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taylortalk dot com. He runs this secular talk, dot, com, talk on Youtube, secular talk on Twitter. He's a very smart young man and I always enjoy talking to him in a particular particularly enjoy talking to him today. Please give it up for Kyle Let's keep in mind that check it out experience trying my day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, hello Kyle hello, Joe Rogan, could see again buddy good to see you too. This is like deja vu. You know it was. I think it was eight to go, or so that was on the podcast wasn't, and it flew like that yeah. It does fly like that. Yeah, it's very little too quick thirty and forty four you know it was going, I was the first one where I ever really stopped, like thirty minutes before I turned thirty actually took a moment and I was like: ok you're, twenty nine

enjoy your last thirty minutes of being twenty nine. When I hit thirty was the first like little inkling of I guess this is kind of what a a mid life crisis feels like, because I'm I have a three in front now and I'm not really not calls for that, because I feel like I'm still nineteen year old, you know. Well it's a weird thing to be obsessed with your your It's an inevitable progression like to be obsessed with use yeah, I love being in my 20s. Well, Why would you love something? That's going to go away real, quick yeah! It's going to get old, there's nothing! You can do about it! Just stay healthy, yeah and people who I did. It's always easy to tell that when they go get surgery and stuff, if you You do like one plastic surgery. Sometimes somebody could get away with it, but if you do multiple but knows almost immediately, you ever watch that show botched. I didn't know

started getting into it, I accidentally watched it. I turn the tv on and it was just on like when I turn the tv on and I was like what, in the in this lady was getting her nose, repaired 'cause. It had collapsed because she had gotten so many. Surgeries on her nose that are sinus had caved in, so they had to take it cover, rib, proper nose and but then then the the tissue inside was dying. One of those guys once come on if they found out we're talking about it. So he wants to harm. How many times can are well plastic surgeon. Dr now it's doctors, not! lots of patient fuckedup. Also doctor going to try to do picture audience on getting new plastic surgery is going to know the opposite. I think he's probably against the repair guy. Oh so when shows about repairing people that fuckedup It looks so primitive to when you see how they do it like the way that they do. Notices about wisdom teeth. When I got my wisdom, teeth pulled out, they literally just go in there like you, would expect for like a car repair. There's like

alright time to rip it out, and you see them like leaning on in full in it and you're like oh. I thought this was more advanced than this, but it's really not step on your cheek and I actually went under. For my wisdom teeth because I've heard I know I'm such a bitch. But I I thought I so I guess I got the Michael Jackson's stuff, the probe of all. I think it was because it was a nice, it's weird because you just they tell you to like count back and down from one hundred and you're like one hundred and ninety nine and I'm in stop it Oh my god, that's so terrible! That's knee surgery, what is going on here, what stuck whatever the fuck they put in his name in and store? get it out. Oh my Jesus Christ, so

The moral of the story is, we actually don't know what we're doing as human beings and we're still obviously very primitive. Even the advanced stuff is super primitive. That's what that shows. Well, I don't know if maybe that guy just up- I don't- I only have ever seen- for what is in it for everything like even with no jobs, will do the same to you all we're gonna chisel down the nose, so they have to take like a friggin sander or something yeah. They just do it yeah. I money, my deviated septum fixed and then they have to pack it. The packet filled with stuff, and so your all's clogged up and they took big chunk of the bone out of the inside because when it call it beans or something like that, I had a bunch of scar, tissue and calcification he received when someone has cauliflower ear. Yes, yeah fighters. Usually you get that in your nose too, if your nose has been broken a bunch of times, because what that cauliflower ear is is blood under the surface of the skin calcifies and it becomes essentially a rock. If you touch someone

are here. It's literally like there's a rock in there. It's really kind of crazy when you get that inside your nose, too when your nose been been broken a bunch of times and it bleeds in the and inside the tissue, and then it turns into this like really hard thing that blocks all your sinuses. So if you put a hole in it, what happened? It's a rocket saracho cats, calcium rock. Have you ever seen those videos of like cysts when they drain the cysts? Do you ever see that Lady's Instagram page doctor pimple popper, because I don't want to throw up you need to go to doctor pimple popper he's going to do it and he's doing it? She's great she's aware is still she she like. She loves it. She thinks and fun. I bet you get a zillion used to. Oh, my god. She's got more instagram followers and me. I think why don't you got to play. Did you join, I watch doesn't have as many as me, but she is, she has alot. Did you ever have

back in at any point, in your life, I had some pretty decent acting when I was in high school. So let's get a good one. How about that one left! It yeah that one would you had your cursor on try that one that one looks like open it. So don't that's nothing! That's nothing keeps doing. This keeps going still going Well, that's not fair! That ain't shit! Ok, I will say this nightmare once I find some other ones jamming. The look of that is gusting, but I think it's universally agreed upon that. The feel of getting a big, pimple and popping it properly is feels amazing with us this unlock some service system. No one's head. All. Can you stop? It he's got a bulging system that looks like a fuckin' eyeball. Dude marvel I'm, never going to eat again again, you'll be fine. Oh just wanted any cysts

yeah, it's like the side of someones head weight and it didn't even actually like totally pop out either well. Those things are stuck. I mean it's part of your skins, part issue. I used to have pretty bad acne when I was younger and I had Accutane. They gave me Accutane and that stuff worked I mean they say that there's a small chance that like yes and maybe one percent or zero point zero, one percent of cases, some people got depression, and so they, there's a risk of suicide with this, but I never it never affected me in that way at all, and it really just like Sankt your which is glands and you're just good like it. It's almost like yeah. My friend Andrew Santino had it for the same reason, but he said he got the side effect You know we did yeah on one hand, it was amazing. Skin cleared up, on the other hand, he's never felt so bad in his life wow yeah, but you don't know what to do 'cause. You feel bad if you have acne feel bad. Take the medication, but medication, will knock out all the act. Well, I also take

I don't take Accutane anymore, but I actually take finasteride for hair and they say Trump takes that to there were some doctors. I don't know how credible this is, but there were some. For sure like that stuff is not that great in terms of mental health. No, that's pro peace Propecia yeah yeah, that's the same thing same thing inhibits Dihydro testosterone, which does cause depression in some people. I think yeah Hari ARI, said that his depression, is linked to when he started taking pro pixa yeah. I take it. I don't I've never been affected me that way. It decreases your testosterone. Now it kills your bonerz mine are all right there. Alright, how old would they be? If you didn't take it, I guess double or triple you tell me, I don't know, but the thing is I wouldn't look good. I feel like you really pull off a bald head very nicely. Thank you reside, look like a leukemia patient. Do you think so I do have a decent sized head. Dude I mean let's come on. I wouldn't look at all.

Look at first of all. I would have to go to the gym way more than I do now and I have to get tattoos everywhere. You have to look but yeah if you I look like a bad axe with a bald head. Of course you do there's this guy there's this wrestler for WWE. I forget his name, but he had really long like greasy hair like the typical wrestler her and then he recently decided to shave his head and he pulled it off nicely. Looks way better with a bald head. He but he's from those guys where you look gross with the really long hair that was greasy, but when you got when you went bald, ok now you look normal it's a greasy. Hair is a new thing. It's like the John Wick hair. Grease in there yeah. When remember when Keanu Reeves John Wick, he was always greasy. I don't remember that now it's it's a good movie to listen to or watch rather when you're on the treadmill dishes going to cardio challenge, Treasa Good one tag greasy, but it seems people make fun of me because jail. They say so like 1990s and I'm still wearing it creature of habit. It's just you!

yeah it's available at people who make funny for everything. That's true yeah give him a chance dude. I did powder on my face the other day 'cause I was under these lights and I did feel silly as I put it on, it's a little weird like. Why can't I just be shining yeah yeah, let's go people, terrified of sweat, yeah. The problem to me was pasty an shiny, so super white and shiny and it just looked gross. It looks like I'm unhealthy, so if you like a bronze a bronze shiny eye, better, but still kind of gross So you are saying that you got into it. Well, you ask Chris Christie something: oh yeah at Politicon, politican what is politikon so saying it's like comic con for political dorks. Exactly that's exactly, yeah and it's weird, because what they do Joe's, they invite like, like establishment, figures and some politicians, Then they also invite new media figures like me, and our worlds do not mix yeah yeah,

in fact many of them, I don't even think many of them knew who I was. Meanwhile, when you actually go to the people who were there. You know it was all the new media people who are getting the most attention right where you have guys like. Crystal walking around who is in the Bush administration and people are like. Who, who are you So it's a very weird thing going on there well kudos to them, for recognizing that new media has such a place? Yeah? It's just media. I mean at this point I think that Yeah. This whole concept of new media versus only it's just me. Yeah, there's independent. Censored. Untethered media, which is why we're more popular yeah, of course, yeah. Exactly try watch sing, one of those ABC Nightline or one of those political shows terrible and then try watching something on Youtube where people get to be free with their language and free with their expression beholden to any executives or producers and yeah. So they get it, but they don't get it get it because when I went

Chris Christie thing. They had it in his giant room and about twenty. Five percent of the room, was full and then for one of my is that I did it a few panels, but one debate they put me in the smallest room, and we had all the seats full and people standing up and packing the room. So they get it, but they don't get it get it talk to them. The new media people are kind of like an afterthought like okay, we'll have them 'cause. You know they should be here, but they don't. They don't realize the draw is not Chris Christie, pause the new media, well Chris Christie and that's not just me, but I just want to clear up there anymore- he's not I mean like who is he? Why would they think that he could fill a play because he's been on tv a lot, but I want to be clear: I'm not even just saying left wing new media, which obviously is what I would be, but even the bench appear what types? Of course he has a big audience when he comes he's got a giant. Yes, exactly yeah, but it's so it's all the new media people who are popular in the rest of Amer. Not did you go to some sort of

the concert where there I know this is it they give you that this is how you got in the building without them giving you a hard time or you want to see how I'm sorry ever. No, I just haven't. I didn't think about sniffing it off yet, but now I'm wishing I did because we're talking about it, networks to go to Coachella on the keep the thing yeah yeah now this is where this is coming off too I'll. Tell you not scared to eat a big knife? Well, I'm I'll cut off a finger by accident. If I use that thing just so, everybody knows this is what I'm talking about. Jamie just gave you a pair of scissors. If you want, though yeah I'll do that so anyway, uh don't take it off under pressure, I mean, if you want to swing by. Actually keep it on. I'm not I'm not a bracelet guy in the first place, so it's a weird thing to be a bracelet guy yeah, like a lot of b It's like you're, really trying hard to be spiritual. There we go yeah and that's not me or ice. If you diamond it up of your rapper and get lot of ice on your wrist. I did used to wear earrings. I did used to do that and I see in your face that you want to mock me at this moment. Springs I had earrings. Oh, you did yeah

you probably had the old nineties, hoop earrings. I had a hoop- and I diamond stud, but it wasn't even a diamond- is a cubic zirconia yeah and has it what happened in the history of the world that you know a woman has walked up to a man and said to a man. I wasn't attracted to you, but then I saw your earring probably happened in the 80s, some of something like that in the 80s, just just because you're so so bold got a hole in your ear chance yeah, I guess that has only counter culture vibe to it. There you go hearing cutie man, you had Babyface now. The other thing is just a piece: that's a hook that's the thing that goes there to hold it in place, so you only had one it all on one year, yeah, okay, the left hand side. I didn't go like full rock star with the double hoops like Axel rose. Well, on the street. Is that if you only do the right ear, you're supposed to be a signal that you're gay, that was the dragon time boy. Is that true, or is that just people talking shit? Oh.

I don't know, I had it on my left ear, 'cause, that's what I had heard. I remember that too. I don't yeah right bro, but you can, if you, if you could do both and that's not considered gay, but you did the right you're alone that was considered. But if you did balls you either a pirate you're in a band. I should have both at one point and it's funny, because when people see old pictures of me they say I either look like the jersey at like a Jersey shore, Wanna be or like a backstreet boys want to be in because I love my because I had the earrings and I had the hair totally spiked and yeah. That was the style at the time and you're also running a risk, because you've got like a little bit of facial hair. Yeah, I don't have like very masculine, know a beard, but you've got something going. Which is definitely a man or you are woman undergoing hormone replacement therapy got that Chaz bono type thing happen It's called a lazy man's beard because I can't even even really grow a beard, so it's just this is It is one I get lazy. You got a little

I'm going on now, yeah, I guess so, maybe if an asteroid, but we just had the mustache itself that would be kind of creepy. Moustaches I'm going on a jihad against mustaches, as I think, for whatever reason they look more ridiculous than full I don't know some people like like SAM Elliott, the actor I don't know who that is. I know I know talking Celik Ok, so I've seen roadhouse but which guy is it in wrote, SAM Elliott, everybody We need to make big Lebowski Swayze die. Oh, my yeah, but he but he's got the booking mustache when a man, but the Grandpa vibe going on well didn't always go to roadhouse, go to look at that SAM Elliott and but he's a great great voice. Nobody is blowing him because he has a mustache easy, don't blow his fucking game. Theory is look at that, come on yeah, I mean we don't love it with the hair. Right now to there are, there

Roadhouse yeah, but that's a full beard, that's more of a full beard! That's true, and that looks better on him. I don't know oh come on now. I don't think a go. Tell you that one right there, I don't think a he looks as ridiculous as a mustache alone. Some this can pull it off. It's a bold choice, but it can't look. You can't look overly artsy with it. You know what I mean you can't you can't, if can, if it looks like you're tied to your t as a matter of your identity, then it's a problem it's just to do seems like he's rocking ago, Tikas decided one day to rock a goatee. That's alright! You know what kind of diet out the soul patch, the salt. Yeah. I haven't seen one of those in forever yeah that kind of went away. Did you ever have any facial hair or no just beards beards? I grew it way out at one point in time, because there's a guy named Evan Tanner, who is MMA fighter that was known for having a big, thick crazy beard. He was really interesting guy and he really nice guy too

and he died in He went on sort of a walkabout and decided to go in death, valley and camp out and he ran out of water. It couldn't find his water and you only got one up dying from heat and a lot of us were pretty broken up about it. So a bunch of people remind decided to grow out our beards for certain amount of months. That's me with a full beard wow. So you, uh. Almost you could get a caveman beard going. If you wanted to yeah, I get a full beard, yeah and that's need trimming around the cheeks. Yeah, yeah yeah. She creeps all the way up to my nostrils, yeah yeah yeah. I grew that out for a couple of months. Again how long we decided to great looking like you know, what are you doing? Listen that was when he wanted to play Robert Shapiro. Didn't he do that for OJ movie, I feel like it was okay. Maybe it's just yeah

verifies every single. You know about John Travolta Optical above it's right there for tickling balls anyway, so the Chris Christie. Thing, yeah, so in political on he's what it will Is he doing there? You are yeah, you could play it if you want ok, please yeah Kyle questions Chris Christie Anti Marijuana. First of all, I want to say thank you for single handedly destroying little Marco Rubio. I think I watched that clip like forty times over Could you pause for a second? I just want explain that to Joe. I don't know if you know what I'm referencing there, but during the republican primary there was one debate where Chris Christie just We destroyed Marco Rubio's chances of becoming president because he kept repeating him over and over giving the same talking points, and Chris Christie pointed that out and then Marco Rubio did it again

and Chris Christie's like there he goes again. There goes again and the room exploded, and it was that interaction where everybody, where Rubio tanked in the polls, Finish him off, so my strategy with Christy was I'm going to turn this off. Right it on something to disarm him, and then I'm going to him with the real question very smart. My question is in regard to the opioid epidemic. I know that you care deeply about that. In fact, you got as far as quality aids of our generation. There are, according to two studies in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Legal recreational marijuana would help fight the opioid epidemic. So knowing that and knowing that sixty two percent of Americans now favor favor full legalization. Why not come out in support of it because it's wrong, so let it play out, let it play out of Harvard Medical School and from Stanford they tell you the exact.

