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The job will gain experience. Stern Dodi, yes, will lie with a brother or you want to see a good see two men so for people don't know, I'm a damned way back in two thousand twelve. Does That seems like a long time ago now does it seems like at least half my life, which is not even Why is the true anywise it like five years? It was five years ago, half years ago, without backward and it was October of two thousand and twelve, I thought there's only two months left in the world, except that the Mai encounter was correct and it was all my guess: number twenty, first, two thousand twelve going to end the world hookah. Yes, you fucked often with the Montana to want it all right. Yeah we take, we took

canoe down the Missouri River that was fuckin. Awesome has now, while Swarm David trips ever cold, really cold, like not fun, call those that gets up but once you got move and it was fine, you know, and I learned about Marino WAR as the important There was an important lesson like the first light Marino Wool that people don't know if you're ever in a cold area, it sounds. Or any other base layer of Marino work that she gets wet. Stay warm universe, sweat and that you stay warm and it doesn't work half as much as is the synthetic version yeah at all. It's weird exe. People really like synthetics in some weird way. I haven't used them, or did you know you have I have they smell terrible? She actually dont care. I like em both, but I just you know, working with those guys for so long and and first light. I got used to it I like it, but I use synthetics for ten years before that, and I mean I didn't smell good buddy,

a lot of mountaineering people like some synthetics because they dry quicker, but as I feel that one of the best benefits of the war is that which is where it still retains your warmth, and I don't mind being a little moist with synthetic keep you warm too, and there were just that slightly different value. I Cotonou not really, I can't go out all night, but a synthetic like Catalina Patagonia uses or other things. That They also will they want. They won't, kill you but yeah that them realise and other better qualities, GAD system with a stink things huge. I thought small terrible those a fund trip man that was actually the first episode of that show that I know fully kind of shot and directed myself so that those kind of a big stage from is fine. I just basically how now account Darrell week. Would you have when you have Cowan when Cowan has like a captive audiences, the funny man alive? I will never

I won't share them ass, good, a few scenes from the campfire. Do you remember the ravine calmer? Remember I remember him. Taking a shit literally ten feet from our camp. Fire is ass, Dick enough and we flag at it. I took pictures of that shit that we put a luminous flag on it and stuck it in there. I ve never touched another man's shit other than it is a try to set up. Hunt for myself last year in the brakes and adjust ended up, didn't happening, but the one my favorite place, it's so lonely out there, but so amazing that, area is so that such a perfect place to introduce coun? And I too, that the world of hunting the act as it so wild with multi faceted to give lotta history there you have the job no it's it's one of those areas where it's a complete wilderness experience, because you're on the water radiating we're gonna crossing roads like we got, dropped off at the end of the road and floated to basically the next rode down the river which had a big deal,

We floated forty miles down over the course of what was it six days, is what I want these bucks yeah that there does the market there. Buddy, hey, fella, that's a different time that was in Wisconsin. There was one word consonant with religious just put up but when we did do that, man it was. That was where Lewis and Clark had made some stuff. UPS expedition, and that's where, without one of the cruellest things about doing, with the network, as you know so much about the history of the United States and that these settling of United States and also the net purse indian stories do tell us. Shit years. Yeah, that's what I heard the store, about the what the he'll store the original story about the Leonardo Caprio Movie, the revenant like what really happened. Oh, what a pleasure it is to a movie. Ok yeah. He told me that store the actual story about the guy that got left behind and crawled many many miles and with the guys, do not remember the actual guy's name

but there's so much they made up in the movies is kind of brutal yeah. There's a freaky movie. It was actually the Grizzly Bear TAT, yeah, a real free, giving real grizzly bear attack. So I bet the real grisly Scottish swatted that dude once and then just the Heath fell down and left him alone. Why do you think the cause that thing when it took pieces. Those a giant bear to. I just fuck bears man they scared the shit out of me. I wondered We, the average length of time of a bear attack like allies at last two seconds thirty seconds well that movie grisly man, apparently the audio of him getting killed by the areas like seven minutes law- I listen to that was terrible. No, it's not real the one you listen to online, not real! Oh no sheds fake, the actual audio was never really. My life is a lie, so many send it to me too, but then I looked into it in

