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I just out Hanks Tom Hanks. Yes, I brought a publicist, but I just thought she was a nice lady future hit, show it yet you're bringing Publicis I'm more grounded than ever. He does. He pulled his shit on you made it weird. I'm done believable? I grabbed an intern Anna publicist, so this poor guy, in the street. What are you doing? I train much you're an intern get in here. That's right. Does that mean I get paid course not. Alright, I guess I'll yeah. I guess that does seem a little weird. I wouldn't I wouldn't have a publicist in the room. If you did my part. Yes, I would you're right on your five K. Yeah, I know if you were to bring about poses to my bike, as I would have them wait in the comic book shop. Yet on this terrible Hollywood. Lot, there's nothing! You can't even get You can do. There's there's now Gabi most county. You gotta meet Roland. You gotta meet rolling their friends that are french barista, I'm, so I'm so

so no one friend you make the role and make their growing along wrong. It makes amazing food really a french guy can cook you'll wear of its name, a country and also some about them. This is the worst crowd work. If you ever want anymore, if you ever watch shark tank because they're not all the time, I don't, I love it too- their new comedian, so they they're just doing terrible terrible crowd work. Someone will be like it's. Surfboard in there and someone's like well. You know, there's nothing proprietary about this so surface, not up for Maine yeah, it's just like barely anything. Yet, though there is a ninety nine percent chance that those are all written- oh my god, then it's not even so, which means it's not even crowd work. I know, did they also it's like back in time. Like if a woman comes on and is like. This is a new padded bra that doesn't clasp in the back

I'll be like Barbara trying on sweetheart some ice like just the past right and now one of those is the press mines, a popcorn maker. I have a kernel of an ocean, no, no! It must just be writing. Those fuckin' comes I like when it's as simple as I like popcorn. This isn't for me, I'm out just just so she's, not my kind of product, yeah yeah, get my make millions of dollars. But it's just not for me, I don't like caramel corn, you know it just get stuck in your teeth. I don't have it the whole thing, I'm a basic guide now, if you expand the business to include dentistry, has anyone pitched a shark tank to shark tank Now now it's only going home shark tank, you could have a shark in your house yeah it's a tank for a shark daymond like I know Patrice O'Neal had sharks in his house. He did shark tanks in his house Big sharks are like little error medium. You don't want a big shark, it's too much food sure you do.

We have all these Ipad problem with him feed the shark, and then you just acting a lamb, Are there bison in your living room, yeah, just yeah yeah, don't worry, but I have gators in the kitchen or in huge pet food bags in some uh garage proxy I've actual crocs, my favorite part is shark tank is at the beginning. It says no. I wish I had the language. Would you look at Katie at the the disclaimer at the beginning of shark tank 'cause, it's funny languages, it says no offer is being solicited to from the viewing audience. Like who was watching and they're like I'll, give you one million dollars and they're at home, like I don't have a million right. I can't do this right, the disclaimer, I don't! I don't have to show up the cat home. I I was worried that I was going to say that this was like

how dumb we've begun intentional Kickstarter. What I'll do is now? You are price crowdfund! You watch! Sorry, you gotta kick in! So that's basically what it says: They had to say that in case you were worried. I don't have this kind of cash. I got to watch something else it's so if you could see me too right, it's interesting to have a guest on that. Can utilize Katie Super powers just knows ago Katie without going back and forth. Well, I mean I'm a heavily custody today, city of Katy Services, I caller Katherine some time. Another name. Judging by the heavy side that was he. She knows. The game crash If she does a light side, doesn't get picked up on the mic

I talked about sharks. Taking all these silly things. Listen! I'm just saying I mean I I'm I'm very excited for your show and and the reason I'm excited for the show's. Not only does it look like a good show yeah. I think I text you when I the first time I saw bill what yeah, but it's I think it's a testament to anyone who we We came on after the your late night talks So he went away and you it obviously was a bummer, but you had a good attitude about it. Yeah and almost immediately got this other thing going, which in the long run, I think it's going to be so much better for you, so it's a real great lesson in well. You can work really hard on something if it doesn't pan out. That doesn't mean well it's over. I guess it was one of those like how well you get up from false sort of thing right here in lots of sage old men.

Women will just as well Spring Batman, mostly who Alfred do your bag. We followed it up. I want to do my Alfred, you haven't. Upon me, yet never mister, white, mister. Why still wide asses all clock on my page, just an old man, Mister Wayne, but I love you I'll, be I'm going to a different cafe every week in Paris how do I find you? I will find you. I will find you in love with me, Alfred, this yellow blurring. I don't I want you undress and put on these rubber costumes all the time I'm not made of water. Sometimes I do the for the piano with my direct. Is it still the deal or if it's doable, I I really do ability to say or but it's doable, it's it's doable. Orbitz com. Have you ever played that calms?

right now we're just free stuff? Now it's just free Association played Arkham Vr Arkham VR, actual reality. What is it like? Yeah? Well, it's like reality, but I station. So it's the Arkham game set between Arkham Knight in Arkham City, you mean Arkham the game city in Arkham, Knight yeah, either way which Welcome to podcast that Matt has not been on for maybe a year, except for Saturday, six months, six months, yeah sounds like a year, you just doubled the time I haven't been here. That made my case sound more compelling. I ran into him on the way and I was happy to see me- is wearing a caramel, colored leather jacket, smoking along ground close. I came around the corner. Something like my first question is: what are you doing here literally what he said, because I didn't have never seen him yet, and I said yes, I was like: do you want to go

No, not this is magic. Did you die or you're visiting as a spirit before you pass on, what's happening guys, things are going great at the Goldbergs, I'm like, oh yeah. Oh that's! Really! Working full time reason all staff writer he's writing an episode, stamps dot com. That's my girl's name stuck wtf. I I I I would the the the thing where I said it's been like a year effective in six months. That's actually a fun tactic that I see employed on the internet. Often where people go, they they upped the stakes, make their things sound waiting for the sheriff. So if they don't like something go, you know everyone's been saying they don't like. This. Thank everyone yeah, twenty nine followers. I have everyone right or is it just you you don't you want it to sound more important, trying to think I realize it was a little bit troubling. I was falling asleep the other night and I was considering how often I make huge generalizations based on something like two or three people right right,

all do this like if two people are eating blow pops in a month, I'm like blood pops. Everywhere, but that's, but that's why everything, but that's also part of the fake news cycle and also I mean also part of confirmation bias where it's like. I only see one or two or three things that help me build this case and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that our brains just simply cannot process don't have the energy to pry information, so we're constantly filing and sorting using the least amount of thing. That's right that will confirm what we want to believe. I am not sit and reduce stress yeah. I make you feel safer yeah in one and I actually as bad look terrific horrible. I have a lot of that. Comes up a lot. That's a criticism I get on you made it weird. A lot is that I have a confirmation bias about whatever, like I want goes to be. Right now I mean sealed, see me getting excited of someone's life. We have to do the can see the difference for its islamic rule. That's about to like someone that I it's a some of

for entertainment value 'cause, it's more interesting to follow the thread right, I feel, like I love Penn Jillette. I really do, but I feel like if you know here on my podcast, it would be like twenty minutes long and just be like that's ridiculous. Oh, he would say that you just really in the science that makes it I've never tried to do pendulum. You know that's actually a very good pendulum and not only on comedy central ha ha ha. Oh wow. I forgot that he was the voice of comedy Central for Kyle home. I mean way before Kyle like in the 90s vagrant hobo is the voice. I looked in the window at Sears and so comedy central he's on the streets. He is, eating. Cheddar bay, biscuits back here, boy, trucker name. Last time I saw you the show was cancelled and then I followed Alfreds advice. I had fallen in the bat cave well right. I was confronted with the darkness and if the purple flower well not yet, ok, what

I guess tomorrow, I'm sorry so you're saying that I don't knows Roger cool and I'm not just come Roger Gould, Rajat, Russia, I am Roger GO. I have Roger cool, I'm a more it takes me to figure out. Roger goal is right. You have is a bad means good. We could do what I kick the is that? I finally have you write Alkyl? Is it it's a little shows up. What do you do it? Although that's Roger, we get a lot. I just had some of his mail. I was just bringing it to. It is it's rajshree racial ghoul, there's some Some hyphens in there yeah it's giving. You hints on how to say it yeah some names. So there is so hard to say they're like there's a map right in the name. I think that's a good Batman sketch that needs to happen. We did one kind of like that where there was a birthday

down and Batman was in they mixed up the interrogation rooms actually still have the post that I was in my apartment. This is years and years ago I wrote Batman, beats up Batman interrogates clown Joker in next room and the sketches not shot for shot. We that meticulous, but it was just there- was a and all of my lines are Batman's lines from the dark knight, like your garbage, that kills people for fun or whatever it is and he's just like it works across sound. Like he's really like really silly, then I got to kick the shit out of a birthday clip see that was fun is any of that. Are there any sketch character in crashing, or is it pretty Sometimes we kick around. I'm of the opinion that people don't really give a shit about my literal arc as much as it's fun to kind of follow like some people, some

it would be like, oh and then eventually, you'll make the Batman sketches and then I'll get you into this and listen made. Then maybe I'll have a talk show and personally, I'm just interested in most comedy and kind of like interesting stuff lies. So if it the flesh it out and it turns out at the end, this isn't success. Obviously we we've just done one season if it turns out that we think would be really funny to tell the story of what it's like to become like the most popular thing, ever did was the Batman staff, and then I was wearing a mask. So I remember that being somewhat frustrating because you could you want to be home, you couldn't tour with I like people that was Streeter Sai Doll, who's, a friend of mine from college child, anyone else. If I build myself as bad man, I could have made these old some day, get some people love being a character and don't want to be themselves and to me that just seems like the work, because I could not exact is in a lot of movies, but there was that movie about the kid who goes in the mountains and then he dies 'cause. There's no food or shelter,

look who's talking yeah with that? Let the baby. This is a responsible and then Bruce Willis, just for instance, that okay for Terrel movie into the wild into the. Why in that movie. Zac Galiffa neck is his cap over his face the entire movie. That's how Kollywood he is. I guess oh yeah, he doesn't he's not into any of it He said when he did my bugs that he walked past the billboard for his movie. It was his face and he legitimately thought. I wonder if that's any good, you didn't think of it like he doesn't like it yeah, I don't think he associates with it. He doesn't seem to like any press. He doesn't like doing any. He doesn't like is like doing any of it. Well, it's it's. It's a tricky thing and I'm sure you we've both been tempted by this. The more you face mirrors that project back to you. You are

Are you are Chris Harvey on the host of at midnight like it's fun to do? That is fun. To do the show and have your craft and all that, but if you start believing your own hype, it puts something itchy blood. I guess so, but I also think you know Zack, despite having done a lot of big movies is really just a book he's just such a ball of alternative comedy energy, but I I just wonder if all the extreme stuff just makes him feel I mean, I honestly, don't know you think he's avoiding it 'cause. He doesn't like it he's not doing it like to keep real. No, I think he doesn't. I think he just genuinely doesn't like it and Zach is the guy that really just doesn't do anything he does. To do yeah. So I can read. I completely respect my point of view and I, when I, when we, when my wife and I are watching baskets, it occurred to me that Zack is essentially our generation's buster Keaton MIKE and this is not if there's like, there's like a poignancy to the comedy in an underlying sadness, Anne, how the more set This is the more ridiculous yeah. It's like it's like that scene in the pm

So I am a crude yeah yeah where his pants fall down and hits the ground like anyone else doing that, like ok, but with Zach, I don't know, there's so much weight, there's so much to it. Maybe I'm projecting that no you're right, but also don't underestimate an interesting face right. You know what I mean you're just like that. Guy looks like he's thinking of something which he probably is, but so is the guy with the vacant face, but you don't see him in pictures. You know what I mean. I thought it was interesting. I'm wearing AV neck shirt, it's so deep. I accidentally just threw a hoodie on I slept in so I'm so sorry, yeah, no you're going to interview me podcasts audience wants to know if they really want to know. I want you to know that. I know that I'm not Ryan Gosling that I massage level eight.

