What are the Nerdist Podcast number six hundred and nine. I will be doing stand up this weekend December 11th and 13th, two thousand and fourteen at Cobb's comedy club in San Francisco. If you go to Cobb's comedy club dot com, you can get tickets to that and then the suitable to or starts MID January, in a wide variety of cities. So far, sixteen and all, but there will be, more added second shows have been added in Portland, Seattle, Boston, there's, a bunch more cities. That second also be added there too, so go to fund comfortable tour dot com to get tickets and informed that this young lad who's on the pod cast a day. I think, is going to make something of himself. This is, will weakens, returned the notice podcast out of is the third or fourth time he's been on, but anyway, all the times I mean honestly. The first time will was ever

pod cas when we were it's my castle of years ago? Definitely is that that goes in the books as one of my top ten favorite podcast of all time and every time wills on its remit, it's just like he could be one of us on the past. He could just be part of part of the crew on every the sound butter. I adore this man. We have a little We were nerdy little bromine, Screamin friends. We were teenagers, some people think at the doorway, might be annoyed at how much we adore each other, but today- I say fuck it myself, because I am not ashamed for how much I love my good friend will weaken, who has a great series on, and you can Sundry Youtube Channel called tabletop, which is a bunch we will get. The other apply different tabletop came I've done it a lot of people that you know and enjoy have done it so go watch or follow.

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already comes up. I married that daddy. He died from not calling himself nano hee hee. You really brought it at my right. I mean I do I just I'm ok making for someone who killed themselves. What you guys barely are you just drag disappear into the Myra Meyer, eleven and gather one minute long, just enjoyable, radio and its gases were let us just six words on that was seven words though, and I always went ass. We had all about that his head trip. It is said that this is just words law. That is, although I got my mindset on you also seven words. He that's interesting. I wonder if we like drop it, maybe nobody we decided, that is doesn't count, went out and dynamic scoring now, even though we are now before the Krypton in Council and in banish him, the phantom zone for we now you'll do guilty

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socialists. I would have a closet Did you not every day we perform is torture starts right now, your computers. We need to get towards our short threatening the past tar. So sure, if you think it's a great idea, tweet at nervous than at Will w with hashtag torso shorts. Yes, leave me out of it. We for Thanksgiving above him for people came over me. Who lives in town may dinner and then shit. You have friends with her and my friend Matt brought over diplomat brought for a cards against humanity, and so, if you play with your mom, I did, and so I was like mom super dirty. Well, here's what happened before the game was like mom, there's, games, kind of events. You know when she was like what we know.

Stay, that's ok! It was shocking like something really hot, like some really really horrible card would get laid down and it was your Bob and my mom- would be like I put a bigger budget, but it was so fucking funny like watching how joyful and it what does it display. Saudi and liked to. They know your mom like me today, not like because costs I, like your mom, is so sweet and so too me. Try and just like. If you save enjoy level plain language is tiny and is also in a somewhat concerned, everything else is italian Catholic, MA, yeah and but Watching her like unleash the fear, not defer

his report that we are not so we'd. You bore no heads but watching her unleash the fury, of of cards humanity, which the I mean There was a whole other layer of genius that I realize about their game, which is, of course, when you with your friends it's funny. But what it does for people who are normally filthy. Is that gives them a hundred percent permission here and no doubt to take no responsibility but did but to be able to to do that, and it was so much fun playing I've never played that's all. You haven't games great yeah, it's really fun! It's the internet. Today

stupid. Fucking black Friday, which I hate that I hated the most american thing in the world is inventing a shopping holiday and courts is humanity, like to increase your savings, encouraging, is demanding a black Friday work completely removing from the store not for sale at spend money on it, but what we I'll do it. If you send us like six dollars at twelve dollars, we will send you a literal box of bullshit, we all share in this box- this is what you are getting a cardboard box with a piece of shit from a bull in it. That's what you're getting that, of course, I ordered one well yeah becoming to give it give it to my sister regrets. The aim of how are you gonna? Do I'm just getting even Germany, Poland. I got very mala revulsion, yes, but there are these. Worldwide? Who are all super? I that are like?

No, I was gonna get bullshit. It says on the fucking page you getting both. How do you be little, why they were being a girl like that? You know it bullshit that you met like you know why something by the way, cardigans humanity should market bigger, blacker, Freddy, I don't have a game works it basically like ok. So this what happens is that a card gets put down and it'll say some China table TAT. It isn't tabled habits on this year. We didn't episode called tabletop. Have it's like you know my dad's, usually a filling the blank game. My soup might my my muse power, is blank and then you'll get a car that says you ever you of it needs to be. You have you have it? the black card has the basically the gate, the phrase or the question, ok and filling the blank, and then everyone has a handful of cards, and then you put it whichever one you think will essentially,

the funniest reply, the most of the person whose judging is the person who put the card down several, puts their cards, face down and mixed up mixed up, and then the person who put the blackguard down, Reed's. My meudon power is lacquered girl or guerrilla. The motto in power is a sad hand job. My meeting power is the Virginia tech massacre like those are the role cards and then put it right, but the gate, but it really gets dark and the darker it gets. The funnier, the funnier is the whole point of that aim is to just be awful in terrible and right of my colleague minutes it's it's. I haven't cards against humanity, or just met, my resold. I love another name for the game. Yes, you were both possess. Joyful as I were when we were Disney and talk to the nice lay now was much tat was the best, and I think that we really elevated the experience. That of that day too,

that I don't think anyone expected it could possibly happen. So just do we just did you ever. That has only just to be a spoiled asshole and alienate everyone, because I do I do a lot of stuff for Disney panels and stuff. I just this year I was like, hey my brothers and November, can I get one of those snazzy too were guides for that you get it to guide. It Disney they, basically you up all the lines and to deal with people in it. It's basically justa and enhance Disney experience. Also I mean there's, there's there's also very much like for some. Like you you're on tv, every day. This is true, and you say, like heiress, What are you talking about it at all that please dont addressed me in First, an end. If you tried to go to Disneyland without somebody to kind of like keep an eye out you

