This is Jacko Podcast number two. Ninety two with ECHO Charles and me Java willing getting. Good evening. August, second, two thousand six. Was the worst day of my life range obeyed, been. Gravely wounded by a single enemy round that hit his weapon as he looked down sites and rip into his face right? him blind and critically injured. and then soon after Ryan was wounded. Mark Lee. Who had stepped into the enemy line of fire, to engage the enemy and protect his teammates while assault. the building, was sharp, killed. Mark was a larger than life

character, in every aspect of smart ass Charismatic, charming talented, tough Men also hilarious and faithful and loyal, and obviously brave now he was gone, And in tasking browser we closed ranks to get through it. We celebrated his life. We mourn his loss. And then we loaded him on his last flight home, his angel flag. And we got support from our chain of command from my commanding officer. it's your team three hour Command Master chief, the operations master chief

and the rest of seal team, three backed us up and assisted us as we worked through this devastation. But it didn't stop there. I gotta our call in my tax cooperation centre there was from. Ro Joe Maguire, These senior seal officer in charge of of all of naval special warfare. George you'll teams in charge the boat teams in charge, the training centre in charge of everything, and I had previously worked for him directly for thirteen months, as is the camp and I do how busy he was, and I knew what his daily schedules like, and I knew the demands were upon him. But I also knew that he cared

Deeply about the seal teams, he cared about his seals. And he cared about me and he called you check in with me. And to check on me. And when he called. He told me that he was reviewing the silver star that I had submitted for mark, It is about descended directly. To the chief of naval operations for a signature based on my Recommendation. You told me that he was sorry for our loss. And he assured me that he would take care of marks family. He also told me that we were doing the right thing and keep doing To keep taking the fight to the enemy to keep,

eliminating enemy fighters to keep protecting the local populace to keep the pressure on. because the war was over. And the enemy wasn't going to stand down, we still have work to do a lot of it. Then he knew that, and so did I. And that men who want to know That the admiral. In charge of all the seals was there for us. was therefore mark. Four marks family About three months later, Over twenty first, two thousand and six. my plane landed at name

air station, nor, if, with the last members of task unit browser to come home. An animal Maguire was there. To welcome is home to be sure there. We were ok. Because he cared about his seals. He cared about his troops. That meant a lot and soon. I was hoping my wife and kids on the tarmac. But even as I embraced my family, I knew I had brought all my mental and that that burden will always be present, but it

help to know that leaders like animal Maguire were there with to help shoulder that burden to support us to take care of the families of our fallen down. It's an honor! Tonight, to have Admiral Joseph Maguire here with us to show Some of his experiences and lessons learned. from his thirty six years of military service, and experiences in the civilian sector am thank you for coming by. Joe, go it's an honor to be with you. I really is in which been eternal belongs long. Since you and I've been together, we ve been through an awful lot together, but damn it's an honor with you in an absolute honoured to be with you on this podcast. So thank you so much for those kind words and thank you for the warm welcome I'm sure we'll get into that a little bit more, but to start off with it lets

at the beginning, which, I believe, as in Brooklyn, That's why you're more night, you gonna plant with a logical forget about it, that's why you know America's fourth largest city, four billion people. Now is this right. You look great burger. New York City and dumb people dont understand that actually yeah Brooklyn is on long island, so well spent time the ocean, started surfing. When I sixteen with the money that I bought my first born with the money I got from shovelling snow, that's free what suits or lease pre good what suits well a word loose I'll tell you there's no Jacko when I went to argue over budget and a fox out there. I'm sure you know this publicity de jocose podcast, but you know,

Do you show up they? They shake your head completely balled up when I had my head shaped by the instructors, Sidney Equality Shelter over to take a look at my skull is clearly a city, kid, three concussions, but no, but between growing up in Brooklyn and Dog, owing to catholic School The seal instructors worker is absolutely out of the directive, but what would your parents do while my dad was a world war, two veteran, and would he would he doing or two he was. He was military police, so My father was a pat distort army which, to till the day he died, was the proudest thing he ever did in his life and dumb, but the war was different back then that my father was there but made everybody who is there my uncles where their flight surgeons and they went to war together?

and dumb to spent about? Does he actually join the army and nineteen forty before the war started and dumb never came home from MOB Europe after being deployed, for years and in the end of July, and married my mother a week and a half later they d been engaged and on the fifteenth of August who wish shipping out to the Pacific for the Japan and South? Fortunately, he didn't have to go down But my father did join the odd reserves after that and he spent thirty years in United States military and my brother, by twenty six years in the Navy has a supply or officer he retired am I, the brother Bob. I we should have a guy for for six years as well. and when I took my uniform offered no July of our two thousand and ten it was the,

this time in seventy years that immediate member of my family was not wearing the cloth of the nation. So then I could say we we haven't when a mall, but the Maguire were interval in one in the cold war. There's absolutely no doubt about that. So so you you're gonna die. What did you plainly reports besides surfing nice? Well, yeah no, I was a swimmer, dumb, its weather it's not so much in high school but dumb I would say if it wasn't for swimming, I never would ve gotten a bachelors degree. So the season would go in the fall into the winter and I Doug it'll, be other deeds list While I was swimming a disciplined. Will you know about discipline yet, but it is a halter, but was the Swami season took a lapse? So did I- and I just kind of got by this place a master, but does not I spent die swam for my college. I was the captain of the college team and elsewhere for the near Kabila Club and

be honest with you. I thought like most, Yorkers that always I too just live and die in New York City, so beautiful. for the New York Athletic Club all on scholarship and the New York Othello Club. They just two the top swimmers from over the colleges and put us together after the college season and back then it was a year. You and we'd have a swimming. practice shy at the Near cupola club we'd have to go with coat untie practice, but was right next to the central park self We had a stipend credit card for X, dollars a month. So after swimming practice, we went down to the boy to refuel, is itself so that the cod, the course of a couple years will before the new Ikebana club graduating from college, and a couple of This meant that I knew there They should do. We want to take you to dinner. Ok,

so we're at dinner in one of the stay causes in Manhattan and dove my friend, dove but made the petty said we watch it come into the advertising firm. Well, you know guys I'm not even a business major. What is it that you, we do Joe or What you do is entertain the clients who wrote to the business. I could do that, so get ready to be a madman damn goaded about Madison Avenue. brothers leeway years as this is nineteen. Seventy four so so when, when you're grown up I mean Vietnam is going on adult brother, my brother's served. Vietnam was my, but both my brothers, and obviously you know, I've had it that decision you, the graduate from college or you're, going Vietnam, as enlisted guy but my father, being a colonel in my own region, should look come not the dish, I mean you know, you were less demand yourself, that's the hardest part, but in vain,

is the ensures that the military and the Ngos are due to fighting and dying gone, but down my phone encourage me to finish college and then go. If you, If you really want to go into the service. You know then go on with your college. we saw graduated to nineteen seventy four, but the war was was offered by then and die. So my brother from my father, I heard that I was going to go into Madison Avenue, so he was too here in San Diego on the USS Ranger and flew to New York City, arranged for Ed Officer Canada's school test for me and I did not participate in this decision, was sitting at the kitchen to Adam. My father goes bed forty till you brother you to take the two officer counter the schools he's five years. Did my father look at me little Kay, so so I went down there now, keep in mind I'm swimming. I got

pared down to my shoulders back then it's all bleach blonde from the glory and saga go down and I take the tests which, like the US eighties, damn. I'm very deliberate, actually low do a lot of big words that I had to sound out the tasks, and so your turn that you turn the paper in and dug the greater the paper and deeper if the individual based on- and I was one of the very last ones to finish and it was a crummy office. There in Manhattan was downtown. Right by city hall, and only I was little Luke Roby office providers that you're like a teenager below it and only goes up but forty feet, and they folding chairs at the other side, and you could hear everything on the other side. So they are bringing to manage and guy. Well, you know: Mister Smith, you can the test again next year Orgy Mr Brown, you take the just to get so. Nobody was passed to the test so up I took my brother. I dont think I trust you will say so

I get it I sit down and we go so choose you wanna join the Navy. No man To his brother smacks me in the head. Join the ok The record is looking at me like: what do you want to do now? My brother supply or officer, he wants to be a supply or officer, show. here, that's what I want to do so look at the school and look at my brother. This is my brother's proudest moment brother disquiet at the camp is apply, or else so I said well. What do you want to do a bit like this? This is only but about fifteen hours. So get the wheels turnin and dumb. Now then we were doing the APOLLO recoveries and I d D, the David

The astronauts would land in the water, and sometimes, recovery, carry wasn't there, they had so they had these beer. Human interest stories, sorry Firstly, there was a human the story about the recovery and there were. two seals up ad who were? the olympic team now I was not of the Olympic him not at that caliber Bobby They were, I knew of them and one was Shelty one and one was a new teaching thirteen and they did it too. They did a human interests story on the seals, and now Why Jacko? This is nineteen. Seventy four we have. the eight hundred people in the community. Nobody knows what it is and arm This is what you gonna. Do you don't know what to do? I want and you Don T give him hardwood right so that all I mean it. look alike. What do these guys were? Aviators, surface warfare guys so there? this to my brother on which will be back soon No. They went back from her chair,

Polly like you're, buying a car work. I gotta go talk to my manager, Pickaback Timmins later they took to my brother. Let me well but what has shut down? He still standing over me and sit in the chair, because I was told us and they turned My brother's first, they turned me this was Joe, but there's no commission offices in unity, guilty proceeded to tell him that PS, Patron Saint BS and, of course my brother's backs Vienna head again and because they would lie to you know here with civilian nocturnal. My brother, I go there, quarters and they were lime wire to amuse. You know ourselves They, I won't go into surface work to the. U S, S Coronado, and I spent your time on that become a surface warfare officer before I got to Coronado California, to become seal, I'll show you this that dumb, the demanding life on board ship by the time I

to budge trading. I thought was good. You guys were quitting, has put my alarm around them are given costly session Sicily, you, know what it's like. We gotta many more down the street life is good You have to gross such good aussi S, ideas that what you did I housing. How is that shocking experience well You realize like in the first couple of days that you ve been duped. The clock in the morning and then waking and you gotta be outside in five minutes new pity gear pitying come on I don't know that was a great experience actually and that it was the beginning. Tremendous maturation start for me to actually military god. Oh she s have drill instructors teaching you they had expectations, they had standards,

and and also you know, you were measured and you had to live up to something and dumb really was transformational for me and dumb. I wound up. Do we pretty? Well those? Yes, Damn did well on board the ship and dump you want by the time I got to get a bunch class and ninety three we as usual. But can we stop over two hundred and forty seven guys in the class and fit with seventeen, and I was standing there and Let us be honest with you, Jack hope: nobody, but noble More surprised that we begin to. I told Cathy bone marrow you, the honor me Bobby, I told you rather weak back from San Clemente. She was how you doing all that got to catch up to me this week. I know I'm going to get killed this weekend or just never know till you graduate and when they announced for the automated was just like

it must be some mistake, no but yeah. So that would not one was a great express issued. A blood spots is a defining thing and hell weakest, redefining think for all of us, but the one thing about that is your all starch there at all shapes it, and you know every us whether you are the admiral with his folks in remedy influenza or the guys have been in collusion with you are the guy with storage in his collar or the guys with dumb prince on his his collar. We all at the same warfare insignia, there is no doubt between a seal officer and a ceiling demand as far as what he had to do to earn that other career is different over the time. But it's one thing we all understand it was the crucible, its defining thing and you go through that end. It start your job that doesn't really make you a seal. When you get your tried and pinned on you, that's your beginning of

how to really become a seal, and it takes you till the day. I took off my uniform I learned every single day and is, as you know, the saying goes: you ve got to earn it every single day. was there anything at, but that was hard for you. If you were a collegiate swimmer, the swims must have been like a GEO, a bee bread, a break for you Can I ask questions? What am I right where you can run a? No? No, so so so that's the point that really really upset me Jacko is that budgets are running club Swimming Club, but that is one saved me because I don't think I ever told you this you there, but I wonder with a broken leg in third phase, so your stress, fracture and dumb, I was not a bad runaway we're up that third phase we probably had about twice. You guys, twenty four guys in the class, and I was up with the top five. Whatever