Warner Herzog and the woman who owns the actual audio. They got rid of it. They they destroyed it. They never listened to it and Werner Herzog actually told her to destroy it in the documentary film. So the white when you hear it online is vague and then, once you know, it's fake in you listen to eager shits, fake Yuki Chan here when I I baking, I'm sure yeah little really want Let a grisly man audio. We here nigger yeah. This is real, gets on my top five movies of all time, too great. A credible too. The funniest movies ever far, unintentional commenting on my God is folly whether was this sheriff the sheriff goes. Why thought he was your tongue so here. Like screens and shed air Fox audio, bear it

wasn't going here. The echo here- that's that was done in all these these voices. These was meant to be in the woods these. That audio was unquestionably done in a room somewhere, Sierra resided at then toss vague horse, Selina. Those magua hours? They got us to think that benefited from creating, probably yeah, like some money yeah somebody probably put up some you too bad and made some cash, its intent, play possible or they just did it for fun. It's our people We haven't got time as the guy's reality. It sounds like you can here in here. Enthusiasm are shit. I believe this is so ridiculous, but its supposedly lasted seven minutes. Because American was writing them wait. So what's that where's. That step does not from

The real level of actual audio said because the bear not trying to kill him just eating up because bears Apparently, I've seen bears, kill moose in videos and they just start eating them they don't count rainforest doesn't all of dazzling wolves. Do they just eat right away? They started back, ended, started study. Leaving you they dont didn't bother them. Have the decency to at least a mountain line? Kills you and I'll cats kill ya. Airs and wolves. They just eat you I guess it you don't need to. They don't need incapacitate admire well it's also a thing with omnivores omnivores, I think don't have that instinct to instantly kill just stay here, but that doesn't make sense, though my theory socks, because a wolves because wolves the rooms are gone rings at yeah. So maybe it sir interesting I mean that they do that, because they have to write like that's how they,

They take they take on a running animal. Yet of kills they snap at the legs right yeah and then they just it's the easiest soft as part of here to start on the bag in law I'm just a two part Cassidy about wolves in Idaho, where they were talking When you go deep into the back country where people can't get to or words are very difficult, really rocky terrain, the world just running ramp about their lives of so many wolves there ever seen when the wild now put that enable us to act, I did see one in Alberta, I think but it was at twilight and it was dog sized and ran across the road, and it was a little too big to be a church in my mind, but I thought a war for like two seconds and was a squirrel, so Take that, with a grain of thought, I seen a couple of the most memorable we were. We were in a valley in Alaska, it was dusk and that you noticed ranges on each side and the money

the honest somebody yelled in somebody spotted one across the river and we when looked at it- and it was his men, my memories values either pure I think was pure white and it just I swear to God has shown. I did just like emanated light. It was the most like Regal beautiful, just like perfect perfect, any just sort of trot along the river disappeared back and woods and their amazing. Not until I was thinking about this morning, here. I was looking for my mind tracks, but another sign that the tread says gives you warning about. Landmines out here for sure yeah. I never really I don't know. The only thing that ever gives me pause and woods is, is a grisly because Steve, I would a charge that wants, and ever since that happened, my bear radar is more intense. It's such a freaky animal

when you see what a grisly really is, essentially a thousand pound giant wild dogs. Have you seen those in the world or sofa grisly, yet no, never seen a grisly not in the wild. I've seen them in own, live in a sanctuary and I've seen a lot of oh. No, I did see a grisly. I saw small a grisly in Alberta last year, but it wasn't. There It was like maybe six and a half seventy, but we understand where you pretty clause, was very close. It was like thirty or forty yards from us yeah, but it took off pretty quick, but it wasn't a grisly like they had. Some trail can photos of like fuckin tat curse, your goddamn feed abbe buses. This is like a juvenile so as proper legacy, public six and a half feet shot like that. Where I live in Bozeman, so its literally align re, where we are so south of us as the gout and ranged in Madison Range, just full, fuller, grizzlies, clear, but just north of town. There's the bridge arrange a couple of the range is too

and for whatever reason that is an impasse to the population, There's why more or less do they have any idea? I've I mean it might be just physicality it might be. Actually Steve were now would be the one that I've heard him talk about this. He would not exactly, but it's either physical impact ass or it's it's. The human proximity humans, of the town and all this? the way that it relates is that you know if I'm gonna go fighting with my little baby boy, I choose to go north just because, and I don't think I would always thought that win and I carry bear spray. Usually like area pistol, I don't, I probably wilma Future that guy he was from Bozeman got attacked last year he got tore up and I was horrific. Yeah. This is scalp, is hanging off his head was making the videos in Ireland he wasn't hunting, who was just hiking use scouting and he use bear sprain, it didn't work.

