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just to carry me around, but how then I never saw I never were also busy. I I know I know I've got German. I can I strongly stand outside the door here and I waved to but parliament does it make an impression, I'm very Very busy here vizier than me, that's true, now now well Ireland has like fourth, five six things when you. So ok, but in addition to your show, which takes up time, you also have this movie, which would have taken time night during the press. For that movie. Would yes yeah even The movie is only ninety minutes. It actually took longer to shoot it was a ninety minute. Commitment is not a one off just anywhere it. No. I wasn't in real time I'd I'd really sign up for more than I was able to handle. I thought then, because I am visa and I thought the same thing attend to five

like your dna, the movie so work that way now, apparently I guess I mean bird man is like is London right? They shut that no weekend yank. Didn't they just all kind of ex show the algae burial showed up on a Friday is or Norton Mr Keaton Man role it yeah now role in the real time special effects. Yeah! That's why Keaton actually learn how to make things levitate with his I find the assets right because he's that good idea, but yet by Sunday they always went home. That sounds great. I thought that's why it seemed like a blast you tackled. What funding yeah? I think the way that it worked was that they shot they met on a Friday shot and on a Saturday and Sunday and in Monday it came out right and as part of a twenty four hour phanfasm. Yet where do you did you like the film making brothers? Were you spoil by aids?

go to allow my guide so hard. I don't know, I think I mean I'm probably a bit spoiled, but I think there's gotta also be an easier way to potentially make a film, but you know when you're making it in twenty two days and none a small budget, its We also had to deal with this heatwave in New York. It was the worst heatwave in forty years apparently, and then, when we did posts in New York, it was the polar vortex. Atwater, though, is like a mythical literally like the gods were trained to stop us from never making of all the this is in the country in New York really gets punched and they re repeatedly in a lot of different ways. I know it's gotta be if you're gonna be tough to live in New York yeah and end, not tough, but it's worth it because,

Let's get the summertime, the smells. It's true. You know a people eight last week yeah. So I when I was there for some time- and that was why was it was gruelling, but I did I had to something I wrote it in. I co directed in producing within an eye out. It was a lot of pressure and I don't I don't hate you. I lost fifteen pounds making the movie. I can't spare, though I know that's what I that's what I was trying to tell my body but anxiety as a magical thing. It was horrible. I mean, do you see in the movie like eyes, I like lose weird, but it's out it's out of sequence. Way. I eventually I in caved in we had to shoot it over of period of time and out of sequence, and I also like they'll, be like a scene where I'm like ten pounds, skinnier in the middle of the movie. Back. But it's weird you know, but I it's I lose it all from its all ankle. Wait. They I'm can't it's,

It is more like artistic choices that you are making yeah. You know these are like the subtle Jake jail in Algeria as like what if I just lost what, if I made my eyes, looked like a book about it advocates the previous weight loss was christian bail. Machinist, we Alice, allows entered fucking disturbing We were, he lay this report. This is not healthy. No, I I guess I had her. You know his wife was like during a one point. During the day looting of any of the machine is she was like natures like the phone rang she's a Christian, and he was just what I think again. I believe these events and monitoring tell you he's here. Dial yeah someone took over some other guys doing and I guess I'll have to scream at got out actually yeah but nobody's.

The call to stand in from above the sun to come back and turns out he aged you're, just like a like Doreen Gray, my thinking yeah, but a man that tape was so good of him yelling at the guy. The I think you may be since apology for that, but then didn't he hid his mother while he was trying to apologize, but in his mom as a Christian. I think if you're going to say so, it's obvious nearer the bridges punch out of love. Another fucking ideology. Not just keeps hitting the people. Please can we stop asking him to apologize he's just let him it is rigour with these buzzwords like bizarre, but do you yeah, don't envy. Yet the booming process. I would imagine I imagine it better

people in saying it does. I saw I mean I fight it made me so happy to have we have you know it won't. Do have a dressing room like on the show. I have these luxurious things like a place to go to the bathroom rose with a door and then even a place to sit and their. Let yeah one of those and saw me this movie was people passing out from me a heat stroke and I got my wife ended up in the hospital after a rat party from exhaust measly was insane the way to go to Paris and shoot three days in Paris. Third, the movie takes place, so we just shot like some of the gorilla style. Some, I don't even know, we got permits. I can't imagine it was totally. Though we shot in the naval, museum and they were like you can shoot here, but if somebody high up in the french government or milk- he dies within ten days. We are gonna win, we are not going. Allow film crew boost will have to drop it in these flags and there will be soldiers, and I was like oh and I almost got very involved in french

just some parts like I'd. What is your job? Unreasoning yeddo it exactly as we need to protect these men, yeah yeah. I was out there like and may be sealed jumping into the into the waters and into the sand, and then look I protected those guys and we shot that scene and ultimately yeah film was, may I exactly so it was. It is hard. It is hard by You know our king, and it said it was a personal, is a personal story so that it was like the amount, the layers of of gum. Just the anxiety and distress and and when you care about things I found out, I think the keys indifference thy, because if you dont care, everything's cool I kind of recommend that I mean I don't care enough to recommend it, but I would if I were you I'd like you know, when you like a like it can't coffee shop and pupil dislike

Those guys are there like every morning, yeah like at the coffee beat like whose irregular I mean. I guess I am I mom eyes young worse, like I'm, are regular at places- and I judge all the regulars for being regulars who I, like you know you gotTa Mcdonald's, and you look around you like us to look at the people who Edith Mcdonnel Oh, he goes here all the time. I see him. The time on Ireland. We are just as judge you exile. Male. Yes, there always are I dislike abbot. Eyeball least I dont know enjoy coming here. Might judge myself to you. I don't even judge yourself you're Folliot, depriving this is ok, you, except to you, you very happy look at these people accepting let us look at these people with their. Why I'll be well, I'm on my way to therapy asking you to rubble grumbled rumble by

Please tell me: I'm here: yeah he's, like you: have some barbecues ass shot out you barbacued on your? Yes, all the damage its it said. Well, I think this is, but I think this is what you should be doing, because you know listen. You're you're shows not going anywhere for awhile Oh you mean and get it. You know like you're, not going anywhere. Now I mean you're shows you gonna go onto the area that it already got their Ivan. Ok, listen, buddy, you're shows night. That's all it's that We can only send those fake numbers for for so high that there is no NBC way. We see collaborate with the great media. Implosion of the two thousand Nielsen ratings went out. The window with more committees have been. This is like using the term and show, but I mean I mean, like the shows not going yeah yeah zones, but but I think it's still you need

explore. Other things, a yeah, you just do you? U creatively like you know, you got to do a certain place where you know what to expect that work every day and you need to play with other thing. Yet I yeah, I mean you know I it's funny because I think people think like well. This is it like you made it in. You're doing it and you're on the show and people know you as this guy and like that's the dream and in a lot of ways it it is. It is the dream, but I guess it's more. You know it's a dream. As part of this, I'm sure you I mean, I don't know I don't. I don't feel Don cause. I feel like if I say I've. I've made it the night than to me that serve implies like and I'm done, like I'm ready degree to check out or something- and I I mean I am probably a little too I feel like I'm too driven for my own dimension. I lost fifteen pounds, I'm just during this fine. I can tackle the beginning yeah. Now I mean I think I need to like to cool out

little bit, then I'm always afraid if I click on a little that all you know like lose my mojo or something in the belly. It is about step at all the collide us that via important, because you know it's, it's did the show eventually will Stop because this is the way things hey hey come on now I mean in a hundred years. Ok, but you ve always been consistently working since I've known you know, I've been I've been lucky you I mean I and I mean I work really harden and and then so that yet then along comes this show on you like hell I'll, do this pilot about God again these nerve nerdy characters like oh. I have two dimensions, Stephen HAWK. Like I little I done. I set my age and when I, when I rather pilot, I was doing studio sixty and there's not a secret. I mean I've. Chuck knows this, I'm not being like jaded here about the vice I didn't want to do. I didn't want our addition for the for the bank there, because I was.

