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#1052 - Mick West

2017-12-12 | 🔗
Mick West is a game programmer, writer, and debunker. Currently runs a few websites including MetaBunk.org and ContrailScience.com.
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forward slash rogan for fifty percent off your first order naturebox dot com ford slash rogan alright my guest today is my friend mick west and i met mick many years ago when i was doing that show for sci fi called joe rogan questions everything met him when i was debunking chem trails and talking to all these lunatics that think that the government is spraying things in sky overhead every day and explained it scientifically all those chem trails are formed and we talked about that today and uh her mother conspiracies and why people gravitate towards kids season how some of them are real and the real problem with a lot of these wacky ones is they they kind of muddy the water and uh talked about all out of am a lot of different nutty ones and a lot of lost in a couple of things maybe that we even disagreed on but uh
i like him alot is very smart guy and please give it up for mick w rogan experience trying my day joe rogan podcast by night all day yes mick w we are live finally are you ready i am ready let's do it do you getting a lot of heat online from all these it's all the flat earth people and the chemtrail people those are the people that are mad at you the most that's my specialty chem trails and flat earth yeah well that's this is hilarious i ask people online i said mick w from metabunk is going to be here what would you like me to debunk and one of the first ones was chem trails because you cannot debunk it it's real don don don i would do i would say this to anybody who thinks that that has got to be the most ineffective government program of all time
like you ask people what they're doing by spraying things in the sky and the the number one thing they'll say is like weather control whether controls one well they don't have any fucking control weather 'cause if they did they make it rain all over santa barbara and stop these fires when there's hundreds of millions of dollars were the damage going on right now there's a fire that's bigger than the city of washington dc they think that making this bias they think that that's part of the conspiracy anything that happens is always part of the conspiracy what do you think it is what is what is it with conspiracies like why are they so attractive to be bold there's something going on with people right yeah i think have been looking into this a lot uh you have especially your government shell well i'm doing research for the book i'm writing
high school escape in the rabbit hole and it's about how people get into the rabbit hole and how people get out of the rabbit hole so the whole thing is about the rabbit hole which is something basically people get sucked into and i think people do a lot of research into the reasons behind people getting into conspiracy theories like the psychological reasons and the personality reasons and things like that but i think most conspiracy theories are just regular people that just ordinary people who gets sucked into something and why do you think that is just proud talking to them they tell me like their their origin stories is the origin story is essentially and they tell you i happen to them when they got into conspiracy theories and it nearly always starts with them looking at some video by now nowadays without looking at some video and then they just get sucked in yeah and then they start looking at another video in another video in another video on facebook and youtube is feeding them these videos
once you start going down that road you discounts econ to change your should directory rights it's it's hard to treat in you tube since they instigated this uh auto play thing or instituted this auto autoplay thing or the next go plays immediately and they're all related i think that's definitely been a thing with i also like the suggestions on the right hand side if you're watching one video exactly subject yeah i was in some experiments with that i set up like a completely blank you choose account and i would just go in there and typing one thing like contrails and of course we need to look at contrails on youtube like half the video she's going to get it going to be chemtrail videos right and so the first video you click on it is a chemtrail video then they just set you down that road well i remember this was in the days i think before youtube
this is in the days when maybe youtube was around but it just wasn't that popular i remember me and my friend eddie were high as fuck and we're talking to my neighbor and there was some plain who's flying over and we were wondering why the clouds coming from behind this plaines stood so long so i asked him i said this neighbor i school bling bling 'cause bling bling was incapable of talk about anything other than objects like all we talk about it nice cars that are new car would you get to watch like that was blank blank all bling bling wanted to talk about is like material possessions so he were parked in front of his i was saying hi to him and i said hey man do you remember clouds looks looking around in the sky that long and he's like oh no i don't know is that a new truck and like i just remember how i roll i think it was 'cause i had told eddie about bling bling but like this is all this guy cares about and want to talk about and then he did
that while we're out there but i remember thinking man how weird would it be if all the sudden clouds from engines started appearing and it just appeared right before our eyes and we had noticed it but i wasn't sold it didn't make any sense to me because my thought on it was the amount of people that had to be involved you're talking about all these different airplanes get all these people to keep their mouth shut these are their pie that's right so now they're not making shit tons of money and they live here too that's the other thing like there's he sprang something in the sky they live here too like what are they spraying themselves well the ferry now is the is basically the power elite in the country is doing these chem trails as it kind of latched last ditch attempt to maintain power before the entire world collapses into chaos so they think it's kind of like a desperate situation a power grab
you will not exactly is is that the hanging on to have that kind of last hurrah he really the they feel like the end of the world and i like you know this about to be this environmental disaster and they can try well so the only thing that is holding everything together that's the thing that you get if you go to like you know geoengineering watch that dane woodington guy he is basically an apocalyptic prophet now is basically preaching about how everything is going to end soon and the chem trails are the only thing that's stopping it they're also making it worse so he i'm saying like you know the chem trails are helping but we gotta stop them otherwise it'll make it even worse but we're pretty much going to die either way yeah there's a lot of money and we're going to die there's a lot of people that love that that trope is just like something that gets carted out can't throughout history because it's true you are going to die it's like when i
you going to you don't know so because you don't know you're freaking out like it's going to be a car accident is it going to be a fire is going to be an earthquake it's going to be a slow aging death or it's going to be the chem trails don't don't yeah i think that type of thing like theater dying is one of those fundamental things that every human is hardwired with certain things that there that happens in their brain that i'm thinking about beer of dying and fear of other things fear of lena fear of wolves or whatever something that's hard tired and that's the type of thing that leads to different types of thinking that you end up being a conspiracy theorists in part because your brain is wired that you had a great quote about chem trails when we did that television show together you said chem trails are like the training wheels for conspiracy theorists because there like there the right above your head and you just like you see them right there for people don't understand
why jets produce clouds please explain that because it's very simple it is very simple jet engines have water i watering their exil if you look at a car on a cold day and you see the exhaust coming out the tailpipe you'll see like a cloud of condensation sometimes season water coming out and when the the exact same thing happens with jet engines and when that exhaust hits the colder he condenses it freezes in makes a cloud account controls essentially clouds are exactly the same physically as a regular cirrus cloud and it's dependent upon the amount of moisture in the atmosphere and you can actually monitor it online nasa actually as a website that show you and i believe it's set up for pilots right is that what they owed air traffic people at nasa actually has a control focusing sight range isn't isn't really i was i think it's just part of their country research but
yeah they have a site where oil projects like where the controls are going to be but you can do it yourself you just gotta look at the relative humidity at a certain altitude there's lots of different sites you can go to i've got a whole bunch of them listed on metabunk like the clouds very in the sky all the of moisture variants as well which is one of the reasons why you will see the jet passed through one area and you'll see a contrail and then it almost looks like they shut the contrail jets off and then you see it pick up maybe a couple one hundred yards later yeah and that you say like a cloud is really exactly the same as the cloud if you look at any picture of a cloudy day and then just remove all the clouds but there still there as in visible clouds and when the plane comes along is almost like the plane is this magic pen revealing these invisible clouds 'cause all all the cloud is a is a region of the sky
where the humidity is above a certain level so you know that the humidity is pretty patch across the sky because life is a cloud here and right next to this no clouds that when the cloud is its high humidity with a cloud isn't as low humidity but if both of those which is low it like ten percent then you get no clouds until the plane comes along sure he rises the humidity in the cloud area under the non cloud area but this area because it was a bit higher you get a trial for living in this area get natural forming so it's exactly the same as in visible clouds yeah and for p pulled that are watching it and you're looking up you think their springs thing if your conspiracy minded and because of a lot of the videos that are out there in particular two recommended to me you are what in the hell are they sprang right so i got to with that guy that made those documentaries an right away i knew something was wrong like he's either on adderall or something he just like real
real edgy and speeded up and just just an odd guy which is like a lot of people that are conspiracy you're torrielli minded they seem to be like very nervous and agitated in when we went over like why he think one of the things that was talking about was the soil samples and water samples and that they've detected all aluminum and barium in water particularly aluminum and he's like showing me all these results that he had but even in the very results that he showed me it said sludge like had sent them for testing and ice but what did you send in his this is why i sent some water from these ponds and i said but it's uh sludge on your testing and he but nobody was water i go ok but the lab said it's sludge you know what is sludge she goes why don't know what sludge is exactly i go let's look which is a combination of water and dirt ok so you sent water and dirt so
do you know that aluminum is one of the most common metals on earth and you could basically scoop up patch of dirt pretty much anywhere find a bunch of aluminum in it it's really really common in trace amounts i go so what you what you did is you tested dirt and it tested positive for being dirt musically that's exactly what it is and the guy was kind of freaking out and like how did you how did you not put is together yourself like if here the guy is making this video and you're trying to find a reason why you you know some facts that you could throw at people we could say hey look the government is definitely spraying things in the sky there spraying aluminum look we found the aluminum and we found but in the water it's in your water supply it's kind of getting your body is going to poison you look we found in the water how how the fuck that do not look at it himself is what i was thinking and meet when me and him were having this conversation i realize like that go down there not open minded in regards to these subjects they go down
a very narrow rd in that road is the government is doing something to me i need to find out what it is yeah and the really motivated to actually find evidence yes so that they're trying to find something and you know actually trying to find an alternative explanation isn't really that attractive to them they find aluminum in the water or in the soil or whatever and then they glam on to that as being you know evidence of geo engineering and that's great for them because they could just find loads and loads of samples of soil and that's something that gets repeated online data very fact over and over again the aluminum that they found in the water is one of life's the court tenants is not one of the pillars of the control things of there's a there's like four or five different things like every because crazy theory there are these core beliefs that the ninety nine percent of the people who
even the very one core believes that you work for the government yeah down down down that is a cold believe make is a retired video game creator you could find that out made video games right tony hawk yeah maybe a ton of money and decided to to dorks start out and i wouldn't refer to them as dogs but i'm saying there dorks yes if they don't believe this is the problem that you're not a dork if you fall for something you're a dork if you fall something you don't believe the science that shows that it's impossible but it's not real but if you uh spraying aluminum in the sky folks it would look like aluminum you dummy it wouldn't look the cloud it wouldn't dissipate like a thin mist yeah and metals not it's heavier than fucking aaron vapor it's not it's not going to sit up there like that it would be a very different appearance would slowly settle to the ground and wouldn't look like a cloud
and there's no reason to do it there's no benef but there's no scientific evidence but ever uncovered ever that there's any benefit for anybody of spraying aluminum over people it's just it's just it's a waste of a moment thing even with the the whole geo engineering field yeah really no solid evidence that it will work we don't know what the side effects will be we don't know how much we can we would needs to spray and we don't know like you know if if you know when we stop doing it will the world bounce back in a terrible way and it be a big disaster well that's an interesting thing because one of the reasons why contrails very interesting study is b cuz they actually do have an effect on the temperature of the earth and this is something that we found out after nine slash eleven when 11th happened in two thousand and one it was the big disaster there there was shut down all flights in the night states and when they did that the temperature changed
because there's clouds literally do provide like a cover and is it does do they act as an insulator or an escalator they essentially act as an insulator they block radiation incoming radiation during the day and able outgoing radiation at night but the net effect is that they actually block more outgoing radiation than they do incoming radiation so if didn't fly at night then you would would cool the earth down you'd have to stop flying quite a bit before night time so if all the flights in the world were between like five hundred am and five hundred pm local time then you could actually little down by just not having any flights at night 'cause it's the night flights that have this really big kind of blanketing effect that stop be outgoing radiation so the night of fly actually actually the world up yes they do do like a like a blanket you know how it's it's warmer on
in a cloudy day like he doesn't get as cold at night he doesn't get really cold at night because there's nothing i within this detective any any comma once one of the reasons but yeah the the contrails will actually warm the planet because the the amount of outgoing radiation they blockages way high as because of the wave lengths and the size of the particles and whatnot so that that's something to be concerned about that something that people are legitimately monitoring what people to understand is just because you feel like when you look up in the sky see this crisscross patterns that there spraying you know one spraying this is just a natural reaction to jet engines anne condon nation in the atmosphere and the heat and the moisture of the jet engine that's all it is that they are actually talking about a way of using contrails for a kind of geo engineering and this is something that people often get confused about 'cause you
see these two words together contrails in geo engineering and they think oh that's chem trails but what they're trying to do is use air traffic control and computers and weather forecasting to make it so the planes don't fly through the contrail warming areas when they would make contrails at night i make it so they do fly through contrail forming areas when it make with mecum trails during the day this is a conversation they're having or something that's actually being it's not something that there actually done right it's something that they can research fairly easily if they were considering trying to heat up the atmosphere heat up the earth at night they would just fly over these moisture rich areas and if they weren't they would avoid them but the goal obviously is to combat like climate change global warming and cool the earth down so there are relatively
cheap way of doing that to a degree is to have these planes be controlled by computers and it could increases fuel costs for the airline by about two or three percent because they had to make very deviation sometimes in height and sometimes in direction but it could we have a significant effect on the earths climate if we had the entire world airline fleets all in this program where they would fly making can't so whether we needed and not making contracts where they were not needed and how exactly they are monitoring the moisture content in the atmosphere like what are they using to do that satellites yeah it's a combination of things de e d u sounding balloons switch at the scenery and weather balloons basically which come as they can be rough i was quite a lot and the these satellites and the use planes sensing the document when the flying fruit and the use of these inputs and it goes into a big computer model which basically predicts where the humidity will be at any particular point is basically big weather forecast for the operators
