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#846 - Michael Shermer

2016-09-14 | 🔗
Michael Shermer is a science writer, historian of science, founder of The Skeptics Society, and Editor in Chief of its magazine Skeptic, which is largely devoted to investigating pseudoscientific and supernatural claims.
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scenarios and explaining them to people that might not be so smart like me and make it in a way where he just he's he's he's a guy was dedicated incredible amount of his life calling bullshit on things and just is really good at doing it very sparks always enjoy targeting so give it up for michael sherman the job will gain experience my boy marshall charmers here ladies and gentlemen again we ve been talking about silly people for the past fifteen minutes we just we gotta get warmed up filling the list is endless we area warmed up with body doubles layers hilly hereafter and drought yeah flatter authors forest our real zau they're saying jamie flatters is we're gonna talk about the flatter this for one reason the reason why i wanted to bring this up it's because i think there's a lot of
out there that are super gullible and i think there being controlled i think they're being controlled by people who put together these if it's one of two options either there being told by people who together these elaborate arguments for something that they don't believe because they're just trying to make money for you too rose which is entirely possible and this needs to be thought of really needs to be considered because lou youtube videos can be extremely lucrative of younger you your video with millions of hits and a lot of these videos on all sorts differ conspiracies out such different crazy things can generate that kind of volume you making real money pennies and the dollar but if million yes it starts becoming real money inserts and if you do a bunch of germany can you do him on a regular basis it becomes a gig becomes like what they do they they re create these silly videos but people who just done have the time or the inclination to action
he read scientific papers and articles and journals and all these different things it explain how we ve for a long time that the earth is rapid rate yeah it's a myth that columbus prove that the earth is is not flat that it round they the agents near the greeks new columbus knew that everyone knew but they did and that it was round eastern arians new absolute later depictions and cry for i drew it in clay they drew all the planet's a circle right they knew right i mean there's some obvious simple ones anybody could do if you see an eclipse lunar eclipse you can see the earth shadow on the moon its round you know if you if your high enough and here the chips are sailing out you see the masters the last thing you would see as the whole drops were the horizon first slowly in other things like that that we know the earth is round either you travelling around you come back to where you started
their explanation to flatter authors is yet round like a pizza but around flat pizza and all the continents or on the one flat face side and that the satellites are up they're going around its yeah but the satellite photos dont show all the continents had one picture because some over on the other side of the globe so that refutes that while not only that but they think that satellites are actually in planes their employees in writing or that are just circling around there's no actual satellites i don't even believe satellites yes thank you in all the comment i somebody's recent ones are so crazy that he can't help it think ok they don't believe they're just yegg in our chamber for may be financial reasons but that does get to that question i always get which is to these people really believe at the call leaders the people that make extraordinary claims are they just making the stuff
people may shut up all the time scale fiction fantasy or do they really believe that are there you know true believers and in its hard to tell it's hard against people's heads the old flatter authors and then 18th century i think they really did believe it there wasn't much money to be made that you know on those kinds of things i mentioned that alfred russel wallace who's the co discoverer of natural selection with darwin i wrote my dissertation on him and wrote a biography of him and he quite the colorful character who is so open minded and new ideas that he was also gullible open minded enough to see this radical new theory of the evolution of life by natural selection that's good pioneered other fields like bow geography and so on but also i was really into spiritualism in four analogy say answers handling all that stuff and it then
encountered an ad in one of the natural history magazines for this five hundred pound bet if anybody could prove the earth is round so he devised a test and he went down the bedford canal which is a long straight like ten ten kilometres long you can see the whole distance and if you put these little sticks in the ground with markers item and they get a little telescope like a surveyors scope and delighted you can see that it bans so at each point the stick is three metres above the ground at each point but you can see that its drop down in the last one so bent so he won the bet but he didn't get paid of course because these people are cranks and ass we had taken the court is ended up costing about fifteen years of his career in its wasting time writing letters and in court dates and suing this guy and let us try to win the battle to try to win the battle intercourse what happens if you get caught up emotionally like let this bastard get away with this issue
cut his losses and laugh but anyway and i these letters that this guy wrote to the national jaeger them the royal geographical society about half a mile away as you know you have one member of yours sorry that should be in he's a crack and a crank and in it and he wrote letters to wallace's wife you know you better i sleep in your bed at night quietly but i'm coming to get you guys like death threats here so you know it's always questionable deal with crags because some of em are a little mentally ranged shore and they can attach themselves to someone like walser darwin or anybody else if if you can somehow or another connect yourselves diamond censure and argument it's kind of logic mozilla at least in a way that person's giving you attention purses engaging you and an elevator you're standing and then whenever too people are arguing a certain amount people are gonna two sides there's they're just go even if the
what you're saying doesn't make any sense is gonna be a gang people a guy like ways area and they're gonna join in and people love they loved our team there will have to be want to be on tee walls routine crank this unnatural out and that is also why people like a lot of croatia's wanted debate dawkins yes because he's the guy he's in there i went up best known biological scientists in the world the efforts since darwin himself if i can get him on stage in its darkens likes to say this will have better and you as you may than mine so i'll pass video and he doesn't need money so well contrary argument or the the other position is so many people who are actual scientists wanted debate deepening oh well does he really believe ex people most the sceptics at atheists they would be pox just a fraud a con man selling up snake oil i don't think so i've known him now for a number of years in the last up snake oil i don't think so i've known him now for a number of years in the last year i've spent allowed time with them
and the reason i know he believes it absolutely what he says is because he's always working on me privately uniform launch her dinner i mean i got in half a dozen emails the last two days from deep up you know it's not for public consumption by trying to debating he just trying to convince me now that he's right was a tragic events you well about consciousness here keep his eyes please so here you read them a quote from vendetta hollow body is in the mind but not all of the mind is in the body swami rama while his eyes he quoted swami rama we now at any onto something so these as may these not because he is he's a craig he wants to convince me right that his worldview is different from mine but better i should have em
more open mind well that's a bizarre quote in that quo could be interpreted the bunch different ways and you know one could say that we really dont know where consciousnesses we while we know that it exists in the mind right but you know what we do hours if you blow someone's brains out they no longer exhibit any behaviour that you could recognise as being conscious right so in my debates with the epoch i make the point he points out as you just it consciousness is this i'll hard problem not how neurons fire we know how that works but the experience you have of looking at me and vice versa how does that derive from just dopamine going across in absence or nor up and efron going across in absence is just electric meet how do you get electric meat to have this experience we're happy as he likes to say where's the red if i open your skull up there's no read in their there's no room
and their it's just neurons fired so how does it happen ok so this is the hard problem no one knows but but it's not that we don't know we have some ideas about how it works and i think this is one of those ones that either never be resolved like freewill determinism lino ok we live in a determined universe how can we have free well if that's the word the language that in other certain restrictions on our cognition of how we think about the world and its very much influenced by the words we use of that could be one of those mysterious mysteries that can't be solved simply by the nut not that we're not smart enough that just the limitations of how we perceive the world and it's just so there i'd like to look at like this there has been a big gum survey professional philosophers done but three years ago about twenty six hundred phd either professors
or doctoral students in philosophy what is your position on the news like twenty five different debates in philosophy and like free will determinism it was roughly equally split between the terminus and compatible is like dan dennett is a compatibilist and harris is a determinist in a small percentage of libertarian freewill what are they compatible as compatible as except the the premises the universe is determined governed by laws of nature and so on but that we make free choices within the causal nedda the universe that is i'm making choices like i chose to come out here that was a choice yes the universe is determined but my behavior my actions might volitional choices within the net the causal net is part of it and in any case you can't know all the variable so it feels like you're making free choices so
you are in essence making free choices because it feels for even if kid you don't know all the determining factor so the compatible as is something like others if different versions of nanda dandy it makes a good argument degrees of freedom that we have this idea degrees of freedom in engineering certain systems are more complex or less complex in certain systems have or variation than others so if you think of degrees and freedom like an insect has very few degrees of freedom is almost entirely instinctively driven small number of neurons and so on it may be a rat has more degrees of freedom than an insect die more than a rat primate more than a dog us more than the other primates it just how many choices how many variations so you can come up here you go this way this way this way this with this way but the human it's not clear which way they gonna go with the rather more predictable they'll take this this maize or that maize because the food is over there something like that so has dented argues that the web freer than you know them the man
sir the dog we have more choices and even when in human populations the laws already accommodated this so you know first degree murderous different than second degree murder or euros what is the difference to what extent you intended to kill the person you planned it out verses you are out of control inflow grotto you cultures partner in bed with somebody else you lost your temper ban ok but you wouldn't normally do that so we think you won't violent aggressiveness or drug addiction alcohol addiction the tumor on the brain of the famous case of the u
mercy of texas bell tower shooter whitman you know he left that note europe lately i've been feeling not normal and yet i'm feeling quite violent and i'm gonna do some beds shit today so when i'm dead do an autopsy so he went he killed his mother and then he went to the better and killed nineteen people whatever was named did an autopsy sure enough he's got a tumor david nexus hypothalamus so we would we would recognise or get that guy had fewer degrees of freedom than you and i do it's not that we excuse it we do say ok he had a tumor so that's the compatible list argument sant someone like samara determinist would say it's it's all it's all tumors you know it's determined you're just using different causal vectors to describe the behaviour some of them are more obvious than others so the best argument in that case i know of is from ganem aid rain rain is a psychiatrist a neuroscientist who was the first
to scan the brains of serial killers in prison so he would take this portable f mri brain scanner to these prisons and these guys have nothing to do with her happy to participate as subjects and he would scanner brains and he found that they have very little self control which is associated the prefrontal cortex and their prefrontal cortex is were pretty quiet pretty undeveloped inactive so you have all these impulses that bubble up and there's no break there's no governor on the system to keep in check where as you and i would count to ten or walk out of the room if we're getting heated up there like much more likely to just reach out punch you if you say so like something like that like a self control so he argues that that if someone has a tumor it's obvious you can see it but what if somebody just has the crappy as background you can imagine raised in a broken home single mom drug addiction
hang related inner city crappy diets dropped on their head and so on it is an example of this young man named onto page in african american who was convicted for a raven and killing a woman andy's on death row i think he s life in prison in case you know so he describes spends pages in this book the anatomy of violence of this guy's background it it's the worst background you you could possibly imagine that surely has effects on his brain so there's not a tumor he can't scanning go look there's a tumor ok got a tumor but he sat a background that would surely be different than the background you and i have had and therefore he had fewer choices in his actions that you and i and so you know the law would deal with that differently and but see someone like that and then it would say well those are degrees of freedom he had fewer choices than the person that didn't have the awful background so that's what it is
things were it depends what you mean by these words like degrees of freedom volition choice actions verses moreover physics engineering billiard table type of causal model what's a really complex question and subject and one that people battle with even when you're faced with the determinism argument like you you if you take in the law logic of determinism like you are the product of your genetics of your environment of all your life experiences of all these different things and they are woods dictating all your choices so even when you're making a choice the choice your make is based on all the data they ve taken in your entire life so do you in fact free will at that moment has it all been sorted determined by all these experiences and its hard to argue because everybody's life is different everybody's take on things are different everybody's experience you can
the exact same experiences i do but your take from it might be very different than mine you might be a person meditates so you might be really mindfulness and really into so in down and trying to objectively analyze all your thoughts and your reactions you might come out with a completely different decision based on that so is it determinism i've also you start practicing meditation and you change your behavior is that determinism fancied i would love that border supplanted i would love that more of the category freedom you you you may become self aware like i have a violent temper i really need to do something about this well what can i do well meditation
ok so then i choose to start meditating just like the attic and when we talk about attics having been out of control but lots of attics actually start they break the addiction date they have how do they do it well meditation they use use behave cognitive behaviour therapy they go to these clinics and so on that but they got a dry themselves there they got it actively do it there where that they're doing that i would lump dead end the year making kind of a free choice you don't have to do that you could just keep doing your addiction but if i was a determinism pert proponent i would i will now because your decision to make that choice is based on all of your experience is your genetics you're your family your background all of your input that you ve gotten from other people about your behavior and you ve decided to make a choice based on that data correct that that that would be the counter argue very dark the yes so it's it's like that i think also with cod
this new siena what do you mean by cod rightness and in a two it's a hard problem k but but is it ever resolve also that deeper thinks it's not just through a neural science explanation bottom up molecules scaling up emergent property mind out of brain that's what most of us scientists think people are christophe kokoo works on this problem in a heap gaily nappies just looking at the visual court
eggs in the back of the brain and in looking at visual conscious experiences reality if we can figure that site like that approach but someone like deep boxes it'll never get us there that so use language like the consciousness is the ground of bein now i know that phrase from portela who said god is the ground of being what does this mean it's it's like this is not quite to say tat consciousness is everywhere it's it's in here it's in the clock in this table without be more of a sort of ideas and were pantheism or something like that it's it's more like it it's just that the part a part of the universe i'm not sure i really understand us in a deep has a different language is that sort of eastern wisdom traditions rami and saw you being very kind i will call word salad well there's a lot of words out it sounds like that to westerners i've tried to put myself into his world view so for example
two months ago my wife and i went and spent three days at the chopper centre that the lecasser resort inspire and carlsberg california ok this is a great weaken it we did four merging the tea the diet the yoga meditate the whole thing and i did feel much better afterwards but of course you can't go to the look ass to spawn resort in carlsbad california at the beach and not feel good i mean if you don't feel good after that you're the problem that the system is also the things you're saying you drinking tea is great for you doing yoga which is great for your relaxing any you're also going there with the intent to try to make some positive change in your life and get on a good path as how does that all those things are get now deep like just released a paper that was published this week he wasn't one of the authors but it was on the effects of of his programme on biomarkers in various physiological changes this was conducted by harvard medical scientists name rudy tansy
as the scientists to discover the genes for alzheimer's so he does a lot of work with alzheimer patience you know to what extent we have any measure to treat it not really what about meditation what about diet these kinds of things theirs is not terribly hopeful but me these are some of these supplements who knows but anyway he wanted to know what are the effects of meditation i just regular people so they went to the law ass to resort inspire others already a sixty programme that the two percent runs with its arithmetic but it's it's yogurt meditation its food diet miss are not not massage in this particular one although they have great massages heritage which is also healthy and
and so what they found was there and so they compared a vacation nurse who were to stay in their at the resort they took all the various biological markers to novice meditated they taught him right there this is it day one hears what we do go through it twenty minutes and thirty minutes and medicine in yoga and then a group of people that were already there that were serious daily meditated i ve been doing their whole lives right so there was a difference it first of all everybody got better blip she goes down stress hormones are practically zero and all these great markers including the vacation is then they ve the difference between a vacation in the meditation group so the claim is that you god vacation but you can't do that every day your life but you can meditate every day everyday life so the effects of medicines she may be something like you can do it at home the relaxation of meditation the focus whatever you call it