Okay, pause right there, all right there, his giant problems. Epidemiology, store studies and he should know that yeah. I know that for sure, epitome, epidemiology studies, the you know, you're in a big click questionnaires you you don't take into account all sorts of other issues that these people do in their lives and also like when you're dealing but those kind of studies are person. Be doing marijuana, but also be drinking a lot, but also be doing other things. So what the argument is that it's gateway drug, The only way that argument works is if you somehow or another track someone and saw that I want to made them change their opinion on doing other drugs 'cause. A lot of these people just doing drugs, and they do marijuana as well sure say- we've showed through these these at allergy studies that marijuana is a gateway drug because they started smoking marijuana, and then they went to do heroin, going to do heroin anyway, yeah exactly that's

so, what's going on sure, there's no fucking gateway drug that whole idea is been dismissed. That's like water is a gateway drug to rape, not every rapist drinks, water. You know it really. Is that almost that stupid? So do you think that when a little bit of applause 'cause. He answered me quickly. Do you think that that beginning of the applause was my question or for him saying no, sponsor sent for you, okay, because we are debating that I wasn't sure I'll check? Do it again play again, it's really clear: eight one automatic supporting it, because it's wrong

I couldn't tell studies for both Harvard Medical School tell to, and I just don't believe that we're in the midst of a drug addiction that we need to legalize you know clearly he's got a food addiction. His food addiction is far more dangerous than marijuana. Marijuana on its own has killed no one ever half a million. People die every year from being a fat fuck, that's that's the facts. Yeah this guy is a part of a real death epidemic and if you were mean you would bring that up this

brings a bank robbers. As bag of Eminem's to a football game. I mean he's ridiculous, he's ridiculous talk about marijuana and marijuana being a gateway drug. The whole idea of a stupid look to marijuana or don't smoke marijuana, but the point is, marijuana doesn't kill you. It's really that simple now, if you're saying that marijuana causes you to do all sorts of other things, you've got to have some direct pathway yeah. That shows it changes your inhibitions. It changes the way you think about things. That's never been done if the, if the, if anything, what gets people to try drugs is when you tell them that marijuana is dangerous and they where I want to go, this is Shane dangerous. Not doing. Surely I feel great. The next day is nothing wrong. All I do is eat a pizza. You know, uh I giggle. I watch a bunch of cartoons. My friends had a great fucking time. That is it

information aspect of it is more dangerous than the idea that it's a Kate, some sort of a gateway. I agree with all of that Now I wanted to pounce when he said that, but you have to understand this was his town hall so knew that I was the first one is gonna, be shot to the side very quickly anyway, because there was a whole big line behind me. I had the wrong about people clapping the money, really cool, yeah yeah yeah, so that was wrong. I'm sure some of the people in the room were there to see him and they agree with him because it was his town hall yeah. I wanted to Counts, but I knew I can't really go back and forth like it's a debate, so what I did is whenever I knew I could interject just a little bit. I pushed him on you're, going to see that in a second. What is that weird background with like a bird? It's uh, 1980s backdrop that they put up with this. What is it saying? It's like seven point account it's as political, the weird okay, with a weird drawing his weird right, yeah. Okay, Well, with alcohol ready. We have alcohol rating, all the rest, and I get that, but I wouldn't hear what you guys down.

Well, no, I don't have any you know. You cannot choose face back in two and that's a big important argument about marijuana, because once you legalize this that two faced ever goes back into two you can't so in California driving by the way. I know we can't do it. Is we try it? It was called proficient and didn't work. She did state legal in California 'cause, I wouldn't listen. I think that states have the right to do what they want to do on this. But what I would tell you is that broad legalization of marijuana loan, in my view, alleviate or even minimize the opioid crisis- and, in fact is subways- may add to it, and I will also say that I almost never agree with the teachers union in any state anywhere, but the Colorado Education Association has said this year that the single biggest challenge for their members to educate middle schoolers

high school was in Colorado. Thank you for coming with. Gummy bears hi. The good part is making it much more difficult for the t. Jack is a laugh at all. It's a education is, as you walk through this very moment there watching be appalled to know that I, but I agree with you on that. One respectfully disagree with your Thank you, sir. So he actually change his position slightly, because when he ran for president, he said. Not only am I against marijuana being legal at a federal level. I wouldn't even let Individual states decide whether or not they want legal marijuana. So in other words he would prosecute the states like Colorado and California that have legal marijuana using federal law and right there. He often disposition slightly and he said well, leave it up to the states and let them decide. So I think that's because he knows he'll never be president No, I think he still wants to be president there's no fucking way

I think he's going to run again. No, I don't know if he's going to run in two thousand and twenty, but two thousand and twenty four I'm not serious. First of all, the odds of guys going to make it eight more years. With that fear, point morbidly obese carcasses moving his mind around with me. Stapler. Did he get his stomach suit? You know, Somebody pointed that out. I didn't know that I never saw those stories, I'm not denying that it's true, but I just never heard it, but if he did didn't work well, I had a friend who ate through two of those. He, when that's what I'm saying anyway, about food he's addicted to food. That's like like this is new. Questionable and he's an addict? Do you think nobody said that to him in his life or no look? Look how much thinner he got. Ok, ok! He did this all. I guess he did this before the presidential race 'cause. He wanted to make it, but then he got fat again yeah, so he was rotund before he was like a bag of water.

Before, and then you know he he trimmed himself down yeah and it's funny because I don't think in any way he realizes the hypocrisy of having his own no issue with food and he would argue, hey man, listen I'm gonna what I wanted to freedom choice when it comes to freedom for somebody to decide to tweak their consciousness slightly. All of a sudden, he says you shouldn't be allowed to do that. Well, that's why it's preposterous, the idea that you mean even with what he said about alcohol, didn't make any sense, like, would you make alcohol legal? We try to write. It's called probation, ok, but let's pretend that you had some sort of an ability to keep that from. You know going sideways again, let's start from the beginning, would you want alcohol to be legal or not, if you could wave your hand and- and there would be no more problems that are alcohol associated, would you do that make it illegal versus give a grown adult the possibility of deciding whether or not they want to drink or not drink, yeah

not being consistent in logic. That's the point is that he's willing to say thinking about donuts, but he even The mission prohibition there, but that makes my point not his point. Yes, because that's when the mafia got incredibly powerful because you pushed all the call sales underground and they got power in the money as a result of it and that's when crime the shot through the roof. So if you want to decrease violent crime- and the drug war yeah I mean look. Talk to people in Mexico mean it states in our hunger for illegal drugs is a reason why the cartel got so huge when we were kids when I was in high school? There was no mexican cartel yeah we discussed. It was not an issue. There was no discussion. What however, about violence from Mexico. That is an incredibly recent thing, yeah. In fact, I do MTV Spring Break I want to say it was back in two and and two I was

posting this spring break thing for MTV when fear factor was just on the air, and it was like one of those publicity things that we did. And there was no worries about going to Mexico. The band was nothing. It was just like: hey we're going to Mexico. Okay, cool! It's like hey we're, gonna go to New Mexico was no different yeah. You know and now it's like you going to Mexico about the gangs were, but the violence will put the cartel people would go to Tijuana all the time He would worry because it was cd and crazy and you know there's a lot of pickpockets and thieves, but it was never cartel violence cartel violence, is literally within the last fifteen years or so, and our strategy had the opposite of the effect they wanted. So you get El Chapo. When you take. Okay is the decapitation strategy we got rid of the top guy. Now we're good yeah. What happened is you at his cartel became fractional iced, and then you had people fighting

who were top officials in his cartel and they both wanted to become the head guy, and so then there's a war between those guys and their gangs in the street. So it's the exact opposite of what they say they want, which is: let's decrease the violence and make sure everything is running peacefully and also an amazing fact that I just learned about a few weeks ago. There are two hundred thousand deaths that have happened as a result of the drug war. Two hundred I wasn't that's aware in America no the? U and Mexico that seems low. You think that's low. I was so high, I mean I guess, because it's been going on since Reagan, yeah one would think. Okay, it's all went where Knicks, I'm sorry Nixon, not Reagan be bright, but that was like in inside the United States. But I mean like how do you classify a like what was done because the drug war? You have to go with. All the stuff that happened in Vietnam. With heroin, I mean how many people, Filters include via. I think this is just for the USA and Mexico and I think it's tide to what we were talking about, that

tell violence, and then people get caught in the crossfire and they get their lives destroyed. It still seems low to Maine yeah and it's over a trillion dollars has been wasted on this. It I'd be interested in talking to someone who is an expert get Chris but it was a real on Mexico and what happened with the cartels, the rise, the cartels, because I'm sure there was always organized violence in organized crime, but like what happened where it exploded to the point where I'm I was just talking to a friend of mine who said he won't go to Mexico. I'm like I've been to Mexico and Mexico is great I was talking about Punta Mita, you ever to me. Now it's beautiful. It's like near Puerto Vallarta. It's gorgeous so beautiful we were so we're staying at a resort and I was with my family- and they have these golf course- so can drive around the resort on and we said, let's go to the town. Let's go see what the is a town right outside of the resort. Let's go see what it's like. You go,

out of the resort in a block You hit a military station where they those men that are standing by an armored vehicles- So I said to my wife I said: do you know why they're there they're there to guard their resort like? Oh, that's what this says she's like you really think so I go. I know so. Why are they standing here? On top of this? They have these like steel plates with machine guns. These guys have flat jackets on and they're standing there on top of these military vehicles standing there they're ready, they're on standby, this thing right outside the gates of the four seasons. Yes, this is what this is fair yeah there to make sure that they protect their tour. Prism, industry, yeah and that's all directly to the drug war. Well, the drug war has had a massive impact on Acapulco Acapulco used to play

the the place where everybody would go. They said the vague ISS of Mexico. If they were trying to rival vague ISS an now, that's where they say, there's mega cartel violence, they don't even just call them cartels. Now say there are mega cartels. They are fighting for more power when they not only that there's been some violence where they purposely killed. People that we're staying in resorts to sort of send a message like, oh my goodness, yeah and there's dead politician, to where they they found. These mass graves. Did you hear about that now, every now and then they'll stumble across a two hundred person mass grave and then whoever is not being killed there usually being bribed by the cartels. So so experts have said this is literally a narco state. At this point, I'm curious what this new guy is going to do, because this new guy supposed to be anti corruption and Hopefully I don't know what his position is on the drug war. But I'd be surprised if his position was not hey, Let's find another way to do this, because now world opinion has shifted in the US. Sixty two percent of the country says: let's legalize marijuana, yeah and that's and honestly, I think people are thinking that

without even realizing that there's a giant spike in crime, cause, it's illegal yeah, they don't even know yeah. I agree and also killing journalists in Mexico, other killing police. There's a lot of people are dying in Mexico because the cartel violence you know we were talking about Jamal could show you guys yeah before the blonde yeah started and how disturbing this whole thing is and the the plot of it for folks who don't know we're talking about Lou Lou, Phil people in ok, okay, sure so Market shogi is a journalist who actually work for the Washington Post and he and into the saudi embassy in to get a marriage license or any to get a marriage license it for him, his wife and he never got out, they killed them dismembered him used a bone and then they even went as far as to cover it up where they had a body double go in and they gave me a fake beer. And they had him. Wear his clothes and walk out. Is there video the body double there is there is

in fact CNN had it? I know. Yesterday I was looking at the CNN video that had it so Saudi Arabia now brazenly killing journalists and I'll tell you what you know him up with a bunch of different versions of the story tell yet, but why they did it. Here's the body during l, there's him and then the guy on the right with hair? Why would I will go with her. Is a body double think about how much it had to be planned out to have a body double right, but why the give the body W Bobble head? He is going to be a by double shaver head. Do the other guys ball this year? Easy! So, do you do a good job at faking? Their but it's the worst fake ever yeah, because the guys, a full head of hair yeah. It's not great now terrible how shoes on to hear different shoes. Yeah I mean that's, that's the worst How did it get dark here and they're saying this? Is a guy look? He's fine walking around no issues. It's a body! Double knotted hairdo I mean, if you can have

body, double shave, the guys fuckin' head. I walked in those different shirt and everything that's the body double so his hair colors different too. I mean he's, get dark here. This guys got gray here The thing that's driving me nuts about this is so now now it is getting a lot of press attention and I'm happy it's getting a lot of press attention, of course, but the reason why it is is because he's part of the elite class in the he's a journalist. So now you have the people from the New York Times the Washington, Post and CNN. They can relate and they go. Oh, my god they're killing journalists. Now this is crazy. Look at the precedent that this, but what people don't know is for the past two or three years Saudi Arabia. Has been waging a literal genocide in Yemen and that's not an exaggeration, so they located the country they're not allowing in medicine. There's a cholera epidemic happening there. Millions of people are sick. They have people dying of starve. Because they're, not allowing in food or humanitarian aid. The bombing hospitals, they're bombing schools to bomb open air markets, so they're doing a literal genocide and that got very little coverage. But then, with this journalist

finally starting to get some coverage, but I'm curious what happens moving forward in terms of how will the US response Do it because, as I'm sure you already know this, I mean they care more about that. One hundred and ten billion dollar weapons deal that they just had with the Saudis than they do about the live if you manage, are the lives of journalists yeah the idea of I'm being really valuable. It's not it's not just that he's a part of the elite that there was a conspiracy to do so that they think came from up on high, yeah right. There was fifteen people that they're saying flew in from Saudi Arabia, and one of them was a forensics expert who, like knows how to cover up evidence, was what evidence is. What's like a movie or if you like, a movie, did the bone saw things have been confirmed, they know the well and a bone saw. I heard that now the nickname for him in Washington DC is what what they a bone song of Solomon. His name is my: it been Solomon, they're calling him Bonesaw Solomon or something like that. Yeah dude. It is the stuff that's going

on is just scary to me and then there's also some interesting GEO political stuff happening around this. The head of Turkey is now using this as an issue to try to snuggle up to the: U S because he's got ambitions were he wants to like recreate the Ottoman Empire and, of course, Muhammad Bin Solomon. He has ambitions. Were you want to dominate the the Middle EAST, so you have at the same time. This weird ego battle between Juan and Mohammed Bin Salman and trying to suck up to the. U S. To you know basic get it so that we keep. We do favors for them and we allow them to expand on top of that. The change multiple times right. That's what have fun times. Yes, they said nothing happened to them to him. Then they said only died out fight, yeah and now they're saying that he was killed by people who overstep their bounds. That's right, yeah the change storage is also stories that the the consulate has video

go and audio evidence of the murder. That's what Turkey saying yeah, but they don't want to release it, because then people will know how they're spying on them when they visit the consulate- I guess so I didn't see that but I'll take your word for it. Yeah that was see find that that was one of the things that was brought up yesterday. They don't want to release this video and audio evidence, because if they do, then other people know how they're spying on them when they visit. Yes, I could see that they should immediately cut off the arms deal with Saudi Arabia. More weapons for a regime. That's doing the stuff that they're doing, and we already knew that they be had people in the public square, first, sorcery sorcery: do they really yes for sorcery, from which you don't want for drug smuggling that baby had people in the public square for those things. Well, the drugs juggling that's a real problem, but you don't want any sorcery

Exactly now you don't want sorcery man. Did you ever watch that movie doctor strange You can get out of here. Strange love, I think I know not to strangers Marvel comics character. That was a movie in two and seventeen he's one of the avengers. You know who doctor Strange's, I have a there's another thing: I'm waging jihad on our comic book based movies and I'll. Tell you owe me a lot of dislikes for that, but so I didn't like black panel. You know I don't mind, but cancer. I did not but I racist, you must be racist. You got me bro, you got me, I didn't see what Conda forever bro. Actually the last one I saw was Batman which the christian Bale one and just the voice alone, the voice alone. I said fuck, this didn't like it. I couldn't and I said that so fake- I think- but my brother in law, good point. He was like yeah, but if he's playing Batman and that's even more fake than the voice, why is it a point to turn you off to it? But I don't know I just have a weird thing was super most because we know

it's going to happen. All the superheroes swoops in and saying yeah true was going live. Give me something interesting, but the new Avengers Movie, had a lot of twists and turns. Ok, like the whole couldn't be the hulk. Even when he's getting angry. Spoiler you're going to see it so no spoilers weather Fuckedup, the movie, the Fuckedup, the movies. The whole be there or why the fuck. Do you have the hulk? He can't be the weight I'm lying. I saw the whole with Edward Norton was the whole can one of the movies. He was a hawk way back when I saw that one too yeah Mark Ruffalo as the Hulk now right. I call in Buffalo Mark Buffalo yeah, because why not He is he's of real Wanda season activist, but he certainly very local yeah. I don't know much about him. I just know I called him Buffalo. Why 'cause? Why not it's funny? I laugh at that's all that matters? Ok! Well for you! That's all that matters

he's a belief that guys always tweeting about political stuff and social social issues. Yeah. It seems like very progressive, very open minded, or at least very active sure, constantly talking about stuff yeah, yeah you're not buying it yeah. I just don't know anything about Mark Ruffalo, so I can add nothing of substance can't be the whole. Can still be that guy. I don't know it's one, my favorite superhero. So he was the Hulk to Buffalo he's the new hulk. New hulk yeah he's been the hog for the last few years. Don't you, eight, how Hollywood just recycles the same stuff over and over crazy thing to me is spider man. There's it's been like eighty Spiderman and whenever a guy gets famous being advantage like him like a little more money. They go fuck you I'm going to make a new spiderman yeah, but they go with the surefire things that they know will make money yeah and that's the superhero stuff. Well, definitely relaunch Spiderman and the hulk till the cows come home and I guess Batman too, but the Ben Affleck. Batman people like

