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#1168 - Mareko Maumasi

2018-09-06 | 🔗
Mareko Maumasi is a bladesmith and custom knife maker. https://www.maumasifirearts.com/
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
the joe rogan experience well the lost art of night making it's still alive how are you man i'm doing good man i was coming down here appreciate it sucking huge i really appreciate you have me down it listen man you made two awesome well four awesome knives for me but this one is one i use all the time that i've posted on instagram that people freak out as we were talking about before the podcast it actually is meteor yeah meteorite what's meteors a big one meteorites a little one said the idea you know yeah sure the knife maker so
didn't actually make it so i made the knife i forge and i've but the steel is is a very special kind of steel that very few people can actually manufacture on a small scale in the world and that was made by my shop meet peter forsberg and so he the media right is kind of a a small elements in the whole matrix because most me right is all nickel or all iron or something like that in this one particularly is a lot a nickel and some cold ball and if you're gonna make it actually you double steel out of it you can't really use a whole lot of it in the overall mixture mmhm so is there any media rights remain all iron yeah definitely you just have to find them you can find the ones yeah and their their impact sites all over the world like their hit no world all the time how is a word
is it can you just take him like when they land is it yours if you find it and you don't have to report it to nasa or anything right now hey bro found some space junk let me are so small that they by the time they get here hit the actual earth surface they've completely disintegrated or burned up so it's the really massive ones and this was part of impact i think in south america oh wow i can't remember where he's it's just crazy to think that this is a piece of space in their backyard in this dope pattern i'm really in the craftsmanship man i always have been i love handmade pool cues and this desk which is a handmade desk and i you like it's one of the things that i really appreciate in this modern digital world and i
so feel like unfortunately it may be one of the things that slipping away it definitely is slipping away i think with you know with technology technology have been great for us in a lot of different ways like shouldn't be talking talking into a piece of metal and it's recorded on a computer going through a wire fly into the air like it does a lot of great things but in doing all those great things it actually has taken us away from really creating an working with our hands and so like you know even this whole like farm will movement where people even growing their own vegetables you got your own chickens laying eggs three like knowing where this stuff is coming from having like first hand contact with that just having that relationship in general with it brings more value to the overall experience of eating those eggs or using that knife or sitting at this fucking table right here and it seems
a fairly recent movement in that direction right like it feels like things got so digital the people like whoa whoa whoa with the facebook and the fucking graham i want i i i you know i want a wood table i want to solve this i'm in my self yeah your hands on it yeah i don't want to stick yeah i want real stuff and the do something about handmade things whether it's a handmade pair of boots are handmade bag like this like there's something about things that are made by hand that people get like a deep appreciation of front for sure well i think i think it also kind of goes back like i was saying like this technology is advanced we've kind of grown away from these kind of what's considered like blue collar work yeah and craftsmanship kind of work but i think people really are driven by a sense of achievement an when you're doing that entry that literally millions of people fucking monkeys can be trained to do not to like
finish anything that anybody doing but literally like to be able to go into a craft and to an have a hands on experience is very very very very different in that sense of achievement even when somebody comes out of something and maybe i taught a class on how to make a knife and it looks like a fucking turd they're going to think it looks like the most beautiful fucking life they've ever seen in their life because there hands and their creative they've touched their energy their sweat and pop really some of their blood is put into creating that thing and that brings that much more value yeah i think that's an issue with people today that have jobs they don't feel are very for filling is that there's no real saying that they're creating at the end where as like if you make a table at the end when you're putting the final sanding on the final you
hello layer of of stain and you're looking at it like i made this yes is the real thing that i can touch that i made just like human beings in our current form we have a there's a do a deep connection to making things physical things and observing an appreciation for things that people have made whether it's a rifle that somebody made or a knife or you know a hammer that's someones made there's something about that that we just have a real appreciation if you can bias a knife from the store that's aid in a shot i mean it'll work now some knife it's made some mass manufacturing process it work and it's fine i mean you'll appreciate it but you won't appreciate it like i appreciate this thing like every time i take this out i'm like super careful you know and then the handle the handles made out of this is moose antler an elk antler right there at the top and then move the bottom so
and i saw your conversation or listen to your conversation with guy ritchie and you brought up that there was i think actually jamie pulled it up and it was like bagh oak and and she was like bago yeah bugger there american bugs not you know if there are any american box it was from a bog in russia and it was carbon dated two hundred and fifty four hundred years old jesus sensually it's been sunk in in about just the other knife that you made for me that has a handle it that's how house one to get ahold of bago so people are raising long there actually was a show i think it was on discovery channel or history where people were their job was raising log
out of the palace wants down in louisiana and the self and using making use of that word for jai singh not projects like this so that but that's happening all over the world and some of that stuff are these ancient logs that it you know it's the right and conditions where the log the tree falls over it just sits there and steve's and you know that's a big thing for a pool cue shafts lakewood shafts they they like to take these logs out of the bottom like lake michigan or something and then they dry it all out and then they make shall out of it and there's something about it being in the bottom of the water for so long it does something to the way they feel when he got there jamie that's ancient bob would die artisan dice dungeons and dragons yeah that's that's nerd ship right there something super polished up that looks cool are those
imagine dragon nerds die sorry i heard ice multi sided yeah yeah sides on that now what would that was only for a game right you wouldn't play dice dice yeah they use for all kinds of different they actually like value holders for the most part value holders would yeah so like sixteen so the countdown with the dice and so they have an actual place holder sitting there that says sixteen fifteen to whatever well you understand dungeons dragons you might be a dork brother my brother in law is magic gathering super dork that's for people that get kicked out of the dungeons and dragons
this is a different iteration of chess really i mean it's just it's all strategy is definitely not that what is this that's beautiful handle now how bearing maine that kids in montana really good guy he's a nice kid met him a couple years ago and in eugene actually they do a knife show there every so that log that image you just showed jamie that's bog oak that some other like big chunks of it that they pulled out wow interesting so you must be the community of you people these these knife making people yeah there there are quite a few people who have started getting into the night making making world the world the
surgeons of kind of hand crafted hand forged knives kind of started back in the seventies and it was a it stemmed off from home i think is a custom knife making association or yeah because a knife makers association and then it stand off to the a b s which is american blades missus it that was all about forged blade and kind of the mission to retain that knowledge in that history and and the skills that go into actually taking a piece of metal and forging a blade out of it like your blades they were forged to shape they wear one per approach is to just take a bar steel
trace out a line cut that out where it's totally valid way of doing it forging the forging aspect especially if somebody doesn't actually know what they're doing they're just like heating up a piece of steel they don't know how fucking hot it is getting they don't know when to stop hitting it they may be hitting it too cold they may be overheating it and hit it while it's way too hot they could really actually do detrimental damage to the material on turn out a piece of shit so the forge aspect really just brings kind of anesthetic and kind of a depth
of story to help bring kind of more to that product well it's another level right handed another layer of it's not just hand crafting something from you know just a piece of metal that you bought you put all the pieces together and polish it down and sanded it when did you get into this so i'm kind of a funny story so i got into this back in two thousand and eight is when i met bob kramer at the time i was working in a restaurant actually in my hometown of olympia and i was going to restaurant i was moonlighting as an assistant salsa dancing instructor and even like like community performances and shaped like that and i was twenty four and i didn't know what the hell i was with myself and i didn't really have much of a direction in my life i was terrible at school you know i had maybe forty credits towards towards an aim i don't even have them like an actual certification and
do we have any kind so anyways i was sharing this with my dance partner and she had just started working for this guy who was a knife maker and she's like oh you should meet him he's really interesting you know you kind of feel like you lost he's been all over the world he's even like he was even a clown at one point in this program are used to be a clown he was a clown i think for a year for ringling barnum and bailey and from what i understand it was a great experience and he loved it and but anyway she's like you know i think you guys would hit it off i think maybe he could help bestow some wisdom as to where you're at and where he was at and maybe what kind of choices or options you have ahead of you and so i met up with him at the brew pub that was actually working at an got some beers gaza which is sitting bull shiting and it ended up turning into a job opportunity none of us really went into it knowing that that's the direction it was going to go but he was anticipate
he had a an article coming out in the new yorker like in a month that was gonna really like blow his up and he had had a couple big articles like in savoy magazine and he was featured and i could still illustrated at one point and each time like there's a huge influx and so i think in and part of anticipation for that he's like look you seem like a nice guy you don't really seem to have a direction maybe we could work something out i can't make any promises to you with i have full time work for you so he just took you on as an apprentice essentially i saw a video with him into the board and that's how i found out about him he was making a knife with meteors right with a piece of meteorite in it as well same kind of thing and i remember thinking like wow crazy is this guys hammer
this thing together and put in that that was like one of the ways that i got interested in custom knife making sure him and i'd always had not i use you know like pocket knives you know the right and i was like cut kind of i thought they were cool and enjoy them but until watch that video i didn't realize that there was a lot of people out there there it is him and i didn't realize there was a lot of people that are out there doing this from scratch and you know then i was like all i got get a nice and then then i saw your page on instagram and a movie thinking wow this guy does some wild shed and i don't remember how you and i got to chatting i don't remember i just remember seeing your stuff on instagram you reached out to me email and i was like was it an email or was it a yeah instagram message actually i'm not sure i think it was the email