As you know, coveted great Joe, or at least what kind of you now seemed to potentially have greatness and aim, which is to succeed certain, always gay people and then along him. A show about nerds and I had that's all had ever played until the Sorkin Show and and it was like a gonna- want to abandon this thing, and I done six pilots and they never got picked up because that's what happens and regard convinced you at least audition and end, and then I was like. While I mean it was a great script Eventually you, like my gosh, thank God, I'd I did, and I am ever writing the errand Sorkin saying like listen, I'm. So sorry. I hope that you understand what I got this pilot and because I, integrity, irregular and see us excavated like almost all of them, so he contractually he died. Had to let me out, but I wanted to him to know how much I cared about the show and

I said I'm sorry, I'm issued this show and I hope you know you'll understand it doesn't get picked up. I'd love to continue to be on your show, and maybe even if it does, and he wrote back you fucking ass. We re just getting as I call my guys like they would have to pry the pan. Out of my cold dead hand, the stop writing for you. I have his As I go. That's so amazing like he was so supportive of that you know decision than died. Die. Eventually, I guess it was. It was. A good decision is that the bigger than I ve ever sooner character on his on his show, gets if it had been at that its today sixty kept going Can't you would have been decapitated, yeah and you'll get out again. Your body had been divided Diana daddy. How did he I E. This is a sketch comedy show either. I really really funny if the, if they just Gabriel, if it gives to the sixty allotted notes and other sudden, it's like

that are becoming more about the White House. Words are the governments come in and I ve taken over the Vienna a kind of debt so time ahead, I think that sort of what was what was like- maybe I was it- became too many the ivy I think studio sixty. I think the idea of it was was admirable. Let s an interesting idea, but I think it's difficult to put the kind of weight. Not that when you work in a team of is of course, you put a lot of weight and now, but it's difficult to put the kind of social wait. The gravity onto a sketch comedy show that the White House, as it is, I think it's and you know they had so many amazing people there and I think, I think, totally interested it missed a bit in in terms of like is this. Are we looking at this realistically like right, India? How did we end up in Afghanistan? You know I mean our and had so maybe you could make a hole you make a whole show about. You know someone is to cooked up backstage to go. Live and am yard. Why wanna watch that I mean you know that book. The sign I live book is like and of course they all knew

book so wasn't like was my errand. Sorkin was a familiar, I figure now it s an hour, but I think he, you know he look. I think he likes There is a lot of high stakes at Essen now, but I think, maybe in his mind, but the global there's, nothing that can feed yeah well, stakes like one of the problems with it was thirty rock story around the same time. The Third York was the same premise of like the pine scenes of escape com issue, but it was so silly rhymes kind of like em they every time they will talk about the weight of a scam it would they did for comedic of yak in it just kind of showed it was just like. I think they're just to close together. Yet if it, if they come out different times a day, you would have been fine, yeah yeah. It was, and besides the truth of what happens on shows like that, is probably better than what you could fictional level exact. I want to see the documentary exact and you can thank James Franco for that there isn't he made there s? No did he did.

But it was like a week in essence, the abbot, then he'd actually did get a lot of people to take. A common. Do interviews like from captive cast now Of course he did that artistic. I am I a fire yeah how'd out here is going to say no to have a perfect idea. Carnival dammit, yeah, he's sure he's quoting Rambo through his ball ever just as you say, Rambo yeah, yeah he's like Rambeau, first blood. That's right! You can talk about a copy, conscious of the entire to say the deputy rotation. For that reason for sketch. Well, you know it's funny is we're sitting. I will reveal our location and simple yet again sitting. I will reveal our location that enough about civil, yes, again, ok, where we are but it somewhere and when and how they would know. I know exactly where we have is where a cry from where I shot Med TV right, which was so

I always wanted to be on ass. An hour ago, like many people do- and I am at nineteen- I dropped out of college and I started WA dish, and I was like? I got a lot of things going kind of that didn't pay out. Some did, but it was like this sort of like storm of stuff happening. I ended up there. An audition came up. I think, a couple years later from our tv and I as equal. I really want to do ass, an l but about whether or no openings- and I had heard you can never do s now. If you do mad tv and I had never seen men heavy but they're like they really want you to come in, and I thought that you, everyone kissing, too young for all the stuff cuz like twenty one or twenty two and the like we're, not higher anybody that age and you're too young to young, but just go in, and I addition from ads. You ve, I they all said. I was too young, apparently except the head of Fox at that time, and she kind of she's like you need a hire him and they

heard me and it was the worst experience and it was. This law is like a tear. Why I never seen the show and then I did see it and then I was scared that by ethical onto it- and there were some fabulous wonderful, you know people on it really funny funny people, but it was kind of it train wreck of the show. I thank, and there really were like incredibly towns before an incredibly talented writers who also a lot of them were performers and people that I had grown up watching, but it didn't have any cohesion and it wasn't the taste level. Was it just wasn't in the same voice? I guess that I that I wanted to speak in and then I got buried there because the you know they didn't want me, but the network wanted me in came in late in the game and other people. It was like. I was serve in the middle of the season and I just got squashed who is, it was indicted, seven episodes and it was horrible, but like

I I guess at that moment I thought world than I felt like that was the that was end of my desire to do- and I ve been doing sketched out here for years like five six years doing. Second, in and doing a lot alive stuff. So I was like- and I was done. I just I was there I had. I was like If, as you know, if this is the model for and I'd rather personnel book- and I read there s no book in my trailer here- on this life while knowing that Vienna cried Miss Miller S, regional realities, hey I just because I hated being on the shit like. I would pitch these ideas if people would listen, which was hard sometimes even to get back. As you know, it's such a political thing and it's a frat house there and it's like and I was laid and people than an, but I started the kind of get heard and then actually started to get some sketches at the into the packet which was used and then we would need them and it would kill a man like you here s an on them. They wouldn t just when Peckham or whatever, or you shoot something

would destroy and they wouldn't ere it and it was like. I just didn't, understand it and as it will this, is it probably fraction what happens it? S, an l and I dont I just I was dead- like. I just didn't wanna at the next year, of course, was sort of that. The moment I could have gone to audition and there was like that year they hired every one bill and people on, and I was shooting actually Derek inside- which has rendering area and with Bob own Curdken Bernie He was like. Do you wanna? Do you want to do that? a thing you have to if, but I just need you to tell me now: would you be willing to move to New York? You know you ve got. I was about to get married and was like you know you ve got you gotta fiance, and I said I pictured it and, as I know, I don't think I wanna got non but, like I just was I and of course, but I'll always sort of be bombed, and

heart that I didn't cunning. The timing was in a little different or that I had a very similar like assume they use like you. Ve met Maggie in my kind of just started, getting work. He had a pardon there similarly as that was only audition yeah position during the shooting of that and he left and then he came back and he had gotten it, and I was like I just my brain was spent emails. I wait a minute of that's like that. Like I was so happy firm, but has also so tall, inside a man like that fate and and going out therein, but it I got so beaten down by it here, and I also felt like you know I was burnt, I don't know sketch I was burnt out. I mean five years of, did it doing it out here and You want to talk like longer stories, I guess and without sketches tough, because there are not a lot of outlets, do sketch and sketches really sketch.

Really likes. Stand up can be in an end result like I'm going to be a standard rate, but it's difficult to just say: I'm just going to be a sketch actor because the Dubuque it's difficult to tour with it. There aren't allowed up, there's almost zero faces on television or you can just be a sketch, can you name it never works on tv ever it saw them either. What ever, whenever you here, there's a new varieties and I mean there's a handful of obviously the iconic fantastic, sketch commissars. Whenever you hear about it now, it's like I just rare it's like me. I feel it gets even harder to have a great sketch show than it is to have to see to find a great new calmer drama here in a million because they love it and our group, because it because it train them to understand how to do had a pickup character. Really, rather, we have to carry out its idea with the idea of cane peel, like they had to make the most cinematic sketch ever for terminating x, rated like it's that they have such a clear

voice and an idea of what they want to do, it's not a bunch of the other weren't, a bunch of random people being ploy exactly eight. Ninety, exactly that an that's like one s now I mean I think when it works it, I think it somewhat random because it is this chemistry thing that happens were because they are blocking them out. You know I'm unless they some of them than the ones. I think that work best from the from the beginning, where these people have been. You know they ve been working together at the groundlings or second city or whatever they have some earlier kind of history of performing together, because that, it is about the ensemble, and I don't know I just the Madtv thing There are so many things wrong with it, but that was yeah. There was no the politics of it. I just I guess I there is a game you have to play, particularly as now and I but there must be rules I mean there are, but on every show there is up to the above- a tightrope walk a little bit yet, especially you know on your show now, because, obviously, everything worked out at risk.

