Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comedian, and host of his own podcast "The Duncan Trussell Family Hour". Christopher Ryan, Ph.D. is a psychologist, speaker, and author of New York Times best seller Sex At Dawn, and also host of his own podcast "Tangentially Speaking"
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I was kidding I'm not going to do that. Man I heard a lot of people are saying that they heard it was crap, and then it wasn't good. Everybody I know! That's odd said it was awesome. I loved it. You loved it. I work with people who didn't like it. It's like what do you thinking man? What did you think we're going to go see? It's called star wars like it's the most. He is kind of thing. I don't know why people have expectations for star wars was the expectations. I guess they're looking for a or a a plus, I guess they're looking for know. You already know I guess they're looking for some kind of like deep, like meaning or something like Quentin Tarantino or some Kubrick esque thing, but it's star wars. It's a space so yeah go in there with no expectations be happy for the colours, that's it
the beautiful colors and then after that, if there's something out its things flying through space and lasers, it's is a very confined genre. It's very confined, and you know it's not going to step outside of the box. It's not going to be weird sexually, so I'm going to have some range murder. Tension is not going to be any like any unrequited love. There's going to be just some normal space themes with of Campbell's hero journey. That's it it's mixed in with a lot of mystical stuff that you can connect to, which is beautiful, it's gray, Have you ever heard Lucas talk about his friend Joseph Campbell, like literally wrote, STAR wars based on Joseph Campbell's, step the heroes journey fast they were. They were good friends, yeah the hero with one thousand faces. This is classic book. He did. Have you seen his interviews with Bill Moyers? Yes, power of myth. That was fantastic, he's awesome, so Joe in Campbell, used to go up and give a lecture at Lucas Ranch every year on mythology with Lucas Ranch, where George Lucas,
on each fire words; ok up in think it's Marander, Sonoma and He would go up when they were working on the original star wars, an give, a lecture to the crew everybody about mythology every year and then, when Campbell died, your friend in mind: Stanley Krippner filled in form, wow wow, that's interesting! Now, Stanley is amazing too family strip that I just saw him a week ago Duncan happen to text me. While I was talking with doing a podcast with Stan Lee or just finished, and I said, oh you gotta meet. My friend Duncan he's really interesting, he's a comedian but he's really into the spiritual stuff, and he just got back from seeing hanging out with rom dos in Hawaii and Stanley, says well. Does he know that rom dos was a stand up comedian for a time and I feel like he got a mixed up with Timothy Leary 'cause. I know Timothy Leary went on tour. Doing like some
kind of thing called stand up, but I don't think rom dos did it, but I know Timothy Leary tried stand up well. He said he saw him in the village in a club does. Why not many spy on acid Richard Albert, however, is probably thinking fuck it. Why now. Let me give it a shot. I mean he's good he's a great speaker and he is pretty funny. Yeah, you said is like a very humorous guy to talk. Yeah he's super funny yeah, which is yeah I've noticed that seems to be a quality and people who have a real spiritual practice like they're funny they're, all it's funny. They always have this real specific non bullshit style of humor, it's really hard to offend him. That's quite often that's how I can tell if somebody's got a real practices, their usual the impossible to offend like there, isn't anything that you can say that's going to make them upset, but you know the law from bells start going off. In my mind, when you get around people who
you say something, and you see oh shit, I triggered the alarm system. I have offended this person, which is really curious. How are you, how are you in tune with the universe and yet still something that a monkey descendant says out of the end of feeding tube. It causes you to feel result in Arrabal, if you're so tough. How? Why are you such a pussy? Essentially, psychically? Well, not not like Tyson. It's like the opposite of tough. You know yeah, but yeah I mean I agree like sophisticated. Well, I tell you know: what's going on, it's not the way, the way they described it or have heard to describe, which is super cool when it wisely whenever they were on dos talks about his is guru. Probably Baba is that there was no things there like you, there's no obstruction like anything, the way everything which is sort of going through this person. You know, as opposed to like me, I get on the phone with Bank of America. The frozen my card because I went to Australia and, like I'm,
saving with rage, you know like what the fuck I'm in another fucking country shopping with my fucking bank. You know, and you know or whatever it is- that like triggers you to freeze up some people, get to the point. Theoretically, where that convulsive seizure like freezing up, does it happen? I'll tell you I can get that in spurts. I can get done in spurts from yoga and here's our improve it ugh. I fucking nailed me on the highway while he wasn't paying attention hit the break. This kid. I watched and plow into my fucking car and my White Porsche expensive one and it's a rare cartoon. Like fuck. I hope you didn't total the car not out in the first thing I said, was you ok I'll, go, I'm ok, we're cool and I live He wasn't upset at all yeah that wasn't it, but I've been doing yoga like four days a week right- and I was a little high- you know, probably still
from the afternoon at the end of the pie- was probably like a lease under the influence of cannabis. The point where I was like a little bit more relaxed, but I just I I can only get there for like burst It's when you're busy with work and wife and it can overwhelm and you get mad at someone doing a shitty job parking like come on. Fuck head park, your fucking car stupid. You know, like you back it up again. Oh my god. Look at this retard you're backing up again and then I'll be like I catch myself like why not even talking to this guy, it's guys in a car. You know one hundred feet from me and I'm I'm openly mocking him out loud yeah and Corro Ding, your insides as you do it yeah. I heard Wim Hof talking about this. Maybe it was on your podcast. He was talking about uh being under the ice in his retinas frozen. Even he couldn't find the whole to get out and whoever it was '
He was talking with asked him like, so you know what was the panic like? Well, you know, and he said well, you know when I'm in those situations or like when I got lossed in a white out on Mount Everest in my shorts. There's no stress 'cause. Then it's all just like it takes you back to your cell, to who you really are, and I know in my core I am like you am like competent and diffident, and so he was saying like it's been demonstrated. You can generate more stress hormones lying in your bed and just thinking of national, then what actually happens when you're in a moment of actual danger, you sort of shift into another gear like when that car hit you that change. Your whole world right is like now now you're framing it as a maggot. Survive this. When I knew I was going to survive, he wasn't going that fast, but I was just talking to my car. Is going to be told, you're watching him in the rearview mirror stopped and dude
Some guy almost hit me today on his phone like with phone literally on the steering wheel as he's texting and I just went right into my lane, it's constant people constantly doing it he's not paying attention, and if something happens, when the guy Rear ended need the lane was closed for some reason like construction, so everybody got into that that on ramp on, like Hollywood and or the one hundred and one in highland exit and it was shut down for whatever reason. So we were all stopped in a big line and this dude just barely paid attention and also and shit, and I could see his face like I'm watching in my rearview tensing up, my car stalls out goes wine into another lane. That's where you don't want to be on a motorcycle. Oh my god, yeah! Oh, my god, and yeah- that's so dangerous. If you get like that in a motorcycle, you might be paralyzed, you might be dead easily. Can't get off and it's not your fault. That's the thing and I wrote a bike for seven one slash two years and I always felt like
I've- got everything under control, but there's that there's a large all right off. If you have the time to jump off and get the out of the way well, I never. I was in a like a competitive, you know razor and I'm dead and you see a guy coming from behind you. Do you jump off or do you let it hit you what the fuck do? You do? I don't know, but uh you're hyper aware of all the space around twenty bike, so I'm always stopped I know it like on a highway situation, I'm always watching behind me, because how you develop that vulnerable sense carry that man by trucker that remember Bill Burr telling us what he is. I guess at the ice house he's like riding a motorcycle is like. But imagine sitting on the hood of your car driving that way. It's looked down at the road buzz in by seventy miles an hour, and it's like I could reach out my toe in his grind it off. You know now yeah, but you know it's like it's. Like a metaphor, for so many other things in life right,
do you really want to be. You want to have the illusion of separation, or do you you actually safer being intimate with the danger of what's going on so you're hyper vigilant, the car you're, looking at your phone you're fucking with the radio 'cause you at this sense that I'm in a room and everything is cool until he hit the tree. You know there's definitely that you can definitely get, to detach and as things get more and more automated it to be weirder and weirder is now. You can tell your car things like like you've used that hey SIRI function. Yes, you so you ask your card text, be will text? People tells the send. Last time I was on your buggy own. I did this whole thing and I saw a bunch of people tweeted like bed and fucked up my phone it off their list, cars for the press, the button I have to press the button and then I say it,
uh, I don't have to say that do the hey SIRI thing, but my point being, is they have that teslas now that they're coming with they have you download that allows you to have your car, automated self, like you set the door oceans and it navigates the drives yeah. It fucking drives itself. So like that and it's going to get real weird when we switch back and forth between that and then actually driving like the space out Factor the people like when they have to drive again they might not be used to it. Yeah. It's the space between automation, an like semi automation and full automation that is going to be really dangerous, but man, the dream, is you leave your house. Your car looks like a little living room, a little pod with a couch in it, coffee maker, a tv, and you just sit on the couch, tell the car where it take me to vague ISS? And it just takes you there and you just relax on these sleep. You can look out the window. The interstates are just going to look like houses,
that you miss you with your aviator sunglasses on the Witcher blowout hair, you driving gloves but driving shoes, let's get crazy, oh yeah! I was a little nervous driving shoes, in the gears. Let's say you have like an old fiat or something cool. You look at your a poet or something I'm sure there are people back scarf over your shoulder. I'm sure they were carriage. However, you are like engine what, but think of medicine that which is it's worth. The smell of the fire yeah, I'm sure is, is like everyone always may lawyers in a stout J tache to and waited technologies, but it's like sure great, but
I'm going to be sitting in my pleasure pod with VR goggles on as I get taken to Florida, where alpha the sacred river flows, but you're missing the pleasure of the wooden wheel, losing traction on the money bro. Exactly the boxer, not aerodynamic box being dragged by horses starts to go sideways near the edge of the cliff and what an adventure with a great time to be alive. Well, I don't even have to ride the horse. I can ride in a box behind the horse. Modern technology is awesome, progress being that box with fine silk velour seating, yeah everything women with push up bras. The core sets core set of lots of roughly skirts fucking
I'm trying to bang a check while skirt the disaster came in. You got to make a choice: either you don't see her or you don't see your face. It's one of the one of the things he can't have it both ways. If you push that stay up God doesn't go, I get a hold of the you know, you know. His Citic Jews have sex through a sheet with a hole cut in it, boyfriend John seven joke about it that the women used to live the clothesline see what the biggest hole John Tobin. But everything about that stuff man like who's, the like someone had to be the first person to be like you know what let's put a big sheet over you and cut a hole right over your pussy. So I don't see you anymore, like that. Didn't evolve. Didn't even touch is not just an
see you, then your bodies don't touch to get so someone invented that there was a person. Who's like I've got an idea. Let's start the women and blankets and a whole right. It doesn't involve right Chris, it's like there's a per, is one person who's, incredibly crazy, I guess they may have evolved. You know it may have just been like a hanky over someones face. Initially you know, and then it grew you never know it may have started as a blindfold, but you it implies that communication about it, like you have to tell your friends like well, you know I put a handkerchief over face last night. Maybe you guys should start doing that we even crazier than it took off. It's not like one guy doing it like his Citic Jews. It's a huge population of people in America, New York City, there's a very big community of acidic Jews.
They're all doing that with the blanket I don't know if they always do it, I don't know the so she and I think the women all shave their heads in where windows to see. I if I see it as an expression, copy the people on every wake up and no talking what the fuck they have. This chamber has to wear a wig. I think. Well, I think I need to think about it in the Arabs may come cover their hair right. Here's a rod is- and I think it's an expression of anti eroticism anti pleasure- your only fucking to have kids there's no pleasure involved, so we're going to do as much It is possible to remove everything that is in purely function. Compass are you know, I think your time either Tesla thing. The thing is bizarre about that is in the file. Print. It says it's in beta. Do you want your car, a self driving car? That's in beta! No thanks. It says that they are not responsible for any accidents, so you should always. Watch the road and be prepared to step in if something goes wrong like well. Thanks for nothing back on my compute
making days I used to have friends that would get the latest builds of softap, where of operating systems rather and so run like beta versions of like new windows operating systems and the shit was always crashing those kind of half of the fun the fund for those guys was like saying: hey man, I'm using windows nt, you know blah blah blah, and this is the new shit and it's really ' infer servers, so I have to have a work around with certain drivers for video cards. You know, there's all this crazy shit. They used to do remember those like when you got wind, 'cause. You had to get this giant pack of disk. Remember that there is so many many members like. Sometimes you get two of these two tubes filled with those. Remember you would start off with a floppy you'd have to start with floppy that was like your installed foods that worked yeah. The floppy was like. You would stick that in then. You have to Dick CD roms in like what in the fuck right, my first expose
computers is when I worked in real estate in New York in the dime district, full of hasidic Jews. That's how out of there there you go and the guy had a computer, the size of refrigerator, and one of my jobs is to back up the disks every week and you pull out these drawers and put this like thing down and turn it and pull it out in the disk. Was about that big laugh, yes, in your hands like a mo sorry, that's all right, an album, a lot bigger than an album yeah like a large pizza, a large pizza yeah, then how many gigs was on that. I don't know, I think it was MB. Oh my god, that's hilarious! This was like maybe six hundred or so that's so funny wow. It's so funny, like the amount of storage space that we have now it's kind of nuts and then also like that. So much of it is in the cloud yeah. If you notice like on the new Iphone software, your few, if you've you're you do, doesn't download all your songs, it shows you all your songs, but when you go to play them, it streams them yeah. I don't
that 'cause. I want to shit on my phone. So if I'm not connected or I don't have to pay for the data- it's my fucking stuff, I got one hundred and twenty eight gigs on my phone fill it with music. I can't figure out how to do it. Well, you set it so that's available offline We download all of them. You have to download all of them. It's super annoying. I did in a hotel. The other day is like not downloading eight hundred and forty seven songs and I was like what the fuck you're in a place that doesn't have cell phone service in you go to your music list. I was trying to use it in the gym. There's no service was like. Oh you fuckers. It's not on my phone and I had to figure it out. That's complaints back in the ok yeah. It wasn't your complaint back in the carriage and horse chase and there on your fucking slippery ride over the top of the mountain, where you might wind up eating all your friends stuck up their crazy man that we are constantly surrounded by some cloud of invisible. Added consists of all in for
nation. That is ever been recorded. That's crazy! Did you hear not that guy. That was, he want to see. They got shipwrecked at sea for like over a year with an other guy he made it by, like thinking, rainwater needing turtles and all kinds of crazy shit, but it's the nuttiest stories, they're kind of raft for a fucking year, but its companions family is now suing him because they say that he ate them yeah, he ate the other guy right, I just the mexican guy to mexican fishermen mexican. I don't know I don't know if you're mexican, but just the thought behind James SIRI Fire story, just a thought behind it and being sued. It's it's funny. It's ballism you're, not in a criminal complaint. It's a civil suit. I don't know what it is, I don't know. If it's american, I don't know if they have a different legal system. I don't even know what it is, but I don't even know if, suing or, if they're, trying to accused him of murdering him or something eating 'em. It's the eating.