either from your website yeah use had seen my email on one of our previous conversation okay but i was like this can't be like the job programs and then as the conversation continued on and i was like because he also your picture for the emails like this goofy picture you doing like kissy faces up like five dollars and let me and i was like holy i think this actually might be joe rogan this is crazy and but it's doing this crap in doing this work and and finding and connecting with people who have an appreciation for the actual like the actual work that goes into it and appreciating the
value he's been in you know i know like even five years ago when i first started under my own brand there's no way would i thought i'd be sitting here hang out with you guys is kind of a been a crazy ride for me well that's crazy right for me to ma'am all that is left crazy but like i said i i've always had a deep appreciation for artists since you know for for art but i think this i think you're nice making is art mean i really do like look at this is jamies pulled up an image from your website that shows this incredible blade design now this is what i've always wanted to know like is that demand casteels that that is that is damascus and it's just a quick note this is actually a post that i did too another maker his name is julie and you can actually kind of see it there on the right margin now the s american kid so blatantly the blaze that you made that you have here today that you had that you bring with you for an auction those
the patterns on those things are fucking insane what do you do that like how do you make these 'cause it's not steel for people that are just listening to this like that one is a great example right i would really love for people who are just listening to just please go spout go spread out go back to the hey jamie so i could see the headline shrink it stuck what you mean you can't shrink it zoomed in and it won't zoom out what happened with the touchpad what did you call the touchpad these god damn we got an old ass laptop there a u m a s fire arts and m a s by si am a u m a s i a fire arts the fire arts so get stuck yeah m mau si fire arts
if you go there that's his page you'll be able to check it out an order books or closed you're focht order yeah i i am i'm at three years right now i just kind of like i had to shut it down because it's kinda overwhelming point yeah it like it's a good problem but it's overwhelming because it's fun i can only imagine yeah now and balancing doing the work with now that you know like the marketing and branding maintaining relevance their social media and taking the time to create content on top of all that it i mean especially when you're first start do it the content part side of it time constraints and crazy like long waiting list man three years yeah and realistic it's actually in at least in the knife making world it's not uncommon for people to actually wait longer than that it's the same thing with the pool cue world right there
same thing or a lot of these famous pool cue manufacturers like sw or sugar tree and then they have ten year waiting lists and it's just because they do it right it takes long time everything's done by hand right they're highly sought after and because of that like you could buy a pool cue from you know company that makes them through you know computer process and there fine they play really good just like a knife that you buy from a store that's right you know made by a machine and it's all done mass manufacturing it'll cut your meat it works great yeah it gets the job done doesn't feel the same thing doesn't it's crazy like you can feel the difference yeah between a handmade thing anna machine made thing yeah it's it's side trips me out every time well this little something that people leave and things that they make i mean the really is i mean i i think it exists and everything that people make with us clothing a jury furniture or anything i mean i think there's a
something that people leave when the in the in the thing that they make what is there something you talk about sometimes about how animals in here like passed down through genes like watch out for this plan watch out for the editors and like that like the passing something on like that kind of in a way like where i'm toiling over something like that for you know forty dedicated solid hours right making sure it's as perfect as i possibly can make that thing at this point in my life the skills i gotten i i think there's something to that i mean i even if it's just a thought even if you just know when you touch it like if i touch this knife i know that you made this you know when i'm when i'm cutting something with this and i'm cooking i know that you made this so maybe it's just even only in my head it's still it just feels different you know and uh
i don't know i mean there's rupert sheldrake who's a don't know what exactly kind of scientist is but he has this bizarre theory and he's a really interesting guy to talk to so i would never discount it he thinks that everything has memory he thinks it just queues can access that memory but he thinks there's things that have memories he thinks that our idea that memory is something that only animals and humans possess is is just it's probably not true and that that's probably one of the reasons why people don't want to buy a house for some was murdered you know i mean i like the idea is that a haunted house even if it's not really a ghost like maybe that home has memories yeah maybe like my dad went to gettys burg and he's not woo woo at all he's like as fuqing great laced across the board no bulshit as it gets and he said man you could feel
sadness there he goes he's think of how many thousands of people died at gettysburg and he said when you were there it's just it feels sad like you feel death here yeah i don't know if that's real or if it's maybe the knowledge that you have that there was a war there i mean i don't know i used to do this thing where i would walk through cemeteries just interested like looking at people's names right and like when when did they live and what did people have to say about them or what you know what's left behind and just walking through cemeteries like sometimes i would even do it on halloween to try to access it is definitely feels weird in there and when you do this i used to run through some retirees i should run through him because i would want to be reminded but life is short get something done make something happen yeah those people that aren't here anymore but the thing
cemetaries like thirty dead when they get in there i think like the thing is like if you're on a boat somebody gets murdered on that boat you're in the boat you fucking freaking there's something about like things like if you had a thing if you had a a wallet that mike tyson owned you know what i mean you'd hope and you know there's something to it morphic resonance residents okay that's rupert sheldrick fearing uh theory developed by rupert sheldrake british biologist paranormal influenced by which a pattern of events are behavior can facilitate subsequent occurrences of similar patterns of that's right
that is that is not about it memory that is does other other referred to in a lot of other ways in the memory is inherent in nature and yeah yeah i think that's part of it like i think what i was talking about is part of his theory of morphic resonance but morphic residents i think he's he's yeah here it says that hold on scroll back scroll down so the process whereby self organizing systems inherent a memory from previous similar systems so when he was talking about with morphic this was how mice they learn like say if you have a pattern and there's like he's at the end of this pattern and through a maze if one house figures out that pattern other mouse can out quicker and there's something somehow or another they learn from each other and when chimpanzees were observed using tools other chimpanzees
this side of the world started mimicking that behavior without any interaction with those chimpanzees at all yeah yeah yeah very strange that's like butterfly well more intense than butterfly effect because it implies that there's some sort of collective formation pool that they're sharing through the ether that there's some something that they're they're sharing through unknown method as crazy yeah well it's been it's actually been shown there is some sort of a there's something to this and there's a lot of criticism of it so if you're one of those people right now that's like a strict materialist you screaming out i get it i get it someone who's a real rationalist who just wants only science provable the thing
is it is kind of provable because there is there has been some tasks and there's fierce opposition to this which is anything that has like some woo woo attached to it's going to have some fierce hopper but rupert was a really fascinating guy and he's also a rare scientist that's he he he was he was christian as out he's really into he as a certain level of christianity that he accepts and adopts because it feels like it's beneficial to him very interesting guy yeah that's yeah i did a podcast a few years back yeah he's a trip him and um uh there was a mathematician and terence mckenna who is the other gentleman that was the trial logs they had these fantastic recordings it was
sheldrake mckenna and one other guy was also brilliant and they would go back and forth they had these ralph abraham abraham abraham's or abraham abraham and they they did these series of talks and this is one of the things that came up like mckenna was the most woo woo ralph abraham was at least wuan and sheldrick was kind of in the middle right now interesting stuff of your hanging around yeah the trial logs there the recordings available somewhere i think our friends psychedelic a i think lorenzo has them are there available online oh go bam soundcloud yeah they're fucking cool man actually i don't know why you can't play it was there i got taken down now yeah that is the case we got removed yes it was probably selling it it's really
although there you know you get to see these guys in 1990s pre internet was it pre internet might not have been it might be like ninety eight i think mckenna died around two thousand ish he died post too on site c dialect two thousand and three or something when did he die why am i asking this this is all about memory and things we went on a deep throat was here but anybody's listen in two thousand two thousand yes he made it to y two k and then he kicked the bucket
anybody who's uh just interested in really cool conversations it's something listen to that sounds very interesting yeah just three super smart dudes kind of debating ideas and bounce them around off each other you know what i've actually gotten into recently is listening to old recordings of like alan watts oh yeah he was great reading joseph campbell and just like yeah i know just absorb and trying to figure out what that means to me today in this like the heroes are in the world yeah yeah what's is a fascinating guy plus that accent may themselves so much cooler
drone i lose in the long term injured from her yeah his the actually the first time i ever got into a good like a unlike a meditative space was a meditation led by alan watts from around the one for like sixty seventies and just the way he explained it for me mike was the first time i ever made sense how meditation should when he's like don't try to not think of anything but just accept them that they're there and but also ignore them at the same time out yeah because we're in that i just told he like i felt like i was above myself watching me he says just sitting there listening to this record as a trip why he's such a heady guy lives the sound of his voice and just hearing his thoughts when you hear a really deep thinker like him one of the things that it does is kind of gets you into that pattern of thought and you realize like oh i can probably kind of sort of think that way too
allow myself to be guided by his words and sort of try to pay attention to how he's doing this now he's he was an interesting guy because not just was he a deep thinker but his the influences of those people it's very different like there's very few recordings even back then for them to listen to you know this stuff was based on reading and their education and their actual life experiences so they we're very unique and original they were really the cornerstones for a lot of these deep philosophical ideas and so then when you hear alan watts recording today something like me or some other people that listen to that they might might share those ideas or reflect on those ideas but clearly these are not my ideas these ideas that have come from these intense cornerstone people whether it's mccanna alan watts or something like that
