The Joe Rogan experience well the lost art of night, making it's still alive, how are you man, I'm doing good man? I was coming down here, appreciate it sucking huge. I really appreciate you have me down it. Listen man! You made two awesome. Well, four awesome knives for me, but this one is one. I use all the time that I've posted on Instagram that people freak out as we were talking about before the podcast. It actually is meteor yeah meteorite, what's meteors a big one, meteorites a little one said the idea you know. Yeah sure the knife maker, so

didn't actually make it. So I made the knife I forge and I've, but the steel is, is a very special kind of steel that very few people can actually manufacture on a small scale in the world and that was made by my shop meet Peter Forsberg, and so he, the media right, is kind of a a small elements in the whole matrix, because most me right is all nickel or all iron, or something like that in this one particularly is a lot a nickel and some cold ball, and if you're gonna make it actually you double steel out of it. You can't really use a whole lot of it in the overall mixture mmhm. So is there any media rights remain all iron yeah. Definitely you just have to find them. You can find the ones yeah and their their impact sites all over the world like their hit no world all the time. How is a word?

Is it? Can you just take him like when they land? Is it yours? If you find it and you don't have to report it to NASA or anything right now, hey Bro found some space junk, Let me are so small that they, by the time they get here, hit the actual earth surface, they've completely disintegrated or burned up. So it's the really massive ones- and this was part of impact- I think in South America Oh wow. I can't remember where he's it's just crazy to think that this is a piece of space in their backyard in this dope pattern. I'm really in the craftsmanship man I always have been. I love handmade pool cues and this desk, which is a handmade desk and I You, like it's one of the things that I really appreciate in this modern digital world, and I,

so feel like. Unfortunately, it may be one of the things that slipping away. It definitely is slipping away. I think, with you know, with technology technology have been great for us in a lot of different ways like shouldn't- be talking talking into a piece of metal and it's recorded on a computer going through a wire fly into the air like it does a lot of great things, but in doing all those great things it actually has taken us away from really creating an working with our hands and so, like you know, even this whole like farm will movement where people even growing their own vegetables. You got your own chickens laying eggs three like knowing where this stuff is coming from? Having like first hand, contact with that, just having that relationship in general with it brings more value to the overall experience of eating those eggs or using that knife or sitting at this fucking table right here, and it seems

a fairly recent movement in that direction. Right like it feels like things got so, digital, the people like whoa whoa whoa with the Facebook and the fucking Graham, I want I I I you know. I want a wood table. I want to solve this, I'm in my self yeah your hands on it yeah. I don't want to stick yeah, I want real stuff and the do something about handmade things, whether it's a handmade pair of boots are handmade bag like this like there's something about things that are made by hand that people get like a deep appreciation of front for sure. Well, I think I think it also kind of goes back like I was saying, like this. Technology is advanced, we've kind of grown away from these kind of, what's considered, like blue collar work, yeah and craftsmanship kind of work, but I think people really are driven by a sense of achievement, an when you're doing that entry that literally millions of people fucking monkeys can be trained to do not to like

finish anything that anybody doing but literally like to be able to go into a craft and to an have a hands on experience is very very very, very different in that sense of achievement. Even when somebody comes out of something- and maybe I taught a class on how to make a knife- and it looks like a fucking turd they're, going to think it looks like the most beautiful fucking life they've ever seen in their life, because there hands and their creative they've touched their energy. Their sweat and pop really, some of their blood is put into creating that thing, and that brings that much more value. Yeah. I think that's an issue with people today that have jobs they don't feel are very for filling. Is that there's no real saying that they're creating at the end where as like, if you make a table at the end, when you're putting the final sanding on the final you,

hello layer of of stain and you're. Looking at it like I made this, yes is the real thing that I can touch that I made just like human beings in our current form. We have a there's, a do a deep connection to making things physical things and observing an appreciation for things that people have made, whether it's a rifle that somebody made or a knife or you know a hammer, that's someones made there's something about that that we just have a real appreciation. If you can bias a knife from the store, that's aid in a shot? I mean it'll work, Now some knife, it's made some mass manufacturing process. It work and it's fine. I mean you'll appreciate it, but you won't appreciate it like. I appreciate this thing like every time I take this out, I'm like super careful. You know, and then the handle the handles made out of this is moose antler, an elk antler right there at the top and then move the bottom so

and I saw your conversation or listen to your conversation with Guy Ritchie, and you brought up that there was, I think, actually Jamie pulled it up and it was like Bagh Oak and and she was like Bago Yeah bugger there, american bugs not you know. If there are any American Box, it was from a bog in Russia and it was carbon dated two hundred and fifty four hundred years old Jesus sensually, it's been sunk in. In about just the other knife that you made for me that has a handle it That's how house one to get ahold of Bago, so people are raising long there actually was a show. I think it was on discovery, channel or history where people were their job was raising log

out of the palace wants down in Louisiana and the self and using making use of that word for Jai Singh. Not projects like this, so that, but that's happening all over the world, and some of that stuff are these ancient logs that it. You know it's the right and conditions where the log the tree falls over. It just sits there and Steve's, and you know that's a big thing for a pool, cue, shafts Lakewood shafts they they like to take these logs out of the bottom, like Lake Michigan or something, and then they dry it all out and then they make shall out of it and there's something about it being in the bottom of the water. For so long. It does something to the way they feel when he got there. Jamie. That's ancient bob would die, artisan, dice, dungeons and dragons yeah. That's that's nerd ship right there, something super polished up that looks cool. Are those

imagine, dragon nerds die. Sorry, I heard ice. Multi sided yeah, yeah sides on that. Now. What would that was only for a game right? You wouldn't play dice dice yeah they use for all kinds of different they actually like value holders. For. The most part value holders would yeah so like sixteen, so the countdown with the dice, and so they have an actual place holder sitting there that says sixteen fifteen to whatever. Well, you understand dungeons dragons, you might be a dork brother. My brother in law is magic. Gathering super dork, that's for people that get kicked out of the dungeons and dragons.

This is a different iteration of chess. Really I mean it's just it's all strategy is definitely not that. What is this? That's beautiful handle now how bearing Maine that kids in Montana really good guy he's a nice. Kid met him a couple years ago and in Eugene. Actually they do a knife show there every so that log that image- you just showed Jamie. That's bog oak that some other, like big chunks of it, that they pulled out wow, interesting so You must be the community of you people these these knife, making people yeah there. There are quite a few people who have started getting into the night making making world the world, the

surgeons of kind of hand, crafted hand forged knives kind of started back in the seventies, and it was a it stemmed off from home. I think, is a custom knife making association or yeah, because a knife makers association and then it stand off to the a b s which is American blades missus it. That was all about forged blade and kind of the mission to retain that knowledge in that history and and the skills that go into actually taking a piece of metal and forging a blade out of it like your blades, they were forged to shape they wear. One per approach is to just take a bar steel

trace out a line cut that out where it's totally valid way of doing it. Forging the forging aspect, especially if somebody doesn't actually know what they're doing they're just like heating up a piece of steel. They don't know how fucking hot it is getting. They don't know when to stop hitting it. They may be hitting it too cold. They may be overheating it and hit it. While it's way too hot, they could really actually do detrimental damage to the material on turn out a piece of shit, so the forge aspect really just brings kind of anesthetic and kind of a depth.

Of story to help bring kind of more to that product. Well, it's another level right handed another layer of it's not just hand crafting something from you know, just a piece of metal that you bought. You put all the pieces together and polish it down and sanded it. When did you get into this? So I'm kind of a funny story, so I got into this back in two thousand and eight is when I met Bob Kramer at the time I was working in a restaurant. Actually, in my hometown of Olympia and I was going to restaurant. I was moonlighting as an assistant, salsa, dancing instructor and even like, like community performances and shaped like that, and I was twenty four and I didn't know what the hell I was with myself, and I didn't really have much of a direction in my life. I was terrible at school. You know I had maybe forty credits towards towards an aim. I don't even have them like an actual certification and

Do we have any kind so anyways? I was sharing this with my dance partner and she had just started working for this guy. Who was a knife maker and she's like? Oh, you should meet him he's really interesting. You know you kind of feel like you lost he's been all over the world he's even like he was even a clown at one point in this program are used to be a clown. He was a clown, I think, for a year for Ringling, Barnum and Bailey, and from what I understand it was a great experience and he loved it and but anyway, she's, like you know, I think you guys would hit it off. I think maybe he could help bestow some wisdom as to where you're at and where he was at and maybe what kind of choices or options you have ahead of you, and so I met up with him at the brew pub that was actually working at an got some beers, Gaza which is sitting Bull Shiting and it ended up turning into a job opportunity. None of us really went into it. Knowing that that's the direction it was going to go, but he was anticipate