Amorphous Mandeep, it's probably 'cause. I had a nightmare was yanking on it, like Mister Belvedere. No, so I'm aware that this is weird, what were you saying 'cause? He just made me think of something. Is that we're talking about Zach, but you just made me think about how people that pilot episode of the bowling show Dunham was teasing you about your sweat stains you go. They made me put on two shirts, one of my favorite things. I've ever done there we never. Is it not out no Second, one is out. We never did it like. It was a pilot for MC, it was me and you time went into Nathan, Fillion versus the cast of mad men in the sklars, we're hosting it was at AMC. Amc had picked up the show. So to do so nice. They made it twice as old time. I've been trying to think of a square job. You gotta give that to them too. So nice they made

you have to give that to them if they don't already think of it. That is for our amazing, we're so we're. I I like that. Most of us are laughing at Matt's faces, like I'm, not sure if it's appropriate the reason the probe is because they would make that joke yeah. Of course, a what? If and guarantee of the they're going to want to make that their profile. Let's we'll do it yeah we'll take which what which which, but rather a thing you take Randy I wish there was a triplet, a trip triplet somewhere who's, Human comedy Kumail gave me a good tip. Well this guy Brothers Rand, He is not wearing glasses, doesn't wear glasses, J wears glasses and because when you're feeling Randy you take off your glass, you know where he got that from from Hardware. That's how JANET Varney and I used to tell them apart in the early on- and I told Camille and Emily yeah and yeah Randy is ready to go. He has the glasses off Jason

glasses on, but that's so ironic is Jason's the plant starting huge, salacious rumors. That said, no one cares what the truth is anymore, we were talking about baskets JAG Office, Evanescence Keaton muster keeping you you. We were talking about Zak, doing press yeah, I'm just keeping it keeping. It was real and there are those guys that just seem immune to show biz and I'm very interested in the like. I'm not a geek, don't mean to keep bringing up these people but south Road into the park as and I only wanted to talk to him about how he seems to be a what normal guy you're a normal guy. You don't go around being a jerk face, I don't I think I do you know. I don't know if I don't know. If anyone has the, I mean you ever feel Voldemort, though I'm not totally I'll, be with you like right. I mean I look at it. This way

we stay at the four seasons. One time I said at four seasons, the first time I say to four seasons. I realized oh. This is why rich people are just is because of the four seasons. If you drop a tissue, someone run up, not only pick up that easy, but they'll hand you a silk handkerchief and be like this is courtesy of the four seasons. Mister home. Would you like to strike main, send me into the walking fireplace if it amuses you it's a lot of it, but then you go the next weekend. I was in Portland at a normal nice hotel. You know like a Hilton or whatever the hotel is and they were normal, an I caught myself. Now being rude, but I was tempted because I was like. Can I check in and they were like Eeh rooms, not ready. They did

they like sorry, either direct view rooms are right because that's normal yeah, it's information. Well, you know it was like. Can you call me when it's ready, you get, you get conditioned for things, and so I think it's just a constant way of keeping in check. Yes, you know a lot of people will do things for you in a lot of people, and you have to make sure that you don't take it for granted or like it right. I think it it's sort of an analogous experiences. You know you get used to getting recognized and then you go someplace like you, gotta check in hotel and you're like oh, I can I see Friday and you're like really. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, but I've never done an idealist checking, but as I love it, but for a you know that would that would suggest like? Oh, that person is a complete asshole right. They expect that everyone, but share the other side of it, is oh well sort of can you can get? It happened so much because yeah, ok and it's really just about efficiency and time. But when you step out of your go, oh yeah, that's a dick move. '

but we all get used to whatever is happening right. That's that's the weird real they have been right. It goes. It goes to being in a low spot in your life. You can just be, like God: I've eaten a burrito from the freezer at three meals a day, and you just get used to that 'cause you sat in the windows are drawn right, been there, then you also get places where you just like expecting the world Melaney at the best point, when he driving on SNL Mick Jagger was the gas the musical guest, I suppose, and he was like Mick Jagger isn't rude, but what it helped Millenia understand what he's like you're not, to see aerie. You know I mean I would never let me a coke, you know what I mean like. I go, Alexa turn it down. I know everyone. Everyone is Alexa to that's what he

conditions for like what eighty years at least already have wept at the opportunity to bring someone bring this man, a diet, coke, that's a story for life yeah, and I opened it for him and he said cheese, and I was like no satisfaction well that I remember when the whole Tiger Woods thing Bro, like always been. You know cheating on his wife in other ways: and I'm heartbroken and so uh what I remember thinking was yeah. Of course, that's the thing to do it's not something I would ever do. I think it's awful, but I try to imagine like you know what, if you're in a professional athlete in a time where all many professional athletes are doing that and it's just you grow up. It's just like. Hey you can have whatever you want whenever you want you're the best you're, the best yeah, and if someone does that to you for twenty years, your perspective is different to the extent where you don't your sense of right and wrong is not the shared common interest of what's right,

I think, I'm not excusing it. I'm just saying from his point of view, it was probably a much different experience it's two days, one in the movie funny people, I love the line. Sandler says it's easy not to cheat when no one wants to fuck you right. That's a great line but didn't sound like is what he said after he do what weird, because it is dramatic scene, and then Other thing I think we're all everybody in this country, for the most part, is getting the they'll slowly turned up on the privilege and the kind of luxury of their lives like so meaning we can broaden the the conversation out which is almost everyone? I know like my brother, my family people that get any show any food brought to them and they're grateful for the opportunity to bring you noodle soup- and you just say: yeah no worries. There's three dollars right:

My wife, a company was been getting very bobcat, is drifting affected over yeah I used to be more of a New York. Getting this is what I'm saying is almost it's like living in New York, everybody. Have a celebrity. I remember when I move there. I was like the cabs or your drivers this before Huber. Obviously so it's like unique that they're just cabs everywhere, everyone has a personal chef 'cause there's takeout and delivery everything your laundry is I feel like no one in New York City that I know didn't just their laundry off, so you become like a king. Well, it looks very so you're thinking I have to put these clothes in this machine. Well, it's you know. I think it's very much a part of human nature to seek comfort inn to avoid discomfort yeah. I think losing the idea like no one wants to feel any oceans anymore. Yes, it's like, but you're supposed to feel emotions like you're bored Borg,

adding a film not based to be discussed your soul to be uncomfortable. Sometimes so, but as you achieve more success, more people do things for you that you the end. You seek that because it's comfortable have yes and then and then, but if, if it goes too far, you because I think people get to a point where they just can't help yourself from getting too far uh a smoke weed everyday. Definitely, definitely not the answer. I get myself. You mean how like asking, how Hardwick how you do how you and wouldn't you don't know I don't. I don't think I'm looking around it. I don't think I'm at the point yet where I I mean I feel like the internet, keeps you very grounded, because there are enough people that are like fucky, you suck so you're like oh yeah, I'm not don't throw them a bone thanks for keeping

since you know it's funny about actually occuring self hate. I don't need some guy in Wyoming. I tried to explain that to people too much before, and I think it's really funny. I think I find the pretty. You know the kind of like the girl me more. It's the white girl with the dreadlocks and it's the you know it's that sort of. I don't care what the name of the meme is, but it's basically like a like a misguided activist. Like you know, someone who will you know talk to you about vegetarianism, but then I don't know then they ran over an animal in the street and then they just didn't. Stop the item right, sherry, bad examples, yeah, give an example of a meme. I don't know this means your young pump. Katie is his main. It's like granola, granola girl, the just type meme and then like hippie girl, hippie girl. It's called girl, hippie girl, meme and so the hippie girl meme. That I would make says in quotation, marks, check your privilege and then below tweet it

my phone. You know what I mean it's like when people tweet it you to check your privilege. Like me, you're tweeting, from an expensive but you know it's funny that you say that afraid of hormones in milk takes acid from strangers. That's really funny yeah, that's a good one yeah, but there's something going on like. I was just listening to the dropkick Murphys on the way over and they have this song about how Essentia Lee used to be able to have one job, and now you have to work two jobs and like the both parents need to work just like have the same quality of living. And I honestly don't know the numbers behind this. I started thinking about that. I was like that. Does make a good punk rock song, like that's a nice thing, to rage against yeah. Ok, we used to just have dad work, one job yeah, but he didn't come home even watching ninety seven foot television with seventeen streaming services in like two cars. You didn't need, like I feel like. If you want to live like that time, I I don't know it seems like the

living would be lower. Would you like to come home and play scrabble? You could probably do that We could do that. Do you want to go to the movies constantly? Do you want to know so doctor strange in Imax three d and be a part of modern, yet I mean that that's the thing is that I feel I don't think it's fair either, but there is no one. There is absolutely poverty in the country, but I think most people that try to privilege czech people are a little at v, their their perspectives, a little warped like you're fairly. Alleged yourself right, not everyone right, but a lot. A lot of the people are more privilege than they would let on to win their privilege. Checking people like you. Well yeah. We don't. We just point out what we're what we have in our well. It is that you know dick when the worst part is. It is the it part of the poison of what's going on right now is anyone who thinks they have moral high ground on anything just feels like? Well, that's my permission to,

he is a rotten to someone else, as I possibly can. If you're right, you don't have to be nice. If you feel like you, have the moral high ground, it's like all the gloves are coming off. You can do is write, though platitude on an or and hit someone in the head. Yes, but I think you know an answer, your question Matt part of the grounding thing and I don't know if I am or not, but I feel like not having achieved a lot of success until I had failed. A lot was very helpful because I always feel like that was just yesterday, and I know that it could happen again. You have Leno Disease, you, have full blown later thinking about men over the losers, famously didn't spend any of the money from his talk show yeah I just kind of hoarded at and spend money from public appearances. That's what he lived on right, but I understand that that's that's kind of the thing is, I don't think there is a making it that that's when it like it.

