankle, who was this the announcer and who was very close to my mom and my dad, and so I grew up on the proposed her with Dick Weber, Neural Anthony and my dad, whose name was Billy Hardwicke and like I we. That was why even Billy Hardwicke is like a name and even kind of trickled down into my mouth. Is that my dad yeah yeah yeah yeah? He was on tv in the sixty

he's, like he's sort of ruled and when there was when there was pressure, he could throw that big ball straight the line where he wanted it. Yeah with tv cameras, ottomans, yeah, yeah, yeah. All like perfect strike. Everybody bolder back to back three hundreds in Japan in front of like the emperor's net. That is all these really everywhere enough. He was there ever. It was wearing clothes, but he yeah he was his did. You take do take his little son onto her, yet I was under siblings. I didn't have siblings, he returned. When I was fairly bowling child. I was the only born child just christened the ball go, but it's funny because my day It is a sort of a man bowling sceptic in this, and I ended up writing an article four wired about it. Where he said, bowling's too easy

technology is hot, has made the sport allows me. I forgot that you have those I'll. Have you had it technologies made sport really simple, so I did some investigating and found out that, yes, the PBS actually conducted a survey and they they built a robot and they that, through thousands and thousands of balls, and they discovered that that technology has made the sport really way too easy how what what? What I'll just delays being even well the lane. First of all the lanes, our work anymore. One aims are delighted. We're talking about something I care about you. Do you really? Yes, ok. What do you think is going to happen? I thought we could talk about like pushing to show in the book is. Should we talk about those thought, I'm serious? Ok, so the cell lines are no longer made of wood there, basically just a synthetic material with a with a alive, our image show pictures of what your pictures of wood would grain, because it's easier maintain the bowling balls, the cover stock, that was boiling, they were just rubber balls and the cover stock now has its. This committee

as a material that has bits of glass in it's like this reactive residence and so what happens. The reason balls hook into the pocket so hard now is because the Glasgow, abs, the Leinan whips the ball into the pocket and reacts off the pins, and so they had to set up these rules. That said that the the glass particles in the cover stock has to be a certain distance apart from one another so that the game is you know too echoes the game used to be all about spares and and and and they'll strike. I do not like games. I do not like sports. I've never seen holes or even, although with Yemen, neither hadn't my games and one of the reasons why gave him sports is that the goals are so arbitrary. If you want those pins, down walked down. You know, I love competition, the real world. We want a curate's now there's a goal

but you know the within the game. I've always had trouble with that, but I love the fact that technology as is so people who ball three hundreds now nothing compared to your day, well no 'cause in this- in the I mean they might be, but but the odds are my dad's, I think, might when my dad was born the year and sixty eight, I think his height, the tour average. His high average is like two hundred and twelve, and now people are averaging two five thousand two hundred and sixty, and they can't we make spares because it later I gotta have a counterweight in the mail like you can have a weight in the ball like the core

is a middle. They always had. They always had some type of you could counterweight stuff. There are ways to drill drop waits into the ball. I mean that's it. I'm not. I'm gonna make a boiling point oriented about by now sign, but there I just get excited about it, because I never get to talk about it. One I have one bowling storing what is it? I have a friend who worked with us. He worked on our crew, you ve been friends as we were children out of high school and we were working at a great adventure amusement park majority. What's a big purposes to write, great adventure, and now I was juggler had he will offence her right.

If it rained the characters out of the street, couldn't couldn't Gus, we would. We would sometimes go bowling and he took bowling very seriously and I took bowling very not seriously and he was for the first time in his life is a real jockey guy. He was bowling a three hundred. He was bawling his probably the only perfect game of his life was right near the end of it. I'm not sure I may have morphed the story over the years who being his final frame. I've been the penultimate of the anti penultimate, but it was toward the end of all strikes more axes on that thing and he was bowling now we were, we were assholes