That's another one. I would never watch not Ben Affleck, that's the fucking! That's the no radio in Superman again now I'll. Thank God same thing. You know what, if I was a woman right now, I'd be pissed, where's, the God Dam, Catwoman Movies, huh, we're superwoman wonder woman? Has there not been a catwoman or super loose? Last time there was a cat woman movie. Long time ago tell be another one, give it time they need to one hundred percent will do it, I'm going to get discriminated against in the world of superhero movies, only wonder woman. She saw his fuckin' half now. Who played wonder. Woman gal gadot. Oh that's the israeli something in the IDF choosing the israeli military. I think she was she Marquez who just here Marcus he was, he was showing how she got busted She was doing some campaign for Huawei phones and she tweeted using an Iphone, see

I hate that man. I would only push a product that I really agree with and believe in. I have a friend who's doing SAM Sung commercials and the entire time whose use an Iphone any like. If they catch me using an Iphone. They will fire me and I don't care I'm using a fuckin' Iphone. So you had Iphone and the Samsung phone, but never use a Samsung phone, all his friends next everyone everything you would do. We do on the Iphone why They just hire. Somebody who loves SAM Song is popular popular they. They could do that better. Yet they should just looks example. This was a long time ago, though. I want to say that this was probably six five or six years ago and back then the phones were not as good thank. There was a big difference between the Iphone and Android phones. Now, there's not really that much of a difference there they're both pretty fucking awesome and I think that they just hire someone who's got some

king integrity and doesn't like yeah yeah about that yeah married to Iphone by default. 'cause I've been stuck with this since Iphone four yeah and I'm just too lazy to like I don't even know exactly things transfer over. If I were to go to a totally new phone. You know I mean, like I see nothing almost a, but what about my number would they be able to get with my number at least or no? No, no! No, even your number will be a giant issue because you're married to the right chat or I'm I'm message, and then I message thing we were talking about on the last podcast that I bought a pixel and it try to switch over to a pixel from an Iphone, and my text messages wouldn't go through an, and I everyone was texting me using an Imessage and it wasn't sending it to a pixel it was a show. It was some sort of a turn to text to spend. So I know you nope nope That was some interest well they're, basically making it incredibly difficult for you to switch. I even called up apple and have them take out my email from their system 'cause. I

my emails attached, the Imessage so take this out for the system kill my imessage just kill the whole system still wouldn't work. I have want of going back to apple, make you mother, I don't know how it is. I know you've spoken about it many times so you're kind of a techie in the center. You always get like the new phone out here for that I'm now wanna dumbest techies. It's ever walked the face of the planet, but I was gonna say I don't hate. It was stuff, I'm in the stuff I like stuff, but I don't it's like a guy who really likes cars but has zero idea how they work. Yeah! Sure! That's pretty! That's me yeah, but you still go. Through the hassle of ordering it and yes yeah. That seems like a pain in the asses. I would use the same phone for ten years. If I could really yeah. It's just not then I think of what do I use it, for I use it to text people and every now and then call and that's it. I am fascinated by technology

I'm always interested in where it's going and what what they've got going on next in now and what's the latest Negril augmented reality is fascinating. Mom. You were talking about that. That's really interesting because that's supposed to be the next big thing right in the how you know we could see said because the phone I have it's, not a new new Iphone, but you could do augmented reality. Games on so I can look like they're building blocks in the middle of this table and play game where you know whatever charges remember when pokmon was hot and people driving down the street playing pokmon in their car. They were driving crashing into trees and yeah yeah. I remember that use it. When I was a kid I loved, pokmon pokmon came and went so quick. The point where everyone was using pokmon for like months yeah, and then it's You talk about the new one yeah. I would use it yeah, I'm talking back when it was on again boy right. I used to play as a kid and then, if you go back like I tried to turn on a b two years ago to just see what it's like. It is the search.

Prettiest, most basic game. Ever yeah, it's pretty wack, it's pretty wack comparison! Yeah, I What it showed me when people really got into that Pokemon Game is that people of people a very easily amused and it's easy to turn them on to some new latest trend in this latest trend. Being what did you have to do? You have to go out and get things whatever when like when you had to walk to where there were pokmon who are going to fight you and then do you, I think fight them and then, if you beat them, you have them in your collection from all your video game, but not the oldest to the newest one. You know you fight them would use. So my understanding is you go into the app and by the way people can be made from your apps. I could be wrong right and you're walking around with the phone, and you say: okay down the corner in make a right, and that's where I see a pokemon, go down there and then you fight that pokemon and I guess, make your stronger and catch that one, I think, is the way it works. You

sound like you're bored by that concept, yeah yeah, it wasn't I did it like once or twice and then I was like it was also one of those where people are losing weight because they're walking around a lot, so they were touting the positive benefits of it? Let's look. People walking for miles and kind of cardio compared to the cars you've you've been doing is like absolutely Nothing they're not like sprinting to get a pokemon yeah, just the cardio I've been doing is totally unsustainable, though I've got you set for five hours a day yesterday, five a half hours and then another hour at night. Dude is not going to like her. Your knees seemed good. Everything seemed pretty right now. Everything is great. Wow yeah, so everybody listening right now. You guys are lazy bitches because he ran for five hours. What is you it's not smart, it's like that is too much used to make fun of people that did ultra marathons and stuff like it's. Not it's not healthy. Like

I'm not doing myself a service. By doing this, like my body, is like Jesus Christ, dude like when I get home at night, and I crash I crash hard. Do you sleep better tired? I sleep like a brick yeah and then I will We have MIKE really already get up and like fuck, I gotta get to the gym within thirty minutes. 'cause I have a pod in three hours. I have to get a solid two one slash two hours of cardio in in the morning. Yeah it's solid, two one slash two hours at eighty percent. You know so I'm cranking, I mean it's hot, hard and listen to I was listening to stuff to blow your mind when they were, about flying creatures, that's a quarrel and pterodactyls and the origins of the quotes, Quartal, myth in myths, Tech, Mexico and watch like the full length movie of the Titanic. As you workout I've watched it a bunch of

movies. Like yesterday, I watched two solid moves. I finally got to see. Get out never saw get out. It was I really like that guys are very, very good move. Those again movie like other girls, so evil spoiler, alert annual PO You mind go fast. Twenty one thousand attendees when I was this is a lie in Chicago. It's there's over a hundred. Eighty thousand people that played Remember, do you remember when Hillary Clinton Do you remember when Hillary Clinton said alright, every I need you to poke, go polls, and then everybody in the audience was like ditching? You never saw that no, well now you're you're, a progressive but you're not necessarily a Democrat. Well I mean, you're not necessarily like in support of any?

one who's, not a loyal democrat. So I describe myself as populous left. That's how I would describe myself populist means. You know I support the houses that would help ordinary people. And I vote based on the issues, and so, if there's a politician, that's for the policies, I'm for that's what I'm going to support and that's what I'm going to argue for So I'm very, very critical of what we call corporate Democrats, which are Democrats that represent walls. Rubs a big pharma and the military industrial complex and for profit, health, insurance companies and super well, the Republicans also, so you know that's why I co founded a group called justice Democrats and the whole idea was to basically do a populist left. Take over the Democratic Party where you get rid of the corporatists in the party and you have people who will represent the working class and we've been pretty successful so far, they're still, twenty six justice Democrats were in the running and they can get elected and

there were here is an amazing fact. There were four politicians in the house representatives that didn't take any corporate PAC money. There's about to be forty, and that will happen because of justice Democrats, our revolution, which is Bernie Sanders Group, the p triple c, which is another left wing organization and basically happening. Is people on the left? We care about the substantive issues. Our and saying we're not going to take it anymore and we're tired of being lied to by politicians, and we want people who are going to actually represent us in represent working people. You know that I love that and I love that approach and there's so much partisan politics and there's so many people that are just married to the idea of being connected to the Democrats that they're willing to to overlook some really heinous faults Nina Turner

team. So are you gonna vote for me here? Let me do some latitude in some cliches about how we're stronger together and we're going to break down the barriers, and you know it's like well, I don't overtly hate minorities so vote. For me, it's like oh, what a low bar give people something to vote for. That's a great point: yeah I felt a lot of that during the Hillary Clinton campaign. Yeah was like anything but Trump. So we're going to vote for her but boy just be honest. If you had a viable can't lie like tulsi, that's right, tulsi, great If you had Tulsi C gabbard and she was running for president and she's also a woman and she's also left wing, but she cares about the issues she cares about the issues and she's earnest. Yes like when you talk to her, you can tell she just isn't I mean he's careful with her words because she's intelligent, not because she's deceptive yeah and I would vote for her in a fucking heartbeat. There you go.

I was just we just messaging each other. She was messaging me about me about my Netflix, I said run for president want you present any. That would be wonderful, I'm slightly when men. I think she can't, but I think she can win I'm slightly but heard about toll, see because when I was on your podcast last time I plugged her it took talk about how awesome she is, in fact, I think I'm the one who originally told you who she was right. Did you know before me and that podcast many people did? So you have heard of yeah well anyway, she comes on a show. Definitely one of them. She comes on the show and talk about yeah new media is awesome and there's a lot of great. You need to hire. She goes Jimmy Dore and there's a pause, and then you move on to the next topic and I'm like goddamnit tulsi. I plug you plug me, God Bro, I normally that can be incredibly petty and I don't even really mean what I'm saying 'cause. I would still support her as a solution, one hundred percent so yeah I mean it bro. This is some salt and it's headed your way. Tulsi, so remember now, but she's great she's great on the issues and uhm yeah she's, a gem

so in person, that's what that's! What I got out of her like when I got from talking to She is a genuine person and man I mean Maybe- we could choose from Hawaii it's just a different place. It's like it's almost like a state? That's a small town. I mean it's Hawaii is very small. I mean there's a million people in Honolulu, but you outside of Honolulu there's only one hundred thousand on the big island yeah. I don't know how many Maui has, but I think it's only got a couple. One hundred thousand I've never been to Hawaii for a great it looks like a paradise. I mean who the best is late night. If you, want to go somewhere and just chillax four seasons in Lenai. The entire island has three thousand living all wow. It's great. When you get real island, Hawaiians sharp they're, not If you go to Maui they're, wonderful people, they are great but they've been groomed. You know, I'm saying, like people have taught them how to talk

regular white people, where is in my I'm in la Nije they're just chilled out and they and they just they have that way of talking. You know the talk and you know, but page No, it's a real. Interesting sort, of I guess, it's like a dialect of English, you would call it, but they have cool expressions like that they say a lot of things. It would be choke like like. If you talk about like what guy was explained to me how many deer there were in this one place. Close all is a choke dear there's choke dear so it's like a broken English, with different words, sprinkled they did your shoes with different words for different things. You have to be around them all the time. There's also like a it's a way of talk in that so yeah very, very interesting, that's kind of like I think it's called

pat wall? Maybe it's called, I think it's, but people who are jamaican who's speaking English, but is very broken English. You have probably real similar yeah yeah and they love to say, bumble clout. What does that mean blood clot? I think bomber class. I think that's what it means right. Blood clot. I know they also is a blood clot, this a blood clot, I think so that should come up very rarely. Let's hear a doctor, I guess it's terrible but means mother, mother bag? That's what oh I'm so close to the whitest guy. That's ever been in this room meeting, would be blood, clot blood clot, it's a medical term. Basically, talking about sutures yeah, it's fun yeah, but that flight to Hawaii must be some bad five hours from here It's fine, I'm coming from New York. Do you fly here? You hang out for a couple of days and you fly there again, but uh top definition on urban dictionary says it's. A cloth or rag used to

once anal region. That was my second guess would be like a bum, a cloth. So Bumbaclot was like some wiping his he's a cloth like you the douche bag uses the cloth, the wives of but as a war as a word to replace like FACH or yeah yeah MIKE, is an wipe yeah right. That's mean that awesome. I love that before last wipes, yeah. I heard that one in awhile ass. Wipe white ones. 'cause, that's like Butthead you look at the potential candidates for two thousand and twenty who are on the left stands out is Gavin. Newsom is a non he's just too he comes across as a little too politician Ian smarmy. That's how we strike me to you. You don't like him

no I mean I'm sure. If I had a conversation with him and we spoke about the issues, I would agree with him on most of the positions, but I don't know if he really believes it and means it because he's politician right there, politicians, yes, there are politicians who I talk to you when I know that they mean it. Tulsi Gabbert will be one of the O Connor would be another one of those we spoke about him on the show. Last time I was here, Bernie Sanders is another one of those. You know, there's a really interesting politician coming out of West Virginia now I don't know if you heard about this guy. His name is Richard. Ojetta and he's running against a Republican named Carol Miller get this he's running West Virginia is super deep red. Like big time republican. Almost there published I'd probably with Mississippi, is the most conservative area in the country. So this district Trump one by. Forty nine points. There's this democrat Richard Ojetta running he's up in a poll against a Republican by five points. So you're, probably thinking how the hell in a you know a district like that. Can a Democrat be leading, and the answer is very simple- he's pop

list any fighting for working people and he's run these amazing ads, where he literally gave out his phone number in one of the ads and said: listen if you're, a constituent of mine- and you have an issue, call me and I'll. Tell you If a lobbyist tries to come into my office, I'm going to kick him out, I want you in my office, I don't care about lobbyists. I care about the and he's running on all substantive issues he's taking no corporate PAC money he's for Medicare for all so, the guy who, by the the veteran in Iraq and Afghanistan and he's yes and he did vote for Trump and now he's one of Trump's harshest. And he said, listen man I thought Trump was going to be potentially good for working people, but it just turns out. He wasn't good for working people, so, for example, Trump ran as an anti outsourcing He was against NAFTA and Tpp, and all that stuff in is president. There were ninety three thousand jobs that were outsourced- that's even worse than Obama Obama had eighty seven thousand jobs outsourced. So when you go through his record with you can even like the unemployment rate being low. That's totally misleading because wages are falling so

following them, you can't just brag about your economy, be wonderful and his tax bill. Eighty three percent of the benefits of the tax bill went to the top one percent. We say the wages are falling. How much the phone by they're, not keeping up with the pace of inflation, so it's probably one percent, so the point is this trouble ran as a populist, but ultimately he was a fake populace and he's not really helping the working class. That's why his tax bill was. You know he got to the estate tax, for example. That's not something that doesn't that affect point old. One percent of the popular yeah, so Richard Ojetta is this guy who voted for Trump? says: hey, I regret it. I think Trump is wrong, and basically, what he's saying is I'm the real populist candidate? he's. A really inspiring candidate is kind of amazing to see a plus forty nine republican district. Now, potentially go democratic and by the way, he's living proof of the point that I've been making since day. One If you have Democrats who are running and they actually about the issues and want to fight for working people. That's how you win. You know the

problem. Is these labels in the first place right like Republican versus Democrat, like yeah? the idea that we only have two different, distinct parties that are viable options in two thousand eighteen, it's just so stupid to me our system, I don't like our system, I don't. I like parliamentary system- is better now, which we have that when you said that the wages don't keep up with inflation and so they're they're down by about one percent. But how much is unemployment up a bill down on three point: some are percent. He's good. I'm not saying that's not good, but you just have to remember that. That's not a very good economic indicator because think about it. Is an argument was present. I remember back when I was in college and a professor is challenging us on this notion about unemployment, and he said you do know we can create an economy that has zero percent unemployment right and all of us in the class light. First, we didn't know that. Second of all, how do you do that and he goes slavery

everybody can be working, but that doesn't mean everybody's being great or being paid yeah, so when to use unemployment as like your top, can indicator. It's just a shame indicator is just not the best thing you can use right, because, even if working doesn't mean they're doing what they want to do doesn't mean they're, being paid a fair way to half of workers in America make thirty as thousand dollars a year or less. Is it true that true, if Jamie The fact check me on that. I'm more than happy to be fact checked. That's dark. Half of workers in America make thirty thousand dollars a year or less now. But what about Trump's, always citing unemployment rate rates for African American yeah, my parties at their lower than they've ever been before yeah that that could be true. But what are you trying causes? Some like that is that something that's like well trend that was established during the Obama administration. That's slowly but surely moving into the position it's in now, and he just

that way he or is it directly a result of the decisions he's made while he's in office. Well, it does have a lot to do with this tax bill, because corporations are getting a tremendous amount of money in court and corporate profits are through the roof, so they're hiring right. That's willing to that. But again we come full circle, back to the wages, conversation and remember. This is all it's temporary because look at what's happening to the deficit, for example. Now I'm not like, a deficit, hawk r. I think it's such a gigantic issue, but the Republicans typically run as deficit hawks and when you look at deficit. It's gone up by One percent of all american workers make less than thirty thousand dollars a year, a lot of similar numbers, but it's all right around so. The deficit is skyrocketing and that's something that's going to temporarily help numbers that you are citing before those during the Obama administration? What was that article? That's

well there's two thousand and fifteen. Now, I'm sure it is it ok, so some finding all sorts of this one serious as the half of jobs in America pay less than eighteen dollars an hour can trump help. This is from August of last year. It's all right around house of cards, Joe it's a house, a car is a house yeah. What was Trump supposed to do and what did he not do like what was a claiming to do before you went in office so date first well, he said everything at the same time, so I can give any answer that question because I'm sure it is and that's not to just pick on truck, because I was one of the louder screaming about how Hillary Clinton was the exact same thing: she's addition who, throughout her career, she was on every side of every issue and trump. It was kind of the same thing, but the thing is Trump actually got away with it, because I think the way he acts as a politician, He acts like he has no filter and he's just a straight shooter sitting next to you at the bar, but the problem is like Paul pointed out in the debate he said Donald.

