Henry Rollins is a musician, actor, writer, television and radio host. He has a special debuting on Showtime called "Keep Talking, Pal" on August 10.
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he occasionally acts he's an author. He does spoken word performances and has a Showtime special out Friday August tenth called keep talking pal. It's always a pleasure to talk to him, I'm a huge fan of him. The person I just really enjoy sitting down mountain getting to hear his thoughts. So please give it up for Henry Rollins the Joe Rogan experience trying my day, Joe Rogan podcast by night all day that are now being here with you, I'm better now that you're here we were just talk, in about a show that you got you and TED Nugent. Apparently someone someone you pitch it, who pitched the show. It was an idea that my manager, Heidi and I came up with well mostly heidi- is like it is called. Basically, Henry and you put me and someone I might have some disagreements with or
few agreements with and we just go somewhere and we weigh in with a camera following us and we're thinking. Like a six part, miniseries like me and plus six interesting people, One of the names that came up was TED Nugent, because I I'm a fan. This music, I think, is one of the best guitar players. I've ever seen it yet he and I would probably disagree on one or a few topics, and so we actually picks pitched it to TED said he loved the idea, but he said I got to go on I'm busy with he had a ton of toward its, I think he's on now, but he said I want to talk to Henry to thank him for thinking of me. Okay and so TED call I got my phone in the office. I guess he got my number from the powers that be and suddenly it's it's TED on my phone, I'm at my desk like okay. This is surreal and we talk for a few minutes.
And he said you think I'm a bad guy, uh just to some of the things you say I just like it kind of takes my breath away, and then we quickly got on the topic of music. He said you like all that old Detroit music. I go yeah man, I mean you Mitch Ryder. The stooges I mean it's kind of the best, some of the best. Music. I've ever heard I mean, as So I asked my go. What is it is something in the water? What is it with you Michigan guys in guitar tone like no one get stone like you, Wrong Ashton, Stooges, Fred, Sonic, Smith, MC five ugly, you guys, I mean you're so good, and he said you we got to hang out sometime and we'll just talk about music. I want I'll. Do that with you so I'll be Macon notes, and he was just telling me. You know yeah used to hang out at the Mc5 house and go see the stooges I'm like you're, killing me 'cause. This is like
that would have been Heaven for me to see those bands like back in ninety in sixty nine or whatever did you. When did you know him? Did you know him the day originally as a punter. I would go see him like in high school in the 1870s Neil Deal Carter, administration. I'd go see him at play. In my local arena in Washington DC in a place called the capital center in Largo MD, and he was as good as rock and roll gets. I mean it was saw the the double live, gonzo lineup and like Forget it is like two one slash two hours of just getting beat up by music. It was fantastic and to this day it's still a high water mark. As far as gigs in the 90s. I met him on politically incorrect bill. Maher hey man, I'm at big fan, and he gave me a boat
team catalog MIKE well thanks. You know for his Wack master right. You know he get the croquet mallet and the and the anyway I kept it until the fan, and then I met him years later When I did this radio show like Saint Patrick's day, one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven to Crashley promote my next record and I said, many years ago, and we got to talking for like a couple of hours. It was just about music and I played him some of my new record, which you really liked any beat, in the commercial breaks, he was like playing riffs for me, we had little headphone app and he was sitting across from me on a stool playing and I'm like this is pretty cool and so that's the kind of relationship I have with him right. Yeah. You read some of the things he says you like. Okay, that's really hard to take n, but those records if they're just so good to me, and I saw him play in two thousand opening for kiss two.
This is one somewhere in there and he was great great that own the playing just fantastic. So he's just an interesting bunch of guys. Bunch of guys you need 'cause like he can finish your sentence, he's not he's not he's not stupid, he's hilarious. He is a steel trap Marie, but then he'll just say that you don't the Obamas a sub human mongrel like man, you don't need to talk like that right, because there's people you will inspire to punch some black guy in the parking lot. For no reason like something bad could happen. If you talk like that to the millions of people who love you like, someone will get that messaging will go s with it and when you're in that position, I don't believe self censorship, but I think you should be careful of what you say. I think there's some merit in so I don't completely understand the guy. This
and outrageousness that's what it is and you cash in by being the guy that says things you camp. I can't believe what he just said, and then you become the guy that goes places that says things that no one can believe that you're saying you know. I know that there's some people, that's how they get their next book deal or whatever for myself. I would not I want to trade in that 'cause my reality coming up to punk rock, All of that is very, very immediate in that I do. Say anything about anybody without expecting them to hear it and with me Turning the next corner like going to my car in your parking lot and having that person waiting for me at the car, saying hey, you said this and having the meal to hold it up on on a tablet and Sarah, and so I watch what I say 'cause in my mind. I answer I will have to answer to all of it.
And so I would never say something where someone going really well today is the day we're going to see who can kick his ass because you know I have this wrong idea that that can't be beat. Are you kidding? Anyone could not talk. Are you think you're tough? There's always you know, you're in the business of tough guys, there's always a tougher guy around the corner temperature, but more than that, it's like you, don't most the conflict that you get in when you talking shit about somebody like. Something like you or I can do an interview and talk shit about someone and go public and you don't think twice about it, but now it extends the soul. Median pretty much. Anybody could do it at anytime and it just seems so easy to do. But- I always try to think. If that person was in front of me how I treated and if I would, if I would say, fuck this guy like when he's in front of me, then I have a real problem with this person is a real bad, but I would always wait until well. I was in front of that person and I have waited I've bided, my time with people I don't like, and you get into a conversation,
I said you know very calmly, I think you're ridiculous person. A standing, walking talking billboard for cowardice, Some people need to hear that too, because sometimes people don't hear that they don't hear that I'm not trying to help the believe me, but I I waited yeah, Until I was there, the only people rip on through Congress, I think, is just inactive waste of food that'll, say anywhere. It'll it'll bring him to me, so I can say it to his or her face. But for the most part, the way I was brought up in the world of music and the street is is, if you say something that guy will The lining you up for a broken jaw, so you better mean it, but maybe just waiting till you guys are in a room and see what you really want to say. 'cause sniping from
a windowless room from somewhere or being a keyboard activist. That's not that doesn't mean much to me. Yeah, I think TED is the spokesperson for the right, in that he This contrast in so many ways is a wild and it used to be long. Hair is a long here anymore, but long haired, guitar, player from michigan- and I mean he's TED Nugent- should be this. He should be a dry drug user or something right. It should be on tour all the time, but he's the opposite. It was like, doesn't do any drugs doesn't drink any super right wing and he supports the second amendment and guns and he he is in this group of any has some very strong beliefs that he really does hold in that group, but then comes the outrageous stuff that he says and you would get a mischaracterization of because of some of the things he says, but if you meet him like in person person a person he's a great guy yeah, I talked to him
Tom. That's only been my experience was a great guy. Is I've had really cool conversations with him now and I'm with the hyper fan of the records. I mean it's gospel to me that those records are in my dna yeah. I don't I'm with you in that. I don't know what fuels those and I just don't get it eight months. You know I'm not here to rip on them. I just honestly do not. I can't reconcile the conversations I had re super friendly happy that you're a fan of the guy and and then you you some things he says you know on some states somewhere you're like wow. That's that's a bomb that my whole evening, like that's like yeah, okay, but that's you at the first amendment. Go, do your thing but like wow, that's this currency in that. So I really think that that getting that charge out of saying outrageous thing it. It keeps the ball rolling. In some way. I saw the ball. I wanna role, though I don't know just, doesn't seem sustainable. Now it speaking sustainable. Are you ever Showtime special coming out
tomorrow, night wow? That was a great segue's, pretty good? I was. I should be on radio dude. I should get create a real radio show yeah yeah, just like TED. I said why Showtime special tomorrow Friday. What's tomorrow. The alleged attempt attempt sorry, Friday August tenth, one thousand Pm East Coast West Coast Showtime. It's called keep talking pal and so is ten seconds on that they said what are you going to name it and I said, keep talking politics. What does that mean This is how you talk to yourself in and out of trouble like you're, about to get punched out like keep talking. Pal you know if you don't get a laugh you're not getting out of this bar and that's kind of how I came into talking shows was being as a young guy skinny Ritalin, not a good fighter, a good fighter at all? You know just not into it, and
now the local bully. I said something snarky are funny and all of a sudden he's got me by the scruff of my shirt with a fist in my face and the only I mean you could do is like imitate him so much that everyone else laughs and like he has to drop because he's now drop drop your collar, not your body, because you're now making him laugh and so when in doubt keep talking pal and the fact that I have a quote comedy special on Showtime is so unlikely from some drive from the minimum wage working world. I don't believe it myself, and so they said what are you going to call at night alot of these, you know people they have a lot of confidence, I'm going to call it destruction in my mighty Wang take this is I don't have any of that. So I keep talking pal 'cause. I know I'm really not supposed to be there. So how did you do? Your first show like what made do? Your first talking show five dollars. Nineteen.
Eighty three, a little island Hutson right office like about ten paces north of Santa Monica Boulevard circle it to the dead ends on the Senate. Wanted a bowl of art is an art space. There called the Lhasa Club, and there was a The local promoter in town, amazing guy and he would get like twenty five people stage in one night. Everyone gets five minutes and b the singer of that bad. The drummer of that band, that artist that poet, like real artists who speak for a living and then the guy with the Funny tour journal or the hi from the band that we all like and he's going to be an idiot for five minutes, and this was a really fun because it is, people are off stage all night long like running off stage and the Bass player black flag truck to cascade fit fan tastic intellect he would get invited onto these bills. I would go with him 'cause we beach guys. We lived in the sticks and the gigs are in Hollywood, so will go into the big. Smoke will go, see the big city I go with him 'cause he The band Van he'd go into town I'd tag along
readout of some notebook, his apocalyptic rantings, an one night, the promoters said you got a big mouth next week. You five minutes or would have seven minutes five bucks. All I could think of was the five bucks like what like it goes, we're starving, yeah, any band was, and so the next show got on stage. It Losa told the Stew sorry about what happen to band practice. The day before, where a white supremist in a car tried to run over our guitar player 'cause, we had brown skinned people at our band practice, and so he yell, The queues are guitar player of being a beep lover and tried to run him over on his way to liquor store to get some orange juice, so our guitar player back a little shaken nearly got run over by a NEO Nazi and let's go back to practice and sofa. First, this is Tuesday in the life of black flag for an audience like you hear, Jaws hit the ground, and then I read something I'd written. I go well
my five minutes are up or whatever it was. I left the stage and it felt right. I felt like a fish dropped in the water for the first time. I hey I'm a fish like I did have a band, but I had no stage fright and miss me and a microphone it felt. Sure the music ever felt, which was cool to do, but never felt natural. This felt like is it this thing. Is it me? It's got to come out, I'm serving of a monster where were the talking shows like yeah. This is me and after the show people came up, I said, would reject, show as well. I'm leave not really. No, no. When you're just talking, I said: well, no, that's a one off. I got this five dollars bill, I'm outta here and so the age of the promoter. Guy said: ok, you're, very good at that, your natural. So how about this? I promote all these different poets and performance artists. I'll get you I'll give you twenty dollars! You'll! Do twenty minutes opening for this guy? Ok, so I did
yeah did twenty minutes and then, after a handful of those shows, those poet types were opening for me because the black flag aspect, it's in, like residue from black flag people, show up- and I guess I was good enough- and so those poets weren't that happy like I mow opening for this guy. Ok, an that was eighty three. Turning into eighty four by eighty five, I had gone to Europe for some poetry festival, which I kind of blacked onto in HOLLAND. I had done a cross country tour twelve to fifty people a night sleep on the promoters ouch go by Amtrak and started my little book company three, eighty four to this day. That's all and it went from school, and now it's a fourteen month that takes in countries multiple nights in cities at nice. Theaters. Do you only use yourself for your publishing company or you publish anybody, elses books, we used to you,
many years ago. People I knew who I thought were great writers. I put them out. We licensed Nick Cave's books from him, publishers in Europe. We licensed a few different titles. We did photo books and a couple of novel short story collections and it's very hard to have. A book company is hard to sell a book in the world unless it's like Stephen King or Danielle Steele X, mega, you know at the at the cash register at the airport, store if you're selling, poetry, books, different kinds of literature. You are nothing but uphill. My books did okay, they still they always do. Okay one else's books is like trying to sell dead guts. You know what I mean like don't know, owns that interested the look, but they don't want to take it home, and so we stopped signing new writers sold through the press fronts. Let the licenses run out. Everyone got to keep their masters and then we just constant right it on me 'cause.
I keep the whole staff busy with all the stuff I've got going and so we publish, but we publish me and I've done a bunch of books how many books are in about twenty seven holy shit. I got nothing else going on all the two of them we I want to do a photo book a few years ago and Heidi who runs all my company she's, the smart one. So I showed her manuscript. She goes. The book is great, but not do it on our company 'cause. It's a lot of start up money for a photo book. It's just a lot of setup cost. Let's get you a literary agent and do it somewhere else and so smart. Dear, and so we got a literary agent and we did get a book deal with a very good Chicago. It's a Chicago company, Chicago Review, I'm forgetting and they put out the photo book, and that was a learning experience like working with an editor like here's. The cover they were going to have a meeting about that, I'm, like you, have a meeting it's my book. It's my book cover, so I'm used to
right owning. My own machine, but when you work with people's money. Everyone has a big opinion so that that book came out and did continues to do very well, in many years ago I did a kind of a best Ovh. I have any best of material. I did a best of for rent the main house many many years ago that you still see it it it's in print and that's a lot of people's first book of mine because it's in stores we pulled my company's books out of circulation because Amazon 'cause. They can actually sell it cheaper than we can 'cause, they don't mind, making five cents on a book. 'cause they're selling, eighty billion books a second, so we pulled ourselves at a distribution. And now it's very much the website in at live shows and we have less returns, get a get of pallet books coming back that, were, you know, abused in some book store in a shopping mall in the midwest like heavily thumbed, but never taken home.