I already see where this is going and I already feel the pain. The pain gets more interesting in a way that you might not expect. He starts to bowl his ultimate penultimate, sorry, but ultimate frame, and he is focused and concentrated he's in the zone he's going to get the one perfect game of his life amazing, mainly as he brings the ball back and runs up. I go yeah you, mother, Fucker, slides, often hits one pair got even the gutter ball. It's one pay my stomach and there are people Lupin watching him cause it's perfect game. There's probably crowd for bowling alley, which is what fifteen people writing right, if that only afternoon rainy afternoon bowling and they're all watching, and he is an athletic guy and I'm a big guy. So they are ready for

excitement and he looks over at me and I look at him when we make eye contact with very good friends and he walks over to me- and he stands in front of me and is he walks or me and stands in front of me? I do something that everybody in the room thinks is odd, except for my friend I put my hands behind my back and I just hold my wrist behind my back and I just stand there and he reaches down I'm wearing shorts at the time and he grabs me by my ball, squeezes my balls and then takes his fist and hits me as hard as he can write in the solar plexus and I go with my hands. I go completely unconscious of his I've. Just been pebbles granite and been

right and left of it. So I go completely unconscious. Tat I crumble in his hands. You hold my boy you're completely out of that, and I don't know how long out they told me. I was out not log five seconds six seconds of crumbled on the floor. I give up, I go, he goes Are we go back over? Have a snack work will be since the seventies. He is in my employ years, all micro that we have Never thought about that lie on every word about everything that I'm sorry, I've ever seen well. Did you feel like we came out? Even it was just. It was just probably the definition of

what it's like to love an asshole yeah. You know he knows, he's an asshole he's not going to fight Maine he's not going to defend himself. I have to decide what I feel this moment was worth. They're worth it by now. You can't tell me that the end and a new art, but I think anyone else would have to agree that moment. Major friendships longer then, if he had bowled a perfect game which you would have given a shit about the idea of squeezing balls we remove hunching into so it's like how black holes form, like a choreographed, your hand, oh behind your back, his hands come out. I don't allow down and pen knew what was about to happen as the United behind his back I've, hit anyone in my life and anger. Am I'm up other pacifist further, So there was no no chance in that there was going to be a fight. He knew that about me, so he knew that he would.

Decide how much you going to hurt me and that I had already done the damage. I was going to do with it whatever he did. I mean imagine that situation whatever who do the someone there will be no retaliation The morality of this story is only on him. I mean he could have punched me in the face and broken my nose sure he could have picked up a ball and throw it into my head and come close to killing him, but his idea was. What did this feel like to make? Is that we have physical manifestation? He was feeling emotions like combo too. I like the idea that use, but he's working on issues like just a push in study now that I just installed on the balls? No, I really love. I really love pens. I really love pins reaction where it's just hey.

When I see all the paperwork is like, he knew that there was going to be an emotional caught. There was going to be a cost. There was going to be a payment to be made all that all that all have been samples really willing to find out now I'll get whatever, and I didn't know what it was going to be. You know I didn't know. I think if you'd asked me right, then it had frozen moment. I would probably have said I'm going to get punched in the face really hard right, I'm going to get punched in the face harder than ever been punched and ended up that once in his choice, expect that 'cause, if you were truly an asshole, what would have happened is you would have done that? and run away, and the fact is you did it. You knew there was gonna be, and you wanted there to be a balanced and fair trade, but it too not do not to buy all hoard too much he would have. I don't know why you do that wherever they able, then I b we cut to eight

later in mongolian ground would be one thing. I knew this old friend he's living in that apartment building. I felt Montana like Fuckin', no Raza cool, all the farm animals run away and my new bride Dodo bird start falling from the face of the baby daddy. Who is that this is an american thing, not understand it? It has to do with bowling, there's a record scratch, but no record player. When you I watched, I watched your revision three show and you told this the chimp and the little person store and as a reaction to it was because of Adam Savage, but I'm I'm the one who told Adam Savage on this very podcast and then that