now jamie google cia admits geo engineering 'cause this is one that this the chemtrail believers consu we bring up it was a conversation that some guy in the cia had at some meeting where they were discussing potential future ways to use geo engineering like let's play with this guys s ci director john brennan cats often referred to collectively as geo engineering that potentially could help reverse the warming effects of global climate change one that has gained my personal attention is stratospheric aerosols injection or s a i a method of seating the stratosphere with particles that can help reflect the sun's heat in much the same way that the comic options do in sai program could limit global temperature increases reducing some risks associated with higher temperatures
what are the ones that are to be freezing out with the image and keep changing back to a youtube clip have to refresh the page and one every start out because i'm have epilepsy hold go ahead just take it from where he left it here what what else has to say soul injection or sai a method of seeding the stratosphere with particles that can help reflect the sun's heat in much the same way that volcanic eruptions do an essay i program could limit globe temperature increases reducing some risks associated with higher temperatures and providing the world economy additional time to transition from fossil fuels this process is also relatively inexpensive the national research council estimates that have fully deployed sai program would cost about ten billion dollars yearly as promising as it may be moving for an essay i would also raise a number of challenges for a government and for the international community on the technical side we
house gas emission reductions we still have to accompany sai to address other climate change effects such as ocean acidification because sa i alone would not remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere on the geo political side the technology's potential to alter weather patterns and benefit certain regions of the world at the expense of other regions could trigger sharp position by some nations others might seize on benefits and back away from their to carbon dioxide reductions and as with other breakthrough global norms and standards are lacking to guide the deployment and implementation of sai another we get it so this guy is talking about an idea of bring things in the atmosphere to do something yeah he's talking about geo engineering springs
from plane was talking about uhm he's talking about reflective particles right isn't the idea yeah the you spray sulfur dioxide which isn't exactly a reflective particle but access there like a nucleolus for upper atmosphere clouds and things like that it's basically like said the same thing a volcano does when when volcano erupts it spews ahold bunch of sulfur dioxide and various other things into the upper atmosphere and that creates hayes basically which blocks the incoming radiation and cools things down every time a big volcano goes off you see a little dip in the earth's temperature because of this blocking effect that it hurts and so the theory is that you could do something similar and you could do it by spraying things out of planes but yeah he's talking things that we might to do in the future you see everything every year he uses the future tense what we could do this in mind that you may do this the effects might be this and he's talking about the possible geo political impacts of it which is a very significant
like if one country is going to be spraying something that would cause the say the monsoons to nn intensity or to harvin intensity in india that could cause the the deaths of millions of people from famine and flooding and this is what people think has happened with the big hurricanes in the united states they do think that there's no evidence of that actually happening here the pattern of hurricanes is pretty much the same as been for a long time when you look at the statistical variations that maybe bit more intense because the oceans are a bit warmer where it's not you know there's no people think that hurricanes have been steered yeah i've heard that one then harp yeah through hop that doesn't make any sense but there is there are ways that do make sense which are a cloud seeding like if you do lots of seeding of the hurricane on one side you could perhaps like reduce the amount of humidity moist you're on that side and so it was kind of turn
a little bit more and move over to one side so there are ways that night work and they did actually experiment with this i think back in the 70s or so there's one experiment where they tried seating a hurricane but he ended up going somewhere else other than whether they intended and it destroyed a whole bunch of houses the problem with having a video like this is that this guy hi is admitting that they have looked into potentially spring things no one ever denied that we've been king into geo engineering for decades has been proposed like in in in some sense for over one hundred years the other problem serious and since the 70s the other problem is he gave it he gave it initials sai that's a problem people love initials they love it but super excited but most people use the srm the solar radiation management
to go into yeah s r and s as a a c i a d e a as i found those sounds jerry then its arm wrestling tegic aerosol injection but it would have to be studies and there has to be there are lots of studies going on right now though people are studying geo engineering there's actually lots of people who specialized in geo engineering was going to say is these studies would have to be available for people to understand but nobody wants to do that he wants to go and you wanted to look up and see the thing behind the jet and go they started it there spraying this patchwork looked stays all over us which it does happen you can clear sky and you have the air conditions in a bunch of jets fly over and also it's very hazy it does it doesn't that's the type of thing that's been reported since the second world war
and even earlier the the first contrails that was spreading out into class reported in like the nineteen twenties yeah well i i took some of the some of these photos and i put him up i think the last time we had this conversation we could see him from world war two and these jets and you see the contrails behind the jets and the but some people does the uh thing is like contrails disappear but chemtrail stay well that's not you misunderstand what happens the contrail stay if there's more moisture if the conditions occur they stay in if the conditions are barely enough to make a contrail to dissipate fairly rapidly with that thing that can i use circular logic if you ask them why do you think that contrails dissapate in chem trails stay and say because i can see it if you look up you look at the chem trails and the staying and the contra for dissipating is that how do you know which is which well the contrails that the ones that dissipate yeah so they don't have any basis
simply an yeah the one thing i do which you probably seen is that video where i go through all my old books on on the weather and i look up in each one of them action on contrails and i read the bit in it that says like contrails persist brauer sometimes a contrail sometimes spread out to cover the sky contrails like last a long time and i go back from these books from the 1990s all the way back to the 1950s and i've got books in the 1940s and if we show people these actual books is a really powerful way of like getting through to them because they just assumed that the contrails can't persist and they have assumed that this is a recent phenomenon 'cause they don't remember it attention yeah people don't notice them until ninety percent of the people don't notice contrails until they hear about the chemtrail conspiracy theory alot of people they will hear about
and then the same day they will go outside and look at the sky and then it's the first time they've ever notice these contrails even the people who like the higher up's in the in the there in the control movement they only know system when they hear about the theory the guy he lived in san diego and he never notice them until like two thousand and fourteen and he there are all his life and now is publishing scientific papers j marvin herndon is his name is publishing these scientific papers about how the spraying kolache and like the waste products of burning coal and power stations the spring that in the upper atmosphere and it's actually got like three or four papers published in these kind of pay to publish a scientific journals and that's going to becoming a bit of a hello my light this this thing with brandon by the cia guy we will bring that up
all the time all the time all the time you just have to explain it to them again he's talking about the future use and this guy was totally talking about possible solutions for global warming now the problem with it is when he's talking about possum solutions and then people look up and they see these actual clouds that created by jets they assumed this is already begun at the government would not tell us about it right now is because they dent on the sand contrail the difference between contrails and with this stuff would look like yeah yeah and just the fact that contrails look like this they heard the contrail shouldn't persist well with another thing that drove me crazy is like if you really want to worry about health consequences of these things you see in the sky there's a reality to it the reality is there burning jet fuel and all the people that live around the airports get sick like it's
there's high levels of respiratory illness that are associated with living within a certain distance of airplanes or airports have you trying to congested hub like lax don't buy a house like a block away it's not good for your health they're burning jet fuel that's going to get in the air pollution less pollution from from a car yeah but it's even more intense 'cause you're in thousands and thousands of giant planes even less smoke at both like santa monica they have problems with that slide the if you look at the house is just at the end of santa monica runway which is that right next to the end of the runway disease houses at the did tests were for light beria's metal particulars and stuff from the ones right by the end of the runway and they get to get pollution of course is very real problems that's the real problem and that's a real one now imagine if that was something that the government was engineering if they really were engineering spraying things to give people operatory illness so that the hospital industry could profit
whatever the reason what's right that would be you know something that people could be concerned with like look there's a real connection between airplanes and illnesses but it's not and stuff in the scott that's not real i under and people love these things and i understand people don't trust the government those things completely make sense to me but you gotta pay attention to what's real and what's not real 'cause as soon as you don't do that that the real stuff that the government does all the real stuff government does like these fucking roads are going to be cold in alaska right now through dangerous areas where they have salmon rivers are going to there start doing mining i think what is the pebble beach is at the no what is the the the big mining issue in alaska that is going on right now crystal bay bristol bay that's it pebble in bristol and know how i got those two confused pebble mind that's what it is and they want
you want to do this and it's near a major salmon area where these salmon uses river and the people that live there terrified but they're going to do yes this is a real for profit thing where they are pudding the environment at risk that's real so this is something that people should be concerned about but they're not they don't get concerned about those kind of things you know environmentalists too and conservationists do but the concern theorists don't they don't look at that and go hey here's clear evidence of the the government being in bed with enormous businesses that stand to profit spectacular amounts of money from asking the environment and risking these very delicate salmon fisheries yeah not that type of thing is the exact reason why i still spend so much time debunking stuff like conspiracy theories good i think that so much of conspiracy theories the result of the the effect on
visitors is distracting people from real issues from real issue yeah yes i agree like if you like you say with the the airplane stuff like if people are thinking this brain chemicals are about to be like at amp planes that is not gonna be worried about at regular pollution and if they i think that they are controlling the climate already they're not going to worry about any type of global warming let's find one that we disagree on i think you believe the official story of the jfk assassination do you more or less yeah more or less my belief and this is uh this uh changes overtime i think that lee harvey oswald was in on it i think he was a part of it but i think there were multiple people that were in on it that's what i believe you think the multiple shooters yes and one of the reasons why i believe that is because the formation of the single bullet theory in the single bullet theory was formed because the fact that they had to account for one bullet that hit the uh
their pass ricocheted off and put some men in the hospital and that before that they did not have an explanation for why they all of these bullets bullet hole all these wounds were in all these different people's bodies the other reason why i'm inclined to believe there's a conspiracy was the fact that they found that bullet on connor gurnee when they brought him into the house but it's two convenient and the bullet itself is fairly pristine now knowing as much as i know about bullets from personal experience with hunting you can't hit anything with uh i pulled a lot of bullets out of animals when you put an animal and you hit bone those bullets they distort brutally i mean they don't look like that if they go through two people and hit all sorts of bone that's the bullet that came out of connelly's body or economies gurnee gurney excuse me and that's the below that there contributing to this single bullet theory if you look the path of the bullet that goes
through connally or goes through kennedy and then goes through conley that that to me is not unbelievable it's not unbelievable that what is there you go look at the other but even that one but no no let's see what i'm saying even that one is not unbelievable it is believable to me because i know that bullets do strange things when they hit thing right but you you got it combine that with the fact that the book came out fairly bursting with me didn't ask you go through a kind of a bouncy pathlight that right it went straight past this diagram is from a conspiracy theorist but essentially yes but there are a diagrams that will show the actual path with him let you know the got them the boats that are on the same level and you know that kennedy was actually said he was selling it yes so see if you can find one that has the actual seating arrangement or more accuracy there although on right there with the red line in the right hand side the one the right hand side that's a more accurate yeah from above
there's also the the fact that there was particles there was more metallic particles from the boats more fragments from the bullet in conley's body then were missing from the bullet i believe that was the board and i think that that is a very reasonable assumption well you know we should do you should get one of those guns get the same bullets get some ballistic damage or some bones inside and start shooting they've already done that yeah they penn and teller did that yeah some people have done it and they have found pretty close to what actually now they did within within the round no no not every bullet that hit bone got distorted that's just what happens that you only shoot those bullets into water are you shoot those bowl it's into like fluff or something like that that doesn't have a lot of impact to slow the pull it down then you get a bullet that looks like that if you shoot a bullet into bone they distort wildly with the bone was the last thing that it hit but it doesn't matter it's still hitting bone but it stopped at that point yeah but
he didn't hit bone and in kennedy's body as well when she was negligent it so the odds of it hitting only soft tissue and it's going to through his neck and it came out here that didn't clip one of his vertebrae or something like that i don't think that's real also there's a difference between and this is fact from david lipton's book best evidence which was a book by an accountant to went over the warren commission report found all these factual inaccuracy's and all these contradictions he found that there was a difference in the autopsy report at bethesda md the fez duh naval hospital versus the the and reported on the scene in dallas the first doctors that got a hoe kennedy's body in dallas before they flew him to bethesda said that the hole in his neck entry wound when they
not to maryland they changed that to a tracheotomy hole and they said that it was they said that this was not an impact from a bullet that it was from something else s someone said they enlarge the hole yeah insert a trick to yeah well i think well other result there's also a lot of pressure on these people to try to this up nice and tight and say that lee harvey oswald was the shooter there was yeah yeah yeah this is big thing about the ca the cia inventing the another fbi fbi will inventing the term conspiracy theory was the cii think i think it was the cia yeah and this was a couple of years after the assassination the there was a memo that went out where they were concerned about all these conspiracy theories that were coming out and they use the term cosper
if there is and then they they said they should try to basically debunk them and make the people who had spread them around look like a a conspiracy theory exactly so that the theory is the term conspiracy theory came from that particular memo but that member and they never actually encourage people to use the term but yeah there was a huge concern from the cia they would be they would lose the trust of the public if people everybody started believing there was a conspiracy theory yeah at least that's what they said i mean it may be there is a conspiracy and maybe they're just trying to cover it up but did you see the most recent dump of uh information on the kennedy assassination that jack ruby had stated to people that before the day of the kennedy assassination keep an eye out today is going to be fireworks i didn't see yeah those jack ruby who eventually won up shooting lee harvey oswald in front of the police officers yeah
but you know something like that you know there's no dead obviously so you asking what he actually meant and things like that take on a special significance after an event true whereas you could be just talking about like he was going to go visit his ex wife or something or it was going to the bar or he was looking forward to shouting at the parade or whatever it could have been nothing yet people say things and after something happens people go back and they look at everything that happened and then they say well that sounds like something significant like with the vegas shooting there was a woman walking around the crowd in the vegas shooting saying yeah you're all going to die this is what some people said and this was like half an hour before the actual shooting itself so people take that event and then yes it's a lot of people did die they think that this woman actually knew what was going to happen then she was trying to warn people right but you also creative people wandering around saying things all the time you know especially in vegas yeah