focus the hut on your mantra actually check as physiological change is one of which was dean beta amyloid which are the kid the chemicals that cause the plaques entangles in neurons that cause alzheimer's so rubies argument was that it could be said of a causal train their that that method asia and leads to less stress less inflammation and therefore less of these build up plan entangles around the neurons it kills him that's what happens and alzheimer's your brain just eyes neurons to so amongst various factors that might be effective meditation may work
someone like samuel does meditation with he would look for a causal chain from the bottom up what are the effects of having certain thoughts in one party or brain affects a different part of your brain and cause of neural chemical hormonal changes and on deep arc of course wants to use different arguments aid has to do with mind that not not brain but mine consciousness that's out there but but even saying it's out there is not correct but anyway that it doesn't matter what the worldview differences are terms that does it work if it works who cares this would be good if in people at meditate even people that are sort of new age ear or eastern religious they say works i haven't done it my i dont do it myself i do other things that i think relaxing but but if it works who cares what the explanation is initially had been ice to know something that's affair
if so it turns out from this new study just published a nature that meditation seems to be effective for these biomarkers including tellers it increases tell him race which caused the tellers at the end of your chromosomes d their stay the same length or to grow a little bit and that has direct relations to aging because we know that the hay flicked limit on the number of times a cell can divide and when you get to that upper ceiling than the cells are dead and that's what causes aging ultimately genetic selleth if there is a way to sort of slow down the process of the teller marie's degrading may be through the production of more teller marie's chemicals at cut effects that then in meditation is one of those or diet whenever
that there would be a good thing without do they determine that from studying the exact same person and studying them premeditation imposed meditation and studying the rate that tell em ears start to decline of this particular study was just at the control group versus experimental group the meditated sources non meditated and a vacation and how but how much of seat it seems to me that that something that you would want to study over a long period of time and then you know that you would actually have to study the person over a law a period of time before their meditating to really get a base i dont know if anyone done that yet but that would that would be good yes we need anymore the scientists themselves rudy and his team so well we have to replicate this is the one shot deal here several days at a resort that was it you gotta do more of this
but the point is that you know surely there is some value in some of these techniques whatever you call it he had also take the word salad out and stop using words like ground of being a whatever forget that just business is there's a certain like way of talking there people really enjoy hearing because it makes it sound like oh there's some sort of a mystical explanation and solution to all of the problem firms that modern day society presents you with any could find those through this course or this lecture this brighter this prize this i am now engaging in a practice that separates me from the stresses of the modern rife great i think that what you're saying about meditation and other things you do that relax you i think it's very important to relax and i think we are no that's one of the real problems with our world our society today especially in america is so i'll go go that it's like if you are an athlete
in you train constantly one of the most important things is recovery it's a critical aspect of athleticism and if you just train and you dont recover your body ex down your red line in your system europe giving your system the proper time to recover i think that when you meditate and for me my big one is the sensory deprivation tank i have one of i these matters and i go into all the time and it's the most relaxing thing in the world because you're going in there the waters the same temperature audio event loading it's amazing in doing that i feel like that is there's no motion at all i'm concentrating completely on my breathing until i achieve this certain state of consciousness that i get too when i go in there and the way i get to it has just concentrating entirely unburied being in breeding out i just think about in with it good now with the bad and inwardly that's my only thoughts that i try to maintain other thoughts get in there they
around and they ricochet out eventually they stop existing to let his meditations meditation but i think any form of just right just give your body a chance to give your heart rate a chance to drop give your mind a chance to slow its revolutions per minute too give yourself some time to recover and then also reflection give yourselves time to consider the momentum of your life that is also a real issue with people is that your life sort of starts taking over you and your actions in your your the things you do during the day a lot of them get by on the momentum of the things you ve already done verses what you actually want to do right and it just caught it gets out of hand and you don't have a choice to step back and look at it and go i gotta stop doing that or i needed
you more this or i have to figure away to not do you know all these things together what the decision you make but the those decisions come out of reflection which comes out of space away from the actual thing and in time and thought right my jewish friends tell me that this is what the sabbath is for mining sunday until saturday son sundown make it at a time of feudal family friends reflection no tv know you're off social media outlets that makes sense means a smart thing that's an old tradition so you know yes said even my jewish friends are not religious is just a cultural thing in that it that's probably a good thing now where it gets a little out of hand i think like another one of my full emerges from my chapter and anti park in eastern religious traditions of my next book heavens on earth we went to see deep back into eckart towler
who did a show at the shrine auditorium in los angeles the power of now power of now this guy i mean this place what must have been three thousand people for the people there paid fifty bucks ahead i mean those like while our right and diego gash deepened yes i don't know what it cost de there try but also expensive yeah yeah but you know the two of them disorder walked up and down the stage just talked in consciousness yes it's a very much like that and people at a ten these are fairly well off people you inserted tell in the parking lot how their dress same thing with this last weekend i was at the sages and scientists conference a teapot puts on every year this year instead of at this at the last resort it was at the beverly wilshire they said there's a lot of people from that are deeply fans and they go you know these are you're normal run of the mill folks here these are people at your upper middle class good lookin well off
be nice cars and i ve ever better the beverly wilshire but if you say that there is a low bar its wolfgang bucks bar and it is they have good german beer which my wife and i like she's in germany where you sit there the win a watch these cars pull up ferrari lamborghini rolls royce bentley it is like this is not one of my take events you know with science geeks coming you know it's it's a different audience up i do wonder the people that are that particular study their rudy tansy this is not a randomly pick sample from the general population who knows they have different kinds of problems are issues a lot of depression mental you know things that might be affected by psychological states anyway in its different from the physiological changes then they mark but still but when you go we watch the shrine auditorium thing without cartel and he's very effective
he speaks in a manner i can't even imitators is very saw very slow men it almost feel myself like melting into the cheerily hypnotic very hypnotic yet have you ve been hypnotized i have yet that's what it feels like yeah so he is probably do yeah yeah he's bringing the audience to a certain state of thinking and i'm sure effective for the now and technically he and deeper right that there really is only the now about the three seconds or so of the current state of before after the past and before the future it's just it and even your memories of the past it's just neurons firing in your brain now of what happened in the past and the future is really hasn't happened yet but just your neurons firing in anticipation of what might happen to their right it really they all the action is now of course as i like
digital guy you know my three days there at two percent or at the new age place up in big sir would set the one on the right on the cliffs the echelon incident had been their several times in its who by relaxing and you know but the now ends on monday morning and go back to work you know my my mortgage has now coming up pretty soon called the payment and to what extent you can live in that condition all of the time but if you take it moderation like like he said just once in a while to step back once a week gonna want today whatever for ten minutes half an hour our deputy asian tag once a day something that seems pretty reasonable young very reasonable and very beneficial i think those people that europe talking about they do have a whole different set of problems because they have achieved material wealth beyond the imagination of the average person if you're pull up in a ferrari your son
we put up in a house you're driving a house around you're driving a two hundred plus two thousand dollar automobile which actually to most people was this crazy i did so one could have one of those so that car a person who isn't happy the type of person that wants to go to some sort of a seminar by health girl we all agree that a blue lair gaining this thing is to urge those things will break down to folks can invest that's not the moon but her aids barbarism our oil money here i was adam one of them hotels in beverly hills i had dinner there and this blue god v iran pull there daughter is more than a million dollars and i think that one point what didn't we look at up one point three doesn't matter one point three million dollars up like that but it had the saudi arabian plates and
it actually had palace plates it said something palace on it and so this is some royal person sent his car over either in a boat or on a plane and there was no that car and then there's a million in these other soup expensive luxury cars all over the place those people have our own problems and we would like the average person who ex all day and has a pile of bills and as all is dead like goddamn and i would love to be a rich person how the hell these fuckin rich people still have problems right doesn't make any sense but you get you who's to your life you get used to your life and if your life is being an indigenous person living in bolivia in the jungle in you shoot spears that fish in that's how you get by if that's what you you get used to that life without life because your life and you find problems and me you don't find his many when you're in a hunter gatherer tribe as you do if you're some sort of it's fun manager who is just
after all every day that really stressed out and your wife driving you crazy in your mistress wants you to leave your wife and you don't know how to fuck you got yourself into the situation in india and then you decide i want to go to this power of now seminar in straight my shit out pull up in your blue ferrari i think there's problems people create problems in just because someone as material wealth not only does it not ill many problems it creates a whole new slew of problems that would lead the kind of self indulgent sort of exploration of your condition that these thing sort of enforce and cater to yeah yeah yeah so you gotta go back work the next day or whatever but so too another point i made in my time for deep oh by the way their areas with the fan you know that you're super nice guy i'm sure he's really nice guy but like if you go to one of these workshops any feel much better so there's been a few
studies that many like big corporations hire people i tony robins to command in vienna give this feel too they get the sails was i fired up and they are they are fired up here as we can tell the veto the the effect last for a couple of weeks they go back hit the phones or make it our calls for more money it's like its work by anna tapers in their right back to the where they work motherfucker so this is why we published a study on this and sceptic that the number one per day dr anyway that would by one of those books have help books or go to the seminars are people have already done so and they do and over and over and over so in a way if it worked why do you have to keep buying the books in the tapes and and the going to the seminars and maybe it only works for justice little why will you ever the expression that inspiration is like bathing it's very effective but it must be to celebrate and grace s right well that's but could be it i think it is you know so there's the two senses in does it work does it work for you personally
and then does it work for everybody so the scientific method i just want to know is not did you personally feel better when you went to the low cost respond resort for three days if of course i'm sure you did but can we actually measure the differences and apply that to anybody and not just that resort but any resort it or is it like sixty percent of the people between the ages of twenty five and forty that have these medical conditions or whatever when we apply that technique forty percent of the time they'll get better now that's really what we want to know so i'm on the one hand you know somebody says i went to detox place i feel better i'm glad that they felt the other worlds a little bit better place if you feel better i'm okay from a scientific perspective like yeah that's interesting but does it really work not just placebo or not just temporary it's like i'd netflix just released that documentary based tony robin
and the film is called i'm not your girl but clearly watching this this is what everybody think that's my girl they wouldn't really like him and he has this hypnotic effect on the audience it's incredible i've never seen anything like it but the question is when they go home in a weekly two weeks later did it make any difference i'm sure they feel better their time robin says a lot a really good stuff and he says a lot of really motivation things that i listened to and islamic disguise making a lot of sense i bade does a lot of people a lot of good what i always ask is what has he done other than do these like he's become really effective and motivating people but what has he done other than motivate people i mean as he produced anything other than these books that are designed to motivate people i really appreciate what he does and i dont want to belittle it because i read a lot of stuff back when i was competing and martial arts and when
starting out as a stand up comedian i read a lot of stuff you know what motivated me and gave me some good good things to think about i think i was already sort of ana self improvement ass those trying to take a lot of information from a lot of different place including dianetics i bought a dianetics book and then hounded me for tat nearly a year on guy ordered at a late night on one of those in former things but i think interesting what he's done because it's not like save a guy like steve jobs or you know a wozniak who created apple if they made a book on how to get motivated and get something done and here's the core core aspects of success in this endeavour and i've done and i want you to know this i want to spread this knowledge but when a guys just motivating people write a noise like like i know a guy who just motivates people and he's a tear
we'll comedian nasal decided to start motivating people out of my well what the fuck is going on here but the moon while people by because people love that feeling they love that of someone saying something that makes sense that get some going yeah i'm gonna eat plant based on dialogue jogging every day and i'm doing yoga four times a week and i'm going to drink only water and i'm gonna you now and then one day they passed crispy cream and about the hot it's out of fresh sign as i hear those hot don't answer he gave us glaze hot babies in your system actually now there have in a coffee and they throw sugar and fuck it already at the sugar in the donor conflict is better with sugar you hope it's better than the little girl about the other guy that took an ad in the newspapers have sent me a dollar i'll tell you to make a million dollars run and add another newspaper you he's
the now of course he really is a great collector of philosophical points that really can affect you if you absorb them think what you pointed out about the amount of people to get involved in these things that don't actually have any long term change in their life i think what it says like is like rehab you know my friend chris bell who made this recent documentary prescription thugs and he made bigger stronger faster that documentary on steroids really cool guy and really fascinating is he went through making this documentary prescription thugs and then in the process of it had a pretty significant injury that got him on pain pills and then he got hooked on pain pills himself always documentary on pharmaceutical drugs being highly addictive here but he went to this rehab and when he came on the planet
cason was discussing the rehabilitation process were getting off his pills one of the most important aspects was how much time it takes in how you have to be fully immersed in this idea of recovery for a long period of time to do it in this method to in order to enact any real change and i think that's probably same thing with motivational speakers i think you can get that initial burst were somebody could sleep being a hate mike i'm taking these fuckin pills away from me man you can't keep taken these danger hook you like your right now you're gonna change so this is both burst of motivation you're a good man you're a smart guy you're too smart for these pills you're right you get that feeling you wake up the next day and you go job and you get a good sweat and go and get some we crashed using your power that down like i'm on the path but then the inspire she dies off and you so comfortably slide back in your old way so i think these
motivational speeches by anthony robins remedies people that i think they can be beneficial but i think for most people the comfort of there old path is such a magnet their company is good news that made it raids almost like they need every day for like a year or two years three year something already tansy from our retell me for it for a normal habit it takes about sixty days coupled to months every single day of retraining debris on a new habit and anxious irregular habit like drinking coffee or disk what time you get up in the morning or whatever exercise so i suspect with drugs or alcohol it's probably a year to tears we completely re retrain your brain rewire the neurons literally took to change that habit its doable people do it is just that it can be very difficult so i think part of the appeal of the the self help groups
so called self help is that you keep going because you need the other two retrain reminder every six months her elicited the tapes once a day or once a week and it just kind of keeps the new habit reinforce first i believe literally dopamine hits from hearing the voice of the person someone like tony robinson he's just i've met him at tat age is bigger than life i mean like six eight huge hands and deep i sent any talks wonderful he's got a great presence and he's quite the opposite effect our totally i mean he comes out stage the music of the latter on sidekicks boom boom thrown the site you re like all shed tears kicks at boards found this documentary is really quite revealing is called i'm not your girl it opens with him talking to this young man is turkey's german and he looks super sad is what with pilot with with bugging you man stanhope bugging you now and it's like i'm feelin suicidal