About. I think a lot of people are postponing their happiness and their contentment to the moment where they're standing in the sun and they've made it. But people that, like we were saying with my talk, show or other things that went away. You realize it's never done it's all just like life, and it really is about how you continue to find the will to be kind, the will to stay open. The will they will remain creative. These are the real games were playing right. We happen to play them in more visual ways, like oh, like if my father expands his business tanks alot in Somerville MA is annoying, bank removal company, that's great into like also some other service that doesn't get on the page. The front page of Reddit. You know I mean, like nobody gives a shit, but if you start doing a new thing against, so find the latch on to that and comment on that, but really

Doing the same thing. Well, yeah and you know it really is about, because you know you, you work really hard, you fight really hard and you you have to be scrappy and be creative, and you know whether or not that starts working. That process never stops because you're definitely climbing whatever. This latter is yeah- and you know you really do have to stop once in awhile ago. Oh yeah, everything everything is ok, but I got I got You know I still have to achieve. Well, it's an interesting question. It's a simple question, but it troubles me. I hope it's interesting is what when is it enough you know what I mean when enough of what like what is the thing that you're trying to is it? If you like the work, then you can do that forever right. If it's it's about like I want to win an Oscar and then you have the Oscar like what would happen right now. I mean I think, like that, the that those kind of hard results, oriented goals are view have right now. Is that what you said? Remember they're not ever they. They don't mean everything, because the moment it's

like the guy that made searching for sugar man, the guy who made the documentary won an Oscar and then he killed himself out like a month later and I'm certainly not trying to just turn him into a statistic. But I love the Jim Carrey quote where he says I wish everyone were rich and famous, so they could see it's not the answer right. That's why somebody just told me a story. Esther about a comedian. I knew sitting on the on the patio of the comedy store smoking a cigar and they had never seen this guy so confident, like he was normally, you know a regular comedian. We can kind of talk to our friends. Keep yourself. This guy was like holding cord and it was like what's going on with this guy and he was just kind of like Bragg being being a blowhard about. Like some I don't want to. I don't want to use context clues to reveal who this might be, but some small, Hollywood thing and I'm just like that's what you think we're doing like I used to new guy, I knew guys that when they went to Montreal got deals and then they would bring printouts

the deals to the comedy cellar to show everybody I'm talking this was a breath. I guess I look at a million dollar deal. Look at as heroes like show right. Everyone I was like that is the wrong style for me of living. No matter what you're doing well, I know 'cause it's believing in your own hype like like I'm on words right now very exciting, but there's also just part of me. That's like oh man. I I hope I get to keep doing the show or it's not even it's just kind of like oh there it is instead of maybe like I'm, going to take my dick out used himself but campaigning surprised that a profession where people constantly need validation from strangers every night might lead to more instances of them trying to get validation. Going look at this thing and I suppose it right good enough now, but isn't there an interesting shift in the first half of the comedians live from I'm hoping right, a desperate need for affirmation which I share by the way sure I actually woke up this morning I was like, oh my god today. I feel like how I felt from eight from birth

from let's say ten to twenty five, like just that, because I well, I sort of said it when I was like twenty one. So, from from ten to so for that time I was so anxious no way of solving myself like I just I think I told you this last time. I did it a bald spot in my head. I couldn't sleep. I had terrible digestion like freaking the fuck out all the time, and I get little glimpses of that PETE, like one thousand and fifteen year old, PETE, nervous PETE, and I'm like oh, my god, it used to flare up, and I didn't have anything to do about it. Now I can go, do a set. I can you know channeling some of the energy, but think it's! You know it's all just by products of of of issues that all of us had going into it right because it when George Michael died. I someone published this letter that Frank Sinatra wrote to the. I think it might have been the LA times George, Michael at the in, like nine thousand one hundred and ninety two, just like really about his famous as he ever was, was talking about the pressures of fame and it

pardon. It wasn't easy and so Frank Sinatra wrote this letter to the LA times. Just it was just like hey baby, you got swing, that you're lucky people are coming to your shows. This is what you want to be happy. You know, that's like he just like. That's that, like that about that from an even more famous person, right and- and I think it's really just a by product of personality, some people see it as a burden. Some people That is for sure some people have an easier time. I think I'm one of those people sitting back and enjoying it. I don't want to sound like I'm a guy because, like there's my billboard, I just makes me nervous. I'm like holy holy ship. Look what we did! That's incredible and I really do mean we like the whole team. We, So that's why I'm hoping that in the second half of life we go of a comedian's journey. We go from just that. It was something crude that got us which was just like God, I'm nervous. If I don't have people giving me tension in love, that's a fine way in. I would like to leave

the game and I do mean like when I die with a better sense of like I did that, because it's what we do rocks tell time comedians right, jokes tell Joe, you know what I mean like you're, just kind of following your calling and that's why it's not the billboard, it's the feeling. Here. You know when you see like a huge swarm of birds and they're all moving in unison. Writing mean they like their turning, yeah there's those words and then there's always like a couple odd folks that are just like now. In formation, do an open mic, but no matter what you're doing in life. We know the difference between being one of those birds. That's outside I'm not talking about conforming, I'm talking about that swirl in the movement of life and you're either merging into that, and you can feel it when you're doing the thing that your path you feel a certain you feel aligned. You feel alive. You feel it's the right water slide, yeah, yeah and going down it feels right. Why isn't about the billboard or the money or the fame are getting laid? It was about finding your lane

Well, it's also you know, like I said, fighting so hard to create two night after night, getting up onstage falling, getting up. Only getting up fighting fighting, fighting, fighting fighting and again you become conditioned to like oh, I gotta fight to survive, but then, when you don't have to fight it's creating battles because you're did did the drama. I maybe me like. I know what it's funny drummer, I'm addicted to this part of it when you were talking about that earlier, there's actually a phenomenal some celebrities and I don't even have names to give you. But I've heard Zach Cregger did my podcast and he told me that he worked for a company that would kidnap rich people, celebrities movie stars tv stars whatever and throw them in the basement. Get out of them hit them with hockey state like you could gauge it, they would pay for the privilege.

Suffering is you're talking about getting to that MAC and make Jagger place, because okay there's something true, some like really far out mistakes. You know I like talking about that used to pray for suffering because they realize that that was the only thing and they're absolutely right. Richard Morris of this great thing, houses aren't meant to live. He lived in they're meant to be moved out of, but the thing is like the only way, we get out of our ruts. Even if they're comfortable, glorious rats is some sort of suffering, so some things would pray for suffering, so they would hate it. Obviously they knew that that was the fire. That was doing, I mean the matter, I I think that's kind of a bull stance because I feel like I do because I feel like there's. No honor in suffering suffering just happens because light it's life, so I think it's more about. I think the it's a very nice? I don't mean this for you, but I mean I'd love to talk with them. I feel like that's a very pretentious like I need to suffer to be alive. You don't suffering happens,

and also you mean you don't need to ask for it, you need to ask for it like it doesn't make you a better person, because you go out of your way to suffer because and it because I feel- I think the asking is more about having an openness to it. It's not that you're like willing it it's too, point is going to happen either way. I think growth happens from discomfort. Growth happens from suffering and that's fine, but it happens an I feel, like you, can clean up and get cute about it right. You can create suffering or you eight solutions or you can learn from these things? But what I'm troubled with is like you know is. Is I see you do the same bad part, all the time as comedians, are funnier when they're riding the bus there's some. I think what the mystics that are asking for suffering is getting at. Is we all plateau we all get to? We were talking about earlier shootings that celebrities get used to the things that we all get used to so you're in your house, and I I really feel that tight seal in my house, the door closes law.

It's the right temperature. The food is there, I know where everything is the bathroom. Is there I think I need to put on sweatpants and remain Get me wrong. I, like that's what I'm going to do the rest of the day, so I'm not on that right. I am aware that if I were the kind of guy that would book a flight against my own, better sense to America where they had that really really long walk, what's it called the there's like a Martin Sheen movie about it. My point is you can go. In two there was a laser I have a laser in years. That was, laser is back for that job. It was amazing. Thank you, I'm only. Is that everyone will know what I'm talking about? You could go and force yourself into situations that are a little bit last comfortable. I'm not saying you need to go, get in fights, that's down type of suffering, but everybody knows leaving your comfort zone is like going to college. Your parents are like

this is good, but that's why I workout three times a week. I have a job. I haven't trainer that you know in Matt has worked with the same trainer. It's it's. You know he does create discomfort yeah there. You are asking for several I guess I am but but not, but it's because you know an like having you said yes to gigs, that you're like I just a trainer too. So I know that Jessalyn I've- I looked at it, but I mean the trainers like thirteen dollars within about creating but creating, but creating discomfort in the way of like constructive, like this, that you know, if you can get through this, you get through anything like, I think, there's an understanding of its all constructive, which actually brings us to even your death. That's what, I a it would say like we play this game where we're like suffering is good. If we can bounce back from it it's listening to Kanye on the way over and it's a daft punk song. Really anything that doesn't kill me can make me stronger and I'm like. Ok yeah, that's true, but it's not. We we're winning we're winning we're winning we're. My government is start with that. He goes out and then when they would die. What about cutting off all your muscles?

conceivably through the it's a tricky question. But if you go and I'm not even I would bring this up if I weren't trying to get the word out about crashing. I, The comedian- I am an I look back on something. Never would have asked for which is my real life divorce and I'm like. Oh, my goodness, that's the thing that kicked me into the pool. Sure and everybody knows that that's kind of an obvious thing, but we can't get enough of it to Nerdist it up an. I would have done this on my own podcast Tony Stark has to get shrapnel in his heart to motivate him, well the thing that changes his his. I had to go through recovery, hey, you know it's like we all and and that's fine and I do a the with the shot with the captain. Kirk will line of you know. My pain is what makes me who I am yeah. I was actually but undiscovered country. Sadly, it was STAR Trek, five, the

french minor frontier a worse one. That's right box, brother, yeah, yeah, seven takes I lock in takes whether pain, yeah, but it, but I think you know I I think rain for suffering it to me is: is it kind of your two? but I think I suppose, when you look at what authenticity I think it I think, living out living authentically and if you're, in a situation where you know, sometimes you will have less of something and that's your authentic situation. Sometimes we have more of something and that's your authentic situation and I feel like both are the game both of the both it's all part of the same thing and there's nothing. But you know we're trying not to resist either. That's a tricky things have no value, but things have the value that, through the ends of whatever our baggage is. The material to anything in the external world is essentially a reflection of of what our baggage is right at the baggage is our lands and how we see ourselves in the link to go