he wrote out here what we use and I was so excited. I couldn't even tell you to hear the story from your mouth about the relationship of trust, our usual riddles miracles. I thought you were circus, I'm so none of that they said. No, that's, ok. Do I thought you were circus, I got you knew I did not. I did. It was astonishing thing. I've I've talked to two people were circus, but strange thing is everyone in circus knows this, but primate people I guess they don't have a lot of little people around right. They don't notice. Was there I bought the above, and it was- and I saw I thought of this story what I saw. The rise of the planet of the apes, because when they do the computer cartoon of of the of the monkey- and I know it's a chimpanzee

before the word monkey day- there very funded by the when they are called money right, but their monkeys and the first time that I was there and the I'll just tell very briefly what happened. I have parties at my house and then some of the parties are covered in the book like when I had a very fat naked Elvis urinating on people will singing love me. Tender was at the fat Elvis that performs at the Barbary Coast without a guy called Extreme Elvis Nord Stream Elvis Yugoslavia. Remember the stairs. I e G, Alan and Elvis put together now nice performance artist, but he can't get book. We work it's arrested, so you don't? You only play private parties. What asshole would have been a private party a better to let it have. You came out. It was. You know you're in aiding on my guess, we'll singly love be temporary and that we had an atheist baptism moves abuse. Remember all of this, and this is all the makes. A good is all done, stone, cold, sober.

I don't know how to drink that homer life never need recreational drunk. When I have a wild party with a and Elvis it's all sober people but other party I had was going to be by my girlfriend of time, really thought the chips were very, very cute quiet friend whether Chimp and I was have have chip over that a lot of friends over friend of Swimming Barbecue Party and my friend Arturo, who was a little person, not particularly small, but certainly under brought about three one, may two Arturo. What's his last name ever that guy solve the moment, oh wow, I drove wonderful me. Yes, great he's also originally mexican. We as it was really the story. So I'm going to have this part. I hadn't seen Arturo in awhile. He comes to our show, and afterwards he says I said a hydro. We having a party at my house

tomorrow. We want to combine oh yeah man. I love them any great, ok good, come by and then after he leaves my friend Michael Goudeau. Who is my co host on the radio? Show it also the writer writer on on Penn and teller, tell a lie. Kudo says: did you just invite a little person in a monkey to the same party when I said yeah, and he said I thought you were circus now I said: what do you mean he was? Did you work circus? I said yeah 'cause, you can't put a little person anywhere near a chimpanzee. They ripped him apart as a dominance thing. I should also What do I do is? Are we call em? I should call who is a call either the monkey writer. You know one of them, he had come to the party, but I go I'll call larger like, and I have one of the most comfortable conversations that my life because I go to remember. I was up

but the party to Marianna looking forward to a man can I bring you know my cousins and how could she could bear with me one problem. We have, as some people coming to the other was up. There might be no problems with anybody. Men talked anybody, you know most little, people? You know their assholes that can be fuckin' astros, but I'm cool with everybody and I get along with their talk to anybody. Man, I'm cool, I said I know you later when I love you will bring it to an animal trainer to this great men. You know when I worked in the Ringling Show man. I work with elephants that work with cats and what does he work with? Not elephants and not care? What does he work movement we as a chimpanzee? What fuck is wrong with people ripping apart people rip me apart? He will kill Maine. He will put the

can't be around them, they will kill me. I know why you say that. I'm saying we're going to be really careful when you've got that part and then act three of the sitcom and we returned so good. Oh, is there at Arturo? Is there an the monkey has not arrived and Michael Goudeau who's, a practical man of science. Man says to me we're going to put a chimpanzee in the little person in close proximity, and he said we don't really know what's going to happen, but it's not going to be good. We need to take kitchen knives and if it gets out of hand, you have to look me in the eye and tell Maine you are willing to stab a chimpanzee to death, to save a human being. Oh my god, I said he said, will get the five biggest guys

we're going to stand there and we will be holding knives and if we cannot subdue the champ and even the other way, we will need to kill it, and I go. A party is in danger of those are as well leave your pool open, I'm taking my phone and my wallet out of my pocket. Monkeys, hate water more than they hate little people. So if something goes bad, I will run as fast as I can and jump in the pool and try to stop the monkey from coming out of my GAD. Ok, ok, rather than just not come to the party yeah honey, it's a party pendules. I know Chris something had gone very wrong in our social structure. So I don't know what it is. You know it's kind of mass and say we had decided, it might have been. You haven't you ever.