We wouldn't be able to have a good time. It would be. You would probably just get mob because I've I've been with you in someone's like holy shit. That's Chris Hardwicke. I never bothers me it Juno. I know it doesn't bother you, but it can stop you that which is the one and another person is like who holy shit, that's Chris Outbreak, which is what I am likewise there a line, and why am I take your these pictures of Chris with all these people by the way, there's just as many who focus will weakens, and that was our whole experience going. It doesnt have when we were like seventeen years old. Yes, the foot, on the other hand, now wait the foot the hand that also join the torso shorts or on the other, vest now it turns our shores the other extremity, but it so it is. It is sort of for now, but a fund way to kind of expedite the process and, let's be honest, it funded, skip lines, and I know that makes yet I feel like that. I mean yes, I I'd makes me feel like a dick, but not enough predict that I would Do it if it were, the opportunity were offered to me- and I go anyway without that, but it was my birthday, and so we took a group of people and it was amazing you guys at my feet

or Richardson who I love and Alley Ward, whose hilarious and an wheaten news, amazing and mice Michel and my friend John, who cut my hair and we had such an amazing time. It was that we had a really great tour guide to see with eyes of check this out. Podcast audience. There was a dude whose, like he's probably six hundred years old and This is where I am Disney land in. I believe he says it's sixty three right at nineteen. Sixty three is still works. Disneyland yeah, I'm. He literally had the key to Disneyland, normally, when you got a visual and you go through a through a turnstile, we walked up to a gate. That's all posed up and locked right like like the like a you know like, like Lincoln do you know the pickle padlock and not enter, and this guy walks up and he's like hold on and he pulls out like just

the key to a kind of wanted it to be like a big scouts like that, but the maze of the key would be shaped like a Mickey mouse and he's like I got. This turn unlock opens up the gay Matt. My were like he would like disappear. He doesn't behind you and shop in front of you and then we would turn round and like Boom Mary and we're all did he sure that he was a c. I a peg man, some may they like. He was like holographic for nature. He got to go work Disneyland because he spent some time on grassy. No, I'm not as here's. Maybe I was going to you'd, be like belongs employee. Here I can't buy light. It was none of those we would have descended from several Winchester S, rooms confusing. It doesn't go anywhere. I know you're just in line for Roger ravished, because we could we went up. We went up, we decided to go on its small world which was which it because who had been the rifle

April Hebron had never never land should also one of the fun people I know, and she so I felt like we have to take on small world to see what that's like. There was a holiday, and so we started to go up this one way that it was like guess the exit or whatever and the person who is manning the entrance was like you can go. You can't go away and this guy was, I don't like there was, and there was nothing and then the other person at the front just disappeared gone was that was, and you know what happened All showed up in every person, Guy murders, just etc do a doll. If you look closely some of them their weeping while they say so, here's the bullshit thing that happened is that we go. We go in right at dusk and we get out right when it serious about big dark,

you can pack into this holiday brushes, and indeed this is really body so Myron. I are taking very like we're trying to take video of the moment that all of the lights come on. It's a small world which is In fact, everything and I'm wondering just during the regulars regular year, Israel pretty lights up, it's really need, but during the holidays they feel they cover it. With Christmas I agree with the cranks over there we're standing there holding our phones, taking I mean, was like several minutes Video trying to capture this moment and met puts his phone and my phone Ngos who wouldn't be funny. I totally snipers from you and right as it does at the life, come on a message and I catch a tiny glimpse of his phone catching the bucket lights just end. They just like that. This cackle I was I was over. I was behind you over your shoulder watching that as you as those phones, cable,

your cousin Eddie area, where it to read it was fun, though that was such a great day and our guide was Superboss, em and energy she endured. She was really really cool. It was like in a sort of like given us backstage behind the scenes stuff I dont know there was a big. There was a pet cemetery behind haunt imagine, yeah cause now age. Behind the scenes stuff I dont know there was a big. There was a pet cemetery behind haunt imagine, yeah cause balancing bearing that guy reworked behind imagine came over like tell us that we couldn't be airline. Juvy excuse me, and then we just you need how we just part of my life. Now we got our story guy, do it the flag vessels? and then he could incur uncontrollably shot himself, now lay buried him in the pets, an ear and attend at it and in a new ghosts graveyard that took a ride home with you at the end. That's right now, but she she, so we were. We were trying to get around

There is a parade. Gonna happen we're back like by to town which, if you're not familiar, does you any sort of like in the very far back, it's like as far away from everything else in you ain't as things can be, and we were on our way to think we're going to hunt mansion. We all know that part of the park and basically the receipt of Disneyland boy. Almost no it's the north rendition North reject everywhere. It's the border of north region, north he'll, yeah yeah cause it's just for some local references to towns. Out, though, with four or five me somewhat eighteen way out their way out, there we're gonna get em. Train and write the train around to get past like all this. This traffic and the train is full cause. Everybody else has that idea. It's a good idea, but this one particular train is pulling this superfluous and see train car, it's like a in car, whatever and all all day long mad, and I have been asking our guide. He could you make it you like just quickly regions

act and reopen the sky waited tomorrow and for us they can bring people mover back. I ways Erika thing we're just doing stupid stuff like that all day, so so that one of us said hey, can you can you make it happen for us to ride in that? in the car, and we just joking about this all day and she was inaugurated- was very funny. She was like. Actually I might What to do that, but this used to be open to club thirty three people and they like kind of trashed, it kind of ruined it up. Thirty three is like some, but the weird masonic cults they get to be in if you have a lot of money and has a lot of influence, There's like a long waiting lists and any six water more active and I've I've I've eaten and they're, not very good. At this, the so we're like. Can we get there? We problem we won't. We will welcome what you said. It was a very good Walt that would lead him got thirty. Three I'm under the food is a man

then you should. Let me there's someone I really appreciate. Haven't you had enough special Disney treatment now an idle monster? I want a hook a roof over their weight. That was what was the thing that you were. You were doing like you were doing fake trolling for all of the different lands. We referred today that she added twitter, when, when the when the people went on a ride, she would just like these really terrible ways, but it was all more like jokes so like no matter more like it, doesn't matter horn if every teens yeah we were- and we were just killing ourselves thing is ice- is alleys such a great audience that allies like that person in the front row

doesn't stop laughing, so it doesn't matter how bad your joke is. You're, just like no killing in marriage and hunted Maryland, mansions more like it started. The whole thing avert start IRAN Disney gang because there's did you occasion I didn't know this is difficult club. Listen! So listen! Don't Where did organic soda listeners? What's listeners there are Let me make three to eight May, three, the lessons of Africans, sons of advocate tonight, but that this is not a has tat gave the liberals are real. They were biker similar obliges now look this up by the way I dont know what to say: no, it isn t she doesn't want me to say, but that there was walking dead cast member, and I was telling her about how I had been to descend the day before and she was like We know one of the original members a main street elite, unlike. Really speedily. So anyway,

trying to learn. It was Lord, I'm not saying who was driving out. The dirtiest dirtiest name would be sort of Disney related, but you just have all these like biker kind of names and apparently there's like This is what I did. I didn't even know about this until two weeks ago that they have there's been like Gang Disney Gang Fight Jenks banks need dizzy, Jane fired me, Jane fidget such as and when you said it, when my research, I was like you're making it up, but he's like nobody pulls out as voted shows. We then the gang is by the way the gangs have vests and other vessels, whether basely, like biker, biker gangs, and then we will start at so. We started trying to find them because I felt like I was gonna, be like seeing a unicorn and like it. Mickey. I got. I got unreasonably excited when I actually saw one because the idea, like the thing that sort of

it goes to me, I'm sure I'm gonna get hated on. This could be where the snare out before people, who don't know we are falling you're going to be angry in hate me about a thing that I said. May I guess it's about time that should finally happened. For the very first time should be good for you to understand that I mean the long. Has he been online? It's bad! It's nice! It's it's unfortunate that have to deal with it. This long on the internet, a bundle always being nice to me, inept like for ever and ever saying, like everything I say grade and now it is not enough for any reason there. I write a correct you and they loved all the characters that you play the ass heretofore is everyone. I've never seen someone misspell your no! I M not even met him once, but did you that you would take like this happy delightful joyful, child like wonderful, escape to this magical world and turn it into a fucking bunch of he's got her like rejects from the warriors just like, like