Is it crazy? I could make this very exact labels. Coke bottle could be yeah exactly exactly, and so you know that's why to me. You know when people go well Maybe the universe! Just doesn't want me to have it's like the universe, doesn't give a fuck if you have x or Y or don't have x or y you're, putting that other your limitations, because of whatever you think you deserve. I love that that to me is a little bit of the the shaking up of the mass hypnosis like we all go around straightening, each other's costumes in the rain and be like your you're right. You should be livid with what Molly said to you, and I really just kind of courage in other, like it wouldn't say what she said: how dare We treat you that way in your time of need, it's already serious right, so there's something I think this made me think of that as Alan Watts, who I love very dearly explained. Imagine if you were God you're allowed to create your own world

hi you're talking about Bruce Almighty or Evan Almighty, either one no! No, he was no avenue is no. He was no movie pitch yeah, so the dystopian future apocalyptic future. All religious texts have been destroyed, except the movie Bruce all So there are churches and and like all these people that follow the movie grease on writing at Alan Watts, said if you could create any reality, waste of your time ono the way he puts it actually is. He goes, let's say every night, you go to bed and it's one hundred years and you can do whatever you want every night. You would go to bed and you would create a world where you know whatever you want. You fly, you flock everything you're always coming you're eating, whatever you want and you just living this perpetual paradise is like

How many nights have a night is one hundred years? Would you do it probably a lot 'cause, it's the best. You know what I mean. If it's never not enough, you can kind of like turn it up or whatever he's like after, like a couple weeks of that, maybe a month you're going to create a button that says, I don't know like some sort of trouble because, like you're just like this is this is nothing. This is why we don't play video game. Sun, God mode. You know dvd receives. You know. The trial is an up, and I mean everything to me: is violence and I'm so brain after black Mayor Chris Thailand. I was an episode. Where is that criminal is a shootout with cops and he gets shot. Wakes up in Sebastian. Cabot is there and he's like hello, I'm pit bye, Muir Guide in the outlook on Dead NEWS like yes and is like what it what it, whatever you, whatever you want, so you know the guys. Gambler and he's a thief. So you know he lives in this. Super swanky brings into super swanky. Apartment is every night. He goes to the casino and it's like chicks

Are there any wins every time he plays and it's great and then after a month the guy goes and crazy and he's like. I don't. I don't even get into Heaven is like right have in yeah whatever it happened, and it was the I'm not all the donor to move yeah Mark. I don't understand James Corgel cracked up to thirty well, but it does but believe it, but it said, but it's that I didn't like it, but it took the risk. You know the guy was begging for like right. Could I not? Can I rob a bank? Of course you can there any chance, I could get shot well. I can arrange that, but then it's I know you're doing it yeah exactly some people realize the Allen wants button that sits on the Senate before really do need that you're playing Sim City and you go out to the disaster menu and you yeah you select, tornado or or what I know there was a huge tornado, I'm not trying to be disrespectful and to that point

the alien invasion, alien or or, and then what happens before this is really thank you. I do, but that's kind of my point is you would I would never tell someone wow. They were suffering. That suffering is like a. This is how we get the work. This is what we do. That's the way this thing you can say all you do is have compassion and empathy. Obviously, but then later, when you look back, you think if you've had the same kinds of experiences I have you go, I would have never asked for that. Charges because oh I became a guy on tv is the inner work is just is valuable, is anything external? That's happening right yeah I mean if, because you know what a situation means is dictated by how you perceive it, and I'm not saying it's very easy to do that. But if you can, in your case you work very hard and making daily show, is very hard to do it's a lot of work. There was there was a lot behind it and then to get that call where it's like

I can't do this anymore, just sort of feeling like oh, why I do all this, but somehow it seems like you were able to still be sad about it, which is totally reasonable sure. But not not not really what it was it wasn't. I didn't grab a bottle of vodka. It and, like I have vine. Can my house and I've been fortunate that I'm not a sad drinker in that? Like my wife left me and I didn't like just grab, I remember thinking should I drink. You know what I mean like I had seen enough movie, though, like think I'm supposed to go talk to a bar key I really like I I was I isn't that what men do have, but it's not that I'm you know like Spock or something that I'm just thinking of how to solve it, but I was coming right will ride this out. Drinking was part of it at some point MIKE right, okay, my habit, but I'm fortunate that, like when the talk show is canceled. Maybe I already told you this uh. I remember I was on the toilet. That's how confident there was. I did a city

While I was talking to my my team, they were like. Why do I wipe yeah I'll? Give it a set check? Ok, one there like a masturbating woman and just kind of wiggle it do you know about the button what button? Well, I wish there were three women in this room. What's the button, the button is, the spot just on the underside, where testicle meets taint. And when you're done urinating, if you push it it just squirts out that last little bit wow, so you have to go from behind in order to know you go under under and around yeah yeah. Alright, ladies and awake, I have wrapped my with toilet paper like a mummy before just in case. I love a good and put on a Brendan Fraser, we need to be shooting at a target at three hundred in the morning. You know what I mean sit down.

I'm going to get you to the target weight. That's over talk, I don't want you to tar all gotcha. I want to stand in a team right when I'm trying to stay asleep right or I take a call- and I don't want to be here- the water. That's right! That's right! Yeah! I button try. It just enter. I'm gonna try absolutely. So it happened and then the church so that they're like this has not coming back and even then I was like it was supposed to drink, and I didn't we did just kind of like go. We thought about it and I'm sure you've done this to where it's like. Well, what do I? Like to do what there's there's part of like what kind of so I want to have what feels fulfilling creatively and then really more pressing was like what is talk about that flow or the swarm of birds that the water slide it just like. What is the thing that really feels like is written on my bones to write. You know, I think, oh religious guy. I I never thought that was unique. I kind of thought everybody was growing up, hyper hyper, but pretty evangelical got married to. The first girl I ever had sex,

and then we were married for six years, and then she left me for another guy, and then I had that whole experience of well, what is God what his faith and I lost all my faith, eventually an I kind of fell into the world of stand up and found all these, like unlikely friends from all these people that I had somewhat rightfully labeled scumbags. I love these, but some of them. You know drug using a gambling, prostitute, getting lovable people and I had been taught to stay away. Those people- and then these were the people I'm talking about in real life, that rescued me, they really did I'm talking like we were laughing about how crazy tj is before, but TJ was like fly you out to where he's shooting a movie come stay in my hotel with Maine 'cause you can be alone. This is my bodyguard. You mean it yeah Abe. I believe this is a lot easier name yeah,

Why did you do that? That's kind of the moving that to the show that was one of the things I like how you could find it's up to put down the church, but it was more of the church. The comedy that rescued me when I really needed it. Well, I think it's really about You know everyone needs to find their tribe and for some people it's you know it's a prefab I'd like a religion or a or a political movement clicks right in and you're like. I guess I am a tobacco farmer Hanford site for some people. You need to find that try or kind of construct that tribe- and I certainly you know when I discovered being around other comics- was like oh yeah. Ok, this thing this is that thing I remember Seinfeld talk about that and he's like I go to these fancy award, shows and there's Dustin, Hoffman and there's you know, Sir Ian Mcallen or whatever, and he just goes and naturally navigate stored, the writers. He's like just the oblong, weird stinky. I just like kind of like how

often betrays and movies just like that, guy with the doughnut, and then they got a sinus and then he goes and has a ball with. It doesn't really connect to the Mcallen. Do revenue so they're, tiny hangers that come with the socket. It's called the button. It'll get the less. Or whatever's project tiling from European I'll assist you. If you wanted to stop hit the button Joe Button, yeah, I don't know, but but I I that's. It is like I don't like saying a species, because it feels on included to people that are comedian. I do think most comedian. All comedians are this species and there's some people that aren't fully fleshed in their comedy. This makes sense but still act and think yeah I mean I honestly uhm because we're.

I think this really amazing period right now where so many people in our friend group are blossoming yeah. It's I've always said it's one of my favorite things in the business is watching people this watching the world cover something I've known. I had it on for songs like like Yahoo mail with the big six. It's really funny and mailing. Emily are amazing and you know TJ. Everyone knows it did you know and so see. You know, Matt Matt's, writing and Joan is mystery. Site like everyone's coming into their own and it's a wonderful, really big hot tub right now it is a nice hot, so huge, hot tub, and so there's like four people in a hot tub so many people there's always busy so wing of the hot tub like seventy five cubic feet again, it's literally an infinity pool, does not stopcaesar dot com, slash, weird but I think that's real, but I think, but I think that you know everyone's everyone's hard work is paying off.

And it's all happening in sort of Beijing to see like how everyone starts to process. It deal with it and when you're used to sort of being the person who does alternative calendar was like. Oh, no, I'm used to having to force people's attention in the corn, a bar with a half foot ball game on and now people are listening. Is that okay? Can I process that? Is it that's weird this is a great time. This is the this is the taking the chips to the casino and how I think of LA as a whole? It's like you have this commodity and if delay, maybe someone will exchange your chips which are worthless, for they don't have monetary value for money, but the thing that the show crashing February 19th is exploring is that it's far more interesting when we were coming up like. I would love to see Chris Hardwick in the in his dressing room at shipmates and just like I was drunk yeah and drinking. I mean that that's a great story. I I'm not saying this because it's

as I say in every interview, I'm like I'm so much more interested in the origin story about a man that I am watching him and I consider dark Knight the origin story, kind of of the Joker sure. So it's like two or origin stories, the third one just kind of like it now we're fighting and that's fine, but I like the story of. Why did these people become who they became? And again it's not that I'm that interesting? It's that's one of the stories that people, to pour themselves into and comedy is one of those jobs. I think that, no matter what you're doing everybody wants, there is out there inside out. You know so if you're an architect and you roll out a blueprint, people might not laughing clap and you know pay a cover, but the it's the same sort of experience of taking so, it, was inside and putting it out. I know, but every period is an origin story to another era. Do you know what I mean like they join me for that season? Two butch fellas. I know I said season. One was that you're able to

look back and say you know. Chicago was an origin story, because now I'm here and now I'm doing this, but in ten years you can say, oh crashing was an origin story to this thing, I'm doing now and that's life season well of crashing, yeah, that's or whatever it is, and so every you know it's it's really you. You don't really know what an error and till that soon so you're in the but there was no time like coming up and stand out. I used to sit around with two male and I remembers me to mail and a couple other given might say that now, but at the time I know you didn't think that way I said to to me in Carmel, and these guys I said 'cause I was reading, books about stand up, and I was like it's weird to think that in the future they'll read books about so this was like a year and stepped up just kind of like a preposterous right kind of self confidence or something or I just kind of believed in us, I thought were all fun and Camille was kind of the only one that was like and the other guys. I remember really well it's easy. It's easy to. I mean it's the hot side. It's the hindsight thing, though I mean it's easy to look back,

yeah that didn't basically when you're experiencing something when you're experiencing something it's your basically processing an near infinite number of tales like being in this room- you're, not really thinking about it now, but when you leave your brain mites, few things go. You know I really love being in that room with wallpaper was great and I love the way Matt was sitting. There was a job of the hut right. Why you're experiencing well what you meant to me so close to Jabba the Hutt worth it to interrupt the train huh, so it it it really. You don't know later I go back and think later you romanticize, because you're only remembering the little I agree as things are happening. So that's why? But there's something that that's interesting. That happens. I would say So when I wrote about all these experiences, the fax started to shift kind of like icebergs and a new thing kind of emerged. I sometimes say that, like alternative facts, I know it's it's. I don't think politicians are

