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In Bumbershoot like like two thousand ten, I think inflated of wires, clear outline of the podcast and it was like the first. What are the first life? She is right, yeah, I was one of the first live shows. It was at that little theatre, that's part of the Bumbershoot campus. Which is really just that central part of doubt downtown Seattle. How so much find it was really fun, but it's the best you I think David or Dorothy was then I think we did was we pay per may make a man. I don't know he might have been. I mean, maybe maybe he had the show after you guys know you are, ought to show it patent. That was that you did stand upon the same. So we did. You sentiment essentially ass. Well, you didn't those Bumbershoot show, were so much fun. Why have you come back now Ivan either into exits that regular? I dont think they do. I duplicate. No, no, no it, but what has been lacking

Veneer legs, hard infirm govern bono, either be so much as I do that you know that there is very time where is like performing with but the other doers like we performing in the common cords we have some fun like Mary stories about performing at local level to Congress. Well, we did them. There was a festival in Vancouver and we did it with the Concord and like two thousand, for I one thousand five and they put us in a bar. Performs we're performing and above all, sort of head like a shot gun shape to a guy like you ve ever forming an eternal we're everyone's talkin, exactly

and they it was really weird the way they did at the kind of fucked up because they like you, could go of Europe. S vulgar, but I think part of the deal was that they couldn't closed the bar to bar patrons right. Those like. Oh, it's not really so, isn't a festival. So it because we were performing on a band stage. Everyone in the bar, who was not there for the shows, like others, abandon its age. They just talked really loudly over. So I couldn't get the subtleties of pie we already know that, if only like all got, I remember when caning first started. We were we ve written like meaning for five songs and half of them were comedy and half we're just gonna, regular songs, Malaysia. Where do we played we play how many men used? We because we didn't know any other comment. We know anything that is happening, and so we played a couple music. Is it a couple comedy venues and we're like? Oh, it has to have to be comedy because we can't handle people standing so you want, because people are standing up. The kind of the rule is you can talk between songs and that's all.

While our banter and all her company or link between the songs and really go people can't hear us if that's not only because we arrived at the opposite conclusion. After because we started in doing clubs who ends We haven't, we had a couple. Rough shows that clubs and then we realized because our song, this saw us comedy songs unless it's like Stephen right words like Georgia, doktor doktor. They really just kind of a sketch that the audience has to buy into it's got a set up enough to breed little, yet The audience study by the premise of this gas images have to sit here, and so we realise, after touring forbidding clubs. We would much rather be you guys and amusing venue than the music guys and a comedy than you. You think that's funny. We went to the opposite. We did over Europe stuff is more rock n roll? It's more like you have harmonies and like more it's it's it's louder.

We did loud, he may have tiny voices and we can't sing harmony and we ve gotta. You can a guitar, it's very the thing like everything about us dingy, and so it didn't go well with music menus. You also have to as well because our You have to listen to understand the concepts, but your songs. You really have to listen to because you you guys are so hyper articulated in that its very it's like you, really easily miss jobs without end. We go so fast and we're playing live. We just yet. We just speed through it. You miss that you kind of Miss Ashton, we ve, we ve, talked about that. We're like we should like telephone and give it a second but we're like our now and then we never do it. This is not something I can say to a lot of people, but it was an honour being in your hand, jump video. Thank you. Thank you. You were wonderful. I appreciate I was such a funny. Those such a fund, cameo, when you were just like sitting in the ordinary piano, is the first time we like had a person in a video other than us.

Because we're desires playing on the couch and we hand over when we had the crosshairs, recline and yeah, I forget sometimes when you York, you kind of like Youtube kind of like kit started you didn't it, we would not have agreed if it wasn't for you. Do we like we're we're so grateful Youtube and we What was gonna be a thing we when we started on Youtube, we we put Two videos on my couch up, because I was leaving the country for a few months and Kate was going away for a few months and we wanted like our moms to see them. Dozens of we loved aren't you saw what it was like others, this Youtube, you kids like. Oh, should we make it nice input make about. As I know, no one will see it like. Nobody knows about this thing. You know and then, because I didn't know it wasn't really a thing and are Youtube Channel was the first half of my email. It still is our Youtube channels. Ricky wind, it was my fault, I remember he went home, it's not Garfunkel and Oates, and you can't change it. No, I just,

You know like three years and more like a. We have a Youtube channel and its come rikiu it, but my great in all, lower case letters. It stood up, was that there were two thousand. Seventy does need, ok, so that that was cause you to propitiate just two thousand five was one. So she doesn't seven is when it really started turning into like you know, it's not just teenagers make video confessionals in their on their webcam site. It's not just make things like happen for people from lake. When so I left the kind I went to South Africa to fill the movie and Kate had gone somewhere or she went to New York to do something, and then I went to Spain reactors. I've just been gone, so I was gone for maybe four or five, and he called me in Spain and just like soul, the creator of Scrubbs called and he wants to use. One of our songs on Scrubbs and it was like We would have our Youtube's thorny issues like Yup And so he hired Kate to play some part on there.

Like them nurse or something, and she was gonna sing it with this guy and oh yes, just think how much do we charge it was like I mean I don't know. I don't know- and I was like I guess, whatever the minimum is. Unlike we don't have a recording of it. We don't have like. We only have the Greeny Youtube's like they have to record the hotels they just whatever the scale of it as let's just make sure it gets on their cause. We never thought we could sell and then, after that, people started watching our genome. That is fantastic, new still put self upon the YAP. Not that often now not me, haven't been writing songs like since I started another period it's been, which is a tv show, not old and unfamiliar India. It's not. I did it. I had a period last week at another one last week and then isn't another one of its relent, lousy periods of other. That did happen to me once I was when I was doing the Garfunkel and show can Marino isn't seem hallway editing. I think that the bachelor show he was doing all right.