Jugglers. Look at these people, like you guys, are way it's. Having said that, I would like to say I think the gangs are a fine idea. Yours, you are the worst and in the world know you're. So right when you say that he's. So we see one and I am or absorber fucking excited and We saw another was up here together, you you're gonna, get the show kicked out of you on main street one of these days, you're gonna go to the bathroom. That's right, win tomorrow and end the fuckin main street. Yes, but if it is going to be all that's the sons of Africans, bathroom now listen I've I've got protection from. The lid trained police. From this glory worry about a star, warriors so we had to go up with what would be the dirtiest name, for it did. Gag. But that kind of sounds like you know like it's the kip,

Jimmy legitimately, work like it wouldn't be ran to be so. I might suggestion, was bare country, that one yet even better the train pullers the train The rapporteur and I get a vast theirs- Disney train on its train pullers on your Denham Beth, and it's a good thing that you ve got to get a jogging jumped into the game. You get pulled into the game. What about Sploosh man, This is the limit of thirty didn't what was that it could have all it. Hadn't like death, like mine, lie below the rate on it, report, it was to be jumped into the trained police. No, Are you sure yeah there's enough of us? You heard of which we can do it I'll do it. If I get to be the caboose ok,

our you to think about that first as like in another caboose as a compliment, but that wasn't and say we ve data anime we're up like way past our bedtimes. We're driving home you're so tired relate this. Is this is a great day what it was when it was really fun, and even if we had it been like doing all the crazy dizzy membership. We too just like that but was hanging out together was in. Same way, fun yet was a good group. It was a good group or funny humans, yeah and and disorder running around the park causing non gang related, and I know was, was re we destroyed you twice in the car. Is right, that's right! Now we did. We won twice in the cars right. I beat you twice in the Buzz lightyear shooting game, but then I think you crushed me in the toys for closer midway mania. That is the fuckin

yeah it's more funding and has a right to be yeah. It's early there are like their game. Hacks yeah we're right. There's there are ways they didn't want him. What I would say that their hacks? It's it's that just if you have knowledge like you, can you can try your conditions that will let you score mass crazy amounts, appoint tax, know that did not you not answering it you're not going on the game structure, but I feel it I feel that you are. You are hacking, the game, because you know that there is a secret patterns. That will only allow had like hacking would be like. I change the trigger on my gun so that it shoots more time and an all right, you're going into a story is learning. Leg is a glaring, an impact man, that's not hacking, the game. It is a little barely Mitchell that Mildred Unhurt Euro have killed a green coming up in a historic guys, geysers that kills green, coming up until historical ethical killing until something going on up onto our eye alluring coup like a dream

but I don't like that. I fucking love them so much, but it's like the guy that one of that money on press your luck and got to keep money, because he just memorize the pattern of the whimsies and then built and then with it. I hope I have an outward, you know how it works and the study of the age, s tape and aegis he didn't hack anything. You remember when we lived in westward how much we loved to like put like talk. Mommy's in real life dear when people would do dumb. Stop and then we would like the act, but our me yeah, you got tat, bought by approach. You know what I imagine that it was an amazing. I'm in our young lives in Westwood other people, probably a man and as the two most annoying people here. That is our absolute basically making inside jokes

really much has changed right inside jokes, like forty decibels higher than everyone else. Rather, yes, yes, we were really just preparing ourselves for our adult lives, yeah, which you know most people outgrow that stuff we turned we figured out a way to make it a career. Really all that happened. Oh my god. What are you by the way it was really fun doing lurking now? I will widen those insanely fun. I am, I think you should do that, I am from I I I had so much fun interviewing you- and I actually, but I could not stop thinking about how fun it would be to interview just like people who I don't already know right and like. I think it could be a great gig sundry noticed series Now, look now that we're sister cousins, we should do with yours. We should you, you should do it for sure. You should actually do it.

Because you're really good at it and given natural curiosity about things and people and then you're good talker. So I think you should call it this. The show should be called wheaten amid the every ever such be weep on Hardwicke Wheaten Heart, I was gonna, say meat and weaken our so, but I think but wheat on Hardwicke is great. Like I in every beached, keep it keep the title nice logo, for coffee mug with I, like the guys, I'm on board with this vests, I could get a towards some torso short circuiting, militarization ethical logo on. Why do you think Are you still bothered at all people? Should he do it we're bother you and now but I figured out is, I think, a big part of it was just getting. Comfortable with who I am and feeling like. There was a time in my life where I was super and secure.

And- and I felt like I had stuff to prove so in a random person- was shitty that part of my brain. The part of my brain where the depression lives was like. Oh, they know, they know for real. Everyone who says you're good is is that they don't your fooling them Bryce Sky, this you know, juggler pound it for twenty. He really know right right and I think it's a gun, jello Gotcha low Gudge alone there they're just came. There came a point and not too long ago, honestly, like link in the last three or four years where I just ran out a fox to give an end. It just became a which is thought. Like you those that the people who are like shitty about that they're not talking to me the way, a human talks to me very wing at an idea, and they know their. They don't on the people. Doing that. Don't get that! I'm like I'm a

add and a husband and a friend in a son and and being an a person yeah I mean it just like you know, I'm yeah, and this is I talked about this on Twitter. If you a few minutes ago, was really interesting, so one of my favorite shows ever is firefly. I think it's amazing, because it's nearly perfect I just love it and I would recall the lottery amendments were those characters. I love the storytelling. I thought I love Cayley, like I love it s about that, show enforced we out emboldened dick, like he's just a cheese, an epic cock monster. Really he is such a day, he's a bully whether he I had the block on Twitter, because you constantly rising people up and sending them to yell at me about stuff and-

and he was constantly trying to pick fights with me and when I called him out on it, and then I saw him at a convention, and I was like if you ve, got a problem with me. I would really like to just talk it out so that this can stop causes childish stupid. And he was like. No man, I'm just getting you attention in attentions good people intention viewed these people follow me. You're idiots do whatever I tell him to do and like you should just don't care man attentions great nose. Like you know, I don't want. This kind of intention usually falls, about a garden- and I was like you know, I would just I would like it if you would starve and and he stopped for a while and started up again like even worse than any like when, after my wife and and and I would like you know, this is a great exe- size. For me, in separating an actor from a character because I love fire and I think James a great character. I love that Jane. Has this wonderful com heart and that, when push comes to shove, Jane will act like he's going to take the money and betrays