get a chance while you're when you're working do you listen to shed or do you just there i got all the time to sit in the headphone since early 'cause yeah it seems like it be loud as fuck yeah so i just got ahold of these like bluetooth head like earbuds and they have like this memory foam so they are memory foam earbuds like tips so that helps reduce the amount of noise it's actually coming in so it helps protect in that way just kind of in general like a normal like inner ear plug would work but also because it's reducing the amount of noise it's getting in you can also listen at a lower volume so you're not like blowing out your ears to be able to hear whatever you're listening to but you wouldn't through normal earbuds right 'cause it's so loud in your shop yeah yeah so much whenever i'm working like especially if somebody happens to pop by the shop and they want to see and like they're just curious and so we have stuff going on or we can heat some steel up real quick and do quick demonstration usually i don't
the time to throw all that stuff in fact it is so loud i actually feel like my hearing has become more sensitive since i started making knives than it was before probably years getting beat up well it's not always have ear plugs and i always have a hearing protection and so on so it my hearing is always protected so i feel like it's become more since better sense of here i don't know if that's possible to get your hearing back or whatever but maybe a protecting it means doing better because of that yeah i just i hear a lot of things by all the things it feels like whenever i take my hearing that you're hearing protection out i'll be at home something in a month nice my wife looked at me like i'm crazy is the one in this case the case of one of like maybe a fight you know people don't use their hands in the hands get soft i don't know i haven't used you can't gain it back but you might be protecting it longer and since you're have a sensitivity issue maybe since it's
quieter all day so if you blow it out from my concert and she like that that's it i thought it was all you can do is get a hearing aid what about the little here exam celery some they don't i don't you know we do that is because it's literally what you hearing with the stuff like a hair follicle that's right vibrating again it's can you blow that shit out they haven't synthetically made those yet and rome yet i feel so bad for those old rock stars it didn't know any better and now they're just talking to him huey lewis play anymore all of a sudden that's the lords work just kidding just kidding anyway said to be square
yeah man it's up what to do from my ac dc who else engus is gone jesus for himself yeah buck and everybody's going deaf yeah they also probably didn't protect them something you should of never know you better back then have you ever is seen a documentary it's older one all older one it was like from the early two thousands but this woman she progressively got different differ and she grew older man till like i think you in high school or something like she was like practically completely deaf but she's a percussionist and she's like a world renowned percussionist there's this awesome document is called touch the sound and she hears through her body which is a file it trips me out but the tones that she's able to achieve the control she has over everything what ever kinda instrument she's playing it's it's a awesome documentary wow but she has
almost literally no hearing she hears everything through her body too so it's kind of interesting to think like if angus can figure that shit out then i mean he's holding the fucking thing is handball then such as angus the lead singer right who is the lead singers name fox his damn second lead singer brian johnson not forget that he's gone deaf too angus in bryant and angus is like always headbanging what kind of cte does that guy have jesus i mean fucking christ you shouldn't be doing that god you're talking to dd about that the other day yeah i was i was thinking like all through high school like i played football from seven
grade all through high school and like all the stuff they're learning now i'm just like jesus was happening to me too and we always lead with our head course yeah my neck was always all kinds of fuckd up in an i definitely had some serious concussions i'm sure and yeah sometimes it scares me worries me a little bit like what does that mean for sure how old you know four yeah man just turned and for um it's scary you know you're lucky stopped when you did i know i know a lot of people with brain damage me too i'm sure i have some guaranteed last i mean i don't think anybody writes for free i think you get hit in the head enough you got some brain damage you know i got hit in the head on a regular basis for mwe most most of my younger years from like fifteen till like twenty two
i got hit in the head all the time it's just nobody knew any better you know and back then he thought that like once you've got like once you're slurring your words and stuff if you just stopped my god he's a little punchy should stop right that's how people thought but didn't realize that it's regressive and then like you don't even really show brain damage
ten years after the in initial injuries right that's when you really start showing damage sold some some c t e just compounds it until it just becomes unmanageable for these poor people yeah i actually i can't especially after watching concussion in and seen in reading my articles about the real life people that the shots happened too i like it i have a hard time watching football on like i used to watch football time i am i've never been like crazy in the sports knowing all the stats never stuff i enjoy watching like a good contest i never really rude for anybody but now when i see like even kids signing to draft or signing up from high school to go to a certain college in somebody's baby yeah tearing themselves up like is that where the yeah that were the
i dive i would like a port kids fighting way before support kids doing football and both of them i'd be nervous about and you know i mean there's other stuff like x games type they're into extreme sports and you know people that are in a snowboarding snowboarders wipe out all the time and cracked her head open can you get a scholarship and martial arts of any kind mike thanks college just wrestling that's a big that's a big driver right there though right wrestling that's where the money wrestling certainly a martial art is by one of the most important martial arts probably it right that's it i mean judo maybe is there a school that has judo these to boxing and schools meaning back in like 50s and 60s and chip there was boxing was a legitimate sport in college but not anymore yeah yeah yeah it just can't really watch it anymore i mean you have to be careful like with your hand eye coordination and your fingers and chit now
you know i mean you yeah thanks think like when you're working with hammers and high metal and you you must always have to be under way because everybody that works and sheen chops missing finger tip sums up this crazy stories to like buffer the buffer like the old lovely little thing is leah one of the most dangerous things 'cause it catches an edge just like your snowboarding you catch a bad edge and just plan it bites the blade bites into that and it acts as a hand and just rips it flings it wherever it's thrown knives right back in the guys and fucking killed him oh fuck yeah my wife probably hate see what in this reality i've done i've actually done a lot of work to do get away from using buffers because of that and i'm still like doing great work edges i have a lot of friends who just they'll never touch a about for one terrifying if
scary what does it look like for people don't know put up like what would you call it maybe she'd like a buffing push it i don't know what you order again usually it's like a benchtop thing like a bench grinder usually has like the hard wheat round stone wheel on one side that that's it right there those mutherfuckers so it's not one fucking there's going to kiss going to go
make me nervous that look so it looks like something so if you up and got the blade to close ticket and then so that one is is what's called a size a wheel so it's it's made from a touch that type of rope but the with the ones that are the most dangerous are the softer cotton wheels has they wanna grappling that much easier if they have more give or but yeah it's and what's interesting is i've actually been cut less working in a in a metal shop than i ever did working and and and and burn less than i ever did working in kitchens i worked in restaurants back house but for seven years collectively and most of that has to do with other people not calling like hot coming across and bucking i turn around they don't call it i turn around there's there with this fucking saute pan right
i'm ready to fucking drop it right but it's being in the metal shop like you said you do have to pay so much attention and you have to be focused at what you're doing because literally everything in that fucking shop wants to hurt you or kill you the second you're not paying attention to the second you're not paying attention it's going to grab you click here for stories of people working next machines they have long hair well and it just ribs it scalps mike just street hello your hair will stop you're a fighter and the power tool
this week yeah i got a power tool stuck in his balls who sent new poor yeah i got a brian wilson yeah i got a thrill that he lost his hearing due to not put putting in your plugs at a car race not music specifically he's there was a quote brian wilson from the beach boys brian wilson from the beach boys are i'm sorry he this article has him at the top brian johnson brian johnson from cars yeah well how the does he know mother in ac dc yeah i mean what do you think they'll be allowed to wear off and this young says that he lost a little bit but he's as quote says that he never really had a problem with that that's why i was run around stage so much to never in one one play along but since it's a fuckin' loudness of a room that's hilarious i wondered ever saw icd acdc i wonder if people are more susceptible just like some people are more susceptible to cte
yeah i remember rhonda patrick was talking about certain jeans that you have what is it apropos i forget what it's called but whatever things that make you more susceptible more likely to get cte from concussions problem probably have to be something that probably makes sense now when you're in that shop and you're you're you're you're doing all this grinding so it is there any concern about chemicals like this or chemical gestion or smells in the air i think that 'cause you're dipping things and you got all this stuff that using especially for working with synthetic i mean any material that you're grinding your making it it's airborne like any of it can go into here i'm almost always wearing a respirator oh wow especially when i'm grinding
and it's like double can always like covering up does it work does a respirator filter out all of it it makes a huge difference in fact we have my facial hair right now even this little bit what you got even that little bit is enough to create a little gap and they can get through that so you have to shave your face smooth yeah i usually keep it pretty well now now how the do you create those patterns like damascus steel what what is that this doesn't have too much of that has on the day the mask is still fortune yeah full yeah what what does create feels like that there you go how do you do that we're looking at a crazy image that looks like it looks like someone drew on it this is this is the pattern that just came up with recently it's called i called braid mosaic for lack of better term but it just looks like a braid and it's something i've been wanting to create
anne how do you create a figured out so essentially to create pattern welded damascus first off damascus is kind of a blanket has become blanket term traditionally in originally it actually referred to the steel that like the type of steel that your knife this knife the media and i've is made from and it eventually became a blanket term for all kinds of kind of pattern to steal general whether it's it occurs naturally or if it's kind of forced in created the way that braid pattern was made so that's pattern welded steel and so you have to start with at least two different types of high carbon steel ideally steel that heat treat in a similar range when you heat them up and squish on them they move at a similar rate