says who assist amos in front of a large volume of three thousand people whose hotel room cameras and light jesus he's gonna powys angela here when i was a little bit like that but it is a completely different way said he looks days is is it that is at the red shoes he does what is is it the you're rich those are the facts in red issues i have ever seen in other fucking red shoes camera goes daddy got these red shoes and this is the way he says it is so funny this guy just started laughing in total don't you be laughing now because it you're going to spoil the the programme for suicide i mean come on an end this kind of work done and why are you feeling this wind for you know what this guy was he seemed like he was doing much better
rang again various like i pulled out a gamble on this day about these shoes everybody that film but the problem with that and in another story they show in theirs is there's no follow up we have no idea exactly this guy does he added another one with a woman who had laid issues or somethin emotional is a year that relationship here and yes he's kind of feet like doktor lorries figured out after all these years you know your problem number seven years as numbers exactly how it is only like ten things that covers ninety percent of anybody that would come you know these are there and does so heap hones in relationship you're not happy you love him but you don't really want to be with him forever yes that's it that's it get your phone out but call him right now and it lay holy shit this is anthony romany so the same this that this is done in the in the film
he says about tony robins yet so she calls the guy in workers he's like here what's up money now i know i this is gonna be really hard but for three thousand will be shared out ass she jumped him on the phone i'll fuckin cry and yet this guy's like where are you again knowing their behaviour patterns not knowing what i mean who is she when she's on that state in front of three thousand ok so the question is not but how could you make that call not know anything about their persons pass and i know your behaviour patterns not knowing what i mean who is she when she's on that state in front of three thousand people is she really herself right because most people no of course not so i was immediately went to know as you know two days later i'm really sorry that seems incredibly responsible here to get someone a break with two have so little information and take someone on their work at that moment like to some people that
one day for whatever reason though go you know i can't fucking do this anymore i need to get out of my marriage and go to the bar and have a drink and they'll get crazy for like a few minutes or an hour or whatever and then the drive home there listen song and then a wife will send them a text in the go what the fuck is wrong with me why did think that why might is right now and realize like images just d algeria a certain pattern of behaviour so how does he know that that woman was an indulging certain pattern of behaviour he doesn't ignored or simply on the other hand maybe she's really really and maybe was really a good idea really doesn't now that's it might you might have given are awesome advice but he fuckin for sure didn't know there was awesome advice right and it's a private all these programmes like like a in a does it work they don't collect data if they do they don't make it public we can't get the data many what percentage of people that come and last this many weeks or months and what percentage never take a drink or take one drink or whatever
we don't have no one knows we have the anecdote like i went work for me i went did work for me will which is it with you wasn't there a recent study on a where they were determining that people who who leave the programme a try to and if you see we could find it but as it was a recent study that was talking about brian in maintaining sobriety and how little of an impact that it actually had it did have an impact on people maintain sobriety and they think that that implies may have been connected to the sort of sponsor system that they have not wanted to disappoint people encumber artery that you develop in that sobriety environment which it's a lot of sense and i think it's really clever how they ve structured in no way does i think having a mentor having someone's already done it and then also i think of what leads people to alcohol
and besides you know genetic markers and all the different things where people have like an inclination to do it is they there's there lying to medicate themselves the trying to and one of things is trying to medical themselves from a lack of pinion share bore lack of good meaning interaction with people and when you're you're situation is on the line and sort of a dire way that came at you hit fuckin rock bottom withdrawn this both in the trash and get your shit together followed twelve step programme now i'm gonna do i'm thou i'll send you some urgency involved and you have someone who you're accountable to you have to call person you're getting a chip hey i'm ninety days congratulations committed to ninety days and then you go up there a species get all this attention which people desperate craig you get to be on the podium
everyone's looking at you this online involved in it that's not just about sobriety about ritual social yes very social very slow and edit it could be that work save it out over the decades deftly got something right but there was a knock the pitting the thing it was start the study was showing a little of an effect it is it's really kind of amazing does have an effect but the effect is not that much different people are just quit like i've known a couple people that are not involved in any short twelve step program like like buddy gregg fitzsimons he and i have been friends for sunlight twenty seven or twenty eight years we met as rookie stand comedians we started within a week at each other and when i at him he was twenty two i believe the time and he had just quit drinking he really i like his parents had issues with substance abuse and as a young man is like lord i can't so i do this i'm gonna hammered all time and obviously i got the bug whatever it is i'm done
and never drag again road literally never drink again his whole life to this day hasn't dry and is so for successful emmy award winning right or other people will still tell him you know you get program right could you know right drunk this is the disease model of alcoholism let's bothersome because it's really a b hey you're all choice or behavioral problem but if he treated a disease that that the good side of it is that it got people off the year just weak willed you know and you just stature prominent no no it isn't that but it isn't it isn't like cancer either like oh i'm sorry that cancer i'm sorry you have the alcohol a gene or whatever clearly like your friend and there's a lot of people like that that just quit they are able to do it and also from the scientific perspective we don't have much data because we don't know who they are right there quit they don't go through a programme and then we have them in our database it we know what they did how long they came and on again the
does it work the only way to know is to really get more data on this and we just don't have enough from those kinds of groups that do that like a there are academics who scientists who study addiction you know a nay they tell me that in order for the attic to take a single drank what's the harm to have a drink here at the bar social whatever that much harder for them did not have the second third fourth and they go till they pass soon whereas i never drink till i pass out in a long time anyway it's college but i but i firm is like to determine is an issue for me it's not it's not a problem is that of self control problem about for the attic apparently the brain is required and they get much harder for them to top had that secondary is it a rewiring thing or is it a genetic predisposition budding its austria is pollio of us plethora variables right
tribute point is realising native american population did the genetics are such that they have a stronger alcoholism problem which is exasperated by the poverty and in all the other social issues that go with that on these reservations and it makes even worse but apparently there is a genetic and i would like to know if that's true because i remember this discussion being brought up before with someone else and then i looked it up and i found something that has showed contrary evidence but anecdotally sort of everybody who knows that story knows that native him awake but that's what we always been told ya native americans didn't have alcohol in their history and like there was and i could be wrong in that and look to that date in decades so they could be old material now what means most certainly do get affected by diet and climate and where people evolve and were where their ancestors came from theirs there
the study today what i buy we did something today that made sense why some people can follow a vague and diet and be healthy in regards to meda threes is that if you i come from a long line of people who have followed a predominantly vegetarian diet over the course of a hundred years or so the jeanette ex start to evolve or change and adapt to die to the point where your body produces more omega threes from different thanks it was real recently i i tweeted it this afternoon or retweeted it gonna try some day about is is the religious component that's about you you have to believe in god that's why they should supplement with its more recent than that that i see them about omega three may not be as healthy as we thought
we never know what a tank i don't have enough time science keeps changing cheat keeps me when i say that you're supposed to believe in a higher power for aid a word but that year in a much much more insidious where i think you're you're like a sin you and original sinner you are an alcoholic say it my name is my glinda metallic it's like the borneo i'm a sinner i was born simple but i accept jesus would be better to say in my name's michael shermer and i am a free man i like you know i'm not i'm not trapped by any sort of drugs or alcohol that would be more empower yeah that seems way better and that would be the tony robins approach you can change it see thrown sidekicks and shit you just anything can happen what tony robins recently where they have one of those coal walk there guys i fear that these assholes were taken selfies while their fire walkin in they arrive at their feet pavia crazy i can't
ladys does the firewall sooner because it's a little risky i've done it dad twice we didn't ones for a fox tv show but first of all a hard time finding a place to do it we did it as a sceptic to pre empt well explained what explained the who i wanted first so i went out with experiences like right and then second what is the explanation white ways at your feet don't get burnt likely in one of the shows we actually strap raw stakes to my feet and then walked across the calls in the stakes did get burned if you just walk quickly enough so either dead meat is conscious and thinking positive thoughts or it has nothing to do with positive thought he didn't get cooked it all now look as if you move fairly quickly that the conducting of the heat is very slow with wood so the analogy is that you put your be turned the of up to forty fifty degrees you put a cake in
can you let it sit there for while you open the pan you put your hand in the air is four hundred and fifty but you you don't get burnt right you touch the cake and it's four hundred and fifty degrees you don't get burnt but you touch the cake pan or the metal part of the oven and you're burnt almost instantly the temperature all the same it's the heat conductivity then is how quickly immaterial trance deuces heat from to you which is why we cook on steel versus the actual calls themselves yeah yeah right gaza culture morgan under he so if you look at that point the that they would fire walking is is you won't get burned if the bed is about no longer than about ten to fifteen feet eight feet is better and have maybe they flatter grass that's wet on either side so that europe the temperature the bottom of your feet as a cooler and any traipse across notes
to take selfie big mistake but if you go about fifteen or twenty feet the heats gonna start to build up and there you can get bert so my guess what happened with which it was his peoples if it's a short probably ashore bed but but probably they they didn't skewed across fairly quickly the two times i did it it was a foot bed united mess around man i just ploughed right across very easily it is therefore the idea that people are so silly if you google michael shermer firewall there's that's a very short little firewall is very short and add to the sea the flames and the site they put would on their after its burn for hours and hours and then they put like cooking oil so it the flames
i'm an ups from from an angle it makes it look like you're almost walking through the flames which are not why isn't it sort of in some ways like kind of a right of pashas passage or something i guess it's what you doing a ritualistic thing how do you like it afore metaphor for accomplishing things yes it really it doesn't mean anything while the problem is when you know what you just said now that metaphors not gonna fuckin work on enlargement is real and all thank you to all the people that it could have possibly gun over the hump the ruined it michael shermer how ep so well we want to know how does it work right you know and as if you had a bed of metal in a no one would could walk on it not tony robins no matter how positive he was thinking so dead would cause is a poor conductor of heat that's it now it is here that makes a ton of sense that's why you know when you have a girl you put the calls down and then you put that steel great over rail steals an excellent and author of yeah yeah that's why
we choose certain metals as well the cook in you know it's it's i'm amazed he could get insurance for this cause people to get burned and the ones we did some of the people other people had little blisters because in our view if you walk slowly or you have ten i go beverage lots i have pretty good calices and about my feet but if you don know that than your skin his dinner and temperature builds up faster for that in your publicly the blisters specified get paddock yours and you put moisture on you i always like fear a tenderfoot literally literally a tenderfoot that's right those cops got thing right you're a tenderfoot beginning that's a larry us what a who wears waited describe with all these things you know is all things at moderation at stake stream isn't it gets be trouble you know it's like you can never have a drink you re ever have a piece of meat you can never do that
so that in that and then when you ve collapse of wagons is bigger than if you feel like a sinner in its back to that religious thing in means in you're a bad person and adds to many i think negative emotional elements to be you're right then you're connecting all these ideologies to your behave that are very constructive and neither the very kind trick dealing and you're not allowed to deviate from these plans and then you become part of this sort of team right like the people during cross fit you haven't even prostrate person i shudder to think about the work out of the day and its positive therein shape they look fought but they looked crazy like they can't wait to go back and do chin ups do they get other mine and it's a very beneficial thing don't get me wrong but there's a thing that people do they get a part of a team or a group or
you you're you're one of those now you know hey i'm i'm i'm an ultra marathon run right now or i like i mean that group that's right yeah latest review this book for the lost regional and cross fit training and what it means to be fit now verses when i was in my twenty and you know back when nautilus was introduced the idea was union too late the muscle groups everybody's like yeah that's good isolate the muscle groups so there's authors thine why is that whoever where how did it ever get established that isolating the muzzle group is a good thing and he shows that you are free waits you're using all of your body every muscle tend in just the balance of the move and all that stuff it's much better than i more i looked in i thought what well of course
this is when high schools it started introducing physical educate you gotta go in the gem everybody's in the jam you can't turn loose thousands of teenage kids in free wait rooms and not have injuries so the nautilus machine that was the solutions isolate no one's gonna get hurt you can turn loose somebody does you can't clean and jerk a big weight and that somebody expire how to do it without getting hurt near that is certainly true but i think the big aspect of it was people like to make things more complicated than they need to be well always liked to invent some new way to do things and sometimes a new way to do things looks awesome like a nautilus monsieur i mean to have the big camps is ireland cables and you get to the plates he put the pen in the plate and get to move it up and down and it's all right i mean it looks amazing but as far as like it being beneficial to promoting functional strength is not nearly as good as those like olympic lifts it people do like clean and press but doesn't
that glamorous right in others machines are very glamorous a you know you could do you good to tell people that you're pulling the whole stack up i've got the whole stack right it does isolating movements at one point time were thought to be the best way to develop muscle because they're really good for body building now but there is a difference between like with when someone looks really good i dare certain looks at you can achieve like giant biceps weather completely out of balance but didn't have a little neck and they have no legs it's not an it's not healthy but they want big biceps so they just keep constantly doing girls senior like really out of whack doing those the exercise if you're not careful but if you want to be a body builder that was always the protocol if you look at how arnold lifted now a lot of these franco column whoa guys like they were all in isolation exercises a lot of different i did a lot of try sub extensions they did a lot of things to pump those
muscles are they didn't you know squats and leg presses and stuff too but a lot of it was involving like hitting spit civic muscle groups subject to accentuate those but just wasn't the way to go but but for a long time that those machines were the shit there like this is this my solution and my review i wrote about this guy i met back in the 80s when i get into bike racing the name phil grenache that he was mr california bodybuilder one thousand nine hundred and fifty four the year i was born and through the 50s and early 60s you don't just lifting waits mr bodybuilder many met cyclists what once got its efforts is going to come out we have the sunday ride goin up in the local hills and i said he had dropped the first sale pie they're gone they realize clayton maybe i'm not that gives mr patten and mr california yap but also mr fit is the most fit person in california
i am not fit i got no cardiovascular so that's he took up cycling and so on but yes this cross it book club it was that these people are more balance that was the idea again tissue even know what you're going to do for the competition you show up and it could be any one of these different tasks do you have to be more well rounded well well i posed to i can lift this one particular nautilus yeah i've read something about cross fit taking a critical role in our society that it was a cook comparison to cross fit and religion and they were saying that essentially as people become more secular and they move away from religion they gravitate towards things like cry swear that given this sort of sense of community and share experience and black uncommon shared experience because like the average person you go to work and you get causes that are bleeding yet did my work that it has decided to something like separates mike from the path as it passes the brake room like mike's fuckin crazy
in ups every morning at six a m when a bunch other assholes down in support of it the crossword centre and you you get this field like i belong to a group of unusual people doing unusual things and you it's a social process and also that's well that's what religions do and you know it's it's our group here and will mean what eager whatever we have these rituals so like that diversity tract of deep for those things very there's a book called the bowling alone by souci oliver sort of tracking the decline of social things like bawling bowling leagues united yeah very many bali legs anymore but more more things like that work more isolated we do our own thing in your computer at home or whatever and that this is actually to go play to get out there and have a community but as always you know it's extremism that i'm gonna do this six hours a day he's ride right is this guy failed pinochet and about