I've been thinking the animal trade or you kid. That's where I understand that you didn't but went mad Jim, but a priority. I'd already goal is the tool that changes I diapers when I became get me a diet, coke and goes you make it. You die, ok, not a coca. He only thing you can't do is not show a little person, never mind, that's the only command you want to follow the code. I don't hurt a lot of those similar traits. Now you have a problem here. We have a lot of problem. Of course, one of the problems is that people don't seem to understand that certain things are Ok, dude, I'm not going to get into any argument about sexism. I don't know argument there, but the chimpanzee will also feel up women. They will try to finger women and if a woman tells them what to do, they also react very negatively the person that can tell them what to do. Is

biggest person the rope to the chimpanzee. I am a silver back and what I would say stop that he would stop immediately while, if a woman said stop bedroom and they also its great, if you have a chance of being a chip, take it because really attractive women at the party. Monkey which has reached down the shirt and just grab retaining its adorable all that funding and if they grab the handwriting stop on many gets mad. It's terrific

Socrates and the like that, like a pillar of Princeton Succour to end up, and so we have our turmoil in the way they courtyard is set up. Arter was their and our turtle has get people around him and we just kind of want the monkey to see our turn right and we have knives in areas like this kind of Lord of the flies thing we have taken a solemn oath, that we will stab a chip and for someone who is a pacifist, it is me this is horrible, but to save a little person ethical, ethical debates, the goal of a certainly, if you had what's his name from Peter Arrest, silver. What's the matter, I like the idea that there would be people to putting on hey those guys are taken the though the person side,

I think we have to band together and then there's two. The two factions at the party to gangs happened. Almost. We need to get knives to salt, my girlfriend at the time an attractive actor from LA is holding the chimp like it's her child's wearing a little diaper she's having it she's kind of sweet talking. The chip in the trainer is right there and the trainer is bonded to the chimp and my girlfriend is bonded and his holy and it's cuddly and it's sweet and it's great and now what happens here is that there's a dominance

that. The reason the chimpanzee doesn't kill everybody 'cause. They have more strength and someone my size even at eighty pounds is because there's a dominance, thing and they're smaller and aren't going to be able to vine at this kind of stuff. I'm talking about, should I don't really understand, but I mean in a in a very broad strokes. That's what's happening. Of course, what's happening in those pods is really much more complicated and is complicated is what happens in our social structures, but that, having been said he's afraid of us 'cause we're big and so holding the monkey she standing there and there's this tension in the room and Arturo comes around the corner. Ok and he kinda he's never been in this kind of situation because in circus they keep him separate right there and it comes around the corner and that monkey does that

You know: exorcist rise, the planet of the apes thing and my girlfriend who has her arms around the monk ape and is supporting him. He just goes Wolf and all her strength nothing to him and the train reaches and he's just gone and he's on the ground and Arturo goes. Around the corner into the house, slams the door and now they're, looking at each other through the glass. So this way, but what if it just grab his balls and punched, a solar plexus far, it would have torn off the ball and so then or knives and flop sweating, and it's a lot and Arturo was safe and- and I throw just walks away from the window and the monkey can't see him anymore among keyless and jumps up into

girlfriend that will be sold back to lovey dovey. Let me tweak your nipples a little bit loudly cran, then for the rest of the party. We did this thing with our cell phones, where, when Arturo was in the band room and the monkey wanted to go to the band rogues, we thought it be funny to get picked. The monkey in the draft wagon on a bomb was like a chimpanzee capacity reduction. Of course, I should say the work and Do they do it yeah? I also should add into this, and maybe a lot of people hate me for this, but also we gave them a lot of cigarettes them funnier that smoking bulky like Christine Monkey and of entertaining you see a smoking monkey laugh your ass. I mean I don't smoke, but I had I had. I spoke here for the monkey.