friends, but he would never really do they would not do that. No, he wouldn't, but out of wouldn't a second and and lake had to sort of learn like all right, so people who like yelling at me, about a thing I mean she did to me about a thing. They have this caricature of me in their head and I think it's possible to disagree with people and not be shooting about setting it's possible to have the like, diametrically opposed your point and not be shitty about it, and so can actually just talk things out right again, understanding and if you don't agree with someone just go, I don't agree with that, but that's my opinion today, but there is a particular type of hers. Who gets on the internet and just like kind of spends, a lot of I'm lake just being shown to be well. I just like yelling about stuff and and and they're all working from the same script, because they're all organise

or on the same website, and it's it's it's really weird like I just don't get what like what that adds to life, and then I feel like cheese. Men is really good. I have a MEG. I've been amazing life. I've phenomenally privileged life, I'm lucky. I've worked very hard for your wife by the way is the fuckin coolest and is the best person in the world. I might get her A heartbeat on my little Dorothy TAT is right, but another s heart beat. I do we really want the end of quotas, but yeah me how a big thing right, like she's, a big part of my life and it's amazing- I have wonderful children and I went through a lot of adversity, whether ex husband being a shit and an end. Just like I love life where it is and when someone's like, really fucking. Shooting at me, like that about some rare

thing. I'm like man. If this like hell, you choose to spend your day if this is like that person's life is not very often and I can be annoyed by them- I can block them. I can occasionally mock people in and focused attention on, someone who's really shooting and thinks there's not going any consequences for it, but I can still be sympathetic and just think, like you know that sucks and its about me it's about them, and this is a very long way of saying that there was a time where I just figured this isn't about me. This is about that person is being a jerk, and I just you can spend all my time going. Someone's run on the internet, or I can just turn it off and walk away. It's not always easy. When you're the don't be a dick, I people are constantly trying to catch. You when that happens. There's times were I'm just like those times aroma dick

and there is. We were at an hour walking in a staple centre a couple of months ago to go to a hockey game and there's these people that that don't work for the kings. They dont work for stable, centred there, like hey, come sign up for the timeshare things right and the guy walks in front of me and stops I'm trying to get in and I'm trying to go in right and securities just take anything away from me either little screwdriver, I'm a key chain and they were like really wave about like that's a weapon. You have to take it away and I was like annoyed by it and on the way and we had walked by like those like screaming judgmental religious people and who just really awful, and this guy stands in front of me and I just fucking yelled at him. He was a deal come and sign up on his like. I was five inches from him and I just yelled no my fucking way and then and an animal like you can't do that, like you, we embarrassed me that was that, shitty and like don't be that when I'm like, I know I did lost it for a second, you know, and I

real hard to be a good person, and I try really really hard to be kind and empathy and all that I am also human and every now and then I fucked up, I thought so bad about it like halfway through the second period I walked out. To go, I find the guy and apologize divine, and now you ve left button, and maybe leave me alone for the rest of the season. You're gonna work, kid he's a dick the debate and I do this using these guys, and I was like this really and they were like everybody complains about it, but they have a contract with the building, and we can't do anything about yeah which can drag but the opposite get season seats. I do I mean that's a thing right leg Everything every minor annoyance in my life is a fertile rabble. Disturber you all the way to hockey thrown gotta, make eye contact with me, Xavier Stanley CUP Champion King season tickets are key you ever this time,

under the game, Algeria, they're coming to realities, Aragon? I didn't even know. Coming to the vanderveer has Luke robot I play in these days. So, ok, so you you're joking, as you know, cause he's been here. So they getting okay, so check this out at this game. There again two guys behind us who were so drunk that Anna I am not I mean I was like. I bet that they get eighty six before they enter the first period, and I would like to take up that. Unlike nano, you have to bid against me no fun for on the safe side, this guy spilled. Half his beer down. The back of my sea, like was people around for completing this guy was so drunk. He was like he was convinced that Gretzky was the captain of the tea and that they need to hurry up and get the credit ski spoke, the guy next to be feared. I started talking really wildly about

He couldn't believe that Berryville roots was keeping Gretzky other threats, black acts or kill and I'd better hurry up and guided. So just so adventure debated at taking. Madam, we were like this guy like make sure he doesn't go, get in the car and stuff like that. Guys we're like found out drunk, but the guy was swiftly out about grits get out the Ngos like Manna carefully by eighty six. They gave to fork rescues, created a single ship, and so so did they put Gretzky him. Never did, and I think you really would have made a different. It's too bad example having iris gay or from the oil, and I'm like fine. You idiot Gretzky place for the blues. What's wrong with more. I don't know hockey shit about actually yeah. I am I am may sound, not believable, but it's the truth. I am Lord uncomfortable now,

when people like so you're, the voice of the north sir you're, the catering, I'm like they say the same. Please don't don't do that is to say that I didn't. I know it seems like I asked for that, but I didn't. I just want to make a creative, a bunch of shit that I liked, and I didn't ask for that, and please don't be every I'm somebody dollar at me comes, it means says like. No, no, you need to go talk to Chris Hardwicke he's. Oh, don't do that what's funny, because when people I always get the nerve, geek question and I thought what would you say what your answer? My answer is this. I know that they are. I know that there are different. I know that there are different etymological origin and I know what they mean different things, and I know that a geek was a circus freak in a nerd was a Susan thing yet but, but I always say look I think it's kind of regional at this point and when I was growing up nervous,

the word that we use in the region, I was growing up in and I said ultimately I think we're all saying the same thing, but if you ask one they will always say the others. Weaker class. Is it like soda and pop It's like stone like that yeah, but it, but I do think you know some people say that they think geeks him up. Culture, obsessed and nerves are more or a more tech savvy, and I and I will read the reverse now completed your you identifies key can identifies nerd it. But I am, but I always say wow. I think we're ultimately saying the same thing I think they're completely interchangeable. I think so. I dont like I've some and identifies an urban, sometimes identify as a geek but like what at. What I have said is that of being a nerd or be it's not about what you love. It's about the way you love? Yes, yes, so, like you and I love like Mystery Science theatre death in a way that someone probably loves the Dallas cow

He's right an eye for the Dell now we have never had a lemur an end, but I just don't have dinosaur and and not only do I not like football. I actively dislike the Dallas Cowboys so like that doesn't mean that, like we, A weird kind inert and there, like a word tenanted, were nerds for different things. Right, like we love the stuff, we live it. We find other people who love the way that we love it and we talk about it and And there's people who are nerdy for reality, tv there's people who are nerdy for science, there's people who are nerdy fur lake morning things are threatening print, now. The sinner lesser would be angry to hear that, because I think that they would feel that these words, these terms for go labels and that these labels are being misappropriated. Let's go let's go. Then there is the fifth about the just fucked. Those guys are, they just went on with their wait. A minute we haven't latin

now about on those with by lightning? I fuck you now get out Dick now, right, Darth, you drive, show me once if who talks normal you, you ever. Are you worried that it's that that these, these definitions are becoming too deluded watered down not any of that, and I am glad to hear you say that our care at all I mean like this. This this style of questioning comes up a lot of I did it to thank you when it comes up. It seems the more main stream and out what I'm talking to the farther away from understanding on the issue. They are deaf and I think One job because someone is like oh I'm total nor man. I've seen like all the Batman movies that doesn't make what nerdy for any less meaningful to me right right and it doesn't. I don't I