Is a straight shooter without the truth, like he's like pretending to be a straight shooter, so it depends what issue you're asking about. I could tell you what Trump said you have to give me. A specific issue you want to know like far we won't talk about that for sure. So on foreign policy, you know half the time, Donald Trump said and there's a so many tweets of him saying this before, president, before he ran that we need to get out of I reckon Afghanistan, it's a waste of time, it's so stupid. Why we there we need to rebuild our own country, and those retweets Riri. Then I got. I totally agree with that Donald Trump one hundred percent, but then the other At the time when he was on the campaign trail. He spoke about how you know. Need to bomb ISIS to smithereens and we need to wipe them out and those things are kind of richteri. Either you bring your troops home and you didn't think he would be able to fix everything, quickly was that one of his promise typical trump you know blow beating like a I'm going to be amazing. If you do the best job you've ever seen ever done, it's not a bad impression, but

Change the tone watch it because I'm not doing the full hand, you doing good movement a movement all. I have is the movement Joseph Rogan for your Joseph. This is all I have. What did you think personally, when you saw Kanye without in singles and ask you about that too bi polar rant, yeah, I feel kind of bad. For I do yes and I'm not, and I want to be clear- I'm really not saying that as a partisan thing, because even if Bernie Sanders was President Kanye West was in it also saying the exact same stuff, I'd still be like whoa. What is going on here, yeah, yet didn't burn, sing. Let him do it too because remember when he left those black lives matter, take your member that yeah yeah, I remember that cost him, but step aside, that really did cost him. He thinks. Oh, yes, yeah people. Do you can't do that? You can't just take the microphone away from someone, so here's? An interesting question: do you think this helped Donald Trump at all, with black Having do that, but how much good really you think so yeah I do.

I don't know, I don't know because I feel like there is con. U S has been disinvited from a lot of cookouts now as a result of what he did with Trump Jamie's on black twitter. James has not at all from what I read. It did not in black twitter, so his response is been very negative. So is Connie. Connie is really almost in a sense blowing his own reputation on this. I guess I don't that there isn't. I don't think so you don't think so. Now I think everyone who is a fan of Connie, W who seen him blow up on Jimmy Kimmel and blow up on all these different people. Criticize them he's he's. Obviously mental health issues, when he went on that rant. I think it was in San Jose is at a concert but I didn't vote. But if I did vote he was out of voted on Trump yeah and everybody went boo and he wound up wanted to a mental hospital after that, oh wow, checked into a mental hospital. Ann then cancel the store. Remember that I do remember that that was because he couldn't handle the criticism, it's part of it and also part of it.

He's legitimately mentally ill, I mean look. He didn't marry that lady and be a part of that family, because he's thinking straight he's got some problem there's something wrong with them. Yeah, no he's a genius in terms of music. He's he's fantastic it creating cheats and songs and hooks. He knows the fuck he's doing there, but he he not a problem, and you hear it when he rants when he's ranting and when he's talking about Ford making dope cars, we don't use the word dope, because we only words like magnificent and regular positive words like he's he's making, he's listening to himself and jerking. After the noises that are coming out of his own mouth. I love I love when he said to the reporter, when the reporter pushed back in a little bit. He's like you just ask me a question: no, you can't do that because this is he's done a fine wine, it's complex, yeah, yeah yeah, exactly I thought those were funny. My read on on the he, I think What he's doing is that he's a contrarian?

and when you are in a place like Hollywood and you're there all the time, you're always surrounded by people who are anti Trump. I think there's something about just this, a reactionary feeling of like like no no I'm not with you guys, I'm different and I'm special as a result of being different. So I'm I'm contrarian and I'm going to disagree with you, and I also think there's narcissism in the sense that he looks at and he really sees himself in Trump in that everybody left to trump when he said I'm going to run for president I'm going to win and if you a few years ago, Connie W said I'm going to run for president and our bodies, definitely wasn't even a few years ago it was recently yeah. Hi. He end what the a guy's name piers Morgan right right got into it on on twitter. He said you're talking to your future president, that's what kind yeah! Oh my god! yeah, maybe was Harvey. Levin said it to your talking about

I actually dislike, Pierce Morgan more than I dislike Kanye West with you go Connie on that one I think Connie's ill. Oh really do I I know he's been medicated yeah I mean remember when he was all chubby when he's on his medication, he got fat and apparently he got off his medication and there are a lot of people by the way who would he the point you made and be would be really angry at the fact that you think that he's mentally ill, even though I think that's a part you see I've seen it on my twitter. I've seen it on my twitter people saying: oh, it's just a cheap, partisan, Hakey put. No, it's not because he's admittedly Mentali Ill He did say that in the season I was diagnosed bi polar institutionalized. He spent time I in a mental hospital yeah being mentally ill, and when you TIM Brant. This is just my opinion. That is not. Ravings of someone who's carefully, considering the implications of each word they're saying and thinking about how to express themselves in it's going to portray

some sort of a clear, cohesive message is not is not what he's doing. What he's doing is jerking off he's jerking off with my I'm not kidding it's just it's just say give me get it out. There's a fine wine. You know we're gonna make the dope was cars. What can't I want the Douglas cars. Did you hear what he said in that same thing, but the reason why we gotta help Larry Hoover is because in a different universe there alternate universes. I am him, I don't think that's correct Lyrics to a song was it said. He said that when he's off his lexapro yeah no no, you ain't seen nothing crazier than this when he off his Lex, remember a time in Mexico. Remember the last that last time the episode asking me why the hell out of text and code, four times just to say, do text me told you four times. Don't text me how

Finna lose all self control, but you ain't finna, raising your voice at me, especially when we in the Giuseppe modern Day, Socrates, but love that crazier than when he's as Lex a pro all my god yeah. I do kind of feel bad, even though this is such a. You know, like a side, show type thing, because I feel I mean the state of the country so weird that beach sits only because of his celebrity and the fact that the mainstream media doesn't know how to keep their eye on the ball. Ever know. Who can become president. It could be. Somebody like, I think, you're underestimating Trump. I mean nothing. I said he could win, but you I knew you would- and I did too I mean I said on my last night, so special phone number for my last one. I don't think Connie so as a God dam, snowballs chance in hell of being ok, I see what you're saying, but I don't think anybody

that's famous can be president. I think what Trump did was some master manipulating skills combined with some superhuman enerji that most likely came from diet pills. What I think is his ability to campaign his ability to maintain his energy and keep ranting and raving Jiaqing and phenomenal. He he Hilary couldn't keep up with that CHI Chi Chi do literally didn't campaign places shouldn't have the Energi. That's where I was breaking down. He trump went directly to the rust belt and railed against NAFTA and the trade deals that destroyed their lives and Hillary Clinton? I mean Bill Clinton is the who did NAFTA yeah and she didn't campaign in a lot of those states, because her campaign genuinely thought like. Oh, we got those those are democratic, lockups and guess what Trump ended up winning because of seventy thousand votes in the rust belt, so it directly So that's why I get so angry when there some people on the left, who, like only focus on

the sum of Trump supporters who are racist and all they want to do is talk about how bad of people they are. It's like. Ok, you could shame people all day long, that's not going to get them to vote for you, but I agree you, don't you don't need the David vote. For you, that's fine, but you know we do need the two times, on the voter who then flipped to Trump who's in the rust belt, who had his freaking job outsourced. That's who you need in that through the Kratz abandoned the IBM is saying that all trump voters are racist, too, is you're you're creating. He's very clear sides: and it's a way to white. Wash your loss, it's a way to say: listen, we don't! to change in any way, because it's just because these people are bad people, I don't blame us, there's nothing. We did wrong blame them where If you really were interested in winning and getting power and implementing your agenda, you want you want to reach whoever you reach. Now again, I'm not saying you try to get David, Duke a Richard Spencer, on your side, because some people are too far gone, but seventy The country is not too far gone.

So you should have went to the rust belt and you know try to get the times: Obama Voter, who then flip to Trump, and they didn't do that. Why there's also. There was some real benefit in someone like Bernie Sanders, just like, I think, there's some real benefit in someone like Obama, socially, where when you saw a guy who was came from a single mom, who is a black guy who the being the president I'd states, you just go wow, maybe we're better! I thought we were like. Maybe we don't have all these prejudices? Maybe there's less of us, then people try to claim- and I think a guy like Bernie Sanders could I've been a real foil it's, been a real. He could. I've been a guy that if you looked at what Trump stood for Trump stood for the outsider, who understands the game because he hired those people, he paid those people, he bribed those people, and now I'm going to clean the swamp, Yash ring the want and on the other side, you've got this deeply flawed woman, whose delete

Thirty thousand emails he's beholden to all the iraqi war. The Iraq war bumping gods, how 'bout the Patriot ACT warmer spying on all Americans, which she supported every time there was a major issue where it was really a test of and ideology. She was wrong, well When you go into her her thoughts on gay marriage, she and believe in gay marriage. So two thousand and thirteen which is like that is one of the least aggressive things you could ever say, like you didn't believe it two thousand and thirteen yeah. Why not like you think it should be between a man and a woman like what does that even mean? It means you're trying to pander to what you think is the majority sentiment in the religious country? Yes, you're going. Meanwhile Bernie Sanders is the fundamentally the opposite, Hillary Clinton, agree or disagree with him for the past thirty. Forty years he's had the same ideology saying the same stuff. Yes, very, very progressive maybe he's totally wrong about some of the socialist ideas, maybe would bankrupt the

maybe some of his. I don't think it would. I don't know what other judgment may may. Maybe you would maybe would be. Catastrophic to our economy. How do maybe maybe would be bad. Maybe it would be the opposite of what we're doing that's right now with in terms of the progression of unemployment, where time is an all time high and that or all time low rather where, when you look the people that are doing well in this country because of some of the things that Trump's implemented, whether it's people that are getting lower wage job. Jobs. Then they would like to have or whatever it is. When you look at the numbers, maybe those numbers would go in the other way. So, but my point is what he represents, though if someone is not corrupt. We read dance is someone who's, not beholden to banks, but he represents someone. Doesn't care about money, it's not as things it's never been his thing, his thing, then social justice, whether it's right or wrong. It would represent something entirely different. Where is would

the represented, was corruption with a different taste to it. So I would say I agree with a lot of what you just said there in terms of Bernie I personally, use the term social justice for him, because that has you know social justice warrior now yeah it's a thing on the internet, and you know everybody, it's basically what I think of when I hear social justice warrior is over sensitive college. Kid with pink hair was trying to do platform. Conservative speakers now, but that's unfortunate, that it's become well. I mean let's, let's, let's, let's take the way social justice say progressive ideology. Okay, say that but what Bernie Sanders actually represents in my mind and based on his record, is what he wants to do. Is make this country, like every other developed country on the plan? that's already kicking our asses in so many relevant areas. So there's this common argument, which is nothing but a straw. Man argument that comes from the far right, where they say

Bernie Sanders and his ideology he wants to make the United States like Venezuela or, like Cuba or times even say, like the old Soviet Union. Well, no, if you league issue for issue pretty clearly. What he's asking for is a swedish or norwegian type system, which is the US, the US major, the major differences. They have universal healthcare. Some of these. Have universal education, so and you know, middle class wages are higher. So what he's asking four is a better mixed economy. It's called social democracy, he's asking for a social, democratic. Type system it is not post capitalist. It's not saying, let's scrap the system and that's all you know act like we're. Whatever Hugo laser tag will vara. What he's asking for is actually, I would call it mod in an international sense, because he looks at the rest of the developed world and he goes man. These guys are kicking our asses on health. Who's kicking their asses in what parts of the developed world so

You look at health care, for example, there's a study that came out from the Commonwealth Fund, which found that the United States ranks 11th, eleven when it comes to developed countries in health care. So we have worse health outcomes, an it's expensive and we don't even cover everybody. We have twenty nine million people who are uninsured so- there there are single payer systems and their systems beat us in every measurable happy there. We see worse health outcomes based on what You have someone who goes to the doctor. Worse outcome, in terms of like what happens once you've been checked in or whatever it is. It's a methodology to study. I don't know the answer off the top of my head. That's a big issue is because our we have a giant problem. Obviously with our diet, you know and sure, I'm not I'm in the night out for a second. How much of that? I wonder how much of it is based on that when you're dealing with worse health, health outcomes like how much of that health, how many those health problems are they're based on people's personal choices, rather then the health care system that they're operating under. So that is definitely a serious problem and one that needs

conversation and needs fixing what armor Three two is stuff. That's more like we have twenty nine people who for uninsured in this country. We have anywhere from thirty two to forty five thousand people that die every year in this country, because they don't have access to basic health care. We pay per capita. We pay double what other developed countries pay and again cover everybody. We don't cover everybody, so it's very it's very failing in every measurable way, even if you control for factors like your accurately pointing out yeah. What's going on to in terms of like we have the high number of really fantastic doctors, people, that's kind of where I'm in a dress and a please God? Okay, so if you're a saudi prince, You do want to come to the United States for health care, because, if you're in the top zero point zero one percent, you are going to get the best care here right, it's just different brain surgeon or just the p dick surgeon for the average person right.