Yeah, but you know as because everyone's goals, I think it's difficult for everyone to have personal goals but then still as you grow makes that your personal goals can complement or become government with the rest the teams goal yet and then I think that you know what that is haven't. I think that's where you see a lot of like this one person decided to quit than their response between these two and I like I did this and they re you know like he exerted getting more, these storylines yeah yeah. I mean, I think if it got Cray, I dont know what will be like in another show on or is it feels very I mean, were work actors for higher. We don't write the show we dont contribute creatively beyond. Our performances in an end, our characters and which, as you know, a lot, but we don't come in with, were not writing or pitching things were just were there to two to have these great writers supply us with

Fraid stories and dialogue and and then we gotta go out there and listen each other in and then show up on time and and and that's it I mean, and so I think like it, it's ants somewhat simple, but I mean that any others drama here and there, but I haven't seen anything act, somebody the amount of screens in I never hear almost in time. Is this real or I'm? Never being? I will, because I you know, gave a look to this person. I was not in the last episode is much more than it does in Santa lives. Like you know, you're like an independent com after that, does everything you know it's like you don't write for yourself like you, don't get it You do right for yourself, you may also not get on unlike, and there are these people while you wanna write with the writer who has the most, whose most popular with Lauren or you want to be in that you want to write a sketch with the performer whose most popular with or the person who you know how

movie out now, because you know they're gonna be able to get its like if it really and that on. I don't judge anyone for that. I get that thing. I just I don't love playing that game and luckily on big bang- I mean I don't you know we don't I'm sure if I like shit in chucks, mailbox or something he would be like. Well, it's all. That would be an amazing feat to noticed. I resign. Probably only did it I'm not going to say one thing and then putting it in their usual shooting into the manichean with. I can no longer confirm or deny whether I said that I can say that I I know all of you, ass to varying degrees and everyone that I know is lovely lake. I see. No canal and I work on a cartoon together our reality, you known his inner whenever I see him he's just so warm, and yet, when God known collect four January, they are assigned like it's everywhere. Just you know it's a really

yeah. It really is it's pretty special and I mean I think that that contributes also to the six it's just I don't know Really, there really is like a kind of ineffable quality of where I e, just we all understand what the story were telling is like we just do we and whether that literally the story in the or just why we're all here? Why were doing it in and we all listen? We out there there's no confusion I guess our role, you know again, I don't just mean character, but just a and sat with every media. When you get started, Yea Lincoln was everybody yeah, I think it was like you know. I mean I I definitely everything really I had shot so many pilots in It was you know, any choice here like all as soon as you start carrying that's when oil it'll give it up, and you can't force yourself do not care and

the awesome like I said it also earlier. If I could just be an indifferent human, I wouldn't be so I be so happy, but I I did finally kind of given to well hey if I can make a pilot a year, I can live off that, and that is a matter. What happened to it? shot the pilot and I kind of thought they had that I kind of five. That was what I was thinking. I was like just shoot this and I can live, and but I did when we are doing it think this is something a bit different than I have experienced. The audience is way more enthusiastic about these characters. They don't know them yet. I dont know why their applauding when we enter because they haven't met us yet No there's stuff like that happened. I was really bizarre and sees me, but I didn't I the whole, I guess geek culture thing which I'm sure you can speak to. Why I didn't under. I didn't know anything about.

Even though you are playing these characters. Yeah I mean I, I I familiarised myself enough with what I could about that, but I don't I mean I I am. Obviously the culture existed but we may be. Not. As I don't know you bitch this platform, as it does now, probably partly because of the show Evan you and everything that's kind of going on, but, like I just you know like all these are I didn't realize how real these people were and how much they meant to those people like rival that were these guys lived kind of quietly waiting for someone to represent them, because the show to seeing the show can be a little rising within geek culture, because one segment of dislike identify with these characters and other segments like we're, not all that you know what I mean. I want you to get that you sort of get the to the initial. We of course like out of the gates people as they love to do just rip your part of crabs.

Like crazy ideas again, as I people are so ready to just rip you're fucked him to have its autumn? Get I write women life's consequences, the guy please do it you would do that is it is the failure like like I, you know like I've made a movie I made a show like I didn't. I didn't babysit your kid and then Ben inimitable. Why are you so mad? You know like the abandoned begin, the party scrawl flock nerds across like the interview, the movies What about you and your guy like what's happening here, button like this? We just made content. What we're doing your guy not what's happening here. Button like this, we just made this tv shows a pilot and they they ripped us down into our faces. I guess I give him credit for that. It was before twitter, but they ripped us down ripped off hard at the this tcp panel, and it was like do you are you gonna have an, Or thought is everything to be so sexy answer you just gonna keep copying old

de is: are you? Are you gonna make fun of nerds? Don't you think bullying is Romulus like every hey guys, it is a pilot this isn't a coup in its twenty minutes long. Can you give us another twenty minutes, maybe eyeing the Arusha view another twenty after that, like you guys like cool out it doesn't everybody is so not to bring. I guess you know, I guess if you have a lot of pent up hostility in and you sit and your job is to be critical. I guess you probably just wait to be unleashed because you got the all you got. Is this one way channel this megaphone and so you'd? You dont have a dialogue. You have a view just yell mending face ass. You see people do that's like you have. No, you you're, not writing the show. You know, casting Joe it sets. I saw the same thing happened at a Silicon Valley panel words like it's just the catches, the eyes and then ip we're going,

Aren't there more female programmer show and they like what yeah? We don't know you gotta get and you get it positively to their like you ever gonna. U kid. Psych. Are Europeans like I I I I have kids, my character doesn't have kids an idle No, if I never gonna have use because we're not real, and I dont right and I don't I mean- I'm not mean to them, but I e noted two fences and I understand it. Actually, it's probably a good thing that you are a good sign. I should say that the that people connect with these characters. Such a real way that they do come up to you and say, like you know like in STAR Trek, and three I like this is gonna. Hurt your feelings, but I haven't, I haven't sonatrach. I know it's crazy. I I have, I mean watched enough from doing the show that I again what I need to understand, but I haven't I'm not as tricky. I'm sorry, you notice, I found out it turns out the term, so it was not actually a private investigator now and others

because he was that's why they give the Georgiana now I know you have twice closely because a place in Hawaii, yeah yeah, you now this dream, but it must actually rightly, there was real. He just growth for the part. Well, I think it's winter it because of the seven it's when people it's when people front load questions with how they want their agenda to be expressed as opposed to saying hey. Do you think acts they'll go? How access. That way you will first of all we had established it. That's the case. Yet, let's have a conversation instead right an end, you is the phase people, you know you are it's sort of like you're. Not just former, on a show. I've learned your also a customer service. Representative yeah, it's like you, you know, customer service representative didn't make the rules there, not the bar. There, the personnel out when you know, when you're thing didn't work and silk, is there the only inroad that you have and so like? I got