time runs or real. When you do, you run a that's one doktor. About. Do you write the road but I was having a lot of trouble and dumb. I didn't know what it was vital a lot of trouble. I'm ten, this behind the classic, but our rotted, the Euro, the Euro Europe. You do stroked his watch this stuff, so back then we did not have the facilities and the help that or a young of candidates have and da. We haven't you six corpsman, and he told me you said I want you to comment. I had to leave the class no work well into third phase. We had gone to the ILO jet, but dumb I want you to go across the street. Get an x ray, yes instructor the Dutch always right answer, so I can I come hobbling out of the third phase office and the sooner realistic guy she did you Johnny Johnson, outside

ok, a cigarette like any good sealed and all of a sudden. He says you must stop. You know what instructed you to stop. You stopped get over here, so I go over. This is where you go and so on unity. From going to question, read for an archway dialogue. of course not seem too, because, what's up You like a little role since I tell you Mr Mac, you got a broken leg There is no doubt in my mind you gonna broken leg, so here's the deal you go back there, you put your medical record in their I'm, not gonna guarantees, but if you will got it out will see what we could do you'll soon achieve and so I went back in there and actually it was two. I was always behind it runs, but I was able to hop. are the obstacle course. I still finish it top five and now because this all technique, but we used to run, as is usual Jacko from the compound down to the centre centre, Beach and corn Otto, which is

ugly little over mile return like an arrow at a dead in the water. So I would be the ass one of the water by light years, but I would be the first one out of the water so at least the instructors knew that on pointing out. But the other thing. I think that their with Leah, detained that they really did. Why didn't want me out you know the folks who are out there doctors, the ones that really they are the gatekeepers for gonna wind of going to a shield team and they are doctors for just a limited period of time, and then back to the seal team and the young men, that their training are going to become their teammates so for the most part, their sizing them no, not only to meet the standards but also the kind of shape position do that, I want to be achieved with and if I get to trouble animal and on the left is it. I got one of these guys in my left in my right, and I think that, even if I was having today

call time there. I was most fortunate to have good instructors and back then I mean everybody was. Vietnam, veteran everybody. Everybody had to say start, and I was blessed to have a medal of honor recipient is what a by instructors of MIKE Thornton and show me as well more ways than one but come these guys had known the crucible of combat and down They were looking at students and nobody really cared of nobody. Graduated back then, but does Looking at you can we trust the sky and combat, and I think that was the standard and but I have to say in retrospect: it wasn't me it was. structures that really showed me tremendous kindness but dumb just it was not easy, be enabled to do the stuff that we needed to do up at

they came to trading. There was a class must be just before it wasn't wasn't class. Eighty five, eighty six were literally no one made that's correct. What or class do no class them when I was but I think you're close, but the other one was abalone. Nicholson's class went up, for people and how we can use the instructor. His hat Help them carry the ideas because they could for guys good current vs. His drugs has made up we're, never gonna. Let people has got to be at least six guy. It's here tat would Eric had four guys when you young, she's graduation picture and one of the EU, one of the students has a foreign student in his class or three Americans and went far guy, but it was a different different, the time that good but you'll be instructors out of the back of their built up a bull cap. Made them quick show There were standards, but did they pay?

which, on their own, as far as though, what they wanted to do, but I'll be honest with you, these are There's that I had tremendous respect for and a risk for their combat experience and they were, they were great instructors. because they were intense and if you didn't, have the standard then, if you will making the standard- and it was wished to see a classmate go, but in retrospect they were right. This guy would not have fit in. Choice but yeah and then do so. graduating under that off to jump school, which is always airborne assent. You know when we close granted to three. You hit airborne school. I'm sure was the The challenge to keep your I'm sure, there's a lot of challenges that airborne school for you, I can imagine, the runs were not as challenging is trying to control your mouth. Talk in the army. Folks know

don't call me that occur in a couple of times, so actually so for those people out there have been too what better. You understand this young that, the army is a little bit different than the other, that the scheele tubes to some degree and dumb an evolution, and then They would do as they would have the the class line up and you go online and you'd pick up trash and those guys walkin picking up trash and the black cats chips where would you doing postponement of trash? I'm not pick it up. Trash pick up number pick it up. We have to see the curve, so critical, instead, the mare tension, me a parade rest. What's up, I so well colonel. I'm a commission office in those states Navy, She bridging the required

I got to do with it. I said you remember the colonel wound up in the cooler because they make in his officers work because it was a violation of the Geneva convention. Please look about me, I said so too Your commission offices, picking up trash. You realize that you got a violation of the Geneva Convention, so he threw out of his office, but May. The other she'll offices with be did not have to pick of trash. Our own, so you're dumber, thereby school after what you did to twenty one after you reach twenty one, so it was underwater demolition, team, twenty one and dumb, but just like and she'll training. all the guys there for them or not. We're guys there from the korean WAR, stay. Judy too didn't go to Vietnam. They want you, Vietnam, is you teaching, but there were formed he'll team, two guys we're Chilton to, and are you two to twenty one and they went back and forth, but does so

You want of getting five or six jobs at basic airborne and dumb then, We had a job schedule shortly after I got back to the team from for what bedding and we went up to Fort Lee to arm to do because it in the teams back, then you get TAT Job and you had to buy a kick a beer. They got lieutenant J J. The nugget there, whose so they're gonna get me for jobs today does show it was an old you which one Vietnam, single engine and dog they they the doors put them all away back? Do you sitting there? This is static line, jump and they take us the decline of the hook you into a cable just below the transmission on the on the helicopter, and you sit with your life. Outside the helicopter and is just a little tape that goes cross you and will you you get on board at first and the air does not do any turns up. So then,

aircraft command distrust do the turn up and helicopters. Rock, and back and forth instituted and all of a sudden I look around us. These are all all sooner enlisted guys and one by one take their teeth out of their mouth and put it in your pocket, I was the only one of the stick of eight that actually have teeth in his mouth out there and I think to myself. What did I get it? this is a unity or they hockey player so well make a long story short. It was a long day, but I bought a capability and wars that what was the would you do as at unity, twenty one to go. We do for the points where the shipboard opponents or Yahoo shipboard deployments made quite a few diplomas to the Caribbean back then we had a much more robust fleet, so we they made caribbean deployments european deployments northern european deployments. So I made several career

deployments shalt american employment, but in addition to that, We also had time to go to schools and I'll get a job to some of our Gub CIA schools in these other things. In regard to it who, targeting and and really because it was all explosives. It was underwater demolition and she really good at daddy. Their combat double the kitchen demolition other things, but I also then, at that point in time, Jacko with she decided to take some intelligence courses and just cut it. Well, I think that Intel and Naval special for a kind of go hand in glove, shall want to learn. Much as I care about the intelligence community, while I'm there, but I had an opportunity to it'll, be a department had there as well, I then dog it'll be a charge of a unitary platoon, which back then was so you don't twenty five men soak it. It was good and, of course, my chief myopia

you know both those guys who got silver stars and dumb. School was in session. You are in charge of the officer. There is absolutely no doubt about it, but you better Would you dont know Abbe? to listen to those who do and these guys very lovingly. I mean this is surely took me under their wing and adopted me. and I ll be honest with even back then Rudy bar. She was the command master chief at a chill team chewy. He began The commission must achieve a nineteen sixty two and left in nineteen. Eighty, seven chuckled basketball, partly ball hawks, but a hoodie. But even if I was in a duty to my appeal in my chief steward she'll team. Two guys asshole Rudy and Rudy, and his wife than mentored Cathy and me until we close friends until I tell tee it started suffering from Alzheimer's,

these, but it doesn't hurt to be a young officer who was in Vietnam in ought to have folks here who take you under their wing and teach you and though the best thing not necessarily the operational things think the thing that I owe them more for a jog is like a child. Clock in the morning when they put their armour Abbe Shea, it's time to go home, sir, have time to go back. Thank you. Just dinner, your kicked in New York comes out around three o clock in the morning after x number of beers. So You didn't see. You were married to Cathy before you went to butts. Absolutely I tell you what you are you people, ask were well you're. Where did you honeymoon? Or not of elderly California account so they are is kind of interesting. yeah I was on the ship and were deployed to the Mediterranean. I held orders to work to buds and dumb

I came home flew in about a MAX lighted to Philadelphia, Cathy lived in New Jersey and I went to see her first now This is a dangerous thing. Clearly, I've been overpaid, all my life, that point in time most making the princely sum of eight thousand dollars, but wait when you, when you for a peace, yes, you're able to take it's called it advanced pay which is short of an interest free loan, except you pay it back show. I got out of the one. I got a prodigal two thousand dollars, twelve hundred dollars or whatever so now I'm in a meeting in New York walking Fifth Avenue with my honey. We Can the chimneys and I say, let's get going, when she picks out a ring? I get gazed activities we get, Two weeks later, we gonna short honeymoon, too, were to say cry: come back pack up the car.

drive out too were to seal trading. Damn, it's kind of a shock when you go off to work one day you come back after the instructors of shaved, her hair and what happened to my boy, but I will tell you this does not mean that we saw it. Is it it's a different thing back then, People did know about she'll training and by TAT. I was awful to me to be married in, and then that during that time frame, but necessary later on yours on Three show much stuff that been there from day one and she understood lady, she understood how the community was built, and people, even today, rely rely heavily on on her. For that but dumb yeah. It is not something I wouldn't recommend for everybody should be honeymooning as you go through. She'll training, but dumb waiter

God bless her while the thing about it is that neither of us any idea were getting into debt. you must have known very little about seal training back then I mean even I when I went there went through a nineteen? Ninety want, and I had seen one in order to be someone special video. That's it there were no internet. There was no books talking about it now. You're, so much information out there. You can watch all of buds and guys know what the schedules gonna be in all that back then is blind to disrupt the blindfold off you and shake your head. That's oil! So on fast forward twenty years and now the commander. officer of the Naples, Peshawar version or a bunch so Catholics. To meet me for lunch. We're gonna go out the cornerstone. Have some lunch and on the telephone, come to the office and dumb Secretary says he'll, be with you in a few minutes. So she standing on the balcony overlooking the grinder as he instructors or mode

waiting for someone to speak a first phase class and so come out off. We go the lunch there, at lunch now launched with about twenty years when through training with me she said TAT. I need to ask your question was sweetheart. You have to do that very wicked training. No, I should sweetie. Even then they knew twenty years later. I could be the commanding officer this place and of course I did so sorry because I'd come home and she go. Let's go to dinner. Ok so how long you do at unity. Twenty one I did I did I guess about due to two and a half years, maybe three years, and then back then good. We were long is pretty time just we are weak. decimated have to Vietnam Duchess unity, but that the whole community So we are on the whole Navy, UNICEF to see the whole navy and all the military after Vietnam that, yes,

true, but back then, the the target was Russia. and we were gonna- handle Russia with a blister with the nuclear triad, got it right, and so, if you're not part of the nuclear Triad alone I wasn't a nuclear weapons programme, a duty to whom we had to deliver the be fifty four Saddam and dumb show leaked. We had three o success, then that's it and the three of them got together and decided. need a sense of junior officers out into the fleet as flag, lieutenants and so now this is always a bad sign. What I'm I'm deployed down to the Caribbean and the ex Oh Tom, Richards, you're, wonderful, tumblr, it comes down to visit fitted. This is odd that the echoes gonna, so we but today, with this doesn't say anything and we we're flying back up to North Dakota. She nine because the whole plain to ourselves against the window and the so comes, insists next.