and the problem with you're all going to die is that that's a common one some guy was yelling that we took pictures of 'em when here in vegas long before the shooting that was a few months ago we standing we were in a car and he was standing on the corner and he had a stack of signs i put open my instagram i know i did because as many there's stacks of signs he had not just one sign we had like a long totem pole of signs with all these different things and i was take photos of it and the guy was yelling out everyone's going to die i mean he was yelling it out that you know god god's wrath and all this you know crazy religious stuff that's a common thing for crazy people shout yes and if they do show it's not like this woman was saying specifically someone is going to shoot everyone at this concert get out of here this is a dangerous area if you're trying to warn them to do it a bit more specific yes very specific right if she knew something you see that you find it now it's i know i put it up there 'cause we're mocking it
can you put on my instagram story and it went away i don't think so though i think it's it's there from i want to i want say was at least six months ago i mean this guy 'cause i like this guy i've got a lot of fuckin science like one signs not enough i goes this is the guy this is the real my twitter only has a hundred forty character mother like this i think our members like to like this is like a hundred and twenty degrees out to it now yes it was very hot this groovy had this giant stack of signs so the the back to the the kennedy thing what do you think happened do you think the lee harvey oswald probably acted alone i think he probably acted alone i think like the physics of what happened like is fairly consistent with the single shooter theory now admittedly the magic bullet is a bit strange but i don't think it's out of the rounds of possibilities i do because of the
fact the metal particles there's more bullet fragments in conley's body then we're missing from that almost pristine bullet and even though the fact at the very end it went through all that very it didn't hit any bone until it hit his wrist then it would not have been compromised very much ballistically it would still be going incredibly fast and still with a smashed is that bone it did enough to break his wrist and it would have distorted the bull that's just what happens with bullets see unfortunately i don't really follow jfk conspiracy very much and the reason i don't is that there are already like i think literally over a thousand books i've read i've read a few got into case closed those vincent bugliosi is book because i know who it was but i was like this guy's got an agenda it just didn't it there's there's many
books that you could read about the kennedy assassination and some of them favor the conspiracy and some of them favor the assassination i think they have a lot some have merit on both sides one thing drives me crazy when people say that you could never make that shot that's fucking bullshit that's bullshit this is why i know it's bullshit because it was only like a couple one hundred yards like a couple one hundred yards shooting it something the size of a person's head is easy what about jesse ventura trying to do the three three shots game three shots off he didn't know what he's doing but first of all you would if you were used to that rifle and you practice that wasn't someone said oh the scope was off i think that's bullshit to the re so i think that's bullshit 'cause it's easy to knock a scope off you have to have uh chain of evidence between the time lee harvey oswald had that scope shooting that rifle the moment shot that rifle and then you have to
send it off to someone who checks the scope right then because if you drop in rifle the scope goes off just drop it i've done that before i dropped a rifle once when i was hunting in wisconsin and my scope was off by six inches at a hundred yards just dropping it so the idea that he could have never made that shot 'cause the scope is off scopes get adjusted that's what happens when you drop a scope they move that's that's a whole thing about ballistics you have to check then you go to the range he set up a a lead sled you lay though the rifle down so it's perfectly stable you squeeze off a shot you use the binoculars to find out where the the shot hit on the target and then you just the scope they're just double so the idea that scope was no good is crazy the idea that that shot was too far to make insane it was i think it was less than one hundred yards when they think he made the first shot which is a chip shot the shot that you would make without even arrest now he's making this shot resting on the window so he's perfectly steady the idea though it was impossible is crazy the id
so that no one can do that in three shots that's been disproven some can do it someone is really good at re loading and loading can do it just 'cause steve endura couldn't do it but jesse super conspiracy mind is like he goes on all in with the conspiracy theorists the motivated reasoning part of gas i don't know if is doing it three show up because he really believes that i worked with the same people that did his show the same people that did his show the reason why did joe rogan questions everything is they wanted me to take over jesse show after all right done and i was on interest i was like i'm not can i'm not that guy i'm not like the yeah i believe every conspiracy guy i go i think there's people i think people have a real weird vested interest and proving that things are a conspiracy i'm intra in finding out what things really are like legitimately what they really are and even if i'm wrong like i'm i have i'm not not interested in reinforcing things i've already said
now the what i said was wrong i'm interested in repeating that i was wrong as many times as they can to get it out to as many people as i can yeah i'm with you because i think it's important so this so this jfk thing there's bullshit on both sides of it but the idea though this guy who went over to russia married a russian citizen came back here was i mean you mean he was absolutely involved in some shady weird shit with cuba he's a fucking weird guy like me harvey oswald was a weird guy the idea that he completely innocent i'm not buying that either i don't yeah i did the idea that it's proven that he act it entirely alone it's entirely possible that the other people who were like helping him or a a motivating him or giving instructions eva yeah the thing i i don't think it's really proven is the the new national shooter theory does not proven and there have been people that said they heard things for behind them the problem with that is chaos when you have gunshots
first of all gunshots in an area like dealey plaza the echoes rap goes ring out and people clay seem to see things in here things they even believe themselves of you tell someone that you heard so thing in the bushes and then you run away that person will say i heard something in the bushes and then uh people were repeated it becomes the narrative and it just gets really hot create memories yes you can you can you can yeah point to somebody and say they're somebody that or nothing that somebody that i liked it because they you know the brain is okay all sickly working eight to forms memory is in a very weird way especially when it comes to something that's so significant like the president getting shot or any sort of violent thing now this something that gets repeated ad nauseam about nine hundred and eleven it's something that people point to where they think that when the plane hit those buildings that there was detonations that cause tower one in tower two to fall there's no way they would have fallen like that like
people say no they heard things in the buildings they heard explosions people will always say shit like that an on top of that if you're dealing with a building collapsing like that you're gonna hear a lot of crazy yeah yeah you get it that are going to be explosions yeah things are falling into this the man there were people falling the buildings which goes to tower seven that's another one that's coming up see if you can find the video j there's a video that shows what really happened in tower seven there's a guy who was a conspiracy guy he was really deep conspiracies and then the more he started looking into tower seven the more he realized that everyone is just showing the very fine no video where towers even collapses like a controlled demolition it looks exactly like a controlled demolition however if you find the video you see that the interior had collapsed moments before
like quite a before edward current i think is the guy didn't think that's exactly what is see if you find that gentleman video but he shows how the top of it you could see the top of power seven give in which is can distant with this idea that the diesel fuel that they had in the basement had created wasn't like diesel thanks yeah that was an early theory at the diesel fuel that was actually feeling the fire they never found any evidence that actually the diesels fuel contributed to the fires just regular office bias which is what every find so so just the diesel never caught fire it might have been after the collapse i think they recovered one of the tanks with some days will still in it so series of diesel likely fed by a series of diesel generators locating the lower floors which is where most of the fires were concentrated
so at least one of the diesel power a diesel tanks didn't light up is that we are saying yeah is that the diesel had nothing to do with it okay so nist which if you are a conspiracy theory person to get really angry when you bring up nests that the government government man so i think this is an older video yeah this isn't the video j there's one by edward current yeah what it does is it shows the top of the building cave in first quite a bit before the rest of the building so this idea that it all cave in like a can cold demolition because they detonated all those things do do is that edward current i gotta find a good spot of the video to show it video yeah so what happened what they think was that the fire this is shitty design of a building and the file caused
internal damn kids to all of the floor so you see that will trade center one fell basically against the side of seven it was stuck inside back of the building was all kind of like all the windows were broken on the backside there is one column in the middle of the back that was missing a big chunk the lower are west side was going to gouge it out right so this idea that it was just a fire yeah it wasn't just a fire yeah the fire is what triggered the collapse eventually but the fact that the windows are missing from the outside contributed a lot to that he got a lot of wind flow through see if he's got the i don't know maybe this is a bad thing to do while you're actually doing the show so this is what the idea is the nist computer models that all these floors had collapsed inside outside collapse too but what this guy
edward current had showed in his video i think it was him was he showed that the top right that's yeah the top ten house had collapsed first there it is saved the penthouse collapsing see a sinking it up with the two the two videos yeah elation so the thing up there and then boom you see it collapse and so nine does breaking writer the down exactly now something that no one ever shows and then it gives in right so this is not a quick thing like the controlled demolition all those windows giving in is in dick we have all those floors collapsing probably more than it is the idea of you know the people that one to see conspiracy think that those bombs were going off there and that as those technicians are explosions were going off that what caused all those floors to collapse on top of each other yeah i think like that's was talking about with the core beliefs of the consumer there is with nine eleven this this fact that so we'll try ten to seven looks like a controlled demolition and right is cool belief when you actually get a
into something and describe what's actually happening you have to go to a much more complicated conspiracy theory and a much more calm any way of looking at what actually happened and now they're trying to do a complicated study of world trade center seven at the university of alaska this is something paid for by architects and engineers for nine hundred and eleven truth they're trying to actually figure out how we can reconcile controlled molition with the fact that it collapsed the way it did right so they're trying to actually explain something which doesn't really need exploiting because the explanation is being done by nest already so but there trying to do is find something that reinforces their initial idea instead of just look at the tax itself saying oh yeah you look at the top of the penthouse collapsing that's not indicative of a controlled demolition that's indicative of the model that misdescribed which is a slow burn inside extremely hot interior
second of all the internal structure everything starts to collapse inside and the outside collapses too well some of them will say that that he's actually how controlled demolition so done you blow up the interior of the building first and then you blow up the exterior of the building but the problem is that none of the exterior columns were cut there was no explosion scene on the exterior columns and if you look at the world and one two coming down you you can kind of imagine there explosions going all the way down 'cause the things that look like explosions from the falling floors put in seven you just see the building i'm just going to crumple down so they have to kind of explain that so they come up with this study that they funded custom like the four hundred thousand dollars and they're trying to come up with an explanation that doesn't involve fire so there saying like if if it those controlled demolition then the way they would have done it is blowing up these interior columns and it would have pulled in the exterior and collapse the way we see in the video and i think that some of the
say that the penthouse thing was a separate thing 'cause they wanted to have a neat demolition so they first of all blew up a few flaws just underneath the penthouse so it neatly collapsed inside the bill playing and then they blew up some floors at the bottom so it all fell in on itself without damaging the surrounding buildings too much so we got this complex theory and it's based on confirmation bias it's based on confirming this idea that this is a controlled demolition not on examining the whole thing as it is in going ok is it possible that the models correct into these files the thing that i br talk to people all the time when they want to talk about conspiracies there's a real conspiracy at nine hundred and eleven and that's the fact that it happened the fact that they did why planes into buildings that's a conspiracy and they pulled it off that actually did happen people don't want that to be it they wanted to be a much br broader conspiracy involving world governments that are trying to close in on you know all our rights and this is the way to do good and you know his proportionality
people want something to be in proportion to the size of the event when they think just like a bunch of arabs with knives isn't big enough cause so they think that it has to be something we are more significant even like with the physics of it they think near the plane flew into the building and it didn't collapse so why would it why would it collapse some of them some people don't think that the anyway even if that's my role they think you would have to bounce off who the sing sent some of them think that the that the town would have knocked over really yeah but these are people who really know conception have physics and there's a minority of people but you will find people who don't the stand how aluminum can cut through steel you know the columns of the exterior of the world trade center were made of steel very strong steel and planes are made of mostly aluminum so they don't understand how a plane made of aluminum which is soft can go through steel which is very hard and strong
an example i will get to them as the ping pong ball going through a ping pong paddle if you make you get fast enough this is something i miss busters do and various other people have done you you send up a regular ping pong ball five hundred miles an hour into a ping pong paddle and it just goes straight through it leaves a ping pong ball hole in the love it and that's just what happened on nine slash eleven the planes were going at five hundred miles an hour and then you could do that with a ping pong ball you can wow it's it's just matter well for the planes to the amount of mass you're dealing two in the speeds from five hundred miles an hour yeah and may need to is a name to be doesn't even need to be relatively that much mass yeah i think a pink on bullet wavelike not one gram and a paddle ways like two hundred grams of some things and you wouldn't think in paddles there this laminated wood and rubber and you got this flu little bowl is how on earth is not going to go through this is unintuitive
so you can understand how people would be confused about why the planes left these little roadrunner holes see if you can find that you have the miss mythbusters thing i want to see that are here it is wow that was a so they have some crazy the problem is that they're doing that right in front of that they have to do that with ten football because it would slow down but i understand but you're also dealing with the actual air if it's the it's it is the ping pong ball that does it you can see it in slow motion bring up was a guy killed himself once accidentally on a movie set it took her an unloaded gun and he shot it into his temple and it blows brains out yeah it was blank but the fact that it was a blank didn't stop that air from blowing through the thing that people do when they hunt in alaska
an incredibly moist climates and put place there's a lot of dirt and debris they will put tape over the top of the rifle over the end of the barrel where the bullet comes over or they even condom and it has no effect whatsoever on the accuracy of the bullet because the air coming out of the rifle barrel from the explosion blows that tape before the bill it even gets to it yeah yeah you know the only reason they have to have that thing right at the end of the barrel is the ping pong ball with slow down yeah that makes a in in the aggregate satellite but if you have shot something a little bit heavier but still pretty small it will that's yeah i know it makes sense when you think you get to scale it up like imagine like a beer barrel made steel or aluminum you know slight ways like like one hundred pounds or whatever when it's fall
and imagine that slamming into something at five hundred miles an hour have a ping pong ball can do something at five hundred miles an hour or beer barrel at five miles an hour can do an awful amount of damage probably through a building and then you scale up from like a beer barrel to two hundred ton plane yeah and two hundred tons hitting something at five hundred miles an hour it doesn't matter that it's you know it's made of aluminum is still two hundred tons of something if it was just big bag of water hitting something at five hundred miles an hour it would still make a hole in the side i think this is a problem with a lot of these theories is that a lot of the people that are involved in these theories are either not educated in what they're talking about because there are some various nuances to things like this ping pong ball trick or they don't they don't want to be like they don't want to look at anything that that takes away from this conspiracy they don't wanna look at