So you can't buy your books off Amazon lists a third party seller right and it would never be us on your own yep and you might not sell as many, but you don't get one thousand one hundred returns. You got one thousand one hundred well, you know well we're selling everyone else is books to get like a pallet of like books. It looked like a dog, chew them or like remainder stickers. It is what it is, and so I am straw nearly small of fame. I sell lots of books, they their. They do, create a s e books as well. In fact, that's kind of overtaking I'm, not an ebook guy. I like to take a marker to mark books, and so I buy paper ones, but apparently the real world likes to read on their tablet and so on. My books are on that platform thanks to Heidi, and apparently they sell very well. I don't keep track. I just write him. I don't count them. If you,
I suggest to somebody a good book of yours to start with what would you say to start with? I was going to read your books, which I start with, I would tell you to read blood meridian by Cormac, Mccarthy. I would tell you read a real writer getting get in the Van my torch. Turn from black flag. Is just people like that book. It's in a bunch of different languages. Is just a cool insane read of like living. This very Ferrell life, like you, know, fighting women and music and relative property. So that's a fun one to start or I, I like the travel books. I've been writing the last few years. I've he's like I right. Well, I travel all over the world, and so I write these books from these places like from a ship in Antarctica from a tent in the desert, this of Timbuktu and those travel books. I like quite a bit and a dole
or they always have in awe and a at the beginning. I have to come but the rest of the name. Sort of your manic dedication to work is very inspiring like it makes me feel like. I need to work more like when you Writing all the time and doing all these things it like you're, one of those guys. It's like it feels like you're, always with your foot on the gas yeah, I'm kind of furious. When you for work yeah, I don't it's, it's not what it's what I do, but it's also what I don't do in that. I don't have a family, I'm not putting it down. I just don't have that I'm just not chip that way. I I never thought of having kids, I don't have a wife, I don't have friends really I most of the people I know, are you either pay a salary or a commission to my phone doesn't ring my old best friend from since I was twelve in the kind of the band Fugazi.
He and I talk every Sunday if possible, but pass at my phone use doesn't ring unless it's an interview mighty going hey you're late get over there. Is that good? it is what it is work for. You like it, That's all I know I've been that way since I was five but the no friends. Well, I don't I'm not looking for enemies, I'm not looking right right right course. I just don't want to come over the weekend for dinner. Now! No, I don't- and I I have a good time at dinner with some I'm just uncomfortable at all, say the wrong thing, and I just act like to look at the table. Full of people go act like them. You should be friends with comics because you can't say the wrong thing, because no one cares yeah, but Then you have to then they'll call and say: hey come out with us we're going. Then you have to go. You don't have to go
I'm not going to deadbeat I'd, be a deadbeat friend 'cause. It's fine I'd never want to go with anyone to do anything you don't have to, but will look at the phone calls and see if it sounds like you're managing expectations, verses. You know like it's. That doesn't tell you don't like friends since you don't want expectations. I I you know s gonna get in a way, so well also I'm just kind of moody in that yeah. Going to go out and do this thing and then I don't want to see anyone to do anything until two thousand and twenty eight and I don't want to cancel- and so here this is my big besides hanging out with you, my big social thing as many many years ago, two thousand and three I did a song with William Shatner. Bill, Shatner on his album and we became pals come by the house for Monday night Football, an he invite,
give me to the house for Monday night football. He lives a few traffic lights from me. Walking up the stairs to the the living room with a big tv is, and I heard all this laughter invoices and I froze- and I was right at the threshold of the door and as it turned back to back to turning back Henry, and he saw me and I'm like hey Bill and I walked in and met all his really cool friends an he at least for me bill is: where are the nicest people I've ever met? In my life friendships? I have in that I've been going to Bill Shatner's house every year since two thousand and three. So what's that fifteen years right. And I will be there this year, I'm on his next record,
he's doing another record. Oh yeah, I did the vocal last year this- is a it'll be fun, I'm not going to know. This is for him to announce it, but every he wants to know, while his assistant will contact me, hey Bill, really wants to see you how about like next to you guys? Are you free for next Wednesday GO meet him and the wife in the Holly and go eat and like yeah, and it's great to see him in this amazing wife. And I truly value that friendship, I mean. I look forward to seeing him I really enjoy hearing. What he's up to Kazoo was doing like five things and it's become. This thing I really look forward to football season. I don't know much about football. I have no idea what a half back does. I think they run. I don't I I died, never do, but I like going there and it's always the same group of people. People he's known for like five hundred years and they're super nice and I've kind of
sort of known them for like fifteen years, because I have nothing else like that. Really in my life sounds of the other thing I would do once a year and sadly, it ended, but for a few years I would go to Gail Zappa's birthday party on January first 'cause. I would play a lot of her husband's music on my radio show, Frank Zappa and one time someone in the family wrote me and said: hey thanks for when dad on the show. I'm like are you kidding, I love those records and then Gail the mom, the wife wrote said: hey, thank you and you know what we know who you are here and and we like you, I have a birthday party every January first, once you come up to the house this year, or next next year, like he'll end,
I did, and that was like three or four years in a row. I did that until Gail passed away- and you know in the you get there or whatever. It is like two in the afternoon two hours is before I'm genuinely nervous to go, be in a room full of extraordinarily nice people with fantastically good food, and there ever was always so nice to me and like it, who's who you walk in you're like wow it just all these people, you recognize I'm not here to name drop but some of the tables. I sat at that thing I, like really am I really talking to like really fat fantastic and she was always so nice to me and like last time I was up there. One of my books is like in the living room like wow and when she passed away. I wrote one of the family members. I said I am so sorry like. Thank you for the hospitality. Your mom was so write to me and I'm kind of like the
rescue dog. I'm used to being outside, so I don't come in side very often- and I went to that birthday party because they just the friendliness of that I wouldn't is socially nerve. Wracking, as those things are for me. I had such respect for that extension of kindness. I cannot disrespect it by not going I wouldn't dare the samurai in me, says you do not distract. You must be respectful, even if it makes you nauseous with social anxiety 'cause. I just don't know what to do can't say no, because it's such a nice thing to do for someone yeah place. You must not really know how I am otherwise. She never would have invited me so, but things like that out of sheer politeness, am I respect for someone being friendly to me. I'm kind of a
pushover just because I'm like wow that was so nice. I must salute that. I think it's so good that you're open about your social anxiety. I don't like being around all these people 'cause a lot we've only outside they see someone like you, you know black flag. All your spoken word things your books, your fucking, I mean I always go back to that. Uh higher song, your fucking neck was like the size of my waist and your screaming and painted red and, like this crazy, intimidating guy in a lot of ways to hear you talk about Social, anxiety and how weird you feel that I think we all can. We all feel that I always feel that I mean it doesn't matter, I think, no matter how famous you get if you're paying it you are going to have an impostor syndrome, you're always going to
You don't belong there if you're actually paying attention and if you don't you'll you're. Probably you probably Lucien on some sort of what I wonder about the people who don't right like I never I will I get to do cool stuff the bit before you go into that to on your point, it's easy for me to be in front of people. That's a very different than than being with people. I can be the party, but going to the party is difficult to support me in front of like five people, five to and people stage fright. Now I can't wait to be out there. Your performer type, like you, love that audience you they showed up like. Are you kidding I'm a dog with a wagging tail? I want to get out there and get it I can't wait. I wait the whole day on tour to get out there. The whole day is about eight hundred o'clock stage, time being amongst people like going to gallery event. I go see a Shepard Fairey thing or something and people are super
nice to me- and I'm always polite back, but I'm a little nerve e, but if they said, can you get up and speak for five minutes? Oh yeah! I got this with this. It is strange, but it's also it's a way to avoid they'd being with people be in front of 'em, it's a way to be in the room with people just be the center of attention, so maybe that's coming from some kind of neediness. Worse, some depravation as it. You know what I didn't get as a kid, but it that you make a great point about that when you really think well, this is where I belong. I think you lose all the fun of it yeah and you turn into kind of a jerk. So what I, every five hundred years ago to one of those premieres I get invited and you're standing you're you're in a room. We have tons of really good food and none of those people eat side just like go in there and come out nine pounds heavier bunch of shrimp. I just eat, but you eat
a big Hollywood premier big big movie years ago, and it's like that when that one that one that one in there like it is their lives and now I'm with a buddy of mine, we packed in there and were like what are we doing here. This is so cool 'cause. We know we shouldn't be here and after shaking Ike, Turner's hair and ten minutes later, I'm back in my own kitchen going. That was so weird like water. Surreal evening and is my friend and I were staying next week and he said that looks like I turned to know man that is Ike Turner. He looked like a human barracuda he's like terrifying as little beat up but come on like we bought a ticket where at the dance, let's let's go talk to this guy, you like? No, no! No! No. I just walked get over there. I said you invented rock and roll rocket. Eighty eight and he went yes, I did is shook my hand wow. I say first ever distorted guitar on tape, which is kind of true anyone. That's right and I plucked him up and
He was all happy to meet me an I said, hey and here's. My friend and I brought my friend over and we shook his hand and kind of stood. With him for a minute and went ok. Ok, so it's probably not going to get any better for us. Get out of so we few more handfuls of mini burritos and we fail It was one of those nights like we aren't supposed to be in there and I ever lose that then just never talk to me again, 'cause I'll, just my head would have disappeared, part of me. What that anxiety in that in security is a big part of the fuel that keeps everything moving super anyone for makes you analyzing yourself yeah and anger yeah, I'm mad at I. I I like fighting and I'm not fighting like in a ring. For me, a lot of things are confrontation, like tour is what you think. I can't do. Forty seven shows in forty eight days, no actually my next two hours, forty seven and forty seven. I I have a
they operate two shows a few days later in one day. So what you think I can't book twenty more to one hundred more in the winter and just give me a llama and a knife, and I make every gig like watch this and that's so much of what fuels me like yeah and like I come up with these huge ideas for books, like that's going to take me five, just to write it, and it did- and I just finished it it's going to the proofreader soon at this epic project, it's it's a series of music books. It's four hundred seven thousand words yeah it's a bit much, but so am I, idea pages. I don't know it's a lot. Actually, it's mostly on the hard drive, so we don't have to like D forced some park but it was an idea. I had ice. Ok, this is going to take a lot of years to execute this idea and so like watch. We work seven days a week on this thing. Watch me stay up until
the next day, working on this thing and a lot of what fuels me. That's what gets me into auditions, like, I think you, like, hey Audition, for this tv show I'm not an actor. So am I going yeah I'm going, and I in that hallway, like twenty years older than all these other people when they got the good gym bodies, fantastic, hair just hold bodies and they all know each other like this weird old man, gloom for the same part, the the guide not dipped in Cologne, I'm like oh man and I go in there and I bomb. Of course, I get my parking pass validated and let's listen to Slayer on the way home. Take the lump out of my throat. Do you do that? How often you auditioning for depends if I'm in town and there's interesting, things happening more and more, as I don't know, it's happening, but I take more meetings and just get more offers like hey. We like you for this, yes or no cool, yes, but there's auditions. I do for voice over,
animated or car reds, or what have you in acting? I ought mission for all kinds of things and every once in a while. The audition will get work you for this. It starts in October, I'm in, and that happens fairly often now but I get in those lines at any major video you want to imagine where I go in for the meeting with a casting person. That kind of look you up, but I do those raw auditions where is and leave, and you see like five head shots on a day. It is what it is and you it literally you're out of there about thirty five seconds. You walk in you, Henry Henry Are you ready sure you have any questions, no stand on this piece Tape, she'll be reading with you and you know thank you very much for coming in and you leave the trailer.
And you get back on the one hundred and one and go home, and you never hear from them again often for me most. Out of one hundred of those ninety eight part time. I think that's for everybody, it's not put it down, but I I'm just saying you asked about auditions hell. Yeah I go in there. I think. That's one of the things that makes actor so fucking. Weird is not just They need attention in the first place where they hold NOLA. They get don't know, alot rejection, sucks it sucks, and there already in security in the first place, and then they sort of try to model their behavior based on what they think that casting agents in the producers wanted here and they change and they developed a style of communicating. That's very actory. It's a weird. Way to make your living. I mean I've never relied on acting as my source income in one thousand nine hundred and eighty four, when I was twenty three, I had a a thing that has been serving me up to sitting here with you now I was very young and twenty three years of age, a young idiot and I looked all
me and all my peers are super talented, who are my peers, minor threat, bad brains, Huescar, do the meat puppets, dead, Kennedys, I'm just surrounded by really talented people who are brilliant, great songwriters and between Many of them are waiting tables living with mom living on couches couches, you sleeping at band practice. You know with the kick drum pillow as as their pillow, just like you roughing it, and I reckon that I'm less talented than all of them and if their waiter between towards the only reason, I'm not as black flag. Never stop storing, but the ball never hit the ground, 'cause, we'd, starve and so better get plans, b, C d, E, F g ready because music not going to sustain me ironically, it went very well for me, so I was doing the writing. So I said I'm going to really get better at writing. I'm going to really bear down on this. The talking show some getting thirty five people tonight, I'm going to get fifty people a night and then voice.