No running of Britain running off and he walked ago has a going river MIKE I'm good just working on another period, news like cool it was even out yet. I don't know why I thought he would know about it and there was no. Not me now may not be met. My actual here in the name of a show- and here is like ok cool, I didn't think I know you well enough for that you're right, but you haven't knowing I put up a video in a while. I want to write more songs, but it's Talking to me that you, like your your work ethic mean, is incredible because I have I mean that's alive, coming from you because you're very kind of you, but you know like MIKE Feminine Ike, MIKE produced Europe albums- and you know we always talk about. How can we really. Which you were really hard to get our to get our comedy central half hour, special, which I think we shot in two thousand and eight and then once we did that we just like pooped out, we were like

I don't know what else to itself. You wait. Fifty songs, you like what's number fifty one like when we didn't write fifty songs, but when he records with you, he was like it's fucking. Unbelief. But what they release an album and, unlike the next Monday there in the studio recording more, actually I'm gonna go get em like, I think, that's all you're supposed to, and we just like. I dont know what others I feel bad for make because I'm I'm like. I think we have a good. We have again. Make you sick, so sweet, and but I feel like I'm like a little psychotic somebody and take it like. You can take, as I feel a little bags am, I I don't know tried again played again played again played again plating, like I'm just like that. Largely to here. I'm just controlling and I know, but I know your brain spends a million miles America's. We had the talk about like what it takes for you to fall asleep. Oh my god. It's a lot of lot. It's it's always like. If I start dating someone, it's a little much too like introduce them to it, unlike so you know like everyone's got like you know, you have your things.

You're like ok, when I'm going to tell the person about those things like that's one amendment mean things like: when are they going to find out that I'm terrible to be in a better? Can you can you data another insomniac or to the other person have two likes sleep there. Anything I'd love to get another insomniac. I never. How really? That would be things than they would totally understand my plate or you might reach other crazy, maybe God ass. We drive each other by the relevant, but it's in all see, Instagram posts about your apartment, and I kind of the evacuated but she was up all night organ, the Apple Bathsheba baggage. Imagine you like it's two o clock in the morning. You like, I want a paint that closet in a closet, green, eventually experimentally, bat, but I've been training myself slink do things that turn

brain off like after a certain, our so I'll, be a watch lake line order or bones or friends or jumping that's just like a make myself sort of being like. What's a cousin, you computer goes on rest, let what sleep mode sleepy asleep, but that's it! That's all going like Greece over mode yeah I'll, go and screen saver about nice relic and try to make myself saying there are placed solitaire on my ipod or my phone mindless kind of wasn't it is it is. It is sort of the blessing the curse of being like a high functioning obsessive, which is you'll, do a proper. Do amazing career things. You'd just won't sleep a whole. Belgium has ever be able to never taken app when people say I level Tommy legalistic enough I've just like. Can you should fly home like I just like. I can guess brow wings, radio like traffic, you should just do it, it's easy watch. Just do just do it, do it it's when people say look well,

You know it's amazing that you do so much. I kind of like there a choice. You really did I'm always the wake you can get exactly. I woke up. I will go to three thirty this morning and I d be a covenant being at seven ten and it like five forty, I was like one there's. No, I can't go back to sleep now. Now I might as well it's just that. I'm up get up and start drinking coffee. Go you yeah, I've, gotta latte right here. Did you have you ever tried, not drinking coffee? I give up Catherine for six months ones and because I was we give it a real try because of one single you'll sleep better with the, and it was the worst six months in my life. I didn't sleep better and I was tired all the time, but I feel like a game. Real dryly tried yeah. It wasn't like two thousand ten. I think some of us just have brain, better, like spinning tops Efron they just yet it's just you know and I giving them Farming can handle it when we're in the studio, but sometimes unlike, was a little too weird.

Look I was okay and he's always do you know he's the nicest human businessmen and gave a good use the nicest human. So they both you know, are fine, but sometimes, unlike get out a little intend that are now well it, but you know it because it's for it so funny, then the evolution of Kate Mc Coochie, it's amazing through through Garfunkel and out o my god, because I remember a time where she was like. Oh, I don't think can say hand job on stage, and I hate to say I know it's like yet we had it was a slow and now she's lake in the Philippines. She's doing like three naked threesome see the tv show just like just put in an all out there, it flicks it's been I've, never seen someone changed so much in what I for the better, because her essential core is still the same. Like she's still like pull,

over and unlike what she'll get out public look at the moon, but still I got that still there. That's, that is, that has not gone away. Then she's also like strategies like make it look at the moon. Exactly that's that's me and you still like, like I got a text for the other issue that was like. Should I do a painting with in both spaghetti. This is really like you absolutely shed ever like. Ok, we'll call a rainbow sketchy, and now she has a whole rainbows. Getty live paintings that you know, but I would imagine They were good use like reaching up in pulling out actual rainbows. Yes and yes mirroring them. There's a canvas there's something about that: she's magical, she's, magical, magical creature- yes, she is, she is, she would be studied at Hogwarts. She would. She totally would be, but there is we have this on cod, the loophole which is like rivalry, yellow he's not like them, and I had. The idea I brought it to her and I was like I thought we were passed. You know awake. See the backward in or whatever here's, the ends up. We know you're back.

They brought to this idea and years ago. I don't know, I don't know, and then you know that the main lyric is fuck me and ask as I love G that Europe and its gets a lot, it's it's! Ok, it's a lot and She was just like. No, no, no, no, no and then- and I was in the thing with kate- is she's, very strong, and she if she seems like meek, but she's not like if she says no, that is the end of the story. Right that like she's like mine, I don't think so, like ok, I got to get this its that's. You know probably not it's it's over, and I know that, and so I didn't, I didn't, bring it up and then a year later, she's like I need to talk to you about something, and I come from your house and what's going on

its deep loophole. You have met a floriculture, weird sort of way of like someone coming here, go I'm ready for rain or sex song and verify that I and my wrangles exit was right, but it's such a great. I mean that. That's that's one of those four small. I I feel like you're, probably a couple, the people who could have gotten away with that saw yeah I get away with so much mark issues I know you I get it like is she's so cute that we get to say lots of stuff, but you but you, but the total quality of your voices on stages is so it's it's very earnest. And so this really counter is like I think anyone else what happened I firmly in the air and then it's just too much like playing characters who are coming to their boyfriends had been like. Listen you know. I can't have sex with you cause I'm a Christian, but we found

fuck me, and it is because our liberties, like yeah, does the wearisome the law. The rack see tracks in an orderly track. Did you grow up in a religious household? I my house with particular religious, but my town was a group. It is kind of a thousand people like South of Buffalo. Well yeah, it's pretty crazy. Why went home you know before the election is all trump signs in terms that's kind of the divide, and so all your friends doing I don't really know how many people from high school anymore. I have. I have one friend who move London and she's like works and the government in London and in one friend who lives in Buffalo and those are the only two people I keep in touch with so gotcha. I don't. I don't really go home just when you got out there was about pretty Magda mouse yeah. I got aspiration yeah well, I mean at the last time I went out in my town uncle how many want go out. The last time I went out, I got an to so many we're conversations with people that it was like. I don't know if I can take this any modern world like one garlic

like my major credits were like being an extra NASH, bridges and one Mcdonald's commercial, and that was like a lot for people to take short like this one guy, like basically, they told me off, because She was like. I see you she's, like you know what you want. And I was like. I was a young and she's like I just see what you mean like you know what fine she winds- and this was the weirdest part. So it was like I would ease who is an I didn't know who it was. I was talking to sure I didn't recognize her she was like. You know me and you we relax so competitive and who's this guy who's. This girl who's got going through. My head is only like five years after high school and it was a cause I was punted with any so I couldn't. I couldn't place her and was going she's going on and on and then just started telling me off and then finally, I was like, I'm sorry, you remember after she set her name. I was like oh