The latest outlying there need their names are not Bob thought of something I have ass it I'm sorry they would just be honest. We would treat them that I mean come on, but I think it's you know It's the reason why I get tweets from people who go you're lying, star like ok all right, I don't know, there's a hostility. I mean I get a, but I think it does come will. Sometimes it comes from a place of love and like want, feeling, like you like this is this is this is world that you invited them into and your letting them down with your lighting, a mere they dont understand that you prefer we are in up on a ladder? You know with the gaffer and ended that that they don't know what a gaffer is and I barely due to. But it sounds like us, but you know I do get it, but you know I don't know it's it's it. It is constantly the feeling of letting people down is like- and I mean in the Social me-

you think I mean my god anymore. I'm out that I have been promoting this movie and I like the more I'm out there. Where the movies out there, the more it's like you, people just can't wait to tell you exam. Lee, where you ve gone wrong and how you could fix. I think the problem you know what happens is just when people people watch television when they watched whatever, whatever their watchword of the visual medium they're watching seeing you two dimensional early and I think the enemy, so they emotionally assign there as like they fall. That you're a three dimensional person and maybe to control everything and hate, you know maybe you're a nice guy that took a job But this is your job and right. You know like you, don't we pull the strings

think what some ones critiquing something or even a comment or hems. It's like the thing they feel interesting. If they have something positive to say, I think that's me that ultra low it's also, you know what's more, what what is the quickest way to a fact somebody it suited to hurt them and into that? I think what these people who do troll on comment boards or on twitter to to leave negative or nasty things I they they would make their day to know that the person the celebrity that the person that they look up to act. We notice them. It is the negative part of it is secondary. I think it's it's actually just what's the quickest way to be seen by and it's the same thing when I meet people as I apparently no but he watches my show, because I really comes out to me: it's the it's a relative of theirs. They watches Edwards their second cousin or their wife, and they always undercut the comment. The compliment and it's like though we listen, I saw I don't get you show. I mean

I saw a part of it. I don't know my wife, it's actually her. Her brother is the biggest. It would mean the world to me if I could get a picture with you just from from my wife's brought my brother in law, and am I wait? So how do you like slimy? I look in its. It grew on me, but it forever. My guy or like someone like I hate your show so much when it first started, but I was trapped in on jury. I thought I was the only connected to the outside today, while they offered anal feeding or your show, and I chose a feeling- I there's no there's at a certain point and like any way, can I get itself and you like I decided, I think I think you know I think, A human eyes is yes, and I think there is a common misconception that you know that we as performers can't take criticism and its, and I would say like it's not that we can't take criticism. Just don't front loaded with with regret

in writing. If you know, if you have a concern like we first started at midnight, you know not, for the reason that any of us were conscious of you know we would we the female MC always ended up in the middle and for some reason it wasn't conscious. It was just that and a couple we're like fuck, you you're always put no woman. Unlike we didn't I dont, but our people. That said here I was just wondering you know. Is there a reason that you're doing that it just it feels it feels in in general, are feels weird. You know give you thought about that. Now, that's much more like little. Like woman, sandwiches, tyrant ass, I would say so that made me go. Oh, you know what ok you're coming at me. For me, he's and will play what will I? What was the critique of that? Well, I think it's just the middle. Like a lesser, it's not it's not at all. It's just about who said it was not, and it was just the idea that that we were that it was always the same. Ok the beginning was always the same sort of felt like what a certain point it starts to feel intention. Name? Is there a reason that you're doing that and not end there

into reason, but you know because it was a veto. Criticism. Met at a certain point was pretty. To be reasonably and I really thought about. I was like. Well, you know, there's no reason but yeah. We should do that we should make it up your right. I mean like I. Well polite constructive yeah conversation about you know because I don't always know what's right and maybe sometimes I'm coming across The way that I don't intend to soldier perfectly willing examine that when people start fire. Arrows and you're, not going. Open your arms and and let you let fifty arrows the idea, your chest, you're gonna, tight, Nadia, get behind armor and defence right and when also like us to what end you know, what is the point? What what is it? What is this? What are you want? What are you? What is the criticism? Is it to be snark? Is it to be in that spirit? It becomes the more it is this. Is it just for this, as we all do this, but when you, when you feel when you when you what, when your criticism, is an attack a lot of times, it's actually more about you sure, then it is the thing you're you're gonna grow, trying to credit

because if you really are interested in change than you will try to understand first and have a conversation and yeah hey, have you thought that this might be coming up this? We only No, I haven't right. I agree, and I don't agree, but that's the thing is none of these platforms. Social media come if they did not a dialogue. That's what I think appeals to scared people who are hiding and kind of shooting out these errors or where it isn't it like that Lucy gaping, how he said you know remember when you were a bully, how you actually have to get up and then you go into the person from other face and then you say something mean and then you might get hit in the face. Great, you said the mean thing and in the union that was something you are willing to risk because that's how much she wanted to be or eat out, and that is True it? That's that doesn't have I mean, do you don't have to do anything anymore to be the bully accepts it there and you know and looked at me. I don't think I'll. There's does a lot of wonderful supportive people, but it is. It is an interesting thing and I feel it gets a little

it's a little toxic. You know to hang out on line on those- and you know I don't know kind of tried to pull myself off of that. Just because I I am also really not that interested in you know. I don't know who those people are, what their agenda is. I guess I'm totally and didn't like somebody, I admire or respect telling me their opinion that right and they have the right to express their opinion, but but you can't help but get a little it's like. If you walk down the street in it, you know that crazy vagabond comes up, and you know says like fuck, you you, tat Dick Motherfucker, like perspire, maybe ash where some clothes and then by July, bad daylight. That hurts a little bit. I you know, I don't know why. I dont know that person, but it doesn't fit. You know that doesn't feel nice suggested some some there, like I've, been out of shape the other day because

Some was saying that a friend of mine got cast in a movie and and someone out and someone was like that person stocks and they don't deserve to have that role, and I was like an I got really defensive about who the fuck are you to say what that person deserve right? I know that person they worked very hard. What have you done like you know? you can say, and their local just expressing my pinnacle not to know your opinion is out like that person you cannot set. You don't have the right to say why someone else deserves rare yeah and I totally get sucked in to the point where I had two Blake back away and go ok. Well, now I being petty. Now I now I am work now I am word dissecting and I am doing the exact thing that I tell the people not to do and in the end we sort of politely agreed. Agree because it just didn't it just wasn't going to a good place and I think it's important to remember. When you have an exchange with someone. What is your goal and your goal should,

B to understand and if the understanding that you reaches, we just disagree. That's ok right. The other person is it worse than Hitler because they Don't share your opinion on a pop culture thing yeah, yeah, then, however, that would be the great Bob songs, your neighbor event, an awesome, but is it? Has you still seem totally fine and normal me, but success is very denoted. Exocet success, particularly this time, can be very dangerous like it can't because it it's. You know it can be somewhat poisonous two people yeah, I think so I mean I think, that I don't I've watched people ache go from not being successful to being successful and I'd known them sort of throughout those stages- and I were I mean what I've found is that it kind of only exacerbates what you are if Europe, if you're a kind person, I think it actually kind of opens

the heart a little more in some and if you're a shitty person than you gonna get shit here. I dont think that you start, you know one way and then end up being a start as it is a lovely you, know sensitive giving soul and then become in house a toxic dead black hearted evil snake. You know, I think, that your sort of it just an example It is a kind of feeds. Whatever you are to begin with. That's been my experience. I mean I've. I've seen both I've seen color awful people get a little more awful, but I don't know I that's that's at least what I've seen. I'm sure there examples of different cases I don't know so. For me I mean that's why such an awful person

We always sluggard out for so long. You know it's a finally get to the place. We don't have to fight so hard ya. Think it's like a kind of you go! Oh now. I can actually enjoy this. My colleague, John HAM, like you know he was just like you know, I'm often comparative s legs but, like you know, working active rural along our work and actor yet like, but if they get out of work in and fame or different things and aim and so yeah that's, I think you can have borne prospect. When it comes to yeah you should, I think- and I mean yeah it's definitely. I am grateful. For this, and I I I I don't know I don't feel I dont feel differ. But I'm sure I'm I'm a little I'm sure, I'm a little a little bit different? I got another where your we know, morn you're wearing a diamond jumpsuit, won't let that die. We had the jumpsuit. The diamonds did come right over that that reforms cubits economy. I am

but I think I think it depends on you know where people are placing their identity and if you can, if you play for placing your identity in real life, things yeah then you're a little more protected as because you can't control been flow of its something is tumultuous as the as any business, particularly entertainment business, but if you place your idea be in ES or in in money or in anything that external t like that type of external the you can't control that and so you're, always gonna, be like you're, always going to try to protect that cause. That's your identity, rail and if it's not your identity, and it's like while this is great for now didn't work before in our work again in a few years, don't know just half it's ok yeah exactly. I think that- and I do think like I also some of the people, that I know that it become famous that I knew like before. They were like in high school in some kind of like people who became famous really quickly,

kind of always acted like they were famous to night. You like, there was a degree and I and I think so, they manifested in, I mean talented as well. And driven and connected or whatever the case may be, but like another, some about yeah. I think something about where you put your focus and and and and some of those people. If you want to be famous, it's not that insanely hard just to be reduced if that, if these, that is your primary goal, regardless of how you get there, you know, I mean tat. The internet is a way to make yourself. We do something, you know crazy. I guess or get a reality show you know whatever. It is and nothing that's easy, but I mean

what whatever it may be, but I just I think, guy your priorities. Are they probably dont shift that much depending on the level of sick? I do think, though, that you know, because things are going so well. I think you should start do fun. Deranged millionaire type of things where you like by a town in everything has to be green or you you set aside a million dollars to research. Had a genetically engineer like motorized. Pigs are just like some weird. I think you do have a responsibility to be. The essential need to do is just set aside, like you know, beers with your investments in ok. I never know what this is going to happen in future. Make sure your family's taken care make sure you know like charity, but then status