Who is a sound with her cubs yeah? So that's about fifty miles from where I live is where he got it wrong. Sixty miles something like this close Jason, yeah, but not in a mess around with it, and I think it's awesome the date they exist. I really think it so cool. They exist, I dont want not exist, but at the same time I dont want to be near him there You know I dont want encounter room, so it's so were the idea I'm I'm more sensitive to now. I really have a deep, deep love for them. Sharks? On the other hand, we could just killed it was really people are getting like really touchy freely about sharks cause they hear all about the sharks getting slaughtered for shark fin soup, although like yeah that govern I think of New York caught a shark fishing, totally legal and not an endangered fish at all, and he got so much hate because people who it's like we're talking before about science, that

So many people want to argue things online, but they do want to actually like look into like what are the studies that have been done. How much to people actually know what is there now people want to have an opinion they have like narrow window of information and Emerson around with my opinions forgive for killing that shark in those people time, they said to go, investigate everything. They have an opinion about Nazis issue now, but they do of time between about its mad governor was at the governor, was it the mayor of New York that they got in trouble for shark waiting get trouble is what he did was totally legal and cooked it and make a shark delicious ass. I saw some invest. I've ever had poor Rico. They should certainly serve shark everywhere, but you go to a food. Stand the fry shark. Put on a stick. It's a fish wishing this notion is an ocean out there. It is New York governor sparks anger after killing threatened shark, but it's not threatened true. Why is it safe? threatened shark does not threaten animal thresher shark, yet I dont think that lead said threatened right, said fresh

I didn't say in the headline right now, you're so threatened. I don't think that's true do not think that's a threatened animal not have look at. All three species of thresher shark is listed as vulnerable by the International Union for conservation of nature because of their declining populations. Fishing with them is regulated in the National Oceanic, an atmosphere, administration, but it is not illegal outcry. Despite Legality, you and patrons of the ocean, Louis Pooh, said the killing and subsequent photos. Pour. It might be a twat and worked against those trying to conserve dwindling shark numbers. Ochre yeah, I only these rights. I that some of them or not man I mean you carefully control what kind of fish catch when you go fishing and if you catch a fifth, its legal and we'll do the price I'm with catching release is a dirty secret. Ladies and gentlemen, because people do go catch him,

these fishing and release fresh before a lot. Die, it's kind of weird is. Is that as he could still, I think I may never some folks, ok, Are you sure Let me think about it. I mean it I take it you and I think it is under water for five minutes and put his back. He or even worse, shovin a fuckin barb through your face and the drowning us, that's what we're doing to literally yeah drowning them. Literally now What means some people use barbarous hooks, which are better and the inside of a mouth of a fish, is different than our mouth. So I mean there's right right, there's best practices to be had to harm the fish as little as possible, and I think you know that fly session sure yeah fly fishing with Sharpless hooks most likely you can most of em we're gonna be fine, but a lot of it's a weird practice. I just don't at all put in a MAC yeah now, mother, just yeah, I'm I'm not I'm not a catch. Italy's fish,

Fishermen are not even a huge fishermen. I love the Edith, I love to go to Alaska Catch, a butler fish come home and either for the rest. I need to know how but ocean destitute good. Yet now I love how I've gone fluke fishing of cot flounder before too little baby halibut, but delicious but how halibut is supposed to be like one of the most delicious fish to catch and then cook like right away? Automating, I'm it's uh, it's one of those rules: fleshy whitefish can a group and the chunks, how deep fried like like a well coated, indeed fried if it did nothing but I'll, but if you over cook it, though it's like you and honest It just gets tough rules. That may be true of other white flash fish like I do, but now it's delicious its. The most exciting to catch their giant doors. Yeah, his heavy ass, their so alien look into two eyes on one side of their head in the flat now the bottom of the ocean. You know