He had a an article coming out in the new Yorker like in a month that was gonna really like blow his up, and he had had a couple big articles like in Savoy magazine and he was featured, and I could still illustrated at one point and each time like there's a huge influx, and so I think in and part of anticipation for that he's. Like look, you seem like a nice guy, you don't really seem to have a direction. Maybe we could work something out. I can't make any promises to you with I have full time work for you, so he just took you on as an apprentice. Essentially, I saw a video with him into the board and that's how I found out about him. He was making a knife with meteors right, with a piece of meteorite in it as well same kind of thing- and I remember thinking like wow crazy- is this guys hammer

this thing together and put in that. That was like one of the ways that I got interested in custom knife, making sure him and I'd always had not. I use you know like pocket knives. You know the right and I was like cut kind of I thought they were cool and enjoy them, but until Watch that video. I didn't realize that there was a lot of people out there there. It is him and I didn't realize there was a lot of people that are out there doing this from scratch, and you know, then I was like all I got get a nice and then Then I saw your page on Instagram and a movie thinking wow. This guy does some wild shed, and I don't remember how you and I got to chatting. I don't remember- I just remember seeing your stuff on Instagram you reached out to me. Email- and I was like was it an email or was it a yeah Instagram message? Actually, I'm not sure. I think it was the email

either from your website, yeah use had seen my email on one of our previous conversation. Okay, but I was like this can't be like the job programs, and then, as the conversation continued on- and I was like because he also your picture for the emails like this goofy picture. You doing like kissy, faces up like five dollars and let me and I was like holy. I think this actually might be Joe Rogan. This is crazy, and but it's doing this crap in doing this work and and finding and connecting with people who have an appreciation for the actual, like the actual work that goes into it and appreciating the

value he's been in. You know. I know like even five years ago when I first started under my own brand. There's no way would I thought I'd be sitting here. Hang out with you, guys is kind of a been a crazy ride for me. Well, that's crazy! Right for me to Ma'Am all that is left crazy, but, like I said I I've always had a deep appreciation for artists since you know for for art, but I think this I think, you're nice making is art- mean I really do like look at this is Jamies pulled up an image from your website that shows this incredible blade, design now This is what I've always wanted to know like. Is that demand casteels that that is, that is Damascus. And it's just a quick note. This is actually a post that I did too another maker, his name is Julie and you can actually kind of see it there on the right margin. Now the S american kid so blatantly, the blaze that you made that you have here today that you had that you bring with you for an auction. Those

the patterns on those things are fucking insane. What do you do that like? How do you make these 'cause? It's not steel for people that are just listening to this, like that. One is a great example right, I would really love for people who are just listening to just please go spout, go spread out, go back to the hey Jamie, so I could see the headline shrink. It stuck what you mean, you can't shrink it zoomed in and it won't zoom out what happened with the touchpad. What did you call, the touchpad these God. Damn we got an old ass laptop there. A U M a S, fire arts and M A s by SI. Am a! U M a s! I a fire arts the fire arts so get stuck yeah M Mau? SI fire arts

if you go there, that's his page you'll be able to check it out an order books or closed you're focht. Order, yeah, I I am I'm at three years right now, I just kind of like I had to shut it down because it's kinda overwhelming point yeah it like it's a good problem, but it's overwhelming because it's fun. I can only imagine yeah now and balancing doing the work with now that you know like the marketing and branding maintaining relevance, their social media and taking the time to create content. On top of all that, it I mean especially when you're first start, Do it the content, part side of it time, constraints and crazy, like long waiting list, man, three years, yeah and realistic it's actually in, at least in the knife making world it's not uncommon for people to actually wait longer than that. It's the same thing with the pool cue world right there

same thing or a lot of these famous pool. Cue manufacturers like SW or sugar tree and then they have ten year waiting lists and it's just because they do it right. It takes long time, everything's done by hand right they're highly sought after and because of that, like you could buy a pool. Cue from you know, company that makes them through you know, computer process and there fine they play really good. Just like a knife that you buy from a store, that's right. You know made by a machine and it's all done. Mass manufacturing it'll cut your meat. It works great yeah. It gets the job done doesn't feel the same thing. Doesn't it's crazy, like you can feel the difference? Yeah between a handmade thing, Anna Machine made thing yeah, it's it's side trips me out every time. Well, this little something that people leave and things that they make. I mean the really is I mean I, I think it exists and everything that people make with us clothing. A jury, furniture or anything I mean I think, there's a

something that people leave when the in the in the thing that they make. What is there something you talk about sometimes about how animals in here like passed down through genes like watch out for this plan, watch out for the editors and like that, like the passing something on like that kind of in a way like where I'm toiling over something like that? For you know forty dedicated solid hours right, making sure it's as perfect as I possibly can make that thing at this point in my life, the skills I gotten, I I think there's something to that. I mean I even if it's just a thought, even if you just know when you touch it like. If I touch this knife, I know that you made this. You know when I'm when I'm cutting something with this and I'm cooking. I know that you made this, so maybe it's just even only in my head. It's still, it just feels different. You know and uh

I don't know I mean there's Rupert Sheldrake who's, a don't know what exactly kind of scientist is, but he has this bizarre theory. And he's a really interesting guy to talk to so I would never discount it He thinks that everything has memory, he thinks it. Just queues can access that memory, but he thinks there's things that have memories. He thinks that our idea that memory is something that only animals and humans possess is, is just it's probably not true, and that that's probably one of the reasons why people don't want to buy a house for some was murdered. You know I mean I like the idea. Is that a haunted house, even if it's not really a ghost like, maybe that home has memories yeah, maybe, like my dad, went to Gettys Burg. And he's not woo woo at all, he's like as fuqing great laced across the board, no bulshit as it gets, and he said man you could feel

sadness there. He goes he's. Think of how many thousands of people died at Gettysburg, and he said when you were there, it's just. It feels sad like you feel death here yeah, I don't know if that's real or if it's maybe the knowledge that you have that there was a war there I mean. I don't know I used to do this thing where I would walk through cemeteries, just interested like looking at people's names right and like when, when did they live, and what did people have to say about them or what you know what's left behind and just walking through cemeteries like sometimes I would even do it on Halloween to try to access. It is definitely feels weird in there and when you do this, I used to run through some retirees. I should run through him because I would want to be reminded, but life is short, get something done, make something happen, yeah those people that aren't here anymore, but the thing

cemetaries, like thirty dead when they get in there. I think, like the thing is like if you're on a boat somebody gets murdered on that boat you're in the boat you fucking, freaking, There's something about like things like. If you had a thing, if you had a a wallet that MIKE Tyson owned. You know what I mean: you'd hope, and you know, there's something to it: morphic resonance residents: okay, that's Rupert, Sheldrick, fearing uh theory developed by Rupert Sheldrake British biologist paranormal influenced by which a pattern of events are behavior, can facilitate subsequent occurrences of similar patterns of that's right,

that is, that is not about it. Memory that is does other other referred to in a lot of other ways in the memory is inherent in nature and yeah yeah. I think that's part of it like. I think what I was talking about is part of his theory of morphic resonance, but morphic residents. I think he's he's yeah here. It says that hold on scroll back scroll down, so the process whereby self, organizing systems inherent a memory from previous similar systems, so when he was talking about with morphic, This was how mice they learn like say if you have a pattern and there's like he's at the end of this pattern, and through a maze if one house figures out that pattern. Other mouse can out quicker and there's something somehow or another they learn from each other and when chimpanzees were observed using tools, other chimpanzees,

This side of the world started mimicking that behavior without any interaction with those chimpanzees at all, yeah yeah yeah, very strange, that's like butterfly well more intense than butterfly effect, because it implies that there's some sort of collective. Formation pool that they're sharing through the ether that there's some something that they're they're sharing through unknown method as crazy yeah. Well, it's been it's actually been shown There is some sort of a there's something to this and there's a lot of criticism of it. So if you're, one of those people right now, that's like a strict materialist you screaming out I get it, I get it, someone who's a real rationalist who just wants only science provable the thing

is it is kind of provable because there is, there has been some tasks and there's fierce opposition to this, which is anything that has like some woo woo attached to it's going to have some fierce hopper But Rupert was a really fascinating, guy and he's also a rare scientist. That's he he he was. He was christian as out he's really into he as a certain level of Christianity that he accepts and adopts because it feels like it's beneficial to him very interesting guy yeah, that's yeah! I did a podcast a few years back. Yeah he's a trip him and um uh. There was a mathematician and Terence Mckenna. Who is the other gentleman that was the trial logs. They had these fantastic recordings, it was

Sheldrake, Mckenna and one other guy was also brilliant and they would go back and forth. They had these Ralph Abraham, Abraham Abraham's or Abraham Abraham, and they they did. These series of talks. And this is one of the things that came up like Mckenna was the most woo woo Ralph Abraham was At least Wuan and Sheldrick was kind of in the Middle right now interesting stuff of your. Hanging around yeah, the trial logs there, the recordings available somewhere. I think our friends psychedelic a I think Lorenzo has them. Are there available online, oh go Bam, Soundcloud. Yeah they're fucking cool man. Actually I don't know why you can't play it. Was there I got taken down now, yeah. That is the case. We got removed. Yes, it was probably selling it. It's really

Although there you know you get to see these guys in 1990s, pre internet was it pre internet might not have been. It might be like ninety eight. I think Mckenna died around two thousand ish. He died post too on site C dialect, two thousand and three or something when did he die? Why am I asking this? This is all about memory and things we went on a deep throat was here, but anybody's: listen in two thousand two thousand: yes, he made it to Y two k and then he kicked the bucket.

Anybody who's uh, just interested in really cool conversations. It's something listen to that sounds very interesting. Yeah, just three super smart dudes kind of debating ideas and bounce them around off each other. You know what I've actually gotten into recently is listening to old recordings of, like Alan Watts, oh yeah, he was great reading Joseph Campbell and just like yeah, I know just absorb and trying to figure out what that means to me today in this, like the heroes, are in the world, yeah yeah. What's is a fascinating guy plus that accent may themselves so much cooler.