I'd like a crazy, I'm trying to grown anatomically correct ear, I think it will enhance the hearing. You know it made plans for I want to hear from you. I you know, like you, have to hurry. Doesn't iraqi like magnified, I reduce it like you really do, want yeah. This is one of those I know I haven't. I haven't. I haven't figured it out yet I'm a bad I'm a bad success Persons gonna teach shark is how to communicate through sign language. Yeah now wait a minute furnaces its rapid, we're gonna give them their guide area, because what a great story is, if you got absorbed with that, then you became an evil genius ran, I mean like what an ebay they were, the first to actual like legitimate evil genius, yak yeah after Big Bang,

a lot lot more sharks out there. I can use chopsticks they're, taking rather more varied, Exuviae yeah now idea because clearly on the rest of the marine life yeah, I didn't think we're gonna go this way, but yeah, it's actually the sharks that killed out the entire fish. My irish gangs are going to do that. You grab more won't eating others, yet you know they said it was gonna, be global they never predicted shocks with chopsticks subtle, just a hunch out dolphins, exact here breaking the horns of a narwhale. Had dammit a shark with hands is a terrifying yeah. That's really gentle hands really sawed off hand model I dont use my hands for aggressive acts of additives Baghdad. Land shark? Yes, the actual Zammit Land Shirk, not all that first couple of seasons really up

No, it doesn't. I know I know some of them, the ones that did so did it did they those seasons at the time. I me ok cause it was a ground breaking, I mean the culture and where we were ad and what that was their representative evil will. Obviously it was this that you know it did blew the roof. Often yeah I mean you know, but what? But at that time has an aged not silly as well or is it? What is it tat? I think the problem yapping. I think that it's not really the same playing field anymore right, because you know at the time you know the mid seventies you're coming out of your coming out of the golden age of telling and where there is very idealized version of people and famine. Is an comedy and everything super everything's cool You know it's a fact that post war era lies, as you know, the rock and Roll Texaco attendance yet about eyes and NATO's anarchists show up and the companies

when them and then comedy in the seventies, sort of rebelled again right, like the bewitched era and the Partridge family era and the Brady Bunch era. Where was like you know, then you had, when we're in your head, family and maritime more, and this shows that where the comedy was based, Furthermore- and this is how people are people kind, a shitty re read. This is how they are at least a little more real yeah, and you know it s. An l was a show that, basically, does as the as gritty as you could arabic. I think a lot of stuff they did on personnel in the first couple. Seasons would probably not be allowed on television now right ass. I might be true so you know. I think it was more that they were the voice of, under that generation we re all there was more punk rock it was. It was more kind of unstructured in the way that punk rock is because it's more of a statement than it was like

super type right here, so you know, I think it was important that every now and it's like, while they have had no forty years to develop right I have also like. We know what what are they were. What is it rebelling against now it doesn't really right now. So you know it I don't know it's it's. An interesting thing I mean can oppose ban could be a punk ban for forty years. You know like they would have to sort above rightly you can barely speak too, that they Kyle, The huge programme that you are like is it can't candy a punk ban, always be a punk band, certain point, did they become like a part of the system? I think it depends on how much you hold to like what you are standing. Fortunately original ideas, just I'm young and snotty rebelling that cannot sustain. Although some bans have economic, the dickies may have their just all due to her still fourteen year old boys and scraping, there's also bans who can evolve, who bring thought to it. Like a man like crass to me, if sort of sustained- and the word

I've done the things they influence still maintain an influence over time. So I think you can do it. It depends on what your ideology has and what your final goal is. No, Yeah I mean- I don't know I just you know what I mean John Leyden ACT and every like? What's he mad about always kind of a poster? Same time like evolved interesting when I click the sex thistles romantic have such a problematic relationship with because they were never that great to begin where he isles away better than I am not? I would like to thank its fuck is they're doing all sorts of things: exploring humanity depression in all these different, your interesting ways in weird musical ways that were way more out there than like just playing like dirty fifties: music language when all the sex vessels where

interesting that took an interesting dovetail into the history and yeah. There's you get older when you have kidney zones is harder to piss by what it makes for some better, because this is the worst made an idea, a screwdriver into my horror, be about it, but you said anarchy again at all, but since I feel that we need some straw institutionalized medicine, because I've got good news, my ear lobes or longer than they used to be so just gender safety been and will be much easier. Now, I've run if you want to get to the kiddies. There's gotta move my balls out of the way it's a show. I was. I was just what I think. I think that I think is an interesting idea. Be an interesting show is like is, is you know, like a kind of punk banned? You know like go back out on the road and still be progress. It is it can they be puncture younger generation?

this doubt go to their old. Are their old baby. I because isn't it such a it's such a of the timing is all Emmy. We exactly it's what you rebelling against, so it's gonna, be it's gonna change by the minute right right. It's not! I mean that. Would I guess yeah you Amira! You no way more about everything you just said. I heard I heard nothing, that's very yeah was very pump. You are rebelling my interview here. I didn't love you, but No, I mean I, I guess that's so there. I guess there are plans, for there are some like who's. The who's, the irish guy, with no teeth. Oh, it's, not all shade Mcgowan. Yes, that's that's. A theme out will always always be Punkahs work, the deadly desert, because it's you know he did you didn't that might get effect if we put even- but I think you know becoming part of the city

Damn makers at a certain point worth while you rebelled from you, rebelled against the system because you're not part of the system, you know, like you, either hit the system of the system rejected. You see, rebelled against the right, but then it has certain points. You know this is. I'm comfortable yeah. Well, then, you can eat food and comfort. You know like human beings were drawn to comfort and once you comfortable it like a man anymore, and I regret that hairs. People apart, you know that's like cause if your anti establishment, but then the establishment likes that message and takes you on and then sponsors you to be anti establishment its. It becomes Ike this this crossroads of all I can kind of do the same thing and I can maybe by a car as well get bored up exactly and have more people? Maybe you know tune into this thing, but then I guess I'm technically not do you know shouting the same message,

I was before. Does that she who is? Who am? I then doing that others, a black, mere episode about that yeah weight which, when it's the one word said there, like rain, the bikes absurdities once a month, it's a year, he's on that America. Has miracle reminded me that I have to finish watching black mere. I have a weekend often Liddy and I are gonna watch the bottle had of late. Actually, the first see I saw the other great. I don't see the Christmas observe what why it goes off Netflix tomorrow shit, we're gonna go away ivory, I've always university, but that second, so goes right, you're all great yeah. Well, the second one is exactly what I needed. It is really. This is perfect time. You know what what a black mirror the so that I only have a day and I have to try to do whatever I answer. Watch black mirror yeah. I'd like it always is you