But if he's dead eat him, when he that's what I say eat me if I die but they say is that this guy t shirt by the way was claiming that he kept dude on the boat with them for company for six days and threw him overboard the Ysu for one million dollars for eating shipping. But here's the thing like how approve thirty eight? How do you even accuse a guy? I think he he talked about it. He told me yeah because he's salvadorian, but they got so they were in Mexico and they got swept out that I've read about this one. So we talked about eating the guy yeah. So that's on the list in the story says that he just threw the guy overboard. It seems like you would want your family member to have my given his life for Somebody, it kind of makes your family member, a hero. Lots of cultures eat their dead You know when someone dies, they eat them yeah and it's an honor that is incredible more than a year and see CFR. Here admitted Jamie Finance Eve anywhere, he admitted he paid this guide
company him on a short fishing trip off the coast of Mexico, wow yeah any he wrote a book, so they want the money from the book. Yeah yeah. You might be right or you might hate that dude you know, there's a looks like he did. It looks like you need to do. You know I used to think. I think most people think some cultures were just cannibals for the hell of it. You know like they were just especially evil right, this text or whatever and then there's just weren't, but you know, if you think about it, doesn't make sense. So Europeans killed just as many people as the Aztecs did. They were just as ruthless they're burning them at the stake. They even cook him, but they do need him right right. So then I read this guy Marvin Harris this anthropologist, who wrote a book called cannibals and kings. He went back in looked at societies that were cannibalistic and those that weren't, especially in the South Pacific has some islands were some islands weren't whatever and in Latin America, and when
determine was that the societies that were cannibalistic have add a lack of protein there, no animals that could be domesticated, and so when they killed people in battle they ate them because they were protein, hungry or starved. And but Europe ends had plenty of domesticated animals, so they didn't need the protein 'cause they had. The goats pigs and whatever. But if you think about Mexico there's nothing that they could domesticate except turkeys or are dogs or animals that eat the same. Food is human, so you need to domesticate an animal that doesn't eat what humans eat. So it's not competing right and there were in North America. So that's why they were cannibals wow, that's crazy fascinating. It's also important to note that uh, one of the key tenants of Catholicism, involves a kind of metaphysical cannibalism, which is you know the the unique the body of Christ in Christ, and they call that converge
one of the way for into the flesh of Christ. They have a name. They think that when you're priest is doing the ritual, it's turning it into the flesh of gene right. The trends transit stand she age. That is the name for it and that's where you're shifting the way for into the flash of a God the your meeting, but that's totally real, totally real. You can taste it get the stuff. It's kosher, many of them. Do you think that it is really it's Godflesh, which is actually a really old. That's and very
traditionally you eat you eat at God. Do you eat the sacrifice, God to get its energy or something? Well, I had of all originate within the agents. Is no no doubt that at all immediately what I thought everything I mean, you double scary, where the the psychoactive component stays active after to metabolize, so the pace of the shaman who the nominee to are, you will get your eyes checked, yeah, I'm so they fed them. Piss at that, apparently amanita muscaria is very hard to get right. I've, never I've, never gotten high off of it. I I had we tried it once it didn't work, but the and we tried Psilocybin mushrooms with it, and we had a fucking sane journey, so they kind of work together, sort of synergistic way, but apparently by itself it's real hard and they think that it might be like a geographical variant and then also like seasonally and then genetically like you have to get the right stuff in the right stuff might not even exist in most places anymore right, that's pretty,
interesting! Isn't it all the last pharmacol, gee this stuff that will never even know about like Soma Soma yeah. What is it like? What is this stuff you hear about this? all the doing all of these old technologies just got in the illusion mysteries? You know I didn't realize this until recently, the shop see lazy, lazy days or, however, you pronounce it in Paris. That's the lousy and mushrooms this translation is allusion, mushrooms, chomps, right, jumping on these years, the unquestionably without a doubt, there were people, that lived a long time ago that discovered psychedelic plants yeah sure English they had to have all you have to I mean this is the most rational way to look at it. If you lived at that time and you had no science, you had some submit, it's fables and some rules to live by and you found those things. You would think that you have found God. You would definitely think
You just ate, you don't have a scale. You're just eat, these mushrooms that you find and you eat ten. Names of 'em. Could lord you're gonna meet? Do you, like literally, will be transported to God and everybody? You know people? Will listen to this kind of shit and they'll go armor little stupid. You know you just tripping it just hallucinate ing you gotta, take this in situation. I know I've said it before, but it is important to repeat when you I haven't experienced it doesn't matter. If that experience is like you could put it scale or hit it with a stick. It's a real experience right, so you, even though no ones saying that your meeting God when you eat, do mushrooms but what I am saying is it's. The same thing is meeting God like the expiry so profound that you would be like doing that. It would be like having when you do, DMT perfect example. Yes, it is like meeting the highest power around you
I mean like meeting a God. It's like reading a sea of gods. It feels like it there's a place where things can be both true and untrue. I think you know and what you're talking about is that overlap? For me, it's where you know like placebo effect you say: well, it's just a sugar pill. Yeah, it's just a sugar pill, but it has demonstrable measurable repeatable effects on people hypnosis is another one like well how the fuck does that work right? Nobody is explained this and I think when you're talking about seeing God. That is, ultimately a subjective experience that happened or didn't, and if it did, then it did and there's no there's no one outside who can say that's just bullshit or that you know some sort of Richard Dawkins Denial of the sacred beak. As you experienced it, and so I'm sort of sympathetic. I I mean I trash religion as much as the next guy, but I'm sympathy,
headed for the experience of someone who says. Look I go there. I have these rituals. I smell that stuff. I was raised in this tradition, an eye and transported to another world that makes my life better Ik that's a that's. Not real despite the bullshit over the Bible or whatever yeah. No, I agree with you. You know think is problematic. Is the label like even how I said it like you'll meet God like does that word is so loaded racks? That's a part, a big part of the problem, a big part of the problem with the just the idea of religious religious ideas like forget about the words that you're using whether you're using the word prayer or scripture, or whatever the name you have for your deity. Those are just noises you're making and they correspond to like whatever the cultural com. Text is of the Hindu God for the crew watching God. But if you just think of the feeling
of wanting to be a good christian right, the feeling of wanting to please God, not by blown up abortion, play next or any there's nothing the wacky aspects of it that we sort of connect to it. We think about, like radical fun, mental religion on any side of the fence right, but the feeling that you're getting like you're feeling, if you all together in church- and you really are praising his name- you really are praising the idea of this loving God that wants fellowship and once camaraderie and brotherhood, like whatever that feeling is that whenever that thought is take out all the words Jesus cry Easton in his praise, Jesus and Buddha, Mohammed and Allah and take out words, and what is the feeling that feel is the search for this positive. This positive source, like this thing Ultimately, we can all eventually reach
put aside all of our ridiculous monkey, behavior and greed, and jealousy and anger and lust and just get to uh at our very best. You know- and it's almost like it's like a guide to get you there, but we get tripped up on the words that are attached to the guide, like the word God or the word Mohammed or the more Allah or you know, Krishna yeah Krish na go down the line to send in the parasites that lands on. Yes, is this and you know start selling and you know making a power structure around using it. Rules controlling like people with it. Don't get started off talking about how you can recognize someone, not just as this a truly enlightened person, but is it just the person you want to hang out with if they are really hard to a fat? If they have a good sense of humor yeah, they don't have a sense of humor there's some wrong. You know that and but
think about the old testament Guide is the most easily offended motherfucker imaginable. You know like the book of job. If you have read the book of job, it's fucking amazing, like job is this. You know great it does everything he supposed to do. Everything is cool and the Devil and God are hanging out one day and the devils like that the devil says, like people are really like you, so much man. You know you think everybody loves you and God's like. Of course, people love me. Look at job he's perfect. He does everything I tell in the dev well yeah, but he only does what you tell him. 'cause you've been good to him fuck with me, little bit and you'll see what happens so, God being the fucked up asshole that he is apparently killed job's, wife and kids, but no that's not I mean it. You said it's not meant to be taken literally, that I mean that's, not a literal. That's a that's a store
with the fact that no matter of God dunk it of course is to be taken literally question. What kind of truck driver mother fuck this is how cocky Duncan is Duncan is like. Well, I think what Jesus read to say: anybody wasn't so good with his words backgrounds and since I've gone to college in Asheville NC's got a phd. I I've been talking to God, God gave me a phd, but no, I think that you run into trouble. If you start looking at Mythal g and I'll. Let like is, though, that's really what it means I get to actually do it. Okay, but look at the God, that's being depicted there weather. Whatever the story is he's easily jealous. He's precious he's, cruel Let's take an alcoholic father, but that's so if you look at the universe like right now at this moment mothers are dying of cancer. Kids are getting exploded by bombs, all of dogs or attacking fucking.
Old people in the park. Like you know what I mean, so this is the story of job is always struck me more as a kind of like store if how look man, you can't understand the infinite like when I step on an ant, you know what I mean to me. It's like well, I stepped on an ant today, but for whatever that, ants tiny little subjective universe happens to be I've completely. Obliterate that I wiped it out that and could never possibly undo stand the internet action that just happened there, but it was a real interaction, so it seems the story of job is more like what the fuck are. You you universe. This incredible thing that I'm surrounded by that seems to very capriciously random times. Just destroy Poulan lives and like shit man. I just heard about this family driving under an underpass and it like a Br like a concrete block, fell out of a truck landed on
God. Damn range Rover Bam Entire family's act. Out of this universe and to me job, that's that's what the story is: is how can someone be a servant of love like what you were talking about? How can say connect to this desire to like give love and happy penis enjoy into the universe when it any second guaranteed for any human being, there could be in. There will be a tragedy, more devastate mean anything you could ever imagine, because that's just the way the world works, you you're going to die. You're your wife, your family, your friends. This is the reality were in and how, in the kind of swirling vortex of chaos and violence, do you find a place where regg hardness list of all of that you will still be committed? Is much as you can to that thing you did on the road when the fucking car here instead of getting out
fucking pummeling, the guy, because your agenda, Drenaline's flowing you ask hey? Are you alright, that's wild to you? It might seem like not that big a deal, but if ev everyone on planet earth, started doing that well, holy shit could be a whole new. Are, I think I think I mean I agree with what you're saying, but I think there's an underlying's assertion of the cruelty of the universe that I think is distorted. Okay, I I think that you know I was watching this nature program couple weeks ago and there was a seal. I may have even talked with you about this last time I was on, but is it like a seal playing in the waves, and then you hear there like blue, and you see the shadow coming up and it's a great white and it
the seal, and then they see the guy. The narrator actually says we slow this down to one forty, eighth of normal speed right and you see the teeth there and they are in. This feels fluttering around and there's blood everywhere and there's the and the the meanwhile, the narrator saying the struggle for survival is an ever over and yeah, and so I'm watching that I'm thinking well, but Sele seem kinda happy to me right like how come there not more stressed out, because all the seals I've seen relying on rocks and chillin chillin and barking and having fun. So I looked up to see if there's a harbor seal, I think they live to be about thirty. So let's say this ones in its prime: it's twenty five! It's whole fucking life, it's been lying on, warm Roxanne, eaten fresh fish and then in half a second, it's dead. And we're looking at that as evidence of the cruelty of nature that
What's the ratio there, you know: what's the ratio of good days to bad days in that seals, life, it's pretty fucking good! True- and I read this amazing account of being pounced on by a lion by, I think, was who who search for Livingston in Africa. I remembered livings, Doctor Livingston. I presume anyway, that guy he got pants on by a lion and he talks about. He didn't describe it this way, but the endorphins that are released when you're dying, right, Espeche I mean prey animals. He was completely detached completely real next, watching this lion tossing him around what they think there an evolutionary advantage to both species, both the predator and prey in them having this endorphin release when they get got 'cause when lions attack, like antelopes or with big cats, catch deer the deer kind of give in man they get Jack they next year, but they don't. They cut
fight a little and then they kind of give in right, but like bears those kind of animals, they don't really give in like that, so they don't like. If cat in a mountain lion or amount line, rather than a bear go at it like the bear, isn't, going to give in to the mountain line right is the mountain lion bites. Parents neck. The bear is going to try to turn and bite him back and they're going to tooth and claw doubt they're not going to give one. She would give into a dinosaur, that's good, something where the power is overwhelming and you feel it like. There's I ain't getting out of this. I wonder if that's what triggers the release? That's a very good point that thing that you're talking about right. There is the secret of happiness, which is that fucking release, because if you really look at it, we are in the mouth of a super, Predator entire universe and it's slowly killing us right now. Loving me out once upon you up, it's true. It's like I mean,
does sound like dire, but on one level it sounds dire, but then the the idea is like you have to accept situation that you're in an it is we we are like being like we're in the mouth of the most incredible, most powerful, most Omni present thing ever, earlier, when you were talking about, you know you smoke DMT, you have this experience of you see, god whatever it is. You have you see this incredible matrix of which is nice when you're on a patch. Theoretically, on I o Oscar I've, I haven't done mushrooms, but the funny thing about it is right now minus the psych it out, you are surrounded by an entire universe, of which pieces of the universe are alive and aware of you and are talking to you. The psychedelics sort of just force feeds you that reality exactly or it painted it puts a different coat of paint on top of it. So now It seems you need novel again. It's just another level of the same experience is happening, which is that
you are surrounded by a living partially living universe. That has a tendency from time to time to produce life, this universe that were in produced his life and your part and you're surrounded by an infinite ocean of that tendency. So that's very overwhelming. I think for people, which is why they begin to accept all this is just completely normal. This thing this and then that's when you the psychedelic era. Like holy shit, I saw my god it's like no. You saw the exact same thing that you've been seeing. It's only that you saw it in a different form, for whatever reason people don't want to accept this stuff, that's happening around us right now, as God, they don't accept it. They don't accept. What this thing is around us is super natural, it's crazy. If they don't see. This is when Joe was talking earlier about foragers finding these substances I was thinkin. This is exactly what you're talking about, because we hate we
take those substances and it's like a revelation right and veil is pulled back. What is the veil? The veil is sure we live in a culture that is constantly trying to put out the fire of mystery in us, Stanley saying no life is about having this car This kind of house get a new air conditioner go to work, don't don't be looking for mystery, just go to work and punch the fucking clock. Alright go look in your mind or your cubicle or whatever it's true, trying constantly trying to get us to accept this bum fucking deal right, whereas four there's there surrounded by mystery, everyday everyday. Everything is live everything is full of spirit. There is the spirit of the for the Spirit of the clouds, the Spirit of the air there surrounded by spirits. So I wonder what their experience with psychedelics is like, because I don't think it I mean. I'm sure it heightens. Everything is amazing and obviously, as sacred value I don't think it has that same ref,
Lettori aspect might be a different, even deeper revelatory thing, because they are not confined in the bullshit of like buildings and streets and traffic lights and taxes. At all. These thing is that we hold in the four one of our mind our consciousness that are really just retarded. We've created these things most of the things that people come up with to occupy their mind during the day are things that we've come up with, that we've discovered or created and decided that their significant like why jobs or social status for breeding, I think it's just. I think it's gets back to dunkins point. I think the whole thing is an edifice built to distract ourselves from our mortality. I think that's what civilization is. It certainly could be, or it could be a mechanism. For us to continue to create technology and innovate because the best way to do,
that is to not have a good perspective, not have not realized that if we, if our perspective is really good- and we realized that, where these temporary beings just sort of love each other and spend as much time together in camaraderie and friendship is possible. I'm not going to get done, we're all going to look at all the phones we have now and then go. We good. We just keep using these phones and everyone's fine. We look at our tv's, and that is a very big tv were good. My computer is super fat. We're good, my internet seems fine. Let's just leave all stuff alone and hang out right. That's You need the discontent to create the technology, so the question is who's: butt, butt, whose interest is all this in that 'cause, it's not in ours, yeah, exactly it's the super organism, Marshall Mcluhan quote, Mark Koons, sorry, that sex organs of the machine was her favorite quote ever, and I think that one of the things we've by lighting everything up also is we've gotten rid of the
psychedelic vision that is space- you no longer see space like you, If you go on a trip to the desert and you go out to the desert, and like the high desert? And you look up at night, you, like wow yeah, you get that majestic v. Vision of the cosmos, don't get it now anymore. It's got, I got, we smoked it out. We smoked it out with street lights. You got tomatoes that will look good for a long time, but haven't fucking flavor and roses that don't smell like roses. They don't want us know if they smell like nothing, because because they gotta breathe. That will last much longer looking good, but it doesn't have the smell, but you spray perfume on Bro. That's what they do seriously seriously it's what they spray rose, perfume on roses. I I went to dinner once this french chick made me dinner. This beautiful, wonderful, frenchwoman, end uh,
but I didn't like anything she liked, so it was a difficult relationship. You know like she likes sailing. She had this little sailboat and for me, sailing is like skin cancer guarantees I think it's a like I'm gonna, be a pale because I'm super pale, I'm out on the water, no shade you, you know we're waiting for wind, I'm dead, I'm dead anyway, so she made this dinner for me one night and I went to her. Place and everything was beautiful and was all set up with candles, and you know nice silver error and it was escargot. I don't fucking need Scott go man! I'm american, I don't eat snails, but I was going to go through, just 'cause. She went all this trouble, two thousand eight hundred and twenty nine something, and so she has this big part of Scargo least shells in the sauce tomato sauce and she puts it on, and so I pick up the first one suck up the sauce and there's no snap and I'm like lucked out and pick up the next one same thing: again: no snail and I'm looking at her across
the table and getting this weird look on her face. There were no snails, she bought the shells they have. They sell the snail separately. You have to put the snail back in the shells. What I know something about you, spray and perfume on roses with no smell reminded me of that started so ridiculous. So she made a big pot of snail shells: snail, Shell, soup, tomato snail, Shell Soup, that's hard to say snail shell suit, nail, shell, zoo Now it doesn't want to say that snail shell suits near snail, shell, soup, snail shells, Celsius oops. It is bizarre that would separate them how would you take the snails out and make people put him back in maybe to clean shipping yeah, maybe select cleanliness issue, but then you would know that they weren't fresh. The whole idea is that want to catch 'em. They do some sing to them. Know that something that I was there's a guy
free online, who is a wild game cook, a famous wild game, Cook he's been on Steve Renals television show and one of the things that he does is he takes wild, foods like mushrooms and stuff, and he incorporates then like if he eats like a deer, who cooks a deer meal hill? You like a lot of the local ingredients like local plants and local mushrooms and things like that and he that was some snails and he had to purge them. So I guess you do something we take them and you like leave them in water from period of time or something let them defecate and LE in person right. I think that that might be. That makes sense. Yeah, you don't want each nail person lobster right that hold large shrimp. I'm fine. Do we have we talked about fecal transplant?