I may not be like I'm a popular guy. I know that, but if I knew something was up everything albeit a flag, lieutenant inertia. Though, you should think about that. No sir, and I I will try to be persuasive. Talks had look. I was in the fleet, couple years, I'm did you right now. I need right you're. After this I gotta go to seal team. He says well the car Who wants to see you tomorrow, this storm in Orbit Olsen, who got thus we just had a memorial service for Norman and really here when the guys it's that shape this is you can be applied it's as simple as that. Your commoner is so I want to go to Japan. As which and wound up, looking for the first time but made a helicopter pilot that made admiral and he it already, the APOLLO recoveries, every day was a space mission for me with this guy.

it had to be exacting it had to face and it would drive along one day and he goes I'm going to make you the best flag, lieutenant fleet, even if it kills you charge? Oh, my gosh show you well in your way up what I will tell you this you learn, you'll learn, as you know, you'll, learn and dumb. But the interesting thing is I do myself all the animals out there and we had the Fleet readiness Board up and, under your Kuchma, hosted by the seventy commander jazz about thirteen. Do you not rules there and a breakfast? You know they sit there together and all the yoke. All of us, bad carriers we go off to decide walking by with my tray, the fleet commander goes a Joe, come join us It would be an honest man what's wrong with this picture, so they were

on the table at the autonomy that end which really true with the time you can't go back to shield him right now, your wherefore officer. You ve got your men. Potential. If you go back, into the seal teams. You will never ever ever get promoted this was in nineteen eighty one and true at that time. Most of the commanding officer of seal teams will degenerate commanders passed over for commander. We only had a handful of captains and there was no real crew path for that. I told them. I should well look. I'm goin. And the only advice they gave me then well go to Fiji school. Ok that was, those who betrayed off but It was true at that time and a little bit in up a little bit about my father, Vienna, curdled reserves, the same thing back then that you know you'll have a couple of good years, but don't you know

never never be promoted. Pastoral China commander it's as simple as that and uh. You know I went to his grave one time and put my three star old boards on his studio, so that that's how long you do that you do not job is the aid the flag eight hundred years? I never feel not. I was twenty five march, but all too often Jacobin that one of the best things about that I mean this is surely, is that I was the aid for city of seventy six young lit out a shock. The first lieutenant named Joe done for who is the aid for she d? Have seventy nine Joe and I spent twenty five months together. Killer Pacific travelling everywhere together and dumb and after we both finish that tour. You Joe storing the court for careers. We stay close and dumb but which, genuine deployment

battalion commander, he wound up people being the speechwriter for the commandant. A lot of other jobs at what will deserve, but it Actually, Joe Dumford and your matters that asked me to come back into government and tab I hate them both for that nobody will now, but the thing about it is with, with both those of two men that I hold in very high esteem. And I also figured wealth. You note, judge general. Madam secretary matters, came back into government and showed been there, thirty nine years you I just said to them a few guys taking one for the team I'll give it a go and we'll see how it goes, but I just could not say no to those two men man, but just want an order and then to actually get a the administration, and be directed national intelligence sitting at the National Security Council meeting with Jody for it to my right, just you know you just it's a small world and you just don't know better

but you didn't take their advice and you did go back, resulting that was your I did. I did as a matter of fact and dumb journey continues? So I the two words to seal team to and at that time Kirk Commander Rick Woolard. Why is that ending officer of she'll team to an fully, so he wanted to develop an undersea capability. So we wound up no, but to be honest with you back, then we were not very good had good swimmers, we had good athlete We had wrought equipment, we didn't have tactic techniques in procedures. We really didn't know we didn't know and dumb wreck through Our senior officers and the chief naval operations were able. stylish by personal exchange programme pellet. Ah, and bring over a french commando from committee. you, bear and

in my estimation, commander, you bear the best combat divers in the world, military, combat, divers and dumb God. Francois was charged with establishing a combat swimmer program that debt to this day was the. most arduous program that that I had ever been true and dumb with vague, are extremely high, attrition right, but not We could do it, but not everyone can swim oxygen either, but in addition, that programme that Rick? Also we are looking back on this. It seems hard to believe get permission to buy foreign sales of doing so. We were able to move. The first was to get the dragon german and then we have crossed the dragon Jack, it's french, and yet it was a prohibition against that because we buy American, but it was the best technical undersea combat swimmer stuff. We had an dumb. We did dumb extremely poor company, which is most fortunate that you know

Robin Hood tour there and then dont, platoon, commander and dumb in October of nineteen. Eighty two, which we just got fair. Troops so hard to believe and fast troops were classified, insertion meets and we from the british us? Oh yes used splendid, might not have which so work better. Hell Rudy Bosh brings the rope up. We gotta helicopter and dumb we're doing, when first we don't Rudy is the repel master he's the rope master talk to us about this in I used to be on a ship. You know it's a duck off So I know lie just enough, so I say Day Rudy. What's the tensile strengthened,

nobody can hold. The worry about asylum would hold. Look, don't forget it. You know that was Rudy right. So now Rudy at this point, you Polly knocked at the door to sixty so. We did. A couple run, runs and he's the first one out. and then after, but for Five runs. I just to achieve this- is to be applied, figure out how to crawl a rope and throw it out with helicopter flares. I'll show you since this one out- and so my chief but Jenny is, is gonna. Do it I'm followed by then I've got a good for five knuckle hedge behind me and we go out. and for some reason or other body the operative word, fast rope. He just category would slow and then all of a sudden I don't know what was going on. I thought the helicopter discretion

and I just knew that I was in freefall and your bit getting back and forth bedding kind of criticise a little bit there, but there. The thing to save me is he's going to good Pierre laugh. I put my legs together. I put I ll engine and for one brief. Second, I avoided the chief but baloney. I hit, and for one nanosecond ago I'm good. Then I had I've big frogman land on to shut. It brought my back and upload my pelvis RO lie there and a bunch of rum red guards he's dead. Silence I stood one happen so were obviously with a rope broke. The helicopter went up because of love no longer had that weight, and then he just flair went off, but all I could hear then was you know my teammates, my platoon. When just cut it quietly moaning and I just save the guys. Don't any body move and that even Mr Mcgowan,

We can then, all of a sudden. I realized. I can't move my legs the shop typical back then Our ambulance was a nine passenger Van and the only thing we had the only thing we had on on the Elsie was one body bored, so will we had heavy ambulances come in, so I got rigour taped to the body board. with your head down just to show that you spines not moving but the time they moved you. It was like with them, She would like cracking you knuckles naked, yet Adam then Coptic us back in this land. So the colonel from APL comes and typical pact we never told grew doing Arabs which he did, I think, was a good idea. But he directed the helicopter pilot to take us to marry Washington, a hospice which is close up. They're, not not the closest to close to stop trauma hospital.

and also there were five of us loaded into the other helicopter and some of the evolution of these guys Kennedy and I say to all command me: well, obstructed the body board and said: take us home as it take us to push myth us. It will be in a hospital for a long time. I should adopt my wife, my wife motel. I said you know just gonna take what would it take? Take us to push medieval hospital, so we flew their end to Vienna. We got two are taken and had taken off and dumb They cut your uniform often do also stop but as we're waiting for X rays. We will all honest there waiting room together, the other guys wheelchairs and due to us with broken backs and our work one one guy Kevin Blake of Kevin Wanna, breaking both of his legs when he came down he then head, but

His face went into his knees and but we still do not know what was what so we had. Corpsman from the hospital helping a shout and Kevin says my nose, so stuffy hisses, hey doc, you have a tissue, clever tissue, so the common gets immaterial Kevin blows, his nose, broke all of his sinuses in his face whole face, came away from mom from for the skull we're all laugh and, like the climate Roddy Slick and was always like a Jew carry movie there. His faces up to here we got broken, bones are broken banks, won't let you know

This will put a price on life, so what everyone eventually was able to Europe? No, no permanent injury are now stuck up those guys left but tat. It was a different time back then. I am sorry to say that dumb, and are being admitted into an officer room with the does some retired, Navy captain, but troops wound up being on a ward and there were probably twenty patients on the ward to a clue. Some sailor who had been in a motorcycle accident and he's gonna rotisserie, but is pretty much the death watch, so Georgiana Craven, awe and Cathy note. The two of them were the very best of friends, Juno Bill and I are best reference and they come to visit me and dumb now, catches requests but with beat all Tommy Georgette. I said I do me a favor. I can't get out of bed

Would you go down to check on the guy's she other doing so they went down and on chemicals? is interaction with two hair dryers on his on his cast and Cathy Soup What are you doing? The doktor said I could get out of here issues by Castra, but need They had been washed they ve been. We ve been the fuel for eight to ten days. They had come flash on them, your hair, so I mean no. These are two sailors: mothers, sons that been in the hospital for a couple of days and they ve still got demanded hair. Sure Cathy and George, I'm a Craven in oak got shampooed the guy's wash. camouflage off them and dumb eulogists. What you need to do for for a fellow teammate and dumb

it was glad to say you know what I've been hospital since then, unfortunately, and dumb, navy. Medicine is really superlative now, but it was again once again after Vietnam, with the entire military was suffering but dumb, I deployed that we should know hollowing over eighty two and deployed to Europe in March of eighty three five months later and jumped into macro handiest land and then also conducted a major exercise, flintlock exercise with the mice, one partner, Chuck Williams and a week from a U boat, you german Youtube or nine that we and we, Was it so we had locked in a lock out to the german torpedo tube, which was an excellent adventure. It's not for everybody But when we left the submarine we in the water for thirteen hours in the Baltic.

this is in late March or early April of eighty three, with its surface temperature was thirty nine degrees, but obviously would doubt about ten feet and you're, just really glad that did you know I had a ad Lib telling me about the don't we were able to do everything that we were told to do and the two America's one pair of successfully completed the mission and the Germans who the confirmation of very very good from his? Neither this one pair were able to do it once when Pair wound up. Not finding the harbour and wound up in the house, but with hypothermia and at the other swim pair, bailed and dumb. It was, really kind of defining thing for the scheele community to be able to just say you know we did that, but the Germans could speak. English and I could speak German to be able to do, out from a german torpedo, yeah something lost in translation of conflict

and your diamond draggers young man, So that's like eight. The silhouette suits back then were junk yeah, so I grew up surfing and main, and- and I am saying that explains why I'd saved all my money and and bought one of these modern wetsuit at the time was an o Neill source was what it was called and it had an it, had an embedded, hooker or heard that was part of the rest of it had a dry suit zipper. Even those are wetsuit, it had a dry, should zipper gesture. it is much water and there is you can, and I Does your team one with this wetsuit, which was the most modern technology and are we're doing swimmer, lock out- and I remember just that I was in heavy with this wetsuit cause the through its back in the early eighties, which you aware just jump well, enable where we went to budget. Actually, you didn't get away. You know where to turn boys you you did eventually after a little joke, will tell you folks, though, what are the

big, defining things there. It she'll training is too cold and dumb it on Youtube if you show up to Southern California, to see palm trees dont be deceived. Order is called dumb. You know that. we probably shovel weakened the trading before they can. Of course, it was just picks up off the shelf, the other future. Nor will we got what suits but the wet. Again I knew from surfing and main, and I was kind of on the forefront of wetsuit technology, and then I the buds and their issue in these? Where does he routes which they don't fit you? It was an old school beaver tail with a zipper up the front. I mean you, he they bear, we helped they bear. Let me they provided some some bit of warmth, but barely the swimmer locker so you're in a submarine- and then underwater you get out of the summary and you go when it's it's a very cardinal was like on the euro, but for the american sobs they have.