and dined early because he has worked out like eight hours a day he killed over dead in his german i would like that is like he's here this work out route mean that he had a like five thousand dollar challenge that anybody they could match him for the forty five minute work out routine in his home jem and limping i close with all these super steadily guys and no one ever made it because it was so specialise for just what he does you like one arm chin up or you know what our pushups or you know the stair mass you build a zone stairmaster before and anyone heads their masters and he would just give up this craig it up at such a high level that you just can't do it and it is now that's all he did rights was a fit it was he who she said i well up to the point where you're dead now once an argument for once you die from pure protein are doing it right we used to ride around orange county and it will be either
say that lady at their sunday morning get your paper cigarette coffee donna she's gonna check out early six still person on his grave i so much we can do cuz shows up every morning this review this another book fur whilst rejecting all why men age about aging what we know and we know arbiters we did we now find others alot youth does only so much you can do you now that that's why is it just men up the guy was seized a dark green men frank is preserved there is also a big difference while there are some differences but i think there's a month from a marketing perspective there is already a bunch of books for women and jean there's not much about men there was neither does it really matter because it's really all the same process ultimately that you're you will get you and the idea well we'll have twice as long as our ancestors had a century ago you yeah that's true
but really no one's living above a hundred twenty just more and more people are pushing up to the upper ceiling because of public health in general stuff we do that makes us help your butt terms of longevity an aging you can't stop it owes you can do is call hopefully slow it down a little bit and and you want have a higher quality of life the further up your girl as opposed to lying in bed in tubes for the last ten years of your life or something like that so that's where the future researches where the breakthroughs will come not not radical life extension is also written about you know we'll have five hundred years shermer don't you want to have five hundred years as it looks it made a ninety without alzheimer's in cancer ok let's just start one decade at a time it is too easy here because the problems are really complex will as i think the quality of life in these mention is one of the most important things like we are i have this phrase that i have said many times
miss it doesn't it fits right here we all love to sleep but everyone's afraid to die love to shut off we'd love to shut off at night everybody loves it and we look forward to it but that on big shut off when you're not coming back is just too fucked up it's too much well did you hear back you still feel like you there's a continuity between today and tomorrow or you get so these are not just the radical life extension is but to beat the mine upload hers and then sell you know you got a scanner connect dome put it in a computer and then you'll wake up and the computer like johnny depp in that right and is well here's a problem when you go to sleep when you wake up tomorrow maybe your groggy for a few minutes but that every year back you still feel like you there's a continuity between today and tomorrow or you get general anastasia surgery you wake up their grog year for a little bit longer but the continuity comes back it still you
so the question is if you're you die and we have a skein of your connect dome and we put it in a computer and turn it on are you gonna wake up in the computer like you did from sleep and i don't think so i think it would just be a copy of your if this could ever be done which is very unlikely super hard problem but let's say could did i think there's a breaking continuity from death you're dead that's it and this thing we have is a copy of you it would be like if we cloned your body and then you die and there we reconstruct the body and there you are that's not you not first person through the eyes me it's just a copy of me devils if i if i to play devil's doves advocate that what i would say as with our current understanding and abilities right now you're correct however whatever we have right now whatever we are right now if we can understand it down
to the sabotage particles if we can literally understand you as a person like you as you stand right here september fifteenth two thousand and sixteen we can understand every single aspect of you including consciousness were not there yet obviously there's a lot of debates and this struggles but we are looking at it in terms of what our current understanding is if we looked at it in terms of the understanding of people lived in the year one hundred a d it would be a completely different idea of possibility i got possibilities today are incredibly expansive in comparison to people that lived in the thousand seven seventeen seventy six just the idea but we will but we understand about what it means when you talk about adams molecules the idea of tellers all these all the knowledge that we have today imagined expanding exponentially for the next five hundred
a thousand years is entirely possible that if we get to that point we can recreate reality to a point where i have a theory about people and compact disc completely unqualified and don't listen to me but i think it's entirely possible that you now bees make honey i think people might make the universe i think it's entirely possible that the way the universe makes itself it makes a person it makes monkey the monkey eventually figures out how to wait a not get eaten by leopards and a smart ones become a monkey and then they figure out shelter and then they figure out agriculture and then they really get going and once they really get going what they start doing is creating technology they create in the one of the wheel in the form of a bucket to carry the waters that i have to keep drink and the river again crocodiles and fucking
georgia in everybody's dying from inborn does we figure things out slowly but surely and along the way they make better and better things until they develop computers until they develop artificial intelligence if it makes something that can think for itself and then they put that thing to work in that thing gets better in two weeks then ten thousand years of human development rain and i think that thing probably is how the universe gets created that the u universe like this idea the universe has no beginning and no end that is infinite cycle of maybe and maybe it does that through people maybe it makes people and in our view for intelligence yet uncle some sort of intelligence but what we currently understand and know of the known universe where the only and that we know of right and we're looking at what we're doing they like well well well well well what we do in the are we we going with us we're just gonna keep going like
when you on must start talking about artificial intelligence is one of the most important and popular and famous technology the enthusiasts sorts talking about artificial intelligence being summoning the demon yet mean that's how described it we can summoning intimate i really think that might what we do i think we're getting caught up the car dash ins and we're looking at who's got a fake but an hour those cam trails and the sky and the twelve step program i'm fuckin cross it meanwhile what we're doing as well given birth to some new form of transport and in technology that literally re wires reality itself yet well it is actual theory the unity that we're living in the matrix that it's all a computer simulation in its quiver holodeck somewhere but i'll even know what was it we were really air if so really
and distinguish between the holiday world you're in in this world and how would you know right so it really becomes one of these thought experiments it's fun to contemplate but how would you test it to see if it was true or not and what is this what he put up their removal his name and i came up from yesterday oh neural lace well this is you know occurs wildman talking about this for a long time you know the singularity really will come about with fusion between human intelligence and art official until well for people who lessening the breed the title their jamie what does it say their scala there you must cancel neural lace project to fuse a lie with the human brain well anyway a cochlear implant we said cock you know them in the kok clear you know it cut means now the new
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on monday i see a fun it's not real it's just a fun but because certain enough for letter words curse words that they have certain characteristics of the words themselves that are tend to be short and kind of guttural abrupt fact cut shit side and in theirs but coming out called what what the f benjamin bergen is a linguist tat you see san diego and he's coming up to do our science alone in a few weeks and and so the idea is that certain words trigger morgue sort of deep emotional parts of brain in the limbic system and so on their associated with bodily fluvial you know feces sperm and on it just it's all this kind of crass basic humans it because the ideas to you when it hurt somebody with your words
only and by associated with us over deep part of the brain that's associate with really deep emotional thing that that's the theory is theirs i could tell about why curse words are what they are in a why certain words are just there not insulting they're just kind of funny clunky the idea of rights of any ability it's too sweet their rights are good like a nice nickname for a friend so i'm not surprised at all that work is what it is tat it makes perfect sense to space on the structure and worker that these are two the worst things you could say that somebody that's why cock so popular scenes why would i think we got a new one it has that sort of feel arise at its conservative in cocoa instead of but i thought well that's just a new one that's a new one that they're adding to the word cock it's well like the actuating different dictionary it has to be used like a certain number of times and in secondary and tertiary resources in a year but once done then his in africa
a hundred percent the internet is just the amount of data that gets what's the figure about how much data gets pushed on the internet in a day that i thank you the short amount of time if you go with the windows but in time more data gets paths and in the entire history of that that's it was it to be an it peter demanded his book the the rapid growth of technology it's some insane when every month now its equivalent of all everything that's ever been printed near humanity ever it's just a huge number just think about that and then think about how many books run hovered must have written i said i'll run well you wrote more books than anyone who's ever lived in if you go to the scientology centres around the world they all have a room with his desk and a riding pad literally like this casey he's back
on b l comes stumbling through the door with rotten clothes and insist kins hanging off of his bones and time derives its charge shows what aragon on the internet every minute break while sixteen so it's set snapchat at the top with six million nine hundred and forty four thousand for that oars popular forming authority for google google's amassed but owned by ten old more than snapshots categories that is translating words sidney's indifferent things that are happier ryan's on each how many different interactions that's amazing that is fuckin crazy so if you carry out your argument you know it story a matter of time before in a sort of that that singularity his reach the end may one argument for the singular you create the virtual reality that's indistinguishable it's just that you just need enough data right
it's really an engineering problem in time but the question would still be in there world would you feel like you re now through the eyes first person experiencing why i went i don't know i'm not sure that it would like an answer either i mean i can't see the cryonics argument is being chronically frozen and waken up woken up again if you could make that happen that seems like fall asleep wake up anastasia wake up chronically for and wake up its feels to me like it's the same might have in your thinking is guaranteed as this is not in your mind lounges nurses innocent is that surrounds you know it is transcendent did i got a good deeper impression is that when racist as far as the average indian guy well this is what he argues yeah when you die europe consciousness your
i'm goes to where it was before your barn yard but the promise you don't fuckin know that what now as i know no one knows that's you can't say that that's what it does my argument is what where were you before you were born of most people what do you mean it's a nine question i wasn't anywhere before i was born right and when you the eu will be anywhere now so banal being by buddhist think that you know that you just returned to the consciousness in the sky the forces wherever it is i think our number one problem is that we try to have a place where you go we try to in response we feel like it's a place but debug tells me this is completely wrong way to say it you're not going any place there's no place we're here if the problem even with that i think there's an issue with saying that you know anything about what happens after death you can have a ton of theories you can have like possibilities that ponder you could sit down
b is creative as you want you could start ends the thinking the number of known stars in the universe and then start to pursue eve hum amends the universe is and what what is going on in consciousness itself in when it when it ends does that energy go somewhere and become some thing that we haven't considered you can do that all day long gray and it's fun but problem is when anyone says they know you go back to become maybe a gun in your start the world from footnote how the fuck do you know you don't the answer in i don't it's interesting to think that you might be a baby again it's interesting to think tat he might live you have heard the africa what legion promotes this possibility but that you leave your entire life over and over and over again until you get it right and then where the term old soul comes out our nation like you're running idealism of bureaucracy a very wise man michael shermer she probably were an idiot a few
thousand generations ago well you ve got to this point where you you figured out how to live your life very harmoniously and doing now you u exhibit all the traits of an old soul does is instead of you now they're certain he bob there in a way i've seen em on the internet the dew ridiculous things in its is like why they so stupid why they do or maybe they only it is there that afforded already carnation maybe that's that it is entirely possible we don't know you don't know why you were born dont know what happens when you die problem is in saying that you have an explanation right whether it said materialist very cold site antibiotic analysis of the possibilities in terms of what we know today and deny any possibilities of anything being anything other than death being the end that we don't know that either is well ok right that's correct but two from the scientific know hypothesis that is europe
areas not true until proven otherwise we would be we when you're nothing happens when you're dead you're just god could be at last there some other alternative we can test right so maybe one of my favorite thought experiments comes from carl sagan stephen hunted world the blossom book us about the chapters called there's a dragon in mind right so i tell you the joy of a dragon of my garage you do so cool can i see it yang idea here is i hope the garage door you look in theirs and pink cans a ladder a pike no dragon well it's an invasion call dragon okay so you say i was put some powder down on the ground and when he walks around we'll see his footprints well you see this dragon hovers about three feet above the ground at all times and you say well i got some infrared cameras here we can detect the heat the cold blooded dragon it gives us no temperature at all you know
oh i have this heat detector and when it spits out the fire they will see that fire comes out of it now prove that well knows coal fired now this is not heat generating has a very special kind of fire again so seconds point as what's the difference between an invisible hovering cold undetectable immeasurable dragon and no dragon at all sectors if there's not some way for us to get at it then we can assume it exists exact in that regard i would i plan to god because people or god is outside of space and time how do you know if he's outside of space and i have no way to me it while he reaches ended our world to stir the particles cure the cancer whenever ok can we measure that and as it looked different from what happens naturally heller's why it will why is it that would always got always cures is things that might have gotten better anyway tumors do go into remission and but most of em down most people think a cancer they die
so why didn't god heal them he only seems to heal the ones that naturally go into remission how come he doesn't grow amputated limbs for christian soldiers coming back from iraq how come these are christian family praying for their christian loved ones who lost limp and are used is busy curing cancer over here but i can't handle the ones that never ever naturally girl back what's the difference between a invisible dragon and no drake that's so always seen with my theory the afterlife what that's nice do you know you do not you do not know and when it comes to religion the idea of some sort of a powerful being that's charge of the whole picture and it's got a grand plan for it all is it's kind of comforting some people and its it's an interesting possibility and again it's something they consider at something to think about it's an idea that's been around for a long time wise had been for so long i dont know while lit
go over some of the other things that have been around for a long time let's look at what it is in that book is there any other shit in that book they might think is ridiculous who is there a story in that book about two children that taught them and because he's bald so they say bears on the kids dimension storing the bright light or was it with his name eliseo what it was this the guy's name who taunted by these children because of his baldness so good summons to bears to come out of the woods and more these children and kill them because they current data has epa with the old testament i mean but you're talking to someone who's a religious person who believes in the bible and you throw that around one of the first that goes well that's the old testament great well ok so the old estimate is not valid the new testament the one that was written by constantine and a group of bishops were they got down they wrote it out forty five years after jesus died that one budget
dollars writer without a more ridiculous whenever it is constantine wasn't even catch it was even christian oil wells the gospels appear to be written three thousand two hundred and sixty the first one hundred and thirty two sixty years after jesus died book of mark the others were copied from mark obviously john is really we and you don't know a new on these were the gospel authors didn't know they were his disciples they didn't know i'm so this is second hand third hand whatever and theirs the committee decided what determines your daddy and was it possible we're on our example was voted out why who knows a twitter pull effect that they take report really little gotta legality evil twitter polio in any case when jesus become a conservative you know i mean in the in the gospels he talks about giving up your belonging to the poor you now the turnout with hooker chances of a rich man going to heaven and earth like going to the eye
a needle do it doing is our wine maker here made wine for people carpenter right so his conservative values would be suspect if you actually read what he said we i mean all the depictions of looks like a fuckin hippy secular dirty white hippy somehow another white guy grew up in the middle east and you know the year zero i have a few they probably looked like they look now don't you mean wise guy looks so like it looks like a lost kid who lives in how will these rebelling from his parents and lady that's what made them i for brian such a great film yes monty python it's like they really nailed it and they need a long time ago right lack when you really couldn't due to this before blazing is a super controversial movie at the time and ground breaking in terms of lake lay people we