Drone. I lose in the long term injured from her yeah his the actually the first time I ever got into a good like a unlike a meditative space was a meditation led by Alan Watts from around the one for, like sixty seventies and just the way he explained it. For me, MIKE was the first time I ever made sense. How meditation should, when he's like, don't try to not think of anything but just accept them that they're there, and but also ignore them at the same time out yeah, because we're in that I just told He, like I felt like I was above myself watching me. He says just sitting there listening to this record as a trip. Why he's such a heady guy lives the sound of his voice and just hearing his thoughts. When you hear a really deep thinker like him, one of the things that it does is kind of gets you into that pattern of thought and you realize like. Oh, I can probably kind of sort of think that way too

allow myself to be guided by his words and sort of try to pay attention to how he's doing this. Now he's He was an interesting guy because not just was he a deep thinker but his the influences of those people. It's very different, like there's very few recordings, even back then for them to listen to you know this stuff was based on reading. And their education and their actual life experiences. So they we're very unique and original. They were really the cornerstones for a lot of these deep philosophical ideas, and so then, when you hear Alan Watts, recording today something like me or some other people that listen to that they might might share those ideas or reflect on those ideas, but clearly these are not my ideas, these ideas, that have come from these intense cornerstone people, whether it's Mccanna Alan Watts, or something like that

get a chance while you're when you're working. Do you listen to shed or do you just there? I got all the time to sit in the headphone since early 'cause yeah. It seems like it be loud as fuck yeah, so I just got ahold of these like Bluetooth head like earbuds, and they have like this memory foam. So they are memory, foam earbuds, like tips, so that helps reduce the amount of noise it's actually coming in. So it helps protect in that way, just kind of in general, like a normal, like inner ear plug, would work, but also because it's reducing the amount of noise it's getting in. You can also listen at a lower volume, so you're not like blowing out your ears to be able to hear whatever you're listening to, but you wouldn't through normal earbuds right 'cause. It's so loud in your shop, yeah yeah. So much whenever I'm working like especially if somebody happens to pop by the shop and they want to see and like they're, just curious, and so we have stuff going on or we can heat some steel up real, quick and do quick demonstration. Usually I don't

the time to throw all that stuff. In fact, it is so loud. I actually feel like my hearing has become more sensitive since I started making knives than it was before, probably years getting beat up. Well, it's not always have ear plugs and I always have a hearing protection and so on. So it my hearing is always protected. So I feel like it's become more since better sense of here. I don't know if that's possible to get your hearing back or whatever, but maybe a protecting. It means doing better because of that yeah. I just I hear a lot of things by all the things it feels like. Whenever I take my hearing that you're hearing protection out I'll be at home, something in a month nice, my wife, looked at me like I'm crazy- is the one in this case the case of one of like maybe a fight. You know, people don't use their hands in the hands. Get soft. I don't know I haven't used, you can't gain it back, but you might be protecting it longer and since you're have a sensitivity issue. Maybe since it's

quieter all day. So if you blow it out from my concert and she like that, that's it I thought it was all you can do is get a hearing aid. What about the little here exam celery? Some they don't. I don't you know we do. That is because it's literally what you hearing with the stuff like a hair follicle, that's right! Vibrating again, it's Can you blow that shit out? They haven't synthetically made those yet and Rome, yet I feel so bad for those old rock stars. It didn't know any better and now they're just talking to him. Huey Lewis play anymore all of a sudden. That's the lords work just kidding just kidding anyway said to be square.

Yeah man. It's up what to do from my ac DC, who else Engus is gone: Jesus for himself yeah buck and everybody's going deaf yeah. They also probably didn't protect them, something you should of never know you better back then have you ever is seen a documentary. It's older one, all older one. It was like from the early two thousands, but this woman she progressively got different differ and she grew older man till like, I think you in high school or something like she was like practically completely deaf, but she's, a percussionist and she's like a world renowned, percussionist there's. This awesome document is called touch the sound and she hears through her body, which is a file it trips me out, but the tones that she's able to achieve the control she has over everything what ever kinda instrument she's playing it's it's a awesome documentary wow, but she has

almost literally no hearing she hears everything through her body too. So it's kind of interesting to think like. If Angus can figure that shit out, then I mean he's holding the fucking thing is handball then, such as Angus. The lead singer right, who is the lead? Singers name Fox his damn second lead singer, Brian Johnson, not forget that he's gone deaf too Angus in Bryant. And Angus is like always headbanging. What kind of CTE does that guy have Jesus? I mean fucking Christ. You shouldn't be doing that God you're talking to DD, about that the other day yeah I was- I was thinking like all through high school, like I played football from seven

grade all through high school and, like all the stuff, they're learning now I'm just like Jesus was happening to me too, and we always lead with our head course. Yeah. My neck was always all kinds of fuckd up in an. I definitely had some serious concussions, I'm sure and yeah. Sometimes it scares me worries me a little bit like what does that mean for sure how old you know four yeah man just turned and for um it's scary. You know you're lucky stopped when you did. I know I know a lot of people with brain damage. Me too, I'm sure I have some guaranteed last I mean I don't think anybody writes for free. I think you, get hit in the head enough, you got some brain damage. You know I got hit in the head on a regular basis for Mwe. Most most of my younger years from like fifteen till like twenty two,

I got hit in the head all the time. It's just nobody knew any better, you know and back then he thought that, like Once you've got like once you're slurring, your words and stuff, if you just stopped, my god he's a little punchy should stop right. That's how people thought but didn't realize that it's regressive and then like. You, don't even really show brain damage

Ten years after the in initial injuries right. That's when you really start showing damage sold some some c t e just compounds it until it just becomes unmanageable for these poor people yeah. I actually I can't, especially after watching concussion in and seen in reading my articles about the real life people that the shots happened too. I like it. I have a hard time watching football on, like I used to watch football time. I am I've, never been like crazy in the sports, knowing all the stats never stuff I enjoy watching like a good contest. I never really rude for anybody, but now, when I see like even kids signing to draft or signing up from high school to go to a certain college in somebody's baby, yeah tearing themselves up like, is that where the yeah that were the

I dive. I would like a port kids fighting way before support kids doing football and both of them I'd be nervous about, and you know I mean, there's other stuff like X, games type they're into extreme sports, and you know people that are in a snowboarding snowboarders wipe out all the time and cracked her head open. Can you get a scholarship and martial arts of any kind MIKE thanks college? Just wrestling? That's a big that's a big driver right there, though right wrestling. That's where the money wrestling. Certainly a martial art is by one of the most important, martial arts. Probably it right that's it I mean judo. Maybe is there a school that has judo these to boxing and schools, meaning back in like 50s and 60s, and chip there was boxing was a legitimate sport in college, but not anymore, yeah, yeah yeah, it just can't really watch it anymore. I mean you have to be careful like with your hand, eye coordination and your fingers and chit now

You know I mean you yeah, thanks, think like when you're working with hammers and high metal and you, you must always have to be under way because everybody that works and sheen chops missing finger tip sums up this crazy stories to like buffer the buffer. Like the old lovely little thing is Leah, one of the most dangerous things: 'cause, it catches an edge just like your snowboarding. You catch a bad edge and just plan. It bites the blade bites into that and it acts as a hand and just rips it. Flings it wherever it's thrown knives right back in the guys and fucking killed him. Oh fuck yeah, my wife, probably hate see what, in this reality, I've done. I've actually done a lot of work to do get away from using buffers. Because of that, and I'm still like doing great work edges. I have a lot of friends who just they'll never touch a about for one terrifying if

scary. What does it look like for people don't know put up like what would you call it? Maybe she'd, like a buffing, push it. I don't know what you order again. Usually it's like a benchtop thing, like a bench. Grinder usually has like the hard wheat round stone wheel on one side that that's it right there, those mutherfuckers. So it's not one fucking, there's going to kiss going to go,

make me nervous that look. So it looks like something. So if you up and got the blade to close ticket and then so that one is, is, what's called a size, a wheel, so it's it's made from a touch that type of rope, but the with the ones that are the most dangerous. Are the softer cotton wheels? Has they wanna grappling that much easier if they have more give or but yeah? It's and what's interesting is I've actually been cut less working in a in a metal shop than I ever did, working and and and and burn less than I ever did working in kitchens. I worked in restaurants back house, but for seven years collectively and most of that has to do with other people not calling like hot coming across and bucking, I turn around. They don't call it. I turn around. There's there with this fucking Saute pan right,

I'm ready to fucking drop it right, but it's being in the metal shop. Like you said you do have to pay so much attention and you have to be focused at what you're doing, because literally everything in that fucking shop wants to hurt you or kill you, the second you're, not paying attention to the second you're, not paying attention it's going to grab. You click here for stories of people working next machines. They have long hair well and it just ribs it scalps MIKE just street hello. Your hair will stop you're a fighter and the power tool

this week yeah I got a power tool stuck in his balls who sent new poor yeah. I got a Brian Wilson yeah. I got a thrill that he lost his hearing due to not put putting in your plugs at a car race, not music, specifically he's. There was a quote Brian Wilson from the Beach boys, Brian Wilson, from the beach boys. Are I'm sorry he this article has him at the top Brian Johnson, Brian Johnson, from cars yeah. Well, how the does he know mother in Ac Dc yeah, I mean what do you think they'll be allowed to wear off, and this young says that he lost a little bit but he's, as quote, says that he never really had a problem with that. That's why I was run around stage so much to Never in one one play along, but since it's a fuckin' loudness of a room, that's hilarious, I wondered ever saw ICD Acdc. I wonder if people are more susceptible just like some people are more susceptible to CTE,

yeah. I remember Rhonda Patrick, was talking about certain jeans that you have. What is it apropos? I forget what it's called, but whatever things that make you more susceptible more likely to get CTE from concussions problem probably have to be something that probably makes sense Now, when you're in that shop and you're you're you're you're doing all this grinding, so it is there. Any concern about chemicals like this or chemical gestion or smells in the air. I think that 'cause you're dipping things, and you got all this stuff that using especially for working with synthetic, I mean any material that you're grinding your making it it's airborne like any of it can go into here. I'm almost always wearing a respirator, oh wow, especially when I'm grinding

and it's like double can always like covering up. Does it work? Does a respirator filter out all of it? It makes a huge difference. In fact, we have my facial hair right now, even this little bit. What you got even that little bit is enough to create a little gap and they can get through that. So you have to shave your face smooth yeah, I usually keep it pretty well now now, how the do you create those patterns like Damascus, steel? What? What is that this doesn't have too much of that has on the day the mask is still fortune yeah full yeah. What what does create feels like that. There you go. How do you do that? We're looking at a crazy image that looks like it? looks like someone drew on it. This is This is the pattern that just came up with recently. It's called I called braid Mosaic for lack of better term, but it just looks like a braid and it's something I've been wanting to create.