fundamentally reject the notion of a fake geek girl or fake geek guy or whatever. I think it's just. I think it's ball. Shit, it's another way to sort of create like it's like this hierarchy and it's also a way of being like a gatekeeper for something How can I be the key master now? I was going to say yes, but he's the king of the nerves, society completing a very out. He told you shut the fuck up totally out ranks me. I'm really! Sorry, I'm not your book in our rank me. We're talking about I remember when you started nervous too. We started. Gig is under a couple of media outlets for, like oh, it's gonna be a nervous deacon. Suddenly, all the prisoner was like I just wanna, be cleared like us against the world right where you are really we arrive at it. Does it right where work this thing that their trade make it look like you're, not gonna hurt, but I know what I was well you're, the king. I guess I got you are because you also their king show. I was

the care whose kings they got. But I often you know it is this idea of except I think, is important because you know I think the dark way to go with it. You know there's a crossroads. I think that happens when, when you're young and stuff, that's fringy to other people, and they don't really understand it new sort of get ostracised in you know your friend is basically all of the basically the fat off the steak that gets into one been. You know like right at the social this, so trimmings right just and with your father s Calliope right granted that down for a nice makes Gordon Thanks, Jordan. Reverend Sir? I'm not gonna? Let this joker I wanna, keep going go to Joe go, I'm ready to go, join, go to buy frozen, so let a job, but I think, there's a class roads where they should be hindered song. He go,

gimme the he was great ajar member. We think the cross roads is, you know we re movies. Iron Ralph might have defended a lot arrested gaze. That's better. So the crossroads, I think, is the dark side of it. Is you get super protective and super final? it's your turf. This is my turf and I want anyone of my turf and I know anyone who is this see aided who I, who people associate with my turf so like for people who don't like us there like know those guys we'll know it's gonna want that. This is what it really means to be like no. Can really say what you like your ways, not the way a care really say and follow. You could ask,

king as Euro downright will now will be able charge of whose the gatekeeper or the key men know, I'm not sure, but I think you're, a nice guy, like basically Josie the Jaws area, shows us yourself. That's I love those guys. I saw one of the things that I think is important that we have to keep in perspective. Is that like we're forties, weave life bickering and we're we're super comfortable and who we are like. We know beat fears that we like we, we we have lived in a world for a really really long time and gotten more comfortable in it. I think that too you're old me would not feel as like sanguine about it as I or sanguine. As I thank you as I feel now, because there that is. The way that I remember in it's it's a long time ago but the way that I remembered it is a part of that that, like levelling experience through, teens, and only twenties is kind of like identity

weighing yourself with a certain social group and a certain shore and a certain bunch of of interests and an sort of like having rivals so that you can right, like homes needs a Moriarty right like that. You have to right kind of fear that sets out, and I but I watched my just a lot more to be aware, that is on the enterprise, may fog everything Jesus. Why does but he corner holodeck in the first place, I think it's a fucking, dangerous, fuller com, it's a mob! It's right mind. The barber has the boy I didn't know what whoever you, whoever had to use the Hellenic after Wesley had a bad day. Gotta, you know. Actually the entire holodeck was yellow just one come gonna reacted black. So that's why I didn't really wrong what happened? Right was Riker,

Did it anyway? As late as submitted, I came up here is considered. Not I can't get up yet are going to create right now, I'm fine western Iberian directly to sit back, took your Bayswater, making it worse you. So I what about that? Anyone girl that took human form, she was great. The story? I got to kiss the earnings Jimmy Hubbard and I got to kiss her and I didn't know that she was twenty four and I was fourteen, and I bet that was really weird for her why. I didn't know that in two years later I just figured that she was a teenager do exist, but but I The way that I remember is that, like we kind of had to have tribes- and we had to have teams and part of the thing that we went through being young and weird- was that we kind of earth.

Rocky horror and we kind of earned like star wars revivals back there, and we urge mystery science, the. I think I've got what you're saying you have go out of your way to find it yeah, you wasn't just readily available can that I well I'm one of my favorite ever noticed. Podcast is the rub, zombie podcast from a really long time ago. Really I loved it soup, if you're a person who make stuff that is one of listening to him? Talk about making stuff is so inspiring and and like and validating in one of the things he talked about was like you you get out of your place. You like you, need to leave your town and go someplace and find other people and get together and do things with them and intuitively. The internet makes it real easy for you to stay in your little town because you can find those people online and and different creative collaboration happen when you're way people in person and when you're with people, like you know, on the internet or whatever, but I watched my kids as they were going through their teens and twentys and they didn't

really have that same sense of like this is my thing. That's the other person this thing right, it was just like I like the stuff, you know those people This thing that I like, I don't fucking care, that's what I get that. I saw with them in their like sort of my two portals into their generation, but I wonder if things have just may be changed, because people can interact with a really, diverse group of people online, all the time and you don't have to like if you're gonna identify with loving nerdy things if you dont have to really go through the crucible that we had to go through and if the things that we love, it was a big deal when we got a superhero movie back in the early eighties and now Marvel puts out a fucking, fantastic one, every single year and lake. If it's become such a big part of like mainstream culture. If, like it's just made it, it's it's more inclusive everyone, regardless of how they identify

as a nerd or a jaw curb stoner or like a non academic over achiever, whatever that is just like kind of like part, Culture too, to forget, if that's true, I give that eventually the way that it has gone if things have kind of kind of come out sort of like blur into this like a multi culture of like yeah, we love, we love, love stuff and who cares if you'll ever think I don't love. I don't care like. If that's actually happened. I don't see how that no, I don't. I don't see how it threatens the thing I just. Let us think that people lack the ability to treat me like. I think, we're going through a period inasmuch as I think, we'd like to pat ourselves, I would, though, like the internet, Meda,

one saw connected and open minded. I find the pot of organs made people open minded and, although the opposite yeah, I think it s a very tribal. It's just it's just maybe the size of your epistemic closure is slightly larger. I feel like I feel, like I feel like in the pre internet era. If someone like, I like this thing, like that thing, like ok. Well, I think that's done but whatever, but now it's you know I turn your kid. How like it's just like an all that is populated by Disney gangs. But it is, you know, like I think, it'd be nice. People really tried to understand other. Instead of trying to burn insult the earth yeah like to burn the bird Everything down in and you know like, I will kill you forever million times just to prove, you know, because in as much as I think the internet has created a local community, it's basically localised the planet.