get comedy from like the sixties or the even the seventys and we look at it in terms of what we know to be shocking and crazy today and it's our bar so different right it's hard when you go back and watch those things to really take in the context of goshawk togae tory about this funny comedian friend of mine about this last night we were talking about how good lenny bruce was and how we really can under stand it comedy a sort of it continues to progress in a sort of reflects they attitude of the times and we're so much more open minded and so much for down the line than we were in nineteen sixty whatever one lenny was getting arrested for using bad words right so it's hard for us to creasy it's hard for us to really understanding if we were kids back then and we went to see lenny bruce and we were living in its like really restrictive environment that was the nineteen fifties and nineteen safety's then we belong
way by like what does he say this the rain zero but today you listen to it and it's almost pedestrian some stuff it s say because it's already been said because he broke on the door then it s like yeah that holds been there forever and make it even make blazing saddles today because the another i use the inward constantly era their good point could you that means that one of the characters as that about ok we'll let in the niggers in this big but not the irish that's what wow you wouldn't say that today even satire what things bought a character like archie bunker right right on the family you couldn't do that show today the way it is you it would be hateful and are a born galapagos fear would interrupt the honeymooners gas jackie gleason used to threaten to beat his wife all the term how term amendment he was gonna hit her so how are you going to put her on the moon areas
people used to smack people all the time and movies back the men were always beating women up it was like a natural part of behaviour to the point where we didn't even minded from heroes heroes with smack a woman in the mouth and she blew and then they would invariably wine a fucking them i grew up right afterwards smack em and then they start making out so fell as a little refined palma parties a run for your life you better run for your life if you care little girl tis i'll get you in the and then the owen was she was just seventeen if you know what i mean like yeah no power do you mean what are we doing about a what was thoroughly six days there was a normal like about kiss they had that song christine sixteen jean simmons sign that song right there was a big house christine sixteen i've got to have how'd it go well are you gotta have you think that's
chris do not know and bananas i guess it's fucked up when you go back and listen to it you know you realize i while like you sing in about a little baby brain and you realize when you become net i'm forty nine now when you looks like a sixteen year old delay jesus christ like good would give a couple years ago even eighteens ridiculous railroad its what what is legal and what is not legally very strange but those songs man saying i'll cut in terms of moral progress at that a change happens to slow enough you don't really notice it but looking back a few dec that's what you i'll look what they used to say in moving these are now ass what is it compilation and smacking women like their play epithet there that's what they're spoofing hilarious
both various movies were crazy they would just smack he punched are dropped her while bacchanalia sean country no one shall countries interviewed by barbara walter's and he was advocating smacking women from charms just keep pushing it and they won't let it go how did you do to mark and she was like a you saying that you use i just exactly what i'm shine like both airline and ever meant a dame that didn't was it didn't like a smack in the mouth of glove call forty five or thea whatever chinese slug from a gulf forty less thing to slap a woman now and then as i remember you said you doktor with clenched fist it's better to do with an open hand member that i love that haven't my opinion no don't you think it's good to slap a woman good on his back i don't think it's right i think that it depends entirely on the shore
sciences and if it marriage of what would merit it well if you tried everything else and women they did not want to have the last word and you given the level last word but they are not happy with the last they want to say it again in and get into really provocative situation one and a half million is absolutely right like what year was there and let that that looks like maybe eighties i want to say it was later than that ninety i want to say was the nineties that's pretty that's pretty well you know he's out but that's it duration are sometimes there won't both go where's dialed thoust early in those guys have ninety seven interesting well it's
it's interesting as barbers looking away as she says it and then looked at him when she hit him into question like it's got a moment right and i haven't trench my opinion will not at all like you like hits or with that like well so that was like there's a lot of that was a game to that was also shape provoked him in this way where you know he's a chauvinist in some of her that did that with mike tyson with the with his wife said set beauty pageant woman never get an aim that he will the batter analyses of the marriage right there on the ship well it certainly sent him somewhat inspiron i think they stayed married for quite a while after the show but she was on the show talk about how horrific it is to live with him and how crazy in but of course he is he's mike fighting the thyssen he's one of the most terrifying comrades boy athletes the world's ever not his excess is its
focused entirely on him being violent as humanly possible beyond the limitations of other people who are proof fashionable purveyors of violence but she's the status his brand of violence is so much more ferocious than any other fuckin person has ever done it before he makes all these other professional heavyweight boxers like pussies they see em they practically faint throws punches that miss and they fall down too of course he's not like what are we doing here why are you have this guy on television what kind of a person that you like what is what is this there p session what would it she doing going the wife what is she doing you are you doing this public lee because you believe this is the only way to reach him at the time there was a minor controversy bit this before the internet so did viral but daily times had a story about the rams defensive line that was called a fearsome foursome in the nineteen late sixties early said
these and in a rosy greer was one of em and he was just terrifying i guess and he was talking about how he would head slap the other lineman like you know the snap any ban like this right and they had an open whole there for the ears so the ear pressure will break the guys eardrum if he did it right and this would throw em off a little bit than he could say the quarterback what this is his thing and any meant like in the interview in and i you know i had slap my my girlfriend or my wife or whatever was late what wait what you do this to you is i hope molly and it didn't make a big thing but it was there in the toilet marina thickened god damned jesus you no fear of your six eight near waif three pounds and you have a helmet that's one thing would have dinner little band well in this was also probably tolerated so much back then that those women didn't have any recourse to couldn't go to a t or something like that they couldn't take video
and put it on their phone and then put it on the internet have a go viral they were scared if you got some six eight four hundred pounds jack attic dude wants hate you and he also sex with you like fire how do you get out of that is hard enough to get out of a regular relationship the poor lady you how to get on stage with anthony robinson collar boyfriend it all mean that wrong but imagine her boyfriend is a fuckin giant football player like sitting here and it was if it was in the movies like that and you have said connery talking about anti early it becomes accepted like then to this whole determinism thing like is that i beating his wife being is wiping the culture that he lives in and is that is it mean is how much of that affecting his conscious decisions and does he have the free will to escape that influence welded the way the moral progress of works in this regard over long periods of is that it just never entered your mind to do it if you never see it or hear about rights and that regime this is the number of people that do it so in china
countries generation showed all those move eclipse the ether i'll be all he saw was yet that's what you do and it does would never out of my mind to do this i mean i'd it doesn't even if no matter how bad but temporary i'm not gonna just reach i want to introduce you to a few checks though is that what the last word called break up with them shone out at a house burned go drive you get a porsche i'm going to do fuck off i didn't get a hotel room somewhere do your super rich enough to stay with that crazy lady relative what that's one of the sort of self control techniques brightened by account ten leave the room we are in many ways sort of a product of our environment and in the way that we imitate our atmosphere so i mean we have patterns of of talking with theirs russian centre
similar familiar to certain areas we have accents that distinguish that we belong in this class of people that live in boston francis where i grew up there boss and actions so clear and if you talk to people that live there they're letting you know that their local lighter though there they're right in and everybody sort of assimilates with a certain way thinking away of b int super comment for people to adopt a pre determined pattern of behaviour rather than having to think things all the way through for themselves so that predetermine pattern behaviour means your girlfriend i saw your fuckin smack run that they start doing it like it's right whereas today it start of his or her rhythmic thing to do you during your domestic violence person you you if you ve hit someone you have committed assault it is a horrible words and thoughts that we have attached to these things it
almost non existent back that just a hundred years ago viana do right totally normal so this process probably started in the late middle ages there's a book called the civilising process by norbert elio say sociologist epstein pinker kind of may prominent in his book the better angels of our nature talking about how just like books of manners and table manners and how you interact with other people non violently and i don't have a knife to carry your knife with you or you i had a nice to somebody useful to hand it with the handle you know that forward and then you know don't do certain things that you know don't urinate in the hallways don't defecate in the you know this just basically these people were gross and here's how not to be gross don't act like a pig going to act like in a way it it's training your brain to gain self control over your impulses like i'd really dislike to take a shit right over there look don't do it in this cycle we don't do that account
and then an aim never anders your mind to do anything like that and so the argument is that we have on this five hundred year long civilising process of just training people to control their impulses impulse controls at prefrontal cortex keeping a brake on them you know this sort of lower impulses at bubble up i'd really like to do that not going to do it and then pretty soon you don't even think about doing it now obviously there's still a handful of the cycle paths or whatever they don't care but fewer and fewer of us just from that interview shine cauteries generation verses our generation versus our kids you know this is just disappearing from our vocabulary from are repertoire of behaviors that we will employ with other people you just don't even think about doing it that's the that's how moral progress happened even though the bottom up it completely makes sense and it is completely makes sense when you look at the history of humanity how much safer it is today relatively
and at any other time in terms of like how much violence you're getting counter new daily life when we see violence they credibly shocking whereas if we lived five thousand years ago it be incredibly rare to get through life without seeing dead by ice like you you became much more custom to the temporary you're being and the threat of violence being a real part of everyday life grey or is this not anymore so i think one of things it's happening as we create new technology that sort of alleviates the physical stress of life or the worry of dying or extend life to the point and fix illnesses the point where life becomes a little bit more what a bit more durable little and people relax more and more about the fit like the physical requirements are bodies had a few years ago were hunters and gatherers were constantly worried about predators the physical physical requirements and the dangers
who had to be able to experience and mitigate and get through every day we're so much more so much more dangerous than what we experience on a daily basis other than like car accidents and the rain was right but we still have all those fight or flight where he answers we still have those reward systems that need to be fed because we're essentially in the same you know give or take a future mutations same bodies that people had ten thousand years ago right yet yet cycle align three us fight flight or reproduction before three that's the other one hour for easy one is for with would people don't consider is why do people why certain people not run not fight but panic lock up and what's goin on their because that's a real response that is super common it doesn't get addressed not fight flight response does also people that it can work fuckin freeze but all those things
in a more dangerous world actually do age you faster that some of the research it was raining these books about aging just a more stress you average it it does stress hormones leads to more inflammation there's more more stuff about inflammation and disease inflammation and alzheimer's information and the tellers shortens your life and there was this big study possums in florida the ones that are out in the wild gettin run over and attacked in preyed upon verses ones that were put on this island where there was no predators all the food that they want the name one was ones that lived on the island live significantly longer like like fifty percent longer and not just accounted for are the ones i got run over not that just the agent the aging process just living in an open dangerous environment takes it toll on your cell yellow reproduction and how long you live irrespective of probation and accidents
so this is back to their meditation take you take it easy lower those stress hormones cook as i do take it all on your body yeah unquestionably must the the the idea you get through life red lining it all the time and not of sicily people ass the dunham much about football why can't they play the whole game like the final do men jesus well you can't do it i mean just football in and of itself how long can you do that does anyone ever figured out how many times you can get hit by a guy who's three fifty pounds running thirty miles an hour when those kinds of giant and are huge super athletes and they collide with each other i dont think a person like you or me could even appreciate the amount of impact that's involved in a line men who is just a job i a mountain of a man using all of his might and running india i don't think i can understand it i think i ll watch it on tv and i see blur
guys you're up in the air and they go slam but i don't think i don't think i've physically can feel it i dont think i don't think i'll get it right think it's no that story of the know how could the concussion story that was first broke by european in the dock frontline in a two hour documentary that guided died the pittsburgh steelers centre mike i guy forget his name jamie's big sportswear my cave has featured in the movie that wasn't a movie libya but but the docks calculated in the course of his life say from high school football college football and twenty seasons of the inner fail and all the practices all week then in the game like webster yet my gloves three probably got hit hit the equivalent of a minor concussion thousands of maybe tens of thousands of funds and that
that's a cumulative effects are you so crazy what is this what has this chain eyes of alignment all minds the guy viable ok so in nineteen twenty seven they were hundred ninety pounds and six feet tall so a hundred eighty pounds is easy six pounds less than me you can't come i'm not a big person of five what aid a little taller at six foot for the average lyman which is a giant person right now in two days i was in and what is the last one eight jamie what does it say scroll down six hours following this part the bottom or shows how hard of their heads are but two thousand and six you get to the average lyman is six foot for three hundred and thirty five pound is not the average is the outlier look not even the biggest i guess you could say that
some are little this morning but still there all over three pounds fellows i mean i remember al and page he was huge was massive in just one of the great and he only to forty five he probably wouldn't even make the the fact that the main team now in what year was that scroll down places sixty cents and so in sixty seven year sixty seven that guy was like that give you see like how big george foreman was grey when george foreman was a heavyweight champ he was gigantic but i dont mean when came back when he started to come back he was well over three hundred lb is really overweight but i don't think he was that big when he was fighting i think he was in the two hundred and twenty or two hundred and thirty when he was which hamper and i'll leave beat up some of this stuff like the ones on the right there there's a lot of body fat that's of course is just yeah yet mean there like getting more mass yeah like the sumer wrestlers you want mass not just muscle yeah it was now the all they also those guys are just all about power there all about power or and weight behind power and certain metallic if you
have the same model power but more weight behind it you can actually probably have more of an impact when you colliding with people right have you ever try to wrestle with a big person like even if they're not strong like the amount of mass it you have to move when you're wrestling around with them like you dont can sit until someone like in italy you're in a situation like i guess if you'd never play football before and then you ran out then you were on the front line usually if it was it's gonna be like there's no way you know your way you know what that three hundred and thirty pounds dude feels like raised her full blast into you crazy fuck in sport rating this now called spitting in the soup about the history of doping in sport that goes back to the late nineteenth century and a half of it is just for survival you know you take these drugs just to get through the next week in the next game the contest then and how it was these guys are
as i was pretty accepted common unknown the guy that won the tour de france five times used to say that you can expect us to do this on bread water i mean you know we braced two fifty times a year and six eight hours a day of killing yourself shunk alcatel the french greek friends cyclists but this appears to be true sports in that it wasn't and tell the that i think was one thousand nine hundred and six olympics when people started equating doping with sin like this is a moral thing like you're getting your cheating as opposed to its at the met thing and i i train i left way to do this i eat this diet i take these drugs it's all kind of part of the mix of being an athlete and then there was a transition he argues socially or morally or whatever and these things are good but is this one thing over here is bad like say and cycling near him adequate is important because your delivering oxygen to your muscle so
if you know you and i probably have forty five to fifty percent her magic that's the number of red blood cells in your blood so half a red blood cells delivering oxygen to your muzzle so now if you re like in the low thirties that's anemic and this drug e p o invented by amgen was created to save patients that are anemic from cancer treatment or whatever it's a great drug but so it was long before the cyclist got hold of this in the late eighties early nineties like well okay of forty five percent of i'm naturally forty five percent and you're at fifty percent i'm will add shouted a train and i attitude or i'll sleep in the oxygen tat or i'll just take the injection and ass a fifty percent good about fifty five percent while i'd be even better