An escape chamber which is a little ball room? It's a little sphere that you're sitting in and probably what six or eight foot diameter level or on the ballistic missile submarines it is but on the attack. Boats is probably about four feet across its tiny and you're. In there and sir you get in there from inside the sub and then that thing fills up with water as it throws up with water, the pressurize the pressure equalize with what's outside, and you end up with just a little bit of air. A couple inches and then then it equalising and then you can. Then the door opens up and you swim out of the summary. Shall I planet twelve submarines showed for back. Then I get one get your no good. Dijon goes unpunished. You'd, like to that's how I want of doing the German you boat, and it was different now The EU both shopping dog of the Baltic, their electric, show

its shadow, what there is well or or submarines, deep, deep draft, but their silent dislike Why to listen to a battery and dumb show with a completely different experience in that human to online have got a torpedo tubes open about and what they did is in port. They took torpedo out of the port side and the starboard so there's no torpedo now keep in mind, folks that this twenty one inches wide and this about maybe twenty one feet in length. So we had to link up with the German you both in the middle of the sea, the Baltic show now This was planned exercise We fly out of macro. Had his Scotland Dinner Young Airforce, penetrating aircraft, low level over Europe and then over the Baltic by low level. I'm talking about a hundred feet or so, and dumb

we get ready to go. You ve got your your parachute on you, ve got your ear. Your your limit. You ve, got your weapons and the door and you still at a hundred feet and they tell you to get ready. She stand up and then the aircraft comes obvious nickel Belle curve it gets to about nine. feet or so, and everybody his jobs out. So the last man's out the aircraft dives back down. So you wind up in the water, ditch the parachute. link up air, we all get together and then I taking one of my weights and banging it against the oxygen bottle so that the submarine can get through a euro zone. I could pick us he's a word: the water for about an hour and a half to two hours, all of a sudden is out of nowhere, periscope periscope Bobby just scares the daylight Sadie. So this is the best born about it. That right we're in the middle of the Baltic,

the submarine. Is there gotta go to the site of the submarine and tap on it. Certain signal to let them know that as us who else is a good job right. So so That is what they do that doubt that they did. the torpedo tubes averted fluttered. They open the shut the doors- and This is not without great risk, so that the first woman went in feed. First not wish to be missed. what're we going. I was Chuck Williams, Chuck Williams, whose a beast in the water for sure he's at t do it has to do with this guy, who told him everything it does, and then I would go and what next to chalk and we're right next to each other that we can kiss each other now give him we Party had three hundred hours together underwater so far now then Second, one pair complaint feed first and that the he puts his

Finch. On top of my thighs, and the last guy comes in and when she comes in once he's clear, the shutter doors he squeezes his body, whose taps me am my thighs. I've got the weight and that I chair, the submarine said they could close the shutters so right, wherein now torpedo tube, is designed to let absolutely no light escape so even if you had a flashlight, you can't see anything I dunno people much twenty one which, as we know, each other. You have to take your Draeger off to get in there. No workers albedo, so not because the figures are now it the life or death situation. So the reason why we Could we could do this is because an oxygen bubble is smaller than the nitrogen bubble because of what's gonna happen. Next, so We now we ve got a lock into the submarine and come into the torpedo room now the torpedo room and

british pressurize the sea level, but we're at forty metres. So it was you? U? Depressurize than you do water, so I got a topical rollin and unnecessary whenever it was get ready, oh, so get rigid go means we all had to breathe. Are our airbags or audio down to is thin, as of paper? Now are folks out there are or bags or about the sizeable football that dutch it. It had to be really sincerely paper. How to down. Then might my partner with sweet me the guy's, we kicked me I'd and then it was it and another. Squeeze out, you were to go and you were to go and then I will tell him we're ready to go right, because here we go and then they would pressurize the torpedo tube that we would take us from. What matters to the surface in one second so The gas expansion you're dead. So

equivalent I mean this is surely a kick a Jew fell, it was equivalent to in all having of a small quarter pound, have power block of t t go off in the UN in the top you to chew. It picked the former shop and just the pressure position. Ravisher to pop up up up up up up up decrease, the others. So but it was that UK ok, you're, ok, so then and they have to do water and you come out so shockwaves comes out and then I come out. The cannot be helpful could be help. Look at me like the Maguire you gotta do is low and that's just year. That's it we're just gonna getting into the boat. You have you have done anything. You know who this is showing up order. So now we got a now. We got a three day: transit too

target on board this German, you boat, which is, if you ve, seen dos boot, obeyed all about it. Every everybody on the subway at a central cast, a barbaric. The captain is thirty. Five years of age he's got the white turtleneck he's got the beards get. The haste got the jack boots and this sausages hanging back and forth. No it's a small crew is probably only about maybe thirty and round the clock. These guys working, but we were supposed to be trying to sleep now for it right by the tribunal, room, which is also the So we get about two hours, sleep, you wake us up you have to set up reveal and I'm gonna go back. That's all We didn't actually sleep it off. nowadays, but then, as we, you're getting into the target. They check mattresses and blankets and put them all on the deck now and when we have our what suits everything which was a mistake in the torpedo-

you're, putting on a wet what wetsuit that thirty degrees. But we can hear the Young s w craft, so, as a summary, is coming in through the ping ping ping and then something which is set at the bottom and in you, the propeller, by want to perpetuate by the submarine, would come up. take us it'll be further. Now the Germans are helping us get dressed, putting our stuff on an because The mattresses rural floor in the blanks run a floor, so the sooner for the surface ship. Did I pick up and then one by one. They pick us up slowly in a lotus in to sell Last guy to win of it is justice shores. I'm going to the captain comes the yoke

to wish me well and he could say a couple of things to your jaw. Your target bears one three zero. shut, the good luck and good hunting that exist A black stick at my watch, you so weak. So we go through the reverse and then well, you know woods forty metres and then we have to go get pressurize or network surface that we have to get pressure? I so that was not done. When is bad because you're getting pressurizer supposed to depressurize, you didn't have the gas convention on that, but you had to worry about squeezes and some of the other things, and then you come to the surface yeah we're probably about maybe five miles out and we worship to be five miles out, what happened is that gigantic. I could speak to me on that that out he viewed. Threat from the English W boats, the picket boats too great, to bring this

a breed in get get get without getting compromise and we're out there, and you know Now- your five miles off the coast in your in the water and you're looking and You ve got your little bends carpet. She tried to figure out, and where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Was the target and I said the truck I gotta be a body she that one area that totally black that's a giveaway- that's gotta, be the target oh, we started going towards that and sure enough. There were picket boats there. We had a plan dive that were supposed to start pretty much at the mouth of the harbour and we had to start way before that. So we We spent a little over three hours submerged in this harbouring operates and dumb as were coming out Chuck. No, we do need to talk.

the more I mean it. We could squeeze in anything and down you're wheat, which we did what we needed to do. We put there that the package is on the ships and he signals to me on Fried, which was general, doesn't Libya and to settle, gave us go over to the side. So now we go to the site is the harbour and he takes his mask off because I'm screwed he said. I ve got this pounding headache. I've got narrow vision. I kiss let's see much of anything. What we did we screwed up. We want additional oxygen bottles on what the submarine, but we didn't bring and additional sodas Orban scrubber. So what shock at dawn working so hard for that much time in the water is that he over breathed his rig, but we were working hard, ah and then the arctic scrubber that takes the

hydrogen out of here, you re breathing, although he had more oxygen, LE bottle with no longer working. So he having a tremendous nitrogen build up, and he said I just can't one of the further now we, we got about maybe a little quarter mile more to get out of the harbor, but when we are not going to send out this their tickets on the sea walls, which for us, so we just gonna sit there and you figure So this is a northern Europe harbour The sea wall is probably twelve feet maybe six to seven feet wide and dumb figure. Only what we're gonna do this is we gotta get over the sea wall, get to the ocean side and see what we take it from there? So

chocolate or guy, and I was able to get on chalk shoulders and jump up to the top. And then he handed me my Draeger his Draeger, and then I was able to pull him up and that the two of us just lie there that Moldova, to the other side, and it just gonna drop down with with all of our toys and just laid there, about two minutes to see, and you nobody they had flares going off and other things there now the rendezvous. We had A fishing boat that was for danish intelligence that was supposed at a certain place and dumb. How were you looking there and they're not at that certain place, but there is, one boat out there. That is another couple of miles away. I show I go now. If we didn't make the right,

evil. Then you had to go into the EU. Do that and if these folks they fought world WAR two, so this was you did that I don't want to go with the size of chalk, it's not words posts to be, but about right. I said what I said that gotta be yet so, let's go so we, take off shore for swimming, you not back and now he's took out of olympic quality, and I doubt my my hip from my broken pelvis is coloured unspent. Well, I'm trying to do because Muslim is getting to trim and not hold him up that much so we get to his boat and before we get to the boat, and we have to go back on back and we have to go underneath the this did that

fishing boat and underneath the fishing boat, the work of lights. That displayed that told us. This is the right boat. Now haircuts want to get right. So we go up to the fishing boat in this a ladder over the side and the guys on the fishing boat. With the Danish, we had to give them a certain boat, feeding you know now. I've got a gun a positive compromise right, a figure. These two things one: now covers the Russians are getting on that boat to if they won't. Let us out, I'm shoot myself so now here you you're, you're you're free your dehydrated better one of the thirteen hours they take it below deck, it's real fishing boat, so they added artificial side of the boat that They take off I'd, put against the skin of the ship and they the two of us, leaning against the skin of the ship and give us a couple of the beers in chocolate boys and then put the back. And they put fish.

No, I won't I guess you're from one gallon water said the Torvus just had to hug each other. He D done now. is one of those things that dump recruited. As I tell you, this sounds like a Navy achievement battle. At least me I didn't give out nettles back. I don't like the breast Bigley frogs locally flags, efficacy, less brutal without or by their. But you know, do you not discharge? I sincerely it was, but just to be able to come back in a just go mission We did it man we did at the hard way, but but we did it just the tremendous satisfaction you get from being a seal and beat it to do a really admission- and you don't even know my fitness report- go Did you read what I brought it? They're they're they're? Very people if any in the world that could do with these guys did. This exercise fell fast. Freakin rough one layer,

how I did I was on an platoon. I did up the week on drove into a harbor. We took pictures and the of whatever shape outta, my up your camp Hamilton and we drove in. We got all the water we took pictures and this was the old school. You know film and we come out- and I I've gotten I'd garden like perched in the perfect bonnet- was able to keep the shutter open for like minutes and just hold it perfectly. And so I took a bunch pictures. We came back and then and then the rope when I got back from from my platoon commander, was that you know that the the amphibious ready group commanders it. I thought these guys went in there during the night and of adopting community they did. This is good photography where the same kind of human Torres when you're doing a water up. It's a real world up but years, there's all kinds of things that kill you. Would you out there, especially in third degree, water at forty degree, water and aunt you do in the inner now the submarine no joke with good,

I had a good budget. We lost. Two young treaty do serve passage with dumb. those big heavy rains that we had through the plunging Coronado you hit his head on the back of his regulator and knocked him out, but never picked up this one pair and of the tour, the body line and they lost him and finally got him sometime later butter. I mean it's, it's it's for real and the ocean could kill you of the weather in August the patrol leaders card that we had years ago now. The first thing you not always listing enemy. They were listed was: whenever So what would you do after that deployment? Well, that's when I went to worm graduate school, why I went to want a devil, postgraduate school and studied scientific and technical intelligence, and I thought all right.

Got eighteen months surfing and screw it off, and so My brother went to the University of Michigan got his MBA for twenty four months. He took forty credits. I went to the naval postgraduate School and in eighteen, once took ninety six credit of which I had three elective three at three credit electors. That's it. And on a good portion of it was in the physical lab. you know we designing the shape of scientific intelligence miss that so by die. It was a great education and dad I D, really one I enjoyed living in Central California do them. He would want to triumph lawns and some other good stuff, but aunt being able to complete that curriculum then and then leaving getting all the intelligence accesses you don't realize that those things existence we get into the secret clubhouse I was in the secret clubhouse and I left

and went to Naples, push warfare group too and Virginia Beach. Ah, she's, the oversight Dub group command for the scheele teams on the east coast. As yet budgets officer there so it was a very, very good time to be the essential officer, because we're involved in dumb nineteen sex elder one will canyon d of lobbying campaign we had the central american wars and also we did a significant amount of work in there is there but dumb That really is when I first got involved in in deeply involved in intelligence. But to me it just went hand in glove with being a seal that you know what ask war that we didn't. We didn't really know what the menu was, because you didn't know what we just kept ordering earners and prize ethical. What's once once, you realize exactly what the intelligence community has got this capability can really refined The thing is well more portly, as you know this Jacko it doesn't matter.

You got into collar who you know in relationships, it's all about relationships and when you had folks who, with it and to have second fleetness at and I went to graduate school with this individual. You know that that really paid off great dividends. Ah you know for the community, but when came to what we were doing in Euro, know that Benghazi and all these other places, but we don't target, it- is for a full untouched. Often when it two final jeopardy. If it's a geographic question, I probably had a target folder on it and then didn't you end up going to now back to S DV winded S, DV wondered ass tv form up as tv team to tv two formed up about, nineteen seventy nine seventy nine eighty because we had a you don t. Do tat we had it s, tv detachment and now you to twenty one, and that was siphoning off

so much of our money and so much of our time, because a great idea, but do we. not have the technology and the guy spent degree with their time. Switching out the bow holes, because two of crushing it appears, rocks and some other things called a miserable, but did the other thing is well. It was really good time for me to go to sea, be because said first started to modify the nuclear powered submarine to carry us. A supposed to just haven't is go on there and putting towels on the deck and tell them not to make a mess and dumb we just. We just had the dry dock shelter we, The mobility improvement project it was a national mission to put the first try to shelter which is This is a garage folks that we put into nuclear submarine. I end put art but submersible boats in there, and we we come out of this marine and into that is like a garage and the go off on a mission, probably about

and twelve hours scan dumb in a cold, wet submarine and dumb it really. I am glad that I had that other background in that that I was able to bring an awful lot to come the commanding officers of the shop read that you know what you guys are going to ruin my career. It's going to be we probably well, but it's gotta be but yeah that'll Gama Graver was they are just before me as those platoon command. eleven Thompson but dumb. You know Also at that point I didn't wanna be that ambitious Jackal, Emmy necessarily, but I just figured you know- If I ever do wine to be in charge of the community, I like to know something about everything in the community, and I and I relish I've to at least have one tour and have a good sense of what it's all about. at what point? Did you realize you? It's gonna do as long as you could do. Oh

when my wife told me that I've been. This is essentially show signs that the ten year point we just we wee. We wee. We did Grenada mom is over and we gonna do anything ever again and it was unlikely and we do it exercises and everybody was bored and I was not of well. I don't know by all. before we see you guys. Listen, we're not a whole lot of folks were inspirational leaders. Adamant. Let me put it to you that way and I just think: ok, I'm gonna go law school shows applying to law school, and dumb up did cherish gotta, go behaviour finally, get this council session from Cathy. She goes you're not going to be a lawyer. She said your seal.