It's also, because of the way that we interface with it in general, its I find it to be very isolating it. Has you are? Yes, you are connecting with people, and you know like. Oh there's you known and other people who collect chestnuts, who, like civil war, chest to collect that. I can connect with all these other people instead of you know, having to figure out how to connect with those people through a weird peace, a periodical literature. When I was younger, but now You know you're still, you are interacting with them, but we think there's still a vetting process, no further For that I choose to let like close to me. I mean like later. They need they need to know like I have a few friends, and if someone is friends with with them? I know that's an awesome person who I am really enjoy kind of being around. When I was younger that wasn't the case, because I think we tolerated dicks more than you know that We then we do as as order- and I think the same thing happens on line where, like there's, people

develop reputations on forums and and sort of develop reputations on different across social media. That sort of thing- and you know, there's like a twitter account that a bunch of my friends are falling, of reason and like maybe I'm missing something here. Maybe this is a person who is actually worth my time and it doesn't it it's the human algorithm it still still like. Not. I don't think that the substitute for like getting together and being in person and do I feel like you can still- and I wonder if other people find this to be true, that you can do interacting with people online all day long and at the end of the day, still feel alone. That's absolutely true. When I'm on location, I'm sure I can get on on face timer Skype. I can talk to my wife and my kids and I can see my dogs and I can like log in to the forum

talk to my friends- and you know everybody even while I was in Germany last here at I was able to just passing. I was I was in Germany, dresses and and I was talking with an on Skype like we were in separate rooms, the house, but when I had to go good work or shedding go somewhere, I felt lonely and I am I missed her and I missed my house and I mean I think, that's how I think that you can still be you can be. Next it with people in the way that Europe, like you know I don't. Making stupid mean jokes on redder image or whatever or beer like you know. Plan plant, hashtag games on on twitter or something like that. But when you close the laptop

you're still alone in a dark room, and I think that that you know it it it that that feeling kind of continues and at its it's at least for me, you can only speak for myself. Maybe there's there's a person for whom this doesn't hold true, but me I feel like it's, not a substitute for human contact. The discussion we are having about the human you. Do you a fact is Thirdly, the same conversation that people started having like when the telegraph ruled out telephone became a thing, and I great picture of of people looking at smartphones, clean and nobody was looking at another person and the capture of something like you know. This technology is really dehumanizing us and then

We beneath it is a black and white photo of businessmen on a train in like nineteen, forty and they're all reading newspaper right. You know, I mean it's it's smartphones, just like a tiny newspaper. I think that, ultimately, what like just what? What is really important is just going to comes all the comes back to like whatever the cultures that you love. I think instead being a gatekeeper, it is a better choice and better for everyone to end concerned to be like an ambassador and be a guide and lake welcoming and bring people into whatever the culture is, because what ever that culture is that you love somebody help you get into it There's somebody sort of walked you around it and and and kind of like the whig made it gave you like, gave you their level walk three. You know there's somebody like

weird frown ambassadors, though that will literally, I think the most pathetic thing you can do is consumed something that you hate so that you can shed on it and be mad at you. I didn't with sadness that most like I mean I dont like things I just avoid them right. I dont use it as a vessel to channel my rage like out. I'm sure gonna watch this. And watch the carnations just so I can go on car dash and boards. Billig dates. Barca chow, I generally but car dash. Abashing is great. Our bashing car bash guys this for an episode of Sartre is very it features the car dashings. Now there s a map, a car link up with the carnations what yap they go meet Bruce dinner guest. Tat are and, of course, Lando capacity in the epic mash up. I saw

if any tumblr today that its mash up of a famous people's faces, the top hat, Bottom half and they all have pun names and the only one that I can remember right now is shit. I can't remember it's. So that's not the only when you cannot be. I can remember any of em. It's an m c, O ended M c hammer at the top is Eminem. His face in the bottom is empty hammers face, but they're like out. There together in a way that makes some sort of like like it makes it look like like it's. It's that's one person yeah, and then there was that there was one that was the top face. The top of it is is gates in the bottom is Buffalo Bill and its Buffalo bill gates? It's really funny. I kept by what what's what's the name of it,

God, I can't remember what it's called. That's just like it's. It's said she, I dont, remember I'm trying to bring up something today that I loved that I wanted to show you how it is delightful, what if he showed I was. Your instagram is one of my favorite things, because what well yeah, because it's like you, get to meet all of our hero and- and I just see these pictures of you with all these heroes- and you look like I'm a professional, I'm good at my job- and I know that inside you doing fucking cartwheels I've shooting my pants yeah yeah yeah, that happens to me. I mean just in terms of like being a spoiled nerd kid nerd king. You mean no kid. I said Kid Nottingham, pretty sure, king. No, I sent you here that the hermit given that I am the yellow gang there was clear and so revenge having too, is having to compose myself

so many times. I am lucky enough that I get to meet these people. Did you did you get? Did you interact at all with the story I wrote about that when I find met Henry Rawlins, No, so I was working on an audio book at us. The weapon, Burbank and Z ended, and I'm walking out through the lobby guy sitting at the that it's uh, it's like a little it's a little bar. It's not like I'm not like an alcohol. Barbara just pick up on a table, builtin belong reading on an Ipad and he's looking down as I walk past. My see he's got this black flag tattoo on the back of his neck, and it's really cool, and it's like it's all like this. Do this old school blacks like fan and I fucking love black flag, and I walked by, and I said I said I love your black flag. Tattoo. I've been trying to talk myself into one and he looks up any goes? What and I go.

Oh my god, you hurry roads and I felt all the blood just vanish from my body right leg. I felt I was simultaneously like sinking the ground and like the kind of floating out through my skin should suddenly ceased to contain. My body- and I said to him, I'm really sorry! People do to me sometimes, and it makes me feel really awkward and where an uncomfortable, but I'm gonna, do it to you and I'm sorry, but your work. Mean so much to me. I I was in drawn a school, I read all of your books and I turn them into monologues and I'm This emotional connection to the things you wrote in getting the van and see a grown man cry and now watch him die, and I need to stop talking, but I can't- and it makes a you were you'd like it was I felt like I was there with you, and I'm I'm sorry, but my name's will and I,

shook his head and goes hi. I'm Henriette I was like I know, and I was like an I just said in Europe your music mean so much to me and just I can't believe that I get to meet you because I can draw straight line between working. Who did and work I do now and I couldn't believe it immediately there's there's not a lot of people who are at this level of I lose my fucking and when I met them not because I like you, work but like you, a massive influence on me and I huge part of like he was a huge part of why I became a writer, because I wanted to write like him and and- and I just like- went by basically just voice where did the nerd spoon all overhand and- and I was like- I need I'm talking and I'm gonna leave now and he sat there like very patiently in kind like listen to me in, and I was like heavy Ross. Gonna punch me in the face.