Over people started coming like hey. Can you do a voice over? I got a voice. What do you want to? I better learn to say yes to stuff and by the mid 80s? Ok, you want to be in a movie yeah one Why have to lose except you but can calories from starving, and so it was fear of not eating that knowing I better have a plan, so. I started developing that in the 80s and 90s and from that came when I I'm done with this I'm going to go immediately into this documentary and then I'm finishing this radio show and then I'm going off to do this film and then I'm going on tour and then I'm coming back and finishing this book and it turned into this like juggling all these things. So I never had be a full time actor like that's how I pay the rent. That would be terrifying right up there with being a professional comedian, like I don't know how someone acts for living without being really good or out of their minds with anxiety but being a professional comedian at least write your own stuff, so you
kind of in control of that, and they don't have to worry. It doesn't seem that rough in then you don't have to pay people like you have to pay roadies, you don't have a drummer that has to show up. Also, you know, have the bass player who you got to get along with. I just so many variables with the band that can Indians don't have like. We always look at you guys and go wow. I don't know how to fuck. You guys do it because, there's not as much like you might do the same size venues that we do but you're splitting the money with all these fucking people. You know and then a lot times today, the record company gets a piece they get a piece of every right. They get a piece of your merchandise. You see, bands play really big places and it's amazing how much money they don't make yeah or each guy in the band gets like really yeah huh and then you see someone a small comedian playing like one hundred and fifty Peter for two nights. Two sets a night. You know the the left whatever,
where in the Midwest and like wow wow, that's a pretty good weekend he's just taking it home in his suitcase yeah you can get by. You can get by and you can work, you can work everywhere. You know for a band. I think the venues are more more limited, easy, goer, more limited and I think that's interesting that your it was almost like a desperation to not have to work a job as a waiter that kept you just has. What is you know is that the straight world, so I've been in it, I come from it. You know minimum wage work and everything, and I knew I couldn't survive in it because I you know you get as a young adult. You start to figure out who you are and I go. Ok, I'm not and uh it is, but I'm an artist type, I'm a numb nuts. You can't put me in a straight job. I can pass for normal disk as I can task it. I can totally do it like you could put me in a Ralph's
Kroger's a Starbucks. I will totally get in there and hit the work and clean it all and serve it up with a smile but I'll be I'm crazy inside and I will the punch everybody in those places going crazy inside. I don't know, but I can't sustain in that, and I haven't had to for many years I've been lucky I've been in the world lunatic since one thousand nine hundred and eighty one being a crazy person out with other crazy people, and when I look at a straight job, I'm like man, I don't think at this one. I could hack it not 'cause, I'm spoiled just because I've never had to tether my adult mind to that. I work seven days a week but and Henry stuff yeah. It's me it's not it's. A different thing is a different thing: Did you enjoy that work? And it's way over? Sixty hours a week I mean it's, I do two shifts usually to eight to ten hour shifts depending every workload. Well, I can't do four hours
sleep at night, but I'm actually I time my sleep, I hit the stop watch on the phone before go to bed justice clock sleep patterns. I did about six point something hours of sleep last night, that's good! It's good! I feel great today I barely ate, and I got in a good work out and all last night is a lot of pull. Ups played fifteen seven inch records in between flip sing over, I gotta beam in my living room. It's a beam coming out of the ceiling that supports me and I just run over there and just do a bunch of pull ups and then go to angel record, so you want more music, you have to pay it pay. Doing all this by yourself all alone yeah, but by bedtime. You are hurting me ray asleep. So I got good sleep last night, so you mix the workout with your enjoyment of music. You just space it in between the yeah last night was pulling tonight at the turn tail will listen to more records. I'll just do sets of push ups next to the turntable
yeah smart move because, like that's probably a good interval of rest, like get a good hard work out in, and then you listen to Foreman at Sun yeah. I know you are, but I do it all night. It is sister, I'm not doing fifty sets of fifty rep sets of doing like fifteen to twenty five, but I'm doing him for quite awhile by the uh I'm I go to bed, it's advil time, my cow too, for this, but I work on something every day on tour. I don't take vacations, I'm not trying to brag. I just can't can't handle not doing it whatever the thing yeah. Well, you found an interesting way to live life and uh. Anybody like you, but it's working for you, yeah works on all levels in I can sustain. I pay my bills, I'm not bored and I get for the most part to call my own shots and you seem happy happy when I'm working.
Yeah happy happy with the task yeah. I value work, I'm an achievement junkie like if I'm depressed I just picked, something to do like finisher radio show edit this thing, transcribe this chapter from a notebook and after I'm done, I'm like ok, that's the anti depressant was actually doing something which is not the worst is not booze. It's not a pill. It's the treadmill, yeah or it's the all damn thing I got to get it written, will shut up and write it when I'm run it's like an endorphin thing, where I'm great for another day there was an. Article written about happiness, and that was one of the things that they said that one of the things it seems to sustain peoples, happiness or facilitate, happy This is accomplishing tasks like setting goals for yourself, accomplishing those goals and getting the sense of completion actually done the work, and you did it and you discipline yourself and got through it, and that this is one of the major keys to happiness for a lot of work.
From a totally works for me. 'cause I mean as well. I've tried everything but drugs, so I've been battling with depression. Since I was a little kid and I What is this I found? It was depression and I don't I do drugs, I'm not. I just don't want it, my brain plus it's like someone elses idea it terrify is me, so I have to figure out what do you do, and so that's where the gym you're working out really is a big help. Writing listening to music. That is like kind of my drug. You know I I just put the records on and like three songs in your like. Oh there's that feeling buoyancy neutral. It's like floating in the bank or when your scuba diving, you get there air just right in your floating. That's how I feel when I have music- oh my god. This is as good as it gets, and that's why I We have, you know record, I'm always looking at new records going to the record store is more happiness coming in does
exercise work better or the same as work like for managing depression. The workout is maintenance. It doesn't achieve much, but I achieve the workout, but you feel like the endorphin release. Does that help you do yeah? It does and I at The Buddhist say I made merit. I went in did my time on the treadmill. I don't want to be there. Yeah, just like the last fifteen minutes. I don't I'd rather be somewhere else like yeah, that's cool you'll be fine, sit out. Do your work! That's why, before the podcast, I was suggesting hot yogurt, a you, and you seem to be very stiff. Lately. You've got some injuries and some things are pomeranians. Yeah dude, I'm telling you that will fix a lot of that shit really. I know you have you have a great workout diversity when you- and I were talking before we
your place and you said some mornings. You feel like training this way and you'll go to that gym or you'll train like the judo or whatever, and then the next day it's going to be kettlebell, so you really like to mix it up. I think good for a body to always be guessing. What's coming next yeah, I think that's important so there's some things that are really have to do. I think I need at least one day of hard cardio a week, and I think I need it. Just one day of hard lifting weights a week, but I also think I need at least one day of yoga. We call e yogas He is one of the most important things that I do because for that, ninety minutes I can't go anywhere. I don't touch my phone's, not in the room with Maine. You just me and uh a jug of water in the yoga mat and the class in a bunch of old. Ladies kicking. My ass old, ladies, are fucking tough man. This is old, lady. She goes this workout, last. May I see there all the time. She's gotta be close to seventy. She doesn't even bring water. She just puffs, it out she's there for now. Ninety minutes, sweating and grunting through the postures and those you do an hour
have classes last twenty minutes in a hundred and four degrees, it's so hard to get through. But when you get through, you just feel, like you feel better I just almost like. While I'm in it, I can't wait to do it again like while I'm struggling- and I was like god- I need to do more than this. I need to do this more often. Rather I can't wait to do this again. I can always feel that and it just lengthens everything like all the bad things in the leg, things that hamstring things just stretches, everything out, lengthens it and all the tension are just straightens it out loosens it up, and I just feel like for a guy like you or I, who does a lot of a lot of like especially like used a lot heavy lifting. You were saying a lot of deadlifts and squats. This is the antidote for all that stuff, but it's decompression and for your body, maintenance is for nominal, probably less loose the lactic acid out of your muscle, t oh yeah, yeah. You know here's what I've observed you know. I live in LOS Angeles, so there's a lot of yoga people but
to them 'cause they have am at, but you could also see how they walk, how they sit there. So in their body, and there is a grace too- I'm not trying to put it when the pejorative, but a yoga person where there's only are they limber they're, just really? Okay, this thereby- the articulation like, ok, uh, huh, hum coming from that person's overall body- it's just it's! beautiful machine the way they articulate themself and the way they'd sit very unusual balance. The balance of like porn tell someone who does it. They have that and it's not subtle. I recognize you would love it man, you know what you would love it 'cause it fucking sucks and while you're do
man. Do you have the internal dialogues crazier? Your balls? Would you what we want to ball, but you also start going over your life in your mind and deal with all your bullshit and your to do list listing all the things your doing wrong or slacking? There's something about really struggling in these static positions for like a minute where you're trying to like hold your leg up there and your sweat. Sweat is literally pouring off your arms in your head and there's something about that man that it's just really cleansing it just really empties. I just think it's a thing that you're missing that you would really love. If you try it, I bet. If you did it and it came back, we did a podcast year later be like fuck yoga. I fucking love it. My life changed. My life yeah. I know a lot of fighters a lot of people who, like our hectic for a living there, yoga people and like in the the disease, a yoga's was gonna punch, you yeah, like you the way I would you know what I found out about it. You know Hicks and Gracie is well I or we
about the Gracie, the family. Well, the family hoist Gracie is the most famous because he's probably the most important figure. Never in the history of martial arts 'cause. He won the first ultimate fighting championship and showed that a small man can actually beat larger men with technique and skill. Well, his brother is Hixson and his brother is like universal era started is one of the greatest Jujitsu guys, if not the greatest of all time, and he was different than everybody else and that he did yoga like his thing was like I've never heard of a martial artist that got into yoga, but Hixson would do these breathe exercises- and he do these balance beam some exercises- and he was always doing yoga and stretching- and it was a giant part of his work out and he was above and beyond and everyone else in his time period like in the 90s, everyone was scared of Hixson. He, the man I mean, but it wasn't like. There was any debate, it's very rare that you
something that is so antagonistic and so tightly contested as two men. Using martial arts techniques trying to strangle each other and one guy stands above all by such large margin, and that was Hixson and I really do believe part of it was his mind. Part of it was his physicality, but it's That physicality was enhanced by his dedication to yoga yeah he's a legit yogi like he does that file. You're, breathing shit, where he sucks his stomach in in that weird way, and has it move up and down you ever see. So we do that yeah. He does that, like like a real yogi like it's a real trip, an I think, because
of his. His is is like physical. It like you can see. There is good he's got this video here. You see him. Do this fire breathing like what's the does the stomach, because it's kind of crazy he sucks his stomach way way way up deep into his rib cage. He does this breath of fire thing and then, as it gets going, he starts pumping his leg here. You see it. If you pull it up there, Jamie the for the part. Where starts to do it? Look at this yeah like what the phone in that same yeah it's crazy, and this is one of the things he has a dominant. Muscle control yeah, who gets that? That's a muscle group you never try and articulate make it do anything. Well. He he practiced yoga for a long long long time, and because of that he had this phenomenal course strengthen phenomenal balance and he just had a giant advantage over everyone else.
I think a lot of that advantage was his. His ability to move his body was different, but it also just for a guy like you, that's been just lifted weights for so long. It's the perfect antidote for your body's, like your body, will react to it all yeah stretch this out. Thank you. Thank you been asking for this yeah. You know, but but Lankton this hold that pose. This is instead of just lifted some rap. You know which is like what men like to do. Instead of that you're holding your arms out, they liked you like fuck. I don't even have any weight in these things and I want to drop him. Yeah You know every once in awhile, I've worked out with someone else and they go ok we're going to do this and this and you workout, and then you let them you. Let yourself be trained and I've done a few workouts like ok, I'm going to kill you, I'm like ok, Was that mean like by the end of this? You won't be able to take your shirt off to change and I've done. You know where you're benching this much.