Colonel Baron made my computer think I'm in the UK and then watch some streaming. Sir, are you guys is a proxy server saw that yeah? You are punk in practice. However, this that's what's called processor and wines, it's gotta be played in a different building but it'll be broadcast here girl. I can tell genuinely tickle Kyle. Now that was caused annually, tickled signalling that moment, meaning he knows every time you fake laugh. You die so you this movie, that you have what point in the series was something you been kicking around for a while, or did you ok I'll give you the the brief run down so returned we're in a junket? Yes, do that so

my wife and I before we got married, have this catastrophic, Inter Continental break up that was like among most clumsy things I ain't that I've I've experienced and that I, as I talk to you about it, seems that may be anyone's experienced and resulted in this disastrous proposal and all really kind of in the matter of like weeks that it happened and- and I had started talking about this and there like. Oh my god, like I thought I had a terrible. Then I had that break up thing, but yours it. This is the most unbelievable. Like what kind of self destructive me are you and I said. Well, maybe I should write this into some kind of comedy, because it was so tragic that I thought it it's time to laugh about it in and I wrote this movie and it's the story of our almost demise and them, and decided after writing it. To tell my

that I was right of which was the does you keep saying you want. Our life story abroad has to larger. Until I made a series of bad decisions, here's but here's the latest. I wrote a movie about it. I really like basically was what would happen. I was gonna write, a movie yeah, exactly they'll, be a sequel. You want to make this a trilogy and yes, it was. It was crazy. You know I had this. I had this kind of a quarter life crisis. I thought I need it to be a man. I thought I should explore other possibilities and I and so dislike pull the rug out from this lovely relationship and set on fire and then immediately regretted it and try to put all the pieces back together. Ran back to her ran two different girls ran. My friends confessed that I've had feelings

to them lied to her inadvertently broke up random. Other girls ran. It was like this like a few days of absolute insanity, and then, by the time I came back, she had decided she was leaving the Paris and I said, ok well I'll, follow you there and I showed up- and I said eyes for in Paris renewable arrested, are able effectively. I use the word surprise that it was more of stocks her. I really it was reason. I don't know how I had that. I think at that age or some I mean, and I was I was in love with her and I had made all these bad mistakes and I knew it, and I knew I dont know whether I was like thinking, which will this be a romantic comedy someday. In a romantic comedy the guy with flight apparent like I don't know if I was inspired by romantic comedies or what was leading the way here, but I did all these kind of grand gestures and sobbed and an grovelled and wept my way through every national landmark

I really like and she had met a Frenchman who played violin like in the course of a week of your answer was crazy about you. How do you get past? You? Don't you? U gets you get put on a plane and drugged and sent back to America, and it was and then she returned, and we were in this again, this horrible little you're still like broken up it was, I was dry heaving. Libya was like the craziest time ever and I decided you know what would I think what would be a good move here is to propose to her, which is terrible, and I continued dig my whole my own hole and get in and very myself in and the proposal was item. It was worse proposal of all time and it was in a car, and I confessed more feelings that I have Other people leave while we In this grey area, while we at a guy, like basically cleansed my palette of all the guilt I had ever had while proposing to her,

in like one long horrors be arable, Harrison with had about it, but the thing was, as I dont think I am about rivers, and I know when I was when I started a kind of realise, while I hope as until I myself, but I think that people get confused and don't and make bad decisions, and and to do it kind of in these moments. Where were the thing that means most of them is right there and then they hit the eject button. Sometimes- and you know hit their head on the roof and then land and lose his mother goose load out into the sea with the lifeless body yeah. I always comes back to how complex by but yes so, but I found a wing man and his eyes. Man shows that anyway, it was it's crazy. So I wrote the movie and then my wife and I decided to directed together, which raises crazy.

The story of our own unravelling and that's that makes it a fair and balanced portrayed only day I mean it was also a somewhat of a strange like masochistic decision to go back and re live a lot of these moments in like to go to perish as where I'd sobbed to her, and do that? again, but with a camera crew and with my wife's behind the camp or to make out with like you know, other girl in our lives or one of the other girls and have my wife directing that seem, while I'm actually making out with another girl cause it's an actress. While my wife's parents sit behind my wife watch the scene in which I must sensibly cheating on their door. It was like, I M, a gps, the Frenchman, replace the violin. Yes, of course, and he's flattering himself that I really want to do. Yes twisting his mustache

I really was like this. I dont know what were you know it? There was something also cathartic about it. I guess but also sadistic and strange, and maybe my wife is exacting her avenged, because, what's better than like, having someone kind of shit all over and then going back years later, making them reliving on film and getting to criticise what about your other requirements on it. I've setting, as we know that two things interesting about this first of all like when the movie comes out. Now you are putting yourself on the line because people go hey. That story yeah yeah they beat us. Do it the tragedy. This is more upsetting it at this point, its new debts out Deming in the last week like when the movie comes out, now you really are putting yourself on the line, because people go hey that story secretary, like is partially because it is it at this point, its immediate out

I mean in the last week. It's it's come out in its stead. People can see it end and I should say that it's called will never have Paris agenda and we got this amazing cast to play all these strange people leaving the strangest. But are we Zack Window and Melanie Linsky plays oh she's grey. She plays my butt version. Regular all versions of US vice versa, my wife, Maggie graces in it Alpha Molina, plays my dad Jason readers and its disliking credible. People end and but the crazy part is I am now because the whole idea here was I'm in a show myself in the most humiliating light. Possible, because that is what I enjoy about. I think about what about this story and when I think about a lot of things, I didn't want you closure on the thing I think it. Certainly there was the coffin and a nail in it.

There were lots of coffins throughout this idea risky proposition. Really your wife could be like. Oh yeah, this happen foggy bottleneck yeah there and there was a lot of like we did. There were unspoken things and, like I don't know exactly what on the way that things happen from your two programme that was kind of a. We was intriguing about it because when we didn't share well, I came closer sharing every detail. That was part of what and I was compulsively confessing every impulse in every thought and every detail like wealth. There was a kiss, was their tongue? Was it? What was it do French, or was it Niger? What kind of kiss was it is there and I drink is our show it to you. I learned. A lot involves the prince in the lot of lying, but yeah, so I definitely lead like did it did open up of hot of is it was I mean again, it was a risk that the whole thing was vulnerable.

Scary and why open up this, the horrible kind of past that we had but part of it, I think whiskers it felt universal in some way and it felt funny to me and I well, I guess what makes what I enjoy. I think the things that I gravitate towards in terms of performing a part of our things. That kind of do our ugly and our humiliating, and our kind of that to me that that is the most vulnerable and that's a very human thing, too, is is in a situation, maybe where something is given to you and it's exactly the thing that you want and you terrified, because you like my ready for this and already have this now, this being the thing are ready for this being that thing or you were just naturally self destructive crew there is a need to know if I couldn't deserve a mean or you're just Fischer, whatever reason, but those are all human things state They are right and I don't know I don't even know what cause all of it. I mean. I think that there is a desire

The other is a self destructive kind of gene and well how old were you at the time, but that's the thing I mean I was. I was twenty four something, and I think that that at that age, where you do that, that is what you do. Anything unpeopled sometimes continue to do it in that, and I guess the thing is that I don't think do anything that unbelievably wretched throughout this I got confused and I and made everybody suffer while I told them all of the detail My confusion, ameliorated affect people, I did, you know, hurt people, and I did hurt myself, but I was also very was a very solid cystic time I was very was all about you kind of like at that age, ten to look at yourself in the third person a little bit like this is these are my whole life and, risking my whole, I, why are you kind? It's almost like you look at yourself.

Mere while you're crying yeah he's got a lot of emotion. That sort of like that. Like that moment, a sort of feels like that, and so I said I wanted to show that it's not appealing is unattractive guided. And so we made the movie and and some you know why people have people really responded: increased Billy positively to it and related and people have been moved and people thought it was layers, and people have also been like what a dick back. I as you know, and so then, me. Obviously personally, it hurts because it is version of my meaning movies, a bit of a departure. This point: it's like in a kind of half fiction, half half reality, because I wanted to make a good movie more than make an indulgent documentary, but people people so that people have. These reaction is that it's like well yeah, I'm here in IE, whatever you may think, but I wanted to show a guy in less in in a less than favourable light. This is what I went through. I think people go through

I think, maybe the one I had met- that they do or maybe this is a hyper exaggerated version for some people that I don't know for me. It's it's it's it's kind of what happened, then, when I tell the story like it's a funny story and it's a crate you got through at every, they were ruined and end. The movie, I think, is, is really danger. Sleep honest for me and they like in a man's accommodating Venus amaze, you follow the the jilted person and any eager they get they get dumped in the beginning and you go with on their journey as they gonna get revenge on that guy, in the new guy or whatever, and in this one you sir, to follow that the Joker it's an that's me, that was the guy was low. She fire all over the world.