anything that debunks are disproves they just want confirmation of their initial idea this is some big grand conspiracy that someone is in on it and it's happening right before our eyes yeah yeah is quite hard to get one point point a lot of people people yeah if someone starts out with that that theory that luminum cannot cut steel keeping obstacle that you have to get past if you can't disprove that one thing it does nothing else matters really for them because the end of plane couldn't the building therefore everything is a conspiracy so you kind of have to address these things yeah you have to and it's it's important for people before they decide that this is you know that the guy in spraying things in the sky that the world is flat or what whatever whatever these things are it's important to
look at all the evidence these youtube videos one of the real problems with them is that they get to play out without being interrupted much like a podcast unfortunately but they get to have these grand statement without anyone who's an expert stepping in and stopping them and saying well not true and here's why it's not true and here's why you can prove that it's not true which would do you rail most of the these conspiracy theories really quickly yeah and that's that's kind of the brain she aspect of these videos people people watch these three hour videos yeah kind of me at first i was surprised that people would since the three hour podcast you know once you get going in something you know the first time i was on your podcast at the time went by a light line nothing and if you're into some thing and you get sucked into it and you know you got this really interesting theory and it's like all these revelations like all my god i'm i'm getting the the and the re skinny on the world yeah you just you just
such a in and then when it's finished your own kind of a dopamine high and you want to do more and you also feel like you're in on something that people don't know when you want to tell them about i and i've been there i've been there other but i've always tell people the dumbest one i ever believed in was those stupid tubes that fly through the air route serve yeah i was hook line and sinker i would go outside and i would try to find those things looking across the sky what it was was that there was a video that was made called roswell rods and it was trying to say that there was these bugs like things that look like jellyfish that were flying through the air so fast the naked i couldn't see them but they were catching on video cameras and then finally someone figured out that what it really was was you could have an hd camera right next to a standard definition camera and standard see those things flying across the sky but it's just of it the artifact when
the camera cannot pick up those those bugs it elongates them and streaks them across the camera ocean yeah it's motion blur and this guy this i came to one of my ufc qa's once and he waited in line and yelled out you're wrong about the rods the rods are real i can prove it silly but these this that was monster quest had proven that on television that set up two cameras have a so hard when that is actually being proven and you go this year yeah conclusive proof and yet there are still loads and loads of people who believe in in ralph doesn't look outlooks pacifico how is describing it looks like some kind of alien jellyfish that so fast flies through the air faster than you can say i mean the problem is these guys have a vested interest in it being real is motivated and not necessarily by money they just motivated because once
i believe something they feel like the privy to this special knowledge just going to be such a let down if they're wrong i think it's that end money mean he said he sold a bunch of videos i bought am i bought two of those bitches i'll try to start out with the assumption that people are not basically good people rather than not trying to make money right well i think they also get caught up in the business of whatever it is you know if you're in the ufo business and then someone comes along and shuts down your business you're going to try to well let me sort of they're not going to look objectively they're going to want to keep my business alive i want to protect my business yeah like architects and engineers for nine hundred and eleven truth there there are like one slash two million dollar e business they're taking me in four hundred and eight hundred thousand dollars a year and pray distance of the the architects and engineers he is paid a salary of like eighty five thousand dollars a year and he gets his expenses paid now that doesn't mean that he doesn't believe in what is doing
he sure started out as like a hardcore believer in nine hundred and eleven truth but over the last ten years this has become his life and his livelihood so even if you really believe that he still has this additional level of motivation to not disprove things how many people are in architects and engineers for nine hundred and eleven truth well it depends how you count it like that where they say they have like thousands of architects and engineers actually sign in the petition i think they have like maybe a few hundred working structural engineers what do you think of their take on it that take invite the standard of nine hundred and eleven truth they think that it's controlled demolition and i think they have all this evidence for controlled demolition but it's not very good evidence is one of
experts is a high school physics teacher and a high school physics he just make some very simple mistakes about physics of the the falling towers and they repeat this on that website unquestioningly is another guy who's like the expert on the nano thermite residue that was found yeah the the thing with these reading great specs of what looks like a a paint and rust was actually that none of them might since he's now like an expert on their site get to say whatever he likes and he's got this one theory about how the bits of steel that flew out of the building now these nano thermite rockets attached to them which is why they
we're leaving these trails of smoke behind when they fell down and these are things that are just pretty ridiculous and you can kind of debunk them with physics they'll have none of it because they've got their experts saying something and you can't you can't deny the fact that jimmy county ninety count to debunk they're exposed because the experts you know why why would you know more about high school physics teacher about physics when we know more about nasa might than this guy who is an expert in nine is that right said that they got all these supposed expertise making these mistakes about nine eleven right the the the the president has this ridiculous demonstration that he does where he held that to cardboard boxes underneath one of them is empty space and then the other one there is a tower and he drops them and this one forced at the ground and this one bounces off the cardboard box
i was basically saying this is what should have happened this upper portion should have stopped on the way down and is using these cardboard boxes in as a demonstration but that they ridiculous oversimplifications of what i what happened the engineers take on things you know from the architect and engineers on i really didn't bother getting into it too much but i just do know that it's over one hundred people have not over one thousand and they're all over the world but how many people have studied it that disagree with them like how many enter the architects and engineers that are in arc i mean there's a lot of architects and a lot of engineers in this world yet the they recently tried to get a a motion passed at the american institute of architects which there's basically a re open world trade center seven and they went to the the comp
tension and they stood up and they gave us speeches and gave their all the evidence about why you the building seven investigation to be we opened and they took a vote and i think it was about something like ninety seven to three percent against doing this so of the architects who were actually there is professional architects ninety seven percent i can't remember the exact video spirits around that voted against this so even though the reopening even though there are thousands of signatures to eighty nine eleven petition who are actually architects when you actually if you look at the actual millions of architects that are out there in the world is a very a small fraction of that right but how many of those millions have studied it the real problem i would like to see someone who's like a real legitimate top of the food chain architect from the debunking side
view it from someone who is absolutely bella in lots of people lots of people have done various studies on nine eleven and the collapse of the building there was a book by from london i think is cool thing fu chinese guy from london who wrote book on progressive collapses in large buildings came out last year twenty sixteen and discusses light why building seven collapse why the will trade center towers collapsed amongst a whole bunch of buildings one which are the clubs didn't said there are lots of people who do i the study it and within a nine eleven architects engineers for nine eleven they the vast majority of them have not started it if you look at that position statements if you look back everybody who joins a lot right so little statement which goes on the website they'll say things like i watched loose change and that opened my eyes right or yeah it look weird to me that's like the real
common thing that when i saw the towers fall i knew it wasn't you know it wasn't but it wasn't a a regular collapse it looked weird to me is my favorite one it it'll but it did look away yeah it's a me yeah size yeah then an architect saying it looked weird to them you know look for everybody and no one has seen anything like that before was unprecedented in the saturn five rocket to sing looks weird because it hadn't happened before yeah there's a things that look weird what other things do you i think that you and i disagree on i think maybe the more gallons are morgellons thing oh yeah you are more prone to think that it's a real thing because you went to the more gallons conference not that it's a real thing that there's real fibers growing out of people but this neurotoxic this is what i got from a doctor the
doctor who had more is at the clinic who a very reasonable guy william harvey i think is that his name he has lyme disease and he said the vast majority of the people that have more jones also have lyme disease affect and he believes that there is a neurotoxic quality to lyme disease that effects the way you see things and even this nations and he witnessed himself he said i hallucinated and saw something crawling across the surface of my eyeball in the mirror but it wasn't a real thing i couldn't see it after you know i looked at it again it was it was gone but i did see it for a moment and he's convinced that lyme disease when you catch lyme disease not necessarily catching it's not like you know you have tylenol you know something that's isolated it's very specific get tylenol you're getting tylenol he's like when you get bit by a check that has lyme disease you could get a host of pathogens and there's
what would test positive for lyme disease very tricky to find someone to have it this doctor this one one guy william honey he he's a guy who thinks he has more guns or things you have running well he definitely has chronic lyme and is that what morgellons is is a side effect of chronic lyme where people start thinking there's fibers growing out of their skin and so they think that fibers that come from their clothes or carpets they get stuck to some they've been itching because they opened open wound and that they start misinterpreting it is being something that's grown out of their skin i would agree with that part of it yeah but that's what he said yeah so really he's not really a more gallons guy he's a chronic lyme guy yes he is he's a more jones guy in the fact that he has seen the hallucinations but because of the fact that he's a doctor and scientifically minded he believes that he's one
watching his own mind play tricks on him and he thinks there's neurotoxic qualities to whatever the pathogens that are in lyme disease are yeah well i guess i don't disagree with you too much then i want to screw you i think on chronic line but i think you probably know more about it than i do from i've seen like most doctors don't think chronic lyme is a real thing pens on how long you have it for before you get it treated that's the real issues of this business lime syndrome and chronic lyme but yeah some people think is a chronic infection and other nothing there just chronic effects like leftover from having lyme disease for a long time i think there's a lot of variability's i think one i mean i think we probably have to really consult an actual line this is doctor on this not my area of expertise nor mine but i do have friends that have gotten lyme disease and i know people that are suffering from it to this day that have like real real terrible issues but my friend jim miller who's a fighter in the ufc it's common go
with him in a terrible way it effects greatly effects is joints and and you know he's had to take various medications try to get a handle on it it depends i think on the purse there's a lot of lot of variables depends on the person depends on how quickly they detect lyme disease my friend brought his son to the doctor his son had lyme disease brought brought son to the doctor the doctor didn't believe you had lyme disease 'cause that the bullseye ring around the bite had gone away which does sometime happen he said now it's probably nothing and then the kidd developed bells palsy right then he said ok this is serious and then they realize that he actually does have lyme disease and he's pretty pissed the doctor didn't take him seriously he had the lyme disease as well he had to go on some serious intervenous antibiotics for months right it was like really heavy stuff so we did actually have lyme disease had lyme disease and it devastated him for months for months he wasn't the same i think a problem with a lot of these
medical conditions is the clinical diagnosis which means that the we know is not with tests that you can do a blood and things like that but it's based on the symptoms yes and a lot of that most people they they like to attribute their problems to something and give it a name so we a lot of things now like fiber myalgia where we don't have we can't do a like a blood test usually for something like fiber my uh you have elevated immune responses and things like that but you can't like say for sure this is fibromyalgia it could be just a symptom of something else but people like to put a name on things so if people have their getting aches and pains or whatever they say its fiber myalgia they convince themselves fibromyalgia with them self diagnosis yeah and with more gallons that happens a lot people people get old you are joint start
wake you have salsa fallout in your eyes start to you know you're losing your vision your focus and people i think what's wrong with me and they don't realize they're just getting old and they look it up and they they had more gallant or they think they have a line people just if they getting ill for some reason they like to attribute that chronic condition to something that they might that tack on to a particular thing like chronic lyme if something if they got bit bye take like last summer and then this summer now they have all these problems they might self diagnosis incline it is possible but you do realize there's a tremendous amount of lyme disease in the northeast lyme disease is very real so it's horrible horrible condition and the people that do get it mean that the uniform and the fact that it sucks it's and it's really scary because it really didn't
exist just a few hundred years ago i mean i i don't know where it came from yeah he's got an idea or maybe they didn't know it was people got it and no one had any idea what it was it could be it was discovered in the village of lime yeah which was was named after a me of the cuban embassy with the signing yeah what do you think about that thing i think it's i don't think it's there is any sonic weapon why do you think that because there is the same type of thing people are quoting a bunch of symptoms they haven't really done any dyke physical diagnosis of people people were getting ill people were reporting hearing noises is but the noise is kind of sound like cicadas and so it could have been like one guy wakes up in the middle of the night this is a gator in his room jumps out of bed securely goes quiet and whoever tries decatur in your yard you get
most of them and they go quiet so you gotta start moving to get back into bed skater starts buzzing again this happens to the guy say he tells sorry to someone he gets ill later there some unrelated thing and other people like you know well i don't feel very well either and then a some point people kind of make a apples connection and they start thinking that something actually happened and so this king people how you feeling he feeling alright how's your hearing and people say well here is not as good as it used to be my eyesight is not as good as it used to be having these balance problems but it's just peep just having normal normal life problems they're getting old or the near oh man do sickness so they moved moved away pull up pull up evidence of sonic weapon in cuba 'cause i don't i don't agree with you on this one us releases recordings of sonic weapon attacked used against diplomats in cuba play this
ok sounds a bit like a skater to maine please twenty two people been hurt by the mysterious high pitch sound how they have a twenty two most sick they talk to the doctors and they told them but this in terms of the helping people with brain damage but it's a clinical diagnosis you know that they have sonic weapons right yeah they are whether this is something that have been researched and it's real yeah it is and you don't it's entirely possible that this is a sonic weapon i don't see any evidence this is anyway have you looked into this a lot yeah yeah seems to me that if they're broadcasting it this is something that you know the government's talking wanted their investigating in all these different people are investigating it it seems like there's an evidence that they are concerned we want reporting different things
stressful conditions not sonic weapon second us diplomats cuba panel certs yet retails showing you as it got sick mind think they're right thank you q will i issue they've got an interest in figuring it out you may want to get the thing is yeah of course yeah probably not cuba doing it if it was somebody this after a nine month probe hanford by a lack of success the lack of access to medical records a panel of cuban scientists today declared us dip math here likely suffered a collective psycho genetic psychogenic psychogenic disorder deliver us how mass hysteria essentially so see if what evidence there is that bass pro this i typed in evidence this is the this is what came up yes exactly the latest thing is that but see if there's any other articles contradict there is a lighter thing then this where there's been they say the detected chain