sixty percent and the guy one the ninety six tours bjarni reese he was thick neighbours mr sixty percent these like mud flaunt it also then but then some cyclist started dine in the early nineties in mid nineties there is maybe a dozen or to that died mysteriously and it was never clear what the cause was so everybody said it's the epa of that the blood to factor it having strokes her heart attacks and and even i bought this idea i guess that's it i wrote this article for scientific america doping in sport and this is why it's wrong because people are dying but this this argument is is it was never proven that these people died and furthermore it takes on steroids you know this is a whole things that started with little else ada the greek oakland raiders backer who said i got brain cancer is after he was done play base it was it was due to all the steroids i was taking them
started steroids causes cancer steroids feeds cancer customers to grow disguising that's never been proven and ass i like to look into this before and review this book is this really true how do we know that steroids or dangerous i mean it isn't it the dosage and as mikuli ferrari said lances doping doktor it's it's the orange juice if you drink too much hoist uses dangerous it's the doves in ourselves some steroids i'm epa some growth hormones i mean some of this should be maintenance like said would trigger this was look at those huge guys i mean you get pounded you gotta plague and next week how do you do that it well i gotta go take that give the massage take the jacuzzi inertia and take some drugs that was the premise of bigger stronger faster all right is big thing was that where are the bodies where where is this this steroids epidemic that people are talking about with eve looking at me even in body builders
in some of them do die from it but the sheer mile of rugs those guys are taking to achieve those but he myths sizes here again look at some pro bodybuilder suggests outlandishly huge alive those guys it's a battle of who can take the most drugs who could power lift the most we can live most train the harness but also hook tolerate the most ridiculous levels of these drugs and sold some of those guys die right but well there's the dosage ice exactly because the amount of people that are doing them is off the charts if you think about professional athletes you think about all the different athletes that are doing performance enhancing drugs and they were really dying from this stuff the body should be every everywhere issues drop unlike what i think they're just getting smarter about it and they they know it's called micro dosing in cycling with epa is take a little bit is given to the little bump maintenance in order that story for scientific american aigner
george ink frankie andrea who is one of lances teammates in the ninety nine and two thousand season said he one and he took the appeal and he didn't dinner we want to avoid it as long as he could but he said he was getting dropped from the main palatine any could even do his job is just the lances domestic to carry his water bottles up you know you're you're up there in the front let's drop it back to the teen car get some water bottles then you got a ride all the way back up to the front which is hard to do when these guys are cruising along at two hundred and thirty but our yeah i think i'd be fit so he said he was getting dropped just doing that is always like i can't i can't be on the team can do my job for he took it just just stay in the race to cite a beer i just really deliver water here and i think a lot of them do that is like wanna do it but you gotta do exist is stay healthy and strong and keep going will you do have a unique insight into it because you did a lot of cycling and you did
at a very high and competitive level so you had an inside you as the requirements i think it's why are they need more more unique sports in that they require months or so incredibly gruelling in the amount of time that you're working like you might not be working with as much effort say as a spur enter who's running two hundred metres de saint bolt tat character but the amount of time involved in expenditure of energy is huge one of the more unique and weird things about cycling is you're doing it for our words what is one day the tour de france notice has it for that's right zero easy forty six hours or to six hours long teresa of pumping your legs six hours that's crazy when you think about it so even if it's easier than right spread even if easier than running up to the top of a hill the amount of time your shelling doing it is another consideration and then
in italy the drag maintain was must be huge must be crazy well this is when i entered greg le monde he said that his tea maids came to him this was in the ninety one ninety two season in his last when he p i was was rampant in the past finally everyone figured it out craig you want to do that do it and it is teammates or say well we you its course of a three week tour just your america just drops does from teague is that everybody else it's not like they're getting an unfair advantage by going above their normal prefer their disdain level where's the rest of us are dropping off in the last few stages your wiped out you know it's like we gotta do this just to stay with the rest of the field memo landfill argument i guess you know it turns the morals we we started draw the line at the needle when there's a needle involved i guess her a patch or a pill it feels different than training at high altitude
or sleeping in the oxygen tat you know like the climbers too taking an feels like it's more artificial disguise argument of this book spitting the soup is it's just a gradation we ve just arbitrarily drawn the line there and i think there's more of it and the nfl has got it just be getting to the end of the season and still being able play discuss it so hard why that argument is very good because their certain supplements you can take that are effective that actually do work so how do we do stay alone shows us that that the baseball players andret interesting die on it they would most law it is most likely bullshit most likely there was an excuse for them doing actually steroids right because i think that an art maguire yeah yeah i think that some forms of that stuff some forms of those with it pro hormones actually trigger positive test results it's in maybe primitive like back then when they
testing people which is like nothing compared to what they're doing now which is why really interesting led to russian olympic wrestlers have been stripped of their gold medals because of the past i think from two thousand and eight they didn't get the two thousand twelve results in because they took their samples that they had back then and now with newer more sophisticated levers of testing they been able showed these guys we're doing today but the u of sea is an interesting proving ground for it because jeff avidity who was the head of you saw it and your drug programme that guy lance armstrong and a bunch of other people its key now works for the you have seen and heard oh yes oh yes and he has for quite a while now and he is almost completely cleaned up the amount of people that are doing people still get caught every now and then but the amount of time ball with whether physique of changed were their performance is changed where
the result inside the octagon of like drastically dropped off is pretty obvious insignificant to the point where emma may fans and in other pundits and analysed are looking at this they're gone wow this is fascinating i guess you're seeing people change i there's a term that we use in emma melick pre usanga like prescott in post you sought a letter they get about the drugs are the fight still as good exciting i watch or the bad guys for sure yeah the basque guys are still the bad guys but there's i'm guys that were the best guys they were on legal stuff they used out aloud testosterone replacement therapies to be legal so all to do was take steroids go to your doktor get off steroids you're you're testosterone crashes the doctors a diagram america low test you know what son you have a condition it is called testosterone and they would prescribe i feel the same way like when you are talking about alcohols and being a disease that would scott desire that test
your own loss as a disease is mad aids his medicine and so they would give these guys testosterone unlike thirty five thirty six year old guys beaches jacked check to that end fighting not just jacked and go to the beach but like involved in sport where your whole purpose to do physical harm to your opponent raise this drug allows you to do or more physical harm which is given that cycling like if a guy gets really it cycling and he has to use drugs to get really good at cycling in east cheating to win that's one thing what if he's doing these drugs in its allowing an put other people in the hospital things it very weird well the moral argument if you're saying that the fighters are just as fund a watch their exciting competitive without the drugs and fewer people are harmed from taking the drugs to maybe that's a good thing that would be argument for
you saw that the argument could even be said that the fights are more exciting because people more vulnerable they get knocked out easier they get tired easier and sometimes it makes fights crazier as guys have tested positive for after even championship level fights who's this guy ali bag routine off whose a top fly wait fighter an interesting enough he fought a guy who doesn't dope who's the best power for pound fire in the world is guy dmitri mighty mouse johnson mighty miles beat him one of the ways he beat him as with volume and pace like this guy couldn't keep up the pace as is in efficiency of technique is also a really critical and mme because a guy who doesn't have efficiency and puts too much kinetic energy and muscle behind techniques they tend to fade quicker it can have as a result of catch some over the shot but if you don't over a long period time drain your gas tank to anything of it a single value vienna single bout so this efficiency overcame the drugs the guy was on his is physical efficiency in this technique so the process
is stopping the arms race rybody building arms race the vote the moment somebody get away with it then everybody thinks that is being done and they have to do it and you have this behavioral game theory thing of the of an arms race sarah nabiscos point i guess we wouldn't have nipped in the bud one's gonna do it we're gonna make the consequences super harsh slash and what are the what is yet to year suspension if you get caught and a bunch of people have gone that two years and also you have to let you saw to know where you are every minute of every day kay em and testing i'm goin fish i'm gonna be on lake mead find me that's where i m and then you might get a text why our lake me come to the dock the dog and is a guy stand there and is gonna take your blood i had shale sun and on the pod castings talk about how invasive it was and how crazy as it is show up were of you are and he was do they were you're doing it in like a closet with like a mob and everything's like does it not a sanitarium taken my blood in this weird
environment like this this is kind of fuck doubly dared they're just trying to catch people that will be interested to see what happens with these leaks that are coming out yesterday the russians hacked the u sata database there the william sisters the gymnast by el simone biles and in other threatening d least more in the coming days and they were on all kind they didn't say what they were on but that they had medical exemption well one of whom was oxy codeine one of the william sisters was on shoes on proxies right miles was taken think riddle and medication for honesty and she came out i think today made a statement about it really yeah well that's a saddle isn't really real in the form of a bubble rubber bruin isn't a form of like an amphetamine agenda it is essentially a stimulant yeah why that a stimulant with the performance enhancing drugs why would they let
you do right well pre press launched in the air though not split voting that picture it's great it was a i've adhd have taken medicine for it since i was a kid please no i believe in king clean sport always follow the rules will continue to do so as far as play fair place critical to sport as very import but as i mean what does i mean like a what how does eighty eight d how's out affected by ritalin like what is speed do now eyes eighty etc it's one of these counter intuitive things that members biochemistry of it is but the stimuli actually counters the hyperactivity and slow you down here too weird thing again remember why it but his is hyperactivity a controversial well aged adhd as well this is one of those so the loose big categories it more and more people got and tossed into
yeah i used to be a little boy in fourth grade was just you know he was just had a lot of energy and he was i was running around now he's got a disease that adhd well we got to medicate him why not just let him go out and have a little longer plate play time this was a counter arguments to crises model amid again is back to that it's a behavior no it's a disease so we got a treaty with a drug so you have this over medication effect now i can't say i was apparent of adhd get i wouldn't be glad to have some meds but i think the consensus is far too more much medication of children who really it took to behaviour to spectrum you know if you're just completely out of control of here but most that are taken you're probably in the bell curb somewhere not that bad i think that's really important point that out that there is a great big spectrum like a lot of things we ve been talking about there's just people that are almost unmanageable and his people that might a kid
might just be a little bit rowdy you know me she just jobs up down the couch and tell her not doing like i'm gettin this fuckin kid on some pills and out it astina teachers want control of the classrooms it's this old goes back to the nineteenth century put him all in rows because we're training them to work in industry or being military yeah really all it was and that's all still as and where we're stuck with the echoes of that due to the point where if you want do something like there's a lot of things the eu can do for a living that don't involve at it additional model of what the trying to teach you in school and when you think about those things is options they think that they they seem per posture is and they seem like a pipe dream like this idea
you're going to be a famous author yeah sure you d like you that you're gonna be in a band oh yeah you to their isolation that someone in a fucking band is someone in a band like we get all this music right some of the planet's music how come i can't do it you can't do it now i have to work get up and worked like you we train these people to think that this is the path that everyone else taken the occasional person ejects from that path and goes in makes their own knives in oh and start some sort of your business but why can't end body who wants to do that do that while they can the problem is the most professional part of your life their teaching a really important things like math and science in english and grammar we all need those things but there also teach new patterns in their teaching you about the potential for your future and this potential for your future becomes a reality can escape as everybody else is done it your friends
i'll do it in what are called college you apply to like what we're gonna major wiggle twenty gonna take the bar illegally and we still want to be a singer dignities people who don't go to college scenario and feel i gotta go to college the fact is not everyone should go to college there's really known need for it's a waste of time and money they're not going to get any valuable skills that they can actually use and they don't even want to be there but they feel like my parents want me to go and my friends are all going and society says i gotta have a decree so i gotta go so now we have this proliferation of colleges universities that and you know the skyrocketing costs and so on what was wrong with trade school co now trade schools are kind of looked down upon that's what i would trade schools trade schools are great but you know we sort of stigmatized at ten i think it's artificially in people in places where they feel inadequate because actually somewhere else they be they be making a lot of money at a particular trade that there really good at and they'd be happy mender but with alter that since the second world war
happened while the structure of school i think of benefits aids and gives them discipline like why you gotta get up at seven o clock in the morning how to get there and yet to figure out how to get your body to get you to figure out how to fire your mind up your first class at eight a m i think i'll that's probably good because its test it's like you're you're overcoming and then in overcoming in getting through those tests at school or getting through whatever weird social stuff they got going on your classroom you develop a sort of some data its disappearance about the world there are something to that but i just think this model that they want people to follow when i see most people follow his motto mike is this this is just because people haven't been creative they haven't been imaginative and thinking about what they would like to do better than what they're doing now or is it just this this pattern is so easy to slip into and we don't even realize until you're in it and then you can get out of it i am encouraged by the by
like you das city and the milk courses the teaching company courses all the audible books are there so many ways to get a free education a line of this stuff is threerd super cheap the knowledge is accessible there for everybody else it's sort of the high you get at this in a disciplined way get the information the think that dat words the key right discipline yeah yeah cause the difference between what you're going to do on your own verses what you're gonna you in college very different but then the question becomes is it healthy to takes a nineteen year old kid in that you know most promising and fun and exciting moment of her life right years a teenager you leaving your parents house and bird them with some insane workload of shit that they have to do to the point always stressed out their constantly dealing with tasks there always treat her drowning in papers there always though is how the research there always
constantly working i give you look at the work load of kid in college i guess it teaches them discipline yes it teaches them that it's hard up there and you got a really figure out how to push yourself does although thanks but it also robs them of a lot of fun in these years are they live and i'm not exactly sure if everything that their law learning and their spending all his time on is even ever going to beneficial effect the argument would be the most of it is nonsense i never going to use it right anymore you're nineteen should we haven't funded enjoying the vitality and i was at pepperdine university and malibu of the fur member the first for your graduating class nearly seventy six plus seventy six was it the jock darwin but baseball players and tennis players just just rudy eyes and in there i can't wait to get out i want to get out there and my own is late winter we ever
given malibu again every hour here by a ping pong any going to heaven there's the ocean pacific oceans right there in the german outside unless you're oprah sub you're not gonna be living like this again so true that places like the perfect spot imaginative now though my god mrs either about that gave it to george pepperdine companies that ran at school in leipzig sixty nine or something that was landed malibu canyon road and pc age that probably be billions of dollars now probably won't be right if you stop and think about how many million should with let him build anything right i'm gonna talk about it later tickets did you see this i tt tax you mentioned trades goals and i regret this should happen like last two weeks they got completely shut down by the depart education work that says former i tv tat students declared debt strike i'm stuck
up to my neck in debt for the rest of my life and quote you have a problem with that that mary reproved textiles are good is a lot of them get lena turn into these like diploma mills than he begged basically are for profit brian tatum private company but for something like this you end up churning out students at can't get jobs but they have this huge debt and they were the reason this is the story is because the federal government was financing some of their tuition it turns out you know i was quite a pyramid scheme but something along those lines and so the government to say well when i can do this anymore if this tax dollars and so now these students they'll get finance it any more and the school is still charging fifty thousand a year something it's like that's the end of the game while so the realities private tech school or because private schools and general depend on federal government money through the students they're not