You're, a good she'll every friend we have or seals, I'm not gonna give that up for you just become another crummy lawyer, sorry councillors, but so so I just get off this. Look like any good husband, ok, so just decided to jump fucking with both feet and then You take it as a comes at the twenty. Your point. We ve all got to decide whether or not will Gunnar retire might die you know the services like they put that carried up funny. You know, ok, I'll, take that promotion, and then I'll get out. Then they put it the next thing you know you're old, inaugurating a thirty six years of age, So that was that your Exo tour as dvd it was. It was a lot of time at sea and on board the submarines and doing operations, sure yeah. That was good- that really really really good tour really become

where's, the first employment that we have made with the dried shelter and in that way Would you do the first? nothing. You mean you had to write everything. You had to write a tactic, tech, these procedures and procedures, working from the shrubbery inner life and death procedures and yet had to know and be extremely cautious, and there really was the unknowns and you just like he drew back and forth in yeah it in the community and we are a risk taking community, but you never take a risk you don't have to so we really had to put in a frozen car. most period folks and sometimes honestly, pretty much. We knew it I was gonna, be ok, but you still Roland die, sometimes but what it really belongs to those guys, you're the pile navigator in in the suvs to be able to go from a nuclear submarine submerged in middle of the ocean and goes into do a target and come back.

an hour's plus later and find that shrubbery is a remarkable feat. It really show the credit, goes to turn to those young operators Hod men. I still think that that is probably among the hardest missions that we ve got and, as you know, there is not a wet shoe thick enough to keep you off and so then what did you haven't you into detail or after got done without or you believe, and I don't know, I became the maritime special Purpose Force commander short ourselves. Why deployed for year, with with yeah, the marine detachment and with our detachment- and over to the Mediterranean got involved in other submarine operation there for the evacuation. Of the other. She had no ever Beirut downcast. This was the second time that I was in Beirut. Ivan when I was intentional board the ship in writing seventy six Garcia, that there were at war and the shipping the middle of the night and all appear. It was on fire and dogs. They,

palestinian liberation. What authority gave us permission, it'll be able to have one boat, come in and a junior officer to take the Americans out to conclude the United States, sugar and made my my whites with my little shoulda boards and the pillow. Were pollen these guys out from mine, not let them get on board our boat and I'm on the walkie talkie call about to the ship and talking to be accepted as a shirt in other the polish people out. Just don't think we could do don't do a thing show. Just just don't don't leave that boat annual Don't do anything till remarked, Rob Board the ambassadors on board, but really to me

this was in July of nineteen, seventy six with the two hundredth anniversary of our nation. I think- and here we are the United States of america- and we get these folks dictating to the american ambassador, who represent the prejudice United States in us whether or not he can get on board alive and Elsie you, and that was a pretty defining moment for me. But so then, what did it again at that time frame? And I had the opportunity to go back to Beirut when I was there shall come commander with adjacent commander and had lunch with the d, a lebanese commandos, and it was a great lunch- was sitting there and into the lebanese commander, who's, your hosting the dead, the lunch so, while attorney general? This my fourth trip to Beirut and The other three times have been here. I know

spent more than an hour after the three trips of we're in and out at night choice we spent probably but a part of a day there in Beirut, but we just interesting when I went in a nineteen, seventy six to see it as a collapsed. on fire and go back a name and not twenty nineteen. I guess I just see edge, it looks like Hong Kong, except at the them go bankrupt, but now it's funny how for mentioned to political appointee, but it's always been a trouble spot. What was the this when you, when you went there and pulled guys out or did the embassy evacuation with from a submarine, goes out operation like we can't but the biggest issue, Furthermore, after that, so you do you did that doesn't want me with the right there with as the special forces commander and then from their up to us to do she so well. With my first Washington tour

and as the assignment placement officer for the community, and it was an awful lot of thought that you know you one person in all community making all assignments from Ensign to captives. And everybody hates hard to believe is needed, but that was that was a really good one. I did the best I could even the playing field in and distribute the other thing is. I had an opportunity to work in revenge selection board, show you a junior officer and your support in this nor the captains, and the animals as they make their selections and the selection board process, and then you see who gets selected and who does- get selected, and you could just thereafter while ago does what the load man just do your job, it's as simple, as that and you know, because every these record. You know interrupt for flag just about every

Lowe's captain's. Their records are like manicured lawns, but not everybody's going to get it and it's just because it doesn't matter. If you going to get it you going to get it, but if not just relax and just do your job and really took it off pressure off their but yeah. That was a time that then we went up with thumb, First Gulf WAR, so wonderful, even they're, going down to give the deputy commander and then how many many years spend down there. I spent two years down there and had done all love to take over Ghak commanding officer a team to now during this time. Would you say that this is a time when you know you had First Gulf WAR happen our seal start Mckenna Kind of become popular, yet I mean I came in and ninety ninety one as we much as I mentioned earlier, I mean was

the Navy Seals movie or juncture ECHO Charles Likes, the Navy Seals movie. I think, came out in nineteen ninety one they make such a forest movie here yeah, but there was still not a lot of not a lot of popularity. Wasn't beyond you yet! No, so you know. you don't want to have a history lesson for everybody out thereabout dumb because of the failure of the arabian hostage Rescue mission in full of nineteen eighty and compounded by why happened in gray data that dared to civilian side of the house. it made the decision that, especially because of the failure of the radiant hostage. Rescue mission we as a nation, want to have organization that be able to conduct no fail missions that we need to be serious about this, and it has to be one command, thus organised, trained and equipped to be able to do that. That started, shaping

the community, but we are still in the Navy. The army was stolen, the army and true the department appropriation act of nineteen eighty seven shouldn't None and Cohen tacked. On the end of that appropriations bill the establishment of unit They special operations command and bring again the Navy seals army special Forces Rangers and then as one sixtieth an was commandos under you stay special operations command. So we had our own line of of money for free for unique but be honest with you at that time my French on culture, who mentioned that once when the Shields committee a nice day, special operations command tat because congratulations were now at the bottom of two food chain. Pretty much we worry you know, but we still. In spite of that, The resources didn't flow

and down the active duty. Military did not necessarily want to have this, and if they did, they wanted to have it should I command you know it's close to Washington. That was our civilians that shit We know the military, it's gotta be four star and dumb well, actually probably had an awful lot to do with powerful fly. The delegation with the goals that we want of a big deal but dump it it took quite while and we would just becoming- and but The leaders of the community made very very good decisions on with the limited resources we had and that we had other opportunities. to do away with certain types of things that we use. Did he did and one of them was YO unconventional warfare that dead the green raise, what we're going to do away with that, and luckily they decided not to so? One nine eleven happen were able to set. The fifth special forces in you know

John Mulholland. Does the group commander in the other young folks a wonder being the horse soldiers, but that war was defining thing for the community? Unfortunately, we paid a heavy toll to be where we are today, but when the opportunity presented itself for both Afghanistan and Iraq special operations, mentality and capability was at a premium and we were ready at that time to do that, and luckily the active duty military had come around and as well as the senior civilians and completely change the resources nicely: special operations command and I have to say, gave us all was necessary and bent over backwards to make us a successful as we possibly could be and we were carrying all the water and dumb. So

she said back, then nobody knew who we were now. Everybody knows who we are, but that also has got to do with the tax that we paid and the brave people that you mentioned the little bit earlier you know- and I want to talk about that- just a little bit with markedly and and and Ryan. So now you know juggle mentioned about me. Well on the other, the men home from combat, but I also Jocker, was already deployed. We lack and I would also see all of the guys off before they got to the plain and left so Jocose got a bunch guys from his chair. I didn't want to bother them they're talking to their wives, and it is time to come to go out to the plain and She was standing around when on the plainest look eyes. One last thing. I said the genius here rob the lamp make your wish it well. Some folks reluctant to talk to a guy with two stars in his collar and now

weekly was a new guy. This was his first deployment and market was obesity. What is their buddy oppositely regional robber there fight the war and what these home views and these hum visa, not air, conditioned. We need air conditioned Humphries. Well, mark. I tell you what you know: you're in a war, You just can't stick and air conditioner in air because a bomb goes well. You might wind up eating. It showed happy. Do this. Let me United States, special operations, command, I'll talk to General Brown and see what we can do, and I went back to my office, I call general Doug Brown, who is also come commander. You should look got it, I got it, those who speak, I got it but we have to do this smart and we wonder with air conditioning views in Iraq, because smartly ask for that now to me, you know, as the admiral you work for the men and if that's what they needed, that's what they got

but one of the most moving things in my life was when Mark came home I too share Diego. So when you come home you get floated Dover, and then from Dover to shed Diego, so there were A bunch of isnt went down there to meet his body. Is a came off this commercial plain and dumb? There were Santiago Airport were very kind to us and let us it'll come down she. Now everybody had to remain on board the plane, with the exception of the hour escort officers that escort March body back and I'm down there with the master chief and end of the body comes off, and In all the sudden, I realize it's dead, silent and the airport there's no planes moving. There's no car is moving

I mean I just so focused on the coffin coming off and I look up in the terminal in everybody's pressed against the glass I mean everywhere, and I were the earth point for us. It was gone. I said we stop there we stopped everything and they made an announcement, the airport at the first year was killed in Iraq is coming home, wanna we'll go out there and welcome a bone and are not really not wish railways. Workable and as far as her Heno Riah job, What made you had to function in dry? It was just indomitable, absolutely nominal, so now here he lost his vision and he and a Bethesda Naval Hospital. So I was just when she gently I do it's gonna, be there anyhow, because we had a navy crush ceremony for a two of our cars.

feels that without Michael Murphy in operation redwings, who were kill them until they were posthumously receiving the Navy cross. We had a big ceremony plan D. at the Navy memorial. So few should town we go to visit the Ryan. It is odd that Bethesda Naval Hospital, now we go there and Cathy's with me and he's asleep, and this woman their turns out to be Ryan's mother I so go up and he wakes up because hey hey, hey guys. So, of course, all the knuckle heads go in and we start talk now you blind add, but he's peace himself up and maybe a little more help young I dont know I don't know who did it that will help don't talk about. You know, MRS Job, and you know we ticket carry aside and we still do not know what is disposition was gonna, be omitted, just came combat only little hospital

holidays and dumb so somebody says to whom he Ryan we're going to have a major ceremony at the Navy Memorial for a couple of guys they receive in the Navy cross. You want to come in now he's blind who he can see this. His mother just which to me with the old you outside she dragged me a little lobby, She has got her fingers in my chest. Ride my son just lost his vision, hit it. Yes, Mr Joan, I got your message. We got a message we gotta, so I sent messages, look back at him, but if, if our team it wants to I mean it's up to you, I'm not gonna get involved, but I guarantee you. We will have a car for him. We will have a place for him and we will. a big bad scheele who will escort him, you remember you sent home to be assessed, got eyes

three guys home, I'm I'm not sure which one one was the american sniper. So so so I don't know what's gonna happen, but me this is a very good thing, because we got the gold star families they are and everybody was there. It was a sunset ceremony in Washington, DC and dumb eight, the second The Navy, the sucker there, the chief, enable operations all of wash did shudders awe and I come out and the lighter me. It's a semicircle, Abbe, theater and sub talking walk. Everybody I start over the right, whereas you Reggie, whereas you where is he? Where is he and I am talking of skin the crowd and all we over the left at an end sheet. One individual who has his head turned to decide? I realise its rise, we he hear me and I'll come looking. I think it right and then who stands up here,