Anne! How do you create a figured out so essentially to create pattern? Welded, Damascus, first off Damascus, is kind of a blanket has become. Blanket term traditionally in originally, it actually referred to the steel that, like the type of steel that your knife, this knife, the media and I've is made from, and it eventually became a blanket term for all kinds of kind of pattern to steal, general whether it's it occurs, naturally or if it's kind of forced in created the way that braid pattern was made, so that's pattern, welded steel, and so you have to start with at least two different types of high carbon steel. Ideally, steel, that heat treat in a similar range when you heat them up and squish on them. They move at a similar rate

so most commonly people are working with one thousand and eighty and fifteen and twenty those are just codes for two different types of high carbon steel, but essentially you bring them up too high temperature. You squish him either under a big hammer or under a press. You can actually do it by hand, but you have to do kind of a smaller bill it to create the patterns and get it to stick 'cause. The trick is really getting getting them close, evenly, squishing it out, and it's like if you've ever rolled out, DOE or anybody who's ever made like pastry dough like you would use in a croissant, you tear open a croissant. You see all those layers in there and that's from a piece of dough being

now full of rolled out in so it's kind of the same thing but with metal. But you have to have the kind of the right kind of his temperature environment kind of you. You want as little oxygen in there as possible because the Oct oxygen creates carbon are not covered by iron oxide. That help kind of is detrimental to creating solid, well bonds in their different ways to achieve that, but once the ten eighties, the black steel, the black color and the fifteen and twenty is the is the silver color and what's the difference in the way those steals perform as one of them harder or more durable, or they pretty much in Edmore. They pretty much form almost or perform almost exactly the same. They are in fact chemically speaking there almost exactly the same, except for the fifteen and twenty has a high level of nickel. In eight point, two percent by volume

by weight and so that steel is traditionally use in Sabha AIDS, especially large big mill band saws. You know like in Oregon, there's like one of the oldest and continuously running would sawmill is still there and doing its thing with these, giant bandsaw blades that are like thirty feet in diameter in circumference and they're like foot wide and there's monsters and foot wide, you mean like sick. No, no, like for only like, maybe a 16th of an inch thick, because you want to narrow soccer so you're, not wasting material but they're wide to help. Ok, flexion so it's a band saw, I'm thinking of a circular saw for some reason, sorry band, so but so circular saw those suck so usually probably around and either in quarter of an inch thick, but it's the same. Kinda idea is that there I'm in down these giant log

we big saw those things circular and and break man. There must be fucking nightmare I was going to be so to be standing right there. When I have you seen an original samurai sword, I've seen a few actually just once from the 1500s check this shit out I wish it is the one that Mister and Neil Degrasse Tyson was posing with the other day. Yeah, that's a real one That's an actual real samurai sword right from the 1500s, see the race skins, nice, Do you know when it was made exactly? I don't think they know

I just know it's from some time period in the 1500s, but there's a sit certificate of authentication that came with. It explains I'm just looking to see what the hormone activity looks like so the hormone is, you can kind of see this line that runs parallel to the cutting edge and that usually indicates where the soft material stops and the hard materials starts, and so the idea with these kind of the challenge with any knife, is making a knife that takes and holds a sharp edge for a good period of time. What's the key to that, but is also tough, which means like you can drop it, and it's not going to break so like if you wanted a hunting knife or something so. A hunting knife with commotion, Iphone boy names, those are harder working,

So you want actually bring that hardness down. You don't have to bring it down a ton, but just a few points will make a huge different like house night here, yeah exactly. What's the difference in the way that knife is made and this knife is so they were tempered there, he treated the same, so they were brought up to like one thousand five hundred degrees for people who don't not listen or listening, not watching this. One of these knives is a hunting knife that how's that feel by the way. It's great man after my love, it yeah, but it's it's made very similar. If you look into the the video of it the handles the same. It looks it looks very similar. It has a different knife card, those pretty cool, all of which are without yeah. The garden keep yet keep your hand from its lineup yeah, and I looked. We made the handle to it's an interesting handle curves and everything yeah where where'd you get that pattern for like.

The single yes, so the th. I'm sorry answer the first question. I'm sorry. I remember your first for like what is the difference in the way they treated okay, yeah yeah, so they were hard, and so he treating the whole process is essentially heat up. The steel make it hard and then you put it back into heat, but a low at much lower temperature to kind of tough and it up, and so you're pulling some of the harness back. So they were hardened the same way, but they were tempered at different temperatures, because one is a hard use knife. While the chef's knife is not hard, what is the difference between Tempuran? What does that mean? So the tempering so essentially so hard and it so I bring it up to one thousand five hundred degrees which is like a dull glowing, orange color and then I,

dip it in special oil that I have that's designed for quenching materials, not just in knife making, but all kinds of different industrial applications, clenching materials, oil, sorry, quenching, oil, What does that mean? So that's cooling, the hot steel down in a very short period of time and he's watching the oil, so is it cold oil? not so actually, the depending on how the steel need to be heat treated. You actually want to heat up the oil so that it's it's thinner, it also there's this thing: that's called a vapor jacket, so if you've ever like Bin next to a burning, stove and use drop a little water on it, and you see that the water dance around on their the same thing, happens on the surface of the blade set, for the blade is a source of heat right. He put it in that oil all that oil is dancing around on it? So when the oil is thinner, uh, it's not as large of a jacket, because when that jacket is

so Jack in in casing that steel, while it's trying to cool down it actually kind of acts as an insulator and ruin our could could potentially run so you not only do you put it in the oil, but you want agitated to kind of break up that jacket on so doesn't get a chance to just sit there and all the way around the blade, and it was cold. It would be it would it be thicker, and so it would make a larger jacket actually and also that it probably wouldn't be as efficient. I guess in cooling, the steel down because, ideally like for most the seals, you wanna cooling down pretty much as quickly as you possibly can so this life. So I'm sorry, so we keep going. I was just going to say you essentially have depending on what still you're working with you have anywhere from half a second

to like five seconds to get it from one thousand five hundred degrees or sometimes higher to below eight hundred degrees, and so this knife would be more durable. So it is then, this knife, herbal yeah tougher so in knife, making commonly referred to as being tougher, So we can withstand coming into impact with bone. You could chop with that thing a lot more only with a tougher knife, because this has tempered at it as a as hive with a temperature. It's it's much harder than this one. Even though it's a few points. Those few points make a big difference, and so, if you were to take this out into the woods, try to do the same job, This one is not cutting it, wouldn't necessarily snap, but parts of the cutting edge would look up blow out, probably blow and ships. I actually recently, just from time to time is good practices,

maker to make sure that you're still doing your thing, every your heat, treating stuff all right. I take a knife and I just beat the shit out of it for such through some wood, and then I actually took it to an antler and beat the shit out of at two and it's It is amazing that, if you're doing things right, you know ten thousandths of an inch is enough to really to withstand impact of chopping through. Would pretty well, of course, unless your coming in contact with like a nail super yeah, a nail or super dense knots. That's crazy, because it's so for him right, one of the more internet is actually on the bigger side. This is on the thicker side, at least, especially along with cutting edge- that's probably twice as thick as it actually needs to be, which is crazy, but it just comes down to the material Not everybody are a lot of people mistakenly, think you know steel, Steel is steel, steel, whatever, but they're, not Steel is made for many different.

Locations and they're actually very specifically designed for those applications. So like actual steal, this kind of stuff that you know buildings are built out, I'm very different from this. It doesn't have very much carbon in at all. That way is so then the carbon is what helps make the really hard so lacking that carbon. It is to way tougher, so you can bend it all fucking day long. So I gotta snap exactly right. That's why you wanted for buildings in LA or the earthquakes hit they wiggle a little bit yeah yeah! This is much thin then a lot of other hunting knives would be, which is interesting now, with the with your use of this exotic metal and now you're. So your methods you're able to do that

One also part of the reason that you're able to do that is because it's high carbon steel has a which means it has. A high volume of carbon comparatively than other kind is kinds of tool or cutlery, steel. It was a benefit of high carbon verses, less carbon, so hi Carmen allows you to to especially for the the media right. It's a it's a kind of crucible steel called whoops, and so the patterning you seen there is actually strands of carbon carbide material, so it at all the extra carbon floating around in the matrix. The iron matrix of this steel jumps onto these bands called carbides and they're different elements and vanadium is one of the elements in this deal that ROZ those carbon that carbon in. So what you're seeing are thousands and thousands of all these ultra hard car?

even bands floating around through iron matrix. Do you watch game of thrones I'd do when they have like swords that are made out of valyrian steel cheapest off? They would get the fuck outta here. What you fake magic snail well, what's interesting, back in the day the ship was magical right. They didn't understand what was going on now. How did they learn mean? What the history I mean I was. It was scientifically that sword there is from the fifteen hundreds, but you know from the back in the roman gladiator days, and I mean how did they understand how to do this? So this that they were using in Europe was not really that great. It was the best. Yet japanese, Japanese, we just were pretty fucking good, as well as the Persians and the Indonesians Vikings material. Wasn't the greatest wasn't too barbaric no time it comes down to what they had available to them right yeah. So who was like the pioneer of like really durable bad

sword. Material was a Japanese, so probably so the Japanese and the persian slash indonesian Persians. Swords are probably the most legendary real they're, the ones where, like you, could cut through silk floating in the air and like that. Why is that? Would they do different, so it it's it's the so that person still is still very, very, very similar to these me right, so the crew. So it starts, it's called the crucible steel. So essentially, there's this clade jar essentially called crucible people, know all kinds of stuff in it, but you can mail melt steel in it as well, and so they were making these ingots of crucible steel and then forging them out, and they really really very heavily relied on these carbide bends floating through the material because Unfortunately, they didn't really have a very advanced way of

wishing that steel, so that not only do they have the bands, but they also had hard iron matrix as well that those bands were floating in, so they really relied on those that banding so they just learn from trial and error of thousands of years of experimenting with different materials and different locations. They got the iron from and different things that they added to to make steel yeah absolutely and that's why you know you even watching game of thrones or other kind of medieval our movie set in medieval times. You know they were were very specific makers who were the best? Who could really make this should happen, and is it because the had a tradition passed down to them, and you know all that a lot of that stuff is very fictional, but it in in the real world that that was the same thing. You know you had very specific lineages of people who had the you know the

essentially the most advanced technology and skills and techniques for creating the most highest performing weaponry, essentially of the time which was like the currency of the. Somebody went to Japan fairly recently and and filmed them. Working with a high double sword maker for a television show trying to remember who it was. It was someone famous it was really bad as they went to the sword maker shop, and you know I mean he's doing the whole dying light hammering it all out and build samurai sword from scratch? The way it's always been yeah, there are a few of those documentaries, so it is showing on you too. They he is you have to do is not usually you got to do a little bit of digging to find them. I I I actually just watch the back few them like in the last five years. I do not recall with their Do you think you're going to make a samurai sword one of these days? I might do it eventually just.