so most commonly people are working with one thousand and eighty and fifteen and twenty those are just codes for two different types of high carbon steel but essentially you bring them up too high temperature you squish him either under a big hammer or under a press you can actually do it by hand but you have to do kind of a smaller bill it to create the patterns and get it to stick 'cause the trick is really getting getting them close evenly squishing it out and it's like if you've ever rolled out doe or anybody who's ever made like pastry dough like you would use in a croissant you tear open a croissant you see all those layers in there and that's from a piece of dough being
now full of rolled out in so it's kind of the same thing but with metal but you have to have the kind of the right kind of his temperature environment kind of you you want as little oxygen in there as possible because the oct oxygen creates carbon are not covered by iron oxide that help kind of is detrimental to creating solid well bonds in their different ways to achieve that but once the ten eighties the black steel the black color and the fifteen and twenty is the is the silver color and what's the difference in the way those steals perform as one of them harder or more durable or they pretty much in edmore they pretty much form almost or perform almost exactly the same they are in fact chemically speaking there almost exactly the same except for the fifteen and twenty has a high level of nickel in eight point two percent by volume
by weight and so that steel is traditionally use in sabha aids especially large big mill band saws you know like in oregon there's like one of the oldest and continuously running would sawmill is still there and doing its thing with these giant bandsaw blades that are like thirty feet in diameter in circumference and they're like foot wide and there's monsters and foot wide you mean like sick no no like for only like maybe a 16th of an inch thick because you want to narrow soccer so you're not wasting material but they're wide to help ok flexion so it's a band saw i'm thinking of a circular saw for some reason sorry band so but so circular saw those suck so usually probably around and either in quarter of an inch thick but it's the same kinda idea is that there i'm in down these giant log
we big saw those things circular and and break man there must be fucking nightmare i was going to be so to be standing right there when i have you seen an original samurai sword i've seen a few actually just once from the 1500s check this shit out i wish it is the one that mister and neil degrasse tyson was posing with the other day yeah that's a real one that's an actual real samurai sword right from the 1500s see the race skins nice do you know when it was made exactly i don't think they know
i just know it's from some time period in the 1500s but there's a sit certificate of authentication that came with it explains i'm just looking to see what the hormone activity looks like so the hormone is you can kind of see this line that runs parallel to the cutting edge and that usually indicates where the soft material stops and the hard materials starts and so the idea with these kind of the challenge with any knife is making a knife that takes and holds a sharp edge for a good period of time what's the key to that but is also tough which means like you can drop it and it's not going to break so like if you wanted a hunting knife or something so a hunting knife with commotion iphone boy names those are harder working
so you want actually bring that hardness down you don't have to bring it down a ton but just a few points will make a huge different like house night here yeah exactly what's the difference in the way that knife is made and this knife is so they were tempered there he treated the same so they were brought up to like one thousand five hundred degrees for people who don't not listen or listening not watching this one of these knives is a hunting knife that how's that feel by the way it's great man after my love it yeah but it's it's made very similar if you look into the the video of it the handles the same it looks it looks very similar it has a different knife card those pretty cool all of which are without yeah the garden keep yet keep your hand from its lineup yeah and i looked we made the handle to it's an interesting handle curves and everything yeah where where'd you get that pattern for like
the single yes so the th i'm sorry answer the first question i'm sorry i remember your first for like what is the difference in the way they treated okay yeah yeah so they were hard and so he treating the whole process is essentially heat up the steel make it hard and then you put it back into heat but a low at much lower temperature to kind of tough and it up and so you're pulling some of the harness back so they were hardened the same way but they were tempered at different temperatures because one is a hard use knife while the chef's knife is not hard what is the difference between tempuran what does that mean so the tempering so essentially so hard and it so i bring it up to one thousand five hundred degrees which is like a dull glowing orange color and then i
dip it in special oil that i have that's designed for quenching materials not just in knife making but all kinds of different industrial applications clenching materials oil sorry quenching oil what does that mean so that's cooling the hot steel down in a very short period of time and he's watching the oil so is it cold oil not so actually the depending on how the steel need to be heat treated you actually want to heat up the oil so that it's it's thinner it also there's this thing that's called a vapor jacket so if you've ever like bin next to a burning stove and use drop a little water on it and you see that the water dance around on their the same thing happens on the surface of the blade set for the blade is a source of heat right he put it in that oil all that oil is dancing around on it so when the oil is thinner uh it's not as large of a jacket because when that jacket is
so jack in in casing that steel while it's trying to cool down it actually kind of acts as an insulator and ruin our could could potentially run so you not only do you put it in the oil but you want agitated to kind of break up that jacket on so doesn't get a chance to just sit there and all the way around the blade and it was cold it would be it would it be thicker and so it would make a larger jacket actually and also that it probably wouldn't be as efficient i guess in cooling the steel down because ideally like for most the seals you wanna cooling down pretty much as quickly as you possibly can so this life so i'm sorry so we keep going i was just going to say you essentially have depending on what still you're working with you have anywhere from half a second
to like five seconds to get it from one thousand five hundred degrees or sometimes higher to below eight hundred degrees and so this knife would be more durable so it is then this knife herbal yeah tougher so in knife making commonly referred to as being tougher so we can withstand coming into impact with bone you could chop with that thing a lot more only with a tougher knife because this has tempered at it as a as hive with a temperature it's it's much harder than this one even though it's a few points those few points make a big difference and so if you were to take this out into the woods try to do the same job this one is not cutting it wouldn't necessarily snap but parts of the cutting edge would look up blow out probably blow and ships i actually recently just from time to time is good practices
maker to make sure that you're still doing your thing every your heat treating stuff all right i take a knife and i just beat the shit out of it for such through some wood and then i actually took it to an antler and beat the shit out of at two and it's it is amazing that if you're doing things right you know ten thousandths of an inch is enough to really to withstand impact of chopping through would pretty well of course unless your coming in contact with like a nail super yeah a nail or super dense knots that's crazy because it's so for him right one of the more internet is actually on the bigger side this is on the thicker side at least especially along with cutting edge that's probably twice as thick as it actually needs to be which is crazy but it just comes down to the material not everybody are a lot of people mistakenly think you know steel steel is steel steel whatever but they're not steel is made for many different
locations and they're actually very specifically designed for those applications so like actual steal this kind of stuff that you know buildings are built out i'm very different from this it doesn't have very much carbon in at all that way is so then the carbon is what helps make the really hard so lacking that carbon it is to way tougher so you can bend it all fucking day long so i gotta snap exactly right that's why you wanted for buildings in la or the earthquakes hit they wiggle a little bit yeah yeah this is much thin then a lot of other hunting knives would be which is interesting now with the with your use of this exotic metal and now you're so your methods you're able to do that
one also part of the reason that you're able to do that is because it's high carbon steel has a which means it has a high volume of carbon comparatively than other kind is kinds of tool or cutlery steel it was a benefit of high carbon verses less carbon so hi carmen allows you to to especially for the the media right it's a it's a kind of crucible steel called whoops and so the patterning you seen there is actually strands of carbon carbide material so it at all the extra carbon floating around in the matrix the iron matrix of this steel jumps onto these bands called carbides and they're different elements and vanadium is one of the elements in this deal that roz those carbon that carbon in so what you're seeing are thousands and thousands of all these ultra hard car
even bands floating around through iron matrix do you watch game of thrones i'd do when they have like swords that are made out of valyrian steel cheapest off they would get the fuck outta here what you fake magic snail well what's interesting back in the day the ship was magical right they didn't understand what was going on now how did they learn mean what the history i mean i was it was scientifically that sword there is from the fifteen hundreds but you know from the back in the roman gladiator days and i mean how did they understand how to do this so this that they were using in europe was not really that great it was the best yet japanese japanese we just were pretty fucking good as well as the persians and the indonesians vikings material wasn't the greatest wasn't too barbaric no time it comes down to what they had available to them right yeah so who was like the pioneer of like really durable bad
sword material was a japanese so probably so the japanese and the persian slash indonesian persians swords are probably the most legendary real they're the ones where like you could cut through silk floating in the air and like that why is that would they do different so it it's it's the so that person still is still very very very similar to these me right so the crew so it starts it's called the crucible steel so essentially there's this clade jar essentially called crucible people know all kinds of stuff in it but you can mail melt steel in it as well and so they were making these ingots of crucible steel and then forging them out and they really really very heavily relied on these carbide bends floating through the material because unfortunately they didn't really have a very advanced way of
wishing that steel so that not only do they have the bands but they also had hard iron matrix as well that those bands were floating in so they really relied on those that banding so they just learn from trial and error of thousands of years of experimenting with different materials and different locations they got the iron from and different things that they added to to make steel yeah absolutely and that's why you know you even watching game of thrones or other kind of medieval our movie set in medieval times you know they were were very specific makers who were the best who could really make this should happen and is it because the had a tradition passed down to them and you know all that a lot of that stuff is very fictional but it in in the real world that that was the same thing you know you had very specific lineages of people who had the you know the