it is in the white matter of the brain of some people which is a bit vague and they don't wait matter of the brain yesterday using fmri what are they using to find i don't know how they do it but i can't even figure out cte and players it's but he knows what caused this and how many will actually have it and you have one guy has changes in the white matter of his brain who knows what that's actually do to doctors treating victims in the attack though i've found visible perceptible damage to the patient's brains marking the first solid evidence that sophisticated been described by embassy staff is entirely real the associate associated press reports the associate press based on what based on someone at the state department saying we have found some damage somewhere department is covering their ass the state department expelled cuban diplomats because of this meanwhile the cubed so that's uh mine may do nothing we didn't have in mind let's go back up there please because rollback
fill it up they took some americans away from the embassy because they were sick and so they said the cube didn't protect the americans well enough so you're going to have to send six people back as well see it says the state department the fbi officials oh it's so unlike anything the state department the fbi officials have ever seen that the cuban norman claimed the high pitched whirring sounds reported by the us embassy staff are just cicadas seems almost possible click on that link that says they're just cicadas up at the top that with the same way so i think that it it's a similar attack happen to somebody else in is becca stan is that bush really old school bush our live picture is being attacked by a bear how did it all yeah it's weird sound for sure but i would think that something that
would be that you could damage you would be a free you can see that would be audible yeah well some of them reported hearing things but you know people some people didn't report hearing thing some people have the high pitch wine that disappeared some people found a long lasting rumbling noise some people that might be not be sonic changes all kinds of different your regular more gallons comic chronic fatigue getting old type symptoms so you think that someone start talking about this being an issue that they're being attacked in every start freaking out yeah that's possible yeah i think pro something happened like some guy heard something in gym go to bed and it stopped and then go back to bed and start again and someone else to have something similar happened that's funny because if you were in cuba and they did be there and you heard weird noises like god damn it they're attacking me with a sound ray and people are being
people are being harassed in cuba like if you work at the american embassy you get harassed who sonic attack against american diplomat suggests russian involvement pom pompom the russians did it twitter bots and you click on the twitter bots they send sound your ear buds but people are saying like linking the cicadas causing the hearing loss but there was actually saying the cicadas are causing people to lose their hearing they just saying that you know people sometimes get reductions in their hearing as they get older and maybe they're noticing it because they're focusing on it so much right that's why happen all these diseases people think i'm sick and then they focus on something like if you feel like you're teaching a bit and you think we've got some kind of weird pathogen and your skin you just going to each more and more you're going to feel more and more itching right so if people weren't really paying attention like i have like mile tonight us like ringing in the years from video games or something i don't know
headphones they said you get there from yeah could be you know ok it has to get older for no reason some people are going to allow concepts or whatever most of the time i don't even think about it i mean my might have never even noticed it but if i stop and listen to my yeah what's going on in my ears i can hear this night is the noise in my ear very very very quietly so if someone said i think we're being bombarded by sonic weapons like can you hear me like ringing in your ear or anything like that and then you go quiet and you listen it is things these things right sense do people are very susceptible psycho semantic illnesses are absolutely very real and there's a thing called sick sick building syndrome which is possibly a real thing and possibly psychogenic thing anything but a lot of people that sick building syndrome a lot of the times when it happens it's like when you lots of people working in
same place get similar symptoms it's happening because of this mass psych going to kill this one person says i feel sick an app one kind of assumes it's something in the environment around them that's causing that and so they kind of feel sick as well does a disease and i had heard of someone's talking about this once called allah frania i believe and that is when people go to visit people who have schizophrenia when they if they hang out with those people they start developing very bizarre behavior of their own and sometimes they have to be monitored that's kinda weird yeah it's not much we all know that some people are way more susceptible to suggestion way more susceptible to hip know if you're been hypnotized now i haven't i have it's fascinating yeah i've i've i feel like i wouldn't be hypnotized
so i think i said that everybody thinks that yeah i thought that too but i did it with a friend my friend vinny shorman did it to me so i trusted him and i just left and he's registered licensed hypnotist and he works with a lot of athletes a lot of fighters in particular and basically just puts you in a very bizarre state of mind but you're aware of it the whole time it's not like you know some manchurian candidate thing where they're going to wake up mic now you're in a sassy for the government run out the door and your underwear like captain underpants do you know captain underpants is to have kids no but i don't know how to get another fencers yeah yes my kids love captain under your friend of mine told me i should try hypnotizing my wife is do what didn't specify exactly he says it's the way he keeps his relationship going is by hypnotizes her like every couple of nights he hypnotizes his wife and just i don't know i don't know what happens is that he didn't really specify he highly recommended hypnotising my wife and wow like i sound like a creep is doing some weird shit to his wife
there's a nice guy but maybe not when he's got that stopwatch stop watch hanging from string these are watch right followed to watch very carefully you're getting sleepy that's real hypnosis i was wondering i was like what is this like this is bullshit but they really does put you in a very unusual state and you get out of it that they were you know you can go through a lot of stuff that you have like maybe cluttering around inside your mind and reorganize after a hypnotic session pretty interesting reason why people use it for like quitting smoking yeah well it's just shows how molly boulder human brain is and you know it goes back to that whole thing with being brain washed by youtube now people make documentary is in a way to hypnotize people they they
structure it in a way that you get these images coming out you in these ideas and this these reinforcement of things in a way that will actually just kind of in bad this idea in your brain without your is really realizing it and then i'll say things like you are being lied too well the thing that me too is that they use oftentimes a hypnotic voice like that eric dube guy who does those flat earth videos he talks in a very hypnotic manner it's like very commonness yeah i think so the nine slash eleven videos you as well you missed this nice woman dictating it yeah they get the buildings could not possibly a fall in the way they did physics proves it it looks like we're going to have eric dube he said he's agreed to do it talk with neil degrasse tyson yes we're going to skype in from thailand or wherever bucky is yeah things in thailand i don't know how yes there with flat earth how do you get there
still in the northern hemisphere i think thailand scoop over there shoot over there and avoid the ice wall but he doesn't believe in dinosaurs either it's got a crazy guy no way you think he doesn't believe in so i don't know if you believe in satellites but i don't think he believes in nuclear bombs have a anti semites as well i think his own and that's a whole kind of it's unfortunate sub culture in the movements of letters yeah type people well because of the conspiracy theory goes back to you know the rothschilds running the world right and so they think is these via this certain sector of the jewish race or actually in control of everything and these are the people who were stopping you from the eric debate is nominee saying this i have no knowledge whether not you're anti semite by don't chicken out pretty easy to verify he's got like a a bunch of videos like explaining his on it my favorite thing is that he's my friend
eddie bravo is kind of buying into some of his shit tortures me to no end but eddie is one of the greatest jujitsu coaches on planet earth it means an amazing jiu jitsu coaching in jujitsu competitor and one of eric debate biggest videos is about how jiu jitsu's bullshit it just shows you it doesn't isn't it about that it's like about wing chung kung fu defeats jujitsu which is by the way not true don't try it unless you're like get bigger and the guy sucks it jujitsu i should get this guys in a room together and they can just fight it out yeah i don't think so they would just talk about conspiracies to the end of time any loves can i would like to talk to eddie we can do that is really interesting screaming screaming might have to go we are plugs here tonight i should kick it is interesting 'cause he knows so much about the mall man is really interested in fuses me i'm like how much time do you have where do you have the time for this is spouting off this
dance physics references like michelson morley and aries failure and things like that and those are the flatterer things yeah the science experiments that supposedly proved yet there wasn't moving that was hilarious to me because uh when i first brought it up to eddie jamie pulled this up send it to me the other day that i first brought up to eddie from like eight years you on the podcast one of the really early podcasts and we still did it in my house on a couch and he's like what's the most ridiculous conspiracy theory hurt when i said flat earth he's like no so people don't believe the earth is flat so he went from that too not only is it one hundred percent convinced that it's flat but he's definitely willing to listen just down the rabbit hole i got so he loves it and it's probably like a lot of it is just from him watching endless youtube it's one hundred percent what it is here it is right here what's the worst conspiracy theory like the worst one flat earth
his people that know now is flat to the young earth that's another bad well known like today people don't believe it yes younger is a big percentage of the christian popular and then i went with young earth there for some fun stranger we're all baked probably with that was that was when he found out about flatter for me and that was started him down the rabbit one thousand episodes ago what episodes are fifty four so that was probably two thousand and ten first year yeah yeah that was even a big on the on the internet ahead of the curve responsible for this whole thing well he and i used to watch ufo things for ever but he got off for ufos he goes in waves right eddie goes in waves like we were both like really into ufos and particular zechariah sitchin that was the big one you know
garage kitchen is i think you talked about almost he's the sumerian text guy he wrote the reason why tenth planet jiu jitsu is named tenth planet jiu jitsu i actually came up with the name and one of the reasons why i came up with the names 'cause we were talking about zachariah sitchin and ideas that this this from another planet we actually came up with the name before pluto had been changed from you know they did decide is a planetoid downgraded it so we decided this jujitsu is coming from another planet like out there the anunnaki live but it was based zachariah sitchin's book the 12th planet and the his book was all about planet nibiru and that the samarian texts were when you when you decide for them correctly they all describe this ancient race that came from this other planet that has its elliptical orbit that comes
between earth and mars and jupiter somewhere somewhere it comes near earth every three thousand six hundred years and that these group of being it's called the anunaki created human beings by coming down here and taking them and taking lower primates and injecting their dna into m and blah blah blah blue we were balls deep into that that was a big one yeah i did not type thing like the ancient aliens it's like something that's really at the far end of the conspiracy spectrum but you still people who are like chemtrail believers who believe it like one of guys you interviewed scott stevens is meteorologists yes yeah he was like into like he believed chemtrails a hundred percent yeah yeah i also believe in aliens and they did eat that type yeah i don't know if you like and why does something this believe in aliens what i'd disbelief is people that are in contact with immigrants i think
the idea you know the fermi paradox right the idea that there's so many planets so many galaxies and so many solar systems that the odds of life being out there so high why we not been contacted that's interesting to me it is entirely possible in my estimation as a more on that we are the most advanced life form in the universe it's entirely possible because exist because we are the most advanced life form on earth right as far as we know as far as like munich aiding things that we've discovered in two thousand and seventeen we are the most advanced it's entirely as for the with the most advanced everywhere so one has to be yes some of us right it could be us yeah people say like you know where the odds you know what are the odds of us the first person in whoever wins a lot great let's but happened to that person so it doesn't mean that it's very unlikely it's not like we run lots of universes and see what happens well is also there's a direct one progression that you could fall like what are the odds of someone inventing the iphone ten
in two thousand and seventeen well i don't know but that's how long it took us what happened that is exactly what happened this is what we could track it we can go back to the iphone one hundred and ten years ago it's real simple yeah people people who use that argument is like what is the probability weird praise like people say what is the probability of three planes falling from two free free buildings falling from two planes hitting them as if they second actually makes any sense shitty argument but they bring him all the time like what are the odds you will get so lucky that you would have three blains free buildings on the same hey now this doesn't make any sense no it doesn't but the love self of say things like that and but again again it's to support confirmation bias so i think that it's entirely possible that we're the only advanced life form the universe or it's entirely possible that they're incredibly advanced life forms that really are interested in us and have a warm quarantined yeah yeah that's
possible to look at our fucking president and we have a wacky president just lies all the time i mean out of his fucking mind i think probably started quarantining has a bit of it earlier than yeah but i mean would you would you would go these people don't know the fuck they're doing we need to figure out if they're going blow each other up and pay close attention them see if they don't poison their water like figure out what they going to do first before we give them new tech i think it would take this people if this things out there probably machines well i think it's look at the advances in ai and stuff is going on now zara many civilizations can really survive sink biological life 'cause it's time yeah because
people talk about lye in terminator in sky at and things like that and the road was taking and islands thing is actually a real problem i think he had the are we you seem like these robots yeah in a pretty crap now but you have to go to the stage where they can do back flips and things mmhm and if it's not too which further along the line like one hundred years we'll have robots that can do everything that humans can do and more absolutely indistinguishable tool from from people and if they choose to be but not just any extinguishable there will be humans plus will be like gods yeah there we do hundreds thousands or millions of times more powerful than humans in terms of their processing power and his hundreds of times more powerful in terms of their strength and that's one hundred years from now yeah we're really close to that yeah
an explosive thing that this this thing in a i now cold her already done because of i was a generative and active networks which is this way of doing ai where robots basically basically teach them selves they have one robot who is judging things and there's a one robot that's creating things and the robot that's creating things teaches the robot that's judging things have to judge on the road with the judging things such as the creating rebel how to create and then they just go back and working on both the old way of doing i was like you would teach a robot do things they need to correct it when you get it wrong and you tweak the algorithm but now you got this robots that are learning things incredibly incredibly rapidly by teaching themselves how to do things and the humans who were running these robots don't actually understand how this actually works you end up with this huge big matrix of numbers which no one can actually decipher but the results come out of it that they've got thing
like now where you you can you can take a scene in a video yeah you can turn night into day or tennis no scene into a summer see yeah because they can the of the robots and that the a i know how to do these things and this is the tip of the iceberg this the so much more coming down the line yeah i i saw something that was incredibly disturbing they said that when robots become sentient like when they have the ability to make up their own decisions and do th for themselves and i'm going to do is improve upon their own design yeah and they'll will be able to have ten one thousand years of human propeller give if he humans were evolving technology a robe or a sensient ai could do ten one thousand years worth of technological advancement in two weeks and that real yeah 'cause computers just run so much faster think about that number two weeks so
so think about how long ago ten thousand years ago was first civilization is probably a little bit optimistic in terms of like actual physical development because they can't make prototypes fast enough to try them out again they don't sleep thank you gone people they will have these little robots then it's going to be fun we move so much faster than we do kill him tonight i am here to resign nice acts some scientists are saying that we should actually not we should put the brakes on this i i a lot of them right yeah yeah it's funny thing it seems like we're like moving towards the edge of the cliff and every it's going hey we should probably hit the brakes soon it's also a lucrative thing for people to do because if you get really good i you can you can sell it right yeah and the army is going to want robot soldiers these these these drones with guns mounted on them thank you much you got like here the kids should i mean we show me janice i'm gonna hit play it's really fast it's sorting right back right tomatoes really quick it'll slow down here a second through to a fast