Have you started? We have definitely haven't stopped talking about it since you had it. I was pretty bizarre. The idea that microbes from another persons poop can actually help your body yeah. That's pretty wild, point being born vaginally. You get your mother's microbiome all over your skin in your mouth and stuff from her vaginal secretions. So when kids are see c section. They don't get that they're much more likely to have as a man all this stuff, because so what you gotta do, even if you have a c section, is smeared
pussy juice, all over the kids face literally known. I don't think you should say that we should probably edit that out just what the doctor ordered. There are new rules in this society. You know not to push it once you start working start working for subway that'll get you fired. It was Yale, but yeah. That's right very talking before the podcast started about the social Justice Warrior placemats that Harvard at given to children to take home with them. I say children 'cause. If your parents are paying for your education, your fucking child you're, still a child, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care if you're at I don't care if you vote on Kevin, go to war, they, they sent these placemats home with these kids explaining how to talk to your parents. If, in traversal issues come up like if your parents exhibit xenophobia or sexism transphobia, they literally are giving them these places.
Can we see him yeah will pull it up the Harvard just apologize for it today, for Place. Mat well, some intelligent people apparently got ahold of him and what the are you doing, you seeing people how to be only liberal, progressive thinkers, like think only the way you guys want them to think can they have? Are they allowed to have a new ones depending on subjects that are controversial? I did some things, you're not allowed to have a nuanced opinion, but you're not even allowed to debate it, and that was what open at Yale when they were talking about offensive Halloween costumes here it is the Yale student Acton tips for toy talking to family members. Oh my god. This is hilarious. Listen mindfully! Before formula breeze thoughtful response? Ask questions when people expressed strong opinions affirm, verify the difference between the good intentions and the impact speak speak from a place of mutual interest. Sharing personal experiences and emotion.
Oh, my god, and they talk about black murders in the streets. Why don't they just listen to officer, if they, if they just had obey the law, this wouldn't have happened response I mean come on. Look at this is hilarious. Do you think, do you think the response would be the same if it was a white person being pulled over like look at what they're doing here? This is teaching people how to talk to their parents about controversial social issues like Islamophobia. Oh, my god, What is this that we shouldn't let anyone in the US from Syria, we can't guarantee that terrorists won't infiltrate their. This is like the worst fucking Christmas dinner ever fix it a horrible. This is not the Christmas dinner. This a fucking O'Reilly factor us it's been accepting refugees from the war torn areas around the world for decades. Remember the wars in Central America, they were extremely violent in the US accepted refugees
right whatever it's just boring and see this Yale student activism, one wire, the blacks, do and complaining shouldn't. They be happy to be in college response. When I hear units expressing their experiences of racism on campus. I don't hear cleaning. Instead, I hear young people uplifting ASA duration, that are you, may not. You know what my dad very anyone at this point when I'm reading this, my dad all start making calls are going. No, no I'm by the way of lifting, is not a verb. Yeah yeah now could somebody tell Movember fancy boys sign. You need yeah about yeah that but there's a Harvard placemat it's about ale student life, but listlessness. If non black students got the privilege, get the privilege of a safe environment, I believe that's same privilege should be given to all students. Like you just said. No,
I think that is a nonsense statement. You don't hear complaining when they're complaining. Well, that's bizarre. If people are complaining that definite planning than they might have a very good, exactly there's nothing negative about complaining. They might have a very good point. If you don't hear complaining, then you're not paying attention. I agree with that. I heard section now that is, that seems pretty logical, the response to read it. Do you think the response would be the same. There there's a white person being pulled over in many incidents that cool in the death of a black body in the street, these victims, or not breaking the law in are unarmed. With at this is a seems right on. He was a twelve year old boy playing in the park when the officers pull up. They gave no verbal commands and shot, and then two seconds of arriving at the scene. He was now breaking any laws. You know this. Just just watch. Someone made a Youtube montage of cops meeting people in saying that you've seen that it's crazy- and I was thinking my Christ man if I was black and got pulled over by a cop I'd, be shitting myself, because they just shoot not only the.
You're, dealing with someone who is encountering bad people all day. Most of the people. The cops encounter all day encounter breaking the law. Most the people most either pulling them there, either pulling pulling him over going too fast or doing something stupid or they're, trying to steal something they trying to rob somebody or they're showing up at a scene after someone's done something up. So just think. Not to stress that a normal persons under and multiply that times. One hundred you get pay Like forty Grand a year, people want to shoot out you weren't God, Damn bulletproof vest you going to someone someone's car and it young black guy and he does eases rap music is loud. It's not even turning it down god Damn is today the day I get shot and killed I say the day I die and let's not get that a lot of these dudes are coming back from war, so a lot of them have PTSD and they were trained where they were an occupying force. So they take that training and they apply it to joining the police force, an the popul and is the enemy. Everyone is a potential
virtuous. I advanced. I got in a conversation with my uber driver, this black dude and he was like a talk getting pulled over recently and I told him I haven't been pulled over in like nine years and he's like I'm white lol. He gets pulled over all time. You know, and and so like. That's fucked up man like that's like that that live in that kind of world where you real guys that you're, just you just, have to accept getting pulled over, and you have to accept the fact that there is like some chance if you make the wrong move or if the cops naps, because of for whatever reason, your dad that happens all the time there was that one where the cops pulled the guy over and there's a video of him, the complete different interaction. The cop described the
This is going out, something you just shoots: the guy in this fucking car, no ones in trouble, not scared, no ones in danger parable this people just shouldn't be cops. There's definitely people that shouldn't be cops. I think most people. How about that? What about these cases where they like swap the right into someone's house and all of a night, shoot him in bed? And then it's like oh wrong House, are they should talk a low shoe in the dog yeah and taking the property? That's the other thing in this country, their motive by a motivated motive. It what's the word, I'm motivated yeah, there's a word there incentivize sense ours on to to get into shit. You know to get get into trouble to find trouble 'cause, they get the house get the car that you know in two thousand and fifteen cops took more property than burglars did I saw that well. I think about that. Wait, a minute! Yeah
that goes right into the local police Department's budget. Yeah, and so it doesn't even go to Washington, you know they bought Margarita machines in North Carolina. If you see that I didn't see that they will pull people over and if you have money they just take it to say. Well, you have to figure out a way to prove to us that this money was made illegal asset forfeiture, surpass burglaries for the first time ever and that's an important point. You don't even have to be charged with a crime. They can just say what are you doing walking around with ten grand in cash? That's ours, you gotta, prove and also think about how much of this is related to drugs, like thinking that and then so, when you realize the asset forfeiture is actually happening for so thing that shouldn't be illegal anyway, like do you watch, have you watched, it's called like drunk tank. If you seen this show where, like it's like, no, it shows it's a show where, after someone gets pulled over for a DUI they to get thrown in the drunk tank and there is to me nothing more vile than seeing a cop smugly like searching
person and pulling marijuana out of his pocket and being like well well. Well, what do we have here? Marijuana? Look at this. That's going to be something that history is going to judge in the most intense way. Every single car it's been on a reality, show smugly taking someone's weed for them, putting and 'cause on them, 'cause they had weed for eternity there going to be looked back on in a really fucking awful way, they're going to want to scrub the internet. From of that footage, because they're enforcing a law father. I mean we are not going to preach in the fucking choir here, but there's something so foul about it. That smugness. You know it's so disgusting for nothing for nothing for lit. Really nothing literally, nothing yeah it! Well it not less than nothing something they enjoy. It's not not just for nothing more disgusting that, because it's positive, it's beneficial enhances their life makes food taste
better write that gets us back to the seeing God in a mushroom right. Every culture that's ever had access to hallucinogens have seen them is the greatest gift of the gods right, the most sacred, the most beautiful gift they've been given our country in the United States. You go to prison for longer under minimum mandatory for having lsd, yeah right, LSD then, for second degree murder. Think about that. So so: it's not only wasteful and weird and awkward. It's and to me that you know ties into my argument that we live in a culture that the sets out to dinner. The mystery. This is where I differ from you. I don't know the feature sets out to deny it or of all these things are kind of in place and they all benefit each other, and the overall result is that the culture guys it's reality, I'd
necessarily think there's any design involved. No, no well see this is a design versus evolution. I agree with you. I think it's a system that replicates itself for its itself, yeah things out sub mechanisms that support the central mechanism. Yeah yeah. I don't, I don't think Henry Kissinger's behind. No, I I I know you don't, but I mean I don't think, there's anyone that doesn't want anyone that doesn't want us to be aware of our it's, not the general shorinji entire advertising industry doesn't want us to know the reality of what they're selling they're, not even oh, that's different yeah. That's I mean there's a whole. You know Edward Bernays right the great yeah who founded advertising essentially and also work for the CIA, also came up with the word defense freedom abroad, justification for american military adventures I mean he was central and he's very clearly said like we need to create reality for people, because if they are allowed,
read their own reality. They won't buy stuff. They won't do what we need them to do. They won't vote for who we need them to vote for so there's an elite that has to create reality for the masses and it's logical if you it like, if we will, if we got assigned to and we're and we designed to some massive group of people that we needed to control and we needed to like we needed them, I think that we were in charge. That was the first thing. You would have certain rules that you would they had to abide by and the first rule would be don't let him take psychedelics man 'cause if they start fucking tripping they're, going to Guys were just three to foods like yeah and see listen to us anymore, which is why I think there is a five year mandatory minimum when it comes to LSD, because that when you take LSD, the entire things seems absolutely absurd from money to the government to jobs. It also
seems like a ridiculous thing that everyone else seems to have accepted as like yeah. This is just how you do shit right, but question the people that are enforcing the laws are not the people that created those laws and the people that are enforcing the laws most certainly have experience these things. That's why we need to get comic Strip yeah, but you're right. I agree. I think that there's there's a certain momentum that these laws and that this propaganda has sort of set in motion. That's going to be really hard to slow down and stop and we're starting to do that with pot the availability and the relaxation the way people view pot in twenty fifteen is way different than two one thousand and five and we're doing it with lucent agents too, I mean there's approved research going on there's fantastic clinical application and old guard has to die
yeah. That's what allows works. You know people that it. It started. Those laws, the Joe Fridays, yeah dragnet, guys like those guys, are dead. So, like the people that like started this whole the sweeping psychedelic legislation act of nineteen. Seventy, I believe it was when they made everything schedule. One exact yeah. They just were just trying to batten down the hatch. Is we have to stop these fucking hippies like everything was crazy the response, the Vietnam WAR everybody wanted to get out. It was. It was like this culture explosion that was going on and they were trying. For a wet blanket, so I was trying to figure out how to do it, but those people that did that they're all dead. So these new sort of DEA people and drug enforcement officers there their operating under this assumption that what they're doing is in some way good right, because it's been in place
for a long time, and this is just how it is and look there's a reason why heroines, illegal son there's a reason why cocaine illegal son? What marijuana is going to rot your brain? So you do marijuana like why, Why are mushrooms illegal if you've done mushrooms I've done mushrooms and you think they're illegals, something went wrong, someone wrong either you tried to fight it in the trip took you sideways or you know you didn't get enough of it or you did it with assholes. If you have the thing you partner, there's a name for it when it like I somebody gets invested into a religion are, are a cult you get no cold and after you we've invested yourself for a certain amount of time. When you get really like sucked into the cult, the just the fact that you've been in it for four five one thousand and fifteen years
is enough to keep you in, even though you know it's complete, bullshit and see you stay in it. Only because, like you've been you've invested too much into it like when they predict the apocalypse, and then it doesn't happen, yeah most people just like well that doesn't shake their believe it all take to it. You go is completely committed to imagine if, like your entire life, you had been in for forcing legislation that was completely absurd. That wasn't based on any thing that in reality that in fact for you tire life. You are forcing legislation that was in some way dampening or pushing your society back, pushing back evolution of your culture and you have to come to terms with the fact that you did that you, or an agent of the state and you info first laws that shouldn't have been there at all man. That's a fucking, tough, build a swallow. The fact that you may have killed some people, there's people out there who have put bullets in
in people just for growing marijuana, something out of the ground or for being an afghani adolescent. You know think about all the soldier. That's what the PTSD is all about right there coming back and then like, If I interviewed three, that's on my show, I did sort of a you know a series of that interviews, tangentially speaking available on Itunes. Thank you Joe and yeah? That's some of the stuff that comes up. You know it's like if I can shoot because you're there and that's what you do and they moved, and they had you know whatever it terms with it. You know they just have to come to terms with it. We have to come to terms with it because it's cowardly to continue to fucking, enforce a god. Damn thing even though you know that it's no longer relevant, there's no, no to do it. There never was a need to do it. You just have to take the bitter pill and go through a few fucking days of feeling guilty. You know and understand that what you did was wrong, what it's a really
thing to say, but the problem is until the laws get changed, it's not gonna seem real to people that are are still caught up in the the haze of culture right. You know, because culture has kind of a haze like you get sucked into it and you're in it, and that's why people do different things in different places and it seems normal to them, and then we Yeah, there watt they eat with sticks. What do they fucking crazy? Well, they know about spoons, it's like culture. Becomes the norm. It becomes what you accept had right now our cul sure accepts the fact you get locked up for drugs and you don't your kids to be a druggie. You don't want your kid to be a loser, because they've become potheads, become lazy. We have these thoughts that were really all the seeds were word in the 1930s, with all those crazy reefer madness movements means the same stuff. It just is gotta, less and less ridiculous, but no one like even to this day. If you talk about getting high talk about smoking, pot,
the vast majority of people, look at the same way as if you say I got fucked up, I we went and drank, and I got hammered also blasted, but there's a very big difference in what it's doing your body. One of 'em is closing off awareness. One of 'em is opening up awareness and were put him in the same category, and this is not a knock on alcohol. I'm a fan of alcohol enjoy it, but it's a completely different experience, but when you explain it to people they'll, look you the same way. I you guys get stoned, clear, right heads, you know, meanwhile, you got stoned and might of realize exactly was wrong in your relationship and you know and and try fix your life and I wrote something down. It's going to be like the new chart, the new path of your destiny. Like more, he got drunk and shit in your neighbors long as you thought it would be. Cute Look at it is cute. Put it on Youtube were talking. Is that cat fucking line, and they get me man, no man, no man we promise we were going to talk about that.
You're talking about man. That thing where you're like well well. Well, guess: you're, high right now, that's deep n korean level conditioning that's what it's so different than people in North Korea praying that leader. It's when you have been, if you, depending on How old you are? You have been in a war, the war find drugs, it's a real war, it's a war where people have been killed and imprisoned and as part of all wars propaganda. You have to have propaganda me and money, but you have been conditioned by some very intense brain watching that was created by the CIA to try to control your mind, and so you have been infected with propaganda. If you think that should be illegal? You are a victim of the drug war and uh. Another fucking casualty the drug war. Truth, man, I was thinking like how much I'll tried to my mom, I was in high school, taking LSD having these powerful life changing experiences, beautiful XP.