Ok, you I've thought about you all the time you I'm sorry that the tactic rights tactic on my part, race, environmentally compatible with competing for like there was nothing we weren't activities like we weren't legs. She wasn't in the bam. She was, of course, make what were, so crazy, ghost stories that people write in their head out, I mean, if you like, most of culture now is there is. Instead. There is the religious quality of of of the way? Peep words like. Oh, I don't know the answer to this one going to fill in the gaps yeah and make all these connections. We may or may not be true, but this is going to form the basis of my we're beliefs, whether you know and no matter what you they are no matter how much evidence you might be able to bring me to the contrary for what where this issue is,

can't prove a negative. I can't prove to her that I never thought about our sure. You know what you mean like. I can't prove that we were not rivals right or that it was a one we're in a cell. So I just like a rival yeah. I guess you want one. We're idea is a good for you got that Mcdonald's NASH, bridges and then it was just like you know, smooth from there. It hasn't been hard at all. I noticed Lydia. We usually is apple tv again and she reached a purchase last house in the left ideal if she's seen it, but as much as I that's what I was coming in South Africa. That South Africa now right it was cool page amazing, what it looks like me, and I dont know nothings south africa- that not we were in the woods we were at one house, everyone had american accent. Yes, it was all very bizarre, but I was excited to be doing that yeah, but you know that there will be not really,

whore inoffensive, it's more torture porn. Yet it is whore yes, but holy shit. It is really intense, Excel, guided it's it's really into an. Thing just discuss, I'm in it because I know the laws of a man is not good. I love that lacks, I mean the other two bad guys, their errand Paul and Gary Dillinger. At Doha and there, the other I just remember it was it was before after season, one of breaking bad, but before I think the world relies Erin Polish, like such a genius I hadn't really seem guerdoned anything and we had a rehearsal- and I was like- oh my god, I'm with lake amazing out like I'm like this is like the big here. It was two different care. Deadwood, that's it. Everyone said, but I haven't seen it so I didn't know like it- was built after the first original Like, oh, my god, I get too like bad guys with these two people like three and I wasn't lying with twenty Goldwyn, the twenty one: zero, zero, Pakistan or accident I hadn't seen because I just I wasn't the right age

but over Halloween Lydia bought like every adoration of Halloween, town and so great in tax rules that we like. Oh my god. This makes this changes the town the movie for even more because she was this like kids, Stuff Disney STAR and then is in this super that she was on the mud, castor, maybe like four years ago of nine years ago, but yeah It is an intense I mean the richer movies. Intense yes, remake was fucking, really intense it. I've got. The original is wait more intense you're out of you watch the original, The women like there's so much more nudity, there's like the women. They were. They force this woman to pee her pants, and I was reading about the thing they made her do that she like actually play like during the production It was a whole because it was so low budget. It was West Cravens, First movie, he directed convenient exchange Kelly I mean they just didn't. Think of it or something I don't know it was lake yeah. That's the story is behind it

in the original ass. I what was so crazy that basically ruined everyone's career, who isn't it like? They just never worked again they were associated with this wow. So when they came to you with the did you audition for you and your hair was like black hair was a blackened. It was blind when they had to send and then I think, because Monica Potter was in it and Sarah and me, and we were all blond they wanted to differentiate, and it was my first day of here and make a test in South Africa and the direct this guy Dennis illegality. So I'd love, he like he walks in new trailer walks over to me, looks amigos die black just walk out like a ok, you got organ in diet black here we didn't did my ear still recovering still yeah yeah, because they put extensions in what is it beat it extensions like these antiquated ones are ruined your hair and then they would die. It would like box. Colors looked sorted trashy and they died it over and over again to keep it the same color.

Place over one night in the meat limit limited. Yes, that is great for your hair health. It's terrible got and then, when I got back, we took the extensions out indicted back to blonde and it was like. And then I got a wrong big bang theory where they like you need dire her red. Immediately, as I died, may her red and then went back to blonde and small period of time and since then I've had here extension will you because you care, I think one wants to die blood you have did not touch it for a long time, otherwise it yeah just like follow each is father. Yeah have a kind of like a long mullet, unlike other shit, so I can't hear extensions very like ten years now. Another period is a triumphant show. Thank you. It is presenting it it's so diff its soul in the comedy central landscape. It so units so unique. Its is to bring in such a brilliant idea like this concept of his great think about it.

We and does not necessarily fit on that channel, but it doesn't really sit on can I dont know really what comedy central is totally anymore: like I dont, really that's issue. It is really a diverse. It's just kind of a lot of things. Yes, that's show, and I think there you know they're, just anything that kind of stands out for them. It's not. I dont really. I wouldn't really know define comedy central anymore. That's shrill gives its it used to be like like young do there's some, but now it's like daily show and while United ROD, city unity and drank history. Yes, oh, but you may Are you making more or was it just three seasoned? While we don't know yet it's coming out in January, genuine twenty third and then I guess he's waiting the here after that, so we don't know. I hope we can make more, because we have done so any ideas in so many other sort of Greece have on the show to its crease in its. It really is like it it's just like. I like it like a buddy petri dish of like every funny person just most into one show. It's really like. I am so obsessed with our cast in, like that's like the fine print.

Writing. It is like we're like ok, so what do we want to see? Brett gum, India and relocate one. Everything like, what does he do everything but we're like Erlich? What do we want to see brain Husky do and it's like that's kind of where we start the storylines from as we're just like What's the funniest thing busy Natasha D link do goes right it together. Natasha Ready together, we re together, but that we also have a writing staff great. So we have a writers room that we had so quickly learn how to show run a writers. Room is a very interesting thing to cause when you don't really have experienced that you're going to put a very funny people together into one, and then you realize oh, no ill. A writers room has to be a well functioning organism yep, and you really have different function. They have different functions and everyone has to have like ok. Well, we can't have. To quick joke writers night without the balance of like a good.