doctors or mathematicians should employ these sort of tactics. There is something kind of mythic that goes on where I'm writing a story that inspired on what happened. But what happens is we make all these things that are far funnier, far more interesting, their height and height but then they end up being potentially even more true, like I'm like really getting divorced. It's all underwater. You know what I mean it's very slow and it sad and there's a great over an indie movie? In that way, we're trying to obviously make a very funny show and a very true show, so we heighten things so like there's an episode where my wife tells my parents like what's been happening, that she's leaving and all this stuff, and that's not at all like what happened in real life in real life. It was a couple phone calls. You know what I mean it was like. It was boring, but then I'm like,

but that's what it felt like and that's when I get excited was so shallow right is more true than what was because, like the expression of the art, actually has the undertones of the reality of right happen, because what, rather than the details, what you're? doing is you're mixing and swirling my memory of this room in the wallpaper in Java, the Hut MIRA, Jesus Christ and you're looking back and you're actually assigned different value, but a value, none the less on your misinterpretation and your feeling about what it was you're, you're you're, conveying the experience again, the details are almost accidental and that's right not as important as conveying it's fun to see real things are not doing a documentary. It's a scripted right, you're at least semi scripted. I would imagine we did a lot of improv but a lot. I actually watched the preview or what are the trail and I'm like oh wow, every joke that made this trailer like a three minute. Trailer was an improvised joke or something that we all thought of on this. That's what's so great. Is that

it's. You know you're in the moment much better and, and things are coming out. You know when you can cut down that line between the waves, how you express something in it coming out, yeah, sometimes the most truth. Things happen because there's no filter to censor yeah and when you're writing your kind of constantly censoring yep and but when you're in when you're. In that moment, you're feeling yeah you're, not writing your communicator yeah. That's so funny. Sometimes I'd be with an actor and I'm I I don't have that much experience with acting, but if someone seem nervous I would just be like just just talk to me right like that was always the advise, because that's what somebody said to me. They were just like just talking about the experience that you have doing, your podcast is so insanely valuable in so many ways that I think you don't realize until my my real world conversations with people are so much better. Now like when I went on my first date with my wife. My lady is not my wife, it was. It was really great because I sort of had this skill set. Hadn't planned on

I had this amazing conversation that I know was based around the fact that I learned how to talk to people from doing hundreds of episodes of a podcast. That's funny trying to tell you that, like clicks and merges with that perfectly and it just sort of cut through all the chit chat- and you know we talked about very real things yeah. If I I would go on if I were not madly love Valerie. I would go on a date and try and find someone who had done the work of figuring out who they are and how to bring it out quickly and truthfully, I think that's really great something that happened in the show is there's one of the things I'm proud of stuff with the show is that my life like right now, I'm sitting with you guys- and I love both of you guys and I don't see you that often and that's how life and that's a life, but we take these over there once in awhile and shootings pop up real tech. You know like game change or what that's right exactly a lot of game change, that's which is awesome, but then, like we capture that Spirit on the show so see Tj Miller, he's on the show and then he's in a little in the next. Maybe don't see him rest of the season or like how Matt and I are on the show

like you did not have time to be on her show Christmas: put it on main I'll deflect anything about yeah. I think so. What I learned like the show was about becoming comedy. Duos with whoever was in the show and Jed, it's so funny Jedi friends, and we also have a working relationship and I think he doesn't want to blow too much smoke and then we'll do press and then I get these little compliments you're like. Oh, that's how that's what he likes about that one of the things he likes about the show is we did the pilot with Artie Lange who kills at an art is in the rest of the show from not every but from here and there and then Jed was like, but whoever PETE is in the scene or the episode with that becomes its own kind of comedy duo. 'cause, I'm going to adapt, I'm a people, pleaser

the listener. I know I yammer a lot, but I'm also listening and paying a lot of attention and that's why it's fun. What's it like being with Sarah, it's a completely different PETE. The fundamentals are the same. It's not like. I start talking in a jamaican accent. That would very good. Are you saying beer can or Baker? That's right. One of my favorite things: thing works with anybody. I was having my mom go. I was saying, did my mom say beer can, in a british accent via con, Bacon Jamaican, but it was fun see that conveyed in life. I love shows where it's like a guy with three friends and you're like areas with George and that's how Jerry is George and Kramer and all these things, but like to see a bunch of different episodes. With completely right on the heels of you know, card on the hot. You know I don't know how, but you know Lou

in Marin and she was like well, let's just let's do a single camera approach of sort of a heightened version of this guys Ruth is reality right and I think those shows- and so did you would, when you were pitching this show, did you sort of feel like I don't want it to be. I don't want the comparisons to be made, but obviously this is a format. That's happening right so, but as as some Who watch is a lot of comedy? I feel like? Oh well, everyone has a very specific point of view and that's what makes the show different. But how was your approach right? You know it's funny, I started doing my podcast. They were well that's just like Mirren's podcast, and I said but it'll. Be me well yeah. Well, you don't stand up well yeah, but there are other standups and that being said Lewis and Mariner huge tastemakers and podcasting, especially, I think, has changed the cultural taste of wanting the whole person like we want You know every detail it stand up is far more personal and it needs to be,

everybody sharing most of the asinine things about their life. You need the artists in the performers to go deeper and dig deep. That's, certainly what Luis I'm a big fan of Lewis and the show Louis and Mary, and does as well who I also love, but the thing is like we knew. Show was similar in some ways to Louis, but by virtue of infusing it with my faith, my divorce, the type of person I am, we knew, and it did that the show would come out very, very done. I wonder if in some senses basket is kind of weird the autobiographical, Zak yeah, what's funny like I, I see parallels when I watch Lord of the rings and like this is like my life. You know what I mean, so it doesn't have to be literal, like I remember, is like when they're coming. Booker who had what it. What are you seeing is the time you through a ring and fire lake or road on the trees back, that's a lot like getting doors, and you got to do something with that. I actually thought about hacking, my ring into the ocean. But the ring is a terrible thing to Huck.

The hole in the Middle EAST Jonah was shooting in Reno for Hidden America, a met this guy, and this guy skull ring on and was married three to is really The guy was married three times divorced three times had all of his rings met melted into a skull coming out of of the Jaina. Yes, and in his mind he was like this is going to remind me of what that was like, and it was like cool the the birth of death. So, like I come out with nothing just my bones, yeah. It's a rough rough estimation of, but I think you know in terms of in terms of you know you asked about staying grounded. I think it is not being so goal of result. Oriented goals are good because they provide a target in a pathway, but it's about

you know like it's, it's it's making it more. Experience really is, like you know doing I like doing at midnight last night, Kevin kneeling was on its own. I ever yeah managing a time where Kevin Kneeland well willingly come play with me on my thing, and so it's taking that moment to go I'll. I don't know how much more success, no matter, how may need it like not monitored anything else, how more success. I could possibly how much more certainty. Ladies, do then to be in the AIDS professionals place situation with a man that I have respected for a considerable chunk of my life yeah. You know it's two things. It's it's one, there's there's Bruce Springsteen advice, piece of advice. Here we get ready now he just goes out when something good happens, go and get an ice cream, and I do that like when the pilot got picked up, we went and got some vegan ice cream, which was very good. It's not really a Joan Jett. Don't it was ice ice caps, you got you got frozen, What you got

We went out and add to celebrate any further vegetable. We on a frozen vegetables card in in the dish knows where they keep the cardboard in these dishes. That would be perfect for that, but we did that. I sugar is vegan. I like to remind people like it was still great, so we ate that and you know we kept the receipt. We hung it on the fridge and that's nice to remember the time that Kevin Nealon was on the show, but I on it you know it is a great idea. I confuse myself for you for a second, You know what would you like? You know when I was hosting singled out? I just couldn't I just love being drunk in my love and great, but I now I it's such a cliche, but I think part of becoming a grown up is Realizing it's hearing the truth. For the first time in cliches, you hear them your whole life and then you're cool with the food talking about

then you get older and you're like it really is it's not the destination? It's the journey and, like I think of those things is like little signposts along the way they can help us look back and feel find and maybe even encourage us right to keep going 'cause. No matter how great are exciting your life. Is we all wake up in the same boat? Where were like this again someday? like this again in some days like this again right. It's just like what a drag we were talking about Do you watch a movie and people like eat, and then they go out solve problems and then there's a complication they overcome learn. Then they got a bad. You know like she had that's when I'm doing it like you're kind of stuck in this thing, but we can find these paths in these flows to be, and it helps with that initial hurdle that we face every morning I- and I, and I know a building on that- I think adult is about accepting responsibility. I think it's about accepting responsibility either for years for your actions when you have good days when you have bad days when you're nice to people when you're addicted people it's building up to,

whatever it is surrendering in and and basically saying, like. You have a human, and I did this, and this thing was great. I did it and it's I because I think it's. I think you should take responsibility for when you do good thing even when you do bad things. I agree that goes back suffering in a way. That's we're very deliberate, and I I always love to thank you for giving me the platform to launch. You made it weird and it's been so important to measure. Well, you did all the work, you did it, I sure did work hard at it, but you know I am grateful, but the idea, was because of that, but why you're remembering that remember when Chelsea He was going to be your co host. Oh my god and then she didn't do it 'cause. She just didn't want to leave her apartment. Didn't want to drive to Nerdist Everyday, but, like my like, when people tell you that's what they who they are. Believe them. I mean she's, not so great, but she was like. I don't want to drive us, you know, and and and her everything for her worked out great also be sure and she's doing it, but it was a good, but it's kind of funny to look back like that seems like something that might be hard to do applied

right around that sort of attitude, but obviously tells is the best, going to say. Oh, we leave the mistakes in that something that I try really hard to remember. Episode. Where you know, I said, and I didn't know I I just thought that was like a slang like calling a police officer cop out right, transvestite, you caller tree in yeah. I know you don't do that they absolutely not How do I learn that it was from the mistake, and then people kindly corrected me, but then I you know, felt like. When is shame useful, when is it good to be like? Oh, I flunked out Bush right Bobcat, but the idea, like recently I confuse Michael Patrick Duncan Michael Clarke Duncan Ving Rhames and we had a discussion on the air as to whether or not we should leave it in 'cause. It's a thing: it's not just mistaking peoples mistaking to black. One and it's in the murder of a much bigger big issue about race relations, and then we just talked about it and instead of going there's just so much

polish and horse ship. This is why I think it's in the ballpark of suffering that we go like. Let's leave in some of the blame it it's totally possible to edit the podcast will that's also down to fifteen hi. Sixty minutes, that's also human. It is when you will want to have an experience that you had that you recognize that it was an issue and came away from it. Learning right, ok, well! This is why this is and if people want to eat it and I uh cheap, too close of an eye on the chatter. But if people want He didn't kick it around and regurgitate in by prophesies and and debate and discuss. That's great! That's getting us talking about what a trip, because I don't buy it. Even the nicest person makes mind. Well so I just it's just unfortunate that it's unfortunate that forgiveness is

click bait. Do you know what I mean like really nice? It's like I just saw. This whole thing happened with the movie, a dogs purpose yeah, and I have no stake in this movie. To me, the movie looked super in. All the dogs take yeah, it's just it's just like ok, the dog coming back to you, you know you know how you like seeing a dog die in the movie. Watch him do it over and over, like it just felt so to me it looked like. Oh, this is a panda re, heavy handed yeah, but so I have no no stake in this game at all, but videos came out on the internet, and people were very upset about the golden retriever about whatever Hatcher in jeopardy and uh and so Gavin Polo who is the producer of the movie, wrote this really long piece of Hollywood reporter, where he said look I'm here is you know I claim my as a producer on this movie. I claim my part in what happens so he wasn't trying to shirk responsibility. Yep, but he said here's what the click