This is where I was realizing so much about society and myself. There's a lot of shit. I didn't understand and I would have loved talk to my mom about it, but I couldn't talk to my mom about it, but is my mom found out, I was doing fucking lsd. She would freak out and parents they go through their kids drawers. They become agents of the state there digging through their kids drawers to try to find a subset. That has been on the planet for a very long time, marijuana or a substance like LSD, that is profile soundly beneficial to a person who takes it in and the right way and they've become agents of the state and they're they're forcing this did in their house in the home, which should be a place of absolute truth and trust and acceptance and growth. It is been transformed into this kind of weird gulag. It's been turned into this bizarre prison place where the parents, somehow I've, got to enforce these absolutely are
arbitrary laws and that we can. I don't think that anyone is ever going to be able to calculate how much damage that it's done to society, that we have placed our teens into a position where they have to fucking lie to their parents, about having the most profound experience accessible via chemicals. With this long, I would think that you shouldn't fuck with any Anthea any psychedelics while you're you have a young developing mind. Well, I'm not one of them. I mean I can't I can't be. I did it through all all through high school, and I absolutely am so grateful to that. I'm so grateful the information stream, because I and the internet man you know my encounter with what LSD Was- was through pure Government propaganda like it was like finding books where it talks about Timothy Leary's, an insane lunatic who lost his mind that paints a picture of people who are advocates of the
psychedelic experiences being some kind of evil draw, ugh, addled old lunatics is suppose being what they really are, which is rebels and he heroes and are completely insane war or that is destroyed, countless lives. So I didn't. I wasn't able to like go on the internet and look this shit up and find out that indeed, the experience that I'm having, which appears to be beneficial, is truly beneficial to a great many people. All I had was bullshit like you're going to you know if you take five hits of acid Europe legally insane, that's been people always say or the old. Lastly, I made sure to take five, so I'm covered. If I do something good uncovered, I can verify insane but what's my mind, but I'm gonna do my chocolate from the 1940s from now on. That's why I'm insane Duncan paint say what do you mean and by this beneficial
Well, it's sad! You know it really is, and what's really sad about is, like other wars, the cat, casualties. You know we build walls with names on them in other wars, but in this particular war. So many people who are just farmers and alchemists or laying in their graves? nobody realizes that these were heroes. These are people who were in the face insanity making decision that, regardless of what the state was telling him to do, that we're going to follow their hearts and a lot of them wanted? well for a lot of them are in jail. There were a little go prisoners adult, or that said this is very strange. How hard it is for us to break the momentum of habit, and that's part,
what's going on is is a momentum of habit that looks at all these things as being negative well and there's a a governmental system. It's supremely unresponsive to new ideas right because of the way Congress is set up, but one of things is changing that I think, is what's happening in Colorado. The tax revenue yeah in Oregon yeah and one yeah, but Colorado is a longer history of it right. Now they've made more money for the first time ever from marijuana in taxes than they do. Alcohol and crime goes. Yeah crime went down, drunk driving, went down, crime went down to record levels, drunk driving, real estate? One us nineteen percent prescription overdoses down down, because people are using marijuana for pain, control and tourism. Up a girl yeah moving in already time. This is negative. Two hippies freaks,
not a lot of lazy. Moving into a lot of hippies extracted like metal. Fine, I slipped in Terence Mckenna is better the other night. Well, you jerk off. I felt it no, no, no shot of the beautiful Where is Terence Mckenna's, bad? Well, it's a bed. He slept in often in Mill Valley, yeah, it's awesome wanted by his house in the big island, but it burnt down burned down with, like thousands of books, yeah yeah, how the fuck does house burning Hawaii, I don't know rainforest. He lived in a rainforest, yeah volcanic eruption, yeah, it's called girlfriend with kerosene. You want me to fuck you guys know I'm nominated for porn award. Did I tell you that yeah Avn Award wow so good yeah best, not sex scene in a movie? What movie was it's called marriage, two dot, zero and uh
I'm up, I'm up against RON Jeremy, Dick Chibbles, yeah dance break and has nothing to say Duncan a lot about her. Congratulations for, given some amazing. I hope you win well. I was going to ask if you guys would go to Vegas and accept it on my behalf. Send Redban he'll, be there anyway get it for us yeah. I, those things just seemed like too much sadness for a guy with daughters, the head of the Avn awards. Just definitely maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's a party bra! This is all like cam girls. Now, that's like the majority of what it is. I think there is. I just read about documentary about the shift in pornography that, like the way that pornography is that industry is kind of disintegrating because Internet toll free one of the many fucking disrupt internet is disrupting everything management from the horn to taxi cabs,
everything is getting reconfigured by it. It's so fascinating. It's unbelievable! It's a very weird time: not just taxi cab, told you rental cars, this skirt rental, car company. They just drop your rental car off and then they pick it up later, like they bring it to you sort of like uber for rental car. So we could just get a sofa in there. We'd be in Duncan's. Future is well. You need a song for some sort of a pod. I will they should make cars with care right, so you actually sit backwards in the car and look at a screen. That's projected of it's in front of you and you drive backwards. Do you think about, if you're in a collision, you're good if you're driving backwards, not really if you're going to get crushed to get crushed- and it's not good to not know when you're impacting
No virtual re, it's as if you're looking out the windshield, what you're actually shifted backwards in his cameras, projecting on hurting my brain, throw up constantly going? I just feel like you want car like coming at you rear, ending you. I don't know yeah you wouldn't. Is it closed? Man, did you see that the video of elom musk finally landing there right, yeah cool man yeah, it's badass, it's just like straight out of like old fifty Sci FI. It's like exactly the same thing. He did it. He landed a rocket that guy heard that he is part of a him and some uh people have said that there to give a billion dollars to create a new, artificial intelligence research center or something is there terrified,
there. You are in Moscow and the guy in England, the western hockey Stephen hawking. You know there are okay, you wanted to the guy. Thank you. She and I got it. Yeah they're, terrified and they're there yeah they're. Really. How do you sign in the alarm about artificial intelligence and the idea is artificial intelligence right. You are right to the phone. Sorry, sorry, honey, just mention it check my texts. I did give me your thoughts on this, right exactly, could slowly understand what I did just busted. Both of us, like my impression of you, can't help it yeah yeah fucking things are heroin, they pull you. You just want to check. Maybe the next week
The amazing do some is gonna. Send me the crews are a change in my life when I read it and I'm just gonna learn. But do you read articles? I I find I store the home, I'm like a squirrel in October man, I got so many tabs been in so many things in ever know to read later I'll, never read all the style, but I've got this inquisitive thing like well. That'll be interesting, I'll save that that'll that'll go in there and then, and it's the mass it's a massive, I'm like a hoarder, an intellectual mass. May I try to practice mindfulness when I'm going through my phone, so I kind of watch myself as I'm doing it to an because I know I'm addicted and I can see what I mean. Is there really awful pattern? And it's like you, when you go through it and you analyze like what's happening. You you see that it is a form of drug. You see that you are getting like little hits off of it. You are getting like weird little like moments of
it's strange information intoxication like you get these little like up, ticks like when you find a particularly like oh shit, fucking vice documentary on liberation of the city in Iraq, whoa there's a cat eating a fucking man's leg, holy shit, uptick, uptick uptick, reading these like weird little hits and it's kind of cool, and it keeps you like stuck in a cycle, but that pull your talking about man. There is I I had this like awesome, goth friend, who is into like god I can't member, if it's the day, the differentiation between death, metal and black metal, and I always get in trouble for mixing him up, but like he was like explaining to me about lod, vague, Burzum, I get the whole story mixed up. It basically is it. Now these guys are actually burning down churches and they were really hard
Corman. So he plays this Burzum. This death metal, for me is like listen. Are Super Stoney, look, listen, listen, I'm listening to it he's like TIA, feel of the pole. It's like shit man, I do a little bit. I know what you're talking about. It's got a weird dark little gravity to it that if I allowed it to, I could see how I would start getting more and more and more into it. It's the same with these fucking phones, man. They have a true. We weird magnetic subjective magnetism, where you always feel it's almost a physical feeling. Man, like you, almost feel pulling your attention towards it. There like black holes for Tensional, it's interactive! That's the big factor, the big factor. It's interactive! You click on things. You can make things happen. You can open things, look at pictures, so one of the things that people like about it damn you're clicking on it, and you look at that picture. Look at this picture. I want to comment and you're, interacting in that interacting, is like some bizarre introduction to a new type of society. This is
this is these. Are the first steps, these social media steps. These are the first steps, this new type of into did communication that we're experiencing, but like we're talking about with the city, the city set rates us from the realization that we are just temporary beings collecting is needlessly because we're only going to be here for short amount of time, but yet we spend all of our focus. Trying to be cute. Wait, the largest pile of shit before we die at that's. Sort of the same thing is going on with phones. It's the same thing, and it's going on with everything- it's like it's slowly like pulling us into its trance the more we feed into it. The more we work hard, the more they'll make more. These, the more they'll make better ones of these more. These things will deeper and- deeper, integrate themselves into your life until the point where their symbiotic until the point where that new Google contact lens we've seen that
locals, coming out with a contact lens. You knew it would happen, God, damn contact lens gonna, be Google Glass, the contact lens, no yeah. I know it's going to be able to tell your blood sugar if you're project on the show it does too and everything. So you can see Shawna, it's gonna do everything, because you can have like porn going on your left on a twenty four seven ation you're right. I point you left Look into my eyes. People see it again. People seems like looking stupid, tiny little. It's just it's a matter of time. It's under time before they create eyes that are better than these eyes sure these eyes that we have that. I need reading glasses now to read things that are fine print. I can't I can't read a book anymore. I have to have a pair of glasses, I'm reading a book about how to strengthen your eyes when uh
reading glasses. When I read the book, it's hilarious yeah, you know if the other myopia is is like out of control and they say it's because kids are indoors all the time. I think you probably have multi touch screens this woman in Caddy, Bowman, Katy, Katy Bowman, was on the show and one of the ways described it as a cast. She said if you are, if you're always looking at something that's the same, it was Katie Bowman the product, this up pretty sure She was saying if you're always looking at a certain distance certain space, then that becomes like a cast. So if you put your many cast in the muscle atrophy's, but when you're outside, like a normal person, is looking at things that are close, you're looking at things that are far away and it doesn't distort lens when you're staring at a screen, all the time, which I am all the time, either doing the podcast or going online or whatever that fucks with your eyes. That's why you know people who would read all the time would get glasses and people would coral
but, like I fucked up his eyes from reading like he would always say that, then they would sit all that's bullshit. We don't do the light or some bullshit. If you read enough you're looking at that space's right in front of you only something really close up fox with you right, yeah also masturbation makes you go blind. No, no! No! That's true right Not if you use your left hand that you just need balance. It's all about balance. You need balance, but this is this this this. This thing we're talking about is: aren't they finding out that there's actually something about the like the energycap be, radiated from the things at night like it. With your sleep cycle to I get yeah the one with the blue wave like that to get get f, dot blocks. L! U X, it's great in fact I just interviewed a sleep scientist two days ago in San Francisco. Really interesting. Guy does research at Stan for Dan Party, and we were talking
that it's the it's. The the blue end of the wavelength, which is what you get from sunlight yeah, affects the centers of your brain. That sort of tell you what time it is in your circadian rhythm and yeah. So as you Tord evening, you want the light to glow more and more gold, yellow and eliminate. Blue, so this app just automatically filters your screen based upon where you are and what time it is. It's good. It helps with the sleep, because, if you're looking at blue light right before you go bed, your brain thinks you're in the mid day. You know that makes sense. You have a new plane that they're doing they're, creating the do plane going to make it uh open, fiber and they're going to adjust the light in the plane to match the right in the area you're going, so that your arcadian rhythms, don't get interrupted. No windows yeah an apparent ok in doing this. Somehow another they're going to eliminate the the type of jet lag that a lot of people suffer from
because by the time you arrive, you're already calibrated yeah yeah. I don't know how the fact they doing that doesn't make any sense to Maine I've. Sixteen hour flights, I've seen this- I heard about this new kind of light that they have that you can put in basements that somehow perfectly replicate sunlight so that it's! I don't know it's amazing, but super laid well not occur to those two man is called hydroponic growing tomatoes fucking go down, Ventura, Blvd and there's like fifteen different stores selling you indoor tomato growing supplies. Member. When I used to just think that's what it was like shit there's a lot of indoor farmer, another heirloom specialist. Well, did you hear about the former FBI agents whose house got broken down? They broke down the door,
see ea DEA agents. I think they shot their dog. I don't know that they love to shoot dogs. You it's in the constitution, arrested them and then found out that they were just really growing tomatoes. They literally were growing tomatoes. So these people were for agents. These guys were retired agents to try to grow some vegetables, make a nice salad and they gotta fuckin gun to their back. That's mother, some karma karma. Now I guess said well at least, if not karma, there's a recognition of the system that you participated in for most of your adult life right. There's your karere! Here's! What you did you this machine, a machine, that's looking for too much electricity being used in your basement, which could be indicative of plant growth of plant growth in your house. Well, you fucker, you're, probably a criminal time to kick your door in with guns. Think about that. But God damn it. We talk about this all the time. But if you really, let yourself accept the fact that right now at this moment,
hangover, neighborhoods or high tech helicopters scanning the the third there radiation from the houses to find now, if inside their growing plants that aren't accepted by the state, that's really beardman it that's! Why I'm leaving I'm going back to Spain, where they don't do that shit? They don't do that. There will do the Portland either though Dude say Portland. I don't have the resources go to Eugene that I could definitely not do it in like Eugene NICE, but have you seen the new radar that they have now where they can look deep or x ray? They look deep into your house taking in your house and see or silhouettes as you can watch people fuck like they could look this screen and literally see you inside your house blinds drawn banging wife on the bed, but who wants to see two skeletons? I really Why not? I don't think it's just. I think it's like a think. You could see images like and see the outside of the body as well. It's not just a simple
Like you see, the scale will eventually you'll see I'm sure they'll figure out a way to interpolate whatever data they're gathering and turn it into something isn't shadows. This is a matter of time and it's a overtime, any technology that is being controlled. Does state, because it's too expensive for normal people to obtain eventually more than likely will become less and less expensive in eh. We will have it so if right now, there's some some insane technology that peep we're using to look through walls and see, shadows fuck. Then it's at what one thousand and fifteen years before it's going to be something that you could just order. Or something that you can download on your super sophistic. Like drones. For Christmas, and now my Rosie is using Mobile X, Ray vans to spy on unknown targets patrol Why your friend of mine used to work for the company who makes those and what they were doing was they were scanning container ships coming in and out of the country are coming into the country, so they could look for drugs
without opening up the containers. Look what this says stop right there for second New York City won't reveal how often cops bombard places, vehicles or people with radiation, or if there are health risks for residents, they won't reveal it. I don't talk about. Technology was used in Afghanistan before being loosed on US streets. Each x, Ray Van Cost, an estimated seven hundred and twenty nine thousand dollars to eight hundred and twenty five thousand dollars a big fucking difference. I will not talk about anything at all about this New York police. Commissioner, Bill Bratton told a cheering, though you paid for it wow yeah, how's, that for all the range of security and counterterrorism activity that we engage in one, he added they're not used to scan people for weapons, but you know: what's hilarious, Dave use the terrorist acts like various terrorist acts all across the world to catch people selling drugs because they could sell to bugs as an act of terror. Falls under like they? They dispatched some New Patriot act. You know that right, yeah
Patriot act that was like quiet leads secretly passed is that the CI essays? What I, whatever the it is yeah one where like where, where Obama said, I'm going to watch star wars, the merely just sign this demonic thing, and that yeah it's scary. Well, this I mean there's a lot of leeway now for like what they can and can spy on you for what they decide to look into your life. For so let me if we follow up what you were saying about how something controlled by the state it's miniaturized and cheaper and eventually becomes available to everyone. If we apply that something to weaponry, I've been thinking about this for a long time, new, they are getting smaller and smaller they've got suitcase nukes. Now, God yeah. More convenient. It's still enough to carry one of our jet pack, new content, so are we You come to the point where any the terrorist group so called terrorist group- and I use that word in air quotes- can
have access to these things. What's that going to mean to world politics, are we going to come to a point kind of like every? Switzerland has guns. You know that this philosophy, if everyone had guns everyone would chill out and be nice to each other, are, going to come to that point internationally, where, if p they're grieved enough, they can really fuck up the game, and so then the attention will shift to not having people so aggrieved. 'cause right now. We don't give a fuck right, we'll go blow him up if there, if that pissed off they're going to forest, then will send drones in Kilama, but if they could come for us with the speed boat, an nukes, is that a game changer? Do you think the whole thing just shift to another level and stay with us and have to address the the root of the problem? If it was that accessible? Yes, so anything in it. That's the idea: it's like the ultimate state we have an armed society is a polite society.
It's almost like the ultimate expression of that I get a well armed. Nuclear society is fucking, super polite, imagine knocking on your neighbors door and tell him his dogs barking too loud when he's wearing a fucking nuke vest flow at the base and my dogs making too much noise the fuck it man I want to take care of him. Do you want the dog going to hit this button? Let's just do this, I'm going to wipe out the whole block you're talking about I I didn't interview up a very good point. I didn't interview at Singularity University in in in in he brought up this exam things any any an which is that you know he was expn being in terms of bio weapons that people are creating these, like, apparently or like fucking around with jeans in their in their garages, and they I was saying like things like the ability to launch satellites and just about anything you can imagine, he what he said- and I
I think he may I mean I don't know he didn't say he was exaggerating. We said we're looking at if technology continues to accelerate, as it is we're looking at a point in human history, where anybody if they wanted to could destroy the entire planet or cause massive damage, and so you think to yourself all right. Well, let's imagine that that was the case and somehow, by some miracle, every government in the world said we figured out a way to address everybody's personal issues. There was still going to be one or two more likely one thousand people who are like now, that's cool man, but I think I'm going to detonate this nuclear bomb that I've created in my 3d printer get from fucking. Who knows how I mean it's a big question mark or something even worse than that. So this thing what you're talking about, I think, is the that awful race, Terence Mckenna,
I talked about that were in, which is that here we have this race between absolute destruction and some kind of via technology that doesn't even exist. Yet in some kind of utopian awakening. I know this kind of stuff probably makes you want to punch me, but I never not going swimming wanna hug you, because it's ridiculous, but but but these are these two These are these two races that are happening right now. One of them is without question. Technology is going to get to the point where every single human has access to some. Kind of device more powerful than any other human in the past ever had access to, and the question is Is that going to happen before some other form of technology emerges that makes us all unifying to one organism or some beautiful thing happens. I mean it's a pretty terrifying.