You're going to want to be in Canada or Sweden, or Norway or Australia, or any of those places. This is the argument for socialized Medison versus privatized medicine, that privatized medicine in sent sizes someone? Excel someone to be that guy that hey this guy worked on the Brown James. All we got to go slow him, so you know he's the best. That's a decent point and my counters. That is I know Bernie Sanders is as well because I've seen his bill and he advocates for a particular type of Medicare for all system. You don't need to ban supplemental private insurance. In fact, I would totally disagree with any bill. It says we're now banning private insurance, because you can do single payer system, where you say we're going to have public funding of public institutions or you a single payer system like the French do or the can Can where they store the Canadians do where you have public funding of private entities, so we are talking about. Is you know, hey

Are we going to if there's no competition, how we going to get the best doctors and things of that nature and my reactions I'm just talking about the baseline public funding of private? fusions and still allow people if they want to pay extra and go to a specialist, they could do that. I'm not necessarily even saying that what I'm saying is that the some of having an incentive for being excellent. Having a financial incentive that causes people to excel yeah and- and I would agree that in certain fields, not another field. Well, I think it's it's a only exists in the medical field and surgery in many different medical practices you find fan. Mastic practitioners here in the United States, because they get paid substantially for it? I would argue that the profit motive, specifically in the realm of healthcare, has had the opposite effect and has made so that we have a disastrous system now If we talk about, I agree with you as well. I agree with that as well, but I think that when you're

saying that they kick our in all these other areas like if he said I have canadian friends over here to get operated on and the american friends who go to Canada to get healthcare, but it's cheaper. That's why, not going there with everything right, but it did not go over how they go Canada Health CARE, if you so, if you were to go to Canada, if you were to get sick, you just go to the hospital and they don't charge you even if you're in Consider it if you're a citizen, in fact Trump was saying back. He was on like David Letterman show years before he became president, and he was talking about how awesome, the scottish health care system is because his body went over there and he broke his arm when he was there and he went to a hospital in Scotland and on his way out is like how much do I owe you and they said nothing get out. So if your guy in New Jersey and you fly to Montreal because you're sick take care. Yeah, you don't have to be in a canadian citizen. Now, it's pretty amazing. Don't tell people things as far certain things. Listen, sir, Things in a civilized society should be off the table, just a matter of

what are those things right. It's not everybody agrees with some level of government? Everybody agrees. Okay, we should probably have you no paved roads and police like that's a given. So it's just a matter of let's prioritize. You're. What are the things that were going to take off the table and fun with our tax money and every other. Ella Country has decided well. Health care is one of those things, let's not be silly. Yeah. We've talked about that many times in this podcast that socialism is absolutely apparent in many aspects of our society. Specially firefighters, police officers mean paying for the streets paying for the row, It's like we all agree that our money should be pooled to take care of these very specific issues. Yeah. But then, when it comes to some issues, we get angry and we pretend that socialism doesn't exist at all in this country. Yeah, think that as one of them, but with my problem with that is that medicine is one of the most important things that a human being could ever have the end. If you get Healthcare Healthcare Allow you to stay alive, I give

don't stay alive, you can contribute to the society you're dying from something that they could cure. If you have the money sure it well. This isn't this a giant problem in society if we don't address sick and and ill people and injured people, that's true that we're not caring for each other, absolutely and medical bills, is one of the top causes of bankruptcy in the United States? Could only imagine medical bankruptcies just don't exist in the rest of the modern world? It's not a thing here. It's a gigantic thing, a huge issue yeah, it's weird! we've done. Another thing, that's weird, is what we've done with one of two countries that allows pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on the air, not only that bucking insane Congress and by the way This is why they have like a fifteen or twenty percent approval rating they've, repeatedly slapped down provisions that would give us cheaper pharmaceutical drugs, because they're allowing the pharmaceutical drug companies to price gal. Just why because they're all bought by big pharma yeah? That's that's a giant issue right. What you'll lobbyists

getting them out special interest groups getting their influence out. Getting that kind of money and influence out of policy. There is a way to do it, 28th amendment money out of politics. To do a system. That's called clean elections, which is basically public financing of elections where, instead of instead of run and only having a bigger megaphone. If you sell out more to billionaires, thought you you run and you actually have a battle of ideas and competing philosophies, and whoever has the best ideas and up when let's pretend Devil's advocate sure it's pretend you're arguing against that. Ok, what if you were some lobbyist for the pharmaceutical drug company and you were trying to make a I'll tell you what they say. I'll tell you exactly what they said. Please it's free speech is my free speech to take twenty thousand dollars and give it to the Super PAC. This China, this politician elected because you're telling me? I can't do that. You're telling me, which means you're, saying I don't have the free speech to be able to say. I support a private pharmaceutical system, that's what they've literally argued that in court, that's hilarious, yeah and then

The counter argument to that is many. Other people have pointed out, I'm not the first, but if money equals speech, prostitution should be legal and murder for hire should be legal because I'm not actually hiring somebody to murder. Somebody I'm just saying with speech, because money is speech that I'm okay with it meant yeah. Well, you know. The real issue as well would be that you're not talking about pharmaceutical companies, making no money, there's still massive amounts of people that are on medication. They would still make a lot of fucking money. They just wouldn't make as much money yeah and how much money are they making and that's where it gets obscene? When you see the actual numbers of pharmaceutical drug companies rake in in this country in terms of like what it takes to develop a drug versus what the profit margin is it it's fucking insane and the hurdles to get a drug any drug and there is an issue that they're dealing with right now with stem cells,

stem cell yeah the approval of the address, because they're they're treating them like they are a drug and the conspiracy theory is that pharmacy Could drug companies do not want the approval of stem cells for therapy was whether it's you know and all these different types of stem cells, because the yes, rate is fantastic and they think that it could. We cut down a profit margins. There's certainly an incentive problem there I mean this is the same incentive with against marijuana. The general sales would cut down on the sales of pharmaceutical drugs. Yeah, absolutely and another really gross part of the system. Is that a lot of these drugs or actually created in our universities, by researchers and scientists, and what happens is the for profit private pharma companies swoop in they. But the rights to it for very cheap and then they price

I wouldn't sell it back to the american people for a huge profit when it was the taxpayers who funded the research in the first place So it's a way where they screw you twice. You have to pay for the asian of it in the research of it, and then they get the rights Do it and then they sell it back to you again and check up the price, and then it's even worse than that, because there's this guy Alex is our who is the head of the Health and human services now Trump appointed him. This guy work for Eli Lilly was a price gouger jacked up the price is massively. Now as the head of health and Human services, you know he's in charge of lowering drug prices, So this is a story. Rants parents Larry a small, the ends kind of brilliance of trump honestly. The brilliance of Trump is that he goes out there and he says, like he's populace in his anti establishment. But if you go issue for issue on his policies, he is a massively pro establishment, Financial Protection Bureau is perfect. Example. Is he picked a prayer? a payday lender to lead the consumer Financial Protection Bureau. That Bureau

turn eleven or twelve billion dollars to defraud Americans when big financial institutions screwed them and now he's like yeah. Let's make that worse, let's hang look up that agency and put it payday lender in charge of it, it's comical yeah? It's comical like people believe this type, all this stuff on a daily basis. I would lose my damn mind when I read this right but think about your ability to follow this stuff. You have so much access to information. You have so much time on your hands and this is a main focal point, whereas the average person is not going get this data and I don't blame them, I'm not going on. I was never on the show, don't blame them, they they don't have the it's there's. No there's no band with is no we. It's coming in yeah, but you just said I mean how many people know what you just said. Not many, but that's my job. My job is to come out here and to say these things: everybody can check out youtube dot com, so secular, talk, shameless plug, I know and patris on dot com. Killer talk, another shameless plug. I know, but this is my job. My job is to come out here and tell people what I read and what I follow and bottom line

These guys and I want to come across as partisan in anyway. Yes, I like Bernie Sanders. Yes, I don't like Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, but my whole thing. Is I want a system that is based on common sense, and it's rational and it's logical and it helps people now Bernie's not going to run, I think he might you think so. I haven't heard a word about him. Well, he has I'm making some moves behind the scenes. Anytime, you see a politician person representing him. Try to get ahold of us, oh really, yeah. They faked us out. Is Bernie twenty twenty dot all over my God, yeah they're sending emails all these other people. If you want to get to him, talk to me, I don't know him, but I know people who do not. I want to talk to about this posture, okay fix, so So many things about the way people perceive him. If we could move his head from the center of his chest, put it in a normal place. Well, you know the funny thing about Trump. Is this here? Yes, his posture is how person supposed to be. Not smiling slash two men, no, you wouldn't normal, have normal

His head is down here. Doesn't it wrong spot. It's like girls. I really love any, send those you don't look at him or it we were his head is look gun, see if you find a picture of him right there, his head is way the lower than it supposed to be yeah your head supposed to be up here soon shoulders are look at that picture of burning now watch to me I'm going to do the same. This is my this is see where, on my neck is here my shoulders. Look at that it's like he's doing a little dance. There Joseph rose doing Jackie Mason. I call you Joseph when I'm Trump or Bernie. That's. Why do you not supposed to have your head so far down on your chest right there? That's a perfect example as terrible posture, you know I said this about Trump but laughs at his orange face and his dyed blonde hair. But I actually think that that does make him look younger.

The orange face in the blonde hair. It probably does it gives him some sort of life because if he didn't have, let's say hey, let's say he didn't do the comb over, he didn't die their hair and he didn't have the orange face. People would be like oh that's like a really senile old grandpa was ranting? There's been people have done, shop so what he would look like without hair and with white with white skin. Well, did you see that thing when he was getting on air Force One and it was like he was a demon dude, but it's all I believe there he's got some yeah and he's got the orange in his face. But I would respect them if his hair looked like that when I see him with his hair all swirled around noon on, I can like what you doing. Okay, I'm gonna defend truck now Joe. That's what I'm gonna do. So I am timid on him from the that's a lot of make up. It's got a lot of make up dude, I'm stunned at the dedication he has to the comb over, because this that's probably like an hour long project every day, and he does it every day, he's probably watching fox and friends and tweeting. As someone is there yeah. I do think some doesn't form his try.

How to find the video of him walking up the ramp to air force, one where his hair. It looks like a demon, human skin Sudan, where it's like it just pops off. He, tending to be a human, is rotting from the inside and he's just barely been together? Yeah, that's one, but it's not! image there's a direct behind apple. That's the angle, 'cause! You see how there's just a giant bald spot back there. He doesn't really good job of covering it. He does just so crazy and speech, if you put the Trump hair gift, it might come up that way go with that's it. Right there Jamie here. It is that's crazy. Now you could hear the horror movie noise, as that happens like the weird thing is like look. How? Where is the hair coming from on the sides like? How is there so much here on the site. It's a work of art show like what she goes up the stairs and June July there. It is a wing that wing has. He not.

No, that that wing is flopping around the amount of baldness in the back of his head It's like he's growing hair only on the side of his head, yeah, a strange, usually when people lose their hair, that back portion still grows hair at the very back in his didn't. Yes, very stream, and I mean it the demon and ask him from not Blue Ridge Mall. So here you go step by step on how to do it from here in the US to the looks like some English okay, I could have been, and I could've been swayed into these. You know rock going on there yeah, but I actually do think that this bit ultimately helps. I do yeah. I do see with that picture of him. Balled up there scroll up there Jamie that picture, right there on the same row, the bottom row, the Next, it yeah look at that. That's what he would look like yeah!

you look fine there. You think that looks fine. Yes, I think he only thinks he's not seventy, but I think he looks like a pudgy uncle fester in their chance. He looks like a fucking manners. Give it about his her one of the things that's uh. With him. Is it's not very manly to spend that much time Conan sprang it's true, especially for a billionaire in his 70s. It's one thing, if you twenty and you're panicking like Holyshit, I'm going bald before my time now. Your and you're worth what twenty in dollars or something probably way more now he's prop but massively from being inside the White House, there was some sort of oh. We could talk about that because so You know everybody focuses in mainstream media on the Muller Investigation and his ties to Russia and stuff like that. I think every he's missing the bigger story, because the bigger story is that there are two different emoluments cases which proceeding against Trump and for those you don't know what that is in the constitution. There's the emoluments clause, which basically says that a president of the United States cannot

money from foreign governments because there's a conflict of interest problem. If you take, if I take money from whatever name the place: Russia, Saudi Arabia, Israel, you name it. If I do that. Well then, or, if you're going to be incentivized to do policy in favor of those countries and not necessarily what's best for the american people, and there are two court cases against Trump that have, seated in federal court on this. So what screaming about the molar investigation, they're missing the even bigger corruption scandal I mean we were talking about Saudi Arabia earlier, the Saudis did Trump's hotel and paid two hundred and fifty under three hundred thousand dollars, and they didn't even freaking stay there. So why did they do that? They did because they're trying to make it so that when they give me call and say, hey man? What about that? One hundred billion dollar weapons deal Trump's like, of course 'cause. He's got more money in his bank account as a result of the Saudis, similar things happened with Israel on the way in um jared. Listener and some other people in the Trump Administration spoke to israeli officials about how

Obama and carry on their way out the door- we're going to say hey Israel stop with the illegal settlements. It's just a little slap on the wrist. It was more symbolic than anything else, but Israel was ' the Trump Administration and saying we want you to try to kill this thing and, of course, Jerry Kush. There has taken millions of dollars from israeli banks and he has investments over there. So there's you can't have a president of either party taking money from foreign Gov. It's because then they're going to do those governments bidding that's a huge problem, and I don't Anybody talking about that. All I see them talking about is smaller and oh, my God, Russia, Russia, Russia and spend. Only God. That's ever been president. That really has been a substantial business yeah to this extent for sure, or at least that I know to be clear of. Maybe there maybe way back right now, yeah yeah, it's it's! mark, because everyone knows that this is an inch in issue. I mean everyone knows yeah, you know, and that was one of the issues about Russia'S- that he was trying to put hotels in Moscow. He did that with Russia,

that with Taiwan, it's everywhere, he Pist off China early on because- and this was maybe not as the a deal, but he took a phone call from the head of Taiwan and China does not want Taiwan recognized as its own thing and so that, because diplomatic crisis, because then China was like what are you doing? You can't don't talk to them as if they're their own independent thing and come to find out. He was working on a deal to put a hotel in Taiwan yeah. Well, what is the deal with Taiwan? is China, it. I don't know the detailed history that I just know that China considers Taiwan there's. Anti One says no. We are our own thing right, but that's one of those issues where, when sign we on there, because I mean I don't know enough about it to give you my, but to give you an opinion on it, but it seems to me China saying I want that to be ours and them saying no. That seems like a a big, It seems like you, should even and listen I'm the type of person who says: let's try to work it out in the U S at. However, we can, but it's a really came to the point where I don't know ten.

This was like seriously. You know we're leaving now because of reasons Xy and Z. Should we have the right to tell them? No, I don't know well, was Taiwan was a part of China yeah, I think so up until I don't know dude yeah, I don't know you. I try to do whatever I don't know something. I try to be totally up front about. Why I appreciate that that that That story- I remember thinking that this is so you know people are saying this is unprecedented for the President. I'd states talks Taiwan yeah when really China's she got a giant issue with this is good because huge internet. No problems. Yeah there was a big crisis behind the scenes I didn't get. It, though, it was. It was only story for a day or two, so I don't know too many details of it have following at all the TED Cruz verses, Beto, O'Rourke Race no, would to say, TED Cruz should be voted out. Simply because he's TED Cruz. Because that's where I am, with well he's just a fool. He's just he's so smarmy mccollom, smarmy TED Cruz, well, I'm one of my favorite parts of the election.