Maybe people did not explain to you, and this is the entire story, and I'm sorry this happened, but this is. This was cut together in this way. To present this idea, one dog that was shown in one trailer was a CG dog, and you know it's unfortunate that because you have to remember like with the clickbait stuff, they just want. Write, your emotions are being manipulated. So you will leave comments and traffic and that doesn't seem to bother. Even though that's the most offensive thing right is manipulating people for that's the next thing. Actually sorry, but he, but his point was in other people in the comment. Threads were like. Thank you for explaining this. It's unfortunate that this won't be a headline on a lot of those site added just wanted. The quick hit is not iraqi using it's, not it's! Not as you see now. I don't know. If what he was saying is true or not. I don't know if the way was printer sure that, but it did sort of highlight the fact that it's unfortunate the don't really care like someone might take the store you had about confusing to actors and go. Let's make a thing out of it: yeah,

Oldcastle PETE home. He don't want boy. Carter show right because that's again moral, rounding, it allows us to feel like we're doing something. It allows us to there's an acceptable amount of anger, release yeah, but waiting voiced out, but in the end, if it came out like you know, it was an honest I think he was sorry about it. He didn't mean he learned from. It will never happen again. Yeah a fraction of the people that were angry would go hey man thanks for owning up the recipe I've already moved on in their minds their outlook and deck and that right now- and so it's unfortunate that that that, as a society, we're not more forgiving of people making human mistakes when they when the intention is not to like you're feeling the weight of a lot of things that you didn't do as opposed to just like hey. You know, sometimes we've a cup, and sometimes Well that's what miss and as long as you take responsibility for those things, and this happened, I fuckedup

Sorry about it! I genuinely I'm sorry, I didn't even go there both balls. You just got like right in fact that yeah, that that was a mistake, I'm embarrassed and you try to learn from it and move on. But when that gets polished out of ball? I think we're losing you losing your shadow, I'm interested in the shadow like walking with my shadow, I like talking to it and acknowledge it, look at reconstructive surgery like everyone, morphing into some weird blow up doll because they're trying well sure you know it's like yeah, but the, but the lines mean you've lived in those make yeah interest area, not having a perfectly. You know a great dad native Americans they were at, and wise person ever wish to be younger. We just have this this is also a ram Dass idea. It's like we have this idea in our culture that when the leaves turn red we have to go out and, like

the green, it's like right nothing's happening here, but when you're, when everything around you is dying and being regenerated dying in very general, when you're, would you rather how many more special moments of you had when you have a set where you nail everything exactly the way you intended it to versus something happens. A the mm falls off someone yeah everything happens in the audience? You stumble over something you knock something over and then that becomes such like the most special because it's yeah. It was part of the shared experience that makes it unique. You know it's ok, so this goes back and I don't I'm not trying to convert you on this point. This goes back to me sometimes asking for suffering doing a set. Sometimes I might have nice role and it feels great and you could just keep going, but it's sometimes nice to stop and you go to zero and then you just like this is what we would miss. If this were on tv, this moment would be edited right and you go and then I always say this is the only part of the show ular

That's it and I'm right. I remember those myself, I'm causing tension to feel alive. It's ok, to say that I don't think it's good to wish for some suffering, but when you receive it, it's a gift. Yeah there you go. I just think that semantics. I think, when we say a. I don't look at prayer as a list of things. You'd like I look at prayer, is just kind of more like contemplation. I guess and do you view you know you're, you know what you have left of your religious beliefs, yeah our. How do you view? How do you you would do you sort of do you when you are praying or when you're you know, when you're expressing something are you expressing it to the universe? Is it specifically a is it's been? a God construct. Is it specifically uh? What is it yeah now I I try to you know it's funny. Religion means, like Liggio, comes

Ligament Henry ligament. It's like reattaching, this brilliant point that again I'm going to the same people 'cause. I love like five same people. They talk about religion being anything that unifies religion. Everybody says I'm spiritual, not religious, and I know what they mean. Let's say that, but I would also That's our definition, I'm deeply religious, I'm into love over fear, I mean to connection the June of religion that we have now, as essentially spirituality with politics, attach your exam and I think that's sort of the common the accept- and I don't mean to all I ever- simplify and and and tell anyone faith isn't why I just mean it's kind of like a man's rules, there's an infrastructure with each religion, I'm going to quote bono. Are you ready? He goes, religion is the church after Jesus leaves like so Jesus leaves the Temple. That's what's in his deeply religious he's deeply religious he's, not he's saying spirituality. Is

only when Jesus was in the temple. Talking to you and everybody knows what that feels like, even if you don't add a narative to it, which is what a lot of mystics and people like me like to do. Tell you what's happening when what it means, even if you're just a hardcore material. It's you know when when something is flowing when something feels real and it resonates in a way it's a little bit outside, of your reason that it doesn't get. Transit, doesn't take the later down well to your language, and you go like well It's really cool, I'm not even talking about miracles. I'm talking about moments with people get snapped into things and that's kind of what I'm out. I don't. I used to be like really like, oh there's, Would you believe in a man in the sky, and now I'm kind of like you can take whatever? metaphor you'd, like I do like that, never killed anybody. Over a metaphor, there's something a little bit removed from it. You go. This is my method and it's ok to box your method and fight your method, and it's ok for your method

You too, like I, I've, been saying a lot lately, like my church, my church saying it from you know a short stamp when I was like. Oh it failed me, it blew, it wasn't. True, wasn't real, but it's kind of like those hits that it gave Maine like the Leonard Cohen Song, or how the light sorry to get in, like the losing of the faith and the suffering through the betrayal of your method is all part of the myth. Is that right? Yes, of course, like it's kind, like. Oh, you learn these things, and then you learn that there may be literally true or maybe this was this, and this was switching this, which I didn't know. That the game was so well constructed that for the for the diligent there's still a path through all that bullshit to something that's actually authentic, I'm praying praying to awareness, I'm praying to the same awareness

and you that's in me and it's in everything that's everywhere, and I'm really trying to trip out on that idea that it's one thing thing: it's alright, because I had a very you know. My brain was catholic, mom's italian Catholic. Are you watching young poop? I'm not yet, but I will makes me want to gather my Myra to had a catholic upbringing there's I I want to wear these clothes yeah cat like is off, but it's sort of that. You know that that construct to me, you know so much of it. When I reflect back just feels like you, it felt like in the early days, religion was sort of an outcropping of as of obsessive, compulsive disorder. Where there was it, you know it's like. If I perform the series of rituals, I will be okay. If I use Standard Kneeland, standing kneeling, say this and check this and chant this everything will be okay. If I watch my hit, you know yeah and I don't say that to be little anyone's faith, but I it but it but to me that you know that those rules don't seem

to me like it. That's where I kind of have a hard time with the critical thinking versus the well. How do I read? How would I reconcile that doing all these things may it's all of that. Okay, just like trying to control an uncontrollable world, and so how do you? So that's why? I ask because I'm sure that there are people who say well, I feel like there's something bigger, but I also feel like I it's difficult for me to accept something that I can't see and touch and feel never not, in touch and experience in that way right. So how do I you know? I guess it's advice for people who feel maybe on fans. How? How do you? How would you express that idea of like reconciling both of those things? I I I really do when I look at somebody who is like that's not for me. I was right that you have that's not for me. I wasn't right. I was raised that way, but I don't I rejected now.

Then I see somebody else still in the cathedral: chanting, the lords prayer or whatever. I just see two versions of the same thing, playing it out in different ways. Sure ideally you're, both looking for truth, We know what truth feels like and we know what love feels like and we know when we're, saying we're on our authentic paths or whatever, doesn't really matter to me to me it's about what gets you there right. I think! No God is. It is a great god. You get like the Buddhists meditating con like the void. You know what I mean so when people like, I don't have a god, I'm like that's a great way to think about it, we're all just trying to get where the juices and, if snaps into the moment without some sort of story, something watching something judge, something adding meaning and value to things. I would say about the people that are chanting, something that I never understood. I used to pray because I was like this. This will come true, like a wish right, Aladdin style.

And now I know I mean I was tight, speaking tight. What are you doing later is where he a lab, and it was all writers because for a second there I thought you were doing it Bonnell. This is not a I'm buying a genie, but a lens out now you can say like repeating something over and over. I did it this morning is very calming to your prefrontal cortex it it just that's down the over analytical part of your mind and gives you a deep sense. I also do think there is value in putting something into the physical universe that was in your head, whether that be writing it down whether it's a goal, whether it's an emotion or whether it's something that cluster fact like we are in the like the secret, but I just mean in terms of being able to change something from a series of chemical reactions in to like this is Manta I'm. This is a real thing, a real thing that I want to strive for. Yes, what I was gonna say that, because of I guess, we're in the age of reason- and I love it

they gave me my phone and gives as bridges and gives us vaccine. I don't think we're in the age of reason at all and am our eyes. I agree with you, but you know what I'm saying I'm saying outside of all that stuff. You can't take away that we go to the moon. I don't mean that from a political standpoint I mean, I think there are more people now that are not reason that there again crass reality. That's actually my point: we've lost our great mythologies and I'm not saying we need to go back. We used to have story is for everything and they weren't literally true, so we threw them away, and now we are a depraved society and I don't mean religiously bankrupt. I mean we don't have as good of places that were taught to us by elders around campfires. That's the cluster fuck.