but there I migrates right. Really they start swimming up and down eyes on each side and sort of part of thereof. Maturation processes they fly. Over was getting older, Yasser getting old and I literally slides onto the other side. So by stays there once well, it's not like. I can't go back and forth at how far Where does so weird like him? It's looks wrong dogmas. Two eyes on once either had their buys flattened out, but full of so much good meet our men such as have you like him, my on local, live on cognac on. We ve been going up their sense of the kid, and I mean it's. You know it's it, that's as meat as a deer right get two hundred pound halibut, which is in the most common. They can be waving that you're supposed to release the really big ones all right, don't they say that maybe I am not sure a friend

my caught one and it was apparently enormous any- was furious because the guide they went fishing on the guy the guide cut the line because it was so big you think AEGIS, can in about now. No no, he said: look we gotta let this go because it's a big breeder and that these these big one we are responsible for keeping the populations healthy and because this guy made a living off a fishing is like it's our responsibility to cut this loosen. The guy was like what are you tie give out he's like this is he didn't know that that was gonna, be an option there and so he's pulling up this. Were you know he described it is like the site of a wall. I asked a wall of a room is like fucking youth out of its truth. How, but, but I know, other fish- sometimes the big ones, don't eat? Well, like us, naturally Bryce I made my not of an Islamic using it mounted a riot

this it s true without year, two like I've, never eaten a really old dear, but they say, oh dear, just do not take that Europe can be it and I know that they can be worse, for you shoot an old dog. I was more miles and miles. That's right, and he said it was right, How do you change over a winter but my oh brother, shot me dear and gave to me for Christmas, and it was the first slightly off, tasting animal that I've tasted in man? Seven. Years. You know I've been eating a lot animals over my course of time, talk, more media which are well known for a long time. I don't anymore, but I allowed animals and they all tasted, exceptionally good in my brother shot this one end I don't know what it was. It was cold. He he killed it and got dark and yet a track it in early the next morning, and it did it got shot it. No, no, he hid it. Well it it it, it died fairly. Close

but don't know it was, is primarily Ivan means. I made sausage out of it and try to that. That was hard to get down real without will couple pounds, but left still just wasn't. Good it's weird. Well, maybe was a Tarzan lands or something like was it in a rut oh, it was muzzle loader season in December in Minnesota, and That's not what are your answer. I don't know what it was well he's your stories. You know hey. What man that was one of the things that really got me in the hunting not would just the how cool at trip was and how amazing it wasn't a bizarre. It is to be out there, in total silence, no cell phone signal, you don't hear not we. What do we see, like? Maybe three people the whole week we're out there. Yet two boats, may I remember Remember we saw a dude tent and he had like a little wood. Stove announced like Steve, stove fuck. Is this guy's got a stove inside of his tent?

ease, used to warm and is tat. We are freezing dicks off and then we saw another guy who dear in his boat he had shot. Oh yeah, member, that Canada does a memorable meal. Man get out, get out what to say Food was so good one once we did shoe tat dear and we ate it. Nato's I could Lord, it still is the best meat ever impasse, there's so much connected to it. You know it's not just that. It's like you want to restaurant have Delicious meal. As I know you like you thus did your ass for five days, humping over mountains, finally put a stop to dear shot the dear killed. It dragged it back to me cut it out, but you didn't know we aided and light, and then, when Steve took that dough head and read it underground, because what is that Guthrie Book, big sky the writer was issues blocker, yeah yeah. I think, as I think that of it. I think that's the name of the book raisins and arm in that book. He talks about cooking a deal.

Your head under the ground. Try we sought to Berlin ever was incredible, is really good. Who is incredible? it was like some sort of exotic smoked. Pork or something like that to them yea everything that we ate the liver we the hard we we at all. It was amazing. Do so a freezer full of meat right now are you signed, shot and Elk knocked over so yeah and I have shot a deer in November, but I ain't that dear pretty quick, I had a of seasonal last year and this year, for the first time, a long time have been eating more in a local pork and beef, and I'm just so sick. May I guess angel this fall again and now, when you go back home back home, for yeah yeah, I'm going home a week from two weeks from yesterday have to commercial phrases in the back or cookie yeah, and what now I made a barrier to you, how did you get back?