Ok with their right and he was very nice very patient, and I turned to leave and the door won't open. Basically walk into the door, and I like and I door and it wont open and I push on the door and at what open cause? I've completely forgotten that you have to push a button on the wall. The lender release the door, so I'm standing there after I did like Paulie, voting at the doorway somebody bag in the ribs, like you got a push the button. Unlike that's right, this is real, embarrassing I just like could not get out of their fast. Did it did you, let him say anything but I couldn't man like I I couldn't. I imagine imagine if, like twenty year old us had gotten to meet jaw, Hudson or Bob sag it or

like like who ass a huge, huge, huge influence on us back then well yeah, because what just for hunger, people who don't know where we loved. We watched the young comedian specials when we were kids and sag its stand up. On that. One young comedian special was so fuckin. He was flawless, super fast and super like ensure dirty super dirty and you're the guy who got me to watch tags. Yeah you're, like you ever will give like. We had known each other from three month newer, like ever see Bob say, and I was like that guy you, like no dude, you gotta see this and I think you had the videotape in your car superfast super funding, super dirty and so or emo Philip saw who I did me at at you meant evil. I did he's married somebody. I was in a show with and

and I can remember what was right now and I'm embarrassed about that. But I was like ya, I was like I came to talk to you. I was like you're amazing and I thank you and I couldn't even do it. You know, but it's a different speed we, while I like your work or I love that band right and this person created a thing that never change the course of my life, which is like a thing that I mean that's the thing that happens. I meet people who tell me that about STAR Trek, or they tell me that just a geek or something that I sat on. One of my stupid podcast or some dumb blog posts there at or whatever, and I'm like. I don't wanna take credit for that. You know like maybe maybe I made you think about it like I, I made it possible to think about a thing and what you thought of before, but, like you, did all the work. You know like you to the thing you shouldn't deflect by way. I know about it, you know why, because if someone is event around said you like, oh yeah, no, that's not because you do you want to make

or that if someone had a special experience like that that you're not diminished and I mean they're. Basically, when someone says that's, you they're giving you a gift of where I know this was at a very important thing to me and if you deflected in a where you're trying to not be like. Oh no, I'm nobody don't you know it. Basically, candid invalidated invalidate the experience it. I know it is always good to. I think it's good to be. Like that's, really sweet. I really appreciate that casino. You can do that in a non cocky way, not be like that's right. You know you could be like. I really appreciate it. I think its import. Go. You know you're right, I'm fucking, amazing yeah, and then I take your pants off jirga around around the corner. The old helicopter up, yes, I'd better get going in and let this tiny little pickles a jerk and of but I've totally hijacked what you're gonna show me your phone, but but it was that I wanted to do that. I wanted to call you

right. After it happens, I would like to get this. Oh, I do get it alot I mean in terms of meeting, people in any event, I think I'm better composed. I mean I've gotten good it just because I've done it so much. I've got good it. Just sort of like matching it down in the US a job as a whole to like you, gotta put him at ease and not be of you like you can't be If I got to do with someone in their like boy, I'm like oh no will happen. Sometimes I felt like you know police was really great yeah and we went to Martin short thousand podcast in him. And that was added no you're at his house yeah With that, I felt myself like very gingerly, tethered to like it will. I could feel myself almost you know I think I did a couple times Very sweet

wasn't Erica's, as I called it an update properly? I guess happened until I checked his instead graphs man caught my eye to eye checkers Israel every morning just to see if they get you know. On the one hand, I look at my Instagram feed in and I can't go like. Oh I'm sycophantic piece of shit, but I think part of I think part of it is that I am genuinely appreciate every minute of it enter. I mean like. I still can't believe believe it you view as a matter of fact, privately after we did the giant clerk police podcast, we all disbursed as Do we go to notice pods and several parts of the country, s right? Yes, you can restore the now. I understand you can't you can't you can't you can't be on the same place. You gonna like the progress of big Asher. So but Chris, as is done in the past, you know very well what happens rarely but

they'll be Amano like Chris sent the picture of all of us with police but right before, that he goes our lives fucking. We take a second and just go. Take that in just think about what's happening. It is like this, it's it has. It is really it is really weird and when a wonderful and a wonderful way- and you know it is a big- I think- that's why it's good too. Start to have success later and fuck up, when you're young, because otherwise I would appreciate it right, and I- and I remember all those times where I wished that I could you know- like oh my god. I would love to just meet that personally. I would love to be working on something I'd, love to work with that guy or that lady or this person in this or this thing or be associated this thing and so near. That's why you that's? Why are people like You you're fake, excited about everything like no I'm genuinely excited, because I know what the altar

it is I you know I I I burned up against peoples. That about you every now and then- and it comes from like of like a kid- you clearly don't Ogress Christmas is fundamental settings are excessive, and really fucking know. There's no! That's that's amusing to me that, That's her up and you gotta make no, no, no it's binders downward comes over, like I guess I pray wouldn't believe it either. If I weren't me like, if I saw someone I'd be like other guys, partly Fulla shit cause, I don't know it's most peoples, heading is not like super excited about stuff in metal. Tell you I get bombed out a lot about stupid shit and I choose of about anybody also can appreciate the craziness of like this gig. There have during the five years, the meaning of these people in getting genuinely excited about a lot of shit. It's crazy shit that I get excited it's crazy to me that in ninety ninety two,

you know we're in a shitty apartment and Westwood. I think our asses off at rents, me and misery side theater and we still get to do shit but now it's kind of our jobs. Here, that's crazy, and it is incredible that we both because you know there are periods where we didn't much not for any bad reason is just like our live or lifelike Zipcar Asia, but it still like there's a rubber band, anything we're it pull this apart and then, like sort of like we met back and it's like This is my journey. This is my journey holy shit. Our legal delightful. It is to be a bit like a will. I consider your friend of mine and just the delight in will sending will weaken a text that is a gift of himself on Sartre. Can I get innovation from my father kind of like you kind of grow up and see what their mutant powers the early delightful. It is to be a bit like a will I can see your friend of mine and just that light and will sending we a text that is a gift of himself,

our trick. I get innovation from my phone, so much delighted that, for me I have three loaded it with a laugh, give what it's you said that to be looking at that I was like my life is so fucking weird. I moved a thing I It is a thing. People stand each other on their phones and my friend just So I will say that I think it's I I think that it safe to say that we We have said we have really fucked the snake out of the cage at first, but first, where we noticed broadcast my castle episode. That was, but it was Lacheneur mobility like the forties or its yeah. There's only two digits in their part Gallagher know that detail. For some reason. I feel like that. No,

to find out else too bad by the way you you a lot of the earlier episodes of the pie. Cats are no longer able on Itunes because Itunes, only log the last like three hundred episodes, but if people go to noticed TAT, Lib sin yeah, why s way and dot com, Slash RSS, feed or just noticed that com you can get the. U can get all the episode their answer. I am re launching radio, free burrito and finally, well, I got really busy and I just Didn'T- I didn't have time to do it and now I realize guess of areas and now we re actually really want to do its part of this, like over the next six months. I'm doing this thing where I'm like on my stuff, I'm working on stuff from means that are working on suffer other people, and part of that is just having a regular podcast again and so I'm relaunch it, and I went looked at and I was like holy shit like my my ability to pay stuff on the internet and like manage stuff as good? So much since I was doing this pie like why. Why are mine? Why isn't this unsound club