I mean I'm always going to do chefs knives, because that's what I know like. That's the I know the most that's what I the biggest like market right there there's a John I mean for Super foodies hamlet. You know! Well, it's not only that like, but if you think about it, like mostly made this government here a lot, you know, if there's a lot of mystique, our japanese swords or even the American Bui Knife, as well as Viking swords. Nowadays? Nowadays, people have that made, but you know it goes on a wall things that are really getting used or like a hunting knife and a chefs knife and you know cooking knives- are used. Almost literally in every single household around the world every day, Bryant Year Round, yeah and it's what's interesting is because of its ubiquity to our everyday life. It lacks that mistake because we see the shed every day. We don't think much of it versus japanese sword, people walk in here and then like

I tell you one thing, man: when people come over my house and I'm cooking and they go where the fund did you get that night? That happens all the time, it's either this one or the other one. When I show them the Bogyoke one same thing: they like dude, I'm like yeah man check it out now. In terms like this one or the other one that you made me the other hunting knife email me out of Damascus, Damascus, which one is like tougher more durable, so they've been heat treated. To perform very we're very similarly. So basically, you did Essentia Lee have to destroy them to really determine which one outperforms. So you have to stick it in a bowl and try to blanket yeah essentially use it, how it's not supposed to be functioning, but it keeps an edge. So well man, it's crazy! I mean I get nervous every time I touch the blade. I mean this thing slices through things now, there's got to be an art to actually sharpening things to write. Oh for sure,

and how do you know like the right angle to approach sharpening its, I mean there are actually a lot of great information online there, especially in cities like Seattle, La New York Austin there Portland as well. There is super reputable people, not only who will, offer service but usually offer lessons as well. I suggest like, if you can't afford it, you know you can dig around. You can find this stuff. Online, but it's not the same as having essentially having a coach. Next to you saying or yeah, that's great, that's perfect! That's where you want to be doing that you do you sharpen both sides. I do so you sharpen the top and the bottom. I'm sorry you mean the sides of the steel like. Would you sharpen it like this and then flip it over here and stop and start that yeah? No one of those things and have those metal

things or changing changing yeah, so those ones seem like I'm italics brutal. I wouldn't do that to a good knife it so my right thinking that way. Be it well. It depends on the the type of steel that unites May from and then what the material is that those rods are made from. So those are commonly referred to as sharpening rods or sharpening sticks, but the reality is they're. Not actually sharpening what are they doing so they're more accurately referred to as honing rods. So what's. At the cutting edge of your knife, you all these micro serrations. Essentially, if you go, take it under a microscope, look at the cutting edge. It looks like a saw blade, but they're like they're fucking microns on Micron is a millionth of a meter like their teeny, tiny so, but what happens over normal use, those teeth they bend over

are they flex over or sometimes they eventually wear out and fall off, and so what the honing rod does, especially if they've bent over showing it right there whoo citing look at that played It's you want to ignore like those long streaks and you just like the tiny little thin black yeah. That's the shit right, damn damn. That's crazy, observ you look at it like someone's doing it to your instruction. Vso Youtube video, crazy yeah, crazy. I could do 300x magnification yeah view from the top yeah. So that's what's happened, along your cutting edge and what happens with those tiny serrations where it bend over like I was saying or break off, and so

but as they bend over and it's just normal that honing run by swiping across the honing RON. You don't just do it willingly like you got to do it at the right angle on all the stuff, but what it does is it real lines and hones those teeth back into alignment so people mistakenly called him sharpening sticks because all of a sudden there knife is sharp asfuck afterwards, but the reality is that it's honed, those teeth back into alignment, so it can do its job again now, what's the purpose of the leather strop, so that's just a gentler way. Especially for things that are super super razor, sharp, which essential I've been sharpened to really high finish, like ten thousand grit or higher so those micro serrations are even smaller, which means they're even more delicate, which means they don't need as much force to realign them, so honing, rod or or sorry a strop is that's a human hair. Yeah so

Jesus Christ looks disgusting magic choking on that here. So just to give you some reference. A typical, an average human hair is about three thousands of an inch well uh yeah, and to help put that in a little bit more better perspective. A 16th of an inch like a normal measurement. 116Th of an inch is sixty two point: five, thousands of an inch. So that's like one. I can't do the math right 120th of a 16th of an inch, which is what containment, tiny.

It's crazy: it's like split the hair yeah like shaved. It yeah, literally yeah, there's a a big debate in the world of bow hunting with broad heads, with what kind of steel to use and there's there's harder steal that some people use, but it breaks- and this is an issue with that- and there's there's like this big debate, harder versus steeled that has led it's hard, but will bend more and give slightly more. You know and then there's a had that I use, which is a carbon steel. Broadhead from a company called G5, they make this a broadhead called a Montek. Let's pull up g five carbon. Steel Montek, so you cs of the column it's just the head like that. Just like a triangle

or is it even try for hunting the one that I use yeah? It is it's uh it. It has a three points or four points here who pulled up. He said yeah, that's it! Oh yeah sure so is three points, but that's a carbon steel broadhead! That's what I shot. My elk with cedar. Within that things, virtually indestructible, yeah, there's a! I have a crazy photograph. I'll show you this crazy video. I put it up on my instagram instagram. Where I was going around with something on my bow at full draw trying to set something in the bo went off and hit a cement wall, and it's into the wall. What is the or solid, solid cement wall and didn't kill the broadhead? I still have the head back there. It's stuck into the broadhead. Look at it did it's look into the shaft yeah

but it did to the arrow. Now will look at that. Look at that brought in that fucking things got my bet for life yeah that things got my confidence forever 'cause. If that does that to concrete what will that do to bone right now that will go through anything, that's gonna Kicks Mass, so that one of the things I would say after seeing that specially that first image is the geometry of the blades that the actual points they lend themselves. Similarly to how you're hunting knife sharpened differently from your chef's knife, from like the chef's knife, materials thinner, but they're, also sharpened at different angles, because they have different jobs are supposed to do, and so the broader, essentially sorry, the more cute that is the more easily that will break as well as the thinner. The thing in the material that that that geometry is living on is more susceptible breaking that first image that Jimmy pulled up. The geometry look like it was pretty robust, pull that up again

yeah and as well as like it looks like it's probably at least thirty thousands of an inch thick, which is you know, that's rough, if not more and all the the original image and we see the actual broad head in the without the yeah, my friend, Brian Stevens term. Out of these, he he yeah shot a bear through the head with one of the Jesus, was from ten feet away. It was coming at him and he's got an image of the skull that he sat me where you see. The outline of that broadhead through the bear skull is crazy, yeah and it he killed the bear and didn't even fuc up the air on my family is crazy, yeah and so a lot of, like you, see people doing these incredible feats like hammering through nails and she like that with their knives and like what the

buck thing that most people are used to our chefs knife and they think they did that with their chefs Lifelock it up in one hundred percent, pretty much wood, but with the right thickness coming up to the cutting edge, as well as the actual lead, cutting edge geometry. Like the actual angle that it's sharp that you could do that shit all day long now, when you sharpen a blade, do you use something to hold it? Next to the stone so that it reaches the perfect angle or do you do it by I'd? Do that hi? I actually, if you hand it over to me one of the things, especially when I first started learning. I would use my finger as a guide mon, so that would inform me are as to the angle so when the edge of my finger with touch the top of the stone and me that was about the right angle and then, when I flipped it over to do the other side. I do the same thing with my thumb, an essential in you know from experience. I just know from experience right. They do make a sharpening guys that you can call.

On to the back of their lives as well as little ramps. Those are all great special. If you're starting the hardest part about. All of this is the muscle memory portion, it's figuring out how to lock in an maintain that angle, without wavering and browsing your wrists and all that kind of thing, and it just it's like riding a bike or any other anything. You've ever had to learn in your life with practice and repetition. You'll get better. What do you think about that? those machines so slick little they're like little the worst thing ever really. I I have over like a almost kind of in a conspiracy theory that, like the reality is like they're designed to destroy your knife, so you have to turn around and reinvest again because most people, one because the knives aren't usually sold for much money that are being used with those things and when they're, not selling them for many very much you're relying on volume

and what better way than to create a thing that does the job for a little bit but ultimately destroys it, and you have to reinvest what about the ones where you stick it in the slot and The same thing same thanks for just nine: it's a little slower process, but you you'll notice the problem with those the real problem with those is that you can't sharp in the hole as usually so start at the heel or just a little bit from the hill, and then you do major work. That's true myself. I was like this is actually still pretty sharp, sharp. As far So the problem is because you're not getting the full length you'll continue to dish this material out just in front of heel and then, when you go to cut there's, this little bit of ship there. That's not doing any work anything

when you relying on that cutting board. When the knife comes down to the cutting board. To do some work is not happening. I cut my lunch with that today, nice Phuc cut out with that access the access axis deer and elk. Oh my god that was killing me with that the pride and say about it just like Confucianism, so funny, yeah man, you don't well. I learned how to cook I mean I I feel like there's some real art to that. As well from my my friend, Chad, Ward, whiskey band barbecue on Instagram, he's Leka, a pit master, let go legit sure and worlds champion barbecue master and he's won. It taught me how to cook slowly at low temperatures and then see your id after you're done. I am a. I always thought you supposed to just put on high heat cook out of it and then eat it. You know yeah. I mean it takes fine that way too, but you know when you're dealing with