I gotta Chris, I got a crystal gaga is you're going so we went, we went through them. I gotta tell you The ceremony was moving, but we had a reception after that went down to the native memorial for reception and dump given that we are in it. We got he's blind put em on a chair so it was almost like animal house when they commit the delta, how she got the nerves that they just gotta sticking to suggest sit. So we keep trying to get It would be well to keep in mind you two weeks since he's lost his vision and there are hundreds of people, air and just walking around the crowd and, of course, I'm on your arm on end and he bought into this woman and it took us. Oh excuse me, I am Ryan who you hi, Ryan,

I'm Barbara boxer gave a clear that it was a senator and he just start Shatner up my god. You know so God it was a want of Russia in the end. I stay till the last gold star parent loved and I'm fried be honest with you. Do Navy business there today and in your on it and it was emotional, is kobay as you can imagine, that motions is just raining, so I forget it. Danny, teaches family or actual. family that look got left the last and I just figured ok. I turned Cathy, I said I'd fabulous. This does get back to the hotel. She was oh, no. She said. All your a man from the Irish Box. You gotta go have at least been boys. You know my name but why so? I dont want to this bar and it is packed her heart

so of course the guys would be a nice to kind of make away for being Cathy and up against the bar. with a beard his hand at his elbow the bar, Rigel triggered a beer while the boys, but one of my favorite stories about Ryan after Hee hee, basically retired, he be very good friends with our flushed or commander jumbled aground and dumb showing calls up general Brown, and he says he sure I'm gonna Mt Mckinley, I'd like you to come with me. Will you know Riah Norma, my sixties, right now, a lot of homework to do that. General brought me. The figures show Why you got no excuse just w, because it inevitable just wonderful, just an inspiration one. Inspiration, both Christian Cresswell, an inspirational person,

I remember you settings medically retired, but there was a time where he was not sure if he's gonna medically retire and yet you know he said to me. Nor can I stay in and I said well, I do No, but I know someone that does now I came by to see you to I said, hey, there's chance. Iran wants to stay in and you look at me and said, then he stays in Europe. And I thought was you look in the mirror and you see yourself, you see a seal and my thought was I dont in any one of us telling our teammate. He no longer can do or T made has to come to that realisation on his own? And I start sooner or later you made it just. hard to make that break. Especially here you come from combat Goethe, willows Duff. Sooner or later you realise at all costs. From Tommy nurse

Tommy was shall one of our medal of honor recipients from Vietnam and We want some severely wounded above She was about Nevada recipient that Tommy could stay and Tom. the decision I could stay, but I dont think I'm a full up around anymore. I just so he made that decision as well. So I learn that to go, and I just like let my tea may decide when it's time for them to go. No- that was now- is awesome for him to have that option and friend know that way as long as you want to be in the teams tat, he would be in the teams that was freaking awesome. We worry, we were at what you are you're about to take over seal team to. Why took up. Guilty to endow left there and die had the misfortune of getting deep sleep did forget but you're. So I'm a mug deployed on another shrubbery

though, with the shutting down the Caribbean. So we ve been. We been at sea now polish emerge for a week You know what you know: jogger wait when you finally finish it come to the surface. They put the antenna up and you download to that that to traffic so now, you're we're just gonna admin. Now, well we're up and shale. That said, the submarine is running on the surface and near you folks issue pictures like that in recruiting things very looks there so up in the sale with the commanding officer, the submarine and the guys? in the just after the sale What are you gonna boats together in some other stuff and dumb the sound powered phone rings which, on the subway due to the captain, picks up the phone. You ve gotten dumb listening and he starts looking at me and I figured God did my guys, you know and dumb

he hags up the phone and he looks at me goes. We just got a message from you. You just got selected for captain. I said that can't be not eligible for another two years what what are you group? I told me this. Damn shows signs boy itself so with that I wound up not stay as long as I would have liked to. But I live. AIR and then went to get selected for Harvard as National Security follow up there, and that was Another remedial education, for example, that the public must be about an armored, really he's got a good reputation, but who spelling couch. So What are you? How are you are therefore, a giant thirteen months show it was a one year fellowship tat, it was remarkable. So I had I had officer

I can remember the faculty club and it would just great two people have my mother took my mother to the facts. club, I just tell you, know even students can make in the final declaration tell but dumb, it was really great because it small seminars are focused on what I was up. There really do is advanced research, a national security. folks that I had up there at the Kennedy. School is really the holding tank for government. The former secretaries former ambassadors and I became because one euro she'll dish just and had a reg. Then I was a kid In everything, there did just really remarkable that Some of the seminar version I had to put a young, maybe once a week because we had to take turns submitting a memorandum and dug it. If you would do that, through the two professors who one would be the former.

the Secretary of State, Israel and undersecretary of defence. go through this Don T, gonna go Joe, you dope You can't say that they're going to leave that to the Washington Post and an honest to goodness, like here's, how you say it without you know and dining avenue. It's really good practical stock, but because I got included in This is at a time when done tat Kennedy. We still alive and the senator from my Massachusetts Zenda John John, was around in their company. how did he school all the time? But a sudden? Kennedys sister was the ambassador to Ireland and dumb the cannon fairly invited Gerry Adams to come to Boston and he gave a lecture and the evening at the Kennedy School and then a small dinner so that these wall, a metaphor, marriages professors which, like the Congo boy, would I, and we had dinner the early but eight of its at dinner and

he's holding Court got to tell you- I was just sitting there watching the diggin. No wonder I mean this guy. These are all seen. Methodist, Harvard professors and they were eating out of his hand. Ah, ethics discuss good, discuss, real good set in on four store at that point. In time general downing came up to visit. He came up on a regular basis to her and so what you been up to now. I had dinner with Gerry Adams, What I didn't go good. I suggest you Joe he's one of the biggest terrorists and in the world I say well, the thing about it is boss, what an opportunity to learn about it. You know I mean you just can't appear learn and even if it's an unpleasant or you're here to learn- and I learned awful lot just about. Maybe the couple of hours I spent there listen to that guy, just how good these folks are but tremendous education and then from there

went to become the deputies sought pack, so I had all these beautiful suits and overcoats and things that I warrant that and Harvard, and then your momentum, and now you know on Doha, attire. Don't throw it away. You never know, then what are you doing? The deputy with the deputy position like out there and socks actually doing it, was wonderful, show what it in Indonesia FUCK shot pack call located in the same building as the Pacific commander show we actually work. although a shepherd shoved unify command. Ah, premier, who was the pacific commander? Actually aid or support of his staff. So we we the best of both worlds that in the morning you know I'd, be up there, because the generals travelled a great deal and I would be the one that represent to sit there and with the four star and his his staff getting the all of the classified briefings up in the skiff and then down to,

another conference room were broader audience with the less classified things were discussed, but going through some interesting things, with sending to carry about groups into the Taiwan Strait. Had used to seeing that unfold boy, So how did a situation where this was First hum I read, became aware of beheadings. Ah, we had a good westerners. This is in August of ninety five, vacation through the Hindu Kush This was up in dumb the line of control in Srinagar and they were captured, and held ransom by Muslims up there and one of the chapters Norwegian ran away

they caught him and they cut his head off. They put one whose body on one part of the town and the head on the other part of the town with a ransom note on either in the indian military then came to Ambassador who wish the sheen erecting a bachelor, United States State Department, then who went to the secretary and we had to deploy. Delta force assaulting there with the general Beach shoemaker. Who was now that the judge our commander, so we were doing not command and control for them cause. The specific command was doing that, but there was nobody in the Pacific command that understood that so I was standing next to the fore. Stars does before and will showed up. This was Admiral Mackey and he had to draft a present Our message to the Secretary offensive to determine every day- and I drafted

messages for him and he changed a little bit, but it was that time I had at Harvard made this is surly him. I never would been able to do that before Bessy said I counted, but we're here age a couple of things and they were deployed. Therefore, of forty shall my days and dumb worm, we I'd. We never got the hostages back so when they work there at this. Now it is September. So it is the anniversary of the end of world war two and that the president is there at the Secretary Defence everybody's there to just Isabel Clinton, and this is so. This is ninety five. So and now I've been locked up for thirty forty is on his white ass, a sheet, but because, Goin anywhere you I got,

four hours sleep but showered come back, I'm in Michael alarming number. My flip flops I might boy shorts, and I made my two short now- that the Pacific, manner is down there with the president. Nobody have breakfast, but his aid. It is up there I've gotta run all these things, biomass and I'm explicit, ok part of you know what they're asking for is. They want to go forward and be with tv, the Indians who got it. Take down and they want to have our guys to be with them door the take out and try to explain it all on, and it is an EU and attack pilot and funded I'll. Keep a mine he's jokers with Olaf metals and the big gold acknowledge that the eight where any finally this to me. I can't get

you gotta come with me right short on following him again flip up. I got this bag handcuffed to my hand and we jump in the car and as it were, the controlling. I can't get it you just going to explain yourself now. I completely forgot what was going on, but get down there. You got all the secret service agents, you got betel detectors right and you got to where we got an aircraft carrier which appear to cruises on the other night and they're all trade, ship everybody standing alone manner, the rail soap, what jumps out of the car- and he just wants to the metal detector and I've seen him for several days. I know he's good and I may have to the secret service, because I was with me some walk down the pier and on which we stay there and get everybody's addressed here.

folks, you gotta instead just how oppressive this. As you know, you got several hundred guys on an aircraft carrier, the cruiser they got the flags up and then armoured vehicle comes down initially, and these guys do about it the secret service guys and then down comes the beast the president in the first lady in that, and then you hear from the aircraft carrier a bugle everybody for attention. So everybody's detention and thanks to his saluting humbled by half of the present the color, and I figured beautiful, it's a salute shop just wavered. President groups already Shakespeare don't be so so, they go. He goes on board the ship, the meanwhile the he went on

and in the rest of them, had to walk down so hot dogs, the secretary of the Navy, the secretary defends, the forced our commander, show but goes on. You got a brief, the animal, so we I'm off to decide and I try to give him the disposition what they are asking for and what is your recommendation captain sure? I think you need to support the guys and approve the disease Well, that's about the stupidest thing. I've ever heard about Dwayne Second guess, since no you said that things will go south. gonna blame you, don't know Joe. You go until the general permission denied on and a good in retrospect, his body weight, but in a way just wrong But I was. It was an interesting job in the last thing that we did before I left it. had to evacuate? Dora got Cambodia, so there was a coup. Cambodia and other the embassy needed to be evacuated, so

we deployed to Cambodia and dumb that with the lasting I did then. I finally left in and then took over the centre. And so I was sleeping in my office working around a clock to some operational command, and now I take over the training, command and dumb product in there for a month and a half and one of your previous gas tribal belma. Craven is drive and longest ran dispatch, seven thirty at night he's going one way in. On the other side he takes his cheapening makes a? U turn. He says, John, when you done coming home from work, get the car so get the car Joe seven. Thirty. You're would show duty, you drive and everybody crazy. You gotta take a deep breath and maybe just gonna patients opulent, but more but Joe regulated either that it cannot keep up this place here, but it actually, Bengali version, you come from an operational command. Would you do something like that and it takes you wild decompress and become a human being

just and I was buds from from now. From the perspective of last year, there was a student yell, now you're back there is that, as the senior guy talk about the changes it boats and there's other people to go. Hey look good man, there's little changes here and there, but the outcome as the same would you say, I mean a change dramatically in it. I said nobody really about the numbers back then that if nobody graduated nobody graduated, but at that time we actually and appropriately No people look at for return on the investment. Dumb know, we were still had a really terms attrition rate, but we'll at some other things that we did that when I finished all week and I had to cut my boots up, so my feet could fit in the boot

a united, shall you lightish just ass. It had been job, and that was inappropriate that we had to do that, but diminutive God they, the young troops back then every day that did commanded. They choose their socks out for them and give them dry socks and to some other thing, but I mean the mission of the command is to qualified to read to graduate qualified individuals to go to seal team, not bring. Washed up so you, whenever you gonna, take take to get him their bottom. It was. It was released don't pretty much the shame but dumb it needed a little bit of tightening up just a little bit so we had some structure as they are and what I just thought we needed to do. you're. Not yet I'm not too into this. As you know, Jacko, but I take it, you know I can't I have to drive a little bit of fear into these just a little bit too relaxed show, with two of the guise of the developed group. I should- can you send me a couple of words shore,

me: some senior guys said it would like to come out here and help shape the community for the next couple years so had some of the Devereux. She knew little guys come out. And dumb. So one of the guys showed up. One officer was dead, dear friend of mine, and we were one of the final days of hell, weak and the kids are in the demo pit in the kitchen, a demo pet We set off explosives around them and these it's still singing now. This is pro Thursday or shall I gonna forget and looking for a lost about a hundred people in the class, so these kids aren't gonna quit. But they are, they are beat up, and the instructors are doing their thing, and I mean he just arrived at the command. I set a date. Without that, you want to come with me down to the demo pit watch the short like to come along show. You know I'm just there I got the master chief and I'm gonna money defer it I'm watching and