Was there was a guy with sunglasses, is on and he was some sort of campaign rally with TED Cruz NEWS like it's over quit you're done This is during the presidential popular sir. What? What is the issue that you have with me, sir, and he's like it's over you're a loser and it's like the guy was Trump guy was like wearing sunglasses like the whole thing was just but you don't know how to handle trolls like look at your stuff now he can't because he's such a fake gun show fake. Did you ever see Trump manhandle him in the debate when he tried to bring up New York values? I don't remember that ok cool. If we watch that show ok, because you're going to love, favorite TED Cruz. Things, though, was the excerpts of his commercial when he was setting up those commercials and he had all the outtakes when you get home, yeah mom praise for me for hours. Just read a well she's like woman speaking, the Foxbusiness, GOP, debate, TED Cruz and Donald Trump discuss New York values, values are

say it again play it, play it again from the beginning, exactly what New York values are. I am from New York what year from New York City, might not, but I promise you anything South Carolina. They do and listen. There are many, many wonderful, wonderful working men and women in the state of New York, but every understands that the We use in New York City are socially liberal or pro abortion or pro gay marriage focus. Around money and the media, and- and I guess I can confirm it another way- not a lot of conservatives come out of Manhattan. I'm just saying, conservatives actually do come out of metal including William, F, Buckley and others. Just so you understand who is,

which means it's got. Great people just got loving people, wonderful people when the word trade center came down. I saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beauty. Really more humanely than New York here at two one hundred and ten story buildings come. Pushing down, I saw them come down and we saw more death, and even the smell of death. Nobody understood it it was with us for months the smell the air and we bill. Downtown Manhattan and everybody in world watched and everybody in the World love New York, an love Okay, and I have to tell you that was a very insulting statement. That technique that could have been handled better like response. It was sloppy,

it sucks, but he's just getting on a whole state because he's a partisan hack? I understand yeah the way he and that wasn't, but I got it. I mean it was good, responded, TED such a when I'm on watch and Trump stand them. I hope you get some yeah, yes fake everything is so pre planned and the video you're talking about is probably even better example. Where He's you know pretending, like he's sitting there with his it's like all right. Kids eat your broccoli, yeah, well, William, F, Buckley's from England. I he lived in hand afterwards, I don't know, did you ever see the Gore for DOW, William, F Buckley, yet AIDS, those was called, the the best of enemies was a call. I thought it was on firing line. He show. Maybe I can no, no, no there's a documentary about. I didn't see that with. I think it's called the best of enemies. It's a The sixties. Debates between Buckley is at best of enemies. It's great you should watch, it will really make that out. For Gore Vidal, like I mean he Pist off Buckley to the point where Buckley called

fagot and said: oh yeah, he goes. I forget the way he said it. He goes up punch, you and you'll stay plastered or some fucking shit sock it to the left yeah. I, the term that he use you know Garber Dial, lived in revelo, he lived in ITALY and you he lives in LA or Hollywood where to place. Okay, Revell, you know, and he you know with a I I was up there was I was I'd. Put it took a picture from Instagram. This were Garber deluged bank dudes right respect, I mean I'm big fan of Gore Vidal was brilliant, brilliant guy, but I liked him he got under William Alpha, skin, so bad the Buckley fell apart during really, Oh, it's fucking screamed at him he's red in the face. That's interesting, because he was calling him a Nazi Gore Vidal, calling and not see yeah, I saw on Youtube. They have William F Buckley, versus Noam Chomsky

the thing that he said back in, like the 60s from the sixty. Eight is fast. Heading to watch that, because, if you're, really nerdy and wonky and you love politics, go watch William, F, Buckley versus Noam Chomsky it is. I love When I was a kid, I used to watch it and be like oh man. This is amazing. He calls the words. You queer knows more than that. I was trying to find the yeah. You find the video. He said he would punch him on not on the list, a plaster? Something like that? He said he said more than the word queer yes, yes, it is, after you tell me. The name may not be on Netflix is definitely on Itunes. Yeah, maybe all the clear, but what it whatever it was. He called him a homosexual slur and then he threatened to knock him out. Certain a sock, whatever the you think, but it was the red the face and because the eyeballs twitching and you know, and really was the end for William F Buckley.

So it's during official like debate that they were having it was during the series of debates at ABC put on. They put on a series debates and Gore Vidal was doing better and then we met buck was kind of a cut and Gore Vidal was mocking him he's very yeah, only Math Buckley was yeah, he's he's gross. It's just weirdly grub showed how he fell apart from that statement on sure that was kind of the end of people taking them completely seriously? People now look back at him through rose, colored, glasses and then, like all my god, he's such a brilliant intellectual, well sort of like what they do with Reagan. Yeah Reagan was an embarrassment yeah yeah they could. You said well, didn't he late in his time in office. Weren't there questions about whether or not he had dementia. Oh one hundred percent remember during the IRAN Contra Debates or the IRAN Contra trials where they ask Did you sell arms to IRAN? These, like, I don't remember, tips, and I don't remember I could be a tactic to try to get out of it right now he was now than was losing. So if you didn't hear it as a,

all this is even older than the Chomsky one. My name is in the United States. I happen to believe that the United States policy is wrong in Vietnam. I'm in the Viet Cong are correct in wanting to organize their country in their own way. Politically, this happens to be pretty much the opinion of Western Europe and many other parts of the world if it is a novelty in Chicago. That is too bad, but I assume that the point of the democracy say it has that right out of a minute. People will not stay, and the answer is that they would. They were well treated by people who ostracize them and I am for ostracizing people who egg on uh people to shoot American Marines in american soldiers. I know you don't scare Crypto Nazi,

Think of it yourself the only side all night and have a listen. You, the radios, I don't know that's a let's stop allowing name unit about them, things the general so and stop making any illusions of not to infantry in the last war. I would like to or not so that started as a debate on Vietnam and then, by the end, they were now that's even like a big deal back, then it was probably like all my goodness. That's coming on every nightly news show yeah, you queer I'll suck you in the face and you'll stay plastered like that's almost like a rapper disk I'll suck. You in your face in your state plastic, a little bit a little bit, but the documentary fantastic I'm doing a check that out. It's really good yeah, give me the name when it's really reading it's the best of enemies. It's it's really

good, because it just shows you like the the and that they lived in it was just a different world and that ABC was so that I mean they were able to have this on national television and have debates on Paul. He's an on politics between to recognize intellectuals, one the right one of the left, and this is something that did on national television. It was a big success. You know for the longest time I was. I was anti debate and still to an extent today I feel like I'm anti debate, but the reason I am is because I feel like it's a w w e of intellectual pursuits where it's more have a show, and it's more about sophistry and it's more about being quick on your feet. Then who has the right arguments and I don't think that's good, but then the uh, argument is a now. I'm I'm warming up to this argument is that it's such a way to get people to watch and listen because when when you get really wonky and just have conversations with people, many people just kind of tune out to that, because it doesn't keep their attention. But what will their attention is a singer. So

If you know how to deliver zingers in a debate and you can get more people, auction agree with you that it's almost almost like a necessary evil to do it. So I did I'd like for the politican thing. I said: okay, you know what I will debate and I'll debate mostly because my Ians wants me to debate. I think my audience today talk across no no, no jack. You were today to talk a Carlson who you gonna do. I was going to debate and culture of that's right and culture pulled out. Okay in an and she had the nerve to go on good morning LA and say you know these liberals, they chickened out of debating me. So she just plainly lied. She backed out the debate with me, and then she goes on tv and says no and then she says her, though, is now that she's a troll, but here's her reasoning, here's her reasoning. It was so smug and so elitist she's, like oh any best sellers does he have bich. I don't write books. I don't want to guarantee that all right looks like the flock I guarantee.

I had way more listeners secular talk, listeners there, then she had an culture fans and let me tell you something: even I have people who are conservative in my own family and when they heard I was debating Ann Coulter. You know every single one of them said get that I don't like her people who greenway more with her than they do with me. Well, it's not really a Republican she's, a troll and she's a hack yeah. I don't. I don't think she even believes that she's saying you know, and one of the reasons why I say that is because the way Bill Maher Treats- or he laughs, jokes around with their true sure he's like there's a wink and a nod with her exactly it's uh huh. I think, she's an entertainer. I really true- and I remember back during the Bush years- nobody was more in favor of the Iraq war and thought it was the greatest thing ever and would you know, make fun of people who are against it and then, when Trump rose up through the republican ranks, and he was bashing the Iraq war which, by the way I loved it, He did that

and she went she hopped on the Trump train when all the other candidates on the stage we're not bashing the Iraq war. So she flipped on this major to the to find five years of her so called intellectual life, it's not real yeah. She doesn't even remember when she was talking about and skating, Canada, right can isn't the Canada not supporting us will invade there's something over Iraq. It was like he was something along. Those lines makes me remember what you're talking about something like this is pitch Ello minute. She said we need to invade one of these muslim countries and just forcibly convert everybody there right. I was one of the She said I remember that it is not a real man. Yeah see these in the fact that she still gets considered for debates, yeah pretty stunning I know this. Is she just disingenuous, so it would have been screaming at a wall basically, but the next time you it would have been wonderful

he says that he can corral that lady into taking the stage with you would be fantastic and run circles around there. I ended up debating Scottie Nell Hughes, who was big on tv during the twenty sixteen election, and she was a trump backer and now she's on Artie, and actually she ended up being very reasonable. I'd say we actually ended up agreeing on maybe sixty five percent of the issues and we had some some strong disagreements, but mostly agreeing- and it was very fruitful conversation, but I don't know if the audience liked it as much as they would have liked me: bashing, the altars and all the audience. I would like to more, but it's nice when those kind of conversations are people do agree on a lot of issues even regardless. Woodside they're, supposedly on, do take place because it makes people his people hope in the idea of reasonable discourse. So then you would of absolutely loved. I was on a panel with Charlie Kirk of two. Earning points you as saying that he's you know, because we can't sell anything at twelve years old, racist he's young he's not talk to these properties, my thirteen, no, no, no everything a little kid you're. Joking

I see is barely in your face. I'm there I'm a very literal dude. Sometimes stuff goes right over my head. But we're on hand as they sold girl scout cookies. Together that actually I heard they did so I was on a panel called. How are we going to get along? Charlie Kirk was, The panel is now going into it. I thought I'm not going to agree with this dude on absolutely anything. We got in there. What I did is I to frame issue news from what his ideology is, so he says, he's a conservative, so I said okay that me typically, you believe in smaller government. So Ok, here's some areas where I believe in smaller government. I think we need to stop the warrantless NSA spying were collecting everybody's information without their approval and without a warrant. I think we need to stop the drug war. I think we need to and our invasions of other countries, that takes a big government billions of dollars to do these invasions and rebuild countries and things of that nature, and I even said on the death penalty.

We should probably stop that, because about six percent of the time we get the wrong people and probably shouldn't be the case, and on virtual everyone of these issues. Charlie Kirk agreed with me even agree with me. On the issue of Saudi Arabia, where you know I said they it's something like we like law and order in the law and order. President is Donald Trump. I said if you really like law and order would be against the Trump Administration arming one hundred and ten billion dollars worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia and Charlie Kirk to his credit goes no. I agree with that, now the other guy on the panel was an absolute pack he's a I will want to be, I don't know his actual I don't even know his name, but he it was clear, like doing an act and he's a daily wire. Third stringer, like he's Ben Shapiro's thing, but he's a low level guide and his I swear. I swear to you, Joe was talking about how I'm very proud. Life and I need you to know that I'm very pro life- and this is something I support. My response to him was well I'm glad to know that you're against the death penalty, an immediately without skipping a beat. He goes, I'm for the death penalty,

an audience laughs and I go well if you're going to walk right into my trap every time this is going to be very easy to pay now, isn't it I'm with my little. When was the last. I heard asking you that I didn't even know that dude I haven't heard a peep out of him. No, he, I think his whole thing imploded, because there was an article that came out and they have like correspondence between him and literal like actual alt right people, where they were kind of doing puff pieces for them. That was my under the other any kind of disappeared after that and temporarily he was he was with Alex Jones. If you chose Alex Alex Jones was last, I saw puff pieces, yeah like trying to make it seem like they aren't what they actually are a huge Richard Spencer and they were singing together and it was weird yeah he's a weird character: I said, he's a he's, definitely weird character, but I uh

we enjoyed talking with him off the air, and I felt like there's a lot of what he is the theatrics sure, and you know it's hard to tell you know it's hard to tell because it's hard to tell like how much of a how much of what you think is the out, is them being theatrical in the on their on air and how much theatrical when they're talking to you and trying to be you know, endearing off air yeah. When I heard it it is hard to tell, but Sometimes you can see it when there are people who kind of get involved in this political space it's really all they want to do- is just become famous yes, and it's like you should do that shouldn't be the point you should really get in on this political thing is actually a really instant politics right. I mean that's really what comes out to with that's you yeah, because I'm a nerd, that's where I didn't expect my thing to ever. Get the honestly when I first started. I really thought maybe in my wildest dreams, I'll get to a hundred thousand subscribers on Youtube and, as I talk

right now we're almost about to cross six hundred thousand, so I never expected any of this. I never expected any of this and the fact that it happened grateful for it, while you're intelligent guy with very reasonable points, you deserve all the credit that you've gotten, but You are also honest like these. Are your actual opinions, and this is your actual perspective. The real with someone again colder or someone like many of these other people that I see out there that you we don't have to name. Is it their hustlers they found in in? you know, there's an in for a certain type of conservative person, there's an in for a certain type of democratic persons and in four so I mean there's pro women, people that don't give a fuck about women shared absolutely. You know: they're supposed feminists feminist, when they're just narcissist there's a lot of that out there Mens rights activists, it really only care about finding this way into a group of people where, if you have their support, there's this

a large conglomeration of them and you can sort of take them in as your fans do you have seen it do you feel like that died down. A bit. The men's rights activist thing, yeah yeah, I feel like they were maybe three years ago, was very big in the hours I have April about it. Yeah you've got a lot of right from them right. What? What should the help having them? be upset at me. I don't give a fuck, but my bit was Every men's rights activists ever managed want grab and go dude. We got mall shut, the we run everything, sir almost everyday? The whole idea is it not that I don't think men should have rights, but it's just we've got him yeah and that he thought the my thing in the bit was what, if we miss our pay attention, the this man actually did? These are going hey. We just realized you guys, because all the war, every single war ever and I'll, give you massive women, because all the war yeah well, we we gonna, kill these crazy. All they want to do is go to war. This was in your most recent yeah right, yeah, that's great, and they will do well thought out. There was some.

Of them were upset at me, but, like that's a pretty bulletproof argument like the the only men's rights argument, this legitimate is divorce, laws, sure and when it comes to alimony and when it comes to child support it comes to child custody yeah. They are medically totally rude that they are meant to get over, and I know guys that have gotten over in that regard. But in you know what court it's tend to side towards the mother, and even if the mother, deceptive and if the here is, you know, they'll say something like he beats the kids or I think he might have done something sexual to the kids yeah. These women have done horrible, is like that and they've done that to get more money or they've done that to get custody of they've done that just for spite, but this is just this is a matter of the being designed to protect the situation, is system being designed to protect kids and protect the mother who needs to get money to be able to

we care that children 'cause there's a lot of fuckin' shity deadbeat dads. Now, if there were no deadbeat dads, if men always paid child support, then this would be far less of an issue the issue, the reason why women can exploit it is so many men were pieces of shit sure it created This need, for is some sort of. I'm sort of laws that set something something that said to protect children and to protect women with with that get custody. Yeah and now it looks like the device with the do, issue and everything the pendulum swung a little too far in the other direction, and there's like this default setting which is actually not too good for the guy now. I know that you're talking about too 'cause. I saw that podcast along time ago. I think it was one of the people you work with on news, radio or something that's just one of them. That's just one of 'em. I know many people that have been fucked over by divorce button and look. I have a good friend of mine who I've talked about it on the podcast before he has been divorced for

teen years he has been married to a new woman for twelve years. He still pays alimony Not only does he still pay alimony, he pays alimony to tone of more than one hundred thousand dollars a year to a woman that he then have sex with, so he can retire. He cannot retire. This woman has a boyfriend. She Who is in his hold house, my friends old house, she, the house, and they don't have any children. This is the idea that He fucked her so hard. She can't work again like she's, not eighty years old man I mean she's now in her 50s, that's almost I in entered servitude, it's, but you have to give me a hundred thousand dollar life he's giving well it's it's taper down to, like I say, it's now a one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, but if one he was paying a quarter million dollars a year and he's paid or that for twelve or fourteen fucking years now, fourteen years he's been married to a new woman for twelve here's, a family.