whoa how can it see the oh my god so it's the green tomatoes and it just knocks him out what the fuck is the computer is essentially seeing what we're seeing now is likely how is it hitting them so perfect so as they are coming down this ramp computers are oh my god that's in real time holy shit dude i just got this computer vision processing and because computers the faster to do this now my god we're fucked it's just going to go faster were so fucked that's scares the out of me more than the back flipping robot imagine a back flip him forever yeah it's really fast yeah well that's what you on must your search will be able to see him there's a strobe light yeah and see how they can be like super acura shooting things it take you out yeah they're not going to have any trigger panic just there will be like robots goddamnit so that's
real that's a real conspiracy put down the chem trails walk away the flat earth and understand that there's sentient robots do you have a background in computers what did you take on that whole thing when google had to shut down these two computers dealing with each other 'cause they started talking in a language that they didn't understand the minister was talking about that with the the generative a doctor networks they didn't have to shut them down but they did get a little freaked out it it it should be shut down because they can do anything with them right it was to to do computer talking to each other in gobbledygook was
interesting they would have kept them and and studied it but do you think that they knew what the computers were saying computers knew what they were saying to each other or no just some kind of loop that they got stuck in it but it wasn't particularly intelligent or anything so much more ominous to say they invented a language they weren't like plotting to take over the world how do you know 'cause we aren't there yet if we could do that they would have already done it the first things computers do is sexually harass each other they send computer dick pics not even look like actually other day like what's the ai gender going to be has anyone decided or is it been talked about maybe that's what's going on with all this crazy push too accept seventy eight different gender pronouns and non binary people and all the stuff that didn't exist in the past maybe where maybe there's like a natural inclination in the hue species to move towards a genderless prototype of the future
we went into this in depth yesterday under the influence obviously we do podcasts were talking about like an alien is the archetype alien with the big head and the very thin body and you know the mouth it's like barely visible that i think that this probably what we see ourselves becoming when we some sort of a symbiotic relationship with technology with technology becomes a part of us when we have the ability to manipulate jeans which is absolutely and then we have this in for his head which i mean look at our heads right it's not very practical in neil degrasse tyson was talking about this reason working all over the place they were talking he was talking to ray kurzweil in a podcast i was listening to great cars while the few service and they were talking about the size of a human head and that hugh the head could only get so big because of the mortality issue with the mother like that if the mother could not give her to the head can only be so big and that
it's also one of the reasons why holding over there still in our they're so big that we have to be born like almost helpless as opposed to like other animals that are born there pretty pretty agile like right out of the box like a deer or a horse or something like that even primates like young primates have very little body found on them and there are much stronger than a young human baby and that the design of the vagina in the head like lee like little room for advancement in the the state that we are now far as it can go but if we move away i was thinking from china's from not not nothing wrong with ladies that's not what i'm say but what i'm saying is move towards some sort of you know of at yeah something we can put together in some sort of a new concoction some sort of a new artificial womb doesn't have any size constraints that you in a big hat well if you don't give a fuck
what you look like the big head would allow you to see the future but you have massive cut like that that's a freaking one that's not really because it is big head that version of the alien or there's the bodybuilder alien from prometheus which seems less likely one eight is that that is just a grounds i think dismissed i think so and now i think i was the big head thing like i don't think you need to grow bigger brains to humans you could probably do a lot better by having some kind of implant right in silicon type thing their little computer running in your brain but what if you had a huge computer like one hundred iphones downtown have bigger brains as well 'cause there's a limited blood supply like your brain is already using like if you use thirty percent so you can have to like oxygen tanks so i have to get back to what if we go away from all that stuff what if they figure some sort of a vision way
i just have a well what is this what are the four is it a put in a lamb out had an artificial womb and survive for a few weeks at least i was throwing up or we will take a few weeks i worked little sort of science fiction now what yeah i'll but i think that's entirely possible for the future and then the idea of human beings moving away from biological bodies we figure out a way to download consciousness which is one occurs wiles things right they figure out a way to get to point where the consciousness is something that can be transferred as a freaky idea there key to me because if someone like kim jong moon we makes a thought little himself you know fucking put all over the world my flight but if like you know if consciousness gets taken out of a and it's it you actually die hello and you just this robot facsimile of you is what continues what do you make to
copies of yourself yeah do you one of skydiver could try out bull riding 'cause if you had a bunch of that someone's consciousness you can copy it imagine so we decided to you just do all reckless shit with one of your body maybe start mma fighting then would you do i download that experience back into your other body yeah i'll just die now you download it you have the other body on steroids and you have the other body like working the olympic training center and turn the other body like a super athlete and the the one that your sky diving and doing backflips with i think they ought vintage brains are going to come along before things like that i think you're right something a i is coming along is like boats jet boats on the internet actually creating content yes and not just like creating like talking things like posts on you shoot a great pictures like this these near these networks are talking about
nasa create videos that look like real videos so i think you're going to get actual content creators which are artificial intelligence what youtube personality is that are actually lost patrol jesus but some of them will be over like you know there's google's new box your posting on the internet going hey everybody i'm google then you get people you'll get a eyes pretending to be real people and then you get these a i pretending to be real people in thousands if not millions of social media accounts to influence people while many talk about life in a ball nets and things with it just like people just posting like reposting memes and things what if you get actually get an artificial intelligence once the country hold a conversation with someone and in artificial intelligence that is actually more intelligent than the person that you're holding it is holding the
conversation with it will be able to manipulate that person and control them and since it's your computer doing you could have thousands or millions of them do all kinds of targeted like social media campaigns well they don't they say that's going on right now yeah but they're not they're not actually like it's not an artificial intelligence having a real conversation with people were on the verge of but they do have artificial bots that will go out and attack people yeah the build up things on those simplistic things that spamming things you can tell there about fairly easily for now yeah but we the stage where you won't be able to tell that it's a book you be someone who would be in a few decades they'll be people will be our spatial intelligence is that will be just as intelligent as you or me and will be able to have the same conversations on social radio that you and i can have on social media right now and people wouldn't be able to tell the difference is this big
test in a i wish the cheering test where the test is someone sits in a room with a typewriter and they talk to the computer in the other room if you can tell it's a computer then it passes the turing test and it's meant to be intelligent and if you can't tell that the computer yet because of the computer yeah so this being very limited successes with that'd be like restricts the topics to just baseball britney spears or something like that they have this very limited to mines i can talk about but if you get a general purpose a i that is actually intelligent again and how goals to change someone's mind about something like politics you could have a real problem well we were talking about duncan and i yesterday were saying think about someone creating an artificial version of him based on from the hundreds of hours of his audio recordings 'cause he had so many podcasts as do i know if somebody wanted to take a podcast like mine thousand episodes and take those thousand
episodes and take my opinions and the way i describe things the way i talk i mean like if you're talking to me in a podcast like this you just talking to me this is what i talk like so and you get a bunch of variables right you get me excited he depressed me shocked me sad me happy you would i have so much to choose from yeah you could kind of material you kind of like fill in the blanks and gas pretty accurately how i would react respond to certain things one of the episodes of black mirror british tv show rachou yeah it was about some woman whose husband died it was a service that set up an a my version of him and it starts out small like someone who were post on so media as him and eventually grew with this don't tell me don't spoiler alert me
watch an episode of the other day it's a good even that one is right and what thank you thank you it's not it was a hot so good i watched one the other day about the video games that they they put that thing on the back your head did you see that one it's in the new new season episode two god damn it's good that's a great show ones come out a couple weeks three weeks good show okay this is the second is not like it so freaked out it is a victory i think she hears too much that for me to you know she's gets freaked out on technology in the future yeah the possibilities yeah like making if joe rogan is something that you know is possum due to easing right sam our time probably do something if they put enough resources in just just your broken yeah they could have something because this type of you know the the genitive productive genitive generative at the serial networks this thing whether to go one judge in one generator will don't have one ai that just tries to make joe rogan's and then they'll have another ai that an expert at detecting the real joe rogan they don't
all this real material to go by and then this will keep feeding things to this and it's a that's not quite right he doesn't say like that he knows his eyes when is computers and wow an eventually it will come up with something that resembles you then it becomes a thing of like how do you know your you and how do you know you're talking to someone else what is robert dick to sitting right here managers rude chris ryan give me a rubber dick sorry i just noticed that it looked over how to calm let's say if say your father died which is one of ray kurzweil's big things his one of his primary motivations is to recreate his father he lost his father when he was young and he believes that through the advent of artificial intelligence and through the data that is called
did the recordings of his father and the images that one day he will literally may be able to communicate with his father again that's real but i do know that someone like duncan save my friend duncan died it's in highly possible six hundred and fifty years they're going to be able to create a version of dunkin in dunkin can come over and say hi dude i'm back hey crazy i was dead and i won't even know i won't know if it's really duncan you gotta watch this episode of black mirror that they don't tell me don't tell me what is it for remember where i found this i think it was an npr this so it might have been on radio lab thing called dad bot the sky made literally a texan he'd used all of his dad's past text messages between himself and and then made a ai bot he could chat with i think his brother can use it to they can just send generic messages ok how you doing and you send something and he would have sent back to me my dad's like shut up faggot
it just has roots shit to do a little pussy you never get amount to nothing oh dad bod that's what your dad was like that he would do that keep you probably tweak it a bit there asking to dial it down everything is coming there is text now and it's not it's not like very good you get to tell it's not real person did you like ex markina the movie never saw it oh yeah i did see it but i've i forget movies very quickly that's an amazing one was it was a plot real quick the plot was there was like some say this one right here yeah yeah what was some which is in the house super scientists and lived in the middle of no where to be flown into him and he had created that guy right there create artificial intelligence and one over the turing test everything in that too is my one of my favorite move my top ten favorite movies of all time it hits close to home and there was so little cut the shit in that movie you know i describe movies based on that cut the shit scenes like
some movies like twat fuck is she caught the shit how the hell that happen there was none of that in that movie to maine that movie to me was like wow like this this all could take place as pay that with these you know there's future robot things there's so much is just trying to make a robot that's just like a human when yeah the robots are not going to be like humans are going to be like silence is going to be you know more than humans by your command what they're doing work not going to look like humans it's not very practical there will be robots that look exactly like humans but that's just one aspect of rights there's going to be all kinds of much more impressive robots well like think of that tomato robot it's not he didn't have to look like a person just has to be functioning at the way it to be for it to be functional as not to look like a person exactly have these multiple fingers i can knock this green tomato so like why build something around the limitations of the human body this is the same guy that is that black mirror episode two wow crazy
do a reboot or sequel to or a i heard they were going to i mean why wait man fucking made it better was a really good movie made a bunch of money it was amazing they better i am worried about that i am worried and i'm also worried by the fact that you know god like elon musk are worried that when someone like that worries and it starts talking about it i'm like well who is paying attention to this i mean how many people are really at the forefront and is it possible to pull that back because i'm aware of what the united states is up to in terms of like what gets to the news obviously not really aware but when you get further than that like china russia like we don't we have no idea what they're doing yeah and they must be doing this type of thing they must be if you don't they will and it's one of those things is something they don't need this huge physical infrastructure like they don't need a big military or anything to do
do you like cyber warfare with ai fuck so they could be developing all this spatial intelligence to do things like infiltrate everybody social media and make them vote for the different guy or yeah or just infiltrate all our power stations and shut them all down that's one of the real problems that i have today with the con tations regarding politics regarding whether or not russia hacked the election is because people are so concerned with painting out there party to be innocent and the other party to guilty and describing all the different things that the russians did in the interference and all of the you know the sub if you just being used that i think we're missing out on this idea that you can electronically affect the way people think of things if you have enough resources to
attack an idea with proper and uh through bots and this is something that you see all the time yeah a lot of the stuff that russia did was posted in closed groups on facebook so it's something that you really wouldn't be able to see happening like if you have to be are the group yeah if you know someone a little traits yeah they they join these groups right and the and they have not not bought system much but like paint workers they have these like sweatshops where all these people are typing away doing all kinds of stuff pushing out these stories and they go into these clothes groups because it's harder for people to figure out what's going on if you're in a closed group and they post all this stuff all these you know whatever anti hillary means or whatever pro donald trump pro bernie one of 'em pushes certain narrative one of 'em where guy got busted because he accidentally had on his location and so that he was in russia and
you know who's some guy with make magga and you know the american flag and his that are in the whole deal yeah it's going to be really how to figure out exactly what happened but it's going to be harder in the future though 'cause people been covering their tracks a lot better they're learning yes what works but it's really hard to figure out what's real and what's not real right now you know remember wag the dog what was that like twenty years ago and that movie they described the possibility of faking these conflicts and having this fake video and having movie directores film everything and it would influence the way people thought about world conf and now we're going to say without technology is a lot more more realistic baking videos you were pretty close there are things we can take audio now and just basically sample audio and create anything person might say yeah that was a radio lab podcast where they did it and it's still a little crude but like most
i mean you go back to the very first oculus rift which was only a few years ago and it was pixelated and clunky lookin but if you look at the htc live now their virtual realities pretty spectacular and you could still tell now it's not real but man the experience so much more immersive yeah i reading a book back in the 90s i think it's less than zero by bret easton ellis this scene in that where they map somebody's face onto it like a points porn actor and at the time i thought that was the most ridiculously stupid thing i've ever heard because it would never possibly work and there's no way of getting that degree of accuracy and now i've got an app in my iphone that actually does it to a reasonable degree where hard sometimes to see what's going on this thing called mug life which is just a toy app where you take a picture of yourself