It's a terrifying relay race man. It really is it's tear. It's not really. Races, terrifying, race and Isn't that kind of always the case like we need some sort of a problem to overcome it. We need competition we need to yen in the Yang. We need a dark and a light. We need. You know we need a tide, we need like a cycle. It's almost like. We need this resistance of like us, building towards this technological singularity. Almost it's going to be in your fucking, Iphone and and everyone's gonna have the ability and was like. Well, we we have to fix humanity in order to have this happen, yeah the only way the we're gonna survives. We fix manatee, and so you know what I been thinking? This is something I don't never talk to an economist about this, but in my own stupid head, I think- we're going to run into a bottleneck with technology, and I think one of the big bottlenecks is technology is all about access to information technology like it's what's going on? It's like what your ability to do things, whether it's to project
images on screens or to download things faster or to number crunch, or the various different things the technology can do. But what were you using it today, what big factor is the abyss to exchange information and the access to information and the access to each other, and it seems, like getting closer and closer and closer right access is getting quicker. Yeah is more information. It's easier to get to the boundaries between people are getting smaller and smaller. What's the bottleneck bottleneck is going to be money and thing is ones and zeros. That's money is money if ultimately, all, information becomes available to uh people at all times. That's ultimate enlightenment right instantaneous information constantly available to everyone. Well, isn't money information. Now, because my not sacks right you're, not talking about a you know, I've I've got fifteen bushels of gold. How many you got our wind, you know no we're talking about some weird ones and zeros and plastic that makes these ones and zeros transfer
your magnetic strip. You slide on the machine you in your numbers like this, not real anymore, it's information and in which transferring our money to information. The call Nick is going to be money. We're going to come to this Ultima point where we realize like we can't protect money anymore. We can't you can't ok. This is Duncans money. This is Chris is money because it's maybe just my is going to be just money and maybe they'll be some sort of a merit based you system where you can have access to money or use money will have to figure out some sort of a way around it, but it will have to be some sort of like ethical, and we all agree on if I'm looking at it correctly and I'm looking at all of this. These trends that lead to looking quicker access to information, more and more availability of that information, access information becoming universal. What's the money, money's information, it's ten, that's all it is well. How are you going to stop it if that's the trend of the trend ultimately become
instantaneous. Constant access to all information for everybody, no secrets not exist anymore, they don't exist. I can read your email, you can remind right well communicating with each other. That's it there's! No more secrets: how is money fit in there and less? We go back to fucking collecting clamshell, and put him on strings, and this is this is look how many knots I have on my string. That's why but you still have silver coins and shit. What do we do, but I would question the premise that money ever was real you seem to be saying that we're reaching a point where will no longer be real, like bushels of gold that's just symbolic too? I don't think money ever was anything more than agreement between people that were all going to pretend. This is real. It's true right because it localy your money is different and someone in Greece, you mean you go with your money, there there's some things change. You have to make an agreement, you accept my money, will access your money, but it's not really worth a dollar. How much is
first over here: seventy five cents goddamnit, but last month it was one dollar and twenty five cents well times have changed. We don't like your money as much anymore and they make deals. Are central Bank who staffed by people? We don't know, I mean, there's a lot of mystery at the heart of it just to be able to go to Canon. It was Canada and it was awesome. We do Montreal and you get like one dollar and fifty cents for a dollar or something like that, and it was amazing. Food would be cheaper. Everything will be, like all your money goes a long way in Canada and then shifted in the can, as we come to America, because the money would go a long way here, their money was worth more than ours. Have you ever to grant Morrison yeah, you know, grant you on the show. He's man he's member and Morrison is a. He writes a bunch of incredible comic books, one of them I'm super into right now or graphic novels, a called the the Invisibles, but he's a really small. There's, there's a grant Morrison lecture, I he was like a disinfo gathering and he gives this really cool lecture
there's talk and one of the things he said is that the super elite. They we have gone back to a barter economy, because money- doesn't mean anything to you if you have billions and billions and billions of dollars, so the normal way to get someone to do something is to say, ok, I'll, give x dollars for you to do this thing, but if you've got infinite money and someone asks you to do something- to give you more money to add your infinite pool of money. It's not an incentive anymore, you're, not incentivized by money. So it's more like what can you do for me? What they're there? It's like a it's a! It goes back to some kind of weird, maybe we're going to barter power, maybe you're, going to what are some access, or something like that. But money is irrelevant to the super. Lee money only means something to people who are in lower middle class once you have an infinite amount of this shit, it's completely an app absolutely irrelevant, which is what you're saying everything then theoretically would have to go back to some weird barter
hi to me where they would never gonna reach point of alternate resources where everyone has the same access things. The super league does because it's just not enough stuff. Well, this is where you get into like this is where you get into that idea of experience generation. You know like if we get to it. Like you, Google, this thing you're talking about Google contact lenses, it's not going to stop at the I like ' technology, is doing the thing to us that the fucking face suckers on aliens. Do it start how far away it was our phones? It was our computers, then it like it was on our desks. It was a nice safe distance. Then it got into our pockets tried to climb onto our face with the Google glasses, but nobody like that, but now it's getting into our eyes and it's not going to stop, but our eyes technology is going to merge with our consciousness, then urges with our consciousness. The theory would be that it could somehow create it experiences that were indistinguishable from reality, which means that really, what's that
France, there is no more. You can't we're already using bionic parts on people right, sure, hips, yeah, now all sorts of stuff. My wife does ocular implants. She is lenses surgically implanted in her own eyes. Yeah. This is I mean this is not new stuff, they're doing artificial knees, they're doing all right, so hips yeah I mean how long is it going to be before someone comes along and says: listen Duncan you have two choices. You can either glasses. You have two thousand four hundred vision. You know we have classes for you and that's fine. If you enjoy it or is a really simple procedure takes five minutes, we replace your eyeball with an artificial. I you don't feel any pain, but you have to put up with ads every sixty seconds. Ok! Well, you can click that bad. You can click the add you just reach up. Touch the accents you blink? This is what's the name of that that thought: experiment about the ship somebody ship You know the one where it's like. It's like the idea is like
a sailor is sailing across the ocean and the masked he needs to replace the mast. And so places the mass and then he replaces I can't understand you know that's a different ship gets there, it's all new parts, but it's still is ship. So it's like with technology it's the same thing like what? If we keep replacing ours there, it is the ship of Theseus, that's it yeah, so yeah the idea is when is when do we when what is Hannity or when do we stop being the whole idea about downloading consciousness, right to figure out a way to put consciousness into a computer? And how do you know when you've done it like? How do you know what consciousness is I mean is consciousness inexorably at attached to your physical being or is Khan. This is something that's out there that you're, just you're your consciousness is riding around this meat wagon right is that what's going on, we don't there's no agreement on that. Also, we need to define what we mean by human, because I would argue that we've already left human x
variance and we're already well into something else? What would you call it that were into they equate it to. You might know this that every locust starts off as a grasshopper, and what happens is there's this particular. The best example is in North Africa. Is this species grasshopper that when the density, the population density gets tight sufficiently tight, there's a trigger point and jeans are triggered an activated in the body, the pre listing gene? So it's the same dna, but it changes the shape of the head changes. The legs changes the coloration and changes the behavior and that's when they be locust and swarm, and so I I think that humans are like the Grey supper locus, and I think that with agriculture we became locus and started swarming and we're well into swarm behavior. At this point, and so for the sake of argument, I would say Hugh,
then the way I would define it is Hunter Gatherer, which is ninety five plus percent of our time on the planet. That's who and behavior, and what we are now is shifted into this other. You could say artificial, you could just say emergent, behavior pattern that can flicks with our grasshopper Nis right and that were so bring from that's what this latest book is about, and so you know, I would say, we're no longer human. It's like we're a bunch of poodles talking about when we stop being wolves. You know I'll tell you this. If I was a fucking locust and there was a grass operate, it's like you're, not a grasshopper anymore, I'd, be like awesome 'cause I can fly I'm flying. I've evolved. This is our major agreement here you want to be a grasshopper, I'm cool being a locust, but
but it's it's an interesting thing right. Well, what I think you saying is is more inherent biological happiness into remaining a grasshopper or remaining a human right. That's why the things that make up that resonate most deeply with us are the things that reflect that yeah. He added on for life. You hunting, for example, you're not having trouble focusing your mind when you're hunting, if you don't come, see outs and yeah, it's it's there's you're tapping and if you ever caught a nice fish, yeah fishing before so I know that feeling when you catch a nice fish, there's a lego feeling yeah is a primal reaction and I'm saying a nice fish because it's easier for people to accept because it's a cold, blooded animal. Something about like saying, there's something about. When you get a nice deer in your sights and you ready to end its life, people are no right one of about to eat. There are no, but you see a fish. They go. You gotta fish, they eat other fish.
Whatever it is for whatever reason people don't care. If you catch a fish, they don't give a fuck. We differentiate We have more value in warm blooded animals. Then we put in fish for but it can't scream. I mean I think, if what is Mitch Hedberg's got that great joke like thank God, the fish can't Frank. Is the ocean would be the scariest ways that touches me here by fish Jack each other. That's true, that's right, but there is something about their expressionless Nis that make some people. I think they don't take care of their young. That's a big one, like this woman said that one of the reasons why she eats fish, which doesn't check in or any other animals. I go why she goes Wolf, don't take care of their young. I was like damn it gangster then she drew the line in the sand and they eat each other. I mean well there cannibals, like almost exclusively, I mean I mean
still universal in like trout, one of the best ways to catch trout, is of little baby Trout, Chrysler's to look like a trial, yeah large mouth bass, a large mouth bass, lores casually you catch him with those. Now they don't go. Fark is here to eat them, whatever they can eat get done, but anybody, but it's innately, inherently meaningful is what I'm saying right. The reason it's inherently meaningful is because that's the animal that we have off to be yeah, and now we live in this society. This is that's distracting us from that. Trying to sell it back in little pieces, maybe you can afford a hunting weekend in Utah at this rant and what with the What was the point where we're talking about losing their humanity? When do we stop being human yeah? I think we already have, and I think that's the major fucking ailment of our time is earlier too far is a part of it and I certainly think there's a series of reward systems in our bodies that are not getting checked off like they used to like rewards. Like fear,
overcoming fear, difficulty, physical, exertion, all these different things that people did and then the thing of seeing the fish catching there's all there's this visceral genetic response to getting a fish like you. Now you're going to eat and that in your friends are going to. Yes, when you pull up fish iloca there's this week, good feeling where everybody yet will charge like we had a successful gathering. You got something and now we can eat and that's built in built into your system and it doesn't exist when you go to the supermarket and you pick up that salmon steak. That's already in Saran Wrap and it's already gone. Styrofoam bottom, that you don't feel a damn thing, you don't feel any, but the the same amount of nutrients. It's very strange. What we've done! We've done, we've completely removed all the natural elements while needing those natural elements. At the same time, so we've removed any connection that we have to like we're eating. This Chris has brought this amazing
damn. What is this stuff called again come on? Habu, go it's delicious and explain it, because it's a really cool way. They they make it right. It's this! It's made from pigs that are the same race of pigs that the Romans brought to Spain originally two thousand years ago there it's, but the Negra, which means Blackfoot, and this is So in spanish ham there are different gradations and this is the highest gradation, and all they do is eat acorns. They live out in these big open fields, beautiful I've. Driven through there in Extremadura, on my motorcycle and then they are cured its it's not cooked at all. It's not smoked. It's cured with salt law, lots of salt and then hung up in certain temperature, and how long is it good for how is it sit for forever yeah and you can buy these? I mean I would love to bring you one, but I don't think they let them in the country, but you by the whole leg. Well, like a whole, and that's cured yeah and in most spanish houses, they'll have a ham and it will be there and so they've
this whole Duran. You have a long knife and you slice it really thin. So it just doesn't go bad at all. No 'cause, it's cured, that's incredible that you I have a whole ham leg sitting out all the way inside yeah, that's crazy! So you put you put a towel over it or something so that flies don't get on it and that's it. You know, and it can be there. It's a traditional thing around Christmas to give a gift of a ham. And in it'll last you know five six months, whatever till there done eating and that's crazy. So my point being that this meat is in front of us, it's delicious. It was from an animal that wasn't even alive on this continent. Someone killed it in. Spain did all this stuff to you brought over here we're eating it. We have zero connection to any of those activities, but we don't have feeding, it is delicious, were loving it, but it's all
I'm not as much as if we'd raise the pig in bed and involved in the process. Well, I cooked a ham. I spoke to him. I haven't done one for about six months, but the last one I did was an animal that I shot and I smoked it in my You know I'd brined it for six days and then I smoke there's like this big project that I did and yeah it was a way different, sort feeling when you're eating is like, like I have a leg, I have pig leg of a full ham on the bone. It's about that big at sitting in my freezer that I'm eventually going to Brian sometime soon and I'll. Stick that sucker in this it's like water with garlic and salt and brown sugar in it's it's in there for about six days, and then I smoke. It is like two hundred and fifty degrees for hours and hours until it's just this juicy delicious and one hundred and forty degrees in the center. So you know all the parasites. Potential parasites are dead, God, so I got a big green egg and I got say man there's nothing, there's some weird piece that come
over you what's agreement! It's it's like it's a it's! It's a really cool grill man and it's a five fire grill. So you've got it. You know so there's! No! It's not a gas grill. So you have to adjust. There's like all these wonderful dials. You have to adjust to get the heat right but yeah man like when you're sitting over an open fire cooking. It feels I mean, I know what you mean and it's like it's like this thing, like oh shit, yeah I missed this feeling like this feels what this is feels as good as when I jump into a swimming pool or something it's like elemental, or like a nutrient, your body needs that you're not getting, and then you eat it in your body is going please. Thank you. Give me more well there's also this there's moments of people throughout history have had success, hunting and eating that meal over a campfire anw you do that. That is the most rewarding of all fires like Wheaton meat that we shot like hours before from a deer on a campfire
in the middle of Montana, and it was one of the greatest nights in my life. It was amazing me and Brian Cole, Stephen Ella and my friend Ryan Callahan, a bunch of other friends where, on this show and when we were sitting around the fire were eating. I was like, I can't remember, more enjoyable meal because there fire and there's an animal that was just killed and we're cooking and preparing it together. There's all this camaraderie there's this successful hunt, aspect of it and then there's this price, no satisfaction that you get from watching meat cook over fire and feeling the warmth. But I don't know how cold it was, but there's a sense of accomplishment like we're comfortable 'cause, we're smart another, something I love sleeping in a tent when it's raining and you're like wow like are links length from me is miserable, cold drizzle and I'm warm. I got my candle lantern. I got my doobies and like
legally happy here. I love the sense of a call right, that's another great feeling, the feeling of rain when you're safe inside been in a van, even you know just to the south. So I think I think this is the key to human happiness that that were ignoring that our society takes all these things that were free and daily reality for our ancestors takes them away and sells back cheap copies along with depressants and anti anxiety, meds right. I think that that's a summation of where we are. Do you think that it's possible that we, like you, said, are no longer human, we're becoming so thing. This is a drawn out process and we're just caught up in the wake of it. Yeah word word of the mess that we're in the process of being domestic yeah yeah. Now I mean that's why I think, when you look at like the extreme per massive left movement that are just like so so focused on
like using the correct gender pronouns, do not affect, and don't use this like we're talking about with this Harvard place, mat there handing back this is like an uber domestic domestication thing. I mean almost like domestication? Well, you look at the the american male. I mean talk about getting your balls, kept man in the last fifteen years. It's become offensive to even be a man, it's become offensive to it press a happiness with masculinity right like to be able to straight yeah, but you know we term, for it look look at. I think, if you, if you look at what the real problem is, it seems to be. People have mistaken language with intent, yeah, so that so that's where the problem is, it's it. It's the words. No, I say certain words. I I mean I've been I've. Had it happen on twitter, where you get, I think I did a podcast with a
Aubrey and he said the female perspective and says someone on Twitter gets into a argument with over how house that you shouldn't say female perspective, because that's right now we're saying well, look. You know, I know about the female perspective because I see from ITALY because inside of me, I've got like a lot of. I was. I have things and side of me that so I know what that is. It's the you know, Carl Jung talking about the Anima and the animus that that there's a masculine and the feminine side of everybody that they're just in you not me bro. I know you're all free of it, but speak for yourself Bro, but it's that it's that are wimp wimp. When people get caught up in the symbol versus what the sim is representing and completely ignore the fact, like think of how many different forms of fuck there are like the term fuck, for how many different forms of the word shit there are, and all of them are intention based. You know like that, you could say it
they say, there's so many ways I could say fuck you to you like, I'm really fuck you, man or I could be like hey fuck, man and it's two different fuck use or you could do something awesome and I go to fuck you yeah exactly and then that works too, exactly or like man I'm going to fuck you Jeff. The point is: there's like every single one of these has behind it, and energy that has been in capsulated into the sound in that enerji is all that matters to me and the fact that everyone has been caught up in the sound itself and forgot in the fact that the energycap behind it is all that matters. That's where things are getting fucked up. But we were talking about earlier. We were talking about religion, right exactly and drugs right, we're talking about why people are addicted to drugs were not talking about the emptiness of their lives that leads them into those heroin, scription drugs and all that all terrorism talking