Is a family NASA send money to this lady who doesn't talk to anymore, like she can't move on with her life and if he doesn't, he gets locked up if he doesn't go to jail I mean this is any trying to go to court and she fights it and she lives with her a friend and when they send people over to check the boyfriend, puts his stuff in the fucking. U haul drives around the block weights and then comes back to what, if, let's say, let's, let's say he loses his job and he can't find another job for whatever reason and he's he's locked. He just always the money, no matter what and there's no do you like? You can go back from record, they can read the you know, take it down or whatever. No that's a good question I mean you'd have to go to court. The judge would have to agree, but he's a successful man. That's part of the problem is he's not going to be a live he's an ambitious guy does really well. He works very hard. He works ten twelve hours every day and he as forever and he's good he's smart he's good at his job and because this he has to pay this woman doesn't fuck anymore forever

crazy man. It's amazing, it's a nightmare, but here's the thing it's like she's, not she's, not like she's, not in uh a hospital bed. It's not she can't work. It's like she's she's Only capable of taking a living? And she now has probably four or five plastic surgery she's the person we were talking about earlier? I don't know I mean I don't even know me. Maybe she went she has to go on a route. Maybe she went the opposite. I don't know, but the idea that my friend has to pay air and every now and then you know we'll we'll we'll talk about him like you still have to pay her, his co, hello. My goodness he's I mean he's, got a family he's, got a wife any have such as children with his new woman and he's happy, and he still has to pay. What is that? two thousand dollars a week. Two thousand plus a week is just an absolute nightmare,

I guess this is somewhat related to what we're talking about here, but what did you make of the Kavanaugh thing um? This is my I mean. I've spent a lot of time over the last week. Paying attention to it Oh really, this happened a little longer than just popped up on it for a while, I was like this guy is gross. This is gross. I don't want to go away when the main thing was happening. This were paying attention to it, but over the last, We have paid a lot of attention to it and here's my take on it one of one. It got me was well one of the things. That means it seems like most of his most of his life in his young life that guy was fuckedup drinking a lot? Did you see it read the did you see yeah, yeah and all the stuff about, like and the calendar like he had- calendar and went where is like things were scheduled like beers, were scheduled writers

very bizarre, that's very busy and you showed, like frat boy douche, like all the stuff he said was very clicky and he also lied. You know endlessly yeah, Does. That alone is all I need to know. He said he said roofing is farting and boofing of course means pocket. Yeah. Everybody knows that. That's nonsense, so he's a liar so and then he perjured himself and saying that he did INC by the way the Democrats didn't even mention perjury they just to lay down they just kind of down. My whole thing was, I think it was a gross, Technical, and I honestly I thought that even the hearings happening I felt like it a little bit of a clown show because it's like here we are the most powerful organization, the most powerful body. This government United States government we're having this hearing and we're talking about Dre that happened in the 1980s it just struck. Me is so silly silly At the same time, the thing that you know I was screaming about an I might may have literally been the only person in the country screaming about this stuff. I actually went

Kavanaugh's judicial record with a fine tooth comb, and I disagree with him on basically every decision ever made and that's not an exaggeration for warrantless NSA spying. He rules with corporation eighty seven percent of the time he said that all of Obamacare is unconstitutional. He ruled that the EPA cannot regulate house gas emissions. He even goes as far as to say, Donald Trump, might be able to pardon himself. So- and that's I mean that's like is one of the reasons why they think the dawn troubles getting him in the first place, but that's a good thing, but that's like the social part of the Patriot ACT. Yes, yes, that's like the end of modern civilization type ship, because you can't have somebody above rule of law. It's like a dictator, emperor, that's craziness, so the drove of me. Crazy, Joe, is that here you have all those important issues? Did you you're a single democratic poll bring that up in the conversations

all about the accusations. It was all about the act now, I'm not saying you can't bring up the accusations at all. I think you can bring it up, especially because some of them- but you know, seem to have decent man, evidence on their side and seem very measured in reasonable in their comments. You can bring it up, but it just annoyed me that there wasn't like a two pronged g in trying to defeat, and why do you think that is because the Democrats sock Joe they suck Is it just a socket and a sock in the end, they don't use any pressure to not bring up those issues. No well, I guess maybe a little bit but Chuck Schumer, for example, cut a deal with Donald Trump just recently, and he let him approve like forget the exact number. You guys can fact check me on this six or ten different job of trump judges. He cut a deal to approve them, so the Democrats can go back home and campaign for the upcoming election, but it's like a Duche bag. The reason why you guys- struggling elections is because you don't stand for anything. So those people wanted you to fight on those judges, because you're not supposed to agree with those judges, because that's the God Dam Opposition party, yeah

yeah. I don't understand why they wouldn't bring up all those issues that you talked about before here. Is it down there? I'll fifty see I even close to home nations of fifteen trump judges, look bad yeah and see this is my problem with them is that you could give them an issue like take legalizing marijuana in exchange. Dems facing reelection can go home. Camp Gan. How ridiculous- and this is what the Democrats do Joe is like we were talking earlier about marijuana. Sixty two percent of the country now wants legal marijuana. The only democratic politician talking about it is Bernie Sanders Maybe a handful of others and if they ran on these issues- and I can name one thousand others like raising minimum wage, ending the wars if they're on those who did, but they just don't, do it yeah. Well, I agree with you that take on all those issues are pretty yeah, but it all those things disturb me what hear me most about what they were talking about, Inter of his youth wasn't that he did bad things in his youth

he said, he's lying about them now, yeah yeah, if he said, look when I was seventeen years old, I was stupid like many seventeen year olds and I drank, but I never raped anybody. Did stupid things, and maybe I acted insensitively and maybe I said some things that I should have said because I was a fool. I am not a fool anymore, and now I'm a judge, and now I think I would make a great Supreme Court justice if he could say that, but he didn't get angry and like the I like It's a video of him saying I like beer. Yeah you like it he's asking a senator. Do you like it? Do you like it? I like it like what is that fuckin' mean you were talking about you as a teenager when it's illegal to drink you stupid fucking. You also did a little sleight of hand there and said most of the seniors at the time could legally drink yeah. Why do you most of the seniors. We're not talking about. Most of the seniors were talking about you. He wasn't legally allowed to drink time, but you're right, you got it exactly right. The problem was the lies department. He could have

exactly what you laid out there, but he didn't do it, which again speaks to his credibility and it's kind of funny that the one woman, if he did do that to her the one woman who turns out to be a professor it is hugely progressive. Super liberal university who it's almost dominantly women like if you how many women are professors at the university and how many women's? I think, it's something like seventy nine percent of the women are seventy. Ninety percent of the students are women at that university and in some large number of the professors are women as well yeah. Well, at least one of the allegations were bulshit against him. Yes, you know who was right: Michael Avenatti, that Anti trump grifter who just won get his fucking name in the media he presented some woman and there's one thousand holes in her story, but this asshole he wants to get his name in the spotlight. He adds on to the other accusations and some of the other additions do have merit and he blows up

cool things and other Republicans could turn around and get that look. What we got here, bulshit examples it's all bullshit He did Al Sharpton. I is just come back and by the way he was just a political on where I was yeah and he's at listen. He came out of no, where He came out of nowhere and now he's talking about running for president who the fuck are you I saw someone say that they think he would be great yeah. Well, whoever said that's a fucking idiot well Bill market, I used to like him, but he's gotten progressively worse and worse, nope, intended on using the word progress. I think it was him on SAM Harris is shown thinking about it. Now. I think it was him talking about. His argument was oh 'cause. I want a Democrat with balls and have a naughty has balls yeah. But the problem is avanade. Is a piece of shit grifter he's going to make a presidential run, apparently an extra. They just posted this. And why is the fucking mainstream media allowing

this guy they're letting they're giving him free airtime Joe well. This is the problem with the media. Why aren't you giving serious people free airtime why'd? You given fuckin' economists or professors? Who are sports and social policy. No something some air. This guys, obviously a grifter well the giving him the air time, because people are going to pay attention to the idea that he's going to run for president, because he was representing stormy, Daniels and Stormy Daniels Fuct. The present and this whole big fucking clown car circus event? Is it's something that people tune into? It's basically an episode of keeping up with the Kardashians the press. Initial issue, and imagine that your guy, like hey, who are you I got famous because I represented Stormy Daniels yeah. Like what are genius. You are good gal and she she the guy. Now she wants money. The fact that that's like

stormy Daniels has been in the news more than the genocide in Yemen, which our weapons are being used to carry it out with. I saw up meme, it's it's stormy Daniels is now going back to porn because Trump makes America work again, that's actually true by the way she's going to strip clubs and stuff well, I know she's been going to Strip Club, so she got arrested. That was fuckedup. She got there were these police officers who were super pro trump and they went to one or Strip club events and they just arrested her these days. Joe said she did something that was it yeah. Ms Marshall Plan, I'm no stormy Daniels fan, but you don't just get that so that was a political rest. It was just a up thing. The whole thing is so gross I went down in the rabbit hole on recently Mgk is Eminem. Have you seen? this Mgk okay, I was in the exact same boat as you like three weeks ago: okay, Jamie shark sightings a no no, no black, to enter now? Okay, so

so Eminem. Everybody knows legendary rapper, one of the best rappers of all time, broadly considered that he did now the more I guess he mentioned Mgk, because Mgk was another rapper years ago, had tweeted something about Gun Kelly, going Kelly. What U m g K and me bro his name was, I don't know I'm not trying to be cool. Well, I thought that his name was. I did see that yeah. So did you see the cat videos where they went back into a terrible both of 'em. Both sides kill themselves got sucked into a vortex was watching all the commentary on it here at it. No, it was, but I was fascinated by people's taking it takes on it. People were saying ode, Eminem murdered him and I listened to it was like this is terrible. Well terrorists kill, shot terrible or was able terrible. They terrible sun rose he's, not a rap guy, so this doesn't, I do like rap and I'm only marginally around like rag. Yes, I I listen to a lot of rat okay. I just felt like it was just where I like the Mgk song, the like the beat okay. It was a good beat. Congratulations!

but he like ruined his career as a result of it calm mind. No, they look at the like to dislike on you tube, like fifty percent this. What do you pay attention that up by death? Why told you just want to avoid sex of it? You can't pay attention that that that that's not represented, whether not the guy's a career. I bet it boosted his part. Not I mean that was the argument. People said. Maybe he did it because, even though he's this photos sort of what ended it, he posted there saying, like I win sort of with this large now behind them, but he didn't tell them that he was wearing a shirt or he's opening for fall out. Boy in this is yeah fallout. Boys crowd yeah, all of them. He took off his jacket. The last second sitter, when turnaround for picture in in any of food after this by the entire crowd. How do you know your boot? There's video of it, but the black one of the booing videos was fake. I do remember that. I don't know if it was this one, but I do know that he had a hoodie on or something and he took it off before this picture, so they didn't know that he had that shirt on, which is the cover of Eminem's, album and you're right. It was fallout, boys crowd,

it's kind of a weird you know move of this guy to do uh sleeping radios Joe, doesn't care about the rap game as you want it's not that I don't care about the rap game. It's a this. Is these distracts our soul, laying the that it took the distracts. Get me interested again. That's what to give me a just 'cause, I remember back, was fifty cent versus Jada kiss and I fucking loved it. But when I was a kid, I thought in love that kids rap was one of the best. I thought I was the best battle rap I've ever heard Jay Z versus Non? So that's a classic, that's a classic, and that did nothing. Help both of them right. Should help NAS more than help Jay Z. Do anything. No Jay Z versus NAS, help Jay Z, black twitter, the next part of the deal. I love the it's great. You come back and tell you who's dating who you got it. They were on twitter and all the means,

They run twitter. What is twenty five percent of twitter memes and everything is coming out of black twitter. Twenty five: did you do the math? It's no, in fact broken like bro, I didn't put it out of my ass. Speaking of, social media. Have you seen all these purges recently there's a new round of it. That just happened. No, who got perch, eight hundred or eight hundred or more accounts, were purged from Facebook and twitter and they're all Almost all alternative media accounts So some of the sites are snowflakes was one I think on Facebook, there's no one called anti media that was purged anti war media saying free thought project is another one. I do this and there was a cop watch leased the police yeah. I was one of them that we don't so base and what they're saying is such a bullshit argue. They said. The reason we pull this is because it's inauthentic behavior or pulling these accounts because there's inauthentic behavior on those accounts. What does that mean? I don't know, that's the point and they never clarified so well.

Means hey these. Are you know these? Are terms of media outlets and we wanna get rid of them, so we're gonna get rid of him because Facebook, I know I met with the israeli government and Israel. Told them hey, listen if you're going to be in our country, you're going to get rid of certain accounts in Facebook when right, long and said sure we'll do that now. I think China with Google right, but now I think, they're doing that in the US now I think there. Yes, I think, they're working who's with the US government, and so you have all these alternative media accounts are specifically, you know, anti war. What have you anti corruption? Some of these are okay and again perched. No, the argument in authentic behaviors. That was one of the reasons they cited as to why they are is in authentic behavior. Does that mean that they're talking about instances that they're misrepresenting, I know, I think it means more like box? That's how I interpret- and it's like you know, you're posting in and you're directing people to your own. You know stuff and but everybody does- that on Facebook and twitter. Is it possible that that's

that was going on. I don't know I'm just asking: is it possible? They were using bots and perhaps thing them towards revenue, creating sites or my whole thing is why shouldn't be allowed? Well now, I'm not. And it shouldn't be allowed, but is it possible they were using stories that were taking place in the news, distorting those stories to get people to click on things that would have links to ways that These people can make money so, instead of it being some sort of political, activism website, it really was just a revenue generating bullshit site that was trying to drum up artificial outrage. I think I think for some of them it's certainly possible, but certainly not much, certainly not for the freethought project. What is it free thought project? It's another one of these. I think they describe themselves as like an anti establishment or anti corruption thing where they cover all these stories related to government corruption, kind of like a wiki type thing, except they don't do. The Wikileaks does more of the original reporting stuff and they'll just cover it after

and how many Facebook deleted them facebook, I think I read them I think there was an article in the guardian Jamie if you're interested in pulling it up it. Some Facebook and twitter purge it was a hundred site yeah you makes it was like. I think it was mostly on Facebook, like six hundred or so on, Facebook in two hundred or so on, Twitter, that they did and a lot of them were like one of the accounts had over three million people who liked it now the freethought project, what has the response been to this? I don't know I don't know. I only saw the original article. I haven't seen anything after it. You know this is question that I was having with already the other day we were talking here. It is first they came for Alex Jones. We told you you were next where we were next week, This is on their website, but they did over the guardian in some other outlets in case anybody is thinking that this is BS yeah It is a scary time because you see that this can impact. You know. Really anybody who's, not towing? The line? If you will like it,

police, the police, are we really going to like? Do we really think that they, all that down, not for the obvious, reason, which is that your selling discord and the police don't like it as part of its purge? Facebook has removed the pages of several police accountability, watchdog critic groups, including cop block the freethought project in police, the police they've. Also so apparently severely restricted. The activity for the photography is not a crime, page huh. So do you think there pressure from law enforcement. I don't I don't know, but I never usually believe in smoke filled backroom conspiracies, but they are starting to get hard to avoid, because there's so many of these things, then, Here's. What we need to do this and Does this poem and again says first again for Alex Jones Infowars, but I wasn't race, baiting transfer with Percy cultists, who claims murder children Newtown? Where are hoaxes and mid?

in court that I'm just an entertainer who makes it up. So I said nothing yet he's trying to be flipping about how Alex Jones was pulled. The problem was once you bought into the principle of Alex Jones being pulled. Well, then, what you're saying is people who are executives companies can Willy nilly decide whoever they pull down now. My answer that has always been. We should take Twitter Facebook these giant social media pages? They can still be private companies, but we should regulate them like their public utilities. Yeah, that's the argument and are a are in our discount hundred print. That's the only answer, because you need to default to free speech now that I'm not saying if somebody's docking somebody or somebody's directly threatening somebody and stuff like that there should be a process that or you can ameliorate that and do it quickly. But having said that, you'd, like people get manned the ACLU used to defend the KKK, this course. So what are you brought up yeah and they said hey in Skokie. They said: hey, listen, we know what we don't agree with these people. We think their heinous. We think they're terrible. We think they're dead wrong, but they have a right to say what they're saying, because once you get rid of it for them