essentially the most advanced technology and skills and techniques for creating the most highest performing weaponry essentially of the time which was like the currency of the somebody went to japan fairly recently and and filmed them working with a high double sword maker for a television show trying to remember who it was it was someone famous it was really bad as they went to the sword maker shop and you know i mean he's doing the whole dying light hammering it all out and build samurai sword from scratch the way it's always been yeah there are a few of those documentaries so it is showing on you too they he is you have to do is not usually you got to do a little bit of digging to find them i i i actually just watch the back few them like in the last five years i do not recall with their do you think you're going to make a samurai sword one of these days i might do it eventually just
i mean i'm always going to do chefs knives because that's what i know like that's the i know the most that's what i the biggest like market right there there's a john i mean for super foodies hamlet you know well it's not only that like but if you think about it like mostly made this government here a lot you know if there's a lot of mystique our japanese swords or even the american bui knife as well as viking swords nowadays nowadays people have that made but you know it goes on a wall things that are really getting used or like a hunting knife and a chefs knife and you know cooking knives are used almost literally in every single household around the world every day bryant year round yeah and it's what's interesting is because of its ubiquity to our everyday life it lacks that mistake because we see the shed every day we don't think much of it versus japanese sword people walk in here and then like
i tell you one thing man when people come over my house and i'm cooking and they go where the fund did you get that night that happens all the time it's either this one or the other one when i show them the bogyoke one same thing they like dude i'm like yeah man check it out now in terms like this one or the other one that you made me the other hunting knife email me out of damascus damascus which one is like tougher more durable so they've been heat treated to perform very we're very similarly so basically you did essentia lee have to destroy them to really determine which one outperforms so you have to stick it in a bowl and try to blanket yeah essentially use it how it's not supposed to be functioning but it keeps an edge so well man it's crazy i mean i get nervous every time i touch the blade i mean this thing slices through things now there's got to be an art to actually sharpening things to write oh for sure
and how do you know like the right angle to approach sharpening its i mean there are actually a lot of great information online there especially in cities like seattle la new york austin there portland as well there is super reputable people not only who will offer service but usually offer lessons as well i suggest like if you can't afford it you know you can dig around you can find this stuff online but it's not the same as having essentially having a coach next to you saying or yeah that's great that's perfect that's where you want to be doing that you do you sharpen both sides i do so you sharpen the top and the bottom i'm sorry you mean the sides of the steel like would you sharpen it like this and then flip it over here and stop and start that yeah no one of those things and have those metal
things or changing changing yeah so those ones seem like i'm italics brutal i wouldn't do that to a good knife it so my right thinking that way be it well it depends on the the type of steel that unites may from and then what the material is that those rods are made from so those are commonly referred to as sharpening rods or sharpening sticks but the reality is they're not actually sharpening what are they doing so they're more accurately referred to as honing rods so what's at the cutting edge of your knife you all these micro serrations essentially if you go take it under a microscope look at the cutting edge it looks like a saw blade but they're like they're fucking microns on micron is a millionth of a meter like their teeny tiny so but what happens over normal use those teeth they bend over
are they flex over or sometimes they eventually wear out and fall off and so what the honing rod does especially if they've bent over showing it right there whoo citing look at that played it's you want to ignore like those long streaks and you just like the tiny little thin black yeah that's the shit right damn damn that's crazy observ you look at it like someone's doing it to your instruction vso youtube video crazy yeah crazy i could do 300x magnification yeah view from the top yeah so that's what's happened along your cutting edge and what happens with those tiny serrations where it bend over like i was saying or break off and so
but as they bend over and it's just normal that honing run by swiping across the honing ron you don't just do it willingly like you got to do it at the right angle on all the stuff but what it does is it real lines and hones those teeth back into alignment so people mistakenly called him sharpening sticks because all of a sudden there knife is sharp asfuck afterwards but the reality is that it's honed those teeth back into alignment so it can do its job again now what's the purpose of the leather strop so that's just a gentler way especially for things that are super super razor sharp which essential i've been sharpened to really high finish like ten thousand grit or higher so those micro serrations are even smaller which means they're even more delicate which means they don't need as much force to realign them so honing rod or or sorry a strop is that's a human hair yeah so
jesus christ looks disgusting magic choking on that here so just to give you some reference a typical an average human hair is about three thousands of an inch well uh yeah and to help put that in a little bit more better perspective a 16th of an inch like a normal measurement 116th of an inch is sixty two point five thousands of an inch so that's like one i can't do the math right 120th of a 16th of an inch which is what containment tiny
it's crazy it's like split the hair yeah like shaved it yeah literally yeah there's a a big debate in the world of bow hunting with broad heads with what kind of steel to use and there's there's harder steal that some people use but it breaks and this is an issue with that and there's there's like this big debate harder versus steeled that has led it's hard but will bend more and give slightly more you know and then there's a had that i use which is a carbon steel broadhead from a company called g5 they make this a broadhead called a montek let's pull up g five carbon steel montek so you cs of the column it's just the head like that just like a triangle
or is it even try for hunting the one that i use yeah it is it's uh it it has a three points or four points here who pulled up he said yeah that's it oh yeah sure so is three points but that's a carbon steel broadhead that's what i shot my elk with cedar within that things virtually indestructible yeah there's a i have a crazy photograph i'll show you this crazy video i put it up on my instagram instagram where i was going around with something on my bow at full draw trying to set something in the bo went off and hit a cement wall and it's into the wall what is the or solid solid cement wall and didn't kill the broadhead i still have the head back there it's stuck into the broadhead look at it did it's look into the shaft yeah
but it did to the arrow now will look at that look at that brought in that fucking things got my bet for life yeah that things got my confidence forever 'cause if that does that to concrete what will that do to bone right now that will go through anything that's gonna kicks mass so that one of the things i would say after seeing that specially that first image is the geometry of the blades that the actual points they lend themselves similarly to how you're hunting knife sharpened differently from your chef's knife from like the chef's knife materials thinner but they're also sharpened at different angles because they have different jobs are supposed to do and so the broader essentially sorry the more cute that is the more easily that will break as well as the thinner the thing in the material that that that geometry is living on is more susceptible breaking that first image that jimmy pulled up the geometry look like it was pretty robust pull that up again
yeah and as well as like it looks like it's probably at least thirty thousands of an inch thick which is you know that's rough if not more and all the the original image and we see the actual broad head in the without the yeah my friend brian stevens term out of these he he yeah shot a bear through the head with one of the jesus was from ten feet away it was coming at him and he's got an image of the skull that he sat me where you see the outline of that broadhead through the bear skull is crazy yeah and it he killed the bear and didn't even fuc up the air on my family is crazy yeah and so a lot of like you see people doing these incredible feats like hammering through nails and she like that with their knives and like what the
buck thing that most people are used to our chefs knife and they think they did that with their chefs lifelock it up in one hundred percent pretty much wood but with the right thickness coming up to the cutting edge as well as the actual lead cutting edge geometry like the actual angle that it's sharp that you could do that shit all day long now when you sharpen a blade do you use something to hold it next to the stone so that it reaches the perfect angle or do you do it by i'd do that hi i actually if you hand it over to me one of the things especially when i first started learning i would use my finger as a guide mon so that would inform me are as to the angle so when the edge of my finger with touch the top of the stone and me that was about the right angle and then when i flipped it over to do the other side i do the same thing with my thumb an essential in you know from experience i just know from experience right they do make a sharpening guys that you can call
on to the back of their lives as well as little ramps those are all great special if you're starting the hardest part about all of this is the muscle memory portion it's figuring out how to lock in an maintain that angle without wavering and browsing your wrists and all that kind of thing and it just it's like riding a bike or any other anything you've ever had to learn in your life with practice and repetition you'll get better what do you think about that those machines so slick little they're like little the worst thing ever really i i have over like a almost kind of in a conspiracy theory that like the reality is like they're designed to destroy your knife so you have to turn around and reinvest again because most people one because the knives aren't usually sold for much money that are being used with those things and when they're not selling them for many very much you're relying on volume
and what better way than to create a thing that does the job for a little bit but ultimately destroys it and you have to reinvest what about the ones where you stick it in the slot and the same thing same thanks for just nine it's a little slower process but you you'll notice the problem with those the real problem with those is that you can't sharp in the hole as usually so start at the heel or just a little bit from the hill and then you do major work that's true myself i was like this is actually still pretty sharp sharp as far so the problem is because you're not getting the full length you'll continue to dish this material out just in front of heel and then when you go to cut there's this little bit of ship there that's not doing any work anything
when you relying on that cutting board when the knife comes down to the cutting board to do some work is not happening i cut my lunch with that today nice phuc cut out with that access the access axis deer and elk oh my god that was killing me with that the pride and say about it just like confucianism so funny yeah man you don't well i learned how to cook i mean i i feel like there's some real art to that as well from my my friend chad ward whiskey band barbecue on instagram he's leka a pit master let go legit sure and worlds champion barbecue master and he's won it taught me how to cook slowly at low temperatures and then see your id after you're done i am a i always thought you supposed to just put on high heat cook out of it and then eat it you know yeah i mean it takes fine that way too but you know when you're dealing with