and instantly light maps is onto a three d face and you can do all these expressions and you can say these things he can it has these like a meme generators and it's it's basically it's that type of thing which i thought was ridiculous speculation like twenty years ago but now it's come to paris well there's an article that i tweeted today about gal gadot who is the woman from wonder woman they've take the an algorithm and they take tape her face onto a porn video so they have her doing porn and it looks just like her you can now a little bit that it's not her but not much it's enough where you like whoa there going to get really good at this and then they'll be able to are you doing anything you be a murderer they can have you outside murdering people and they put that on the news and then by the and they retract it you know they say i'm a quest wasn't really out there just gunning people down it was some
not your neighbors don't trust you anymore you have to move the damage is done you know and that's not support like a lot of the fucking history works the craziness that trump tweets and all the different shit that he tweets but occasionally they get things wrong and they the stories about him like like the cnn russia story where they had a fire those three uh yeah when they after they had those reporters who had made these erroneous connections and had this like a flaw peace they fired them but the story already been written like this is yeah i guess there's a rush to get things out there and we're trying very hard but you gotta be very careful because once some things out there that initial thing of being out there is so much more powerful than any retraction yeah it's really hard to get rejections out because the original thing just goes so much more than the retraction yeah especially if it
crazy by the roy moore thing that's going on right now is the election today there's a thing where they said his signature was fake 'cause the ink on the which was like black on one side and lower on the other side as i said on this must mean fakes because this off the on the right the roy is black in the more more closer i i i was looking to that i did some experiments where i did a signature and then held at an angle and took photos of it and i found out that this type of chromatic aberration from the camera which just does that with ink and it's very easy to do locate and you can show that this was actually what was going on in this image and you can look at other images of the signature from different angles which show that it's all black so this this one image on cnn that shared this blue and black ink and then i figured out that it was just this trick of the camera even though it's been debunked and explained
still spreading the exact same thing around right that's not real and that it be a problem that could swing the election yeah and it is time limited that type of thing like you know it's it's done today after today it doesn't really matter there was also something about him writing something in someone's yearbook yeah that was the the about the it was the same thing was they said that the woman had forged the entry to yearbook but that's not the case what she had done was written the date and the note yes hold the hickory house yes but she didn't didn't ford's the actual words now she is but that's a that's a problem the pro the problem is that he did do it and she didn't say she did it but people want that to be true that it was was right that if you can take something with like slightly problematic like her like not saying that she actually added this annotation afterwards yeah and then you can say that
you know she admitted to it being forged right which is basically a lie it will stick long enough it doesn't really matter that is a lie because you know in the head by the end of the day today it doesn't really matter at all i only had to do was get this story out there you had enough stuff in it you seem vaguely plausible to people who wanted to believe that she felt she fortunate did she forced the date and did she tried to say that that date was was written by him she added a note on the data had the date but he had also written the date above he wrote to a sweeter more darling girl i could never say merry christmas roy moore seventy seven and then underneath she had red hair old hickory one thousand nine hundred and seventy seven and did she try to claim he had written that originally it seemed like she was saying that he'd written the whole thing it
and she she read out the inscription and she said roy moore wrote this in my book blah blah blah blah blah and she read the annotation at the end was the annotation at the end recent yeah at now i think she said she wrote it like afterwards like you after she know that seventy eight percent the same day so hello fuck achieving remember how do you remember what you wrote down from nineteen seventy seven that handwriting is a bit different between them so it was fairly is that it wasn't the same the same handwriting from something that's like her today trying to frame him it seems more like she was just documenting it at the time and forgot if anything it makes it more realistic so if she was in a forge it she would afford to the whole thing but she's talking about something forty years ago i caught that that's this this whole thing of trying to like someone saying this definitely happened forty years ago is to me so bunkers i tried the hell could you and this is
real problem with like the news there you know like one of the al franken users were talking about yesterday claimed that al had grabbed her her waist and squoze her fat and some sort of way when she's talking about something ten years ago like you absolutely remember what happened in this something so inconsequential ten years ago that seems insane to me now you add third years on that and i'm just calling bullshit yeah you can't really remember that level of detail i mean even if you would have to be something really significant but even then you know about so creative memories there peoples memories change overtime yes a lot of people like claim they remember where they were when they heard about the space shuttle blow up the first one yeah that people have done extensive research into that like tracking people stories over like a decade outside and they found that like a sink
percentage of people change their stories ten years later i'm sure asked about where they were so like for something you know like no something like that it's entirely possible that this story could change does mean is false but it's just possible that it could change well it's just there they're conveniently forgetting or ignoring that human memories insanely flawed and malleable and i think part of that is that's why we have statute of limitations because like things like eyewitness testimony essentially degrades but i'm that's one of the things that i'm really hoping is going to be cured with technology hoping we're going to give up our bullshit biological memory for a fat sd card they stick in the back your head just put that sucker in there and click
and you'll have all of your memories entirely accurate like that was a black mirror's mother fuckers are on top of everything they know everything but i really think that that's entirely possible in the future that there's going to be some way we have a neural interface with some sort of recording device it's far more accurate and that will all agree to it while agree to just like photographs like if j he is standing next to you and i say jamie and mick w were in the room together and take a picture it used to be that i could say well that's definite 'cause i have this photo now with photo shop and video editing tools so eva then so what am i talking about 'cause even then your memories are going to create artificial memory fishel intelligence brain and creating memories for you well there wasn't like a total recall wasn't that part of the idea of recall the good put you like fake memories in your brain and have you have fake experiences
is a lot of experiences that i that award gigantic to me like all of my years of martial arts competition if you had asked me to like accurately depict some the most significant memories of my life from like age into twenty one like all is martial arts fights that i had i wouldn't even be able to touch it musk i've like flashes i was starting to forget all the stuff i didn't never software when i was working on sandy hook like interviewed for doing a documentary about the making history of neversoft and tony hawk and i was interviewing me and i'm like kinda remember yeah it's like summer twenty years ago that is that type of thing that i th i would never forget right that because he was such a significant part of my life but it's just kind of dropping away over the years i think that happens a lot with the you know people are looking
back on nine slash eleven yes they're going by their memories of what happened that day and there's a few things that i remember because they're lego some significance to it like i ran for the space shuttle thing because i was over at an ex girlfriend's house and it was one of the few times that we saw each other for we had completely stop seeing each other like we had kind of broken up and then i draw went to her house to visitor and then walla was over house we saw the launch were like holy shit we actually saw the replay of it blowing up and were like whoa like this is fucked say some people let's see the replay and then they remember that of seeing the actual event itself in life and so they think they saw it live so that becomes a memory i'm pretty pretty good at i'm pretty i'm pretty good at going over my memories to make sure that i think you i think
maybe you're not maybe she get back and check some of these memories on tomtom your ex girlfriend and ask her if that really happened we're very clearly where i was when sam kennison died i definitely where i was when nine hundred and eleven happened yeah 'cause i got some calls from friends they woke me up my phone kept ringing and i remember that 'cause i for being in my house i remember turning on tv that's one hundred percent i was driving to work i was on the four hundred and five so i remember that he seems to be very solidly seems there are details around that like i remember i went to i went to taco bell on the way to get some food 'cause i but it might be a long day the projects deny it remember now for gas station where i think i went to taco bell scientific at what happened on nine eleven i remember the day because i spent it with eddie and joey dheas and a couple other friends mind we went to they went to a burrito joint
on sunset in hollywood and that we were just talking about there's no flight because we heard the fight end like look manusia playing this guy said guy's weird it felt weird we felt like we're stuck in california or is like the freedom of air travel it's something that if you don't fly a lot you don't think about but if you if you really do if it they pull it away and if there's no more air travel like what we're stuck here to drive colorado to that sixteen hours this but you don't think about it going back in time anyway yes different time yeah i will lease of cars to take the train yeah so is there anything else that we might disagree on am i may disagree on and that what's a i think we i think we agree the flat earth stuff uh no you think the earth is round right what about what about delong matt delong
the guy who from blink one hundred and eighty two tom tom tom delong he's out of his fucking mind poor bastard yeah he's he's got some weird shit going on and since that podcast a bunch of people have pointed out to me that she is essentially how their day of selling stock in a calm yes yeah the sun is stuck in a so he gets a guaranteed payout yeah of like i think one hundred thousand dollars a year or something like that well whatever it got us of how much money they take you know what they make if you get enough rubes to donating money to this i mean keep saying stay tuned things are going to happen i said there's gonna be some videos released yet when do you say that nearly a month ago now dude when he was on the podcast he played some videos for us that were like absolutely ufos and i almost pissed my pants laughing there was how bad it was so
so bad one of them was so fucking bad i was like dude if that was in a movie i would want my money back i'll be angry so like you see a crazy guy or is he like a smart guy who's making money i do money no i think you must you must like this see you in my loved he loves so as it stay playing and making money yeah but the conversate i look there's two ways to approach this and i tried to be i tried to be respectful because i'm the post and he agreed to come here and he wanted to talk about this so i try to be respectful and let this guy talk what he was saying to me was so ridiculous i was like i don't even have to challenge him on this 'cause so obviously ridiculous every is going to see that it's ridiculous i was wrong there was a to people that listen to that podcast that i saw on twitter that thought what he was saying was mind blowing and this is real those are the people that are going to donate exactly right
was there a problem with that is there a problem with the catholic church because they're full of too right yeah you know i'm saying i mean going to church is essentially a moneymaking franchise and they don't have to pay taxes at least he has to pay taxes and is there is there a problem with conning rubes out of money there's lots of like kickstarters for technology things that you could never actually works like this these like clear at holograms they say you've got to play video games on the table in front of you yeah go sign means for people that don't have illnesses that yeah yeah there's like one with that a a water bottle that would magically take water out of the i saw that one yeah but it won't actually work it would take like three days to fill the bottle if you were in a rainforest
they would require like a solar panel is like i saw that one i was sorry to bring bring around water but they raised two million dollars and what do they have to do with that money they allowed to keep it they can keep it if they went to the kickstarter i think it's kickstarter has this like open thing where developing a prototype so it doesn't actually have to work wow so what happens with that so those people is this is this is this yeah still going on i think kind of like that's indiegogo though that i've been on a couple of different platforms one of them is more more relaxed than the other in terms of where it will align with my one of the now you could add a working prototype the cell filling water bottle here this is both a couple of weeks ago created it a lot of these there like eastern european like scientist types who do things like this so they made it look like this dude just driving around and then this bottle bottle type stuff pull it out of air and then he
pull it out of the tube and wow look i've got water all the sudden it can't possibly work it it uses a real technology these little electrical things actually cool things down and condemn things and it will actually condense a little bit hardly anything so take a long time for that to fill was basically a de humidifier but if you have like no like a de humidifier by the also have the humidifier because california's drop dead here have de humidifier it will eventually fill up the container where are the d humidifier but this thing powered by plugging it into the wall and it's this big machine and it still takes all day to fill up the reservoir so they're saying like a little water bottle this size with a little solar panel and this little condensing thing this big will fill it up in a few hours well maybe it right that physically impossible physical face technology
swapping thing like twenty years ago was impossible but twenty years from now it will be playing the long game with the water bottle you can improve computers but you can't really improve the laws of physics you can only get so much water out parcel parcel over so they would have to have some sort of better mechanism for extracting it then what they're doing yeah yeah there's i mean there's certainly a lot of scams out there i don't know if that's what he's doing when i talk to people that knew him from a long time ago he's been obsessed with ufos forever so is obsession seems to be legitimate however when i was talking to him about all the events and i was like tell me what happened you got a guy con to do well i can't say who i can't say i can't say what it was i can tell you that we can't get into that that's all volts when someone starts talking like that the full of shit he he not only seemed to be a combination of deceptive and delusional the slides that he used in the talk to illustrate there was like a a an event of some us
buzzing aircraft carrier and some fighter jets were going after it and they couldn't find it and they put up some slides on the screen there which looked like a shiny silver penis flying around and it's actually something that type thing we do a metabank identify objects like that so we figured out what this was and it's actually a number one numerical helium balloon like the digit one oh wow like someone said like it from a party and i found like a bunch of other shots of the same thing where you can see it rotating you can see is fairly clear it's this number one but is on this this this conspiracy website they thought it was a ufo so he got it off that and so this is a ufo took the image kind of degraded a bit he was it was it was quite track it down 'cause it messed with it so much it was actually just this helium balloon that was a white shiny what's this bring to me is that he's got this business that you know claims to be some
sort of aerospace business and he's involved in it with all these other people that's weird 'cause the guy who is running that can't members name fortune or something like that is like a real guy who worked at lockheed martin or somewhere skunk works maybe start doing adderall all okay crazy but in the what he's talking about it makes no sense whatsoever he says on mission is to take what the science division gives those and will turn that science into flying craft right but the size division does it doesn't really exist right they've got like a guy who's like one guy he was interested in like shooting things with lasers to make them go fast yeah that was one of the weird things start going to real technology you can use a laser to power power kraft that's not what they're talking about talking about some kind of crap the warps the very nature of time and space itself and kind of like right it's a wave of the world a wormhole or something like that yeah and this guy thinks that it's plausable and
only have to do is kind of like try really really hard if they'll put their heads together in this scientists all will this science a lot and then these builder do they really good building based on these really good science they're going to get then they'll get this flying craft yeah based nonsense that is going to happen having people donated some something two million dollars or so goofy how many people have done that do you find that out two thousand and two two one thousand and ninety two people have donated two million dollars the average that seems wrong the numbers have changed frequently well the numbers seem really high in terms of the amount of donations like it's very they're going to get two thousand people to donate one thousand dollars each that doesn't seem right it could be a few very large dentist they somehow convents to donate via this there are a lot of really fucking crazy old people