I know it's bad about. Yes. Vote is bad for the month, I never to total drop of alcohol, but I gave a tons of the monkey well yeah, I believe, be of. If ass it were an option that would have been better if we want to bring the monkey it and then you take your cell phone and you would call you dull and say where's Arturo and they would say our tools, the band room, the guy's been play. Some blues and our turtles play a little harmonica and I go ok. Can you wrap it up and get our turn out by the pool? We want. The monkey to play I drove have a good time here, but now you gotta leave 'cause. We think the monkey would be more.

The euro is a blow that he'll have to say that I too was playing a little hermetically dead end Montague, they picked up a little more rests with the five already is just rotating you don't bug you must go outside orator opiates to commit are truly wants to go to the barbecue, get himself a him Let's break the monkeys, like the other. The missing block actually take the boat across the river about bananas, which one do you take that across the wives retailer original men, the other. Only interestingly, besides I kind of slid over this, and I want you all to realize how sexy it is. It is very sexy in public to have an animal who can do anything to other people.

The idea you right now we were in mixed company and they were like thirty or forty people around and we had a monkey. They could just hand job and feel up. Anybody we will be having a better time. There's no damage its reach. You got this in our friends. Girlfriends there are no friend of mine. This woman, I know that's, That'S- really wicked. Smart, wicked, smart, wicked, powerful, wicked, strong, just great wonderful, great, terrific she's out by my pool in a bikini and a monkey. You wanna rob. I am a harder than China, but then the monkey does this. Other big you'll, you start thinking, he understands English. You can talk to him, you say get me a soda, you can say all this stuff, you say no, don't do this, but that AEGIS does that's just so cool, but you wouldn't think could do, and I would even if you were friends with Johnny Knoxville, this wouldn't happen so was putting on suntan lotion.

You know it's banana citrus suntan lotion and the monkey goes all we're just gonna, Renate suntan lotion into his mouth and then the trainer is trying to rinse banana Santiago. Haven't you now? What's again it's a great party, but I'm glad you're, that's the that's! That is our wonderful story and I also love I love and then just sort of building off that something is an earlier that you ve. Never you ve never done any substances and I've it's over eight years and I never did drugs, but I just drank a lot and but but the balkan area with the boy. That's why I go bowling just quit about what I love it, but I love is it? Is it just hearing you tell these stories and talk about you know and just from knowing what I know about you you're, your decision to not touch substances is, is very consistent with

but it seems like your mission statement life, which is having real, true experiences. If there had been alcohol involved, we could not have mixed the monkey with the little person right. It would have been too dangerous, but five big sober men with knives can do so yep, but also it makes all of your experiences you David there very through, very didn't make them through the parties I've had, and since I have young children, the parties have changed because, of course, child services of growth, but I had, I had filled up huge pools with cornstarch and we all know if you can do a nerd thing. Those backwards rather often have we had naked wrestling in cornstarch when about

One hundred of my friends and what I found is you know if you have friends that are porn stars, and I do it's very hard to get them naked, because they're used to being paid for that. But if you have friends that are like nuclear, this is easy to get. The rocket scientist will take off her clothes like that and because she's doesn't have to monetize, in other words value it ain't rocket science exactly through everybody's wrestling in the cornstarch, which is really good. We're all outside we're all naked, there's naked, cornstarch wrestling and theirs. So a lot of subjects, because some people enjoy the cornstarch wrestling even more than the wrestling Adam. When decided on TAT as a feature event, he was gonna be Arturo and I wrestling nude and all of a sudden, a figures bobbing in your head from what you pay

to see me wrestle a little person. Seventy eight dollars think numbers higher than what I would have thought. Seventy, don't one fifty one the how much you gonna pay to us it don't you know how to play that one big. Nor do I want to see a guy naked, but at what the cherry other topics get money for blood hundred fifty five, including took a masterpiece, we're we're we're well but were about four hundred dollars. Ok, just like that, but this is all free for my friends and I wrestled Arturo. We were having a great time 'cause, we acted like. We acted like a little. No one fell for it. We acted like it was just getting up in a grudge back. I put up there to say something to my friends in arterial heckled me a little bit and I was like.