i really had to learn especially in particular cooking with some wild game is very unforgiving because it low in fat yeah it's getting done it's so you're basically eating a sprinter it is right there yeah yeah so that's the end i reverse sear it in a pan with grass fed but here that pain beautiful listen to that sound our whole whole whole whole whole whole that's the last my back strap i gotta to i got more meat i eat meat i eat to fight so much meat crazy super super healthy though bitch fuck what you heard it looks like it works no it well you know what to there's something really magical about wild game and i don't know what the fuck it is i really
and i don't think anybody does 'cause i don't think there's enough people out there that are eating it but it has it has a different effect on your body it feels different when i even just beef like if you have a grass fed beef everything total like pasture raised like oh my god the difference you know about butcher box i aware yeah do that companies to shed they'll send it to your house frozen grass fed pasture raised like in the pasture you're finished and it's pretty cheap to it's a good deal the fuse boxes of this podcast and i use them all the time i think it's amazing it's brilliant now and in the few times that and it's actually a film there saying that i've only eaten really good beef happy beef essentially on the flat the yeah it's hard yeah will invest in some place oh my god when you take a bite like that even just that mercede by it's just like it
we've entered a whole different world and it's like just the flavors everything i have my friend my friend mike hawk ridge he lives up in british columbia like the real british columbia look way the fa cup there and he's a hunting guide and um uh got him some tickets for the fights in vegas and his wife came down and then afterwards we went out to eat and they're eating steak we added a restaurant there laughing lips like their ucd moose you know like this need is like it's like this a little sick animal and i think it's all moshi you know it's like if you eat a piece of why wild moose mean it's like whoa you eat it you like holyshit it's like filled with flavor and it's just it feels like like it gives you energy it's crazy i've totally by that yeah yeah it's like the what is that people are trying to like inject young people
blood into the the yeah i'm trying to make themselves feel younger like eating putting good well source like it i don't know if those two things are not frightened i don't know this is a friend of this thing no i guess but i do think that there's i mean there's got to be some thing to consuming an incredibly healthy vibrant animal versus something that's like raising the cage right i is just make sense but i don't think this is something that you can
i mean they have absolutely measured protein content in the protein contents off the charts if you look at the difference in the protein content of chick in or regular beef versus moose or elk it's much higher much denser and protein like like i think something like six ounces of axis deer's forty eight grams of protein right which is incredible you know well it's interesting to think about that to get to get that same amount of protein like you don't the gore john if you just yes you see that little bit yeah good little six ounce piece in your good even less of you want to stay in ketosis if you're like in a keto diet you really need less than six ounces in like three ounces right you know food is just to me as especially as i've gotten older i've started doing a lot more cooking and it becomes a diff
thing i'm i'm a it's not just i'm hungry any stuff my face right like the preparing the food much like we were talking about with craftsmanship like there's an art to me making food in i mean i'm by no means a shelf but i can cook a few things are really good you know and i take great satisfaction that i absolutely love it you know i'll take my wife is the heat this but we we get home and more like more hungry will make food two hours later she's like she's like a lot of people are are my brother my brother's the same way like i'm fucking hungry now i need to eat now trying to rip your head off what would you need to set up some cheese and some like salami or so that's what i started doing go put now some snack while i'm working everybody just relax where like i could
starvin i get done with a long este gran and i'll go home and i want to i like i have this thing locked in my mind that i want to eat i'll take two hours to make the thing even though i'm stricken and i have this is like one o'clock in the afternoon nine o'clock tonight do you find that as the person who is a craftsmen and artists and that you try to have that approach with like other things in your life to like what you talk just talking about like making food in yeah sure is i mean i feel like i don't really think too much about the fact that i'm doing it this way it's just kind of the way i do things and i'm a little bit more methodical and i guess not necessarily more thoughtful than anybody else just like when i go to a when i approach these challenges are these things they had to do i take my time to do them right and try to do them right the first time i used to actually when i was working for bob we would have to mock up stuff or build machines or fixtures
here's a shot like that and he was very his mind that was quick and dirty we gotta do this get this done as quick as possible and if it doesn't work the first time will make some modifications and will try the second time it still doesn't work second i'm so and so forth and so on and so forth until we got it right where i would just think it through a little bit more first time was all i needed but i heard there was a long time i used to do a lot of woodworking for you in the middle working and i was always had to measure five times and cut twice right yeah and so i started getting to this point where like i really had to think through because it's just to me it felt like a huge waste of time and g t n materials really to go through all that process and then so they had to be a long learning curve the right to look really learn how to specially i would imagine the forging aspect of it probably credibly difficult yeah well
and when i was working for bob the only forging we did was forging the damascus to make the patterns and then we would like cut blades out and go from there i learned forging about five years ago essentially working with gentleman named david lish who's also he's a master blade smith we're to seattle he's down went the area now but he he you know he did he's a blacksmith by trade that got into knife making any skill he's super talented specially when it comes the boeing knives at hunters like he doesn't really great work and especially is damascus patterns are really great but to watch somebody move in material like i said before like stock remove is a very valid way of doing it 'cause the cost of the actual materials is very slow
compared to stop him movil stock removal so early i was talking about taking a bar and then cutting out the blade shea okay grants doc removal yeah because you're literally removing stock for our i see from that from the start when you turn that would you take what's left and melt it down you could melt it down you could turn it in forge it into other stuff um it's uh the interesting practice it's actually it's kind of like you know people refer to yoga practice you never going to be perfect like there's never going to be perfection blade forging but there's always an opportunity to learn something and the practice it and so when you see like you have a decent little chunk you start smashing on that thing and see what you can get out of it to economize that material and again like i said you don't really need to do that
as of how inexpensive material is but if you think back like even one hundred years like this high quality material is walking expensive you had to get the most out of it as you possibly could and so that's why forging with such a big deal and then as that price went down people change the way they manufactured just because then the time was the thing that cost the most not the materials and so they turn around and made it easier to manufacture they don't give a shit about the ways now how did you learn handle geometry like the handle in this hunting knife still going to do yeah yeah so your eyes is very unique it is we can actually fits my hand perfectly it fits in your hand you know and that's that's the goal a friend not cheer a friend refers to it as the knife shaking your hand yeah like it it's so well it feels like you're holding like this little she's got here for people that just listening
there there's an initial smoothness in the front and then there's like this little box and little sticker at the bottom and it just locks in your hand band it's i was inspired to do that by a and claude bouchard v he's a belgian maker i first met him mod lord claude blue chevy he's a belgian maker he the first time i met him was at blade show which is a huge knife exposition is is one of the world that happens down and atlanta every year the first weekend of june he was my table neighbor and i had never told him the story but the first time i his name is like the blades in everything look great without the handle looks fucking weird as shit this handle yeah very similar to that handle his has more of like a nice gentle curve around to the end instead of kind of how that was kind of at a clip or angular
um so finally like on the third day of the show this really great maker that i look up to came over and he was just like doting over clouds work and i was like alright there must be something that i haven't i feel like such an asshole like i didn't even touch the stuff i was just looking at it and judging and i picked it up and i was like what it was it was a totally like what fuq right 'cause that same feeling that you have when you're holding back it feels perfect as like it totally shifted my entire mindset paradigm around what i thought handle shapes should look and feel like and that is definitely inspired continued especially for like hard use knives like especially like for a bigger blade like a bush knife that you're trying to chop through stuff with a handle like that is going to benefit you immensely cuz it just it feels like a natural
tension of your hand and is this your your logo yes into the bottom my insignia so it's my name's mark i'm out my seats to ms kind of swirling around each other it looks kind of like a flame i'm such a dork for the ship i love it so interesting man and that that the handle to the something about the the handle being made out of antler like the antler the feel that it has no hand to the head mechanic materials yeah organic especially antler an and bone they have this kind of like i don't know if you've experienced it with these a specially cut up the like the greasy meat but it from a house from right to it it does it stays grippy i has it become super slippery or anything to handle my bro is actually made out of antler yeah i had it custom made my friend john dudley had these ones made from a a bowl that he killed on september eleventh two thousand
like she's the nine slash eleven bowl and he had these handles made out of the antlers of this and it does the way it sits in your and it's like it's got an even if you're sweaty or you know that there's something you know it's raining out just has an extra grip what an especially something like that like if your skin i'm breaking down animal like it's important but it's not going to like it's not like one of those moments where you relying on that grip for your life ryan when you do need that for your life like right you're trying to do like you're digging the ground you're going down the hill side you're trying to do you have it and get a get a hold bike that's going to be really important but obviously that's a very rare
yes today and when that happened well sister something's cool about it too you know it's just like the tax to live yeah it's just again it goes back to the the essentially the user experience when what does it feel like how is it different it makes it really does make a difference yeah and the the one of the cool things to me also about antlers is that they showed them you know they may use these things every year and that every year they grow a new one to know that it's the fastest growing organic material on earth no i didn't know that that shit right there that giant elk antler that grows in a couple months i didn't know that yeah falls off right lose it after they're done running so i like they fell off and they just kind of not started like kind of slowly dying they grow the whole thing back in a couple months it's radical see if you found of it