Story, comedy writer and a good. This person has the right on the whiteboard like that. Guy organised personality- I don't like you- need all those things and yeah. Of course, our initial instincts, of course, delays. Have Oliver hilarious, quick joke. Tell her people that you're like no. You have to write an entire story and remit and it takes a while to fines and a lot of times. You know you can figure out like what the exact it is right before you wrap a shell like out. This is Asia yeah season three was like definitely than we knew how to and there are much more oil, which is good because it sooner or later season, but it was one of those things where Natasha night for the first time discussed like how do we get the best out of each writer, because we hadn't of that, and we can do anything, and we had this one writer whose so amazing, but he's a cop,

quiet and little and its and next to like you know like loud mouth, show off people, which is almost everyone else right. We felt we were getting the best out of them and we would like do you wanna rate from home, and he was like. Oh my god. Yes, yes, I would like to show we try. It in we like you can come in any time. This is not we're not sending you away, but, and then he started writing from home until like real clock every day and he would send us the best shit and be right alone. Yeah. He just needed kid. Just wasn't. You know. Mister like take over the room personality, but the stuffy was sending was brilliant and then, like some people, it was better to like when, in a pair in the other room and the two of them when work, something out and then yeah just we didn't really still sees in three that Not everyone has a comedian personality and to show off personality in there just as brilliant, but they don't. You show running it or black even being had writer. I think just because the way that our brains, work very linearly. You got all that is better, but then you do it. You realize, oh

doing now I have to organise everyone manager and I just want to be: personally. I just want to write and then you end up. All of my writing always came last arose rewrite other people's writing or it was yet Natasha Nigh Lake we would just stay home over Christmas, Breakin right or some, the eunuch as our stuff just use end a pushing in your staff and commissioner, are you? How do you know when you ever feel like a joke? Is done already feel like, I don't know, let's try this and will see. How do you do? You have really good got instincts about like I know this is gonna work and how's your success rate on it's pretty good. We it's it's funny because I remember so David

who plays my has another show we were doing. I think it was. We were editing the pilot for Garfunkel and he was working in the same building and he came in and- and I said, do you have any advice because he's been doing this forever and he was like the one piece of advice is: if something made you die laughing when you thought of it, use that joke don't use the joke. That's newer, like, even though you are the joke three months ago, it still the funniest Joe or maybe it may be tempted to always do you like? The latest thing that's what's funniest, you now right music, but if it may do fauna, flora, laughing trust. That, and you say, oh that's, inveterately good advice, and so we try to like remember when something like tickled us. You know anybody know, that's the joke, that's the right joke! You know, and you know sometimes they get topped, but usually we try to stick to the original. I wonder: because that's a shop, that's totally assure you- could just spend a movie out of it. We ve thought about it. I, like Chemical, generic, accelerating it stage musical about

because we already have forced on the we have. We have two sons this we have to sign this upcoming season. Armand waits monopolies are Butler Garfield, has a whole storyline where he he's an orphan and he goes to look for his parents, and so we have like orphan any songs hearings but he's a thirty you're old man, God would, I think you would destroy on Broadway, I think they may our work, musical right now we ve been, we ve been working on it for a while It's it's a longer process than anything else, but I also think and another period another period musical, because I think People know what it is and you could really come on just one self contained story and workshops. Workshop, the shit out of it until it's like tight, and I think people I mean I I think it could be like you know the next book Mormon our mandate, Nathan. Where people I mean, I'm not really a Broadway person, you not not really Spiderman person, I will

Oh you are such a theater. I went to see something rotten, lasting damage and such a theatre dork it wasn't there. I don't know anything about eating, because for me it I get for us. Raided as much as I love writing sought like comedy songs. I get frustrated, because because I just feel like I get frustrated the thing that makes them functional you're, just singing the sub text of its position, all its emotional reactions in Europe, but in so it's hard for me take myself out of that. That's it. That's a valid criticism of musical. They actually addressed it in this in something rotten, there's a whole show about cause. It's it's takes place in shakespearian times, and it's like guys who are inventing the musical there thinking of others, but like how do we get people to come? See this and you know someone like right songs and I like what and if this whole discussion about how awkward and like you can't really get past the fact that there is and as yet, that's it, the musicals about which is binding got it. I just met this guy

I in a guy New York I was doing enough. Within BC and they have a show coming up called rise? Ok and its the show runner instigator of Friday night, its and then the other executor producer is this guy. They introduce me to name Jeffrey seller enjoy reseller. It turns out produced Hamilton, o rent I have a new q. Those are the top line, one like those are all life teaching in and so rises. Basically, I think you're looks like if you like, musicals, it's basically economic We have faced a little bit and just letting the produces a rise. No right now, I'm tech avail shot. I think I love to write you a song or beyond your job, just saying she's, saying you guys, but it it but it the main element out of it where it's like it's a high school drama programme. So it's me nickel show. But it's more about how you know these kids lives are profoundly affected by having this music

women, their school and no one's like trying to get famous, but it's just very communal and cathartic for them. It's already my favorites yeah Josh, Radner, anytime, rosy, caresses and really and the girl Malta, is in its just how good wishes Oscars. She was sixteen media. The morning project, financing energy now going on. Do you ever she got like hidden ahead while she was singing linked with a flag or something like you wanted right right. She I was like you're, the Oscars and you got hit in the head and your singing a solo and it didn't even phaser I haven't. I, it's the last couple years. You, MR that's one, and you know why, because it just when Moonlight one, When, when model an older, I mean I saw that I saw sort of their eyes moment, version of that of that happening, but its unity Cars are just so so serious about it now and it's an and were in a time now we're theirs much social pressure to like nothing, spotty don't make fun.