let me think about now. Can I could go back over some small, yet EU figures somehow get you some? I have one of those Yeti hoppers at home. I could give you that makes me really proud that, like you know, I was there First, I want to know you gotta help me up a meat could stuff. I live off it now. I don't buy meat anymore, and thus I go to a restaurant. It's very rare that I go to a store like a butcher sharpened by meat in Leicester, simple unprepared, it's just not as good it's just actually not as well, or I find that it's it's different, it tastes like a soft lazy animal, weird like when you eat a stake like from a put your shot when they taste good. They still tastes good, It tastes like like this soft, almost sick thing like there's a difference, in grass FED beef? That's one thing that I noticed like way back in the day when I first started, learning about grass FED be from the goal. What is the difference in people explained to you, this difference in the fatty acids and what's what's healthier about it,

These animals are not supposed to be the green and when the grain, it's bad for their body in that's, why they're so fat marveling is actually I'm being credibly unhealthy. My car, ok, some try some grass had meetings with so expensive, and then it was smartly like their smaller, like the stakes are small and it's a darker meet my and then our member eating it think while this taste really different. It does like a grass FED stake. Tastes. Different then agree. FED stake, they look different anyway amount side by side, but then you take those and then you put an Elk stake next to it in a girl. Ok, that's the real meat man. That's what you're supposed to be eating is. Was we never deep down red meat that you eat it and you just want to run through a fuckin wall. I think he's got energy in its feet. It makes your body feel differently need. So what is it? What do you think? That is what it is. That is that a psychological thank you think that it's actually biological in the meat It is better there's something in their more for you at Lahti out. You make sense it out for yourself, I,

a terrible on scientific theory, my scientific theories, things that run fast are better for you. That's why fishes really good, for you is hard, catch gave they swim fast. Dear, are great. They run fast. Rabbits are great there, run fast, cows. To start a wander around, the just meandering, and I like your theory, but it makes sense that we have more causes. It s, therefore, how those benches? Well, you know my body Adam lives in Australia, Adam Green Tree and in Trail yeah, they have wild cows were cows at one time or domestic debris loose and they ve been for many many many generations living while in there to dangerous, especially the bulls like when you were cowboys, riding balls and likewise crazy, like an animal, that's a big, scary animal, but again mastic animal. That is not fighting off predator.

Yours, it's not mean it's just it doesn't want you to fuck with it has got these giant watermelon, testicles and they're, just full of this and vinegar, and that we don't eat those repeat for people to know When you buy meat from a cow, your boy, meat from a steer and want to steer is a ball because balls off his young says test restaurant stops. So this by his machine and soft. But these bulls that Adam he's out in the Bush in Australia are super grasses and very dangerous, and one of his friends was torn apart by one gourd really loudly naughty lived. They had met vacuum to safety, tours guts open, and you know he was the only thing he was hunting it. I think, like you just in the wrong place at the wrong time. They see you and they just fuckin charger. Miseries wanna have a guy the giant horns. What's a saying that that you can't you can a male animals balls off an ace. Stop thinking about ass starts thinking about grass right,

I mean it's literal yeah? They stop trying to get laid. They just eat they just key area and they just the law. Of testosterone, make some soft and motion, whereas I'm hand, shot a water Buffalo in Australia, and he said that he, one piece of meat in his mouth for half an hour trying to chew down while he is practising archery who does not exaggerating chewed One piece of me for a whole half hour, what you say about ass, though our as as humans, though I mean you, could easily make an analogy there between cows a wild animal, and us me no, It is more domesticated snow. These things we domesticate, I think we are in a where the domesticate somehow, but I think we're even more domestic right like like. If you can eat one of the doctors to go

eyes, man who took up a good level of even more and more a whole the notion that there is to be so much flavouring and marveling, plus they probably the large sugar. So is probably a lot like sweetness to me. Yeah, was. It depends what you're Tuesdays for east used to eating wild animals in a duck dynasty, geyser taste like shit, that's true, that's true, but if you eat Mcdonald and rings what's right was everything which allows lobes host chocolate covered cream filled journeys and might have given us this casting, they look great, like always, come and join us and its image media like what the fuck is wrong with me man. I love this. Tacos. I got the town last night and I had to go the first toggery I saw it was the best we have,