We've done so good at splitting atoms and all that practical stuff, but we've lost that ability to appreciate things. The man in the symbols like Young's buckets like we love a tree, beating meaning to external things, were always trying to hey. I made this clay ashtray and that's what it feels like inside of me right like we're, so lost internally and we're doing pretty good externally, and I think it has a big thing that, like look at that, like native american culture, was a thriving beetle think deeply deeply mythical a lot of oral traditions and stuff. That is why I am fasting with people like Joseph Campbell that are like, we've lost like I. Even this isn't a vegan thing, but we've lost a narative to reconcile how everything we eat is living. You know, even if its plans, and that I think that adds to a certain feeling of uneasiness in everybody, all the time subconsciously

and then capitalism and the poor and the marginalized and everybody so we need to have stories that can help end. Stories to process things, because I process, I think two hundred They go. You had a much different life. You be. You know you didn't travel very far. You are kind of in your own little thing right and tell it to Moses saying right two hundred years ago, I believe the earth is one hundred years old and I don't I don't know if I made that clear prove it prove it. Otherwise. I think that you know a part of I think religion is, stories that we need to understand things that we don't understand yeah, and so I see that happening now, because I was the the the the internet has essentially localize what was previously a go Global community is now everything is a local community and there's so much to process

and, like I said earlier, it's like sorting and shifting and short cutting and sorted without seeing all the facts that people also need to weave stories. Like there's someone there so much more, the theory now and I you know like you did, the the stupidest example is. You know like when something happens on walking dead that people don't like. I look at the message board the people go. We know why this happened, because the network said this in in this person said this and they told the creator and they're just trying to, and it's like none of it's true yeah, but they need to leave or, like you know, with with the way the election turnout's like. Well, here's a million reasons why this that people need to set up? Why don't story, whether or not it's true to understand, to try to process anything There is no, I don't know button right and I'm not saying that we couldn't write our own stories. I'm saying I'm agreeing with you completely and something is lost when the old people aren't telling us the stories that help them get. The opiates, like you, guys, reflect exactly because they were probably starved

quickly as well and that's what's so strange. Is this story? It's not like? Oh I, need to brush my teeth. I need to get enough water and food like one of the fucking, weird things being stuck inside of these machines. Whatever you want to call him. This is a Westworld plug by the way, but being stuck in these machines. We have actual tangible needs that have four story or symbol for art. For expression that have tangible repercussions, if you don't meet those needs, one of them is a disregard for the environment like that would be happening less. If we in a society that had terms like mother earth- and you know Now- that's like hippie bullshit- that used very normal to go. This is the This is our mother. This is important. This is what we do for this is why we don't kill all the buffalo right we don't build factory, farms and slaughter pigs by the thous

and throw a how many of the what we're just you know, there's a there's a it. You know at one point we're focused on things that were very big okay, yeah world around them and I feel like it now small were also driven by our own egos. You know all you know social media whatever's, it's all such eats. All ego driven, even I think, when people are angry about thing that's a cause again. Moral high grounding most of the time I feel like that's more their own egos, because I think when people really care about something I held up my sign every time I saw a camera at the women's March is like there a guy with a big lens, I'm going to go viral. At least you admit that, but I think I think you know I think, when people really care about, and I'm not applying this to the to the March. I'm talking talking about like online with people get very angry about stuff and their first response is anger. I sort of feel like you

I want to be angry and that's an ego pursuit, because if you really care about this thing, you would be having a conversation that social media doesn't lend itself to conversation. So that's another self to emotional outburst yeah. We can throw shade more. So how do we say? Ok, you and I don't agree on something. You tell me why you feel the way you do. I will tell you the way I feel. Can we find common ground or, if not, at least it respectfully say. Well, I completely don't agree with what you're saying, but at least we're human beings that we can go away without having to rip each others eyes out. You know it's funny that it goes back to your question to me about what I believe now there's a a valuable thing in when you see it, when you start seeing God in everyone, you know, I mean it. It's the idea that when I'm talking and listening to you, you have more compassion, more understanding and a little bit of a zoo. Doubt perspective where you're, just like there's main there's, if I was raised this way in this way in the right. I look back. I was I just heard republican because I thought that's what Christians did so I turned 18I.

Just heard Republican. I don't even remember how I voted or if I voted, but I probably would have voted Republican for that. First, young election just because I was uninformed, informed and didn't know and everybody I knew was like look. This is about pro life or pro choice is about dying, children or, however, it was sold to me. So I was like, of course you vote Republican. So when someone I'm not very political, I'll tweet, something like don't, you feel like the country needs a safe word like I still kind of I feel like it's so ridiculous that I'm just waiting 'cause. I want to be like those are comments on humanity and not so much about yeah. That's true, but I've been I'll post like a quote from Trump. I don't even comment on it and then people will lash out at me and it's easy. That's not religious, that's not unifying. If I go, this guy says fuck you and I'm like well fuck, you. I see it all as the same thing, here's a better

for the day after Trump, when I was a male down, I was doing a show in there some backstage and she was having basically a meltdown, which I understand, we're all traumatized a lot. Traumatized didn't very well, and now we have to do a comedy, show and she's acting like you know. The world was going to end and I said now the air isn't on fire, we're all still here we're going to figure it out and she was like. The terrorists are going to test him. The terrorists are going to test. And in that moment I was like. Oh. If Hillary had won, and if I was in a room in a red state like a deeply conservative state, we I've been comedians or whoever people having coffee, panicking and saying the terrorists are going to test her sure the terrorists are going to test and that was just a good moment to be like. Yeah, like it's all happening for all these unique perspective.

Like software, this another rom, nothing we're all in these things, and you have your awareness and that's kind of like what we haven't your dna, your conditioning, the way you were raised in your experiences are your software and it keeps changing how you behave. But essentially we're all the same, and that's the thing that talk about a thing that you Your whole life sure you don't believe it until your wives, but that that that is kind of brought me back to the well. I I you know. Sometimes I sometimes I really would like to sometimes I say to myself: what's too bad, I don't have religion because I you know it's certainly with been addicts brain I obsess over dumb things like I create drama over my new things. And I know a lot of the time I'm full of be. You know, I know, I know that I am, and I said to my wife like I know I'm full of you know like that. I just I stopped going on social media when I'm around her, because if something affects me, I know that my brain. I know that I'm not involved

off to go, and I don't know that person is not here now less and it creates an and it, and it makes me less of a good partner to her. She doesn't deserve that like she's, just there to be goodness and light and happiness, and I should be goodness and light and happiness for her and not like fanning that stupid stress. So I know you know. I know what my you know. I know what a lot of my questions are. I think it's so lovely, like old PETE, would have to sit here and quietly hope that you would come to Christ right, and that was a burden. Repeat or read, and I really mean young people, and that was a heartbreaker for Maine, and now I you know Richard. Where is somebody I keep bringing up? He talks about like if a brain surgeon going around healing and saving children he's like yeah what it would be cool if he got leave the glory to God afterwards right, but either way. That's God's work. So when I hear about you just like me

struggling with your neuroses, and you actually set a very relatable example I'll be with Val, who is light and love and joy and I'll see something on line that makes me grumpy like what am I doing right that wasn't religious, Unified wasn't reuniting us, you know what I'm saying so I look at you and I don't have the burden I go mean you're doing the same thing? A lot? You know that we're looking for that feeling we're looking for peace. I would really I used to be chasing salvation and now I'm chasing a type of freedom like I don't want to be right. I wanna be free right. That makes sense. Can I interest you both in a called Dianetics X, actually isn't bad, it's another way to get a ride with him. You don't know that. That's not! I haven't read Dianetics and I don't live here, but if you love the movie, the master like I'd you only did you see the master

Oh good, ok, Ptn! It's not! I don't think it's one of those movies that people like you didn't see it, but it's so good. Loosely based on Scientology are pretty heavily based book. One was the one that hippies loved business people who was a huge best seller, it, was essentially like a retelling of basic common sense self help with some fun self hypnosis stuff in there right? again, I'm so afraid of of that kind of group and all the documentaries and I'm obsessed with cults. And I love I love the dirty stuff, but There was a time like Seinfeld talked about taking Scientology courses when it was just I right, a lot of these like meditating mushroom taking they went after those people and then book two comes out and book two kind of changes, everything and that's what the master is about. I mean there was something that I wanted to bring up, but I just need to backtrack a little bit to get my train of thought. 'cause. There's it's ok million things fired off in one direction and now we're talking about dying there was talking about. I was talking

You know obsessing over dumb things and not being a good partner, because obsessing over dumb things was, you saying I wish I had religion. Sometimes I had religion sometimes, so I could let all of that go. You know yeah yeah. I would maybe help you remember so, sing to me and rom dos is a huge teacher, I know what it was. So sorry glad came back. I feel, like my Janelle. This is going to sound, so wishy washy. So I apologize for the way this sounds it's sometimes it's difficult. You know you can't match all of your emotions into a couple of words. Yeah sure, uh. That was the subtitles. It's not that I have faith in. It's not that I have faith in a religion. What I feel like I want to have faith in his human. And I don't just mean like made all the people get together- love each other. I mean like like really being human being in

making mistakes forgiving each other, I'm trying to understand someone else's story. Even if I completely don't agree with anything that they say. Because, honestly, there are liberals who are douchebags and there are republican. Who are nice, people right. You can't like this idea were with it so binary where it's like you got to be all this are all are and if you don't agree with people that seem to think, if you don't agree with a hundred per then what they agree with fuck you you're the enemy. That's why I don't subscribe to that. I believe, like there's humanity and everyone in everyone's trying to do what think is better, but that's why my fantasy is always even if I see the least relatable, let's say Donald Trump, the least double person to I mean literally like yeah, the guy that was like every only in every 80s movie, be like in revenge of the nerds like. If the alpha beta is one in the nursery yeah, I guess we just lost our house exactly, but so takes that you don't that I personally don't relate to. I haven't had this fantasy for Donald Trump, my fantasy is always given LSD and just like

very specific and play some sweet, music and I'll be like it's about hold a press conference and apologizes. So that's like like like how the one guy from uh mad men like does not trips, and then he has a completely. I just also sterling yeah. I have been a lot of people. I would love it if I could guarantee that out, because Karen killed and I can go Here- Laurie Kill, Martin did my podcast and she was like it probably be like we need to build a wall to keep these gnomes out, which is really fun, trying to take a cold yeah. This is my pot of magical world, You're saying Trump is the most precise fantasy is always if I was stuck on a deserted island with them, or on a long road trip with them. Just take somebody let's take trump out of it, 'cause it's just too too much, but if it's somebody that you really disagree with an almost- reissue fine, now you're on an island, and it's just you two together,

you feel like that's why we love stories, movies and books about that unlikely, odd couples, seeing if you could shed all of society and all of I'm saying we're straightening, each others costumes and believing everything is very real and how dare Molly say that to you, if you could put all that aside and just be two people together, everybody knows you'd find some way to get along right, it's the game. That complicates everything. So Emily Gordon had a great answer when I was like what is do you she said when you see someone like on a bicycle or something Getty get knocked over by a car hang on before you start use of the door after US guys to not be talking right there hey we're recording in here. Can you guys do you mind, keeping it down just a hair? I'm so sorry! So sorry, I have no idea what they're doing oh she's, Emily Gordon. When I asked her about God, she said when somebody gets knock

after bicycle by a truck or something, and then a group of strangers gather around in someone's calling nine one one. Someone is helping the guy someone Frank, is consoling the guy in the truck who didn't see the bike. That was God her. So it reminds me of your answer. Yeah. None of us know, you know what I mean right it's kind of a beautiful thing. You want to talk about human moment, please these guys doing nothing wrong, just talking outside the door but this moment where I'm super locked into you over there like hey. Can you not do that like? Why would I expect that they would know that standing outside. They shouldn't be talking in the open air, and so that was a perv example of a moment where I just had like a dykehead moment like this, is why it instead, because I could have said, hey so sorry, do you guys mind if you read it, but I'm like hey come on, because I'm so walked in on what you're saying. I did not expect the politeness, enerji and so yeah now, Google, Paula Gys. I don't know