the bombs going off and people getting killed. We're not talking about how why someone's life is so empty. The you put on a suicide vest in the first place, we're not we're not and at the surface of things and we're not interested in what's going on behind. I was watching Fox news the other day and there's some woman who is on on He was doing like one of those open letter to the President things and she was doing it all Fox NEWS E. And she was saying of this country was founded on judeo christian values and she was going to this thing about responding in Obama's response to the terror attacks in Paris. Not efficiently bro Ish, exactly not sufficiently aggressive or didn't make her feel comfy. All that is on top of it. Yeah job is to keep me safe, but it's just really think that an opportunity for her to step up- and you know and yeah proclaim her ideology to be the greatest ideology and there's uh ideology. That's killing people right,
these representatives of this ideology that there's the enemy of this United States of America, which was founded by my cult right at that man since you're saying do you realize that, like that, what's that there is a kind of war, that's raging around this planet, but it's like a war against people You are for whatever reason, intent on expressing anger into the world and ten on ICS pressing power over other people into the world and people who are thinking. I think there might be another way. Maybe there was a way that we could re, adapt or maybe they are evolved to fit into the society or maybe the a whole new way where we don't have to try to constantly punch back at a person who was punched us? That's the war, it's just a war between when you get fucking hit on the interstate. When you're nice car gets hit 'cause some asshole isn't paying attention. Do you get out
scream at him. Or do you ask him if he's ok and there's a whole group of people who think no, you fuck that mother fucker up, you teach him a lesson. Let him understand that, if he's not paying a fucking attention, he's going to get fucked up, you become that. Hand of God in the world, read bringing vengeance as much as you can or the, their version of it? Is you try to overcome that desire and you become a servant of some concept, which is that the most important thing, even if we've lost everything man, even if we become locusts, and that all gone, and you know the more you talk about it, man, the more I do know what you mean by Earl, here I was like I'm a locus, but I do hear what you're saying I think it's very sweet and actually kind of tragic and sad. But if this is the case, then still have to figure out a way to like, even now as much as possible, put out into the world love and it does matter what language we're using. If love is behind it, I think that the highest thing by the way, I think, that's all, that matters is like that meal was good
because you are with people, you love. If you were sitting after that hunt with a bunch of people that you dislike your ass holes, I bet it would have been, is delicious have a meal yeah, but here's the problem with that thought it wouldn't have been as good. We had several meals behind the campfire where we didn't kill anything. There wasn't as good and also you're in a love you're in a love supporting environment that you're working together, you're in nature you're around a fire and you're successful at something is difficult. All those things even if they were assholes you'd, probably find more common ground with them there. Then you would sit around a conference table yeah. Well, there's definitely, there's also a separation from society, complete total separation when you're up there there's no cell contact. No, you don't hear anything. It's complete silence! It's a very strange feeling, of almost a lonely detachment, because you re, as you are not you not just off the grid. The grid is now to be seen, and you know
in each other yeah you need each other yeah yeah. I think that's where we come from. We come from this place where we need each other and where were the first thing you think you know like Hunter gatherers. They they share aeros and so like yeah, they typically share arrow. So I make Arroz a certain way you make another way whatever, but then I'll, give him to each other there constantly flowing. So you might be on a hunt where you shot the elk that arrow it's that you shot is in the elk, but I made it and it's a way of obscuring who gets credit for the kill, non, that's cool and- and you find these universally among foragers, whether it's in in the in a way it or in Papua New Guinea. They do these. They have these mechanisms to make sure that the sharing happens not only of the meat but of the reputational aspects So everybody's cool there, all these mechanisms built into keep anybody from getting too big for their britches until the cannibals move in
and then they start killing people and eating 'em 'cause, there's no protein, because there are now so we couldn't get any elk yeah. It's a problem that cannibals will move in those mother, fuckers gotta be ready. I love that with good news about the locus. They do switch back grass off, Well, you can be aggressive. This warm stops yeah eventually, and then you can't fly anymore. You fuck and locusts are cannibalistic in grasshoppers in art how to tie it into the whole cannibalism there yeah That's why these form, because if you slow down the one behind Julie, you all might that's we. We are like working at Amazon, that's what it's like working in New York City for what, while working on Amazon, suppose you crazy right in this warehouse run around. Actually this time you have a timer of you. Ever there was a I think it was a radio lab. Podcast was one of the podcast that I listened to the talk to an ex and Billy at Amazon about what kind of stress it is to work. I say if you order,
something like save you order of Eli D flashlight and it shows up on there. They have like a little pad like you, know a tablet device and it has a timer and it's like I have to go find this and you have to grab it and you have like thirty seconds so you like literally running looking for this flashlight and you get it to the sorting and put it in the box and get the label crazy. They had this. One is terrible game shown exactly what weather wasn't show like that. When I was a kid, we gotta run the money maze or something like that. I remember that you have to fill your card up with the most expensive things or something and will know this is a different one. This is where you got like couples, and you got so, like the wives, up on a platform and the two husbands down and there's a maze like where the walls seven feet, high and Women can see where the money is in there yelling to their husbands like rats like they'll go after I said, left in the husbands are scurrying around the maze and whoever
it's to the money pot? First wins. It's a good divorce generating game show like so many of them. What do you think? Many think it's hopeless this you like when you talk about and you talk about it and then I think about it- it's like so it fills you. This is a kind of like weirdness staff call Jay, like you think, my God, this there's a type of life that is clearly still accessible to people, but Maybe- not accessible to everyone as a whole. Do you have any idea of like how you would reorganize or research. Sure I mean what I say in the book is is like with there's no way we're going back to you. That's over right, because they're, seven billion they're, going to be ten billion in a hundred years is no way. There's not enough slander, animals or whatever, so we're going to live in an artificial environment, but you know you're going to live in a zoo. Do you want to live in the Calcutta Zoo or the San Diego zoo right?
in command, the San, Diego Zoo, it's built with an understanding of the natural environment of the animals that are enclosed there. So I want to live in a natural environment. That's got my interests in mind and in order to do that, you have to understand what kind of animal homo sapiens is, which means you have to cut through A lot of the bullshit propaganda that you've been here in your whole life, this hobbesian bullshit about how prehistoric p, all died in their 30s and it was a struggle for survival and pray Hooters looked in every shadow, and it was this terrible the dangerous world actually look at the anthropological data hunter gatherers are chilled out happy relaxed people who are not deal and with the sorts of chronic stress we are- and you here these bullshit arguments that wouldn't just a second if they weren't propping up The civilizational edifice like that everyone died in their 30s in Hunter. Gathers. That's absolutely untrue, but I just heard the dean of the Medical School of Columbia, University, say it in an NPR interview. It
it's everywhere. Now, though, first thing that happened to you die young well, there's certainly like some benefits of modern Medison, one hundred percent yeah, there's, there's also some negative consequences of our overly complicated society. There's no doubt about it, I mean the levels of depression people experience in the levels of discontent with their existence. You know we talking yesterday about people wanting to take a check pants to go, do something they want to do something outside of what they're doing for a job like. Maybe they have, maybe they like making pottery or whatever it is, but they just don't have the time. Maybe they want to be a tattooist. They just don't have the time to dedicate to judge into it and then along he gets up with debt and maybe a family that you have an obligation to feed and then you're stuck in your trap that trap that feeling of disk intent with ones own daily existence you day by day, life is more commonplace and not its way.
More common, it's essential, as you were saying, to keep you running on the wheel, you gotta believe the Rolex is going to make you happy the cars going to this thing is going to do it. That's That's a pernicious lie that that we've heard so many times we come to believe it's it's an aspect of reality itself. And it isn't right and that's that's. So if you look at the Hunter Gatherer Data, what you see is: is these people? I mean you were talking about it earlier, how we need something to like a challenge to take us to the next level for and the challenges like we're going to go hunting you know and it will feel great Ann will eat and if we don't eat them tomorrow. Well, that's why those subsistence shows, if you ever watch those a shows and discovery channel shows those shows. Extremely popular today right because people are sort of recognizing that, like wow, these people seem happy and all they have is like five dogs. They live in Alaska and they just take their sled out and they chop down a fucking tree to build a house with like these.
People were like living on? The other cincia media? See that's the thing the media's just to play devil's advocate here. Isn't this a different verb I know what you're talking about the mod inhuman thinks. If I have this thing, a car or whatever the thing is a nicer job, a better or whatever I'll be happy. What you're saying is, if I have an immediacy. If I'm more connected to nature, if I move to Alaska, if I become a hunter I'll be happy with both of these things have within them the id yeah that I need some other thing to be happy. Where is the what keep hearing and what I subscribe to you is that to be happy, you have to be in the present moment wherever you are whatever situation you're in whatever is going on, whether you're in an office in a bob you don't like in a marriage, you don't like with a bunch of kids that you don't like, instead of flu being from that by planning something Can I see it becoming a tattoo mister potter.
The real way out is to allow yourself to be fully in the experience of what's happening right now and that that Bing itself just doing that and maybe This is what happens when you're in nature is your more in the present moment. That makes way more sense when you're in nature, because if you- working in an insurance company and you just going over clients claims day in and day out. It's super hard in a joyful moment. It's super hot, be there when you really want to get out of there and make music. You have songs and ideas in your head. You want to put him to wax, but your fucking kids need formula. Well, it's not it's not! The thing is it's like the idea is sure for sure but this, is where you're at right now. That's it that's where, or you're, not out of situation, we're going to start a band and you're, not in a situation where you're going to become a potter right now could be in the future. But the trick is the even though you're not in the Fucking Anna Rondex hunting.
And you're not fishing, even though you're wherever you're at right now get into that place. Let you selfie, and it's not about happiness, is certainly not about joy or bliss, or anything like that. You're not feeling joy and bliss you're feeling a kind of claustrophobic horror at the concept. What the situation you're in right now is going to continue forever and so your mind is fabricated, an escape route, which is this thing or that thing whatever it may be, but the true the true situation is that until you train yourself to be in the present moment, it doesn't matter where you are your dad you're, not alive you're, not it doesn't matter. You have to train yourself to get in the Moma. Then once you're in the moment then start Okay. Now you say in the moment like how do you address that was work when you're thinking about you being in the moment, like your own personal experience, yeah? What do you? What do you do to try to achieve that sort of centered feeling? Well, it's it well, it's that practice of
a mindfulness. So it's the idea of you know what it's. I will notice time to time when I'm lucky that I've been care get away by my thoughts like that fucking thing: you're, about laying in bed. You can generate more stress chemicals, I'll recognize, like holy shit. I've been in a vortex of thinking for the last two days. I've been caught, it's like endless recurring series of work These are scenarios or whatever it may be, or things I need to do or things I I just did and suddenly I realized I have been here at all at all. I've just been caught up in what's called in your head, you're caught up in the thought patterns, so the the practice is and this is something like you Know- Jack Kornfield talks about the guy who taught in meditation Arjun Cha was saying to him that
with his students, was saying I'm too busy to meditate I'm too busy to metadata have time to do that and his response was: are you too busy to breathe or you too busy over? You can breathe right. That's all you need do all you need, is your breath and no matter where you are what your doing where you're at you could have been to put your attention away from the incredible array of worries that you have incredible array of fantasies that you have incredible arrays of. If this, it happened, I'd be happy here or if I could do this I'll, be a better person and just bring it to your breath in and out and through the nose out through the nose, and then it's not going to stop these fucking thoughts, but instead of you being in controlled by them and caught up in them we talk about looking at your fucking cell phone, get rid of cell phones, people are still looking at cell phones, it's just their various worries and things that they're constantly ruminating over it's another form of the cell phone you're fixating on these-
in less reccuring worries, so you bring it to the brat. The worries emerged, the happy, this whatever it is, is there, but it's not you you're, identifying with it anymore, you're, not identifying with the space thick emotional state, the specific into actual state, the specific thing anymore, you're, just observing and watching, and that thing that conscious, the more you become that the more you will find yourself experiencing what you were talking, these rare moments of peace, these moments of like whoa, holy shit, Org part of what's happening around me. I'm still centered untouched Une freaked out Une anxious, I'm just watching. So that's that's the at the concept in and it's a very hopeful concept because some people do not have access to the kind of zoo you're talking about prisoners. For exam
people who are incarcerated right now. They don't get to get out of that system. So they have to find a way in the midst of all all of that negative phenomena to allow themselves to experience the same kind of peace or tranquility that you are experiencing with your friends in front of that campfire, and that is why the concept of cultivation is so important in Buddhism, which is the idea that these experience, which move and now a lot of various and many different world religions, say it they're re. But what is so wonderful about them is love that feeling of love, which is also compared to the feeling of coming home being at home. Finding your home coming back home, it's all the same 'cause, the feeling of what is the feeling of being at home. It's a feeling of being at what did you call it? A situation of acceptance and love? It's that feeling of being sit truly safe, not safe, because of the government but safe, because you're, surrounded by people who love you and your
loving them, and you know that you could be taken care of the concept. Is that feeling can be cultivated in that cultivation starts with some form of the practice of mindfulness or whatever you want to call it. I think what you're saying actually isn't in conflict at all. With the other point, you know that, because the My phone is being here in the moment. I think, if you're like if you got a shitty job in a cubicle, an you're, trying to distract yourself from it you're listening to podcasts all day while you shuffle paperwork or whatever right you're not really being in the moment. It is advantageous to be in the moment. If it allows you to see that the moment is fucking killing you yeah that
and then you make a realistic you're not going to be a hunter gather, but you make a realistic plan to change your life yeah right man. It can be abused right, I mean, if you're in prison, that's a different deal, you're going to be there for ten years. You're not going to like don't try to escape is my advice, but if you're a if it's just a dead end job, I mean this great emailed a couple days ago from someone who I had these guys on who live in camper vans. Several, like one guy one guy fun yeah, he worked in a tiger sanctuary in Thailand teaching baby tigers, not to eat people Essentia Lee. He was like the guinea pig. It would go in and play with the baby tigers to teach them like, don't eat people. People are cool, anyway. He fluted chili bought a VW, Camper Van and drove from Chile to Alaska in this camper Van and just picked up people along the way- and you know had all these adventures for years. I think he said wow anyway, driving, yeah
yeah, I'm in off and on you know it would break down. I think he swapped out the engine five times or something and his VW vans or not known for reliability anyway. So somebody who would listen to this series of podcasts they did with people who live in their vans some guys like yeah, quit my job. My wife and I bought a van we've been in it six months. An it's fucking lot. Some! You know it's like he completely changed his life he's at thrilled. I love to hear if you live in a shitty situation like that long enough for the job you hate and bills that make any sense and for stuff that you don't even want to enjoy any more than that id of getting in a camper and just driving across the country seems amazing. It seems like freedom and it's doable the store a lot if you're, if you're willing to give up a lot of the bullshit, you know that's right, yeah, that's the thing man, my friend Steve Maxwell does he doesn't even have a camper. He just lives in hotels. He has a bag for all of his belongings, he's a he's, a person,
trainer he's like world now and he puts on these camps in seminars and stuff like that and his girlfriend. They travel all over the world. Constant travel, that's all they do. They stay in hotel to hold him and he trains, people everywhere, and he used to have a big, Jim and used to have a house, and then he went from the big german House get divorced. He got like a camper van like with like you, then it got sick of that sold that fucking things that you know what I'm just going to get everything down to a ten gallon bag, the ten gallon bag with all his worldly possessions and that's it yeah digital nomads. You know about them, then there's it's a growing thriving world of you, people who have jobs where they do stuff on the internet, right, the encoding or editing or whatever something you can do through the computer. So if your mate money through the computer. Why are you living in la where you're paying two Grand three grand, so they move places. Like Bang Cock Ecuador, there's like hot spots around the world where there are thousands of these people living out of backpacks
living guest houses and they work in cafes or wherever they get Wi Fi, and that's what they're doing and it's a funny think is there ahead of the laws right, so tax laws, don't know what to do with these people? ' 'cause you don't you're, not stable anywhere in the laws, are all set up where you pay tax, where you are right. Well, I'm two months in Bang cock, then I'm off to Chile, then I'm off here like well, who do I pay tax two and then we'll take it to the next level? What if you switch everything digital currency, you finding more and more people are accepting Bitcoin in other forms of digital currency, so they start using that to pay for the rent pay for their food pay for their hey for their travels, no record of it. Now what the and then the live in Thailand, sometimes in so yeah I was I don't. Yeah isn't that wild man, so it should be the idea of you being constrained to a patch of dirt and you have to have a piece of paper to show the other people in the other patch of dirt? So I can crossover. Can I enter new kingdom depends: did you at
important time drive your carriage under the influence of wine, not me, sir, but I was in the car with close enough denied entry to my kingdom of Canada. Out have you in a car with someone in their drunken you're sober and you get pulled over you're going to get a DUI. If you get that dps, if that person is, Dunkin you're, an adult and you're sober and that person is drunk driving? You can get a dui to know sure you can get you can get in trouble for allowing someone to drive a car. I don't know what exactly find out exactly the lawyers and how the fuck would you stream Lee similar extremely similar? If you are a believe in might be a state to state basis or might just made it up I'm pretty sure it's true. If you are drunk, I only made it up. I really hope you made it if you are drunk and you have a passenger in your car that passenger thinking get arrested as well wow.