This much then this what you do like one hundred and fifty reps, and by the time you can't lift the bar and you can't lift your arms, you literally trembling from exhaustion, and I've told that the people, though, that yoga you will tremble from exhaustion and you'll, be so happy when you leave because of how good feeling. You can't wait to go back and you won't blow your joints out the way you will with a listing, I would have yeah. There is no way around it. I I've I've paid he. I did a thing the other day on on advice, Heidi the manager and new ideas. I tried that cryo therapy. Yes, and I am not I'm a naysayer- are in lowercase I under, and why would work and I'm not saying it's quackery, but I I just feel like I'm in and Annie Hall scene when I walk into these places like 'cause,
It's like Super Hayworth, whatever therapy and I'm MOO, in light and this is it and then, like you, shake the guys hand the Damn rear brakes your arm. These people are in incredible shape, and so I said: ok, I got in the robe and I went into that room for two minutes and forty five seconds and the endorphins it's like a ups truck of endorphins. You come out of there like can I lick it in since I got out of it. All I've been thinking about is going back in in the parking but I just wanted to turn around and get another shot, and I asked the guy at the counter like what is Vegas is endorphins unleashes them like fighter flight. You skip this rush. I said I want to go back, is come and see us again sometime, but it was incredible and it's not long like you're out of there before you know it ten minutes you're in and out yeah, but wow
it would make me- and I know that a lot of athletes- and I know that you use it Joey DS. What all the pick up on the brochure and nearly all the sports teams, like it's just part of what you do, but one thing that has been. Going to do there's a lot of naysayers when it comes to this. Even scientists, apparently that don't exercise but people that do exercise and do try it all pretty much universally regarded as being beneficial. But one of the things that's been shown and clinical study is that it reduces and produce this is more anti inflammatory bodies in the blood it supposed yeah. So it does reduce inflammation in your body and it just, but I think, just the mood elevation. It's worth doing mean it does. That norepinephrine release that you get when you get out of there. It's it's unbelievable! You get that it wasn't subtle. No, but I mean it was like wow and his son feels great in your face you get outside like Ah everything felt great, I mean I don't do much
are stimulants like coffee and aspirin. I guess- and I'm not even sure what the effect is. If anything, and so it doesn't take much to make me go well, that's different! here I mean and that I walked out in back to the parking lot like jam. That was fantastic three and take ten minutes off. Then I do three again, so I do two sessions yeah. I do two back to back. So you go in that. You do a lot in war, two or three minutes. I do three minutes and then my body warms back up to like once your skin temperature gets around the four degrees I'll, let you get back in there and then I go back in there again for another three minutes, so wait how many like you'll go into this place three minutes, and then I wait for ten minutes and I go in for another three minutes, so you do two two session is two sessions in one visit, yes yeah, and how much, how often and how many times a month whenever I can, but I mixing it up more with sauna, I've been doing a lot of sauna. Lately, I kind of like that as much, if not more,
the song, yeah Sana Sana seems to be really good for muscle. Injuries is something about the sauna for anytime to muscle, tissue or soreness or weird shit. So I just close that all out and so on is also one of those things that it's what it is, is your body reacting to extremes right, whether it's extreme cold or extreme heat your body produces heat shock, proteins in cold shock, proteins and all those things are doing is reducing inflammation. That's the number one thing like you want to feel better, reduce inflammation and this one of the best ways to manipulate your body is either through crowd, cryotherapy or through sauna those things are amazing. Someone I know that she says it's all about inflammation. You got to beat the info yeah cut out all the sugar cut, all the carbs cut out, all the bread cut it all alcohol. If you can do that, you'll massively reduce inflammation yeah, that's for gospels all that that yeah, that nothing good in there for you yeah I'm and once your body gets used to it too, that's what's really interesting. You don't even really crave it anymore, like I still like
ice cream. I still enjoy like a dessert or something like that, but it doesn't I have the same impact it used to like. I see a sandwich and I go all get that sandwich like that. Pastrami sandwich big thick bread and it doesn't do it for me anymore. I don't it doesn't recognize what that is like. Oh, that's a trick. That's a trick! That's not even really food yeah! I don't eat as much as I used to. I just feel so much better when I disc IP the middle meal and like whose idea Was it three meals a day anyway? You don't need that right and I've found that I can live very comfortably, I'm not into like torturing myself, like I'm going to starve and nail myself to this share, but if I'm too just too distracted to work as I'm hungry. I need to address that. But what I found is, if I just kind of don't eat a lot after a couple of days, I'm like
a jet in the high air, where you're burning no fuel 'cause you're, just in the thin air, where I walked pie food go like that. I've had like two meals in the last two one slash two meals like in the last three days and I feel fine. Actually, I feel like really bouncy? Might I don't need the the post workout seven minute power nap? I I I I feel really good. Do you do in Mormon fasting at all? Yes, on the woman I work with. You know Heidi. She does that sometimes and I'll just follow her lead social go! Hey! I'm doing this I'll try that, because I you know this stuff and she knows a lot more about it than I do so. I just do what she does, and so Today I got into like one meal a day I was just trying it out. No one told me too, I was in India of all places and was out all day, taking photos and sweating and I would eat dinner, and that would be it and I would sleep through
breakfast and go back out and with my camera, so dinner became my meal and the first three days of that was a little tough and then was like never wanted. I kind of felt bad when I went back the western, I'm eating a lot of food- your body adapts yeah we can adapt. You can live on pizza. The rest of your life. Very happily, all you know whatever, but your body really does adapt that intermittent that time will not see it adapted anything it'll dep to too much food and little depth to like a fraction of what you used to eat here. But just here's. What I have found when I start limiting the food, I'm more alert. My sleep is more restorative and I bounce out of bed like just the bed. I don't have that afternoon. Drowsiness, I just stay with it and I just feel way more buoyant and present yeah for type faster, just concentrate more and
if I, when I'm on tour, it's usually, I do one point something: meals a day like I'm about to leave on tour. It will be it's an evening. Meal post show, I put my seven to an eight hour, feeding window and sixteen hour fasting window every day and I've been pretty can system without over the last like four or five months and as it is a big impact man when you, when I eat dinner, you know, say if I'm done at eight hundred o'clock. Just I just time it out sixteen hours later is when my first meal comes, I can have a coffee in between now and then, but nothing with like any real significant calories. I'm just having some liquid or something like that and that's it and then it just by doing that man just like a wake up in the morning, I'm not craving breakfast, I'm not I'm, not even hungry. My body is totally adapted to just give you not a chance to digest. I think we're always in this state of feeding and your body never has really a chance digestive, said chuckling. You know the bodies like as its processing it
incoming, like really another order, never gets to realize to realize digestion. We're done. It's always you, like a cow there, always processing nutrition, and I I wonder if that's a western model, cousin other parts of the world people live, very differently than we do it just it is what it is an a meal is it's almost just a thing that happens now and then it's not like it's dinner time and we're going to talk about report cards in there's not a gathering. It's like the whole family, works all over the city and they're going to eat. I think at some point, where everything even sleep, you go to parks like Vietnam, people just like sleeping behind the counter of the store they work at, because they've been for a day and a half right, because mom can't come in so there were you running the store, and they sleep. Is this thing that you get now and then, and I think, Food is like that in a lot of parts of the war like a meal the next time I
it will be the next time I eat when you go out these places and I know you travel pretty much all over the world. Do you go out of your way to try to sample in as wide a variety is the local cuisines you can now depends on where I go and I'm not that by who just brings it all from home, and I never leave home when I'm abroad, but I can't afford to eat a bad meal and be bad bed ridden for the next day when I should be out hitting the streets looking at stuff, and so I've had it. You know, as you do you run into the bad meal where you're like hugging a tree watching the arc of vomit like why window there and I've done that from here to Myanmar in Russia, wherever I've had some bad meals, and so when the food looks dodgy like in the Interior of Africa, we pointed the meet up rejecting go. What is that and the guy will say, I think it's goat cliff bar just 'cause? I just can't
so what I've learned to do and it's hard on your back. Is it's a lot of weight? I take say I'm going to be out in Africa for two weeks I bring about two meals worth of chow with me. That's all gotten us. A lot of cliff bars a lot of like pee, but you'll things that just don't go bad and he, where I can just look at the food gum. No not tonight it's going to be a handful of almonds and this and water also in parts of the world over waters dodgy you find a store by the Box of water rip it open to make sure it has been tampered with by the whole box. Put in your backpack and look forty pounds of water for the next five days. It sounds, but you you can't be somewhere going. I I'm thirsty- and I don't know about that water, because I thought about something in the you know: they have these portable backpack filters and sterry pens and things that a lot of backpack hikers, the use of the there are very small, now they're, very small and lightweight, and you can get some
like if you're staying in a place you think it has Dodge water? You can get a gravity filter when you put water like you, could literally rain water from outside in the puddle- and I know a lot of people do that and they take it and they put it in this large gravity filter in a drip down almost like it looks like someone's peeing at the bottom of this huge bag, a sixty liter bag of water, but it filters at all and it allows you to drink basically puddle water right now, I've never gotten that high tech I've been to some pretty dodgy places, but I've always been somewhere in prep like a city before I go into the countryside. When I go ok, it's going five days before I see anything like this again, so I'm provisioning for eight days. That's a good thing, but use Google Steri pen. You should get one of these things 'cause This thing is so simple: it's like it basically looks, go to pen and it works with ultraviolet light, and
We put it in water like see. If you have a glass of water, he just stir this into water. It kills everything in the water, everything yeah. It will still give this, but there it is right there. So is Buffalo piss in the water, it's going to smell, like Buffalo Pit yeah, but it's not going to kill you and it won't give you already it will give you anything else. Well, that's smart yeah and it's not big. It's a small little device. You see it there are hand held yeah. This does draw that smart yeah. He's put in your backpack yeah yeah 'cause, there's parts of mainly Africa, where you go really in the water but that's a lot of mosquitoes seems locals drinking likes clearing the larva out of the way. Mike. Don't do that like? What do you mean? That's, that's our water, my friend Justin ran. He runs a charity called fight for the forgotten they build wells for the pygmies in the Congo and he's had malaria three times going over there, yeah and yes is of. He is a beautiful human being,
this guy sacrifices. So much he's in the Congo several months out of every year, tough play in very dangerous. It is very dangerous and you know he's got some crazy stories about it too. But you know these people, like you, see little children with horrible distended bellies, 'cause they're filled with parasites and heartbreaking a lot of it is clean water and so they're, developing their their initially partnered up with water for now is kind of doing it on his own. But in through this one of my responses, the cash app and through the cash app they've already raised. Thousands of dollars to build several wells in the Congo were constant, raising more money and building more wells, and you know it changes their life if free actual, clear water that comes out of the ground. You see these people celebrating and dancing with the wells get turned on like this is so powerful. You just think of water is like oh, hey, some some water. I got a bottle, but to them it's it's everything. I've been looking on and off with water in jail for many years called drop in the bucket, and I've been to
Uganda and South Sudan with them they drill at schools and questioner, water cyst that thing we sing in the shower with you know it's just like it's always around you trip over the models, there's so much water other parts of the world, as you know not so much, and when you, when you see the impact of water on the school there's. So many things you don't think about, and so is that this one school where a had drilled drop in the bucket drilled like before we were there. Is it the well and meet meet the kids in Masaka? It's I think, north of Kampala and one of the drop in the bucket people say is like they now have toilets and running water. Do you understand what that means for female literacy? I'm like what do you mean a woman, a girl it's a certain age. She goes through a major, major physiological change. If there's not running water in a way for her to clean yourself up, there's a lot of potential. Shame and self consciousness
you stop going to school 'cause, there's not a way to keep yourself together and you stop learning stops at young adulthood, Bo Running water and a in a way to We westerners do so easily. You keep yourself hygienic and you can go back to class and learn to read and I was like I did. I never would have thought of that. Had I not come and this trip and it hit me like a truck, I am thirsty. Water means so much more. Just dignity like I want to be clean. You and me we throw our clothes in the laundry everyday clue and close I mean you see these women walking eight miles each way with the Jerry cans of water summer. That's for drinking a lot of it's for cleaning those 'cause they're, sending their kid to a schooling want the kid you know: human dignity, water. All of that is a big. You know you can't have dignity put the water is water means I don't stink and you
must take me. You must respect me as a person, because I don't smell like I've been living in these clothes for a week, and I learned a lot of that by traveling but traveling with that NGO was a you know like going this class. It was huge yeah man, that's that's! That's it! That's something I know would have considered yeah in the in human dignity. You know you that's what we have a lot of angry people in the world, because you and I, as westerners, we don't suffer, there's a lot of indignities that we don't suffer. Lot of people in the world work hard to not suffer like they have like. Ok, have to go, get the water today You know it's a long. Long trip go, walk to long Beach pack to get the water because there's no tap and I got kids and you know infants- and I I got to make this work because I can't have my family stinking
and I gotta do the cooking, and hopefully you don't get eaten by a crocodile or attacked by a monkey, the monkey they smell the water and they they mug you for the water yeah they just assault, yield bite and they grab the water, knock it over and lick it off the ground. Yet people get assaulted in dry season by monkeys. Wow yeah. So these people creeps, but you see what people do there now trying to be rock stars. All they want to do is what you and I do just without even thinking twice and that you know it's made me as an older guy, I'm pushing sixty. It's made me really reconsider human relationships, like our current political climate, the way people talk to each other, Now it's sometimes kind of terrifying, and it makes me really reconsider human dignity, respect patients like there's a lot of people. I disagree with, but they're coming from something
like something very real they're, honest held them to make that sign or to do that thing and the the cause and effect. I think there may be wrong, headed with the call Israel and the effect is sincerely the action sincerely held the motivation and it's that kind of travel and looking out looking at how people I don't want much they just want to get by by and large, reconsider kind of how Voulez vou with everyone out in the world. I think I'm getting better at it 'cause it's so hard. It is hard, but I think if you pay attention to it and you concentrating on it. As you get older, you do get better at it and the id that someone who's almost sixty is still learning like that's just how we are you know, and we have this
good idea. The people are static in the that you know you meet me to guide the seventy. When you mean when he seventy five is gonna, be the same guy, if not worse, but now people keep their capable of growth as long as they're, alive and mode I hate it. I you'll grow as much as you want to, and I've met said twenty year old to wear me out, like I can't keep up with this. Like I go on some cool echo travel trips. You go like an Artica and these old like come on. You like, I can't you go. To take a photo of short and then you meet people were twenty two in there, so burned out and there's so hard to be around like man. If I had your youth I'd, be the bouncing off the planet. What do you do, and is just a mindset and all kinds of surrounding factors and forces. But it's really This is what you want to do at a certain part of your life. I have very little sympathy for adults in that you're thirty.