I think I like that. No no wait! I want you we hold on. I need some time like hate, you know it's just it it's a bit neurotic and crazy, and yet so out of it came something that I think is is really special and I think that The more I've talked to people, the more like hey most people didn't have that perfect proposal but also you know- you gotta go through stuff like that, because it makes you appreciate something really good when you have it yet is like all right. The last time I did something stupid. This happened so this time round going to that make a good choice. You're, not you know like that's how we learned. We learn from doing dumb shit yeah, and we all do that. I don't know I don't know I mean I, I I feel like almost figured out why I did what I did and I had many

and through it, and so now I m a lot of other things. Just that you are twenty four. I think it has been well. I mean, I think there is that I really do think some of it has to do seriously with control. You know why, because you pick I'm in a merry this person and then you kind of immediately start thinking about death, because you see the end of your life too in that same sentence and then you're like ok, none you're not gonna. Take me to the grave, like you know, of no no hold on a second. If you know, if I can burn village down. I can prove that I always had control here, because I can then put it back together and re like see. I did you know, and I think it is it's that, because we don't have control over anything. You know hence OECD and lots of weird disorders that come out of this desire to try to

find some grounding here and it's like, I think there are. There is collateral damage and sometimes there like there. Then there are the people you of and but also in everything. You said, I a hundred per cent agree with in terms of trying to give ourselves a sense of control its. I think it's where we do a lot of Mostar Ritual Behavior is just like what you said. I also do think twenty four twenty five is when you first start hearing down the runway of your life when rhinos like sixteen owing to drive? Eighteen, I can vote you drink of twenty one. It's what college and I don't twenty two. What do I do? What do I do and then you're twenty five and you're like there's? No real happy birth, but I've gotta we been every other times, you know how to Sudan, and then you really start to feel. Like oh this is what we are doing. The right thing I only for me, was a big thing. Like am I a man I don't know about was light because, like am I I know how to let you know small, like I can't reach high

upon these shut. What do I do if I can't over no yeah eggs, know exactly what you like? What if can't open that jar of processes like seriously what, if I'm at home, with my wife, Jackie openness and unlike in waitin- oh, my god, I've been trying to open this jar for three hours. That's alright I'll get p He's going by the airlines will utilise the rub my bill, I'm do you know what I mean. It's like what? What do? I I I no like there were, there were Jesse's these things. Were I guess I in my brain. I was like a my man. I've I've been with enough people have I do I know what is out there. Do I know what I am they do. I know what you think about is suicidal have achieved because biological, I I think, both factual emanate that you know in some ways like we're. Not we were not really built. Necessarily physiologically too.

Be monogamous. Since I mean all the life, I never heard that prairie dogs are monogamous there. There also fuckin prairie dog salmon they'd right about that than the field is pretty pretty limited for them by the eyes. Act: but I have I had a field. Landfills are never house the Gonna, throw something at your job, because I You know, I saw you because the literal joke about prairie die like you did Matt I get so mad. When I appreciated I appreciate all of it with cringe. Now I'm embarrassed I dont like grins. I get. It was a terrible Toyota enjoy that I got up, but I was I don't ever used acting on a path when I say prairie dog, they say in the field of everyone else's firstly, Jonah very blame me: do you why you ll aiming may do you need me to hold up a mirror, so you can hear yourself, you think I don't do that da mayor in your right now, nobody look at me do that, but I think I think it is yes,

be theirs. Look maybe the you hit. The EU starts over. Thank it in your like. Is it more intellectual here or is there? You know because maybe my that, maybe Gimme is intellectual and then not biological or whatever. I don't know all these things and everybody thinks about a different data and then there's that's it sucks, and you know, just sleeping with someone doesn't make you feel better makes. You feel works a lot of times worse, because your Lloyd, I thought the supposed to make me feel better and I still feel empty. Now I feel were like right. There's no, you know, I don't know. I think I'm curious to hear what you think about this idea of what does it mean to be a man right, and I think it's as simple as learning to just take responsibility for your actions YO. And you ve got me. Sometimes you fuck up Revlon's, you can go. I fuck this up, but I'm what I want to make it better and will you and I think that that was actually kind of what? it did have will, and I also realise that this whole I'm a man and I need to maybe

You know so my oates and you now? Hopefully I Kay. Well, there's a great oak famine right now, but when back and see and I'm gonna hafta like one oh yeah, just I'll be right back but there's, but I often women are of the exact same. You know. That's the ignorant participating is like sometimes guys think like listen settling that www women are, we know we're all here too, together. Remy were built differently, but not that you know that it's not while for some of us it's it's very close up as illogically but yeah. No, I don't think that there is much. I think that the same desires and the same tendencies run ramp through both men and women, but I think, as the end of it, I did come around and say: ok. Well, I think the problem was that I wasn't taking responsible If everything I was saying like that, you know,

when people like look? I know I'm a bad person for saying this, but I thought of such a kind that, in a cage saying that you are just really wanna do goes right. Does it make me a terrible person for wanting to do this evangelical? of behind has a lot of life and to say that there is to say their clues on the money. There are clues on the money, but I but yes, I think at the end, you yeah you when you come back and you say Jesus, I, you know just saying I have these impulses. I have these tyres. I did this thing. I dont know what I want. I can't even of well that's cool that you know how to be really honest, but that's not necessarily commendable, but I just being honest. If it's you,

to clear your conscience, or it's just that it's like that selfish, it's what they call selfish. Exactly that! That's what I did we now when you don't like people who say whatever they want and don't take into consideration other persons feeling sure what it or is it organic to this situation in summit like a narcissism. Yes, because a truthful person will answer a question. I mean an honest personal answer, questions fully right and an asshole just tell you whatever the fuck, I think whenever the fuck they think it's regardless like on twitter sometime soon or you know who whatever yeah, there's your like. Well what it! What does what is this? What's what to what end? Are we doing this and I didn't I experienced to like it because it is still you know being what is it means because I had a tendency to call out you know I could, if I ever have like a eating where I feel like this is so silly like we're sitting and look at how funny this is we're all taking us

so seriously where this big conference table in life is so fucking stupid like it don't. How do we sit here and have a conversation? but rather about how about tat by then we're in a japanese me, but no, but I mean I but yeah. You start and I always have to be like homer. You know. I call out the thing on the way and I call outlay the guy was in the elevator in day. You know is that someone, it smelled weird and some girl I feel like. I have the kind of like lightning and I have to call out like guys like do we really have to get, but and only. Why am I doing that, I'm just being united? to my wife that I was like I want to go in. If I like, I have like some important thing where I wanted to say a bunch of like hey. I feel that this is unjust and I want to make sure this happens, but I always had a tendency to be like looking guys like I love ever Billina who care I'm looking at all.