Look over at this guy. Who is a Devereux one officer, and you got tears in his eyes this anything we back. Ah, yes, it Danny Age how you feel about that? I forgot says forgot what it was like. I forgot should I for little while I was there and he said it so yeah, it's the same and dead master chief to fell, who was streets? Street wise of force must achieve he really but sucked or instructors. So now what was retraining and, as we look back, the rearview mirror. We were fast. smarter, stronger, better and so He said the master chief in charge of all of the instructors at at at bunch training at all costs

complaining to the mast achieve about the quality of the individuals did not make initiative. They don't do this. They should be able to contribute so too fell really a smart guy. On a Friday afternoon. We have one big classroom, probably speech about a hundred So he's got all the new structures in their made. Everybody come was mandatory and he's got that the chalkboard up their centre right first face What is the minimum standard? Did you need to have for the first time you for the formal run and went out for a swim, the course oersted and is could face to face, and everyone wants everything to be. You gotta do better gotta, be faster guy stronger show, so you really much shut them, so we should. Let me understand this now he said dusk, I'm gonna go talk to the captain and willing to change things here says but I want to show due to what he Greece, if you can't do this first phase, if you can't do that second face, if you can't do that, third phase, you should never be a seal. Is that correct

as cheaply right while gentlemen, you, just as I have every one of your training workers here and what I'm gonna do. Is I'm gonna give each and every one of you your training record? Thank God out of the room once you looking at it, and you see what you did just put it back in the and I ll see a Monday pursue through they'd its humbly to go back and look at your own record and see what these Doktor said about you. Ok this, although we still have the same we ve got to do. We ve got these with every single record from day one ah on toy manufacturers they write. I tried to burn down the of the room. when did you leave, but what when you? When will you done it? But, as the commissioner well, I was. I was one of the thirty nine months, which is a really good in it.

honestly, it was just a fantastic tour, not one that I wanted to do, because I was gonna go someplace else, Virginia Beach and dumb. We had trouble with our attrition raped and getting folks through. So I got dutch chain from going out to Virginia Beach to work too to the center, but it got to be either. Probably the most rewarding Tory ever had to have people like mawkish. The trail go through training, and I you know remembered Marcus, because not many students breakdown humor and training. And so you know it's not a good time. When the o d, the senior instructors The doktor, the with the master she's got to talk to you about aright. He broke his. What he broke his femur, ah, how stress rapture

well be ass. I shall be. We went through in cahoots with stuff, so what happened was omitted there were covered form and he did it femur, show Marcus of illicit it. The instructors and If you think that you could beat me, of course, this raises is this is the obstacle course show. We have is all tat, Nick and are you deal with the scheele but do this obstacle course for years and a note Marcus was good, but you the guy who give these guys like pixies, going over this Dante she climbed to the top of the cargo net without but thirty. Chuck of yet another night and you throw yourself over, but you do in a technique that then you you drop down a little bit and you can grab onto Robin and work we down. So I just got thirty. He knows this technique and he threw himself over the

the problem was He didn't grab it and he would the thirty feet and had a broker stream. So up to his credit, though, without got rollback and came back but a minute, That's good ol boy there, but they lie to be as any good teammate should do, because they know what the instructor Chauvelin and I bought likely that wasn't too late rather actually Mark has told me this morning that I brought by like job the kid he's the game played yet it must be like the the the gleam. But you get it human psychology when your ex I never worked, but you know I went through it, but I never saw from either side a glimpse of human psychology, of what people are capable of and what breaks him in That's gotta be a that's. Gonna leave a mark. Well it absolutely- and you know you learn, learn a lot been. No,

you and I go through it, but you go through a different your experiencing it when you have opportunity to watch class after class after class. You know I just remember the there. My first hell, we class and this is Monday night of Hell Week so start over Sunday they out of four about milk, twenty two and twenty three hours to having their evening meal and the class Europe outside and there's a couple of student stay behind in the town hall, putting the chair, back into the table. Now I thought the who somewhat odd. So there were the instructors have enough God dinner. I saw one of these guys up to they just wait for the rest of the class leaves adequate and when it was true, so you can just a bed when it was. Is nobody ever quit in the evolution everybody quit before the evolution and anti

of what was gonna happen and edges. You can argue whether or not it is the most demanding physical course in in military. If it's not It's close right. So how will they tell everybody but to do this. It is a far more psychological programme that it is a physical programme because it is designed to keep you off foot and that the standards are raised, enraged raised or the they D. You are told that this is gonna, be the evolution today and then change it. But specifically to that, can you again to that can do just that. show it really, it is most of the people who fit quit up. I had three and a half hour briefing today got down there with our teammates an update on what the committed job too and beef Drexler.

give me? The pitch and beef just took over the centre on down on Friday and dumb they bring in oh close to nine hundred stood year to get two hundred and eighty out hundred eighty seven issues, demand signal and nine hundred Oh it's still, in spite of everything that we ve done in preparation is used, Yet when you went through, nobody knew when I withdrew was a trivial pursued question, but nobody's these guys are prepared in order to it, and they all I said to them today. What is it? What is it they state they solve. Select there their hand and they re. We lose your cup from academics? Are we on football club, but the way majority of it. This is not for me, and when I used to get the young men in the audio now is not an instructor dumb and I would get them all after structures talked about how weak

go in there and I would just talk to these guys and mark a step. About that in his book and just look it's a simple. Is this guy's? You know everybody you guys can make it through. Otherwise, you would be here in your already been here now for several weeks. If you not going to make it, you are the one I decide you're not going to make it. If not going to be us at all, and you know- it's a simple. Is this guy's I mean this is surely the secret? The life is just don't quit, just don't quit. I said, don't doubt yourself, and you know these guys, they they doubt themselves, but it's. Why am I here and I should say that with the when it first came, we wheedle buds is not the same

Bud's is, but it is where. Why are you need to spend at twenty six weeks to get where you want to go, but don't even think for a second that this is Cecile team, but I will tell you this you put up with this for twenty six weeks and you get to the seal team. It will make everything that you did hear. Worthwhile trust me. I was down there a little while ago and now walk around and those with one of my friends that works there and there a hundred helmets by the Bell a hundred helmets by the Bell- and he says you know what I think of it: ass, a lotta quitters, this Nina. Whenever was two weeks in a lot of quarters, and he says you know what every one of those guys start us wit. You need he's basically referencing compared to us when we went through you know when I went through. I thought if you data up

work out where you did thirty or forty pull us, that that was a pretty good work out and you realize what you get, but you gotta do three hundred or four hundred to five years. Didn't we didn't know back, then but every one of these kids now there's stuff physical starts, but they still quit, but the disk differences. Physically, I would say, is when I went through Eric Ocean Gama Craven was two classes behind me. The way Eric put it. Nothing does right back then, it depends on your parents. Were if you're gonna make it too much because it was insurance, everybody had to run for ever and nobody had to swim forever back then, so is a different type of body type, now, not everybody looks like huge, but yet you know when you know when I took over the centre and these young men lined up next to the pool. Just there d swimsuits, it was a completely different physique on those young men, but we were preparing them for different things. You're supposed to

no longer patrols? Oh no! No! No, Twelve days in the field, no thirteen hours, swims you're gonna, go to the hindu kush. You gotta go to ballade and you're gonna, go to Roma You gonna go to pollution and you gotta go heavy equipment and you're gonna carry a lot of stuff, so it changed. and I don't know what's gonna happen now- that we were changing Howard rightfully show was back into the street competition great power competition and put the community back America focusing get. what's it ready boys absolutely did you You know it's interesting. You people always ask who's gonna, make it through whose and make it there, and I would never put a bet on anybody one way or the other of who's gonna make it through or not. I don't care where they came from what their background was. I remember one of what one of my commanding officers, CAP, n, O Connell he told the story. I mean I, I never forgot it. He had

He had there were some officer there was put in a package to go to buts and he's have never backed anyone before I've. Never I've never backed anyone. I've never said this guy's to making this guy had this pristine record. He was an athlete this. He was captain that he was all these things. He spoke to languages, maybe even three languages, just a complete and finally O Connell signs office packages as yet take this gotta buds and the guy QUIET corner and he said I will never ever back anybody again and to me that we know those a cap and that have been in the teams forever and denied all these packages, and even with that level of discretion, you can't tell who's gonna, make it and who is not economic, their jump jubilee. Ya know. No you're really get out at because You really don't know what's going on behind the eyes, so we ve got. Numbers rule on the eve of the national teams, whether national Swimming team that Yosemite showed very accomplished people division, one athletes,

but the other things. Well, you get some that comes out of high school goes to boot. Camp did to be all sports and who stand tall on graduation day there reside resided. I had I had imagined. I had an olympic alternate gymnast in my buds class quit I had the and see double way water polo team. Captain my class quit? and like like. I was that, guy that I our resident, average, if not slightly below average, athlete knows Goin stuff Now they want to make me quit that's the way it is. Where were you when I went to double eleventh happened? I was assigned United States special Operations command and excuse me I was assigned United States special Operations command and total, but earlier Jacko about dead, the community. And what-

the free commander, said what my father said: and here I am- I got promoted one star at the end of August of two thousand and one and dumb the more the three weeks later. I'm shit my office, the special operations command and dumb. You know one of death. The troops comes and he leaned against the door jam and does so what's up so too plainly, the twin tower shall helium in a new Yorker, they cannot cater to desist foggy day to get a small aircraft there and he's not leaving here and I'm just like it. Ok, I gotta tv. I simply wanted to tv on. Does what I like to

so I'll, be on the desk at the tv over there and I'll look up, I go. It is a perfectly beautiful day in New York, and I mean to shortly after that we would moments. I see the other plane flying south of the Hudson River. You don't fly south in the Hudson River by the planes going into Newark by north or you got to go around. I don't think I know what an idiot that guys wind up playing around just to get a better look at that house stupid and then he goes into the second hour, and I made it immediately and I get up and I ran into the so called Commanders Office, General HOLLAND and, I said general we're under attack were at war. So what are you talking about Joe said turn a tv on to where we were at war and dumb. So obviously that was

long date, kind of short everything out and dumb. I finally got home about. Maybe a clock in the morning two o clock in the morning of some of the twelfth and show just have a little bit of orange juice and maybe an english muffin assumption get a couple hours before I gotta go back into work and phone works and die, pick up the phone. I figure was the headquarters and is the shrill whilst on the other side it just kind of screaming. and also to realise its. My brother and my brother was at two twenty church Street, which is a block down from the twins hours and he was at a meeting and saw the first

bill. You didn't see the plane had, but he saw them though the building on fire will. Maybe we should adjourn FIFA, you mean nobody could believe that it was happening and he said so by the time the authority went out to the street. He actually viewed the people jumping for the lives of the twin towers, which is pretty to Atlantic, but then he had to walk home across the Brooklyn Bridge, all away to his home, which proudly wound up being item and may be about twelve to fifteen miles August was don't transportation everything shut down so by the time he got home. That's when he calls me and in a kind of broke down to Joseph get them. I know what you do. It's up to you guys get them. I think of just try to calm down costs gable do my best and on so one I never thought I'd be an apple, never and short,

never thought I'd be an apple when on issues of war and to have that opportunity to actually be a flag or general officer serving in the United States military when the nations engaged in a decisive combat operations, who was quite an honor, but also, as you know, jungle, quite a challenge and an inward took us while, but we finally, we finally did it and after it may second of two thousand Levin. Call me brother took while Bob, but we got em and I'll. Tell you what would that happen? I retired in July, two thousand and ten and I'm up early in the morning not as early as you, but not about five thirty and up on our part in the kitchen and deliberate, a cup of coffee, so putting my running shoes on, and I thought I heard something of the radio about the lot,