This is all you pal, your addictions, your crap marriage. That's all you like! I don't have that much! Well, I did so much coke out of the house anymore. That's a lot of coke! and I'm sorry that you're living in a box or in a van down by the river but come on man, that's uh, Longhill. You slid down so get up and don't do it don't make the same as but adults come on man. You know who you are at this point and you you know what you can be and it this point. I abhor rudeness. I hate it and I hate when I'm rude on my damn. I have to punish my and so I, as I get older, I'm working as best I can to be more clear to be more polite. More patient. Just saw him more unavoidable, like on stage I don't
curse. So, there's no way you can marginalize me even you're doing your live speaking shows. We're having these discussions and you're talking about crazy things that you've seen you don't swear. How many times have I sworn in this room with you right now that today I don't think you have. I haven't, I keep track. Why is that many years ago, almost ten years ago I was going out with a woman who never cursed, and I I work with people who don't curse the you they get their point across, and I This girl is going out there she's fantastic and she never cursed and my sailor speak. I was like wow Rock Obama and presidents traditionally don't curse, but he had such a good way with words I just had. I heard him on the stump, I'm sure was all written form, but nonetheless I just like how how the man carried Himself- and I I would be more like that- and I was just
Australia a couple weeks ago, speaking and I was on a very interesting panel about me to us, the only male on the panels fascinating, an egg. A guy came up with his kids, okay, a big fan, and I want my kids to meet you and my son's eleven and I won to come see one of your shows one day I said. Oh, I think you should see me on my next tour here in two thousand and twenty, when he'll be like what thirteen no problem and I'm not saying my show is namby pamby, but I I want to be unavoidable, where you can write me off, say I'm wrong, fine disagreeably, that that's fine, like oh he's, just a foul mouth so we don't take him seriously. I don't want to give you that handle to jerk me around my. I have a plenty of other hand, she can try around by yeah so I'm just trying to not give people that angle and it forces me to my point of view, where those words are fun and hyperbolic
but they just don't services. It would serve me right. They don't get across what I want to get across. That's interesting, yeah. I would think that you're probably be best what you should do it anyway you want, but what I'm? What I'm thinking is that what one way to use. Those words is to have. Your point is clear, possible and then use them. Rarely you know like one of the things when I was only doing comedy back in Boston, they would call the fuck meter let's say you don't want to go on stage and say fuck every other word, because a lot of people use the word fuck in place of the word uhm. You know, they're, like fucking guy. This fucking says to me fuck you know, I don't want to fucking. Tell you what the fuck that is just this is poor communication. This is a shitty, economy of words, so that word you've, given it used it so many times we've given away all its meaning. It doesn't mean anything anymore, so we do and I'm like fuck, you doesn't mean anything anymore yeah, but if you say it like once a year at sites
you say, fuck you once a year, it means alot. Everyone will believe it. Yes, oh he's serious, but if you just drop it all the time- and I you know- I believe in the first amendment- but to me it when you use that stuff you come in is one thing but everyone you kind of, read- the result is you're something else to slaughter people in in front of some people's eyes. Yeah I mean you, you certainly limit your digest ability yeah an impact. You know I I'd. Rather you be articulate, then over bear and I you know I I watch the news and some of these pundits are very very few Kate. It they're very you're, very sharp their pundits for a living, they can't they make commentary for a living and their damn good at it. You like wow, that's a hell of a sentence. I like to be able to rock something like that Monday,
and that's that's kind of what I admire as a hero. I start shrinking with age. Well, as you wrote when you yes, interesting, that the difference between writing something and saying something. So as you do your spoken word shows and you of these stories that you want to tell, but I would Imagine that you probably write out a good most of it do you do that side of it I mean or do some of it. You just know the story, so you just tell the story the way. What about the world I'll be? all day, like taking photos or whatever voulez vou in with the locals, getting information, and then I come back somewhere and I write it up You know sometimes you're in a place like Haiti. You don't want to be outside at noon. This son will just like beat you up, so you find shade, make your notes. So I'm always trying to make notes, at night. I write it all up. A lot of that turns into a book like I use every part of the deer like
go somewhere. I I make soup jewelry a coat, every part gets used, and so the books come from that, but some stories from those travels. I come over. In my mind, the show for me when I'm on stage this can't be mere rep portaje. There has to be something there has to be an aroma coming from it. There has to be a lilt. There has to be something that a wisdom or some kind of melody that comes from the raw information like. I took all these notes and got the house the Holy Album, which is just if its component parts is mixed together in a way where it's like this beautiful thing, and so that often takes weeks where so I- I saw this. What was the story? Well, the guy fell over and but no it wasn't at six weeks of thinking about it. Wasn't him he's not this story who's watching and did nothing? That's the story
and all the sudden, the whole angle changes and so I'll mold these things over. So I have a lot of time. I live alone by the time the story gets to the stage. It's like a stone has been rolled and polished Mmhm, and I I will there's parts of the valley. Ventura boulevard were at night, there's nothing but dog, walkers and joggers. All the shops are closed. I will park in a parking lot and I'll walk about a mile. Each way talking out loud here saying the stories out loud to go. Looking for you now, yeah Henry Practice is one man show that's why I don't give the location 'cause. You will go wow. I remember that one and I will let my brain. Can you hear my voice say them and I'll make edits while I'm walking out no, that's a dead end and and I've been doing this for years, and I do it on treadmill in my mind, you know I'll just like kind of a mumble to myself, where p,
will come over in a gym like are you ok, yeah, I'm just you know just say actor and oh yeah yeah. That's the kind of preparation I do 'cause. I don't believe in warm up shows like who wants to see your warm up. Show. I go thanks for your demo. Like screw you, I paid money, I want a game, and so I only understand come in with play game, and so I do all my woodshedding alone, and so by the time I hit stage it's that story is very we evolved and then it continues to every night. You know keep shading the parts off and it's a chiseled thing of beauty, a few nights in yeah. I found that you really can only do so much on the written page or on the screen. You have to evolve it in front of a live audience, especially with things end up, which you're essentially doing you're pretty much you're. Doing very I mean I listened, listen, Bunch of your older stuff and it's essentially a form of stand up. You know it's like there's different kinds of
music right mean. There's rock and roll is blues, jazz, there's different kinds of stand up as well. Yours is a storytelling stand up yeah and with that it's going to in front of the live audience. Will like I might Showtime special tomorrow night tomorrow night at one pm, Showtime Showtime you'll hear stories, and that keeps It is, and a lot of that is just storytelling and it is funny I mean, but the leave room in my resume ' 'cause, because I don't want to tie myself to comedy because when I'm telling story about the the the story, wherever I would like Madesha was in that wasn't funny. I don't want to be. In a comedy club with some guy going wait a minute, I didn't pay for this. You make me laugh idiot, and so I don't want to be selling a false ability, bill of goods and so Sometimes it's quite often it's funny, but sometimes it's not. But for me of
plus time, if someone didn't, if there's no key casualties. It was this injury, maybe, and I it is pretty funny week later, after the scabs have fallen off, it's pretty funny. Well, the thing is, all you don't have a restricted sort of form in which you have to perform in by doing it spoken, which style you essentially can do whatever you want. Yes, and I need that freedom I can't be depended upon to make you laugh all the time right. Yeah like this is the thing about stand up a bit but part of it. I really like, because it forces you to use economy of words and boil your ideas down into this very clear rhythm. We really keep hammering with laughs, but part of it is a I mean well and where I get my freedoms from this like from doing podcast so I can express myself in ways and get thoughts across where it doesn't have to have any form. It can be funny or it can be not it can be,
depressing or funny and sad, and he doesn't have to realize itself in eleven sass right. It doesn't have to have an impact like there's a thing about stay. End up. Is that you're always getting you reaction? And if you don't get that reaction is not successful, you can call it whatever you want to say. Oh, this is stand up, but you know I'm talking about stand up or I'm talking about things that are tragic in I stand up, so it's deeper and more meaningful, like okay, but there's not really stand up. You know, stand up is funny yep and once it stops being funny, then you're doing something else. You're doing spoken, word or you're doing a play or a one person show or whatever it is, and I would never dare go into a comedy club and do what I do. You never do that. You never go to improv or something like that two times in my life. One time the venue I was just to be in got knocked out 'cause of a storm, and so they say We've moved your show to like the laugh, dungeon
some place in the EAST coast with like eighty thousand head shots on the wall that little part case stage, the p v boxes, the p eight screwed into the Wall- and I did my talking- show my Audeze Rosilee city. These tables, going, Why are we here? two thousand and sixteen I don't like nights off and they said, ok Thanksgiving. I said, find me a show. They said we found you have show it's a comedy club. Next to a strip bar There's no backstage, there's no monitors. This is two boxes in the wall: family owned, really nice people and I get where was somewhere in Illinois. I was one show one night, my tour buses rumbling away in the parking lot. The next night I think, was like three nights of ralphie- may
and I went in there and I just kind of did what I've been doing for like the last nine months on the road and a lot of it was very funny and the audience was fantastic and so the owner? I came up the arse it like. I played this place again anytime. Thank you so much and he said well. You know where we are anytime, we loved it. We like you and you're, always welcome here and that you know it was my audience for a comedy audience. I said how do he showed his ios sold out in a day I mean your name, and I think, but uh this is, but I said so, the audience. Will I recognize these people? This is my local comedy crowd they just they just know you from sons of anarchy or whatever so we'll see how you go, and it was fine and it turned into like this. Two hour laugh riot, I mean it was just great. Is a super fun? If you don't have an opening act, anything you know
from an office just me. Can I ask you a professional questions or feel free to edit this out when you're on stage and like you're, doing like a big theater like we're here, the main die like a big Saturday night somewhere. How long are you on stage for usually, an hour and ten to an hour, and twenty minutes is eighty minutes, yeah, okay, I was fascinated 'cause I live in a bubble. I just do my own thing, I'm on stage for like two hours and forty minutes I bring an opening at and how would they do between twenty and thirty and how many openers one some as a bring to it's rare, but it's usually just for fun. So it is too early to people. The most yeah we'll do a total of forty minutes, and then there was a brief intermission, no no intermission. This is like me on one two: three yeah Bang, Bang, bang we go in the show could be eighty minutes. Ninety minutes and the whole thing you have. Two hours is like two point something hours. It could be two hours yeah easily yeah, but that's the whole night all night. Are you an you're on your own, with nobody, never
Ok, so there's always an opener, usually one, and so that's twenty minutes and seventy to eighty, so the whole night is a little less than two hours, depending upon the show whether or not we have two shows a night. A short show is an hour and a half which I love. I like a rock them sock, Umbro plus Hour and a half like a movie. You go to move, I mean it's two one slash two hours, even if it's really good it's like well, I know you feel out of sitting last twenty minutes. You really feel that lack of editing but an hour and a half as Bank Bank Bank Bank Bank goodnight yeah, and so how many two night two sets tonight. Do you do often yeah I'll do seven and I know yeah something like that I'll do that pretty often depending on the side is the venue. You know some places a giant place. Is one show or you know, but I've done I've done a lot of the the specially this last year. I did a lot of two shows a night in big, theaters and stuff. You know huh slot of turn around to cause it to get a clear out. All those people should get a new car
on in there. I just you know I I work alone right and I don't have a peer group really. If I do I'm not trying to find- and I I'm just curious about how other people do their thing, because I live alone in a tour bus like with you know it yeah road manager in a bus driver, merch guy and I've, no opener, it's to Australia, there's a rule. They want one for one, and so there's this open used for years on Australian up yeah. They want you, one american one austral, which I really like they these to do that with music. You know they don't do that with me. When I'm there bring american openers stay with me, the last few years, like I've gotten to bigger places, and my agent said: ok you're, going to have an opener but I've. I've used this guy used him he's he's done like shows with me for like three tours he's, hilarious, really low key is a really nice guy, I'm forgetting see the guy every three years. So it's not in the memory, but he's great he's super far is real smart and the auto
she loves him. I mean, I think, he's kind of known, but he's great and you just like- I don't know twenty minutes, whatever it is, and then I go do my thing, but that's per it's not, every city in Australia. It's like in a couple of places so that it's like some kind of thing: regional rules, yeah and it's happened a few times with he would do music, like ok, four guys on stage we're going to have a four person open or like ok, man, and I kind of like that like give the local band sometime or give the local guy am. I but in front of his hometown audience or let him tour with me. I love that idea, but that's the only time for every once in awhile is at Bonnaroo once and it was tremendous a lopsided. It was me in taking the taro amazing I don't know were very well, but I I've seen her on stage and she it's kind of she did exactly open for me, but she did like half an hour and I did like an hour is like in the they clear, the tent and then Cheech Merrin.