And if they don't have a drivers license if there an adult, I think they can get arrested as well, if they don't have a drivers license at all. That's a good point. That's interesting! 'cause! Then it's like well officer. You know it took the wheel but you're driving without a license like well, but You know they want to my point being they won't. Let you in Canada, if you have a d y they'll, go off get out here. The turn around. They want. No douchebags yeah, they won't you can. If you have a violent assault on your on your arrest record, I almost got kicked out of well. Wouldn't I almost got not let into Canada had a black for having stolen a Snickers bar in Alaska in one thousand nine hundred and eighty two, oh, my god yeah I went to prison. I think I told that story, yeah yeah. Yes, yes, so that area so, but I was told like when I did I did for days. You know, and then I went before the magistrate and he said if you don't get arrested again in a year. This will go off your record and all that so for every, since, when I've been asked, if I've ever been convicted of a crime, I always said no 'cause. I feel that's not on my record. I don't want to confuse everybody and you know whatever and but
first time we went into Canada at BC ask these questions and we went and sat down and he called me up. You know no, just you not my wife and he's like Is there anything you wanna tell me about one thousand nine hundred and eighty two I said one thousand nine hundred and eighty two I don't know I was in college and I don't know he said, arrest and conviction, Fairbanks AK I don't like how far you kidding Maine and I told him I ate a Snickers bar in a fucking grocery store and it turned into this thing, but he told me it wasn't on my record. He said: well, Canada gets you. FBI, records, and so so, if you're ever so like there's a federal level where that shit doesn't go away. It's even more deep, because Eddie Bravo got arrested and never even went to jail and it shows up every time he goes into Canada, He got arrested because you work for a check, cashing company, and so we used to drive around with. Large sums of cash on him and he got pulled over by the cops cops pull
over and he said officer I want to let you know that I have a loaded handgun in the car. Here's my license to have it. They go please step out of the car, they hand column, they check everything, make sure it's all kosher, everything checks out they let him go, but that incident is on his record so when he goes into Canada, they pulled aside every time I got stuff with him. Once now I fucking. If we go to Canon together, I left to get ahead of Maine like Dell Flocka meet you outside 'cause. He gets back into that room. Then they start asking you questions too and I'm like dude at least there, Canadian yeah. I know here in the coming the other way: here's where it gets here. It is, if you can't offer convincing defense as to why you weren't driving. You may also be arrested and charged with reckless endangerment. Arresting officer will argue that you put yourself the driver and members of the public in danger by allowing your friend to drive drunk there,
This may be bolstered by the presence of other passengers in the vehicle. Wow yep you'll need to prove the paragraph before that said. You need to prove that you are not currently licensed to drive, don't know how to drive or have a medical restriction that prevents you from driving crazy yeah so, I'm kind of so you're better off being shit face. So if you're shitfaced, an your friends driving then you're, ok yeah. If you're sure face your friends driving like I wouldn't fucking drive home, drunk man, I'm so drunk, I didn't even know he was drunk. So if you pulled over and you're not drunk hit that bottle no before that comes up to the car, so splash whiskey your face hilarious. If you're hammered you're, ok, he should please play sleeping or say. I took acid more than five times, I'm legally insane. I couldn't drive Judy that real scary think about what you're talking about as far as like getting in other countries, 'cause it shit on your record. This is something that, when I end,
Frank, dare and university at Singularity University. They try to like think about like what are the implications of these technologies. So you know the the recent terrorist attack or they shot up the people that couple shut up the people in a pair, even though I think this got this present burned in a St Bernard, you know they were talking about how one of them was with. Was that profess jihadist on their face, but page and everything, but we don't check social, so whatever they've posted on Facebook. We don't do that, and you know a lot of news stations are saying. A lot of people are saying what the fuck that's crazy. You should check that. You should definitely check that. So at Singularity University there is saying what happens if the as society changes so much that shit that you've posted online and admitted to doing becomes a legal. What happens then, when all of that stuff is infinitely accessible by all future governments?
What happens when a fight guy, who knows you know this, is a scary thing to me. Will that happen right with Mccarthy? In the the right communist shocking Jeff, just that and that's the terrifying thing- and I don't want to put negative energy out there- I think we're all beings of love. Ultimately, everything is going to be ok, but but but one scary thing about when you look at like four profit war for profit conflict, and you look at the fact that there is a benefit to some awful thing: happy being in the United States on a big scale. There's a monetary benefit to a great many people, living in the United States, weapons manufacturers legislators people who are just get off on controlling other people, and you realize that it only benefits them, but there also is huge incentive for people in other parts of the world to create that event.
Knowing that all it takes is one catastrophic event, one catastrophic event wait: we're were we're like what one dirty bomb away. One new September 11th away from it experiencing one of the greatest did munitions of personal liberty that has ever happened in this country and the people who there's a lot of people who like that to happen and they're, not just terrorists, there's people who would like that to happen who run prisons there. People would like that to happen, who like who want world war three to happen because they sell there's wept in that to me is fuckin scary to think and if something that did happen and we we enter into some new are well orwellian awfulness. It in all your shit that you've posted Every single one of your podcasts show you're going first man, you know in Amida what are moving to
No, it doesn't matter you can't get into Canada. You can't get in the Fucking Canada with this stuff. You posted on your facebook page and you will know, I mean we're talking or they will let you out. I think you got to get out now. That's why I'm going to be Australia. Seems good, move, Australia, Melbourne. Nice smell was amazing. Although their sin is pretty nice, no Melbourne's got they've got some seriously strict drug laws. Man always said that I was yeah I was I was in in Australia at the we yet, no actually that was I was in using not Australia. Sorry, I think Australia is strict drug lords in New South Wales. Does Dell bring sniffer dogs around you know out in public just to try to find weed here. Fuck done. You can even wash the weed out of your hair. How do you do a deer dogs gonna smell, like they're, being a cat cat symmetry yeah? Well,
I mean, I think again, I think were there I mean you keep phrasing things in terms of like what, if we're on the verge of an I keep thinking. Dude we've been there for along time I mean eisenhowers, you know his parting speech. The military industrial complex is You know he was warning and we're in a situation after World war, two where the army doesn't stand down. All these industries that sprang not LOS Angeles, is a result of world war. Two right Ray Kathy on in Boeing there on the West Coast because they were pumping out those airplanes and ships to go, beat the Japs and then they we're looking for something to do well. They gotta keep us on a war footing forever consulted. My Harvard place Mat and you shouldn't say zap Japs.
Map, said gee. I thought I said, nips, I'm sure all my God, that's even worse. Cultural appropriation, culturally appropriating their word, cheating, nipple shadows gets me that we make up with names for countries we don't like the name they use. What do you guys call yourself nipple, we don't like it we're going to change Japan, Japan, please we just decide like there's a bunch of am like that right. Quite a few countries, isn't Greece, Greece? They don't call themselves Greece right where they call themselves. Turkey, Turkey, Turkey, No, it was a few countries on. I don't remember, nothing does the word. They use Mean Turkey. I don't think I don't know it's weird, that's the same as that bird. If it wasn't for thanksgiving with anybody, give a fuck about Turkey.
I thank the country Hunter. No, no, no! Nobody likes to eat Turkey. I mean it's good, but it's not the best, not checking is better than Turkey. Can we agree? Yeah, there's no Kentucky Fried Turkey. Yeah. There's no too, He stores now chicken stores over there is Popeyes chick in this. This Kentucky Fried Chicken of Edward Scissorhands, seeking you know we're in a knot. Turk flank you know bacon for breakfast. Is it completely an invention of this advertising. Guy yeah, he was hired by the compass. Forget the name of the company, but they're still around. In some form that hired him to sell more pork, and so he came with his ideal, like bacon and eggs? It's what's for breakfast, you got a leg integrated into the cultural trash I smile and ever since then it's been considered breakfast meat and bone. Meanwhile, it's awesome. So congratulations. He was also behind the fluoridation of with the water supply had hired by COLA because they had all these
all this, a byproduct of making aluminum, which is this flaw ride and they wanted we're going to do with all this stuff. You know we gotta find a way to sell it. Who could we sell it too, and he figured out like? Oh, we can. You know it's good for dental it'll, save everyone and get the government to that is so funny. We accept that man 'cause like if someone comes over to your house and you're like you, want water and they're like yeah and you're like do you want me to add some where I too, it would be like fuck yeah. It is a chemical that kills you so yeah. Could you put a little flaw ride anymore? It can kill you share. It doesn't take a whole lot like how much skills you like couple teaspoons full what no die with white teeth, but is that real? What's going on with dental hygiene verses, I mean it? Is it floored in the water that makes a difference or being confidential height, dental hygiene? It's made the difference in two two k and people. Well, I mean talking to take. You know, you're talking to me, I'm always going to take it back to foragers. Foreigners have amazing teeth.
There's this guy roots and shit. Well, some if there's, if there's sand in the West End Smith, what is this We put this out. This is Bernays yeah. It said that did the bacon for breakfast and he is also at responsible for flu ride in the water and then right, yeah verdict, because Jamie is his Like Dixie CUP Show and then I'm not full of I love Jameel, any thinking that they were drinking out of on set apart. What to look at this, his campaign for Dixie CUP scared people into thinking the glasses they were drinking out of, were unsanitary and could be replaced by disposable cups. Wow did you?
If we put it up, that's the same way and it was the beach not packing company. That hired him for the poor. Can't discover is amazing, but the bacon he got right got everything right mess Jed on with the bacon he's off. He also was behind the Virginia Slims thing like: how can we use feminism to get women to buy cigarettes? It's a feminist cigarette you've come along way baby. I bet that guy got laid like crazy. I bet he was just a fucking Meister and he was Freud's nephew. Oh, my goodness, we had the benefit of psychological examination under his uncle he's proud of himself like he doesn't slightly dead. He just died like ten years ago, shares interviews with him where he's like yeah. I did all this shit happy. His success ratio was amazing right now he hit every one out of the park over and over. If that's what you're trying to do- and nobody tells you it's evil mean no one really, you know what's really fucked up. Is those God Damn drug,
shells does drug commercial, your happy in their walking hand in hand, and it does, and then they start talking about explosive, bloody diarrhea, but they always do it in that voice. Yeah, I think we're being trained to ignore their voice. At the end of the thing side, effects may include one yeah yeah. I wouldn't be able to just ignore what I'm saying and what to watch a pretty picture. Ask your dog exactly about this bullshit. They should have to show you those side effects while they're doing this is this is where is out of you seen as I we did this the other day they Australia came up with this thing, all the stoner sloth and it's so stupid that people it's backfiring, causing people to smoke pot. Also, stoner sloth. If you go to stonersloth dot com, it's an actual weed website so funny about it is that it actually brought all this business too, because if you go to stonersloth dot com, dot, au
I do I don't know the exact yeah there. It is yeah, if you go to stoner sloth, whatever there site is dot au yeah, there you go. And they only sell Indica, and yeah there. It is you're worse on. We know that. So that's a you not take the a Uaf. I haven't tried it. I might embarrass myself here, but in an article I read is that it goes to a weed website. I guess not. Maybe somebody bought yeah. I don't know the government shutdown Social Network, they have asto, her sloth social network so that's social to Adam. They think it's going to turn to the next. Facebook but yeah. This is like a big embarrassment there. Let's play it because it's fucking so stupid it supposed but it's awesome and I haven't seen it hit so dumb, but it's like that. Fucking thing: here's a thing about uh!
The talking dog commercial that we all enjoyed back in the day, yeah those were made by a partnership for a drug Free America and the fucked up part about a partnership for a drug free America is they're funded by alcohol and tobacco companies and pharmaceutical companies, and my joke was that's like hookers doing commercials strippers right and it really is like them doing, commercials for spot. It's insane like they're, not against drugs. Just to just our drugs that they don't sell here. Delilah this is sloth. That's in class, you're, worse on weeds, stoner, sloth. But little did the creators now. Oh, I see that stoner slot dot com there is somebody put it down is also
I have an online cannabis product Rito, it's not it's not up anymore, though that's what's weird. I want their website got crushed, yeah, maybe stoner sloth, yeah well. This is something that Australia is doing because they're kind of behind the times when it comes to marijuana propaganda, they're still buying into some shit that we thought of one thousand five hundred and twenty years ago new. South Wales, government ads. This is so stupid, Australia, perfect if it had weed, but that's the thing about the world. There's no perfect play I know you go to the most amazing jungle, island, habitat and you know we're going to hang out with these fucking people right. You know Australia, though other than that other than their stance on Weed am Albert's mom. My favorite place. I've ever been run me a lot of San Francisco sort of cap.
Dave I'm progressive interest. Smart, very smart people should do the I did. I went down there to do this thing called the festival of dangerous ideas from you guys you guys would both fit right into the vibe. It's really cool, you get it's like TED. I think we may have talked about it's like TED, but without the sort of brand protection paranoia. Yeah, that's a great way to put it to indian protection. There, just like you know just say something, crazy and provocative, and we just want people to walk outta here talking about whatever you say and that's great bring that Shit Leon and we're in 'cause we're not getting off want to cross the ocean. Some provocative in your country when the number we still and what they do it in the Sydney opera House. That's pretty cool. Okay, if I play there that that's an awesome spot, the city's, listen too, I like Sydney as well. I, like both I like Sydney,
Melbourne was interesting because uh the food was fucking sensational, yeah lot of the asian markets for great yeah. Have you did you go up to the barrier reef and do all nouns. I didn't either is only up there for a few days for the fights and for had a couple shows you were there just recently for the rowsey things. It's amazing how wrecked your brain gets when you come back like this wrecked for days like I would workout and I would just be like, where are normally be able like ten reps or something I'd, get to like six and be like fuck? I got three more seven. Five, take two more. I just couldn't do it I go go go I almost couldn't do the same physical things that I used to do I mean I could get to it, but he was gonna. Do ten reps I'd probably get to like nine or eight, but up but getting to it would be way harder, but I was like may second believe it. Man and everyone's like you're gonna, be up for about a week from that. It's true it really does. Or
here does something weird to you, but you just feel like your battery is like broken well, this guy Dan, who does all this sleep research? This is his area like he's looking into why? Why that fucks you up so bad. Can you change melatonin and you know using different medications and different technique, He works with seals and stuff he's like hardcore guy. Apparently they're, all these techniques that you can do changing your sleep cycle before you go and- and you know time so, you wake up in a different time and all it just seems like to much trouble to meet. You know what they say to. This is very bizarre. It's way harder to go from Australia to the United States than it is to go from the United States. Australia right, like apparently that doesn't fuck up your circadian rhythms as much yeah going EAST is harder, we're just so weird because we want to think of ourselves as being like very simple. Very simple, very autonomous little beings that I just need my food, my vitamins and I'm normal now, you're like tide into the cycles of the earth itself, the light
in the literal, rising and setting of the sun, has a direct effect on the rhythm of your body, biological operating system falters. Then you throw that and it has to readjust and set things back and think about women who are menstruating with the phases of the moon. Every month I mean that's really intense, but my favorite one is when a bunch of chicks live together and they start smelling each others pussies and their their bodies, don't even realize it, but they get these coinciding mental cycles right. How strange is then, if that's happening, what other stuff is happening that we don't know about like how much are humans harmonizing with each other in other ways that we aren't even aware of well. My favorite example of that is this: Guy Bruce Vettek and in Switzerland, who did research, that's become known as the sweaty t shirt study. I don't know if I've talked about this on the podcast before so
he wanted to understand why women sense of smell is so much stronger than men's. Women can smell about seven times more than men, really yeah, which is seven time if you come home with you know, honey you're not going to get away with it that sucks for them and you need to come home smelling funny like smelling like pussy yeah, exactly yeah yeah, don't think you're going to get away with it so anyway, so he wanted to understand. Why is this in his hypothesis was that women are picking information about men's immune system from their pheromone from the way they smell, 'cause you'll, hear women often will say, like he's a cool guys, a good job is funny whatever, but the smell is not right. It's a deal breaker the snow, although say the smell now, and it's not the smells bad. It's just the smells, not rate that'll be a deal breaker for a lot of women. You never hear it did say that right, yeah, but you do see people do smell better, like some people just smell good to smell on the just moans, when a squeeze on they're all good. You know I'm not
talk about like perfumes right now, just bodies. I thought it was right. A little bit offensive. I've always felt like perfumes little offensive like I want to know. What's going on here, why you, because masking yeah yeah king with your smoke bomb thrown down? I can't trying to find out. Where is the real you in there right no ever smelled a woman like a healthy woman going man wish you'd fucking spray some roses on this bitch. France, in the old days. Well, that's a different thing right, you're dealing with personal hygiene issues, but today, when you're dealing with people that take regular showers bathe, so they don't stink just to finish, the story says check this out, because this is important knowledge for people to have so he he got a bunch of guys who were deficient in one part of their immune response and a bunch of women who were also deficient in one part, the immune response. It's called his immune, he still compatibility index and
Let's say it has five elements, so they would find a bunch of guys who are low in one or two or three or four whatever and women we had the same different deficiencies. That hypothesis was that a woman who is low, in fact or three won't be a tree. Did to men who are low. In fact, or three they'll be attracted to men who are high in fact or three, because then the babies will be healthy right. We get these guys to wear t shirts for three days and nights with no deodorant no showers, no soap, nothing and puts the t shirts in plastic bags Then he has the women smell the bags and mark on a piece of paper how attractive they thought the men were based only on the smell of the t, shirts right and he found with eighty percent of the women. They chose as as he predicted that they chose the men high in the thing that they were low in and they avoided the men who were low in the thing that they were lowing, but in about twenty percent, they seem to be choosing randomly. So he back and looked at the women again and found that those twenty percent were on birth control pills.