Anything you eunuchs people so angry and understandably so, a lot of shit things go and render a comedy songs right now, really weird direct comedy period in and I have nothing feels important right or any of its just like a right about my friend being late giant like I've got no alike, but can I tell you I would still invest time and because I think people do need that escape dealings, do you need that escape I mean if you, if you feel really compelled to social satire, like real biting social commentary, da the horrible things that are going on, I would say do it, but I wouldn't say you have to do it. I think, if you feel like writing your friend is late songs. That means that there is x number of other people out there who would love to have a break, from that is for the really talk

a new cycle of everything. That's you know everything. That's going on that score. I went to see Tig and worry scoville owing to God what a great there's I've got a great other. Yes, we'll know I've been heap. He opens verb at this level. You know like in an hour and she did like an hour. So it was yet was amazing that Largo, but they both did not too much topical and it didn't bother. I was like. Oh, this is greatly worry, has amount of using that Betty has words like about some about man in a small town RO unjust, recognizes like like it's. It's an amazing bet that I'm totally rooting but its. She do her indigo girls, but she didn't do it this time. She only didn't new stuff. This pastime, but got her and I love take- is just asked she just for people who don't know tag spent, I think maybe twenty minutes at the The comedy central Comedy Festival plus refers. Colleagues I was on that show Hearst's almost the entire set

fucking with the audience about bringing out the indigo girls and whether or not the indigo girls were actually air and she kept going back to it and it was So inspired like oh my god, how did you and it never every time she brought it back? It killed more each time, she's! So funny you see she didn't well. I guess one time she did. The indigo grows bit fur. What's that IRA thus show over the yeah we're periods, affair, numerical my life, typewriter and hat, and then they did come out. Finally go there finally witnesses I bid is that its funding they come out and it's funny if they don't come out. It's just like a perfect a bullet proof bit, because, even if you don't The indigo girls are that name would like.

You say it enough starts to become funny ya. Take so fucking great, because if you I mean I've, always adored her always adored her and she you know she's fearless. I mean beat cancer. Did a set without her shirt on, so you can see that she be cancer. It's crazy and she's, just like she's, just like a broken badass like she, nothing but respect for sometimes a hero, a mean all hear. People complain about their careers around. No one wants this or I know what's to hire me or I echo. What are you pitching What are you trying to do? What are you trying to create? What are you trying to? I mean it's. You know like you, it's hard to have sympathy for people who are also trying to how about you make you

So many things you garden, you never stop making things probably largely duty or insomnia, but amateurs. You never stop making things, and I think it's important for people to understand that the new cap really complain when going to you can, but if you're not everything you can to try to make it worked really hard to have sympathy. I went. I spoke at a class recently about low budget, shall running and cause it's. It was these people who, like thinking of making their own show, is ending and I spoke out and you can see the disappointment in some people's fears. About how hard it is. You know like at every turn its which work in it so hard, and people wanted like that man, bullet answer in some people were dislike, they got it and there are like yeah. I'm gonna start doing that, but

interesting, seeing that divide in people and in their questions and like. But what? If I just it? It's like. Whatever comes after the justice, you know, don't do that and I think a lot of people don't realize that they do have power that they really do have their own. I mean it's like Look at you may not necessarily have the power to let go make a high budget movie if on a whim. Power in the sense that, because you unite TAT had conversations of workers, I think we're both into like you know motivational studies. Yes is like: how do we love self help books? They love, I dont shoe because they you know, even though you know a percentage of them. Are there a lot of their lot of repetitive concept? Yes, which means that they are there's probably some truth. Yes, there is a lot of garbage out there, but a sort of feeling, even if even if you just retain one morsel of information from anything it's better than if you were just like listening to you,

playlists euro listening to and your car over and over and over again Rick there's been things that I've taken from these books that I have never lost, and I'm like that. It's just things like your favorite. One of the things that kind of changed my life is: who has written a book about willpower? Have you read this setting? What willpower, how you have a limited resource of willpower novel? So it's a limited resource and they ve studied it a lot and it's not something, but you have as much as you have and it's not something that you can necessarily expand. Like you, you can sort of, but then like the next day or too tired like it's. It's just many resources, do you have to decide what to use your willpower So when I like doing a really hard project, a writing or something I'm not worried about. You know eating a beacon, lunch, underwrote, Gimme piece it like. I don't use.

Work out that morning. I dont use my because how you got energy to focus. On the other thing, I need all my willpower to get through this draft right, and so I dont work out that morning. I don't worry about returning emails. I dont like or whatever things that take any willpower like I'm a country, email six will power, but anything that takes any of that juice. I dont do it right. I ordered I dont go get food, it et. I make things easy on myself when I'm trying to concentrate my willpower got it, so that was very helpful. That's great, I think what was your swell, I think people I think we live in an infomercial age where people just want to be like a p. Andy Ex commercial, like I just what am suggest what yeah hard ads in like a couple weeks and a revolutionary television. Exactly in the truth of the matter is that the the the path, the success of the creative process, very it's very unromantic in a sensitive area sexy in the sense that it's like. I think people just want to see. Oh, I want to

hundred percent enemy my energy into this thing for a day? And then I want everything to be changing like no, you know understanding the power of sort of like compounded in breast in an account of incremental change. That, even though you even though some might say to themselves like well, you know I have to say no. I have to work this one because I'm a family and I don't have a choice, and it is, I would say yes, you stand. I think they're probably places where you have choices. We don't realize because it so automated, even in just way that you view things in your life or how you perceive things or how you like heavier schedule, Give interesting because everyone, Scott you read that its is cobbler creative, how if you read that, but now it's me it's like all. It's a creative habits of all these amazing artists throughout time and it's like they have it all sort of found like they treating yourself like an experiment real like do. I write better if I may, that six in the morning or to get better at midnight or do I write a letter after I've had

glass of wine, or do I write better? You know with coffee. Really using yourself as a science experiment. Row figuring that because, like even if you do have a full time, job, there's probably ways to maximize your creativity that you haven't invested in yet or even if it's just one. You know the sort of then the getting things done methodology is interesting, but it it it's it. It can be. Little tedious when you get into it, but it. But it's a sort of the idea, like you know, getting all of your thoughts out of your head and onto paper onto whatever you know if you ve, ever known or whatever your beer writing programme is and then, writing down what your goals are and then but also understanding emotionally, like what your emotional motivation for those goals are something like a wise wore a million dollars. Ok, why do you want a million dollar oak is better at the sound of a reason. Now you need to understand, like the more specific you can get with your goal setting and then it's you understand emotionally, while you want that thing, then bring