I mean I just was appear. The touch of that doesn't show. I just waited till six o clock to hear the news and Ill Fox who stayed up later the night before they knew. I still had no idea, and I heard what had happened and ah I'll just take I I just sat down there, I could go for run. I mean I just had to use my eyes in that I know full well that show you the heavy road, the tall that was paid to get too about about all of the blood and all the lives and all the brave men and women. You know who got there

and so it about Atomic got to work in everybody's jubilant and said: oh, I had quiet pride with pride because was or teammates and then one sixtieth and the CIA, but damn it was really emotional for me, just thinking about whether it be mad accents and daddy Dietz or all the other folks that duck and open to book which, while all it all of all amendments, we lost their in Afghanistan and dumb so yeah that was so people beginning my hair cut and how long you been the navy. Thirty six years this alone. Will you know we ve been at war for less ten years body and done it was on our shoulders but dumb and when you know full well this war, whose personal to you and me and too many of us, and they have things well, it's just hard to explore

the people, how you could become friends to death that you meet parents, beat family members it you never knew, but you knew their son And you buried their son and on your knees, giving a mother- that was on her sons coffin and you get to know these people and you stay close to them for for a long, long put it on so Can I want up? There is so calm and dumb an interesting time for me, I was a baby baby, one star and it was a small place we are only had five five flag, a general officers then forced or the three store to green break. Two stories, and may I was the baby, but are we was a great place to learn and one of the officers their Elden Barge was

special forces so digital officer and up to that point, Elden was the most highly decorated soldier in the United States Army and up your school was certainly in session. For me, you don't work at working with Eldon so that when I left there and then went to naval special warfare to take over the community, I left there is the deputy commander under Apple Eric Olson and came back and close to four years later, and I just remember we book a captain, Barber Ford, just said after that she has. Oh, my god, you turned it. When admiral were at war, he had to do so. My off my commanding officer at seal team- seven, I was on the point as in Iraq, having just at the best deployment ever just having a great time doing a bunch operations in and he to me. The last thing I do as commanding officer of seal team seven is unwilling to make sure that you become the admiral's aid.

he pulled it off That's what I'd better you ended up with me like I want it was wonderful. You know you know between you and down below it? Behoved Ressler Kyoto, young folks out there, do you know you got a good idea which aka looks like I'm sure, but are being used to be the centre for Navy and he's. Also I a pretty pretty strong guy. Well, my name is Jacko Name has been kind of says it off. What when, when we went, Jacko were aware beef was replacing Jacko, we had the families over for dinner the word their dinner in my daughter, is sitting there and she's pretty about ten at that point in time, and she looked the two of these guys and she honesty s beef and Jacko. Are you guys, my daddy flag. Lieutenant sure you guys my daddy's body guys are the two ago. Yes, I said it, I screwed up.

you should have told me he by daughter your daddy does it need a body, but you shouldn't matter his I sure did not, and if I had one others do that you guys doing, but no You know what I want I want. I always I never interviewed anybody to be the day, the flag, lieutenant out their folks. What I would do to go to the senior officers. I guess be a champion show me somebody who's just come out of combat somebody. Somebody who's got a future ahead of them, somebody somebody who is willing to work really hard awe and because I don't you the flag, lieutenant in the aid to carry my back. I carried my own bag. What I needed was to bring a lieutenant into the meeting to hear what was being briefed. What we need to be resource and be the charge to that lieutenant shape to the med need. This this, what they want. What do they want that we haven't, and you know I rigged it cost. That individual, whether it was of no Jacko or beef, came right the battlefield. How that credibility

only a year there turned the barrel and is very demanding job. I had been a flag lieutenant myself. I understand that but dumb it was just go was a tremendous resource for not only me but the community and then as well with Jack Odin went back into his seal team had become a test unit. Commander here was becomes can a partial to the rest of the community to explain why we do what we do, because now he knew he bent to the inner cycle, but does it an absolute honour and yellow I consider that to be you know you and me. Our relationship is just like any relationship of the teams were sworn bodies. We necessarily we each other sex. We had each other's back, but very, very heavily on you and you never, never. Never let me down, you always came through Jacko

yeah the numb, but obviously we are going through at appointment and remedy, which is awesome like us like a started off. You know this. The support that you gave me and therefore thereby the rest of my task, which is it was awesome well it'll, with A community at work was on our shoulders, and I know that you would, he's very hard because you know we were taken from heavies, but when you are war. You have to realize your war and dumb there's going to be casualties and but yielded at the end of the day. you were highly successful in your mission and you matter that, with the extreme high regard but dumb it to me several years later, as you know, were christening a we learned TAT cruiser up in bath main and dumb to one. great honest that I've ever had is normally new, Christina ship made every

They are senators congressmen, and so the Navy. Is there a speaker at the main speaker, because of my relationship with with with making on shore and with you and test test, your browser. That the Secretary of the Navy asked me to be the gas speaker, their fight, the girls are measured the speaker who it was test Bruce it if you got any questions or why we call it that look at lieutenant well Well, also Mamma. I know we probably could talk for another few hours and I know that you gotta go which pretty much demean means at some point. You gonna come back and we can tell the rest your story, a clause that this was the end of your career of service and you ended up doing much more and um yeah. we will have to come back and next time you in Coronado will come up and finish the rest of the story. Yeah. Well, I tried Jack Odin had unloved to come back and we ve got a great visit here and Coronado with the centre change a command visiting our teammates

Spending units three and a half for hours. Getting briefs from on the committed this morning. Assist inspirational. But you know, I believe, in a life of service and dumb and as far as a leader is concerned, you gotta, be a you know, a leader who sacrifices of you know do when I was asked to come back into government, it wasn't all my scope at all, but dumb I came back in under no wonder being the director of the National Council Tourism Centre, which I was comfortable and that it was my strike zone, but then, when the poor don't ask me to become the direct or national intelligence. Not necessarily my strikes it now, but I will die of God, the journey to start off you don't- have a rubber boat in your head. and then use later. You know you're sitting. There is the prejudice, intelligence officer The national security council- Andy, You know I had an interesting time there. I am sure you know that I I had it testimony there. Therefore,

and a half hours showed the house, some of Dutch Select Committee on intelligence shed had to do with the whistle blower complaint. By dragging over there, we hours you're on camera and you ve got some middle very, very bright and vitality. People asking you some demanding questions, but it was The very first time that I was really really happy that I to high risk sheer understood, interrogation techniques. I'll tell you what, even as that I knew that was happening. I sat down a watch it and you can only look like sharks, no water. You can see America, I think they're gonna, go you don't know who you got number one is from Brooklyn number one. Member of theories in the teams Harbour doll. Barnyard is that this is a really go as well as they think it's gotta go now Let's say why not may not it It was broken out. I will tell you this, though Jacko there, Not only was I represented the entire United States intelligence community, but having spent

the structures in our community. they feel like you're. Here I am, I know my national tv and it's gonna, be. I got a pretty important hearing which probably would lead to what it did and I'm still representing the United States, the and of our special operations community, so I just figured all I going to do is tell the truth played straight the trouble. Is that an dumb and- and I did and dumb I think out and at the end of it I felt like I did my job and I was able to leave with my head held high yeah. Well knows the other thing I knew I knew your from Brooklyn. I knew you from the teams. I knew that went to Harvard in the whole nine yards, but I also knew that if they were, Looking for something that you had done, that was a moral, illegal or an ethical. I knew that they could not find it. They would not find it because I know you and I know that you do the right thing:

So that's. Why watch that with the with great joy just well before I got the job at dead, the White House Chief of Staff, Mick Mulvaney, did the dividing. don't you know MIC told me said you know: I've talked to everybody, especially everybody. The special operations community and I couldn't find one person to say something negative about. You know he hadn't been offered the job. Yet I said Mc Gimme a day I'll give you listen, I don't necessarily want that. I got it and when I woke up, I was but a great honour. Its goal is something to be with you and it's always going to be with the two may, but I'm so proud of you for dollar. What you did when you in uniform but does what you have accomplished as far as just normally personally, but the way you ve been offered to give with your leadership Bunda what you're sharing with the world, whether your books, you podcast and the people that I know that. Listen to this podcast read your books and really learn a great deal about leadership and dump your folks attire,

when people ask me to wine all my do is you. The video is used We'll deal he's the real deal and dark I'm honored more than I could possibly tell you to be with you today and folks in I do planet take a job. go back up in the sovereign cutback visually with you sometime in the future. So, thank you, my friend the outstanding and the things I say today are the things I learned from people like you from our great community and thanks going to talk to us more important thanks for everything that you ve done for America, for the Navy, for the teams and, of course, for me, It was not serve with you and I Look for the talkin to you again like what I thank you and with that Admiral Joe Maguire has left the building and echo. You didn't even get a chance to sort of ask her a question. We were moving pretty quick and at another event to attend, so you have to save your whenever it did. You have any questions or not. more aid actually ass, the one. What's the the lock out

there's a lot of little stuff man. You know that I'm like hey, we. What is that not even necessarily because I don't know what it is and I need clarification allotted time? It's like I don't, that is, but it sounds kind of interesting, maybe Do you guys, gives us party or guys everyday thing at the time? But for me it's like men, even that lucky thing, Brown, that's interesting and I think it's one of those things where imagine. If you were hearing Jujitsu story about like you're caught and arm Aachen, you or did din, and they had a triangle to your and you all. I would need to tell you, since you know Jujitsu avows like a called the arm lock and the triangle both at the same time? started having the walls closing you would know what that means. someone that doesn't understand Jujitsu, who is this like, like kind of It doesnt really mean that much mushroom, in fact, almost means nothing to him. So well the animals talking about that whole walk out thing in the German you boat

it's crazy story? That is a crazy story, the cold that the the claustrophobia the changes in pressures, DEC across. Could you recognize how freaking crazy? That was? Yes, it it did come across, but you know what else was clear to me that that way, Salina right now. That was the case and- and I did not want to interrupt at all- I mean aside from ITALY, so I can grasp an understanding of what the lockout procedure is rhino, even more butt. The costs are for bathing anytime. You stop what submarines I do remember, sarcoma front journey. Germany would tell me about like these summary than theirs those little diver vehicle things so sealed to live. Vehicles. Yes, will you tell me about that? Is like brats, not like it cool like in the movies because agrees in an office wouldn't think rather thing is like Super Crampton super and bury linked at customs. stuck with it. This way, I'm attuned to certain cramped

twenty one, each tube by, I see twenty one inch tube. Yes, you there's dogma that in my poor and then yes, then you gotta talk my like these procedures, like kind of like all. We all know those procedures arm like wait. A second we have close phobia. You got freak in the summary. Your underwater do not step out a kind of your Morris kind of not what does that wasn't the point of view of making at the time. So I want to be real. The momentum for the conversation, at some point. Maybe we'll go into a little more detail about what those types of operations are like. I was lucky because when came in to the team we still did that in the normal teams and wants the work it off. We didn't really do a free markets and the normal teams very often, if at all, not to mention to just die like it was going to die like he was going out of style,

once again, once the war started, with fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, we're not doing a bunch of combat swimmer dives, to prepare training, guys to prepare to go to Iraq, lechner some rivers, but we're not doing harbour infiltration on draggers. That's But I was lucky enough to be able to do that. A bunch a bunch and just yet some of that, its summer that it is a region, hard job man, hard job you mentioned something. Can it can in passingly can a quick where. you, you have the operation, but all the steps to go through the operation are just complete, painful by a completely painful so lucky you told the temperature, the water, if you haven't swam or being in forty thirty. Something degree where I have iceberg scenario whenever, but nonetheless, What that feels like on that prow, what if that was just your world? You

when you were, as that was what was interesting. He was talking about getting into the submarine you have to jump out of an airplane and landed in the middle of the ocean. Then you lock into the submarine going. One person goes in fin. First, it's crazy, and by the way, then you just on the summer. You still haven't even on the mission, yet you're not even close you not even close. You haven't even started the mission yeah yeah yeah so? Yes, I, like that kind of stuff words like men. You could elaborate on the feeling of like a ten second period for a long time in really paint that picture. That would be interesting. If not we have to get through at some point nonetheless, as you like to say, we're we we might not be in those scenarios, but we want to be ready for various snares Our capabilities for diving swimming shooting living fighting, whatever we're doing.

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