Came on, but Lewis Black was before me like three tent loads of people in one night at Bonnaroo and that's the A time of ever done. It is everyone's will be. The fifth civil war year, like the eight hundred to nine hundred and thirty guy, and then the one thousand o'clock guy comes on stage, but quite often I'm just on my own on tour and I'm the only thing on stage is a different for me, I have to have my friends with me. Otherwise I get bored like I want. I go on the the gal. Almost everyone to take on the road with bees and national headliner would normally be headlining somewhere on their own. Like there's not a cool double yeah yeah, it's a cool double bill, but it's also. I want the best guys that I can find that I pay them well to go on in front of me. I don't I don't want it to be. Bad show by any stretch of the imagination. So I try to get the best guys, but also by that then I'm traveling, with the best guys were having fun like. Were you know it's a it's a with with the way it's a weird group like stand. Ups, there's
not that many of us is like, maybe a thousand of us in the whole country that are like real professional comedians, maybe five hundred headliners, the whole country. So this is this is just not that many of us and so when we we relate each other and sort of a a weird way. Yeah. Well, there's not many of you yeah, so good presidents get together, yeah four of them. They all right, Sir kind of choppy because they might be opposed, but they all come to know through the only people who know that stuff, especially when they're out socially in there. They did their time yeah they can relax and they just look like they've, been sucked dry by a vampire That's why I notice, when the uh, when Obama welcomed the President Elect Trump to the oval office, for that ninety minute meeting that Trump was going to last fifteen minutes or Obama, looked like Tutankham moon. He just like his like skin, was so drawn across his face like a snare drum. He must be exhaust is, I think it is for legacies can show they can over. Just any president, like George W Bush was to meet a
and some energetic guy when he got into office, but eight years in nine hundred and eleven and the invasion occupation, Iraq on the way out his face had fallen, his hair had died. I I'm not a guy who hates him just disagrees, but the president killed that guy I mean, I just think the stress, because you don't get the nice phone call hey the cat. We got the cat out of Braintree, it's like hey. We lost eight guys that thing you said go it went s well, I'm very curious to see how Trump comes out this 'cause he's one of the older guys to get in there. I think he seventy or seventy one right and just in the past year, like there's a picture of Bush for two thousand and two see what I'm saying: that's crazy it just it kicked his ass, yes and I'm not trying to put him in the Pechora was just rude. It's just what the allergy it's like when you see those really amazing photos of Lincoln during the civil war or Linda in Johnson in those think too,
like meetings him in Mcnamara his face is sliding off his skull. 'cause he's getting those phone calls his last six. Six hundred, guys, Mister President, really, sorry to give you this news. 'cause, he insisted on getting the bad phone call and you see what it does to a human being, and I noticed it with Bush and Obama 'cause. Those were trying times for both president, so trying very trying administrations and I wonder what it's going to do to a guy who doesn't take care of himself who is carrying a lot of weight. Probably nowhere near the best diet, and I don't I hope he doesn't have some kind of heart attack. I mean I'm not the kind of guy who won people to die. He easily could put a man. You look at me, like man, you need to listen to the White House Doctor get on a plan because they can really rock you. They can help. You lose forty pounds,
by spring of next year, and you can really be feel better. You look at me, like man, there's someone in the White House who can help you with that, like their pay to get you on the track every morning they could get him up at five hundred in the morning. Get him out there and it's not going to do it. He's gotta watch Fox. Do something to agree or disagree with those people on the tv is too bad because of president has all those people who are like red either already in their jogging outfits like a dog who wants to go to the park, waiting to train him and his son and dietitian they could like rock, those calories. How did you wants it? I don't think it gives people you have to currently drinks, like twelve diet, cokes a day, that's one of the things they were saying with that wind. That window you are talking about would you do eat? Are you eating? You have a family yeah? Is it the dinner table laughing at home with with a lot of times? That's that's the meal. Yeah is your family. Is that meal targeted like nutrition, for the key
is nutrition for data me or do you guys eat smart? Are we, the kids actually eat very healthy yeah we've been eating together, really healthy, since they were babies, that's all and they always vegetables, and you know some healthy meat. They eat a lot of a lot of wild game because I hunt right, you know so the the really healthy they ever at It's an interesting thing with kids too, if you, if you shield from interesting foods like my eight year old, loves kimchi spicy korean fermented cabbage, which to a lot of kids, would be disgusting. She loves it. She eats like fucking plates of it and because of that she rarely get sick. You know she. She eats a lot of probiotics and healthy foods. They're always eating fruit and vegetables. They've been doing it to their little kid. We don't stop them from eating candy, but I do tell them what candy is- and I showed them- that sugar documentary and I've talked to them in length about
sugar- didn't used to be something that people ate all the time and it's a really recent thing. I've showed them photographs of people from like the eighteen, hundreds in the early 1900s. Like look with these people, look like they were thin. There were different, they have different diet, but now we just see two, the carbohydrates and it's it's fine, every now and then like don't keep it from yourself but understand this empty calories and they make your body they actually make you tired one thing: I've noticed. I look at people when I travel I just our species is fascinating. All over the world. You look at people's teeth, parts of the world were sugar and corn syrup. It's not normal. Is seventy five year old women like caring, a couch up a hill and their teeth? Are these bright white tree trunks, just like of like they're never going to fall out of their heads and like no dentistry, you know that no noticeable dent
stream. The teeth are gleaming white, maybe darken from tobacco or tea, but nothing like in the West were there. Teeth are just getting a song did by our own diet, and you see people of great age with, like they they're just ripped, and you look but they are eating like fish, rice, vegetables and it's all liens smart food in it, sugars are all, mono saccharides, like fruit, sugar The occasional Anna Orange is a treat, but you know the sugars really not in the diet, at all maybe, or should it be, but not like? We are doing it. Now one's ever done it by the way we're doing it and no one's ever been is fat. You know, and then we have these things to shield people from we call it fat shaming, you know, don't tell someone their fat, let them just be morbidly,
obese and go through life at a massive risk of heart attack or stroke or diabetes, don't say anything 'cause, then you'll hurt their feelings and while you you could say something to someone and it might be uncomfortable in the moment. I hate MIKE. Listen. I don't want to be that guy, but you gotta lose some weight and then that guy could go and look in the mirror and go fuck. I really do need to lose some weight and then they'll lose some weight and they'll be healthy and they'll talk to you for five months later go. You know you fucked my head up that day and because of that, I really started changing the way I eat and I'm so much healthier, and I feel better because he's your friend my friend Tom Sick, Bert Kreischer, they did this thing last well. Two years ago they had a weight loss, competition and one of the things that they kept doing is fat. Shaming each other like ruthlessly and they would use hashtag bird is fat, Hashtag, Thomas FAT, and they had this weight loss. Compet
and they fucking both laws, a shit load of weight. I think they both lost between fifty and sixty pounds and they looked fine fucking incredible but then after it was over Tom was like dude. Let me tell you something: fat shaming works. It works. It got me off my ass, I realized I was a fat fuck it made me lose weight. It doesn't feel good. That shaming thing is you fat, shaming, doesn't work on people weren't fat, ok, it works on people who have a problem, but don't want to address that problem. So you bring up that problem and then so you're making me feel bad by thinking about my problem, you're, a bad person. No, you have a weak spot that weak spot shouldn't, be there should we shouldn't delay. Britain constantly ridicule, someone for being fat, but the idea that you never supposed to bring it up even with someone you care about, even in jest or friends, busting balls like no. No, you should bring it up because that that bad feeling is a gift
it makes you realize, like. Oh, my god, I've been remiss. I haven't been paying attention to my own physical sovereignty. You know I have control over what goes in my body. I have control over the am I calories. I take in the kind of calories I have control over how much body fat I'm carrying around and there's ways to fix it. I think you should use disk rush, yes and she did not in line at the supermarket to people you'd like yeah. You know it's just, but it was funny to hear Tom. Just getting angry is like fucking fat, shaming works, and all these people to say, don't fat, shame, fuck! That's how I got skinny achieving works yeah in till you, but you know again: yes, don't be rude, someone out in public for no real drive an eleven year old to suicide. If we don't do that, but so yeah, I I but the little kids, the worst because, like their parents, a get him hooked on those sugary sodas and once the God Damn Sodus man
That is one of the primary causes for people being fat in this country, and it just seems so innocuous. It's just in a glass I'll just drink. This got some ice cubes, no big almost done so fast, paced praying the weekends I like ginger beer and that the Underberg. It's the same powers of coke. I mean it's a lot of sugar and I buy a four pack and I have one bottle away Saturday night by big drink, like MOO discipline he's going nuts looking he's got his drink, nothing! just the best tasting stuff, but man, it tastes good for a reason, is so sweet and, like use I want the next one when you're done, but man I I and I could drink them all day, but I just can't do that to my system. So I do want a week. That's good discipline yeah, but it's like you know something to look forward to you have a diet that you follow other than that yeah I mean I
love ice cream, so I I don't eat it. You know I I try not to because this I just my body is slow down with age as can't shed pounds. I've never really had a weight problem. I I've never like! Oh, I gotta like lose thirty pounds. I just don't my metabolism. Is such an moist kind of like a Greyhound like. It was kind of nervous and you are always working out as well yeah, but I also have always kind of like doing something yeah and just kind of uptight, kind of nerve E. When you the last time you were about the fact that your parents had you on Ritalin from the time you were really small boy yeah. Do you think that just like wire, you increase or anyway. I I don't know, but I I mean I would need a doctor to tell me, but it was a it's: not a subtle drug, so you're a little kid, but I trying it is clean, as I can, because more energy less need for sleep. And not feeling so bad all the time mentally, like not feeling I don't want to do anything with a good diet.
Feel better mentally and, like I said before, I've been struggling with trying to feel. Ok, not me, you need to feel good. I just want to be neutral just like hot, in deficit. Ok to be here, that's all! I want not asking for much and good. I found a good diet, really really rocks that where I feel when I do the bad meal like I had depression. Like tons of carbs for like a day later, I'm just like man. I'm feeling every bite of that, and so I don't want to feel like that. So I'm like nope, can't do that 'cause, it's just not worth it. So what kind of food you eat like was the typical meal for you today I had a salad with some chopped up chicken with a low calorie dressing on it. In a cup of coffee, massive carrot, juice with a splash of beet juice and probably a cup of half a cup of coffee, the other half of the cup. I started the stats for dinner
He I was basically the salad with chicken. Is your your whole day, yeah I'll you tomorrow, while I'll be good and hungry tomorrow? If I'm feeling like, I can't sleep, I'm distracted from hunger, I've got some peanuts in my room, an awesome, a handful of peanuts see very clean. You need very clean by that time. All over, I thought very clean was like some kind of thing. No, no! No! I I trainee clean because I have found. I get great results with it like it is no joke. It totally works and I as we do in our line of work, I got a lot of stuff coming up a lot of stuff right. You know I got tv show a lot of shows a lot of a couple of speeches. I got a Gina class at UCLA. What will one day come November, but the Ching they just want me to talk about music and culture, and I just got asked to talk about change at
other place, and I have a bunch of shows coming up from here to Kiev, Ukraine and there's a lot of marks. I gotta hit it's just what I do and so I'm basically get I'm, ready to walk out of the house until about Christmas and hitting marks and not screwing up day after day and after night, and so diet is a lot goes into that prep big time, well, that it makes sense if you were, if you're, demanding that much out of your body really don't want your body struggling with shity nutrition. I can't afford it like. I, my car can't go off the road. I can't fail, I'm going to be screwing up like if I that set I'm going to be on a tv show soon. I can't not no the lines. I can't be tired. I can't look like I haven't slept. I got to be a game. Bing vitamins or supplements or anything like that. I try and I forget, and then they go stay
Well, I you know, I have the five lined up my friend, Heidi said, okay here here and I got into it and I you know, actually they get put in the cupboard I and then you look at like three years ago, and so that's why I do like the care B choose just so that those kind of vitamins are coming through, and I do that, like almost every day, I just like the way it tastes to arm. No, I I can't I've never been able to stick with it. I just forget Mmhm yeah, if you ever anything that you like took the give you great benefits, I can never noticed how much is the only thing I've ever noticed is restorative sleep for just general concentration well being and the cleaner I eat the better. I feel caffeine. I don't know if I get jumped up on
I can't tell, and so is, is far as anything I've ever done. Working out is an anti depressant. Good diet is an anti depressant and makes me a more efficient way when awake other than that, like I don't I've never taken cod fish, oil or whatever said wow. My joints feel better I've, just maybe I'm just I'm not aware enough or I'm not expecting it to work. So I I have no thing I can hold up and go this. This really helped me besides physical fitness, doing the work done like you want to alleviate anxiety before an audition rehearse go in prepared and then there's nothing to be worried about he can't wait to show the guy what you got right and so preparation, good diet and am finishing the thing. So you can really clear the deck those are the things 'cause. For me, my whole life is don't be depressed. I work so hard not to feel bad.
A lot of what I do is to not feel really that it's interesting you've chosen to do this in a non pharmaceutical way. Like specifically, do you feel like you've strategies just afraid of it yeah? I just don't believe that someone I don't know can come up with the drug. That's going to work for my unique little mind and ice. I think people on antidepressants such as so how's that working for you, like, I think I'm lose my mind. I've been doing this for three months and I don't know who I am right now like. Ok, I have that problem anyway, so I don't want any pharmacy. To enhance that, I'm just basically afraid that's a legitimate concern. Yeah. I think the brain is real, fragile and uh. Not one of those types. You say all medication is bad. I'm not that having to do with the brain. I'd rather just deal with what I got right and use these more kind of
on the ground. Ideas like I'll, just sweat, alot, and we do a lot of pull ups and whenever I do You all look like a tunnel push up, so I get on the stationary MIKE or whatever I do feel better and when I the lean fish salad. You know the salmon in the spinach. I do feel better. I feel great and that's that's good enough for me. Yeah you've got successful, allergies, they were there in order for me yeah yeah. Now, when your you mean you do so many different things at this point of your life, do you have like specific goal? Is that you set out for the year or you where you would like to be a year from now or do you just do things that are really interesting to you and just pursue them with passion and just let the chips fall where they may? I do that, and I don't have a goal like it at. Sixty five I want to be here. I have no idea where I'll be I'm trying to get ready for two thousand and nineteen. I have no plans yet I'm just hoping for a lot of work,
I don't have those kind of long range plans I'm a short ranged to know ranged person. Anna part of my motivation is vengeance, and I know that revenge and vengeance are synonyms right. However, the fact that revenge has read in it like you do this, I do that right. Vengeance is just like the difference between aggression and hostility. Were you aggro? No, I'm hostile. What does that mean WHAM with the ashtray? That's how facility right you just hit me yes, but I'm not aggressive. I just like watch. Can you bleed, and so right and I'm not saying it makes sense. I do, and so I don't believe in for tat, I believe in tat watch we just jump up and down
just break it all that you want to prove yourself. Yes, this is a primary motivation, so I wake up every day, one to get back at every teacher, every guy at school, bad boss, who, whatever parent, irked me and like every day I out everything you man and that's. Why I like hey it's four in the morning. You want to work yet like work, in a snow storm. You know someone I know like they go on vacation I'll, have a nice vacation and every day, you're getting tan, I'm not quitting like it's ridiculous. It's I'm an eleven year old. It's in is ridiculous, so juvenile and it's it's not cool, but it fuel in some way. I don't spray paint your house on that. I'm not flattening your tire, I'm just working and was so because I didn't get up early enough and get how do you get it five of those, because I got up at three
and I stood outside and I ate this rat tail and I climbed the wall. I got it and I got two of them and because You could have none like just I'm so mad! I'm not trying to get somewhere by stepping on you to use your ladder rung, you click. This! This is not something you ever plan on. Abandoning it's the corner. I come fighting out of its. My true north is like oh yeah. Alright, you yeah it really works, it's not like I'm not. I would never cheat someone out of something or steal from them, but whoever gets up clear is going to get it. Then I just won't sleep tonight. My anger will keep me awake. What are you having for dinner this and that's all I need, like you say. I can't like well just sit up all night
as I that's all I need. Who are these people like when you say you say I can't. Does anybody really say you can't this point? Timer though people yeah the manufacturer, you can yeah. So you have these people in your head is hand you your loser, all I'm a loser. What the are you yeah, yeah yeah, and this this doesn't mean I'm walking over to hit somebody. I don't know that I'm not looking to get beat up, I'm just motivating yourself yeah and I don't have it t, I'm not a bunch of don't rush, I'm just all I got is me so I get the pompoms out Gogo pushing back pushing like all I got is me I'm up in my office. You know like at four hundred in the morning. Just like. Ok, I'm on australian jet lag, I'm going to make it work. I've been up since one hundred and thirty I'm going to for sixteen hours, and I do why 'cause I'm mad at it. Do I need to write another book. Probably not must die yes.
I know I must put that into the world, and so you create these people that are telling you can't do it tells me I can't to work in I make money, I never counted. The account does I just we talked a few times I coming in. I just say it might doing anything horribly wrong and she'll say it wolfram, your receipts. It doesn't look like you eat very much, but you sure seem to like records. Are you eating those but pass that I just book it put me in there like now. Here's five shows can have five more, so I don't really count I want to do well. I want to pay my bills and I don't want to lose my house. I want to keep eating and filling the car with gasoline and go into the growth restore, but I'm not just trying to hey. I got a lot of money. I can hang around. I got some money in excuse me, really gotta go. We still drive that boring car the Mazdas.