I really had to learn, especially in particular cooking with some wild game is very unforgiving because it low in fat yeah. It's getting done. It's so you're, basically eating a sprinter, It is right there yeah yeah, so that's the end. I reverse sear it in a pan with Grass FED, but here that pain, beautiful, listen to that sound, our whole whole whole whole whole whole. That's the last. My back strap! I gotta to. I got more meat. I eat meat I eat to fight so much meat, crazy, super super healthy though bitch fuck, what you heard it looks like it works, no it well. You know what to there's something really magical about wild game, and I don't know what the fuck it is. I really

and I don't think anybody does 'cause. I don't think there's enough people out there that are eating it, but it has. It has a different effect on your body. It feels different when I even just beef like if you have a grass FED beef, Everything total like pasture raised, like oh, my god, the difference You know about butcher box, I aware yeah do that companies to shed they'll, send it to your house frozen grass FED. Pasture raised like in the pasture you're finished and it's pretty cheap to it's a good deal. The fuse boxes of this podcast, and I use them all the time. I think it's amazing it's brilliant now and in the few times that- and it's actually a film there saying that I've only eaten really good beef happy beef, essentially on the flat, the yeah, it's hard yeah will invest in some place. Oh, my god, when you take a bite like that, even just that Mercede by it's just like it

we've entered a whole different world, and it's like just the flavors everything I have my friend my friend MIKE Hawk Ridge. He lives up in British Columbia, like the Real British Columbia, look way the FA cup. There and he's a hunting guide and um uh got him some tickets for the fights in Vegas and his wife came down, and then afterwards we went out to eat and they're eating steak. We added a restaurant there, laughing lips, like their Ucd moose. You know like this need is like it's like this. A little sick animal and I think it's all moshi. You know it's like if you eat a piece of why wild moose mean it's like whoa, you eat it. You like holyshit, it's like filled with, flavor and it's just it feels like like it gives you energy, it's crazy. I've totally by that yeah yeah. It's like the. What is that people are trying to like inject young people

blood into the the yeah I'm trying to make themselves feel younger, like eating putting good well. Source like it. I don't know if those two things are not frightened, I don't know, This is a friend of this thing. No, I guess, but I do think that there's I mean there's got to be some thing to consuming an incredibly healthy, vibrant animal versus something that's like raising the cage right. I is just make sense, but I don't think this is something that you can

I mean they have absolutely measured protein content in the protein contents off the charts. If you look at the difference in the protein content of chick in or regular beef versus moose or Elk, it's much higher much denser and protein like, like, I think something like six ounces of axis deer's, forty eight grams of protein right, which is incredible. You know well it's interesting to think about that. To get to get that same amount of protein like you, don't The Gore John, if you just yes, you see that little bit yeah good little six ounce piece in your good. Even less of you want to stay in ketosis. If you're like in a Keto diet, you really need less than six ounces in like three ounces right. You know, food is just to me, as especially as I've gotten older. I've started doing a lot more cooking and it becomes a diff

thing, I'm I'm a it's! Not just I'm hungry any stuff. My face right, like the preparing the food. Much like we were talking about with craftsmanship like there's an art to me making food in I mean I'm by no means a shelf, but I can cook a few. Things are really good. You know, and I take great satisfaction that I absolutely love it you know I'll take. My wife is the heat this, but we we get home and more, like more hungry, will make food two hours later she's like She's like a lot of people are, are my brother, my brother's the same way like I'm fucking hungry. Now I need to eat now trying to rip your head off. What would you need to set up some cheese and some like salami or so that's what I started doing go put now. Some snack while I'm working everybody just relax where, like I could

Starvin, I get done with a long, Este, Gran and I'll go home and I want to. I like. I have this thing locked in my mind that I want to eat I'll, take two hours to make the thing, even though I'm stricken- and I have this- is like one o'clock in the afternoon- nine o'clock tonight do you find that as the person who is a craftsmen and artists and that you try to have that approach with, like other things in your life? To like what you talk, just talking about like making food in yeah sure is, I mean I feel like. I don't really think too much about the fact that I'm doing it this way, it's just kind of the way. I do things and I'm a little bit more methodical and I guess not necessarily more thoughtful than anybody else just like when I go to a when I approach these challenges. Are these things they had to do. I take my time to do them right, and try to do them right. The first time I used to actually when I was working for Bob, we would have to mock up stuff or build machines or fixtures

Here's a shot like that, and he was very his mind that was quick and dirty. We gotta do this, get this done as quick as possible and if it doesn't work the first time will make some modifications and will try the second time it still doesn't work, second, I'm so and so forth, and so on and so forth. Until we got it right where I would just think it through a little bit more first time was all I needed, but I heard there was a long time I used to do a lot of woodworking for you in the middle working, and I was always had to measure five times and cut twice right, yeah, and so I started getting to this point where, like I really had to think through, because it's just to me, it felt like a huge waste of time and g T n materials really to go through all that process and then so they had to be a long learning curve. The right to look really learn how to specially. I would imagine the forging aspect of it probably credibly difficult, yeah well

and when I was working for Bob, the only forging we did was forging the Damascus to make the patterns, and then we would like cut blades out and go from there. I learned forging about five years ago essentially working with gentleman named David Lish who's. Also he's a master blade Smith we're to Seattle. He's down, went the area now, but he he you know he did he's a blacksmith by trade that got into knife. Making any skill he's super talented specially when it comes the Boeing knives at hunters like he doesn't really great work and especially is Damascus patterns are really great, but to watch somebody move in material, like I said before, like stock, remove is a very valid way of doing it. 'cause the cost of the actual materials is very slow.

Compared to stop him Movil stock removal. So early I was talking about taking a bar and then cutting out the blade. Shea okay grants doc removal yeah, because you're literally removing stock for our. I see from that from the start, when you turn that would you take what's left and melt it down? You could melt it down. You could turn it in forge it into other stuff um. It's uh, the interesting practice. It's actually it's kind of. Like you know, people refer to yoga practice. You never going to be perfect, like there's, never going to be perfection, blade forging, but there's always an opportunity to learn something and the practice it, and so, when you see like you, have a decent little chunk, you start smashing on that thing and see what you can get out of it to economize that material and again, like I said you, don't really need to do that.

As of how inexpensive material is, but if you think back like even one hundred years like this high quality material is walking expensive, you had to get the most out of it as you possibly could, and so that's, why forging with such a big deal and then, as that price went down, people change the way they manufactured just because then the time was the thing that cost the most not the materials, and so they turn Around and made it easier to manufacture, they don't give a shit about the ways. Now, how did you learn? Handle geometry, like the handle in this hunting knife still going to do? yeah yeah, so your eyes is very unique. It is we can actually fits my hand perfectly. It fits in your hand, you Know- and that's that's the goal, a friend not cheer. A friend refers to it as the knife shaking your hand, yeah like it. It's so well. It feels like you're holding like this little she's got here for people that just listening.

There there's an initial smoothness in the front and then there's like this little box and little sticker at the bottom and it just locks in your hand band. It's I was inspired to do that by a and Claude Bouchard v he's a belgian maker. I first met him mod. Lord Claude Blue, Chevy he's a belgian maker. He The first time I met him was at blade. Show, which is a huge knife. Exposition is is one of the world that happens down and Atlanta. Every year, the first weekend of June he was my table neighbor and I had never told him the story, but the first time I His name is like the blades in everything. Look great without the handle, looks fucking weird as shit. This handle yeah very similar to that handle. His has more of like a nice gentle curve around to the end, instead of kind of how that was kind of at a clip or angular

um so finally like on the third day of the show, this really great maker that I look up to came over and he was just like doting over clouds work and I was like alright. There must be something that I haven't. I feel like such an asshole like I didn't even touch the stuff. I was just looking at it and judging and I picked it up and I was like what it was. It was a totally like what fuq right, 'cause that same feeling that you have when you're holding back. It feels perfect as like. It totally shifted. My entire mindset paradigm around what I thought handle shapes, should look and feel like, and that is definitely inspired continued, especially for like hard use knives like especially like for a bigger blade, like a Bush knife that you're trying to chop through stuff with a handle like that is going to benefit you immensely cuz it just it feels like a natural

tension of your hand, and is this your your logo, yes into the bottom, my insignia? So it's my name's mark, I'm out my seats to MS kind of swirling around each other. It looks kind of like a flame, I'm such a dork for the ship. I love it so interesting man and that that the handle to the something about the the handle being made out of antler like the antler, the feel that it has no hand to the head mechanic materials yeah organic, especially antler, an and bone they have this kind of like I don't know if you've experienced it with these a specially cut up the like the greasy meat, but it from a house from right to it. It does it stays grippy I has it become super slippery or anything to handle. My bro is actually made out of antler yeah. I had it. Custom made my friend John Dudley had these ones made from a a bowl that he killed on September. Eleventh, two thousand

like she's, the nine slash eleven bowl, and he had these handles made out of the antlers of this, and it does the way it sits in your and it's like it's got an even if you're sweaty or you know that, there's something you know it's raining out. Just has an extra grip what an especially something like that like if your skin I'm breaking down animal like it's important, but it's not going to like it's not like one of those moments where you relying on that grip for your life Ryan, when you do need that, for your life like right, you're trying to do like you're digging the ground you're going down the hill side, you're trying to do you have it and get a get a hold bike. That's going to be really important, but obviously that's a very rare

yes today and when that happened well, sister something's cool about it too. You know it's just like the tax to live yeah, it's just again. It goes back to the the essentially the user experience when what does it feel like? How is it different? It makes it really does make a difference. Yeah and the the one of the cool things to me also about antlers is that they showed them. You know they may use these things every year and that every year they grow a new one to know that it's the fastest growing organic material on earth. No, I didn't know that that shit right there that giant elk antler that grows in a couple months. I didn't know that yeah falls off right, lose it after they're done running. So I like they fell off and they just kind of not started like kind of slowly dying. They grow the whole thing back. In a couple months. It's radical see if you found of it

so that shows uhm Elk antler growth time lapse, 'cause it's crazy! How fast it grows. And it's all just for war. I mean? That's all that is it's to show off for the ladies hey, and it's also for war. It's interesting dear yeah, can. I look at my rack yeah. He had that rack just so he could fuck people up or people, but also Elk yeah. Definitely people if you get close to him. Fuck me up I look at the following. Photos were taken about a week apart over a period okay, this April first I'll check this out. Watch just just have a play out. It says over four months they show the incredible Grosso April first watch this is like at a farm that looks like it is looks like it's an out form, just let it play out April, beef boom so seven days later. Look at that April, 15th, bang, cock group, big that xyz