So the birth control pill short circuits. That response was so think of how many couples have gotten together when those she's on the pill and they both like Louis Ck Joes, looking into shows look at into the distance with Shannon pill. When I met her. What about this? In an interview in San Francisco on the PBS station down there an as I'm talking the guys going making the gesture that happened to me, but but be quiet, don't say, and after the interview he's like dude, that's exactly my wife went the pill- and she was done with me- she didn't want me sleeping in the same bed. She didn't want me in the same house Suki. A lot of marriages are falling apart because they got together when the woman couldn't smell his compatibility and it's not his fault. Shit yeah. Isn't that heavy, it's a mind, blower!
It's one of these things like Duncan was saying where we ignore these natural reflex is to our detriment. You know we pretend we're not animals fuck. That, of course, were animals with just the coinciding mental cycles alone. Obviously, there's some crazy shit going on, but that is like another level shit. I don't even think about all the factors that would lead to you being out of whack. If your body is constantly thinking it's pregnant and that's that's what the pill does it tricks you starting thinking, don't get pregnant, you're already pregnant? That's why a lot of women have much less libido when they're on the pill, well, yeah ready pregnant. What I'm gonna do is really bad yeah. I do. I do little girl and off the pills she was so fucking horny, but then she got on the bill and it was like it just stopped, and then she got off pill again she's, like we gotta figure out something else 'cause, I don't even like sex when I'm on the pill, she's, like I'm totally disinterested but off the
well. She was crazy horny, it was like a switch, went off. It took like two days. She started taking the pills and then it just just shut down. She would be dry, it was like and then off the pill, she's a freak nuts. That concept, though, that there's this like add a field like a chemical data field surrounding everybody makes sense that you can tune into a nun stand aspects of like deep aspects to NOPA persons like some specific deficiency and their immune system, just from your nose, that's crazy and that kind of stuff lens, credence to the idea of telepathy or clairvoyance, or people who can read. Other people really well like maybe they're, just somehow better it like detecting. Whenever chemical field is around, the person can decode it in a certain way, learn what are we doing with like people? We have a whole culture of women that are taking pills, that tricked their body and did not being able recognize the clues of incompatibility
and think about how many kids are born with health deficiencies because of because people low in you know three and get together, and these kids have yeah, there's all sorts of you know. We were talking earlier about smearing vaginal fluid on a newborn baby. Who's born through c section again were pretending. We're not animals way pretending, there's not benefit in being contaminated with life. You know there were these sterile creatures that exist separate from our shit are piss in her it's one of the things you realize from grappling in jujitsu, and you guessed start getting really into it. You have to keep a healthy biome. You have to keep healthy skin floor, it seeks critical. One of the first things they tell you when you start training is you should start taking supplements like acid duffless, something probiotic. You want to keep your skin for healthy and you want to not antibiotic soap like a lot of times when people get infections, one of the problems is:
we've created a barren wasteland on the surface of their skin, so infections take hold, and then you treat those infections, more antibiotics and you you kill off all natural healthy, like acid opolis in particular, is supposed to be aggressive towards certain types of infections, so that like, if you keep a healthy skin floor, you're less likely to get things like ringworm with things along those lines. This is also what they're talking about other this there's a new kind of antibiotic resistant yeah. What is that? Can you explain that? Because I keep reading about, it sounds terrifying? Well, it's you know. The the pathogens are constantly mutating right in response to whatever antibiotics have been developed and we come to the end of this particular line of antibiotics. So there's no more there, no more variations on this molecule right. They keep tweaking it tweaking it and they've tweaked every way every which way possible, and this pathogen has mutated once again as we knew it would and there's nothing
it's like nothing. No, there's, no response. So if you get this infection, you're dead locked in the just back to the light fourteen. I put this way back. It puts his back to wherever to the cafe around. Whatever your arm amputated, we had you know, Rhonda Patrick, give you very listen. Herb doctor run a patch yeah. I think I have she had a pretty significant Myrsine faction, the staff of the just went away, and you know she fixed it topical you This of ground garlic and grape seed extract like the ground. Garlic apparently has this radical effect on on and another thing that supposedly helps to is cannabis yeah cannabis oil supposed to be really good at fighting off staffed staph infection no else is good. I mean I know about staff, but pussy seawater. Seawater seawater is good. My wife Irig did wounds with seawater alot a lot in Mozambique and
pissing on your feet keeps the athletes foot away, yeah yeah, it's not weird yeah. We were taught that and wrestling acid and wrestling if you got athletes foot you piss in your feet, yeah or just piss on your feet every every morning, especially that first pisses really 'cause. It's full of uric acid accumulated overnight piss on your feet every morning in the shower, and you just don't get athletes. So that's why people drink their pets. They would drink their first piss of the morning because it supposedly has all are vitamins and nutrients. Bizarre yeah. I don't know about that. One! That's the right response! I've done it. I've drank my piss a few times to experiment help I don't know, probably not probably better off like a multi vitamin It seems to me if you were meant to drink your pace, then you wouldn't piss yeah. Well, your body would just send it right back in right, yeah, but this is why your by your balls me outside to keep some people can check
not to keep my cool. I know. Okay, you know say like there's some flaws in the raw. It's a wrong metaphor for me, man. I don't think this into a flaw. Well, it is, if you know otherwise, you would go you dehydrate. I mean if, if like, if you'd, never de hi great if your body would never express' water in that way, you take water in you, keep a healthy level and it's like oil in your car, like you know your levels there you good, but now we like constantly getting rid of it, but I guess it actually cycles through your body and takes impurities out and actually there's a lot of other things going on when you drink a lot of water. That's why one of the things that happens to people in their dehydrated they get kidney stones and get Chris sized things in your body, and you know you have to those out of your dick hole. I had a. I had a kidney stone. We dehydrated, I don't think so, beer, I don't know there calls diuretic right, yeah yeah, but they say it hydrates, you, alcohol! Ultimately, you know
but here's an interesting piss fact. Did you know that all animals pissed the same amount of time all, it's. This bizarre fractal thing Jimmy can from other than James. Sorry, Jamie, Jamie, Jimmy Young, Jamie Young James. Uh yeah. Apparently it's like the size of the bladder. An the volume of the urethra is it's like a fractal thing where it could be a mouse or an elephant, so a full pay This takes the same amount of time for an elephant as it does for mouse. Wow wow your seat up an elephant piss. It's like Jesus Christ, seen it so waterfall in drinking that it's insane most Now, let's take Toyota seconds. Ok much the same with humans, not if you're drinking beer, well the size of your bladder right. So it doesn't, it doesn't matter what yeah, but if you fully hold your piss info a long time and you finally get to a bathroom.
I've, definitely pissed long in the 22nd. That was really nice of them to include an image of a beagle pitching in case you wondered what it look like the least a feen offensive penis that they could find one that doesn't represent the patriarchy eagle. You couldn't get a pitbull they got in there. Did you see that will fit for about as long as a rhino or race or people say, I'm pissed, like a rain, I gotta piss like a race, but I think there's talking volume you ever seen a race horse, piss good Lord! The volume is just stunning comes fast, so yeah Skype pressure, yeah, it's like why so I'll. Tell you what this kidney stone made me think there is a god and he loves me or she because it, The horrible thing you guys haven't had a kidney stone right, yeah, it's just like so wake up. I think I told this story on a live podcast. I did with you in San Francisco.
I don't remember long time ago, yeah, I remember thinking. Why am I telling the story, but so, I woke up at the excruciating abdominal pain to sell to my wife. Was a doctor thought I had a gas like bubble in my intestines, so she like had made up side down on the sofa with a funnel stuck in my ass in Shust, boring Holla. I like how the party at Chris Ryan Sally she's bored extra virgin olive oil up. My ass, I remember lying there upside down, is about you, that's what I remember thinking like honeymoons over we're into marriage. Now this is marriage, but because she's like she's, a doctor she's gradually leave like the bodies, the body crashes, into shape, chronicle, but anyway turns out. It was a kidney stone, long story. It had already gone into the two between my kidney and my bladder and so that
with the pain is that it's sort of scoring been its way down the two, but it didn't block the flow. So I wasn't having the kidney infection which people sometimes get, that's really dangerous. What they do, then they operate on you well. What they wanted to do is they send sound waves in from your back from the back in the front in the calibrated, so that the waves meet right, where the stone is only say that back in the front you mean your decal on your body. No, no! It's it's in your abdomen! It's going, and from your kidney in this little tube down to your bladder. Well, how do they get that sound in there so they do an x ray and find exactly where it is right and then they have like like so Magram machines, right that are sending vibrations in an they meet at the point where the stone is in the break it into sand, and then you can piss it out. So what yeah it's great, but unfortunately, mine had already passed through the tube into my bladder by the time they got around to it so they're like well. If it's in the bladder, we can't do it we're going to go in through your day,
oh, like needle nose pliers, so they go up and grab this thing and then pull it out through your dick. You wake weather sounds yeah and I asked an I had the meeting with the anesthesiologist and I'm like. Can you just put me under for this like? I do not want to be awake once I want to look in your eyes. She says, see the seeds so scream Manheim your Red Nana boy. So I was like not into this right and I'm on the waiting list and it's like any day they're going to call me and I'm going to go in and they're going to like put this thing up, my dick and meanwhile it was New year's Eve, cacilda and I wake up in the morning New year's day morning, we have sex. Go downstairs to the bathroom and I'm pissing in the bathroom sink, because we have this asian toilet squad toilet. So if you
if I presume that standing up it splashes all over so the deal, is I piss in the sink and went to transcend it's fine? He never noticed you never noticed. Okay, so I'm pissing down the side of the sink and put comes the stone payment. Is it? How was it it's live? Half. Well, I don't know. Is that a centimeter? Something like that? You know that about the size, your finger tips, it's a real rock. It was like it was like a snow flake. It was a way for sick sicker than snowflake, but like a way for it, just popped up and somehow I had gotten into the tube and the orgasm, the g calculation pushed it right up to the end of my dick and then, when I missed it just popped out, it was no pain at all. It was masked by the orgasm, so it looked it up it lube. Put a pin in it. You know filled my head with the endorphins or whatever, when I was having the orgasm, so I didn't feel the pain I felt like a slight burn but like yeah, whatever it was, fan,
so that's my kidney stone story. So I do but I think she looked over Cassie. To get to the hospital and headed analyzed what they say, Well, I guess they can. By looking at the Chem Cool composition, they can tell what causes it if it's a chronic thing or if it's dehydration or whatever, but if it was from another planet, whereas we had him is Moonrise you're pissing out a Moonrock dinner at tiny little riding on it well in Duncanville. We're doing that. Certain group help me I'm stuck in here when Dunkin and I were doing that. Silly show that Joe Rogan questions everything show. We ran into these people that do think that they have implants in their body, aliens having and they'll find like some bizarre imperfection, their skin and elsewhere that wasn't there before and that there's some stay in there, and one of them was insanely hot we got Dunkin to talk
in Duncan is like yeah, I mean, probably I mean most likely yeah I mean totally makes sense. No, I was being a good journalist if it was a bald fat madness, 60s here, fucking like wait a minute. Why do you think that that's an alien implant virus in just think it's a scratch? I resent this. I missed that episode now you're questioning my journalistic integrity, but you were amazing when you talk to the underground bunker guy, who is going to start a cult now that was intense man, I'll, never forget driving around in that underneath that mountain with that guy was pretty nuts man that has an underground mountain base like ready for the Parker Running RV in New Mexico or something where was it care. Member man. I just notice that in the middle of nowhere renting renting space like a parking. Parking space and take Camper Van, but they had this like underneath
this mountain there's, you know it's set up example: homes that you could live in in this paradise and he kept saying how, like there is going to be a wine bar. That's one thing: he kept saying that everyone, you know is dead, but there's a one choice bar, but it was weird, is that you got out of him that he was going to be going to kind of be the king. That's right! Yeah he was. He was going to be in charge man, he add, set up an rv with a little bit of astroturf in front of it and like some playground equipment. So, like that's what the future look like under there is like your kids would be able to play in the darkness of this massive cavern I after the actress and he kept saying how they were about to have like an air tight door put in and yeah really really spooky. There's a lot of different places like that. There's a lot of caverns that people are planning on living and well it's the progress.
This guy dig it out or do was it always goes outside the military and used it that that military dug it out there using it as some kind of storage facility, and so he bought it from them and then converted it to this, like this wall of fear, radically dystopian future place that you go through to save yourself on the bombs. Go off sounds like an alien movie like they just did tell them that they had stored alien artifacts in that same location and while there that's cool thing, it comes alive and like we have movement in Carter. What there's nothing in the quarter, but us we've double, checked and triple checked. Well, we just found this manuscript and we're not sure what to make of it, but yeah man that It sounds like that movie room to made you guys see their own room room. It's about this woman who's kidnapped this dude who locks her in a room and rapes her, and this is terrible thing, but she has a kid and the
it doesn't know there's a world outside, and so she she want he had to be happy. So she tells him all these stories and all this stuff and the kid grows up in this garage. Basically thinking like that's the whole world and you think about it, that's applicable, I mean talk about a metaphor we're told what reality is were told what to believe, and now it is some matrix. It's all these things, the matrix gnosticism, it's the idea that we, but we are in right now, is actually an interdimensional prison. An we've been trapped by these super advanced beings that have kept his here called the dark. Archons and that they like they like power and authority, and so anybody So basically, this idea, I think it's called discordianism, but the idea is that as we are in an inter dimensional prison where we've been had reality like where we like had consensus reality given to us
by people like Bernays chef Bernays, who whipped up this reality tunnel that we're all existing in, because we we're in this situation. Anyone enforcing the reality tunnel is a servant of the dark archons, so anybody who's like trying to uphold this bullshit reality that we've all gotten trapped in there actually form of Satanist and so as a religion time that you do anything to break a ridiculous rule anytime do anything to break a mundane law anytime. You do anything to subvert the authority of someone getting off on their power. You are actually taking part kind of holy war and reverting this very ancient and terrible prison that all humanity is trapped in where people great around, as though they have some kind of right to authority, kings being the classic case p, we used it. They somehow convince people that they were gone odds on earth. Clearly, just
human beings, the ultimate liars you're, not a god, you're a human who's convince- is that you have some kind of power, and so anytime you do anything to subvert those people, whether it's some fucking asshole is wearing a crown in this convince you that he's the device find being sent here? A weather son of a in one of those Rear Cody shows he's like going through your pockets for weed anytime do anything to even disrupt that system. A little bit you're doing a holy act in the great war into the inter dimensional prison keepers are keeping us trapped here. Look up discordia awesome. It's awesome that nut ran three hours in right. There, that's nice, I was gonna say I can hear that rant already on Youtube. People have already with with animation and fucking dark over lords. Ladies and gentlemen, that's that's it. What do we call this shrimp parade it's over folks. Thank you. Everybody much love see you soon, bye, bye, that's it! You fucks
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