Yes keys. Get me if made a bet. Yes, you were boring, but damn you keep starting on. Yeah got me here. I love japanese cars. I got it because hi he said you're getting this car, the the other car I had they took from me. Okay, what would you the powers that be I was the voice of infinity car for about five years and they give you a new car every year and that's a good car little nice. That's a great glad. One of those big q. Trucks, those q with whatever they are, that great and it's the car of the future and when they can't check finally came to an end, they said: ok will come and get the car. This is a perfect example. Joe will come and get the car in thirty, and so what no come and get it Morrow morning screw you screw your car. And I said to Heidi 'cause she's, the brains. I said I need a new car because you're getting a Mazda six, it's going to be blue and I'm picking the interior, Why did you just get an infinity, you're, driving,
forever they you they didn't want me anymore. I mean good things come to an end. Wow? Double think you don't want me anymore to the lot and two hours later I park the Mazda six next to the infinity that got to, and while I was on the set of a tv show the next morning and I drove my new car to the set Anne I kind of shit compared to the infinity, though, isn't it's a different kind of right? It makes it makes you very humble. 'cause you floor in the nine durables go come on working in the sunflower seeds fallout and every other passes you about coming and you get used to a nice ride, but it some that was that She said, oh yeah, what you will take a couple of days ago. No new car right now
it's my question. Like nine hundred am tomorrow forward a really nice car mean you work really hard. Do you take any station or do you yes have any like happiness? You derive from a buying something I I know you have a really great serial, stereo yeah. We talked about it last time you hear you giant speakers, yeah, that's what I don't want a car that has a crazy stereo as well. I just go to trader Joe's in auditions and to the Rogan. Yeah? No, I live uh, really utilitarian life like in LA when I'm off the road. You don't even wear a watch. Now I use the phone. Use the watch for my travel just so I can just like see the time see the time, but when I'm off the road I just use, the phone is just laziness. I I live very utilitarian here, 'cause. Basically, I'm just counting down the days before I leave again 'cause. A lot of my work happens out in the world location like a film,
more tv show, or just touring or traveling last year, high, He said something funny shit, you're driving me crazy. At the office like pacing and huffing and puffing like a wild animal, she said I'm going to book you a trip, and you can't know where you're going to the day, you leave I'm just going to get you out of here for ten days to life, you're driving me crazy. I will kill you so I said book it So I said, all I need is the right electrical plug in the basic temperature range, so I know how to pack she gave it to me and I picked the itinerary up gun in the car to go to the airport. This nice lady, take me to the airport. She was where we going today HUN I said. Let's see where the boss is sending me, I said, I'm going to Lima, Peru and, so, I was in Lima and Cuzco for a week working on my book, manuscript and walking the streets up in the peruvian Andes, up in Cusco, and so a lot of my life happens
put in the world. So when I'm here, I'm just editing and prepping to get outta here and so a car Lo Maine, it's close low maintenance, inconspicuous right right right and to try not to have anything on this shirt. I'd love to have a listen to black Sabbath t shirt on I'd, wear that when every day I love that shirt, but always trying to slip through crowds in just head down yeah. Just blank close, that's a you have a very interesting philosophy and, like I said, the your work ethic and your fought It's very inspiring 'cause. It makes me want to work more. It really does. When I talk. You are listening to get plenty to answer. I know I do, but that's one of the reasons why do is because I get inspired by people like myself. I get inspired by you and and other people like I love getting inspired. I I ii I live for really Sala, Terry Life, but I have a lot of heroes. I'm a fan of ends in people I just I did presidents in and other people, another
countries, I I go to see bands play and they don't know what I have all the records. I have. The the the bootleg sums super fan of so many people like a fraction, my age because need that I need to be pumped up by other people and it works. You put on someones record yeah, yeah man, that's great, who dies nineteen. What does he know plays a guitar better than off ever I mean like what are you talking about, and so you can come in all kinds of ways. I mean people, amazing people when I travel, so I need that in the only thing good. Let me, in my opinion, is what I do ' I'll help. You move your house I'll help. You move or paint your house, but I don't want to come to Thanksgiving dinner. I I really don't, but if you're in trouble all drive from here to to all, hi, to get you out of trouble, I'm so happy to bail you out of a jam, but I don't want to come over
I don't want to come over for the holidays, and I bless you're, William Shatner yeah, weird right. So what's about me, hang out with you might you know just know about your books are interesting. Thank you. Let me go right up. That's the only the the when I'm on stage got the books of the radio show, I do in case your w. That's my great human greatest hits the rest of my life, I'm just a nervous wreck trying to get somewhere on time and kick ass, and so I travel months at a time with manager. Ward, my road manager, many years at top guy, fantastic guy, there's hours at go by where we don't talk, he's got a life. I
I have a life, we sit on the bus in hours, go by and there's no sound. He set the tv. What are signs it's fine, but I'm bought my the what's good about. He is what you see on stage on the page when I do my little radio show the rest of it. I'm not good friend material, but I will help your ass out of a jam. Like hey I'm in long beach. Can you come bail me out of jail? It's three in the morning, I'm so ready to do that, for you like that, It's a very unusual quad. I don't know why it is. Why do you find? I don't know? It doesn't bug me at all. I'm just happy to kind of be the dog with a blog. The bottle of alcohol, yeah yeah running up the hill. 'cause, I'm so happy to get you out of a jam just ache to meet the family. Please don't make me meet your face. How did you meet Joey Jimmy you meet. I think
Heidi set that up. You never met him. I think that was via Heidi Virou you I knew who he was and he's a really lovable guy. As soon as I met him, I liked them. By seeing them online. When I met on my route, there's nothing not to like yeah, so honest he's, full full exposure like who who he is you get it in sixty seconds and I think that's what people like him, 'cause, there's no bs and, like you know, there's the good, the bad of anybody, He lets you know who he is in the first five minutes. You can take her, leave it yeah, but there's no ambiguity and I really like being around that because you can be yourself because he is shown off being himself yeah he's not holding back. That's a really good way of looking at it. You can be yourself because he is being himself totally in and he's not going to judge you on. That is going to give you the free
going to be himself but give you also the freedom to be yourself unlimited. It was we we spoke for a while on his podcast the great time and he's one of those guys if he called me at three hundred in the morning, hey I'm in trouble. I'm in San Diego off my hold on give me three hours. I mean I'll help you come to meet the family, please just said so specific send a card that so specific but uh, I'm just I don't want to come over, but one bullshit small talk and you got things to do and you're obsessed, but but I'm I'm not a, but I'm trying to get across is I'm not mean spirited, I'm just so happy to help. Yes, just a little a lot of work yeah, but always ready to help. I think that this thing is the thing of the awkwardness is the fuel? It's like we're talking about about having impostor syndrome that I don't think it ever goes away. I thought one day it would go away, I'm more
comfortable meeting famous people now than I've ever been before, but I still feel full of shit. I think you these will and everybody that ever talked to that's any good. They all say the same thing like they all kind of feel like no one ever feels like there any special and you always like, if any good, they don't now, and you always ruthlessly self critical and try to get better. I mean with big actors: big move, big rock stars in the big rock stars, like one big rock star once at one time said to me, I and he said: is there anyone out there? I said I, like nineteen thousand people, you smell the Wd40, that's how they got the last one thousand people in are you kidding is that I'm always worried that no one's going to show up. I said: when was that ever been your problem he said, will never, but who is this Ozzy Jesus Christ yeah just one of my favorite people? He says he's another guy he's a honest, how many people
Hermosa I went up there. Man, I said, are you kidding we're like in from Florida in megaton those will be anyone other my oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, and he goes out there in the place goes nuts. The show is great, and I said you worry bout people to show I'll get really depressed about. Ok, I did the beat in theater once many years ago in New York, beautiful room, love that place. I was I was a a few days later I was at MTV doing something with like Matt Pinfield or somebody else living in New York and I'm leaving in the courtesy, lady, but Hey George Carlin is in, the Green Room and he wants to meet you and what wait a minute, dumb question the George Car, 'cause. I've been listening to that guy, since I was in eighth grade it clown occupation. Fool actually came out for me to go to the rec '
the store. They were not nice price records. They were what was on that's how old I am memorized by eighth grade, of course- and I said, George Carlin wants to meet me: ok, walk in and there's George Carlin he's there to promote his next HBO thing and he's to do like. Like multiple nights at the Beacon theater place. I would never sell out he's going to do a month there. Whatever he's a damn, I said: Mister Carl Sargon, George, I'm like wow. He said you did a book signing the other night at Tower records, but yeah, it's all. Man was so close in line for like half an hour and finally so cold. I went home. I said you waited in line to meet me like yeah. Why don't you just walk in like? I can't do that? Man? the beacon I said yeah I was amazing, he said. Did they get the jokes? I the Okay, I'm not that's! Not really. What I do. I said, I'm sorry. What do you mean he was like? Did you did? Can you
to the audience from that stage I said it's actually a pretty big place. That's a lot of feet before the first row. I said, yeah said Jerk George Carlin. I think you're going to do ok, but he was sincerely wondering like. Is it going to be ok in there I'm like? Are you kidding? You were handcuffed with Lenny Bruce in the back of a cop and you're asking me if it's going to be ok was he handcuff of labor yeah? It's in that great book. It's in that crate Look, ladies and gentlemen. Lenny Bruce it at that book is a great read, read and a half I read it like twenty two years ago is fantastic. I think I read that long ago too. If you forgot about Dre was a time when, as you know, the first amendment was not being used in Lenny. Bruce is life towards the end of his life, and that was every stand up thing he did was about the law towards the end and using doing a show. One night George Carlin was their underage and
George said something and they were waiting. They pounced on him and then they went through the crowd, Ididido Camire youngster and they handcuff them together, and that's how you met Lenny Bruce Friday said no. I have met him before, but she said like we were literally one pair of handcuffs together just like the book, but I thought that's easy, that's how we met, I said. So. How did you guys meet? He said: Lenny Bruce was very sympathetic to young comma. So what we would do is like he said, give me your best five minutes and he would critique us says he try Take your mtri said. No, no, no, we just said. Look, ok, leave that part out. That part sucks do more of that and that first part put it last. You would help, and he said he was great with all the young comics. He said like Gimme, your stuff. Ok, here's how you read make it better. I said so you had known it before. You said yeah, I said again: Lenny Bruce to me is a real getting a hero and inspiration fought back and I walked out
there into like you know the freezing New York to take the enter the are back down to the EAST village, like I put the fact that here's this guy, the point I'm making is stone cold pro anywhere. Where I sell out half the tickets, he does twenty nights there I mean you'll never get out of that shadow, and even he is saying hey. I have a question I found with all of your big actors and big the ones the ones I've worked with. They are obediente to them, use they work for the art They are so subservient to. The job is not about hey, I'm rich unpopular like damn it I gotta make this script come to life and they fear it like someone on their first job and there I have been a middle period like in the 70s. They had their idiot phase for three years and they kind of went sideways. Big actors. I've worked with her just so like. Ok, this take is everything and it's a good lesson. You like,
Okay, never lose that yeah, because that's what you have when you're young and you're coming up and you start to show promise yep and somewhere along the line. The the it seems like some people, get a to this mindset that they deserve it and when they deserve it, it's a terrible thing that happens to comedian. There's, something that happens comedians when they can't relate to people anymore and they stop being relevant and buy. George waiting in line to see you outside in the cold shows that he never really got to that place. That bad plays, and he was probably the most prolific stand- of all time. 'cause you never stopped. He would do a fresh HBO hour every year every year he would just sit down. He would write it all. He would write, get it all out and then he would just kind of fine tune. It sort of like you were saying you do they would find tuning and performance after performance in the put it on HBO and then start work on the next one and then just Crankum out yeah.