I'll go together? I think you're, okay, why reconciliation feel so good. That's one of the instincts that we have in ITALY. It's really fun! Allen's and they love it, and it's and and I'm saying that to him, when you don't have it it sort of feels like there's poison in the world here's one of the things that blew my mind, I forget who said it it doesn't really matter. I guess it. Matters should Harrison was George Harrison. It wasn't. But someone said hey, it is a lack of imagination and I think that's brilliant. So it's like when you really hate somebody. Let's say I hate my imaginary friend Dan 'cause he's an asshole anybody that takes time to dans reality like not just empathy but compassion, really employing your writer for the Goldbergs brain and thinking about what their life might be like, and you can do this with Trump Trump is tricky. But you can do it for anybody that you're mad at you realize that you're just not working hard enough. David Foster Wallace in his speech

He gave us amazing. Graduation speech for a college call dumb. This is water, I believe, What is water? I think it's. This is water and he tells the story well being on the highway and being pissed off at all the s. U V's cutting him off, and then he writes his beautiful couple pages about how he had to check himself because he doesn't know that woman. Dad rudely cut him off might be new to the s. U V and the s u v might be all but prescribed to her by her therapist, because she was in a traumatic car act. And she doesn't feel safe on the road and that's what I mean about considering humanity Ann. It's funny that you know. That's God! It's funny that I said, but that's what you say. I I I say a we can use a different word. That's love! That's that's compassion, but it you know its cut and it's also kind of will. So. First of all, for me to say, like I really believe in humanity and then two guys are interrupted thing like hey. Can you not do that? Like they're mad? I didn't. I did use their their high man. Anybody can go both ways when you write great. If you went on they were like you know, I we're we're, I'm your

tricky position and you record no, it's only five, but but- and also so you say God and I go well. That's what you that's your work. I feel like we forget that words fail. Words are such a small part of our experience and I think we often take for granted like. Oh, we all speak the same language yeah. No, we use the same word Sierra everyone speaks in individual language, so yeah, you know. Usually people look, I'm offended that you said blah blah blah. It's like okay, well, you're offended that your problem, because that's your definition of that word yeah. So when you say God, you are picturing love what ever you feel I'm picturing like oh you mean a guy with a beard, yeah and so I go, I don't that's. I get it, and so that's where so much of it is because we even have you know it used to drive me crazy. The philosophy. Majors drive me crazy to see like the like the smoking trench coats outside. Todd Hall, UCLA 'cause, they were always the guys who are you know who would say like

tables the same table that you see. You know- and I think that's so annoying, but it legitimately had such a profound effect on how we communicate because God we put, we put every I put everything you say through my lens and I go. How could you say that? But that's not, but that's not your intention right just my lens, because that's all I have yeah, Everybody is a mirror, so just bouncing back. What's already going on, and so the Good NEWS is that we figured it all out like oh listen to these two white guys with money boy for all the advice you unrelatable Twatt's, but I do good news. Is that Jason Sklar both loves and hates what that's a deep callback. What did he say verbatim? He said I both love and hate. It actually appreciate it in a weird way Well, I'm sure okay, like the exit form them, but he also is like

we're. Not the same guy CI, my lack of imagination. Just another type of empathy. Jose is one of my but to your point, there's a whole bevy of people, and I was one of them for a very long time. God his boot, a christian any of those words, and I was just kind of out. If you want to go through the whole journey with me, you just have to start it up. It said one of the podcast and then you can be that guy and come to potentially, if you follow me need not like follow me, but if you go on the same route as I do suddenly you just go like I'm fine. These are the words that this is. The vocabulary was handed. That's why I think like, and I don't mean to be an advocate for psychedelics, but when you take mushrooms, You have a profound feeling of there's no way to explain this so, but it's a chemical reaction I understand I'm not saying it's anything else, so I know, but I mean that. Doesn't that create like afterwards sort of like why it's hard for me to talk to drunk,

Well, this isn't a real experience, because you you've you've buffered it with a fake thing to stimulate a certain part of your that wouldn't be stimulated otherwise, and so none of this is actually real, because it's it's well, that's interesting. That is assuming that the way that the brain I yeah, I don't agree with you the way that the brain functions normally is what we consider real double. I I yeah I mean it's and it's not fair for me to put my definition and everything, but I didn't isn't it interesting to for a moment like you're annoying smoking, trench coat friends go like this is this is the this is what we say. We don't see violet rays, we don't see microwaves, all these things, that we keep covering that are real, that we're not seeing so then you take something like mushrooms and you're like wow. This is insane whether or not a valid experience or, however, we want to categorize it. It is valuable to me, because you go this like a religious experience like a rap. Dress experience, whether it be music or sex, or something that happened

in the ocean that just really movie. I thought I saw well once it was completely whale once and it was completely transcendent. It was not speakable Did you but it's valuable to have experiences where language, you because you realize just how incomplete speaking is the swirls the weirdness of who you are we're both doing our best to convey that to bring the outside the inside out, but it always comes up short. It's like you know. I just wrote this any other day. It's like finding a shiny stone in the water and then by the time you carry it to your beach. But it's all dry and it just looks like a fuckin' rock, but when you saw it was wet and shiny and amazing, that's what always trying to do you have these experiences. You have these feelings, you have these emotions, it's insane and then you're, given five colors,

I'm horny? Exactly exactly how your scare we have our naval immaterial limited. We have a limited capacity to process and re Express' the world around us and even remotely understand it, and when, when I say you know really, you think about it. You know you're staring at that color to the color of those shelves. I've legitimately have way of knowing yeah. If you, if I go well, that's like a blue gray. I have no idea of what that concept means to you so, I think you know, in the pursuit of manatee an inner pursuit of trying to understand people tried, stand their language first yeah. I understand what they understand, what they mean like understand. What medians are good examples of that when saying like as a breaking your balls or something could be perceived as loving, you know the right leg of Bill Burr makes Fun I'm like bill. Burr knows my name. I just think that's like a cool thing, but people are walking around with different vocabularies and there's some people. My father is one of them. That goes. I don't give a ship,

great to like I'm, not trying one of the great things talk about freedom that I'm looking for in my religious worldview. Isn't the reason to accept things as they are, instead of necessary anyway. I need to change, is about my father. My father is a guy who doesn't give a shit. How do you know what I see is red is what you see is red there is a way that that's annoying. So I understand the people that are like I'm out. I just kind of want to that's how I was college now that I'm older, I sort of feel like oh yeah yeah, and there are experiences that we have that question that make you question: how is it and that's why I love stories about like miracles in India, like you still here, like this guy lived in a cave for like seven years and he didn't eat, you'll, see it on Facebook. He went to the hospital and he had even all this time, blah blah blah. Whether or not it's true that part of my brain that it tickles is the mental control center. That goes talk about knowing how it is. I know that this is real, you said it yourself, I'm going to leave this room and I'll. Remember this it like a like a burning

tissue paper I'll only have little bits and pieces of it. So israeli, I like talking about what is reality, and I- and I like talking about what we're doing here and like why? That's what you do when you meditate is you're trying to extricate your awareness almost like it's a cloud away from your body and you that's a that's a powerful meditation things to go like I'm now my breath, I'm not my legs, I'm not my hair, so at the pain in my butt, I'm this thing and where could that go so try not to judge people based on how you would do things you know because there, most of the time. People are going to be wrong. If you do that was like well, that's not how I would you know like if you, if you're used to going to if you with diner every day and there's the same over the yeah the same just read the the second on the same server there every day and then he leave there's a new server. You know it's not really fair to go. When they go. You order something in there it differently and you're like well. That's not that's! Not how Alonso did it right

it's, if you know it's like well yeah. Well, this is how this person and you need to not judge them, based on how you see things, but how do that? What do they mean like try to and yeah it's just hard to understand, because we just don't have the ability to process and understand every thing now, because there's just so much of everything, but I do what you can an. I honestly. I have to go to rehearsal, but I do I do we have are doing show I'm just going to talk about Buddhism, but but I will say one thing about that sure it's like when we're clinging to how it should be were missing how it is so go to the diner and there's a different person in a dream. You have a quiet, appreciate, appreciate and even bordering on fascination with how it was instead of. What's And, what's deserved in what's correct, that's why I don't want to be owed or deserved

necessarily, I want to be free, I want to be in fully what is and that to Maine is what it's about and that's the perfect message for the ending of the podcast, which is enjoy your burrito and live in your Yeah keep a crispy enjoy your Christmas joy because you, this was a game changer thanks so much for having the home. I got. I adore you and I and I you at midnight. Of course no. No. I mean right now. I just come on in this shirt yeah, but it's worth on my car, but I'm proud of you and I'm in, and I don't mean that in a condescending way, I just mean I, I love that you were able to come out of an experience, create something new, because it's such a great lesson for hey whatever you think, is the thing that just might have ended your life yeah. Set the table for a thing, that's around the corner and then, if you're able to process it properly and view it properly and learn from it will be the thing that actually you know,

to show you might go? Oh my god. If I hadn't had that shitty experience, I wouldn't have this amazing. Right now. Right so always know. I remember that's how like Malaney with oh hello, he's like this is the most. I've ever had in my entire life and it came off the cancelled sitcom. Well, an I don't know if you know with the podcast with starting the podcast, it was coming off a job that I was devastated, that I didn't get yeah the day after my died. I met the woman that I would eventually marry. I mean it's like you, never know when you're standing in the darkness, you never know you don't have the perspective to see where the light is going to come from, but it's going but it's going to be mean that girl and you just this, is, and we know it truth in love and beauty is you're lost in the woods and when you meet that woman, the day after your dad dies you smell like campfire. You know I mean it's a primal but you're like fuck right. That's that's what me the that's. What I want to be the ambassador joy and chills and see if he doesn't have chills yep

that's what I want to do, and and and PETE Holmes put a dollar sign on the s. Yeah you're you're good to go case is still there for me. Thank you so much February, ninety February, nineteen crashing HBO hope you like it. You can watch my comedy special right now on HBO, which is called faces and sounds fantastic, and you made it weird on the nerd women everywhere to Katie living. Also the pack has met Meyer. Thank you for being here. You're. Welcome, I'm glad I got to enjoy. I love having I love looking across table senior out of you guys get real handy. While I was gone, I'm sorry full of ourselves and with the package has become the net. I satellite you made it weird. You mean more boring in this job during yeah. I guess, if you like it that way, I know what you see is Chris, because what I said it's all one thing: the breeders debris does God now leaving Nerdist DOT

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