down into steps. Is there any even tiny, incremental thing I can do today that moves me a little bit closer to that thing and it might take a few months before you really start to see the results, Eventually it is, kind of like an aircraft carrier? Turning that you will, you will start to feel and I, We do believe when you start making decisions that are beneficial to you over time, it really will make a difference, especially if it's like writing, or because every time you do it, you get better at it right. Even if you have a terrible set your leg. Ok, I'm not gonna. Do that again. Are you learn how to handle a heckler? Look whatever it is like you get better out at every time. You do it. So it is increments. Yeah I mean you can't you know remotely what comedian would think. Oh I'm gonna write a perfect our set on a Thursday. Then I'm gonna go. Do it on a Friday, I'd other methods that at the beginning, I didn't know we

no comedians. The only comedian we knew was dug Brenda and right, and we actually hadn't seen understandably only do Douglas movies Benson Interruption, and so we even acts no and the third show we ever did was an hour and we didn't totally haven't I material, but we're like. Oh it's fine like we plead, twice, live and then like a let's went out space and doing our job. We don't want other people weren't here seeking our hour. The richest we played like some covers. We did like we re a shanty poetry from this book we just like beetles going about. That is that you were you that tell you the whole twenty learn. You took a beauty, a risk and you learn resilient twice and we started playing shows that would like, and this coming through and we were like a we gotta, get better faster right like it was we doing. Ok like we. If we kept the show going, you know and we ve got laughs and stuff, but you can feel that palpable difference between you and Pat. Not

when even doing common I got. What will patent is a guy that Thursday could write an hour set and Friday statement. He has yeah he's out you unless your patent, my surprise these one of the rare that difference. In that case, I would just like a we gotta get better. We gotta do it now arena. If we improve right and it was called, we went to see a lot of common interest. You know just worked on it. Tat night, oh Anne, you, by the way the side note, I was going to invite you to see all and oats because we gotta you know like we went with a group. Day and night. Oh Anne, you, by the way the side note Can I invite you to see all notes cause we gotta? You know if we went with a grew and you already have already the inside of you. You went the night before every time there here. I think I ll look came here, and John, I know best. We love him, but you did me guitar shopping in Nashville Holy Shit. That was like a dream of us. It's like I

Qatar shoving, so he's got a pretty good citizens here about the whole thing. Almah got. He contacted us on Myspace when we first started incentives, this message and he was like we are using my name and he's like a great you permission. If I get Free beer, it you're shows, and we were like holy shit. You liked. You guys want to jam sometime and really good. Yes, immediately and without with generally totally Beckett John, is such an amazing player and Kate Mayoral Ito we're fine we're fine, I'm much better than it was when I started, but I'm still just fine what we really need related Well, we're like! No, you are going to play the regard. We're gonna! Kick it back over to you, like you, ve not like doing like use solar, as you know, we're just like a hot. Unlike us, shake these Morocco, but our Gulf Uncle is less, never met him right, never heard from them. We love to meet him. He was unplaited Concord, so he must have some funny nest.

Somewhere or something or sour or someone talked him into a practice that yeah I mean here. He must have heard investors, because when you, if you Google, Garfunkel weak, right away. You know, so he must there was us, Interesting to use to other people's needs have your identity piano as your like. That was that I was so finally like I've like basically like relentlessly harassed Kate until she let us have that because, because I went to see hundreds of the bull and we were in the back and so we could only really see the screen and the camera man had a close upon hall and then it was opened, and there is no two shot and there was no John close up and I'm like that's hilarious, like that's crazy, like it was just: do they not get along at all? No, it seemed like the camera rallies Papa. Right- and I was just like this- is really funny and thought of that name and then and then

yeah. It was entirely feeling it, and so we thought of like so many other bad names, and then we basically have no name, and we went to record the songs at this studio and Kate had recorded her part and she laughed- and I was with him and was over thing. That kind graphical announces that it has to be that, and I was like it does right and he was like it has to be that and was like what's cockade and we call her bunch temperatures at like chinese regeneration and such as what it has to meet our fungal. It has to be both of us run the phone relocate. This is its destiny. This is what it has to be in I like a fine, fine, fine, so that's kind of how it happened, but you, but it's been difficult for you. I would imagine it was very difficult to keep a band together typical. Keep oh, my god, it's so hard when you have, when the two of you or for view. However, many have to drive it like with something like another period. You know

an organizational say, you're, going back to work at this task, how many central like here's what's happening, but when you are that governing body in there's, no real, there's, there's there's no real, I guess accountability to anyone, but yourself by that is that is very hard to prioritize actually like. Well, I don't know I'm gonna. Do this, it's hard cause! It's you know you don't make it's kind of money, not at first during comedy in it, it was hard to sort of give up other things, but then it just got easier and easier. So so happy about what we were doing and, like you know, I'm just remember: I had dinner with this friend of mine and I was like in thinking about not doing pilot season because I was just is an actor and so like. That's all you wait for its policies on and he was like. What do you mean like one like cretin start, my own show music we are, and I was like. Nobody really really wonder, is totally, and he was so flippant and dismissive that I was like two in policy Oh god, I'm fucking great insert man show

My ages, I wasn't analyses and in there what my yeah I want it. I don't want to be in some seven you. I remember the year I too, I decided that I was gonna. Do You see there was so freeing because you have no power and the power you have is to just not do it the only or or at least figure out how to make it enjoyable? for yourself. You could do that, but I did not enjoy the price. At all and in that I felt so good, but I don't want to be in a seven year, contract cousin, like when we make the garfunkel and childlike right. I was it yeah yeah It is sort of a good good news, bad news situation where you go and finally, on the show I mean I've had friends who their whole goal was to get on it. Come and then it got picked up and then it got picked up and it got picked up in their alike, I can't do anything else and now, listening to that, might go fuck, you you're getting paid money and you gonna go yeah, but you still have creative desires? You still want to be able to do things, and you know

seven years is is the better part of a decade of your life. Yes, it's a real commitment. And if you get so identifiable, is that one character than then you could workforce nine years and then not again for a lot more ever maybe yeah yeah, that's happening less now, cause there's so much kind, but yes, there's a lot of cross pollination to understand that meet media is different, but I think that unity, commitment and also like legislating for dramas too. So it like being on it like our draw, I, like you, work Vinos fifteen hours it oh yes or no, are you called times three p m your call time six AIM Yokota, five antlike there's! No, you can't make other there's yeah, you do you just can't anytime, you have on your exhausted and let you know in pursuing on another period, she's also on criminal mines issue still on yeah, and so yes, she was she accepted the offer confronting she's, so fucking, good, so machine the Amsterdam