Little bastard and we stayed started screaming and trash talking, and then we jump in the pool and the the was crazy. What what happened was Arturo's arms weren't long enough to hold his face out of the corn, I know this. What are we jumped in so we are jumping proud rolling around nude in corn starch, and I decided will be funny if I just push him down into the cornstarch. So I pushed him down to the cornstarch and I declare victory now what I don't oh. Is he can't pull himself out of the hole in charge it and he can't push his arms down to push off the bottom and he also can't breathe so he's now. For just a little bit too long, and then I I've been the position of Iraq's This is like a little often cannot handle a little person out of one starch who can bring one

rough go Arturo. Well, that's just to others. What Reinhard guided mail is cop to aboard and pull it topless stripper across the stage Arturo just enjoy. Data and extreme Elvis pissing on the crowd. Arturo had the cat birdseed, he didn't have urine autumn. He had a fine time right, good parties, but when I pulled him out what really broke my heart is that Arturo said to Maine. You know you saved my life, I couldn't have, and I said well, yes, but after I pushed through your head were held you down He was. He was very grateful that I didn't, Let him know want to see what that forensics report from the police office. You dont pinch of we all no baby. Always builders does not quite right about exert of

drowned and naked little person in corn starch in his backyard. Well is sick friends cheered. I could explain. Actually I guess I can just pretty much exactly what happened this last words to. I could explain the many ways that I've gotten in trouble. I've always all my friends who react like I have my garage as my bedroom right above it and I had so. It could be like the Fonz yeah exactly and I had a bronco had a Bronco automobile that was painted, pink and said pink death on the side of it and my plates said atheist and I put I was on the phone talking to somebody and I guess it was an interesting conversation because I got out of the car and continue the convo

asian and left the car running right there. Then I closed the garage door and I went upstairs finish my conversation and went to bed. So I had a full tank bronco running in my garage all night and I woke up at like five in the morning. Coughing and my nose filled up and unable to breathe, and I said to myself boy, the bedroom sure seems smokey and I went out and I test and I took a drink of water and blew my nose, which is black and city and then went back to bed because that's the kind of guy I am well. I guess I'm just getting a cold or something you never slept better and I slept very soundly and then woke up groggy and sick and feeling awful I'm going wow coming out of the flu. This is

horrible. I can I get out. I opened the door to outside and all of a sudden, I'm feeling a lot better and there's smoke pouring out of my bedroom and I go man. This is weird, so go away minute that smells like exhaust and I go downstairs and the door to the garage is so hot. I can't touch it and I have to get towels when I open the door. All this smoke comes out and I have to get towels to touch the car to be able to reach in and turn it off. It's been going for. You know whatever it was literally pink death, ten hours and I'm coughing and miserable, but that's not the important part of the story. None of that matters. What matters is my

friends. If that had happened, I'd stayed in bed, another fewer, although I've been told that the ventilacion was good enough, that I would never die. But let's just say I could have died in that situation. Then we have my friends talking and there would be two schools of thought on this. One pen was suicidal, didn't, know it and decide to kill himself by going to bed with the exhaustive. The other is panel of life, but with so so he went to bed, which one would you rather have people remember at I've talked to friends of mine that I said which camp would you be, and most of them have said. Well, we ve never seen you that depressed, but we have saved you stupid, like what you were doing. The moose gas things pops up and it says you don't you do a little thing pendulum found dead in his house, the car was running and he died of carbon dioxide poisoning. You don't want a discussion here. Where do you get when you go it cable?