so that shows uhm elk antler growth time lapse 'cause it's crazy how fast it grows and it's all just for war i mean that's all that is it's to show off for the ladies hey and it's also for war it's interesting dear yeah can i look at my rack yeah he had that rack just so he could fuck people up or people but also elk yeah definitely people if you get close to him fuck me up i look at the following photos were taken about a week apart over a period okay this april first i'll check this out watch just just have a play out it says over four months they show the incredible grosso april first watch this is like at a farm that looks like it is looks like it's an out form just let it play out april beef boom so seven days later look at that april 15th bang cock group big that xyz
oh april 22nd it's getting crazy oh mabel 29th that's nuts may sixth leash it i nuts may 13th pow what mother may 20th yeah may twenty yeah june fourth right ready go to war june tenth thinking about look at now now i'm thinking about supposed june 17th i will fuck dude up comes near me june 24th look at that and then july first that is crazy wi fi crazy and that's not even done july eighth july 15th now he's basically still in velvet right and july twenty second that looks hard horn to me that looks like you should as velvet and then july twenty ninth is none nuts because our so by the time august rolls around there like right now beginning of september in hard horned
and they'll go to war and they'll keep that shit for you know till the end of this probably december i think maybe january and then they lose it and so is the fastest growing organic material yes by volume wait yes yeah i think by all those things because it grows so fast it's so heavy i mean that's like forty pounds just of antlers and it grows over a couple months yeah it's fucking nuts man seeing pictures made that up about the fastest growing organic material but i think its true looking it says the first fun fact i found that they can grow ten pounds of velvet per year that's just the belt just the velvet yeah hum yeah but that's probably 'cause it's a velvet far they use that stuff for human growth hormone like a lot of baseball players were taken uh yeah a friend of mine my friend john rivet shout out to johnny rivet he lives
alberta in his one of his friends had an elk farm up there in alberta and he grew elk not for the meat but for the for the velvet because that stuff that grows grows so fast and so so ridiculously potent that they would take antler velvet and they were turned into a spray that would equal the effects of human growth hormone how could you do that cross me like that i don't know but athletes were taking it out please we're taking this stuff and it was having this for like growth hormone reaction in their body aches and like jack's son get is an old is a better life to officially here they like i really don't know you know i'm too stupid to be answering your questions but there's something about deer velvet that was for quite in you know i don't even know if it worked but it was a big thing
in the supplement and fitness industry that people are getting deer velvet thinking the new by bought it that you spray it and it supposed to give you a growth hormone i do think that only bear did you have you had only been before yeah i have great it's great olympia now this from olympia washington is a ruse originally yeah i think it's brewed in milwaukee now what the fuck everything's being sourced over i mean what you're from the pacific nw but now you live in connecticut that's data sheet on the most the whole video out there me on connecticut like people have made a compilation of me okay i'm sure i'm sure plenty of it's warranted yeah the all of it get outta my good friend tommy junior lives in connecticut yeah i finally found it so uh i think it's just antlers in general are the fastest growing tissue in
in an mmo yeah and then elk antler is the fastest growing out of all of 'em because it's the largest so it grows in the same amount of time the deer would grow its antlers but it's far larger you know like if that we've been more mass than than a moose uh no no dear i moved to be there some mousse yeah here are the biggest they're the biggest of all of the deer species like by far you know i think a full grown yukon moose could be as much as two thousand pounds a really big rocky mountain under normal circumstances is like a fucking giant one is pushing a thousand she giant though that would be like a four hundred inch bowl like that for french the the inches is the measurement of the size of the inches of antler like that you see
one that's in the front yeah yeah that's considerably bigger than this one that was the one on the front is three hundred eighty two inches outside giant bowl she said that was about a thousand pounds he was you know huge moose maier loses twice as big hence would see that thing goes the fucka bench anymore i gotta go and just start running but mostly the weird thing about a moose is their antlers like a door you know it's basically like right is there so fat it's not like pokey i mean they're basically like they're hitting each other in the head with doors right there like big old gloves yeah and it but you see have you seen i've seen a few pictures where the especially moves their antlers get locked up in stuck more dear than moved down design of a moose's antlers is like it's not as in but with dear it happens all the time because there's a little bit of flex to the bone sure and so the clash and in the force of
two of them slamming each other they get stuck cd will they drown og save fought like and then wrestled and wound up in the water and wind up drowning there's a horrible video i saw of two deer that got stuck in one of 'em got killed by a coyote not just a kind of a whole pack of am torn to shreds they tore him and they eat a mass hole first as i've documented many times in this podcast just like a lot of animals go for the but first well yeah lions do a lot of them do i don't know what that's all about but the one deer was still attached to his dead friend and these hunters to help it get released they saw one of the antlers off the other deer is dead deer and freed it and this other one ran off like what a nightmare that guys lived through right now his buddy it's his asshole torn apart
they literally eating him alive while he stuck to the guy oh my god probably fight yeah damn him as well kick in and it could be about could have easily been you i mean literally could have easily been you there's two deer one of them gets eaten alive and the other one is just sitting there like living with the horror of his and these people come over and he can't get away from the fucking people and like these people going to eat mane and they don't even they let him go and they're hunters they a mop and let me lose crazy yeah get that there's one that elk got stuck at the gym with the dead elk that's a dead elk that's an l head that stuff on this other elks but see i don't know what that was that to me it makes me think that that could have very easily been like an elk found a dead elk and just started head button and ripped it's head off and got stuck for them they kill each other all the time right now
all the time oh geez look at those rack when you hear them fighting like one of the first times ever went elk hunting we are we're coming over this hill and it sounded like two dudes slam in baseball bats together just quack quack crack and when we over the top of the hill these two giant elk or just running at each other and smashing each other it was a magical day it was like one of the first the l counted and there's a thing that happens when you hit a peak rut and when the peak rut happens they just go crazy all around you they're all screaming and it might happen once in a season and you just if you might be there that couple hours when it all goes down what's insanity insanity there's all around you screaming and head biting each other i can't imagine walking over the top of the hill it's like on
did you feel so vulnerable you're good just want to hide behind a tree scene right now in there screaming at each other and they're so big men it's screen yeah there's there's two going on it right there and you hear him it is clash and slamming each other oh yeah yeah that it's the wrong spot black man and they don't even know he's alive right now and this and they kill each other all the time watching the hormones they got going on this like i don't give a fuck about anything else yeah my friend cam came across one last year and he crept up on it he thought it was bedded and he shot it with an arrow and it didn't move and he's like what fuckin' he got over to it was already dead and another l could stabbed it they stabbed through the heart and it laid down and died right habit
all the time they're always finding that other elk of murdered they don't result fark they're just going to get the imposing son trying to get done how much is that a monster two month to month maybe a little bit longer there's a second run sometimes in october when another female going to estrous and there were there zoom the it's magical times i can't imagine it's pretty cool man pretty cool you know the real wild the actual real wild well you are in naked man you got to worry about two things hitting a deer with your car and lyme disease the line is okay so that's something that we didn't as we're moving into our man i wish i told you 'cause you and i were going back and forth when you're about to move right yeah that was definitely one of the things that were like wait what they're everywhere granbury are ticks in
you're listening to this anywhere on the east coast especially the new yorkers got it bad there's a lyme disease map and you see like the instances of lyme disease in the east coast it's horrific man and i know fuckin' at least a dozen people that have it and it stays with you for life yeah and my friend jim miller he's got a fights in the ufc he's gonna take a giant fistful pills every day i mean he's got a real bad real bad and he's still fighting yes fighting in the ufc those dear to i've been worried about actually when we were special we're moving out because i was driving through pennsylvania i hit pennsylvania i'd like to we drove cross country at sunset and drove from there all the way to connecticut an arc and
all i could think is like i'm going to fucking hit a deer you see so many of 'em right you see so many dead ones on the side of the fucking road yeah blows my mind but the biggest issue has been actually other connecticut drivers is this being the biggest concern my wife and i both have been t boned in the last eight months people in connecticut just they're just given up man this hit the gas and coal rise well what's crazy is like i've driven i've driven in la have given in new york i've driven in like in order in seattle all kinds of crazy places but they all have like a culture about how they work and i could not figure out connecticut and a friend finally explained it to me
he said they're driving as if nobody else is on the road and i was like holy shit that makes perfect sense the choices they make our as if nobody else is there i'll be coming up in the passing lane somebody going to the right of me there's no exits coming up there's no other cars for like half a mile i'm cruising probably like five hundred and ten miles faster than them they changed lanes right in front of me why you know why because like say if you come your let's say there's a thing that you're making like in appoxee right when you making epoxy there's several to several ingredients they have to add to it or maybe
the best example like say maybe there is electronics just whatever it is that you're you're making so you so if you're making a thing and it requires ten different ingredients if you are a person in connecticut you have eight ingredients you don't have those other two and you just do with it without you just deal with it you just missing two things just hit the gas and dry places license and no one knows what they're doing and that this is not a real state it's just not well also bonkers that we weren't expecting is that like unless you're driving fifteen to twenty miles over the speed limit you're going too slow or like a stop light and stop signs are suggestion people used right our lead on even live wires beating madly don't know where they're going where they go and they don't understand the still small you could drive to the stadium and a half hour missing all sorts of stuff the just to this so confused nine i'm not trying to see