after the show and she said only a few carve out another period, all that and they were like a birth- probably a little bit like Kermit Waidelich. What are you talking about like? What is this, like? You know, cause that tat shows sick it's the number one room in the world and you know we are obviously a tiny shall and a tiny thing. But yes, they carved it out for her, but dealing even hearing about her schedule. I was like what that is shoe. That shows a lot like she works grass lot. That's great what I think oh and you were doing you're you're doing making it the making it pod care for a while. You gotta go back tonight, it's and once you I keep wanting to end in it. I just basically when I gotta do a tv show it we. Yes, I I ran out of ETA I totally understand, but I can I don't know how you keep all these Bosnia. You seem to be able to do a lot of different things. Well, yeah! I try, but I just how do you

here's the thing that I bad at the services myself help. If I said I need from you is how do you reset your brain like if they, after this you're, going to go and write? Something like how do you? What do you do to change over to the different mode? I think I'm excited by the I'm excited by the freshness of the other thing that that aggravates me, because I don't I mean I'm not going to be. No, I'm not going to say that I have ADHD, but I do have only so much attention span for thing. And so this kind of piecemeal, much or career, I have where I do. One thing couple hours and another thing for couple hours, another it's very much on my brain works and so that I do like that it, but, but if it with even find anything in it, it's rather than looking at the neck.

Thing is sure like. Oh, I got a lift and other rock it's sort of being invigorated by the passion part that your excited about, which is why I think it's important. You know too you things that that you really care about, because when you do things that you don't care about and obviously you don't always have the luxury and nodded and not everyone has a luxury but it. But if you do, if you ever get it, if you can. Then, finding those little nuggets of things that you are passionate about, help you sort of do that packet. Switching so that when you start the next thing, you're excited about it, because it's something that your excited to make happening? I did do immaturity, should make because that way, because I always have- I have a hard time doing more than one thing in a day and it's not great for the type of correct chosen. You mean it's it's I feel like the having too in a week have to kind of diversify our careers. The way you stock portfolio? Because you just don't ever know it's like? Why don't open other periods coming

We're going to work on this Y gotta do this now I gotta do this, so it I think it's really Orton to only work on things that you give a shit. There are, at least, if you forced to work on stuff that you don't give a shit about if you're in that situation is there out of its you know a lot of its asking your brain. The right questions is rather than saying like. Oh my god what what what am I you know this, How is this not gonna soccer? Italy's just kind of conference calls are things like that hooker, just at least sort of understanding, the the nugget of the reason for why important to you and is going to drive you closer to this thing that you want in Canada is or something learn from it or what can be you know if you really ask yourself like what what what is positive about this thing, your brain might give you an answer that you weren't really expected, because you, you ve just kind of auto pilot that it's gonna worry. It might be like

thing, and then you have to rethink here. It might be like as if, if you get enough, nothing and again, not sure people listening like fuck you it's easy, you will you, you know you. Can you The gap. When I was a bit, I wasn't always doesn't just supplied at things that are hugely successful like it applies to everyone, like anyone, who's trying to be an artist like your whole days, choices of what you eat of you're, trying to be a writer like you in the morning, and no installing, what's right, like you to pick a great deciding in your pitching it to people in your ear, but something reminds us a very easy to get addicted to, especially for people. That's a personalities, get addicted to the honeymoon period, not just of it's a sorcerer like dating its liking, like new relationship energy, you have that with project Yet like a new idea, you're like at an end, so then it gets hard exactly it's hard because main maintenance is not sexy, or at least I don't. You know like I don't it's getting something up and running all your brimming with ideas, and you should be aware that they are

so excited, and then it's like so people, seventy five of my script and rewrite. I still don't know what to do with the second. Oh yes, it's really understanding like what it is that you want, and if you can understand what it is that you want out of that process. Maybe you can focus on that rather than the thing itself or trying to stand like how to get something done? How'd you like beat the clock. Yeah you're excitement so that you're, like you, get that's a good idea. I've never thought of that. Like China, I get it done before. I'm not excited and is a little bit of a tongue race who doesn't it, but it is going to fund because it again it goes back to what you were saying about undressed ending how your brain works, because how many no or how many of us are those people that have. String of you of initiated projects, and it is our point I asked but it also set like thing on many things. They do. I get to a certain point. It like this is terrible, but I ain't that's part of it like that. You know you have to do like a few days. Work on something before you can be met.

Even know if it's a real idea, but you also know that if we also understand that, that's that there's more to the point less than just that initial, no hot sexy energy when you're excited about an idea that you know that you can do cited about an idea again. So when your brain says local, this is Dahmer. This terrible or the Sox are. I saw you you can say to yourself, like yeah, when I do it anyway and that because you can find you will you will get to another point God. This is all I it's great yeah, yeah, exactly exactly so fine, yet Keener China and a musical written It's a whole New John writes a whole new like doing staged up. It's a whole different part of your brain, and you know cause we just our songs. You know you only have to think three minutes long road. This is like they further the plot and they're. All part of this is that existing soldier any new, so I'm running a sunflower or just we're trying

you will see if this ends up being we ve been trying to any music overlooked habit is eighty, I think is gonna, be the idea that we keep going on, but you will see that's fantastic policy. Well, I think you know it's. I hope you considered doing some kind of podcast, you think and at some point I think, people! I think you could be a really good role model for people who you know wanna take more charge of their destiny. I should do making getting INA people like come up to me. It's weird, they haven't emotional reactions to the pact has not come up to me like a most in tears and delay it and be like that pack has like. There was a guy who, oh my gosh last year at the HBO Emmy Party, he was there on a show that was nominated for an army. He was like I'm here because again holy shit. I was like, oh my god, and he was had tears in his eyes and he was like your pocket. He was like a new told me what how his life was going and it was you know all the evidence was pointing to him. This was it can happen for him right within so soon with everyone on my past like every.