Is that bundle with wonder atheist, killed by devil, possessed car you've gone with stupid, I'm going with accident. I know I'm going with I'm going with maximum overdrive or Christine Car going to save it, for someone could be like he said even believe it now or do it, because if you really want to kill yourself, you would have been in the car in the garage not up it's so much more than a couple bad wanted to be surrounded by I don't wanna, kill myself believe it. I just want to die in a hammock, that's it he died. The way he wanted. Will it use beds we're we're almost there were pretty much at the end of our our theme, but there's a couple things that I want to cover bunker. We release you into the wild number one I do you may get to talk to juggling and in college. I use juggler. Yes, but I never I'm warning you.

Cause. I don't know if I can do that, I was taught to juggle by Peter Scalery Short, who I know better than when I was in college. I worked at a country club he to and he got me into juggling in and what put me off juggling with it I could never maintain five. I could always get the first little Irish and then it just went away. This hard drive is hard and the other thing it's bothersome now is that, because of the internet, jugglers have gotten so much better yeah and that's something you know unintended consequences. I can't believe that, because of the internet and not because they learn how to do it because they know it's possible right, Thirteen year olds? Passing you note, twelve clubs bright, seven balls. Just if you look at the Jason Garfield and the his world juggling championships and stuff you ve now got. I was very good juggler in the seventies and now, even at my pique I wouldn't even because

the piker for amateurs I went to juggling conventions, and I was in college and and and one guy that I was always been. This is going to be very obvious statement if you're juggler, but if any one listen confine Michael motion. Videos M, O S, HIV and you know about my commotion. What do you know taught him to juggle know me what do you know where Michael motion lived? No next to Michael Collins, it's it's better than that. I grew up at forty eight place terrorist Greenfield Massachusetts or one three or one. That's where I grew up Greenfield Massachusetts. Forty eight place, terrace might motion grew. Thirty eight place terror like Greenfield Massachusetts or one. This is amazing. Higher up Lowell we shut the fuck up. You're from law. We are currently talking to get nowhere. Garlic is good. You know, you know,

you know great. No, I know Greenfield yeah great builders, yeah Lola Greenfield were the same guy, who managed to say all the same stuff. We've seen crack yeah. So so, when I was twelve years old, I desperately wanted to be in show. Business had never met. Anybody in show business didn't think it was possible. So The things I did was I learned to juggle and call in motion. Was bike motions? your brother by year- and I got a book by can bench from the library on how to juggle- and we learned juggle, wouldn't with no help just from a boy. Learn to do a shower. Before we do the cascade, we had lots of time to practice, we're in Greenfield Massachusetts and then the week after we started MIKE motion joined in and MIKE motion

I started juggling more and more and more and more and all through high school. Our group, the toss ups, is call the motion MIKE Motion and Penn Jillette are opening. Joke was high, where the toss ups, we used to be called the throw ups. If we didn't get as much work and we would we be juggling pass and then I got out of high school get out. High school did not gradually but plea bargain get out Adam and I went to Ringling Brothers, Barnum Bailey greatest show on Earth Cloud College, but I get out in that moved to New York and teamed up with MIKE Motion and we did a two person juggling act. We were the first to pass nine clubs shit. We were really stupid good and then we got a job at great. Venture aware. My motion was standing watching the three

good game being ruined by his struggling with locking way, but it goes further than that is like an arrested development episodes on turn the chimpanzee show up. Then it turned out that I bet tell her. You know when I was talking to tell her and I wanted to team up with teller. We still had this big play in Jersey, so MIKE motion lived in a house with me and teller. Oh, my god. Practicing all the time work and his soul of act. Well, I was working with teller and we'd still pass clubs all the time, and I went to Canal Street in New York City and I was looking for any thing, they could put together a routine. I want some juggling in the asparagus valley, cultural society. What are you doing to juggling things