What people don't realize Joe is that these things will always come back against people who are. Powerless and marginalized it's not like when you censor, everybody gets together and we all go. Ok, so it's just the Nazis right. Yes, it's just the Nazis, no first of all who's, running these. You know these organizations, obviously they have there opinions and their own vested interests and their own power. Dynamic issues and they're going to take down whoever threatens their power now are these? Are all these organizations still up on Youtube and Twitter and Google? I don't know it to my knowledge, the only one that totally got pulled out everywhere, I think, was Alex Jones. He still has his own website here. It says all the proving the case. This was a. Coordinated attack by tech giant community shortly after the purge on Facebook, Twitter follow suit, wiping out our profiles on there as well. They give absolutely no reason for the suspension, so we had close to free thought umbrella had to six million followers. Wow! Isn't that

and they just decided overnight. What's crazy is I didn't even hear about things? Well, that's why I'm here yeah, I appreciate you, I mean I. I heard that it was eight hundred different pages, but the I'd read it and I unfortunately don't have a. Time- and I was flipping through something I had that it was a lot of anti police pages, some of the more anti police, but I think a lot of them were not a lot of them were anti establishment. Anti corruption like they've, always had it out for a week. You weeks, for example, yeah weekly, says all I mean you've had it MIKE Pompeii one of the the top top administration officials who says they're like a non state terrorist actor. Think about that! That's, not That is pretty, because basically, what they do is what reporter is implemented. Yes, reporters should say: hey here's, what the bad guys, here's, where the people government are doing in this is the stuff that they're keeping secret, that they shouldn't keep secret and all government goes all. That's terrorism now

twitter or one of these people, one of these organizations bands something like the free thought project. Do they make any statements they just remove them. All I saw was on the guardian article ' on the guardian. They said it was an authentic behavior was the reason why they're pulling up, and maybe one or two other things that I'm forgetting at the moment and he's a weird statement. I know authentic behavior, yeah yeah, it's up man, because they could just do it. Anybody, that's point and that's what's so scary. Well, that is with scary right is that there are there. Are private companies These people are allowed to post on them until they decide they're not allowed to post on it because they violate their terms of service. But when your terms of service are that open ended, inauthentic behavior like what the fuck does that even so they just they leave the terms of service purposefully, vague

so that they can get away with knocking off wherever they want to knockout. It's just weird that they all agreed that Facebook agreed and Twitter agreed like what would be the incentive of twitter follow suit, would be the incentive Smallville backroom. What do you say? I don't know given to if you had to speculate okay, what do you think would be given to them that would give them the incentive to want to pull a site from the guys thank your c guy seems pretty socially progressive. I think they are meeting just like what We know they did this with Israel, where they pulled down pro palestinian human rights pages to allow Facebook to function in their country. They said you have to do x, Y Z. I think that there are meetings with. I don't know exactly who it is our intelligence agencies lawn enforced. FBI. I don't know somebody like that. Maybe ceos of various corporations where they hey man! Listen! These people are problem, people are problem. These people are problem. Let's do the right thing here I would like. Here, contrary argument, Well I don't mind I would like to know merely. I would like to know like what is the

what is the contrary argument. Is there anything that we're missing? If we want, we could try to find the guardian article and read what they said. What Twitter said why Twitter and Facebook see if you could find that yeah the guardian article so I'm coming up I pulled it off the internet guardian, what it? What was the headline? I searched it and went on news and like there was no articles from by the way, the only two dump, the only two things I found the only two things I found it on RT and the guardian and nothing else, which is why you didn't hear about it. Because mainstream media didn't talk about it because guess what these outlets, often our competition in mainstream media. What the fuck man that is this the Alex Jones Thing, is really like a test run almost pretty much, I'm searching on their website from the guardian website. We thought project. Okay, using Google to do it and the top article is something for for about food and twenty thirteen, okay Walt when we

I'll, do a search and we could see if we can find a statement yeah, but when we get our fair is not help at all those people wells notice right now they still only to find they saw the article from the free thought check it out says the same information we just don't have the exact statement from Twitter and Facebook on it. That's the only thing I see if you can use Google statement from Twitter regard and was involve the free thought I was in the article they just threw it in the middle of the article it so I was like Facebook and twitter purges accounts, for I don't know if it's a an often to be here in the title, but it was an article somewhere. So you really think that there's some sort of smokey backroom deals where they say listen, do you guys are tons of money. We've got have an issue here. Let's work through this. This is what we want removed. These people are causing us a bunch of problems. I don't know, but I

I do know they did that in Israel? I do know they do that in all these countries, where the government say hey in order to function here, you have to do x, Y Z right. So why? Wouldn't they do that in the? U S: mmhm! That's what I would say to that: what groups would want the free thought, project or police the police? remove. Well, you gotta remember a lot of these, so the police, accountability groups. I mean it's pretty easy law enforcement. Would want them removed, but do you think law enforcement has that kind of pull to go to twitter and say not, like the you know, whatever the police department in Toledo, but if the FBI may be sure or the CIA, or whoever major law enforcement center, a law enforcement. The thing that people kept going to with Alex Jones was Sandyhook Sandyhook. He said she. You didn't get it filled. You don't have to defend Alex Jones on the merits of that point, because he's dead wrong on that point, my understanding is the principle of letting somebody speak. I understand someone's What I'm saying is there's no thing is going to on this. So it's like

already been precedent, set. They could just remove people so they remove him. They got this really comes. It got sloppy yeah. Well, it got more clan this time because there's no there's no big smoking guns is nothing. It's just awesome. They yanked yep, that's right and again no major mainstream media outlet in the. U S reported on it. Rt is Russia. Today James got some hacked article. Okay, this Search of all media by Facebook is thus pushing back just the beginning, since ship inside? They may cite the guardian article in this article I was looking located. Does this is more about 'cause. I saw this article when I did quote that came out it's a sad pushing back today from today. This is from today, okay, I saw a different RT article on the same scroll down to make that a little bigger, please so that so people are starting to catch on to it. Scott Bob Scroll left. So we could see the area the latest apparent of an

parents, censorship of political speech online us based tech giants this month, shut down hundreds of user account. Some belong to well established alternative media outlets with hundreds of thousands of followers like the free thought project or anti media senior, fellow german Marshall Fund, a leading think tank advocating as global supremacy, seems to have at least partially taken credit for this says in quotes. Should China and other foreign states take advantage of our open political system. Jamie fly said they can invent stories, It got repeated and spread through different sites, so we are just starting to push back just this last week, Facebook began began starting to take found sites? So this is just the beginning. Ok So what they're saying is that these websites have been infiltrated. By people from China and Russia is over there saying but scroll back up again, please

It said China and other foreign states take advantage of our open political system, rush, China and other ones. So that is that is somebody from the german Marshall Fund, a Lansing tank, advocating? U S interests, saying that, because we're source of Russia, russian Chinese, russian, and infiltration. That's why we got a pull down, some of the words they're saying hey. Maybe these accounts, like the free thought project are run by people, are trying to to destroy America exam. We have to pull them down exactly and says up beyond a preposterous argument. This is they're, saying they're saying they can invent stories. They get repeated and spread through diff site so we're just starting to push back just this last week, Facebook again started takedown sites. This is just the beginning, so they're blaming the influence of Russia and China and that there saying that this is their excuse for taking down these pages, because these pages are being compromised by foreign agents. It's what is trick in the book to say? Oh, these foreign entities are sowing discord in the United States. So therefore we are not going to allow this dialogue to happen. In fact, I remember they blame

Russia for black lives matter, Facebook pages, in the twenty sixteen election what's up about this is it's not even in the smoking gun. There's only there's one there's no evidence, they just say it right: they're, not poor, but they're, not even pointing to a specific example. Yeah. That's right any example: yes, you're correct, screw, all see if there's anything in this, that makes any sense, according to the account fly, saying that any person with an email could set up an account on social media and potentially reach wide audience. You predicting about long global struggle to fix the situation. Jesus christ- oh great, He started his career as a US political circles as an adviser to George W Bush administration. All else always trust those people right also with foreign policy and national security consultant for this Senator Marco Rubio and be geniuses who should regulate the internet right these guys,

about everything reliably well. This is the thing if you could just say. The Russians have influenced this? The Russians are apart. This? The Chinese? Okay, pull it. It's Itzhak and it's partisan and it actually works on for on the left and the right. Sometimes it works on corporate democrats and people who want to blame Hillary's election laws on the Russians, and it works like that played that, let's him talk long 'cause, me a little bit of it. Can I jump go to the bathroom?

yeah yeah, ok I'll, be right, back principles, values as one of our greatest strengths and therefore one of the best ways to weaken us. So I think that that's one of the key things to understand here is Putin's acting actually out of weakness, and why have we Jamie not come to understand- or at least the consciousness in this country does not necessarily view Putin aligned with other strong men figures. This has been a long running problem in american foreign policy. This is not just a problem that started with President Donald Trump. I served in the Bush administration. President George W Bush tried to form a relationship with Ladimir Putin to get certain

things to advance USA, national Security, President Obama tried the same thing with his reset of russian US russian relations. So it's not unusual that you have an administration that maybe doesn't necessarily view Russia as the threat that it is. I think, the politics of this, the public opinion right now. It's very interesting because you've actually seen a shift over the last several years. More Democrats now, actually, I think, actually view Russia and Putin as a threat compared to those who were stop. There's a cop, toy? It just leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Is that the idea that these people, are just deciding to remove pages, and there going on isn't giving these interviews saying that it's is a russian Putin without any evidence, so creepy didn't share the evidence. You got to say something man I mean if you want to believe,

I believe in a free society and you believe in freedom of speech and freedom of expression, and censorship. Censor people are bro. I what's going on here, a fix. I would only go with that. Man may be that what happened? Nothing, something along date. They don't have a fix for the for the way that it's happening. So if you show the evidence than your regularly like selling the criminals out of how to do this, and I could just run room more ramp and they got a plug more holes. So that would be the devil's advocate position, but you, in order to take people down. The thing is, if they're doing it and no one's pushing back you're just going to be able to do it with any he disagrees with you or anybody, that's going to be an impediment to your political campaign or anyone's getting away of anything you're trying to push through, and this is this is a giant issue with people that have that kind of power that can influence Facebook or twitter, and, if that's the case and look we don't know we haven't talked to Zuckerberg. We haven't talked to Jack Dorsey. We don't know who's who's, pulling string,

who's, asking them to do things or what evidence they presented to them, but that's just very uncomfortable. It's very uncomfortable see that guy talking and bringing up Russia and Putin, because people bring them up like to the Boogie man. You know that this is what's of the brush and put their there they're interviewing with our democracy, interfering with our issues here in America, and it will ruin the Mokra C and bring our country down from the inside yeah. It was like the internet went through a phase of like totally free and open wild wild West type thing, and now it looks like you're trying to reel it back in and it's like. That's the view to the public square it's supposed to be that these social media outlets, which are so gigantic and so powerful that this is now the public square. So to be able to censor people in these. These forums should be considered unconstitutional, coordinated, inauthentic, behavior We found it. You found art and spamming hum, but again, the like the website

they actually pulled down that told totally destroys their argument, even if you buy into the premise that these are. This is a good reason to pull somebody down. I mean some of the people, the just pulled down were so well established, and there are, of course, not authentic in anyway, it's people who are running these pages- that really deeply care about these issues and want to get this news out to people Fark this. A good quote here, drawing the line between real and in authentic views is a difficult enterprise that could put everything from impartial political parity to Jan you, wind, but outlandish views on the chopping block is on the way through you. There are politicians, this happened during the debate between TED Cruz and Beto O'Rourke, all at the exact same time with the exact same hashtags, there were pro take crews, things tweeted out at once. So what that is there bots that they bought to help

Crews win the election, that's election interference, that's an authentic behavior and nobody is talking about pulling down those accounts. Look at it was as here in a statement posted online newsroom. Facebook says it purge those pages because their owners were using fake. You can sounds sharing the same content between multiple pages and linking to ad supported websites. It calls add farms. So what that doesn't, even if there's not even a controversial, but this is where it gets interesting. It says, but the social network call spam. The owners of these pages call standard procedures for operating on Facebook yeah. That was like. I don't even think if the argument Facebook is correct that that really is a reason to pull them down. We could says here nearly the page owners contacted by the guardian say they use backup or fake accounts. Along with the real ones. They do it in part to protect themselves being targeted by political opponents.

Having the real accounts end up in Facebook. Jail press, a left, leaning news site whose facebook page disappear yesterday. So this is on the left and the right there. Censoring people because got snowflakes on the right there's another one right wing news that was pulled down stops growing, please, but but look at this This is really interesting there, so there heading to disingenuous behavior, though they're using fake accounts to protect themselves or being targeted by political opponents. Well, but that's if that's the case, they are violating Facebook policy. So I've seen this on Twitter. I know people who have gotten their accounts banned on twitter, but they create a new account and they stay on Twitter and that's technically a violation of terms of service, but it also is something that I don't think is religious at all right, but there's a big difference between someone getting banned and then starting a fake. A second account. This is not that they're using multiple accounts at the

in time- and some of them are fake, look I'm not I'm not justifying their being banned, but I am saying that they violated and procedures, and they did so in order to public. Size, their ideas and they did to try to make their ideas more. You sell just more per project them more have have more more band with, but a ring to Facebook, should you not be allowed to have like three or four accounts? Were you not to eat the same stuff for or post the same stuff, because his wings like spokes, said that what Facebook said, if you scroll back up to the beginning, scroll back up the beginning, please the top the top top see but it says a coordinated, inauthentic, behavior and spamming, so they were spamming and that does like coordinated, inauthentic behavior if they have a bunch of alternative fake sites and fake pages that they're using to spread their stuff. Look, I'm not saying that they should have been this is, I think, better, would be to

hey? You can't do that. You got to remove these fake pages. That are publicizing your ideas and just if you're real authentic page, but what they're saying is that they're leaking to add farms and that they use this to publicize their pages and that everybody? does it show that everybody does it you're not supposed to do it. So why didn't they pulled out. So let's say the freethought project had three or four other things where they were posting the same stuff under a different name. Why would you not pull down the three or four other things and leave up the freethought project? I think they're, saying 'cause. The freethought project violated their terms of service. You not supposed to do that and they don't want them to do that. I don't know so here's the thing would they have pulled the freethought project,

down, if they had to engage in any of these forbidden behaviors, all my opinion is, I think, yes, maybe that's what I think may be, but that is gross you're not supposed to do that and I'm not saying that they they should be pulled, they shouldn't be pulled, but maybe they thought this is. What they have to do get the word out, and maybe Facebook is like: hey you fucks or spamming, and your your lip Ng to these ads farms, n e, these ads farms have been known to you, know be influenced by Russia and China and all these other organizations you're doing it. Just to remote your sights, but we're saying that we can't allow that kind of behavior it just try. He is very strange that when you have examples like the one I just gave where you in the Cruz Beto to mate. They all tweeted this same thing. At the same time, it was obviously paid for by some right wing. Think tank. You never hear the story of something like that. If it's benefiting you as politician or some

like when Mitt Romney bought like a million fake followers on twitter in the twenty twelve election, you never hear about hey we targeted that it's always like. Oh just happens to be these independent alternative media outlets. There spreading spreading information that the government doesn't want people to know. Well, it could be that these people are saying: hey, look everybody. Does this we're going to do this and they're saying we don't like them there all in look? them doing something. We we don't allow yeah. You look at. What's we bump, but does well civil Is it possible that they wouldn't have been removed if they hadn't done this ship? That not supposed to do it's possible, but I don't think it's likely. I don't know, though, because here's the thing like if it's only people who've engaged in these forbidden behaviors that get removed? Facebook has a very good argument, but if face book is saying this, but then people removed who straight above board, doing everything. The right way just have their own page posted information on their own page and they were never removed, but these are all

political and alternative media, which is interesting. There were targeted, yes right, so they're targeted, but in the targeting them. They found a bunch of shit that you're not supposed to do and that's what got them removed. I think that there is a good argument that could make, which is very much a nuanced troll terms of service argument, but I think it's more of a veneer, a facade than the real heart of why they did what but again sure my opinion, I'm not stating that as a fact I agree with you, I mean surely what they should have. Especially given the popularity sites is, warn them and say: hey you've got to stay doing this, because if you don't, we are going to remove you, you are violating our terms of service you're linking to add farms and you have posted from multiple fake accounts, stop doing that. Just use your one authentic account. We support free speech, that's what we would both like right, yeah, sure, yeah I mean could be also that they feel like the right wing sites. Do this we have to do this to this is how people do

in twenty eighteen is how you really get the word out. True yeah, you know I just found it saying that it was all. Turned to me and yeah click counts and right, your left. It was just to do it. The main thing that seems to be the connecting tissue through it all was relatively anti establishment right. It's gross. It is gross man Have you been following what's happening with IRAN at all? no, I have not there's a little bit of ramping up of tensions now. So, of course, we pulled the IRAN deal the nuclear deal. I don't think that was a good idea, because according to the IAEA International Atomic Energy Agency, they verified that six different times. Iran following that deal and I pulled out of it anyway that hurt our diplomatic talks. If you will and then story broke a few weeks ago, the international crime Horchow IRAN, sue the US and, according to the International

criminal court they said hey, we can't we're not allowed to sanction them when they allow in humanitarian goods, so are monster, that was to say, fuc off international criminal court, were now pulling out of the international criminal court. So talks have basic. Totally broken down and now the fear is that we could be on the a war because we have NEO Con John Bolton who's in the Trump administration. Who's always wanted war with IRAN. We have MIKE Pompeii also wants war with IRAN, and it's just it's: it's not a good situation because we had a pretty solid deal there and now it's more likely. The IRAN gets a nuke. If they want it and tensions are ramping up and if they blocked, because IRAN's economy is imploding right now and if we block their oil exports. That's when you know we're about to do some sort of regime change action over there dude? I have to end this. Unfortunately, everything happy to say before we wrapped this up No, I don't listen. I'm sorry! I didn't mean to do it already. Four hundred and ten secular talk give

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