really for profit in the sense of were competing in the market place like apple verses ibm minutes it you know the best product will win it's not like that they're getting subsidized heavily sucks ized heavily subsidized but yet the prices so elevated that people can afford it it's really crazy how much it costs get an education and i stand that its in expensive too tried to give someone in education expensive try to run use university to try i mean well that our great teachers and professors deserve a fair pay they deserve a lot of momentous article by david from afar you em in the atlantic monica com sailor day on why colleges are so expensive any tracks like the number of professors that have increased over the last fifty years which as you know maybe minor verses the number of administrators in a d get support staff incisive scroll down a little bit
let's see right there so this is california colleges state university system from eleven thousand six hundred and twelve thousand professors but the number of administrators went from three thousand a twelve thousand wow that's the money goes you know your pay and those are full time jobs knell of health care and benefits and retirement and all that's that's where the expenses is none that not enough they actual teaching you have you have a brain professor with a brain give sending the ideas in the brains of the students in the classroom it's all the support structure around it not to mention these gems and dorms and cafeterias it are now nice restaurants in all its expensive this is all areas listeners today's new york times offers one modest illustration over the past eighteen months time reports ninety american colleges and universities have hired chief diversity officers
these administrators who are hired in response to the wave of racial incidents that con convulsed convulsed campuses like the university of missouri over the past year their hulking at an already thriving industry while march two thousand sixteen the national association adversely officers in higher education held its tenth annual conference at san francisco hilarious attendance at a new record three huh in seven day the association publishes a journal it bestows awards of excellence that that fuckin thing in the universe missouri was a shock insight into how colleges really work lady was yelling at that student who was a photographer who is his job to the worst thing for this when my list click was professor of communications yes which is aware and the guy was an he s p end reporter sent
cover the protest they were going to have and here's a professor of communication say no press not only that she asked for muscle rice work i really like what are you a goon you want to bring in the girl and you see as it actually comes up and gas knox camera but it's this this self righteous like an end is lack of understood and then is there she is here has declared its lack of understanding how other people perceiving what you're doing and the possibility that what you're doing is not cool it all right that this idea of having this safe space like what this is college where you saying i will explore what happened here away was what was his racial incident and let's get to the heart of that let's not get angry at some guys taken a picture of things and i photographing things where you are
openly protesting in a public place i would assume you want attention here right isn't that hold a line of hard right right so this idea that you can get some guy and hit his camera when he's this is crazy person but it's a person whose this is they have too much power right there's too much authority well on the good side she was fired and appealed in law so she's out that is goods has got and inside their sugar today just in the last few weeks the one of the deity oversee chicago sent a letter out now everyone's read it went viral yes solid class at twenty twenty no say spaces no microgram we're not disavowed speakers you gotta grow and where i teach a german university sent that letter to the president as it hey maybe you know maybe we should use it like that and it first
said well and are now you know we don't really have a problem with that here chapman everything's cool out on a strictly and then he decided he do it so he did it and then they orange county register published it and i thought this is great so my first week of class last week to my students we read it i said this is it there is no safe spaces year on german and so on your adults now than they seem fine with it i think it's he set up a system of sort of a moral panic and you start looking for any racial slurs or slide sir it makes conversation really hazardous like i got navigate around i better not use a better be very careful and all of a sudden i just shuts people down it becomes like mccarthyism for morality right here you start looking for people who are violators of it and like all these other things that we discuss there's a spectrum and this p well that are on the extreme far fringe who work
literally recreational outrage at everything they say all throughout the world without no perspective at all and instead of being able to look at these things and try to see things from other people's points of view in perspective every single thing becomes a racist or pantry arc or homophobic or transfer back and is all these different new phrases they get able certain fat shaming at all these different trigger warnings that they would like in almost every images becomes a ridiculous nerved up environment that year living in and when you're in school and you are preparing the real world right if you really think that you're gonna get through school with all craziness about save spaces and certain things trigger you and what should be what be legal and you know of cultural procreation white people should we weren't dread locks and all the nonsense either showing these kids
crazy its rays eateth assume that you can get through that and then because a functioning member of society and work with forty year old people who think you're retarded right this is given a dark next week a gal state fullerton on his very soon because last year the sorority get in trouble tis a held a taco tuesday yes that cultural appropriation aw that really part of it is i think like a realisation that the third there just our assholes in the world people during this bed nasty people whatever the question is how do you deal with them so like a chapman for example last year that the algae bt q a community wide diana these are new ones out dimly also the key was questioning or queer i was listening those square
one question in case you're not sure where eu circuit should we have to choose to so we don't if discriminate between leaping we're in the questionnaire resets let's make that so please people let's not be insensitive lizzy i think intersection al our inner sexuality and to have some of you see me we insects there i think that's for the biological you have a different genitals in you feel like you should there's something i have you seen pants actual pet yes there was a woman years congress person i think she was who came out as pan sexual is that what you was now she wasn't congressmen true state representative i think what the fuck did you do she came out pan sex the first pan sexual politician i what is sexual mania like major nothing it's everything here barely a very dear little bit of a merry gonzalez texas day representative identifies as pan sexual in new interview my good sense axles don't believe in age
and or by not no gender by so this called success sexist hetero patriarchy that you believe there's only two men and women and that that is discriminatory because there's people letter in between i think there are i think they're definitely are i think there's there's people have different levels of intelligence is people that are shorter these people that have different levels of sexual desire this and there's gotta be people that are on the borderline between a man and a woman and they choose their me there also think of them is fuzzy sets with a little bit of overlapping on the borders most people are in one or the other yes there are people in between ok what a weed what do we do nothing you have to do anything don't discriminate yes of course you know don't you know don't say to an asian person you must be good at math conjuration like that yet a deck but isn't that a compliment why did you see
black i say you must have a big dick is your black eye as you gonna go you re species as not right if you say to a guy like you must be a genius you're in a european geo like that they say what you like that line and herons howard stern movie worry jewish kit of black high school in jersey and he said they say it's a stereo type of blacks have bigger penises than lighted it may be said but i wish i had a stereo type with like that anyway so last year i went to this little safe space talk discussion the only me the you i don't worry i chapman ok so i wonder sexual was the last one was the sea to be i forget what the analogue the threat of i have to factory had fallen prohibited is cords what's the age sexual
it is actually a sexual mentioning two interesting does have no that's true that people like round the own resources ceiling and others truth in all these things in the people they were there is maybe it doesn't people are so very nice very thoughtful you know we dislike to help people ok i feel left out and i think that you each in their sexual you can start to see i can certainly this meeting how the ape pseudo problem becomes a problem that isn't real and that is we're here to meet to discuss the problem we have ok what's the problem well there were some incidences against algae bt people here on campus ok what happened while first of vi just ass well like how many times as has happened like once a day once a week once a year but the rate donor we don't have any data while it but is it worse now ass much worse
well how many times did it ever last year five years ago we know how many data how do you know it's worse but just kind of feels worse you know like we get more eu males that this meaningless then it was like won't like gimme some incidents like good examples happen well i i heard about this gave up all their walk in hand in hand serve on the perimeter the campus down the sidewalk of the local street in some guy in a pickup truck job i made a remark is that that's it you know there's just at their assholes driver back on the cecile never that's never gonna be zero can there's no place you gonna go where you're can be safe from that in the world answer the question how do you deal with it in what you can to save fucker
facile or just ignore or whatever but you know the idea of i'm hurt i'm injured damage so i have to go and meet with my people where we talk about how the hurt and damaged we feel that's gonna make it worse i think it's gonna turn and that non problem but a minuscule problem into a big problem that doesn't need to be that way that that's my opinion that what words were really generalise and here is right we don't know what this suppose it aggressor said there's a bunch of different things they said you know they could buying go i love your hair and then does it have going right his piece of shit is truly gender me there's levin s right a threat of course there's some preposterous recreational outrage that really in on one hand it's what what is what's bad it is its indulgent and silly but what's also at about it is it develops this cry wolf mentality
when you see people getting offended by things that are so fuckin ridiculous you all i'd be willing to dismiss everything on their team you know we that they're trying to push for that some things might have some merit to them things might be really valid but it's all in the same camp these ridiculous oversensitive people that are looking to get recreational outrage all the time so they might attach themselves to really look my points that people there be more sort of more rigid or conservative and their ideology rejected outright they even considering its these fuckin dummy and there there the crazy outrage in their safe spaces like those people where they might be attached to some really good ideas about how maybe not a good idea to have a bunch of guys on your camp as yell and shit out a girl or they walk right and maybe we can figure out how to stop that well that's right all these have little colonel
ruth in moral progress as i said happens seen a bottom up change language and science it starts off well intention that the question is what do you do when somebody says something offences you know we turn it into a massive camp is crisis you just say a guy do the cycle to still say that kind of shut with its fun acceptable the fact that they do oh costume incident at yale asked you're ok so you know that lee member sent out that he may of this year you know you're adults we're not gonna tell you what costumes you can and cannot where in this erupt into this it won't one of somebody shows up in black face al admit somebody shows up in black face had a hallowing party that's that's that's kind of pushing the tourism remove yes i'll just whatever you're over here you know about how much do you have a mexican had some rare our you dressed up as a native american i mean really made southern sort of scales from offensive to innovate
was it more offensive to wear black face than it is to wear red face i have no idea but it seems to be that do you can can i get away with red face still right well the redskins you know about we not that when we talk about this passage new rules we have to sit down about but decide what we have set about but why not just you know these are adults we don't like hell you tell me to play in the sand box tat s enough ladies if your cat called just telling i shut the fuck up or fuck off we're just ignore well and got until a guy should be two young guys you know you want you get laid kept calling woman isn't it the opposite of and now you never know that or do some freaks out there you might call a man com like i l call and i already data that have raised that this freaks to freak studies out there that set out freaks journal a freak biogas islam jochen but i think that when we're talking about the difference between those phil we watch these men beat the shit out of women and i would like to see
standard and the outliers when a person does show up on campus and a yell out sexist things like woe rises in our age is thing because it so rare because there has been progress so even though i think that a lot of people in the recreational outrage community are outrageously stupid in their efforts to make everything an offence i think that the pressure of all that craziness actually somehow can probably own things down if the left get so outrageous in its demands the right kind of meat from somewhere in the miller get to hear but they're gonna fuck down in our call caitlin jenner caitlin our car caitlin let's just relax on doing that to six year olds oil let's figure out a comfortable medium and then in coming more and more tolerant as time goes on it'll just be the norm just cite slapping people movies was normal and nineteen sixty but today its outrages and in a television show like that to the moon alice i have you had a new guy you know
them out some caverns aims kevin james is in some new sitcom way threatened a beat the shit out of his wife i woe how with that shows they say there has been progress made absolutely so i think you know we're getting outrageously upset about things that merit being outrageously upset it makes everybody think but when p for outrageously upset about someone haven't a fuckin taco tuesday great you know trying to cut some white dunes dread locks like a cat you're losing me here you're going too far i going too far the other what you're not reasonable looking to get pissed off over nonsense like there's things to be pivotal year about kid who got away with raping some girl and he was the girl at pat been passed out and here we got some six months ago that says marks yeah that is something
to be always out loudly that's real scary thing you should be really pissed off not talk of fucking tuesday right so there i think they're that hurts the cause of real injustice is going to be correct did you get lumped in with the silly stuff and this not so we have to get lay from binary thinking to scale thinking yes yes you know it's a spy trim and choosing gender teams to becomes a real issue because peace is a shit on the male side and there really fucking questionable people on the female side too like the mattress girl thing you know where this colombia that guy suing school now she she collected heard diploma with a mattress and we don't know what happened because we weren't there but there's some crazy text exchanged back and right where she's ask him to come over and variety or in the ass or something so she said that i make that up allegedly if that out i don't want you super important that you be real clare maybe i don't know what the fuck happened but if if it
really is something like that what was the the false rape accusation that made it to the new york times are sees me a rolling stone the rolling die us right was in virginia mean that is crazy that's crazy and when something gets the what words in rolling stone it's a complete total fabrication like that we're somebody just made something up and it didn't go through the proper channels because everything with dealing with gender and all these issues that are supersensitive issues gets treaty with kid gloves instead of approaching it with the same kind of scepticism would murder case or a case of theft it instead it gets immediately looked at like there's one possible scenario here is women's victimized question her would be horrific and you shouldn't even observe the facts you shouldn't have an open mind you have to go into it with
even i really don't have any information really whatsoever other than people talking for i have to go into it with this idea that this person talking's telling you the truth right otherwise your blaming the victim it means shocked fuck me in the bud thank you i get nervous she said bluntly during one facebook exchange sassy i dont know what happened between them and if someone says you attacks like that it doesn't mean that you're allowed to rape them but his version of what happened versus her version what happened you don't know whose telling the truth right you just don't know and went when it gets so outrageous that this rolling stone thing gets published and gets really with kid gloves and one of the most important magazines in american crow you're right treats this if it's a real storing it turns out to be a complete fabrication its
in some ways highlights the problems with dealing with this kind of stuff in a non objective way karel to ever throat or nice piece versus sceptic what you what we mean when we talk about rape and it gets a categorical binary thing inside there's perfect behaviour and everything else is rape the answer he talks about you know the dance of seduction and in other guys pressing indian ocean say no and then he says ok then he kind of hence it maybe ok a little bit more than a sort of do you know that the whole foreplay process is kind of a way of ending up over here and yes absolutely whenever she says no than that's it it's no but it isn't like you know she said no when they were still at the restaurant and he just raped or anyway usually it there's a whole series of steps that we never get to see or no one knows we weren't there we don't know what happened in what the grey area was and when she
there's no but no four now maybe later you and none of that gets recorded so we have no idea happens won't we also have to consider the like we ve been talking about with so many different other examples that there is a giant spectrum of people's behaviour there are men that i know that like to get lost around by women and smacked around and they like them to do terrible things to them and they will pay these women to do this i ll go to a dominatrix s woman will insult them in hit them she beats them paddles them they do all kinds of crazy stuff to him in a lot of these guys like wealthy guys who had it you know they have a high pressure careers and i've met these guys of talk to him i'd know guys have had this thing but if it's the other if it's a woman unless gain smacked around by a guy then it becomes a career like you don't wanna know that girl is exists i gotta go a woman can hire a male dominatrix to kick her ass an raper but a man
can hire a one humiliate or peace on earth skylights girls to piss aren't really crazy jim norton he's up while the man but he'll detox it openly is easy but he's not that the high high pressure executive type ties are doing he just not in a pervert but hilarious polaris community but ok i mean he doesn't get beat up but it's it's ok like you can you can be a man and you can hire some woman a kick your ass and you can have this desire to have as happened to you but we're supposed to pretend that is not some woman out there who doesn't want to liking gauge in a similar type of activity with a man and they must exist riches do they just do they must and if is it the same if you who decide that you and you're the person that you have sex with a view decide that you'd this is the