I was told by someone who had him in his venue in northern California. He just sits in front of the mirror, before the show and as the whole show at hyper speed in a low voice. I did that on a tv show, once means. The actors is one of the actors ideas, they ok, everyone in my trailer and we did the whole show at hyper speed in a low voice standing in a huddle. It was really cool 'cause. He was like in each others face going on that's funny, and we just kind of did it like this crazy mumbling fest for like twenty minutes and were like. Ok, ok, we got it. We went out there and it is like live in front of a tv audience and is like I've never done that before he was real cool and apparently that's how George prep wow that's interesting. I don't know anybody else who does that most people don't even look at themselves. They don't stand in front of me. They just don't look at myself, but I do one thing that actually works. I pace and I
I quote: Lincoln Speeches is a centering exo size really yeah specially is speech from like January 19th. One thousand, eight hundred and thirty eight give me some famous speech. He said when he was talking about. Will America ever be taken over by anywhere else and he said no. The only way America is going to falls from within. So he said should we fear some transatlantic giant across the ocean and crush assetta blow. Never all the country country. You know. Asia, Europe and Africa with all their war. Chests combined ours with treasures of the world are accepted and Bonaparte as a commander could not into have a thousand years so much as take a sip from the Ohio river or on the on the on the blue Ridge mountains, if suicide If destruction be our lot, we we must either live all time or die by suicide, and I just take
chunks of that speech. 'cause there's! So it's like two thousand eight hundred and twenty nine years of age is so eloquent. A sentence of Lincoln is worth ten of anyone else's it's all online for free, but go to free speech to the young, men's lyceum or the perpetuation of our government institutions. And it's like three thousand two hundred words and it's. Will be the best thing you read this week and how does it work is a centering exercise. I don't know getting the Lincoln framework where words matter to him. He's a lawyer and a politician so he's a double bastard. I was in the fault of the limb in museum in Springfield a few years ago? They let me in and they are pulled out of one of his Bobbi for skin top hats and they they won't. Let me touch, of course I didn't try, but the weather gloves, pulls it out and said: do you notice an indentation on the right side of the brim? Did you? What do you think that is? I said, let me guess there there's one on top and two
I thought I looked, and there was I said: that's him doffing his cap, his hat over and over again, which will wears out the beaver skin He said yeah. How do you think he wore it out? I said he's a politician Anna lawyer, so he's trying to get everyone's vote and win so good morning good morning, good morning world. So I have a office and I'm running for office, and he said yes, probably it and on the c, but either scan liner. Yeah. Well, it was the outside of it, and this is those famous hats you psalm in the Lincoln Museum they have one in the vault and literally he wore out the hide but I use Lincoln and amendment from the constitution. The 14th is this: is it's in like four parts or five parts is the top parts for the people, the rest is legalese and I'll. Do that or the fourth amendment, the privacy one, that's a great one. It's not completely in the front of my brain pan, but I carry a copy of the constitution,
me whenever I travel and I opened it like people open the Bible and all this pick an amendment and read it really yeah I I have a one of those. The constitution for Idiot books were like lawyers right about here is when it was brought into law. Here's why? Here's, what it means in Layman's terms- and it's never not interesting- to read it's constitutions- great, it is fascinating. We think this is an experiment, self government that these people from three hundred years ago put together kind. They they kind of, are gods to me in that they couldn't see the future. Maybe they couldn't see the a r fifteen, but Jefferson and company definitely saw how easily corruptible humans are a little bit of power. We can get a little crazy at American Demar She is really all about the checks. You you're a badass but not bad asses Congress Congress is going to. Check we're seeing that with Trump I mean with Trump or were essentially seeing
the reason why all these checks and balances are put in place in the first place because the guys like him, because we a president, comes from we the people, it can be you or me potentially, and I think the framers really saw that like it should be from the people. So we gotta put this person in checks because he might the failed businessman. Bad reality show actor who doesn't understand. I have to read one thousand five hundred pages of stuff this weekend and have five lawyers. Advise me know golf for fun for Maine, I'm the president and a lot of presidents do understand before they go in like boy, this. Job is going to be boring and a lot of people are going to be mad and in my lifetime we finally have a president who really is from the p who says, looks at like you know. Here's eighth older stuff to read and like? I don't think so, give me the cliff notes: yeah like I'll play it from the hip, like no I'm going to watch Fox
Friends, you tell me what I need to know, and you know it's not for me to sit in Ripon, the guy 'cause he's not here to two defend himself, but never in my life have I ever watched an american president thought to myself. I could have done better in that situation, residents. I've had nothing but disagree with, but they were way better for the job than I ever could be. I look at this guy and go like man. You just got played an. There's something out when I knew I was going to be talking to you there's a thing I was thinking about, like I thought I heard you speak many years ago about these politicians. Are gangster he's like okay? What that guy did that Bing Stuff and what this guy just did straight up gangster does during the Bush administration. You are just. I think it was like Halliburton. All these p, the Cheney World and you're like that's a gangster move. That's a gangster moving like. I can't disagree with anything he just said and on that kind of level, I think what I never here is,
Donald Trump, is a guy who gets consistently played against, but she comes from a really tough part of the world. Slovenia, that's just a rough patch. Are real estate she's, smart, she's, tough and she got out got to America. Well, he's not much on looks, but it's a way in from the storm, so he got played by his wife. He got played by Paul man a fort he got played by Kim Jong. He got played, like Jimi, Hendrix at Monterey, that that particular Stratocaster by Vladimir Putin and gets played like Rachmaninoff every single day and anyone he does high stakes business with or negotiations he gets played, played in and Manafort just used him.
Try and you know, get out of debt an all these other people We just roll all over him an unfortunately his Hehe Obras is such is like haha, like no dude. You just got blown out and, like everyone around, you is playing you. We probably doesn't feel that way with Manafort, because Manafort's on trial and he's not yet right, but Manafort play freedom, because Manafort really does play in that world of old barks and millions of dollars in laundering money. If he wrote a book, I was telling someone the other day. I have all these people. He should write the book as it would be a page turner if he told the truth would get him killed touch the wrong door. Knob right and you get poisoned because, like sign a prudent can't have him telling what he knows he's a a mandate he would probably will go to prison watching have some kind of strange accident. Like he was liquefied in the shower something about the water,
because he knows a lot and there's a lot of people who can pay a lot of money to keep his mouth shut. Yeah. We know what fasting to me is that over the last year or two, especially from the Fox crew you're, seeing Vladimir Putin admired yep, very strange size. I never thought we would see that I was watching this something a couple of years ago. A year ago, and I was like some guy well he's a good christian man and beliefs and family and, like he's the butcher of Chechnya, yeah, let's flashback to the nineteen sixty is a young boy. On the weekend visit with my father to the right of my Father is a wall, there's nothing to the right of my father, just nothing, and if still with us, he'd be in his 90s hard as a rock. Just like nothing he's a a bar of hickory anyway he's an economist, these numbers guy and a phd rules.
I'm coming home to my mom's apartment from this Saturday Sunday visit with dad. When will Washington DC area, little boy, five years old somewhere around there very small, arguably to a five year old kind of sounds the same: I'm in the Big Buick station wagon to my father's right, we're pulling up to mom's apartment Henry dad. Are you a communist? I don't think my Facial expression changed his right hand. Came off the wheel. Edges back hand collided with my head is just like. I hear the word communist a boy gets smacked There was without hatred or violence. It was like national security like Wack, he didn't. No, we did it. It was like a sneeze like Kapow and it hurts so much. My head went numb and it
was not even the pain. It was like the shock of of your dad whacking you with with you, had no idea what you did and all I could do was hyper ventilate and he opened the door and he let me out it is a word. He didn't tell you that there's a difference in a communist in an economy, sir, so I let you go here for like to like thirty three yeah. You know what I mean, because it's so destabilizing like your dad, just walloped you and I get out of elevator, I go into the apartments mom right, but I did that till I was like you know till two years ago it was holy, she said honey. What happened! I said I ask if user Commish is like. Okay, the point I'm making is this: there's a bunch of people who voted for Trump, where you say Russia, they say bye, buncha, sons of bitches trust him. As far as you can throw your car. Are you kidding,
and when I see staunch conservative Republicans going well that, are you kidding people like my dad's? heads are exploding, he's an old cold war guy. We would wash boy This is Natasha whatever that cartoon as a Winkle yeah as a kid I'm laughing 'cause, guy with my dad's laughing on a whole other level, 'cause it's cold war funnies it was written for the parents. Skip the cartoon? The parents got the jokes. That was for adults. What, with their kids on sat Ok, you watch them later on your like. Oh, this is cold war humor I wouldn't have known, but that's my dad's world, you say, Russia, he probably hate my guts 'cause I've been there six times for shows and take the Trans Siberian Express, and so this warming up to a guy. Who is a true bad guy, he's scary, there's bodies buried cousin
he's one of the scariest guys on the planet and capably violent and we'll have you taken out. I mean like Anna Politkovskaya, one of one greatest journalists of our time. She was critical of poo, and then she got assassinated in her apartment building. Her books are great. Her books from Chechnya are amazing and like he was, she was, I love him and she had to go and when you see are present closing up to this guy, I just want to go. Let's talk, let's take a walk in the garden for twenty minutes. You can't be friends with this guy. My theory is he: he there there, there's there's some kind of finances. Where he's got gotta stick up form. I don't think it's a tape of people urinating on anyway. I think it would be too cliche to interesting. It's it's a money thing
it's a hotel deal it's money sitting in Cyprus, it's something but the fact that were being becoming ok with this guy. That is the part that bugs me the most and why people in Congress or Galaxy Sean Hannity, who, like probably likes communist as much as my dad. Even me, I don't trust people, like that. Putin is a criminal should be in jail for a million billion years. Okay, he's like when he's a strong leader He says a human being. We can talk like countries like Ex KGB guy who there's no This thing is an Ex KGB guy right, yeah there KGB for life for life and he's a supreme up. And what he does is he he rolls people like you, dude and like cut. You are a guppy he's a shark.
Good now, two guys hanging out. No one guy get the plate and one guy plane, someone. I think you'd Myers the fact that Putin's able to run his country the way does too yes and that's why he likes to tear take an owned and I've been tested. He said about uh. No, he said he's a strong head and I hit all those countries have been to the Philippines up into N Korea. There tough places to live and, like I don't want your country looking like those places, you don't want America to be like Russia, the economy is destroyed and there's a lot of people like in the winter time. It's really tough I think this is a blessing. He goes to jail. No, no because I don't believe in karma, karma. Here's, my two words that disprove Karma Dick Cheney, he's got a new heart in a new heart. He has no holes which is perfect. Lease got a pulse now with the new hard, okay killing machine. He has heard of wish yeah, which is what was perfect for him. Yeah
he may very well live 'cause. He looks like he's watching his weight now he's like looking lean. He might lift be like a hundred and five and so will never go to jail and like how many millions does he make a year just from his dividends from whatever like who knows what you do with that? money, I don't know what you do with it, and so I don't think he goes to jail. I don't think Jared Kushner goes to jail. I think it most. They leave like maybe next year and they go I drain the swamp. I did what I came here to do and the fake news media brought me down and all his people buy one of everything he makes forever steak vodka. I think it's possible to Donald Trump Junior goes to jail, it's very possible they're talking about Persia. Charges against him now, because his own dad admitted on Twitter, yes, yeah. I follow all that stuff. Is you know? I just don't think white color guide go to prison for stuff? I just don't believe it. You know. I just don't believe it. I want to be proven wrong, but I don't.
Of all the facts? I'm a I'm a news watcher! I know nothing. I don't get any classified briefs, so I only know what I read. If you talk about any of this stuff and your stage act a little bit, but knowing my audience, they're very sharp and they read the leaders and they don't need me repeating what they know by today, and so well good for you for that. If I make a point, as my dad used to say you want to score hidden where they ain't the baseball idea, and so, if I can make a point like if I was on stage tonight talking about TR, I would roll out that idea of Trump is a guy who's been played by so many people around him and no one talks about his wife playing him like there's. No love in that I don't think she saw a way out. Came to New York and went that guy gets naked with the toad a few nights a month, handful, a handful of prozac, some Stoli and a credit card and a seven figure expense account. You can
take a shower and make it go away. So I think he and I think he kind of knows that you know she was not like wow what a hot guy she's! Okay in this you know that happens. A lot in this town you'll see that the the couple you like, okay, yeah right, well Harvey Weinstein before his for his wife left him Harvey. What Steens wife is beautiful will be a, but you see that a lot in this town, where you see the the old weird dude with like the eight year old girlfriend like yeah. That's that's a set up, that's an agency, that's an agreement, someone's getting a salary or an implied it's there's some kind of quid pro quo, there's a credit card, there's an expense account or they're. Just like a big full of hundreds, and just let me show I want you for the next four weeks, your or whatever that you dream. It is so
if I was gonna say anything about Donald Trump on stage would be so looks into it. I never talk about any problem on stage and I learned this from of all people. President Clinton 'cause. This later speeches post presidency, I'm not a huge fan of the guy, but he's a good speaker, and he did some which is in the UK a few years ago. I happen to be in England when he was there, and I watched him on tv. The last part of use the last ten minutes. Is here's a problem here? Three solutions: here's another problem here: three solutions were like for six: two million dollars. We could put internet through this thing or we could open this waterway or we could reconfigure this workforce to upgrade. So everyone can get a paycheck. He just had logical ways forward. So what I took from that is to my audio don't propose a problem. Will he sucks thanks? Goodnight, don't give gordian knot, single. Actually, it's not accordion, not kissed. Three ways to get out of this burning wreck and so open when Trump became elected. It was always
contour. I was doing a bunch of nights in LA, and I said, okay new president, and some of you are depressed mmhm I said I know, and so gay people are on. The endangered species list is as if they've never been brown people, black people, women, people, people with ovaries. These are all on the you're screwed list so, instead of being coming to press and oh no, let's we get up, we start doing more benefits. Now, all your words matter, your actions matter how you stick up for your LGBT friends, really matters now how you stick up for women, how you? stick up for racial equality, equality in the workplace like How you check yourself when you rule a view with other people. Words Matter act, things matter more than ever, and so to
need is an exciting time to show how great you can be 'cause. Now it's all on the line the fat is off, the land were being tested. I love a test, so let's get it on it's like in your line of work when the guy goes here we go that's how I saw it like okay, let's, let's get the money to the ACLU, let's get some money to planned parenthood. Let's get a conversation going about world suicide intimidation to Facebook. Let's start making things better is this guy is not our ally not necessarily going to help at its best. It's inactive at its worst. It's devisive in predatory. So let's be the antidote by being cool by not throwing rocks through windows or, like you getting ago, the tiki torch and beating him up, but you're never going to convince that guy that he's wrong so get to the people. You agree with and let's start stick together more and raising more money and get some
interesting people in office and let's get some young people in office and I think that's what's happening like you're, seeing all these young people like 20s thirties. Sadly, there's a bunch of kids who died at a high school in Florida, but look what happened. Look at all those kids hit the streets. Look, these kids, whom, through cell phones and selfies and Instagram and Snapchat there already ready for prime time you see these high school juniors in front of a CNN camera going hi, I'm seventeen years old! This happen to my school and next year, I'm going to vote and here's what's going to happen and here's the march I'm starting like. Oh the future. Senator you just that's cool shooting, just birthed, a voting demographic. Are you kid All those kids are going to vote all of 'em, all those kids who marched there going to be no millennial apathy with those kids that are going to vote kind of an idea, what side they're going to vote with and if you think, you're going to sell those kids on their grandfathers drunken homophobe,
yeah racism and is overall bigotry and xenophobia you're wrong. He never had a password we need to travel, I don't want to meet some Damn mexican trust me, the kids going to travel, he's going to go to India she's going to go to, Columbia and meet other people and get a more global sense of the world, a sense of water food. Orgy, where it comes from what happens with money, what happens with mediocrity, the danger of it, so I think we're in for some tough times, but I think they're going to lead to good times and so That's what if I get political on stage, all I say is like here's. Five is forward because the despair part you like you need me to tell you you the news so don't get down on the mouth, start, burning, more calories and and that's not job, but I would never weigh in on stage any other way about that stuff 'cause. All I would be as obvious
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