from the ball lack the knife act, what one more thing so I went to canal Street and they have these these clear crystal ball. Yes, but let me finish a little bigger than softball success and I bought these crystal balls about five of them. I brought them back to our house and I sat with teller, and I sat myself and I juggled these three four five balls and every combination I could trying to fight is the crystal balls were beautiful and they didn't look unbreakable. They look powerful than nice, so I worked and worked and worked, and I was looking in the mirror- and I was talking to tell her. I could not find a bit to go with those crystal balls were there on the floor. These acrylic crystal ball, like motion, comes to me and says, because we would all be

go into the Museum of television history which you don't know you needed before the internet and watch these chemist. Gulps variety acts so Michael at watch this personally to some one ball manipulation, so Michael set me up thinking about monkey with one and I said all that's good juggling because it's one less than you have an that'll care and and be be able to focus on it. Michael came to me and said you know: could could I take those crystal acrylic balls bought and see. If I do a routine but those home. When I said I got nothing, man go ahead and then eight months later, Michael came to us with his one ball, Jugglery routine. With the crystal balls then went up to two and what is now called contact juggling, but at that time

called, might motions. Fucking everybody's at all, wet and MIKE Mike motion went on to become genius, Macarthur Grant juggler. And I went on to be in and tell teller, but from the time we were five years old, we were best friends. I mean MIKE most Calvin motion and pendulum with three motion brothers. You know we all would everywhere together, so you ve heard of- and yes I was the first one to see- is try triangle routine. Oh, my eye was the first one to see the sticks, thing that are going to be a David Bowe Labyrinth you gotta views is, he was the hands has heat and he also did the thing. Yes, it did this thing in like I don't know what it was called, but it would look like like if you section doubt the pipe, a big pilot and he would take balls and just in the

let me just bounced balls all around this year ago, but anyway, I'm so sorry that I didn't know that that is that good. That connection is amazing. I bow to you if MIKE Motion ever sits in his seat and you ask him a question MIKE motion will say all in and I learned to juggle that a week later, we rod parameter will also tell you: Panama, went to canal Street together block the balls and brought them back. We were both working on routine simultaneously and Penn. Couldn't come up with anything, and I came up with some of the change juggling in the 20th century pretty much in complete agreement. It has poor pen failed, might their small details that are slightly different. Well, you have, let's just put quickly the stuff that you have given. You have you have your book. That's out a book about five times that our lives there. Somebody was God no signs already be an atheist, another magical tales and the little per

amnesia and them- you're not in there, but the stream Elvis the whole atheists baptism with a urinating, fat Elvis and me RON, Jeremy and Extreme Elvis lined up his extreme Elvis has one of the smallest penises in the world. What's RON Jeremy, we all know and I stood between them and we took a picture which I like to call trojans. We fit all men this. I also like a seal pipe. We have. We have a we about shawl the disco channel, the other practical dislocate born than other discovery channel right after everybody's favorites, the beef partners who are opening for us here and on Wednesday night at nine hundred o'clock, you can watch the myth busters on the disco channel at one thousand o'clock. You watch pen and tell her tell a lie which has the same. First. Three words is pen until their bullshit

We will give you seven unbelievable science stories and one of them is a big obese lie. And you watch it home with your little apps in your computers and try to see if you can vote for pet until the relying we're tell you the truth about your universe. I appreciate that and I and I wish you the best of luck with the show and the book, and also just to tell you that that you guys were influential to me as a comic in the eighties I mean I did have an appreciation of illusion and magic, but I was much more of a comedy nerve and in an guys like you and then also when I was growing up, I loved amazing Jonathan. Why sure, like just watching the guys who were truly able to pool comedy unaware It spoke to me- and you know, revealed this this world to me so I died. Thank you. Thank you. So much, and you know it all this is really taught me that I really really should get together another party and you

yeah. I think that would be it might Collins. I will drop out there for that. Alright for that. Well, thank you. So much Pendulant enjoy a burrito everyone and thanks for thanks for listening yeah, that's the end, the end of the now but wait it's not the show as sort of promised us on poem. I tracked one down. Ten thousand poems are amazing. I dont know how to skated under my radar for so long, but clearly I have been an idiot ever was asleep and has only just woken up to life, thanks to sound poems. So

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