where you do things you you decide that she likes to smack you around and she likes to get on top eu and you get off on it and it tells you when you're gonna have sex no now mother fucker we're gonna go and you gotta give into this is this weird game you guys play that is completely fine but if the rolls reversed you do that her and you guys both off on it it's a terrible crime and it's interesting just think it's not we're not talking grape were knocking do not talking in pro rape in any way shape or form or pro domestic violence or talking about people like weird shit right and some people actually want you to commit crimes to them imagine a scenario in which that was all consensual in six months later he published historian please don't say and i never consented she beat me yeah reversals roles it looks i write terrible but just you don't know what all the steps where there is a great little short films like this
rape apology talk though you know that i know women you the even discussing this you become a rape apologists so we shall be really clear that's not what i doing i'm looking at all possibilities of human behaviour and i'm saying people are fucking weird were weird you know are our ideals a lot of times are shaped by popular culture and the ship by songs in movies and those in some ways dictate more of what we expect from our life in the actual lives we see around us right six people were fuckin strange their fuckin strange this this new law in california to verbal concern ass how do you know unless you recorded yeah it's still he said she say well i asked her verbally she said yes and then she says i never said how do we know did you see the video the got release for this really wealthy billionaire character in florida filmed his girlfriend beating herself up she's on the bed
had any put in a security camera because i don't me in may just knew she was gonna do something crazy like that so breaking up with her and she told please he beat her up she's on the bed way calling herself in the family and is very screaming at the top our lungs were working yourself into a frenzy problem with the windows open southern neighbours can hear it and she's just reading the shit out of herself and what does he didn't have video you'd be screwed exactly yeah and many people happen for sure i mean this is not again this is not being a domestic violence hollow justice is not saying that moran don't beat women is just saying when we look at things as i'm a man so i sighed with all men are i'm a woman so that women must be telling the truth will create we're do just people is awesome people that are men there's awesome people that are women there's awesome people that are as actual there's really right on until early get lost film short online account member the producer might have been right minister a right men producer
yeah i've unripened zone is maybe that was it anyway it's a young couple like an adorn room in there on the bed clothes on their make an out and poor play in some places you i think i i better get there you know the thing and she goes yea i think he should think easy to reach for a condom many poles contra doubt and he's like our rights and then he and his lawyer comes in and then her look like ok my client would like to touch your client on the breast now your client a graded this okay so he checked this and the whole thing goes through that yeah scott consents me my son jason right that's it out there we go there's a hilarious one that was a pro consent video that they had released try to get people acclimated with this idea and its attractive young couple like hipster looking dude here like a functional dash and his he's with a girl and they're making out and he's like touch your leg and she's like yes and then she's like and i touch your leg unease i guess and he's like no
soon she says yes and he was take a shirt off she was not yet and they keep making it's it's kind heart like i don't think she fuckin have do that all the time and especially if you're in a relationship with someone then it's ridiculous that i could understand like the first couple of time to do it but the video like our support dad being a rule but of two people want do that on their own david those kind of like it looks like while eventually she said no and then she said yes to short came off we're making progress some things are happening she's she's obviously enjoying this make out thing like that's cannot but you shouldn't fuckin have to do that most people who never done then this idea that you make it a law yes and then you get enforce it how to enforce the law and second of work with everybody some people don't want to see shit some
and don't want to talk about it some men don't want to talk about in some people talk about every single aspect i find someone who mashes with what you're living even interview i think it might have been in rolling might have been in the atlantic wherewith it cut a college covered in the guy he's kept asking earn as i do that she's a shut the fuck up and just fuck me of on with its veto we that's ok to write it every day ok but as soon as you start telling people you gotta ask every question in the book before you do it now you don't know you don't know you just don't rate people still re people and they were all good it's real sample i'm holding by down or make them do tangs commoner passed out we done yeah it's gets it gets a little silly but in the end pension behind it is like you're saying the intention behind it ultimately is about price grass the ultimate lies about making an environment whether its
intentioned or not or when it way whether it's like thought out or not the ideas create a safer environment is just you doing that just annoying the fuck out of people and the same amount of sexual saw is gonna go i don't know it's an interesting question because it if you pull so far left do they meeting different place than they would be if you just let em well boys or be boys stay away from the fraternity ladies and gentlemen that doesn't fly anymore so maybe it does in some way help and then you know it's that step we put up with diversity officers i mean the moment you hire somebody whose job it is to basically look for it firstly any time it doesn't mean what do you know what were the criteria at that moment to say ok we have a problem yeah ok do we really have a prompt maybe a little bit but now it's a big at official probably had a right it up we get up they get alot barely work
yeah busy work had examined more looking then they're looking for trouble like unions have been doing that since the beginning a tiny sets teachers unions gets the mean that's it that's a big issue they ve been creek hitting jobs since the beginning a time there was always had a body mine who had a job on what is that where they do the big the javert centre javert setter near he had a job where he doesn't even go there but you gotta check every you didn't even go there he never went there and he was one of those no show jobs is like some unit deal that they arrayed probably with court of court organised crime so that all that stuff so he's been fluffed up pressure so this idea of having all these diversity officers they're gonna fuckin create conflict just to keep their job afloat the last thing they want is them to be obsolete i will look we
just decided like taco tuesdays good like tacos cry and yeah can dress like an indian if you really love native americans made you really ever respectfully not like being an asshole about what i call the black sea we're gonna that alone and i gotta go a blackberries but that's that's why we only the rule is don't be a deck and most but no when there being a deck they don't than than your colleagues of french and tell you what can you do dick and be funny like like ok you ask media and i can't but it why did i would have a black eye dress like a white guy puts white face on and just doing the most ridiculous white stereotypes member when tat dancing chaos at the oscars the animals are really at the oldest or somebody even updating or anymore
little joke about will chamberlains record any who should have a like face number that that was a year he got there was a big controversy yeah i mean that's unit at this moment i'm gonna reliable assets like braun citing eightys i think you know maybe that is hilarity did no longer funny is that crazy though that this is one specific look with make up we do not allow right you cannot pretend to be a wise person who can be a white person is potentially a black person but you can pretend to be anything else right like a man can pretend they probably good reasons for that in our history will who funding was who played charlie chan was a white guy right the thing chinese tat there was a white guy and weak and when john wayne played gang is higher number that didn't tom cruise play an asian and
one of the now he was the last samurai but he was a year no man it's it's it's interesting and i get it there was every night two hundred years i get i understand the whole thing but it still quite odd now and when a boy person puts on white face it pretends to be a white person no one gives of fatah area right warner o land is charlie chan that the most non china's use totally puerto rican mustache what nationality was that guy did you have some weird stuff but on his face but now what nationality is if you had to guess what you say i say maybe native american in swedish of god or let's go native american practically chinese close to anything is why the widest raise can pick up once more the swedish people does that
it is therefore nourish me balls and shit like this with chocolate switzerland that's different countries but that's really white fortunately charlie chance of minorities is distorted in this book and audio the for the fifty year mission sort of oral history of star trek why are they start with work it out only but you know the actors field a black asian and so more they actually got to play a real black relation international job and that was nineteen sixty six that was pretty innovative the really important i gotta played silly what's his name george decay georgia stir sky japanese and in all he was talking to soil history about what kind of the kinds of jobs he had before star trek which you know you play that sort of knocked the servant but they are not just agent asian or whatever but never like an actual real job where you have an important position
it's a cable lived in an interment camp areas a guy at right the terrifying yet that's that's how recently that was yeah so rod mary with something of a visionary nets and saw a little bit ahead of its time on that do that awesome here even to this day it is hit that corny place like just one word captain kirk has to fight them lizard do with a shitty outfit on thursday i was right here at vasco rocks was it right up off a fourteen you can go there you can see where captain kirk pushed him off like near to pangaea like tat way not vasquez rugosities us offer highway fourteen years how we fourteen they take five north fourteen that goes up to land drapeau now ok we out there and we did a lot of on all those westerns or shot out there we did a lot of fear factor stuff out their re potidaea all that's so predicted yet while man then it's beautiful that's where that is its own european area watch this video this is awesome awesome awesome this guy
whose playing the lizard guy is so bad like everything is so bad the outfit so bad movement so bad like google slow this is look ass though you this is fucking incredibly bad he swings look this money is not its motion this is how the shows really plan out which are so this is what you throw kick out captain kirk men of catch a kick that's that's bad my tie you suppose it leg out you don't throw the guy in the air like that and if you deafening throw money i follow up or you're grounded poundage ok look at this how come the lizards so right now he's gotta do the helmet slap eardrums grams right look at this in turn become bad this is my god this is amazingly bab when your ten years old this is really really high drama i was incredible back that look he does
the double ear smack lizard can't handle it and then he runs away like the slowest white guy that's ever walked the face of the earth i mean this is so stupid and areas get this target a volley wrought iron phone rock and watch out looks fake too like even is picking up examine straining look up weaknesses it throws it when it hits i'm writing a chess nothin can't believe this meanwhile go back to him in the year mother fucker you hit him on the area was hurt and there's another video that was just released a few weeks ago of shatner and the lizard monster on on his couch and they want you to tv show or something and they start fighting he will keep the i want to find out how this end that's really stupid it wasn't it doesn't end into he makes gunpowder in shooting guides boy talk about given a guy a lot of room through a big giant rock looks it shall this list all the sudden is so strong that he could take a fight
minor pow rock and throw it like it's a basketball just a few minutes ago he was struggling with weak ass captain kirk that's at its end in a technique look you hit him on the ear he did some serious doubts image and you let that gaullist are thrown rock i go back to hitting them in the fucking ear just go wakeham in the ear setting the stability as a soft spot keep doing there then show and before the forty eight minutes is now find it it's so hilarious how slow the thing was move and it was worse than i thought it was see that's us also that is then i look at this same technique look that's a merry because all of their birth that that is larry us he's going after beget that's where is this is really funny shatner gotta get sense added to that area send up of himself yeah it's but that
is that show and that that scene it shows in a lot of ways how far art entertainment of all yes mean dad is that's a comedy today like if you had that i'm comedy central if you like ridiculous space show if you call it ridiculous spatial essentially just have a lot of the same shit there was in regular space movies reenact unprepared laughter i would love to hear the right lines that went along with how stupid that looks like my myers send ups and others by movies right but if you watch like science fiction movie today like if you're siena netflix show stranger things i just got into it ma for five episodes into its falcon great bro he had been told me was bad he's crazy is really good stranger things on netflix its with home while it still shit room went on a rider she's a bed awesome attitude and matthew mode dean the guy from vision quest he's in it to really good really good
foreign raining this oral history because i d have these fine memories when i was twelve years old love that show now i get lost and her wanted more money and then when nimois became famous he got past and was started canada's lines and then the name i wanted to raise is that i don't really want to double the dusk i studied duchess themselves is it and as bobby pretty common with any business i suppose when screech wrote a book say by the boughs crushed it was at insight i m an air now screech say by the bell you know it's here but about who is a ridiculous children's sitka was on nickelodeon elinor was as anti nbc t nbc was saturday morning embassy huge shell you'd show amongst little kids and why of a rebelled he came i did porn wrote books got a knife fight and fight like relaxing celebrity boxing assembly this should i am i didn't nod danny do spot a duty
he beat the shit out of them right now he beat up welcome backwater is agreed strategy we went to jail to again he said somebody s ear i literally behind the bell s crazy and so he rode in autobiography saying that tiffany empathy with bangs regularity boxing memorial open the banks are very well my get smarter lopez i was in a area mario wrote he wrote that that mario lopez timer read that you know i was in its like mario evelyn a pitch meaning one time at fox fucks reality might doornail was their big reality show guy he's when brought all the big american idol showed type shows clearly american idol anyway we a pigeon sceptic show so had a production company and myself in we had our weight in the little room for him
be done with his meeting any came out to apologise that he was late because they response have a big celebrity boxing match that night apology owns verses tanya hardy and cheese and tanya hardy got arrested that day for beating her boyfriend up with cap in their trailer park something i've ever seen you thinking what am i doing here you i mean call jones one abdul my panels or some crazy did she do didn't you do others well she did celebrity boxing and they get tanya harding did is up jones let's hilarious idea tat they had intelligence the woman who accuse bill clinton of doing dirty things to area allah and nepal tanya harding box doug stand up on manto man show had a boxing match she'd winter you're hurting became boxer for while never right she was doing like bodies
maybe there was a start and yeah she was just she's nice a matter she's nice person she's desperate for money million ice skater there she's sick she most mitigate athlete army can be an olympic ice skater oh yeah for sure actually now she was but that was a weird view into athletics right when nancy carriage is beaten up by that he hit or in the legs rang like here in a language stick or something like that some guy that attired was it a tyrant bessie i think he's chattered or that the new cap it right next to it are part of it are corrected or something you have is pretty i thought she was able to combat it was i think it was time you're hurting boyfriend that higher the guys she was indirectly involved right and dumb thereupon tonya harding win in the olympics right they wanted her right
meanwhile she it was her and nancy carrion they were then golden metal took to be cut competition for the gold medal yeah i don't remember the extent of the injury member nancy kerrigan was screaming and choose hold elected was a video of it elliot crazy but you came back there's a video was there a video of the guy doing it i don't think so ended this after alpine screaming she sheen of competing in those olympics that thing too that is so crazy that someone could do that just run up to this girl and smasher with attire iron is out what it was what is it we are i think the fact that is so crazy that's so crazy that someone could do that because of an ice gaining partition that instead of competing and trying to win and trying to be the best you hire someone a smash collapsible shouldn't collapsible with also was one of those batons the user or their ex husband her ex
husband was he a shame stand had been hired by her husband lily yeah that's good that's what michael's that's cool i'm telling you it also she was never convicted of being associated with it at all it was a equally well how could you know what the woodwork were sad right illiterate crazy that someone would do that for an ice gaining competition smash some girls leg that's its it but the girls and their attack sis cheerleader mom that attacked the other moms daughter who was competing with her daughter for the cheerleader that whether something in a years ago i can make maven killer just attacker brutally or something like that you might yet cheerleader murder ammonia to my mind is single lifetime movie story cod but it's real based on real area fill them out a few things based on real has devastated the rabbit in it there
it was a real early oh my god not only was it not real apparently that incites real but everybody says it's real or buddy i didn't i heard the story before from my friend stephen ella who was he's really kind of historian on the wild west get some great stories about the conflict should she native mary cons and travellers who knows all about the pioneers in the mountain man he said that that guy first of all i that leonardo caprio played never had a son when the main motivations of him going after this guy's got killed his son didn't have a son the only thing that was true was he got attacked by a bare and they left him and he survived but he didn't kill anybody but the really work helen people and survive in and i never killed any there really were trappers and there really were native americans and there really were bears yes all those things existed though it so funny when you have a moonlight than you put words and people's miles is decide what they could have said that sound a coup migration be allowed to do you know
stein means we're gonna make some shit right like you couldn't kevin costume you could do danced with walls cause you got a fate character but we know did wider europe made about shit up he decided what wyatt earp said how do you know we'd however according know its historical recreations like i m very strange writer do we had the wall like a firmer yards three hours and twenty somewhere around i know it's not the record better listen i know you're the latter is ready to give out there that there's that thank you band listen let everybody no where they get a hold of you wear it read your work where they kid sceptic dot com or michael schumacher com is the best place you're the first got or tat i'll tell you like that's it
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