oh April 22nd, it's getting crazy, oh Mabel 29th. That's nuts may sixth leash it. I nuts may 13th pow what mother May 20th yeah may twenty yeah June. Fourth right ready go to war June, tenth thinking about look at now now I'm thinking about supposed June 17th, I will fuck dude up comes near me June. 24Th. Look at that and then July. First, that is crazy. Wi fi crazy and that's not even done July. Eighth July 15th now he's basically still in velvet right. And July twenty. Second, that looks hard horn to me. That looks like you should as velvet and then July. Twenty ninth is none nuts, because our so by the time August rolls around there like right now, beginning of September in hard Horned

and they'll go to war and they'll. Keep that shit. For you know till the end of this probably December, I think, maybe January, and then they lose it and so is the fastest growing organic material. Yes by volume. Wait! Yes! yeah, I think by all those things because it grows so fast. It's so heavy. I mean that's like forty pounds just of antlers and it grows over a couple months. Yeah, it's fucking nuts man seeing pictures made that up about the fastest growing organic material, but I think its true looking. It says the first fun fact I found that they can grow ten pounds of velvet per year. That's just the belt, just the velvet yeah hum yeah, but that's probably 'cause. It's a velvet, far they use that stuff for human growth hormone, like a lot of baseball players, were taken. Uh yeah, a friend of mine, my friend, John Rivet, shout out to Johnny Rivet. He lives

Alberta in his one of his friends, had an Elk farm up there in Alberta and he grew Elk not for the meat, but for the for the velvet because that stuff that grows grows so fast and so so ridiculously potent that they would take antler velvet and they were turned into a spray that would equal the effects of human growth hormone. How could you do that cross me like that? I don't know, but athletes were taking it out Please we're taking this stuff and it was having this for like growth, hormone reaction in their body aches and like Jack's son, get is an old is a better life to officially here they like. I really don't know. You know, I'm too stupid to be answering your questions, but There's something about deer velvet that was for quite in you know. I don't even know if it worked, but it was a big thing.

In the supplement and fitness industry that people are getting deer velvet thinking the new by bought it that you spray it and it supposed to give you a growth hormone. I do think that only bear did you have. You had only been before yeah. I have great it's great Olympia now this from Olympia. Washington, is a ruse originally yeah. I think it's brewed in Milwaukee now what the fuck everything's being sourced over. I mean what you're from the Pacific NW. But now you live in Connecticut, that's data sheet. On the most the whole video out. There me on Connecticut, like people, have made a compilation of me. Okay, I'm sure I'm sure plenty of it's warranted yeah, the all of it. Get outta. My good friend Tommy Junior lives in Connecticut yeah. I finally found it so uh. I think it's just antlers in general are the fastest growing tissue in

in an mmo, yeah and then Elk antler, is the fastest growing out of all of 'em, because it's the largest, so it grows in the same amount of time. The deer would grow its antlers, but it's far larger you know like if that we've been more mass than than a moose uh, no, no dear I moved to be there. Some mousse yeah here are the biggest they're, the biggest of all of the deer species like by far you know, I think, a full grown. Yukon moose could be as much as two thousand pounds a really big rocky mountain. Under normal circumstances is like a fucking giant. One is pushing a thousand she giant, though that would be like a four hundred inch bowl like that, for French, the the inches is the measurement of the size of the inches of antler. Like that, you see

one, that's in the front, yeah yeah, that's considerably bigger than this one. That was the one on the front is three hundred eighty two inches outside giant bowl. She said that was about a thousand pounds. He was, you know, huge moose Maier loses twice as big Hence, would see that thing goes. The fucka bench anymore. I gotta go and just start running, but mostly the weird thing about a moose is their antlers like a door. You know it's basically like right. Is there so fat? It's not like pokey. I mean they're, basically like they're, hitting each other in the head, with doors right there like big old, gloves, yeah and it, but you see, have you seen I've seen a few pictures where the especially moves their antlers get locked up in stuck more dear than moved down design of a moose's. Antlers is like it's not as in, but with dear it happens, all the time because there's a little bit of flex to the bone, sure and so the clash and in the force of

two of them slamming each other. They get stuck cd. Will they drown? Og save fought like and then wrestled and wound up in the water and wind up drowning, there's a horrible video. I saw of two deer that got stuck in one of 'em: got killed by a coyote, not just a kind of a whole pack of am torn to shreds. They tore him and they eat a mass hole. First, as I've documented many times in this podcast. Just like a lot of animals go for the, but first well yeah lions do a lot of them. Do I don't know what that's all about, but the one deer was still attached to his dead friend and these hunters to help it get released. They saw one of the antlers off the other deer is dead, deer and freed it. And this other one ran off like what a nightmare that guys lived through right now, his buddy it's his asshole torn apart.

They literally eating him alive, while he stuck to the guy- oh my god, probably fight yeah, damn him as well kick in and it could be about could have easily been you I mean literally, could have easily been you there's two deer. One of them gets eaten alive and the other one is just sitting there like living with the horror of his and these people come over and he can't get away from the fucking people and like these people going to eat mane and they don't even They let him go and they're hunters they a mop and let me lose crazy. Yeah get that there's one that Elk got stuck at the gym with the dead Elk. That's a dead elk! That's an l head that stuff on this. Other Elks but see I don't know what that was that to me it makes me think that that could have very easily been like an elk found, a dead elk and just started head button and ripped it's head off and got stuck. For them they kill each other. All the time right now

all the time. Oh geez, look at those rack When you hear them fighting like one of the first times ever went elk hunting. We are we're coming over this hill and it sounded like two dudes slam in baseball bats, together, just quack quack crack and when we- over the top of the hill, these two giant elk or just running at each other and smashing each other It was a magical day. It was like one of the first the l counted and there's a thing that, happens when you hit a peak rut and when the peak rut happens, they just go crazy. All around you, they're all screaming, and it might happen once in a season and you just if you might be there that couple hours when it all goes down. What's insanity insanity, there's all around you screaming and head biting each other, I can't imagine walking over the top of the hill, it's like on

Did you feel so vulnerable you're good, just want to hide behind a tree scene right now in there screaming at each other and they're, so big men, it's screen yeah. There's there's two going on it right there and you hear him. It is clash and slamming each other. Oh yeah yeah that It's the wrong spot black man and they don't even know he's alive right now and this and they kill each other all the time watching the hormones. They got going on this, like I don't give a fuck about anything else. Yeah my friend cam came across one last year and he crept up on it. He thought it was bedded and he shot it with an arrow and it didn't move and he's like what fuckin' he got over to it was already dead and another l could stabbed it. They stabbed through the heart and it laid down and died right habit

all the time, they're always finding that other elk of murdered. They don't result Fark they're, just going to get the imposing son trying to get done. How much is that a monster two month to month, maybe a little bit longer, there's a second run sometimes in October, when another female going to estrous and there were there zoom, the it's magical times. I can't imagine it's pretty cool man. Pretty cool. You know the real wild, the actual real wild. Well, you are in, naked man. You got to worry about two things hitting a deer with your car and Lyme disease. The line is okay, so that's something that we didn't as we're moving into our man. I wish I told you 'cause you and I were going back and forth when you're about to move right, yeah. That was definitely one of the things that were like wait. What they're everywhere Granbury are ticks in,

you're. Listening to this anywhere on the EAST coast, especially the new Yorkers, got it bad there's a Lyme disease map, and you see like the instances of Lyme Disease in the EAST coast. It's horrific man and I know fuckin' at least a dozen people that have it and it stays with you for life yeah and my friend Jim Miller, he's got a fights in the UFC he's gonna take a giant fistful pills. Every day I mean he's, got a real bad, real bad and he's still fighting yes fighting in the UFC Those dear to I've been worried about. Actually when we were special we're moving out, because I was driving through Pennsylvania. I hit Pennsylvania I'd like to we drove cross country at sunset and drove from there all the way to Connecticut an arc, and

all I could think is like I'm going to fucking hit a deer. You see so many of 'em right, you see so many dead ones on the side of the fucking road. Yeah blows my mind, but the biggest issue has been actually other Connecticut drivers. Is this being the biggest concern my wife and I both have been t boned in the last eight months. People in Connecticut just they're. Just given up man, this hit the gas and coal rise. Well, what's crazy is like I've driven I've driven in LA have given in New York. I've driven in like in order in Seattle, all kinds of crazy places, but they all have like a culture about how they work, and I could not figure out Connecticut and a friend finally explained it to me.