These have evidence, except for a couple people it seemed like with this, is really darkly is not going to nothing's ever break, and yet he said that you will listen to the excessively unease like it gave me like a sort of deep hope, that's great like in it, and then it worked out. I was like holy shit yeah, but I don't think anyone ever feels like I think very few people start out go. I think if someone is able to go like yeah, I'm a shoe in you might be a sociopath up like a, but I think everyone, everyone feels that sense of, what this is. Never why my when this happened for me, I'm I can't hold, I mean I'm not I'm tear I'm. It makes a thing of like say like and here is in seven years in and you still don't have the evidence that something gonna break when it's that kind of time we're your leg. You know when you're seven years better at what you do so you're actually probably closer than you think, but it feels impossible

but I think that's why it's important to keep writer on your goals, understanding why you want to make a change over time. Are you still passionate about? Things are their new ways. You can present these things. You know you always hear this. There are so many stories of someone who was like I was ready to quit, and then I just I kind of got to that place, and I just made this other thing, and that was the thing Like you just you just don't know you you're honest, I just never now, but I'm gonna get them my character guarantee, has been brilliant for so long and now she's doing the biggest thing should ever done the spot where she was about and its knife Avram related to necessarily what she was doing before I'm issues so fucking good, but yeah. Now it's like the biggest, but it s an interesting that this pod cast a centrally pull together. Every skill set, that she had been working on New year's yap, and so it is about being open to

You know if you are on one path and then just kind of action. Discovering, like all my skill, that's actually little Protagoras power with this other thing, and so all that you know all that time. This is this is the fruit that its very, even though it may have been different than what I had foreseen. Well, how much better, because this is such a unique organism, yeah, what such a unique thing, and that shows so funny. It's there's it's such a good idea, yeah it's great Leah and maybe you know, and they that is something that their passionate about. Yes, so I know passionate about self improvement, getting better and making things happening in so I think it is helpful to people if you ever, if you ever get a chance. I really want to I well. I want to go back idea. I want to do it. Do it right now, If I know you by tonight, that's the senator there's somebody gets it is. If I went to did you could have gotten collapse Christmas party? No!

was able to go around him and that there are so many people at that. I was talking to you there that, unlike eleven interviewed that, like they were great like so many people who make things of that party and you learn from it. In the audience to learn from it, while you're learning from it, I mean it's great. It's really great. There is another piece of advice that I found really interesting and sort of dealing with other people. That therapist told me once, which was listen to people. They will tell you who they are. If you really listen that such so trail, so you know when we are sort of going back to like like looking at peoples, are when they talk about. You know, someone constantly says: onstage like have a piece of shit. Who knows so dark like ok thing all the time right. That's why Turkey would come because you never know what's enhanced or what's it like? What's an irish and what brings a real like someone like Anthony gentleman, whose the nicest guy in the world and his persona so dark like ok, well that when not really apply but a lot of

but you can but even relationship. So how many times you better relationships where so many where so, where someone legitimately, when you go back and you go oh, my god I they were telling me I just like swatted the information out of the way, because you know this is why This is why less can be such a difficult laughing to manage hard and definite zero loneliness like right, someone who like stops mean lonely and, like you know, you you like, want them. Ass, the ways you are making exceptions, new start making exceptions and you start making exceptions, and then you can get to appoint relations. We go. How did it get to this point here like well cause. You made a lot of exceptions because you you won't. You didn't want to listen in you know now. It's me. No now it's messy and it's weird and my last relationship. He told me accidentally like why we were gonna break up like a sort of accidently said this

I was like what does that mean. This was like a month in and I didn't, and I and my whole body was like sort of shut down and I was like that's what would it? What is that, like? That's that feels really weird and I feel like that's what's going on and it was like no, no, no! No, I won't I- spoke whenever and I was really mad about it and then he started talking me out of it and the like six months later was a similar sort of sentiment came up in. It was like that's what the thing it. No, it's not and then, when we finally broke up, I was like it was that it's this, and you try to tell me- and I am uneasy Vanderdyke yet like could have you ever had friends you dated someone innate in and if you ve ever data in the beginning, the other person goes is like yeah, you not in the last few people, but you know, and then you go okay.

Because then you in your mind, ran away beyond the avenue and then the presidency's item. They told you afraid that that was gonna have and who now get? I'm not you know I don't want this too. I don't want this to be misconstrued is like blaming the victim, but I also think it important. You know when people try to tell you who they are like little girl. Isn't illegal, isn't any you're? Ok with that, like some people, don't care that much about infidelity and if you're, ok with that, then yes, guy. If that's the unremitting yeah, that's the agreement that you have like. I think most agreements are ok as long as Both parties are aware and agree. Yes, but anything that's not agreed upon. You know like that. Bravo yeah, I totally. I was stating a guy that long ago and he was like guy. He's. Do this thing we're just like out of nowhere, no reason I'm just like not interested in Britain Data anymore and then, like that's totally, would happen like it was going

well like and then just kind of out of nowhere. Suddenly he was like just like ended it Oh, he told me and our first jack. It's also easy this. It's also easy to say like oh, you know, Listen, if you will tell you, but you know situation in someone tells you that what do you suppose to do really so you're going. Ok, let's just then this now told me how this is going to mean that I can think what, if it's, not true in that situation, or what ya it's a red flag, but it's not necessarily like stops. I like right, although the other, the other guy it wasn't me it was a year and where was like this was the thing like that. One might literally my body, download. I should have with them about the ECB, the guy who was like, I suddenly, you know lose interest in everyone. He said it like sort of flippity on our first date they didn't really take it in and it didn't like made my body shut down. So well, it's you know, in any situation and dating situation, no work situation. I do think that the advice that they give you, when your kids

abolish not getting into a van where I think it's still applicable. If something feels wrong, it there's a good chance. It's wrong like it here let me once you ve got a smarter than your brain, so you know like your body, if you feel, even if you can't really stipulated, if something just doesn't feel right, probably not yeah it so hard to trust it so hard to listen. It is, I know I know I know it's easy, it's easy advice to give, but I'm, but I'm glad that glad that you're. Ok, I'm glad had that weight. So we should probably promote another p He's coming back in January January, twenty third Domini central apparent drunk history, the sandwiches cool. Oh that's great and creates a good pairing Yang how events in the world that we never really had a leading before us. It is our first time would like a big big deal Eden. That's great.

That's really great and then you're writing a musical cage, is anything else. You want a plug, I'm I'm kind of just writing. Every time been writing lessons. Have I haven't been doing much else. That's great, so no nothing well. I hope you hope you sleep. Your partner looks great Three approaches that I've seen what separately loving it. Did you see the pictures that swing? Yes, it is That's why you're living room? Yes, I did during the swing and I yeah and much ever slang. I love you so much. They building. Yes, great great great great regret. Cool. Will thanks for being here, and teams are naturally pleasure. Talking to you- and I hope you hope to see around here- it's like you have friends to go by. See them, except for work things, and then you do about it like a geopolitical fucker. We invite Ricky overmore We have had many families over here and you're funny thing here yeah, but we will. We will for sure, please come back. I will write, enjoy burrito the end now, leaving notice

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