Being wrong people trying to make our way we all get in these little cars, and then we drive there from here to there and molecules in an existential and book enamored. That's it we're done live on the radar, but then my wife, like yeah, but that's not that isn't just being on that year and secure because you're, actually, that's? U not able to go in and say I want these things feeling and in what you want that you having to undermine the whole situation to make it seem smaller, yeah because you're being like, I, they now I can. I ask you with things, is not important, but what I want right right, exactly or just like, and so I don't know. I guess I still have a tendency, like just being self reflexive in self deprecating that that doesn't make you your person, it doesn't make you a smarter, but I mean it. Sometimes it's fuckin being selfish or it's just order is being in secure. You know soft average

it's funny and stuff but yeah, and then that's great, but I mean it at the end of it. You got it does she have to kind of stand up and you know just be still say what you want and don't don't dont, modify it at the end of it. Don't you re the face of it? You want without being a dick about again say: hey, it's really important to me as happened. Yes, we can have a comrade. The attic goes back to where I wrote it. They too have a conversation about things. Yeah most things are a compromise riled. This is what I want another entity says well. This is what I want. The yellow, what's a reasonable way, that we can both yeah, get something out of this and yet eels satisfied at the end of it yeah yeah, but it's very rare because its further, we do that using area scary, and I think, because of the way that we interact so much with you know, with media with our phones with everything it as much as there is a conversation that ultimately, happens? It is a communication that is that is one day one. Yet I'd one direction

your shooting into TAT into a screen. You're not really it's just yes, I've got this ivy, others Ivy league up with an idea, and that's part of the problem that I think I mean I know it's probably such attired topic, but it but with like social me with intriguing and selfie and pictures everything in all of this, like the people start to remove themselves from their own life, because it actually there they're kind of eulogizing and was off as they live. The document, the yes, what times documents you used to have facebook. You know that the by products of taking pictures or whatever was that the Facebook existence they. Maybe you post something has happened, but now it's like, then you know like you

you take pictures. You live in order to to put it on young, some sort, social media. That question is for what let? What is it ultimately that you're trying to look? Do you ever go back later and go? Oh, I can't wait to see that they. I can't wait to experiences thing again. It's rare that you actually go back and experience right. Well, yeah you're like taking a picture of yourself watching a play and you're like well as we selfie that shit this immigrate. Why would I do that? An audio podcast, a joke that isn't gonna play no aid, so that is like deeply matter, and I like that in its only for us knows just and you're gonna posts, and you're gonna exploit me. Aren't you know you're eulogizing yourself, press you're alive live now. For the moment I looked better in the picture. I would go, having on it was bad german. I just well, you didn't have to

and when you look at the thoughts with it, but but I agree one hundred percent and add by the way I'm guilty of a two. It's like China because nobody gets how many times have you been this, I'm so ashamed to admit this, but how many times have you seen a beautiful vista or been to a beautiful park or something and your first thought is gonna- take a picture this and I start feeling the pressure of like oh yeah. I dont know humanity, the right picture to capture this moment anyway, that I'm feeling it put data point you're not feeling in IRAN are yeah yeah, exactly it's, It's you know, and I mean obviously our attention span, sir. I mean it. Changing our brain chemistry in and whatever there's lots of wonderful powers. Things, but I don't know I just it yeah. It's scary, I it it it also like it triggers a part of my brain to in like in high school I was just always panic that there was something better happen, a party or I wasn't me invited or somebody was sanctioning my my back or somebody like the thing I did or did not end in some. As I find myself, it's that same feeling,

You know social media where you're like, and that quest for validation and another, though, why are those who people talking on Twitter? Like oh they don't like me. I get on our green or whatever it is, and I don't I don't think, that's really healthy because I think might, if your heart rate those up when you ve, checked twitter or if, if you're or goes down you know or you're that your self worth has any fluctuation while you're on any these things. I know I don't think that's it. I don't think that's a great way to live and I a lot of people. You know do that first thing in the morning. Other answer I you know I always goes back to where you placing your identity. Placing your identity in the validation of other people. Yet at at at any cost. Yeah you're not gonna, live a happy here. Harder than ever. I think to avoid it. That's kind of what at which, as you know, it's always been there's always been a version of it, and you know it. I think like its it used to maybe people celebrity was away. You would get out there and a big platform, and you know say like

daddy, do you love me now or whatever, but I e, but now you know you can say like follower. Let me Can you imagine like twenty years ago, if you are over his like, I got a hundred thousand followed I was roused me, would you like to get emulates do have yeah yeah exactly I mean I think the prophets talked evaluated, it's weird, but here we are so yeah, but you know it's. I think it just sort of place into. I mean it. The dark side is all fear. Basin, insecurity, yeah, ribbon and and and the best thing that we can do is as we get older, wiser, is just realized like here, doesn't really rice, anything about who we are, and I am so it's it's, ok and- and I think it's a, I think, it's great that you made up. I mean because in your position you you must get, you must get offered stuff yeah, there's things, it taught us a scheduling like me,

is challenging just because of the show and an end summer time. But to pick a thing that meant something to you. That really is an expression of soil is personal to you, as you know, is like I'm sure there was probably something that you may have turned down. That was more money, potentially more notoriety. Whatever you're like. I don't need that. I just yeah this thing. That means something to me: yeah yeah it it it took. You know, and it took some time he took some years to do it and we had a baby in them we have as postpone it, and it was, I e, was definitely labour love and and dysfunctional love All of that and it came out. You know it came out the way we wanted. The two comments have you guys were. You must have had actually just sat down and watched it alone together, and they like guys. We would that's the last thing you ever because I guess there you know you re editing, you're in a room for so many months in its lay. All you do is watch it by yourself and so you're like you, you hated by the end. You can't tell what's up

meaning if its working or you don't know what you're watching this far from yeah yeah? It's also like it is a comedy at the amidst it's got some darkness and some real greedy honesty in and painful moments in it, but it is, it is, it is a colony you know we use for effective, and so we went the first time we got to watch it with an actual audiences itself by South West and it was- it was like one of the best knights of my whole life. It was amazing. There was the place when too is- he actually was like they were. It was like a rock concert. We didn't. You know I might have been a little disproportionate to what am I oh a normal. I audience, I dont know what it was about it, but they went absolutely nuts and and we got to sink credible response and it was like exactly the kind you wanted they laughed. It was like that, because the laughs in the movie or more of like the forehead slapping laughs like we want people to have wealth Sumner for having uttered it's a lot of now go cause. It's just me fucking up ever

five minutes in and they followed it and there were, like you know, there's always as most and movies we like if they get, if they're with it this moment than may get the move, you're right? It happened. You know it. Immediately and it was like that was a success and we, like you, know at whatever happens from here on We made a movie that tells a story that people like you, know end, and then we got to see it in like in Edinburgh and this opera. We are that the issue at the film vessel there and there was like his opera house- and men in tuxedos and I never expected one man and a tuxedo to watch the movie five. Everybody was, and it was the so those are the moments where you're like this. Is this work

and- and this is why we did it and it's like a kind of don't wanna, see it again mean, maybe in some years in some time, but like it's, it's like it's a great way to kind of finnish. The the journey is to experience of the group of people who don't know you and don't know your story and know that it works for them too, and yeah it had every got oak a wide range of People Street moved and people thought was Larry's people thought it was so painful people I mean it was. It was great. So that's all I guess you can hope for an end, but I mean it's not easy. I think you have to be compelled like, like a like a lunatic to make a movie, and I think you really kind of have to go. You know into an enemy into the asylum and break out in order to make the movie and then check back aim after he'll put on that weight that you lost end and then go Nina promoted. Will you look great? I am the weights

back on it and I M very excited for you and, as I said, you know it's all mankind as they have been so great and with a dinner The time we had. We should do that again and- and I and I really would like to see you do a one man show called cage match. Were you just do it's like, don't Ben so did the Tom. Is what was called out what the the lights. The yacht was the events on the outcome of one man. One man show up in light. I think I think so, but he does. Although, like the rescue yes and create links and can now be the case. You would be great cause us like through the years of cage to like them in that looks at the helm. I mean it was somebody release day thing unlike was like. Can you guess what it was? I can you guess the cage movie and it was just the hair like giants of the hair cut out like draw like

like you know, drawing like yeah, silhouetted sort of just forever and the hair with his face missing, and it was amazed me I I did really well on it. I worry that very well at any rate, in any way, be glazing. Yeah waited many movies but yeah, but we'll do that. Lets you a cage. Matchless will do its Simon. Homeward was wonderful to see you too, as reacts with notice broadcast. Don't document this. Just enjoy its enjoy burrito, don't commit the breed of don't take a picture of it eat. It would therefore we documenting it, though, by recording this and putting an end to a recording aussi. Do it so it's cool if we do it, but not anyone get. None were doing this for them to experience wagon that we're document a thing for them to express yet, but if we're doing that, but if we, but if we're doing its of it, that people like it and enjoy it

selfish. Are we doing it for selfish reasons? I did not know people in here. You know if you're living as please take a self yourself listening to this end, as put it up on Non, might benefit from an open by now leading notice. Dot com enjoy your worried,