I said this unless and what this isn't. Even in, like White United, like I gotta get on it, I loved, I remember, having Having lunches with you- and it's like sitting in trying to figure out like yeah, but how do we may, how do we make a thing? How do we make a thing we gotta we manifest. You know the rest of the business doesn't seem to want us three dimensional means: how do we make our own economic. How do we are the ship. Do any way into the thing. Yet it supports us. I feel like I feel, like a lot of the stuff that that I've spent my whole career kind of like chasing success in tv in movies. I had this. That's the thing had talked about you guys about this like privately, but I had this sort of his this this moment of clarity, I was like you now. Holly just as not into me and that's ok, it's just not the

Camera version of either, just not that into I've got a really successful voice. Career like I'm, video games and audio books and animation like tons of work all the time and of the stuff that I do online is really successful in rather than trying to like convince about her me into a party that really doesn't want me to be there. I'm gonna go to my but when I go to the party that I'm actually on the guest list, for you know who, with hookers blackjack and I'm just and I'm just gonna work and stuff for myself and sorry so you must be waiting for the hookers in black jack. You mean the stuff from Nickelodeon. No that's jack was confusing. I love this world where she's had been turned upside in Jays, its basic aid worth we don't know. We don't know if they're coming Jirga,

but but it's been, this put its purely theoretical and like I could be totally wrong. You know, but I feel like the the the creative world that we that wherein is and the creative rural that people at Grayson Hannah are in and that and John or in is like we're leaving into the future and and the like rest of the like entertainment complexes like got? as to come, where we are and every time I have pride to- and this is coloured by just the frustrations of working with cipher channel is like try. To lean back and drag these corporation. And I'm just trying to get him into fucking. Ninety thousand nine. Ninety nine that I'm

we really excited to sort of still try to put a site counter on their yeah I'm trash trying to. Unlike you guys, you really need to be in a website. You really need to be unaware, bring any needed. Let you need like an embedded media on your web page, Let me now like that, and also when you're pages of Finnish. Indeed, this animated under construction guy to let people know This is what, when it is finished, what you need to have is like twenty pop up windows, yeah, that's how they know that it's their yo and that's a great place to put extra information. That's right, yeah! You can do this on Netscape navigator yeah, which is naturally very just launch websites and throw and under construction thing up just go when I buy did that that I put that on my now I was I was five will not know it was no. I did that like two years ago, when I had movement, Typepad toward press and- and I was like self hosting my blog- and I was like it's time- you know it's time to do this in like take over this again put up a stupid undergoes

and then I put up the drudge siren somebody's over- why I every year. I had this idea and I never do it, but every year four April fool's, I want to make my website look like it's on geocities globally. Should an and do all that terrible side employ a lot more work than it seems. I know it really well, because a lot of the I know to do that in strict html. I dont know how to do it with style sheets. A lot of the tags, and I know how to use to make things. Look that way have been depreciated, so they won't even render in a browser anymore Do we have this looks best is like opera version point. Nine optimized after hides end, Cs Amos Ache. Well, I think I'll them illegally that take away for people is what we say a lot, which is you know, don't don't change

as much as you know. I think it's important to sort of lean back sit on your heels, don't be a new dopey. Toes reaching out. We think of it like, being in water and trying to grab at a school of fish. You know just sit still figure out who you are figure out. What you like be comfortable with that and then you know see comes out of you and then fuckin dont worry about. You know I mean it's good to take. Back into consideration in your when you're making things you should be forming a relationship with your audience, but you know how separable amount of, an acceptable amount of you know you can disregard the mega compliments and disregard the mega, insults and sort of take their Samuel era, throw away the outliers and then and then take gambling from the middle and sort of sea like okay well, this is working and this is not working and you know but yea waiter and another look at that is you're, never as good as they say in your number as bad as they say right.

And I think a really important skilful for four makers is to figure out. How to separate the useful feedback and criticism from the noise, and that's that is not easy to do. I think. I think the the less emotional feedback is gas. I sometimes feel like maybe the more real. That can be. Obviously, if you get a ton of people yelling at you, you obvious doing something: that's creating an emotional reaction yeah, but if someone goes your site buck and socks like ok do does. But if someone says like hey, listen, you know this really hard to navigate is very difficult to navigate and would be a lot easier if you constructed a system where the that's like. Ok with you very well thought out. Yes, thank you for your vote criticism and I should probably pay attention to that because this person is the same as in any interpersonal, lichen and interpersonal relationships, the points are true.

Make when you're yelling are that's not what that's you're, not true the really achieve a goal there you just trying to make someone feel bad or you're just trying to be you're just random. Your opinion on them as opposed to hey. We really need to talk, because this is in this area have happened, and I am concerned because This and do I need to do this, and can you do this like it's? the reasonable criticism, and I think I think that reference to like your at your end goal is different there right so like when you have that conversation, whether its with a person in your life or a member of your audience or or a client or whatever you. You are king to identify and resolve a problem and that's a fundamental difference. From I just want to yell about a thing, so don't be a dick right

nice, even if all especially when you don't be a dick also. We have learned that we're spoiled assholes yeah and when you know what I think that, as its end, its also really acted. This is very important were extraordinarily privileged. We live, we privileged where we live. We live life and unjust scholars. This difficulty setting and they have ever intelligent at an end, and we have the celebrity cheat enabled and its. I think it's very important for that and not get entitled and not take things for granted and like don't like don't hoard stuff, you know and and every time I have an opportunity to like help a person. The way people helped me. I always try to do that, because, like none of got where we were without, without other people take a chance on here and at night. I think it's important and- and it's not not just not just

for us, but for other people. Listening to this, like it's, I think it's very, very important to just be a cognizant of whatever your privilege happens. To be. And and recognise that not everybody maybe has it, as is easy as as, as you know, we did our way was had our own version of things being hard. Well, it and the part of the problem can be that's. You. You know you get to a certain point in your teenage years and I feel like you're, your ego just sort of freezes. Yeah and it's like that's used, you know, it's easy to lose sight, because in your head, you're still this teenage kid, whose being looted from everything rake as you like, weird stuff, and so it's easy to get your feelings

In its also easy to forget, sometimes that your privilege- because you still you know you're still You'Re- still that kid whose enacting picked for things- spent most of my spent, though my late twenties and early thirties like apologizing to people in my life for being shitty, when I was late teenager and early twentysomething, because I didn't We need better when I was at age, which I think is sort of, like, I think, that's kind of a class feature of that particular level. Every day, I just think that's like you can't remove that from your build. Right leg. It's it's it's on the skill treated. You have to take it so that you can get to the Kurds that later. But so you know inasmuch as we talk about these amazing things. Are we going to do? We are very fortunate, but I also think we did work very hard and but but I also feel

that is achievable by anyone. I mean you take it from two people whose, quite frankly, both of us had that point. Where was like our careers are dead yeah and anyone in the business would have alike. Dennis guys, yeah yeah yeah yeah, can you bury the pet cemetery better. It's gonna be a punch line no zone it. You know that were to to rest too, to be able to if weak. If we able to sort of resurrect these desiccated corpses of careers that we had? I feel Anyone can achieve thing they want, who want to achieve because accept being king of the nerves, That's right. It's not me. I loved your tv s front that I got married. Eighty was that in any way- and you know that in torso shorts. I really but when you hosted singled out either

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