He said they're driving as if nobody else is on the road, and I was like holy shit that makes perfect sense the choices they make our as if nobody else is there I'll be coming up in the passing lane. Somebody going to the right of me: there's no exits coming up, there's no other cars for like half a mile, I'm cruising probably like five hundred and ten miles faster than them. They changed lanes right in front of me why you know why? Because like say, if you come your let's say there's a thing that you're making like in Appoxee right when you making epoxy there's several to several ingredients. They have to add to it, or maybe

The best example like say: maybe there is electronics, just whatever it is that you're you're making. So you so if you're making a thing and it requires ten different ingredients. If you are a person in Connecticut, you have eight ingredients, you don't have those other two and you just do with it. Without you just deal with it, you just missing two things: just hit the gas and dry places license, and no one knows what they're doing and that this is not a real state. It's just not well also bonkers that we weren't expecting. Is that, like, unless you're driving fifteen to twenty miles over the speed limit, you're going too slow or like a stop light and stop signs are suggestion people used right, our lead on even live wires. Beating madly, don't know where they're going where they go and they don't understand the still small you could drive to the stadium and a half hour missing all sorts of stuff. The just to this so confused nine, I'm not trying to see

Should I Canada to latest it's just it that those things have been a serious culture shock for us yeah, it's despair, despair hit, the gas with crazy is, is beautiful, state gorgeous Yes, especially in the summer man horrifying trying around that time then get out of your car. You get bit by one thousand ticks and you fucking can't walk anymore. The humidity too. I was not expecting. That is great on your balls right balls well. Yesterday I was in my shop. I wasn't doing shit like I could have just been sitting here like fiddling around with. I was sweat, drenched acid yeah. EAST Coast Florida, what the hell, yeah! Well, you're used to you know that Pacific NW does really get that hot and the summers are glorious like Seattle and Oregon Summers, God their glorious. Everything is fuckin' neon, green and the sun comes out. It's amazing. It's almost

almost makes up for the winter, but not quite the lack of winter. Well, just the rain just the rain. Is there is a winner? It's just it's! Not it's not frozen is tempered, but it's just Just go and do you like I could I could hang in there in the summer- comes like hey. It's going to be fine, but you like a like a beaten wife waiting for your husband to come home, The key is not home. Now I've got a great house, but he's coming home he's coming home is going to be home for eight months. Piss on your hair after eight months, eight months clouds, beers and just everybody put themselves, it's dark up there. Man, I don't think people are meant to live. That I mean I think it's gorgeous and there's benefits to it for sure, but

had a buddy of mine. He tried to convince me to live up there. It's hilarious, my friend salami. He moved to Portland, that's his name. I tried to move to Portland. He did move to Portland he's teaching Jiu Jitsu up there. It's like two, It's fucking great up here, fucking amazing! I go you don't mind about the winner. You don't mind about the because now he goes to the people are so fucking cool to restaurants are amazing and the summers are so good. Three years later is back in la what happens I couldn't do it man couldn't do it anymore. Ah, I see so it's a thing: you hang in there for as long as you can, but We can hang in there forever that what it is, but some people can. I can hang A lot of people have what is it Shin Syndrome or some? I think it's because you grew up there and I don't think so, because my sister and my mom both grew up there to my wife, even they can't They, they hate it, especially the winter time, the winter time when it is that dark, grey

like it, doesn't snow it just rains just gets dark. I guess I think part of my she was like. I said I always worked in restaurants or in ever and in a shop. So it's like I'm in a virtual cave all the time right, I'm not experiencing that, except for the drive home, or to Work is a Jamie. Just said sad as I was looking up: seasonal, affective disorder, that's the acronym! They give that yeah sad, sad, that's what this girl is Adeline, it's real. I mean they probably called it that on purpose I mean, I don't think they, needed to call it seasonal, affective disorder. That's not the best feel like because of the rain disease. Well, something isn't it something about like the lack of vitamins, Do you know why, in this I'll tell you what, though, there's light therapy I take it. Connecticut all day. Take Seattle over Connecticut all day, I dream about sometimes

Is there even Connecticut. I lived in Denver for only a few months People that live in Connecticut right now go what the fuck dude actually running gag folks. I don't really care not actually when we Denver, Denver, beautiful, love, Denver love, it love it. First move there? I thought it was so. I agree group in Washington right at the base of Puget sound water around actually used to like sale on a racing team and stuff. Like that, I was like wow I'm going to miss the water so much, and it is so green too. I got there and I was like I don't think I care about the water. I care about the green, but the second. The spring rains hit everything turned green, all the trees start blossoming like Holyshit, and it was beautiful, the beautiful yeah, the only thing I hated about Denver, everybody had a fucking dog and nobody cleaned the dog that was shit everywhere, lazy,

first, because all the pot, all the legal pot to everywhere, but you know it as that's amazing man is the view of the mountains. There's something about being right. Darren seeing those rockies that just like humbles you it puts it in perspective. So that's what that's, what being in sounds like as well yeah, because you always got Mount Ranier right, the US. It's crazy, like the road, the cities were engineers, so, like you, coming up and down hills and like Moon, the bright mountain right right and is a monster. Nine year is on a monster yeah. It's amazing that we, when I'm looking for big foot up there once man Duncan yeah yeah, we've on the beach to one Tony Blair that yeah that area two is so densely wooded. It's really incredible when you go walking through the woods like theirs, you don't make any sound when you walk. You don't leave any footprints, because it's just like feet thick. Pine needles in the models soft and it's interesting and lush and filled with Elk manners Elk everywhere up there and

like they run. They run like thirty feet. You can't see him anymore, 'cause, there's like so many trees, God, my in laws. They live s of Olympia and they have one thousand six hundred and sixteen acres out there where they live and like three or I think it's like four or five that are like cleared for like a field in a barn in the house and stuff rest of it's all wood. Then they got blackberries that cruise, through their large cats, are like bobcats and Lynx in Schitt, an elk for sure, and they have a orchard and Al Curtis out there standing on their hind legs are primary tonight shut up there beautiful the cooler watch too yeah. That's I mean that is a lush tropical rainforest up there, it's so wild. It's so so interesting to when you, when you're up there, you you realize, like how diverse it is with life when you're walking around in it, and you see just Elk schitt everywhere you go walking through the wood is that there is just yeah just with them piles all the pallets little marbles, yeah yeah.

Don't want this. How much life up there is salmon there's so much salmon there's eagles up. There means it's gorgeous man. Yet here you aren't flocking Connecticut Brown, mushroom hunting, there's all kinds of stuff like you can really live off the land. There's some great spots, Goshen, trailing Olympia area, sure I'm getting out in the woods and just walking around. It's actually been really cool. Take, especially when you go back in the summer time, and especially in the summer time to go visit family to take my little dude, my sons, two years old, he just turned two and so walking with him. He just fucking loves it walking through the and you don't have to worry about the fucking ticks Brian get Lyme shift like that. Go out there and roll around all you want, but going up, they have a nice little like quarter. Mile trail goes up through the woods. Let me just walk through that thing. He just marches along the whole fucking way, and

that experience of stopping and listening, you can hear the red tail HAWK crime at the top of everything else, and then you they have great horned owls from time to time. That Cook Kris the was there in here that little chip marks in the world. He has a karosa in them hello, Jays and had everything and stopping and telling him that he had here that he just stops so it takes and it's it's wild to see a little kid who is so fucking rambunctious he's in the house, but you get him out into the woods. Well, the overwhelming sense you still listening source sensor, everything so cool yeah amazing to looking at through the eyes of your child and just watching them experience, and all these things it's it's like you can almost see like the little do you in the head, yeah,

no. It is amazing. That's one thing that I didn't anticipate before we had children. It's like watching them learn like oh wow. If there's a trick crazy trip, you get out of watching kids learn. You know this. The something about like you'll, learn watching them learn, and it really sort of reinforces this idea that every human being is essentially, I mean they're, not a thanks late, but They are most certainly subject to the influences of their environment. What they experience. Actually they take that data in yeah. It's crazy, like we have. He loves maps we, maps maps. Yet we are, you know how, like a lot of kids, get those like bedroom math that have like the roads and stuff. We got one of the work like the globe and none of that countries are marked down on it or anything, but we knew some of the spots, and so we say it isn't much. He knows where, like over. A hundred different countries are like he wants to he

where they're at he can point out the difference between Cambodia, Guam Vietnam, Nepal, rush it and like Russia, China pretty easy, but then you go over to Europe. He's like hungry turkey, great he like. He knows he knows where Portugal is. He knows he can show you this late, though I did tell you where Africa is a pretty sure. I know the difference between Australia, New Zealand telling reason I know them is 'cause, I'm playing the game with him, so we got more maps that have like the world again, but everything's marked out and he's starting to learn all the different flags. He knows he knows like at least a dozen in a different flags, open. You know children, I mean they learn language, so quick, so open think about kids learn language by the time they go to school. They already know how to talk yeah. Well, they don't they don't learn, what learn? How to talk has degree

at the university level for teaching English as a second language. So a long while, and so she inch hurt, she comes from a family of teachers, her parents, both of her parents, her sister, her great grandmother, I'm sorry, her grandmother call educators. Now this must be amazing for her to be a mom, then yeah and so feature I mean she's with the dude all day like she, fucking loves the shit out of him, but you know like you spend infected day in and day out the little do like the little little bucking. None goals running around and trying to learn how to interact with the moral yeah it's great, but it's so cool and and with that background, understanding how to interpret what's going on in his brain a little bit so to help nourish it essentially to help like you know, just make things that much more solid, like

crazy es all speaks so clearly, that's awesome. That sounds, and I got to get out here, but I know you have a blind auction yeah I have do you want your bill. Go grab those dives, so we can talk about those real, quick grammar. Quick mall will tell people about the auction but he's he's, got these fucking killer knives that he's made these chefs knives one that's going up So I look how beautiful that is. We're looking at his mousy fire arts, Instagram page in the design the pattern on this chef's knives. It doesn't even look real folks, I mean it looks like someone's It looks like someone put like one of those crazy cartoon filters. Doesn't it is that it that's the knife right there news at once, so people could see it and yeah yeah here it is right here, I'm holding it up.

So this knife is up for auction. No, actually, although it is not that one is not this one here and in case you can pull that out and how could people auction? How can people bid a so? This is for benefit for our. This is the Alex or Sorry LA loves, Alex's, lemonade stand, which is for childhood cancer research, and so on line smells if you go to my instagram profile, uhm IRS on Instagram, I have link actually in my bio. That goes straight to the auction page. For this knife. Now these knives are right. Now, my current prices, this one knife is four thousand two hundred dollars, but right now I think the bidding is that, like now there is two thousand one hundred, so is that somebody could get it for less than what I would normally divided. When does it end once he has learned the auction ends on Saturday, the eighth. So that's when the actual event is a Mexican.

Be there at the event hanging out. If anybody any questions about it. Talk about it or you know just kind of hang out. That's double folks, but it's interesting like doing. This kind of work is the first time I've ever had anything that I felt like I could give back with 'cause otherwise, like I was just, did chity little jobs, but this is the first time I feel like. I have something like an offer. So in coming up from very little very humble beginnings, this is an opportunity. Now to feel like. I can give back, and so that's very true this from that's very cool for sure with this man I'm glad we finally got together and thank you for making me these awesome knives. I will cherish them forever. You're a funny moment and craft spent their to do this thanks for being here. Alright folks will be back soon. You Fuchs.