they might have a ton of money what i mean is that red line meant to rep that kind of ufos bro they're flying right about all right to the stars academy of arts and science that's what kills me what kind of arts we doing fingerprint i was checking those numbers for a while never going up on proportionately if that's the correct word said from each other but it does a number was going up all the number to the dollar number with sort of staying the same so maybe i was calling these people if you double your off getting a lot of smoke and get you on the first ship submitted two hundred i think really yeah it's not a small small print and down there yeah so some large donations it's amazing now two hundred at a large donated two million dollars to this wacky company yeah and all the all the company is required to do is paid along one hundred thousand dollars a year for the next seven years or something
and that's it really crazy thing crazy thing too was that he had been contacted by the government because they knew that he could go on shows like mine and talk about this then he would have a platform because his rock star was like what this is like some why didn't they didn't stop him yeah this is like some bad movie shit like this narrative is like a bad movie people like say like they don't talk to me on the phone because they're afraid of the government tracking them down and assassinating them or whatever but it's like i'm talking to you on facebook well yeah if i really was like this agents of the governor and it wouldn't be very hard to just say get rid of this guy that's a big one they like to pull on you because you debunk things you're an agent of the government yeah and it's really hard one to get around i think that my approach there is just to be as honest as possible all the time
so i'll tell me exactly who i am right now i made lots of money doing the tony hawk video games i'm just like british video game programmer basic give my life story yeah they don't buy it they aren't tying it pal they don't but yeah i think some of them it helps telling them about about tony hawk yeah there's a lot of them fans that's funny actually well it's it's those things where if you don't want to believe you're not going to you're going to like that's a likely cover story for a guy and then then they'll go super deep fuhrman is infiltrated video games in order to keep kids stupid they've did created these games in order to mess with the kids minds and one reaction i get quite a bit is the i am stupid that you're still a lot of people will say that i am really stupid there's other people like who are in like you know the architects and engineers for nine hundred and eleven truth type thing who think that i'm really stupid in down to understand physics at all and so they say that that
not a government agent i'm just this really stupid who doesn't understand what actually happened nine hundred and eleven useful idiot right yeah and not just a new useful idiot in that sense but a person who is just mistaken right they just so then can dismiss my videos by laughing at them right i do lots of little videos where i do things like demonstrate how something buckles like a column buckling when you put a load on it a good book or things like that just just physic videos and then they just say you're an idiot we don't need to look at this video way of getting around the problem of the people say that i'm so smart about controls and things like that but i must be a government agent because i know so much about contrails so i get both sides of and whether brady small ought government agent or i'm just a stupid a useful idiot well it's just that i'm looking at you and trying to find someone to dismiss what you're saying but
do you really get a kick out of debunking shit i do span i like doing that the backyard science stuff there was a thing we recently where scientists were saying that the bits falling off the world trade center were leaving trails that must be from the rocket motors that are pushing them away from the world trade center so i said now it's probably just some dust on it and then i wouldn't do that he wouldn't leave a long trail so i got a big sledgehammer and i piled some ashy diet from my fireplace and then i stood on top of a wall and i was throwing this sledgehammer with a big trail of dust coming from it for like half an hour video myself doing it until i got some some representative videos of it it's just fun to do it is kind of you know one of the ones that kept coming up that i thought was the it's ridiculous about the flat earth was uh i'd read this a couple places where people were talking about ships disappearing on the horizon and then the ship disappear
but if you pull out if you zoom in zoom and you can still see the ship and i was like wow how come you can't see mount everest mother fucker why can't you look too is japan where is mount kilimanjaro get up how come you can see the moon you can see the moon if you get a good telescope you can see the moon really clearly take that telescope don't point at the moon pointer cross the ocean where's the mountains wow that yeah that's the kind of advanced person you know i was talking about how architects and engineers for nine and have to do this ray advanced thing now because you would debunk the basic stuff there and if it is a band stuff same thing with the flood of people now they can you demonstrate now things actually do go over the horizon and rent a zoo get obscured by the horizon and how the sunsets and things like that and so they come up with this complicated explanation where there's this kind of giant refractive lens of atmosphere above the earth which
bending all the light from the sun in such a way that the earth appears to be round even though he's actually flat there's going to be a question like how do we actually know it's round if it looks how do they know it's flat if it looks round so they got like things are disappearing over the horizon as if it looks round becaus of this refraction thing but they think it's flat but if it looks round wire their thinking is flat well the thing that killed me was that you could zoom in on it and that proved that that it wasn't actually disappearing over the horizon i know a little bit about optics because of my fascination with the outdoors i have a bunch of binoculars spotting scope some various power and there's things just cannot see but then you get a in spotting scope on him so with that
naked i like there's things you can't see with the naked eye you would swear they do not exist there not there but then you get it great spotting scope on them and you can see it miles away and the this thing was ships you get a large ship it goes far away you can't see it anymore and you will be convinced that it's disappeared over the horizon when in fact it's only probably a couple inches lower on the rise and as far as like the curve of the earth but if to the naked eye it's invisible yeah so when they zoom in on it they're convinced that aha there is no kerr for the earth see this looked like it went over the horizon but it's an optical illusion and the thing is they've been here in this so many times this actually happens there's so many videos now on youtube that actually demonstrate this thing like this time lapses of ship going over the horizon like zoomed in all the way with the p9 cameras which do like eighty three times zoom but because you can go yeah it's being demonstrated
ignore it only say it so they made up the ignore it because it's not in their same youtube q you know if you look at the in the flatters video all the queue to the right is like flat earth expose this some of those get hundreds of thousands of use this is one guy dr zach whose where he's like a foreign guy who does the russians yeah a he does these these flat earth videos and they're all my medicale showing things in autocad drawing lines and stuff and it gets like four hundred thousand views it's amazing it's bizarre well it's just amazing that so many people get get into yes and they buy into it do you see that one with that young man took a ruler spirit level an airplane is flying around in airplane it was convinced darryl martin the guys name he lives in a van down yeah it has a bunch of videos on van life is a cool guy is a very nice guy but he's got this weird idea about the flat earth so i've had a few like youtube battles with him
oh bad where he puts up something about how the the moon is cooling things and he has this thermometer thing was showing that the moon is actually making things cold then i put up a video explaining why you know it's just a reflection because he's infrared them just don't work that way and then he puts another thing like debug this mick w now the weird thing is that they see all these other planets is round but they decide that the earth is flat that it's some sort of yeah the thing is the difference yes earth lantis i just like these tiny little bowls that are like two miles wide or something and they think the earth is really close to the sun yeah i think is about four thousand miles away with some of them think it's only four miles away
all you fucking idiots but they they think the distance to the sun varies depending on the observer the dependence but where you are yes it's only four miles away imagine if as if you drive away it just gets super small like what the yeah i mean it makes no sense it's so ridiculous but it's just to me it's such a strange thing to concentrate on that this is like their their identity is wholly invested in improving this th going to be some sort of a massive conspiracy if eh very very very strange it you love it they love you have a tale you love the docking that's the thing it's like it's it's a rabbit hole for the bankers yeah the fly you just get sucked into it it's one of the best ones because it's so silly it is there's no and then here's the thing that people send me the people like i don't know if they're troll in maine or if they're serious they'll send me a picture of a glacier now go there's your fucking your ice wall
yeah they show you the ross ice shelf or something like that like an actual ice shelf in antarctica you can look at the picture and see what it actually when they think this is a government the government is like guarding the the ice wall all around so you can get near it take pictures of it yeah the the thing on the list of the southern hemisphere is a huge problem for the for the flood of those yeah because you can you can have light some of standing on like the south of south america yes i want in australia and they both looking s which on a disk would be away right looking completely different directions and they both actually yeah because the belly close to each other really the looking at the same stars in the sky yeah and is this even let the ready complicated explanations for the flight to don't explain that sets like one of the the heart irrefutable proofs of a round earth well they also have shown constantly keep changing their story based on what gets debunked like the big one and that dube was saying forever every photograph of earth
drums bass is a composite well that's not true they have full scale full ridge high resolution photographs from the himawari eight yeah those are fake then they decided those are fake so first it was their composite there was some composites from lower side lights and then blue marble thing with how that got started as the famous issue the famous image of the blue marble which is an ass a very high resolution image that they did back in like the 90s prom composites 'cause they wanted get something which had all of the land mass without any clouds on so that it loads and loads of pictures and just take the bits it had no clouds on and then stick them all together and then they created this thing and then they did a separate one that had just the clouds and then they could put them together and move them around so how many different satellites are taking full earth images probably around thirty or forty
how many of those are run by government shills they're all run by governments actually know that all run by goodwill himawari eight is the japanese one as a russian one which is about the same especially to russian ones there's european one meteosat the american high resolution one just went up a few months ago it's offline because they're moving it from one side of the united states to the other damn they moving it how long does that take a few days jesus now yeah other folks they do that little little jets yeah yeah you've seen gravity yeah that's how things move around in a cup and things moving up the direct and then suddenly them the anchor in that spot that is something that confuses people is how do rockets work in space they think they
because there's no atmosphere in space there's nothing to push against right so how does a rocket actually work in space how does it it's action and reaction if you throw something in this direction will move in the opposite direction i say if you sit in your chair take a big bowling ball or something throws in that direction really fast you'll move back of it right so if you get like a man and a hose and you pointed in that direction and you're standing on ice or something you moving i was a direction doesn't matter it does that you throw something that way it has to be a reaction in the opposite direction ok that makes sense alot of those guys don't even believe in satellites yeah they don't because how could they they think that they think that those are bounced off the ionosphere and there's no satellite yeah but you can you can see the satellites you can see him you can see the citation yeah you can see
fly overhead and i get emails whenever is going to fly overhead i go out and have a look and you can see i've taken pictures of it you can see the solar panels in the photographs that i've taken wow and it always appear exactly where necessary it's going to appear everywhere in the world that's the problem with they don't believe in satellites is that how are we tracking the weather then how do we know it back when the hurricanes coming in weather balloons miss yeah it's a it's the with my concern about all this in particular like the flatter stuff is young kids wasting their time on stupid shit when the world is filled with massive real mysteries an incredibly fascinating things that you should be diving in and learning about i think there's a great opportunity for teaching kids with things like flatter yeah 'cause you can do real experiments to determine that the earth is not fly
also maybe even more importantly teaching them about traps thinking trap yes mine can allow you do down you can taste it has anti bunk yeah say that this guy is saying that ships should reappear when we zoom in how do we test this right and then they can go out and test yeah which boat down that's i was that one was so stunningly stupid to me and then i don't want to go into the flat earth anymore but it's the thinking behind it that's the problem the thinking that every single airline pilot everyone involved in commercial shipping everyone involved in aerospace everyone who makes satellites all those people are lying every cartographer everyone all the map makers they're all full of shit everyone is agreed to not tell everyone else about the ice wall if the
it was flat and there was a nice wall scientist would detail it and they would explain why the earth was flat and they would show you a working model of the earth being flat and that's what they would teach in school there would be no there's no benefit whatsoever to disk by being the earth in a shape that doesn't exist in and it will be obvious that the earth was flat because you've got to do really simple test yourself you would see boats not going over the horizon just so disturbing you would see the sun get smaller as it gets further away the sun stays exactly the same size throughout the day sunrise noon sunset bleed out of the same size who does the same thing why does the moon look so much bigger though and it's on the horizon without article of optical illusion what is it is a prospect the issue here is like just the way your brain works if you take photographs of it like on the horizon and then another photograph of it when it's right up there and compare them side by side zip at the same zoom
settings is exactly the same that's interesting because it really does look larger when it gets lower is purely psychological the harvest moon right yeah what is the whole this man not the big red moon or something as the blood moon it's the eclipse had the beaver men to leave him alone for a minute so you would take on a number to be remote into this the supermoon which is when the the moon is just very close to you what is a supermoon how much closer is a superman it's not much closer really the eight i seek any gets about eight percent bigger than its smallest is actually very hard to see that it's actually an advocate because i buy side that's a lot though so yeah you see these new stories about super moon go look at the super moon tonight when it's not that much difference oh wow that looks a little bit different
but that's the very smallest moon and the very largest moved most of the time it's going to be somewhere in between that so you're not really going to notice the difference alright anything else we should do cover we wrap this up yeah unless i have to write lists because my memory is so bad now i can't i've off loaded everything you're a standard so you going to mail to memorize all this stuff so not only that i have to memorize fights to have you have see information in my head and i have comedy information my head but if you ask me to do my act that i did last year red light that i film for my netflix special i would be able to do it yeah looking i listen we've kind of covers of me a message the things that are on here we could go over some like nine hundred and eleven crap if you wanted to but i'm tired of it that's the thing about it this stage of my life it seems when there's so many incredible things to pay attention to that a real
what i feel like about all this stuff about people this conspiracies that they're just nonsense it's like your chase they're chasing their tail they're trying to confirm something where there's so much evidence that it's not real that it just really bothers me it drives me nuts and i just don't understand it and i don't i just i wish that it wasn't a problem i wish it wasn't an issue and now and it is and it's one of the reasons why i continue to talk about these things and i really want to shine's much light on them as possible is that there's is a real pattern that you could fall into and you can waste a tremendous amount of time in your life if you start looking at things incorrectly and flat earth to me is the best example of it it's best example 'cause it's so stupid i mean it's so so utterly preposterous that everyone is lying and then there are no images at all of this flatter but yet this one guy or a couple guys and i had heard that
to start it all out as a as a troll on four chan's they had started doing this like way back in you know like it could have been but the flood i think goes back to the 1800s but that people would like reignited it yeah there we just using that as shitposting we talked about last time shitposting people have always believed in the flat earth yeah right let's wrap it up request so metabank dot com if anybody wants to go the whole dot org my upcoming book escaping the rabbit hole when is that coming out next september but have you finished it three died nearly done yes yes okay excellent all right make west everybody move back tomorrow with ufc heavyweight champion steep ameo chick thank you everybody for tune in to the pod fast n thank you to our sponsors thanks to stamps dot com go to stamps dot com and click on the microphone at the top of the home page and type in jre and they will hook you up with a four week trial plus postage and it did
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