should i canada to latest it's just it that those things have been a serious culture shock for us yeah it's despair despair hit the gas with crazy is is beautiful state gorgeous yes especially in the summer man horrifying trying around that time then get out of your car you get bit by one thousand ticks and you fucking can't walk anymore the humidity too i was not expecting that is great on your balls right balls well yesterday i was in my shop i wasn't doing shit like i could have just been sitting here like fiddling around with i was sweat drenched acid yeah east coast florida what the hell yeah well you're used to you know that pacific nw does really get that hot and the summers are glorious like seattle and oregon summers god their glorious everything is fuckin' neon green and the sun comes out it's amazing it's almost
almost makes up for the winter but not quite the lack of winter well just the rain just the rain is there is a winner it's just it's not it's not frozen is tempered but it's just just go and do you like i could i could hang in there in the summer comes like hey it's going to be fine but you like a like a beaten wife waiting for your husband to come home the key is not home now i've got a great house but he's coming home he's coming home is going to be home for eight months piss on your hair after eight months eight months clouds beers and just everybody put themselves it's dark up there man i don't think people are meant to live that i mean i think it's gorgeous and there's benefits to it for sure but
had a buddy of mine he tried to convince me to live up there it's hilarious my friend salami he moved to portland that's his name i tried to move to portland he did move to portland he's teaching jiu jitsu up there it's like two it's fucking great up here fucking amazing i go you don't mind about the winner you don't mind about the because now he goes to the people are so fucking cool to restaurants are amazing and the summers are so good three years later is back in la what happens i couldn't do it man couldn't do it anymore ah i see so it's a thing you hang in there for as long as you can but we can hang in there forever that what it is but some people can i can hang a lot of people have what is it shin syndrome or some i think it's because you grew up there and i don't think so because my sister and my mom both grew up there to my wife even they can't they they hate it especially the winter time the winter time when it is that dark grey
like it doesn't snow it just rains just gets dark i guess i think part of my she was like i said i always worked in restaurants or in ever and in a shop so it's like i'm in a virtual cave all the time right i'm not experiencing that except for the drive home or to work is a jamie just said sad as i was looking up seasonal affective disorder that's the acronym they give that yeah sad sad that's what this girl is adeline it's real i mean they probably called it that on purpose i mean i don't think they needed to call it seasonal affective disorder that's not the best feel like because of the rain disease well something isn't it something about like the lack of vitamins do you know why in this i'll tell you what though there's light therapy i take it connecticut all day take seattle over connecticut all day i dream about sometimes
is there even connecticut i lived in denver for only a few months people that live in connecticut right now go what the fuck dude actually running gag folks i don't really care not actually when we denver denver beautiful love denver love it love it first move there i thought it was so i agree group in washington right at the base of puget sound water around actually used to like sale on a racing team and stuff like that i was like wow i'm going to miss the water so much and it is so green too i got there and i was like i don't think i care about the water i care about the green but the second the spring rains hit everything turned green all the trees start blossoming like holyshit and it was beautiful the beautiful yeah the only thing i hated about denver everybody had a fucking dog and nobody cleaned the dog that was shit everywhere lazy
first because all the pot all the legal pot to everywhere but you know it as that's amazing man is the view of the mountains there's something about being right darren seeing those rockies that just like humbles you it puts it in perspective so that's what that's what being in sounds like as well yeah because you always got mount ranier right the us it's crazy like the road the cities were engineers so like you coming up and down hills and like moon the bright mountain right right and is a monster nine year is on a monster yeah it's amazing that we when i'm looking for big foot up there once man duncan yeah yeah we've on the beach to one tony blair that yeah that area two is so densely wooded it's really incredible when you go walking through the woods like theirs you don't make any sound when you walk you don't leave any footprints because it's just like feet thick pine needles in the models soft and it's interesting and lush and filled with elk manners elk everywhere up there and
like they run they run like thirty feet you can't see him anymore 'cause there's like so many trees god my in laws they live s of olympia and they have one thousand six hundred and sixteen acres out there where they live and like three or i think it's like four or five that are like cleared for like a field in a barn in the house and stuff rest of it's all wood then they got blackberries that cruise through their large cats are like bobcats and lynx in schitt an elk for sure and they have a orchard and al curtis out there standing on their hind legs are primary tonight shut up there beautiful the cooler watch too yeah that's i mean that is a lush tropical rainforest up there it's so wild it's so so interesting to when you when you're up there you you realize like how diverse it is with life when you're walking around in it and you see just elk schitt everywhere you go walking through the wood is that there is just yeah just with them piles all the pallets little marbles yeah yeah
don't want this how much life up there is salmon there's so much salmon there's eagles up there means it's gorgeous man yet here you aren't flocking connecticut brown mushroom hunting there's all kinds of stuff like you can really live off the land there's some great spots goshen trailing olympia area sure i'm getting out in the woods and just walking around it's actually been really cool take especially when you go back in the summer time and especially in the summer time to go visit family to take my little dude my sons two years old he just turned two and so walking with him he just fucking loves it walking through the and you don't have to worry about the fucking ticks brian get lyme shift like that go out there and roll around all you want but going up they have a nice little like quarter mile trail goes up through the woods let me just walk through that thing he just marches along the whole fucking way and
that experience of stopping and listening you can hear the red tail hawk crime at the top of everything else and then you they have great horned owls from time to time that cook kris the was there in here that little chip marks in the world he has a karosa in them hello jays and had everything and stopping and telling him that he had here that he just stops so it takes and it's it's wild to see a little kid who is so fucking rambunctious he's in the house but you get him out into the woods well the overwhelming sense you still listening source sensor everything so cool yeah amazing to looking at through the eyes of your child and just watching them experience and all these things it's it's like you can almost see like the little do you in the head yeah
no it is amazing that's one thing that i didn't anticipate before we had children it's like watching them learn like oh wow if there's a trick crazy trip you get out of watching kids learn you know this the something about like you'll learn watching them learn and it really sort of reinforces this idea that every human being is essentially i mean they're not a thanks late but they are most certainly subject to the influences of their environment what they experience actually they take that data in yeah it's crazy like we have he loves maps we maps maps yet we are you know how like a lot of kids get those like bedroom math that have like the roads and stuff we got one of the work like the globe and none of that countries are marked down on it or anything but we knew some of the spots and so we say it isn't much he knows where like over a hundred different countries are like he wants to he
where they're at he can point out the difference between cambodia guam vietnam nepal rush it and like russia china pretty easy but then you go over to europe he's like hungry turkey great he like he knows he knows where portugal is he knows he can show you this late though i did tell you where africa is a pretty sure i know the difference between australia new zealand telling reason i know them is 'cause i'm playing the game with him so we got more maps that have like the world again but everything's marked out and he's starting to learn all the different flags he knows he knows like at least a dozen in a different flags open you know children i mean they learn language so quick so open think about kids learn language by the time they go to school they already know how to talk yeah well they don't they don't learn what learn how to talk has degree
at the university level for teaching english as a second language so a long while and so she inch hurt she comes from a family of teachers her parents both of her parents her sister her great grandmother i'm sorry her grandmother call educators now this must be amazing for her to be a mom then yeah and so feature i mean she's with the dude all day like she fucking loves the shit out of him but you know like you spend infected day in and day out the little do like the little little bucking none goals running around and trying to learn how to interact with the moral yeah it's great but it's so cool and and with that background understanding how to interpret what's going on in his brain a little bit so to help nourish it essentially to help like you know just make things that much more solid like
crazy es all speaks so clearly that's awesome that sounds and i got to get out here but i know you have a blind auction yeah i have do you want your bill go grab those dives so we can talk about those real quick grammar quick mall will tell people about the auction but he's he's got these fucking killer knives that he's made these chefs knives one that's going up so i look how beautiful that is we're looking at his mousy fire arts instagram page in the design the pattern on this chef's knives it doesn't even look real folks i mean it looks like someone's it looks like someone put like one of those crazy cartoon filters doesn't it is that it that's the knife right there news at once so people could see it and yeah yeah here it is right here i'm holding it up
so this knife is up for auction no actually although it is not that one is not this one here and in case you can pull that out and how could people auction how can people bid a so this is for benefit for our this is the alex or sorry la loves alex's lemonade stand which is for childhood cancer research and so on line smells if you go to my instagram profile uhm irs on instagram i have link actually in my bio that goes straight to the auction page for this knife now these knives are right now my current prices this one knife is four thousand two hundred dollars but right now i think the bidding is that like now there is two thousand one hundred so is that somebody could get it for less than what i would normally divided when does it end once he has learned the auction ends on saturday the eighth so that's when the actual event is a mexican
be there at the event hanging out if anybody any questions about it talk about it or you know just kind of hang out that's double folks but it's interesting like doing this kind of work is the first time i've ever had anything that i felt like i could give back with 'cause otherwise like i was just did chity little jobs but this is the first time i feel like i have something like an offer so in coming up from very little very humble beginnings this is an opportunity now to feel like i can give back and so that's very true this from that's very cool for sure with this man i'm glad we finally got together and thank you for making me these awesome knives i will cherish them forever you're a funny moment and craft spent their to do this thanks for being here alright folks will be back soon you fuchs
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