Jim excellent food? No, I do not have next really right, not such good Mexicans. But Colorado has some really good mexican food. Does it does yeah? Did it The line of that, I think, stops I card. Maybe I am, and I dont think, has it been north in Montana, urine dead, were you are, is amazing. Now it's worth it, you could take a trip from extra food, when you are. It's like. I feel like I'm HIV feeling. I shouldn't say this on the park as he I want to buddy moving Bozeman it already on her or logical list. Its everybody, I mean cats out of the bag. It's not Do not build the being there. I know But I mean it really is a special place. It's the people are, so nice dared not dumb either. It's not like located? No, no! No it's! Actually that county has the highest percentage of Phds in America. Why Bozeman, really Erika fact wow near the house

highly educated population, but it's also not like bolder. Whether economic had saved the butterfly now that there are no national about their approach to nature its balanced that you can find some and he could find good yoga. You can find you will we stuck with it also rancher right next to you, it's really interesting. We like diverse neutral is, is ever some ways not with Multi Y know There is now moving as some New York in, and that is my least favoured thing about about Yeah is not a less labour now, but this so many good things about and that the landscape, like what you get to see when you there's a stunning and the Access to the land is, is the huge is merely to a meme involvement from my house in harmony in fought for different direction. Three different directions: you can be at a trail in fifteen minutes. Just any just endless, you know you can get a trail rights are outraged. So may I can't talk right now.

I too Bozeman and you can go if you wanted to four days through the Yellowstone Ecosystem, South yeah. I just keep going and keep going and keep you I mean it. It connects you too. I mean real big wilderness, the kind of the kind that you couldn't meaning Alaska, you find it even bigger, but I think in the lower forty eight there it's on peril yeah in the lower. Forty eight is about its about his wild as it gets in that light. Me too what I want to bring up to you today, because I saw this. They were trumpets. His his challenging. Some of the protection of certain national monuments and some public lands today was suddenly came out. Like I told you, Of course I knew this was come and there are so many people there were telling me that tromp is gonna, protect our public clans. Casus son is a hunter, unlike listen man that guy worships money there is money to be made in de listing these public levy. This trump order could roll back publicly

protections from three president's decision era shitstorm on his hands: Thou Millay play there, so we could hear exactly says of America's natural resources, and I can tell you that group that any right now they're really doing the job rightly said they. Don't. Good job, I'm going to take care of Alaska to don't worry about it and they protect the ability of the people to access and utilize the land which truly belongs to them and belongs to all of us. Secretary Ryan Zinke is doing an incredible job and he never overlooks the details, easy detail, person soon, ass, he and firm. We had a snowstorm big one.

And he was out there on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial shovelling the snow all by himself and he's a strong guy did a good job, What the fuck am, I was doing a good job. He surrounded the first one. Hundred days. We ve taken historic action to eliminate wasteful regulations there being illuminated like nobody's ever seen before there has never been anything like it. Sometimes Ellen if some of the things I am signing as they may be, people are like it, but I'm doing the right thing. What the hell! This is so weird that that's president, but the way communicates, did you see when he'd he just pinned purple heart he just pin purple. Harlan ANA returned bet. I got losses. Leg just happened last couple days: it's the most awkward in the weirdest idiot, the weirdest single thing: I've ever

watch on the screen, his his body language and his? What he does its bazaars and really bizarre. What does it say there in terms of like what the actual rollback mean and what the issue is? Let's go largely not order which Trump sign Interior Department could lead to the reshaping of twenty four national monuments, including Grand Canyon, Paris, shan't, National Monument Grand Staircase Ascalon. Today, national monument in the Basin Range national monument swells hosted Pacific ocean monuments, including the World WAR, two valor in the Pacific, national monument, though interior secretary, Ryan's Inky, cast the move as a way to include local voices in the decision to designate monuments. The review of the antiquities actress first signed by

President Teddy Roosevelt nineteen o six stands in stark relief to years of bipartisan work at conserving lands. While the move comes after western republican lawmakers, including you toss, or an hatch complained that Obama over you. Who's, the lot to overprotect land, how the fuck do you overprotect land kind of protected, but don't over man is weird paralyzing worries. The worries gonna be that this would be the beginning of a larger. Yet a slippery slope. Why would I wonder what you know about and what I think most people? Don't when you talk about this, that the vast majority of people in this country in these communities in cities and towns, and you know even small towns, they did You don't understand how much this land that we live in is is this incredible?

bizarre experiment in like the people having the that the actual american people owning this incredible swathe of public land yeah. It's it's wild like what you're talking about you can walk for days and days into that's the I think they don't know that exists necessarily and I've had given to me. More importantly, they don't understand the impact that that actually has on people and what it actually means to be able to be part of something like AIDS is a really deep, important thing and I think that people, just the EU you get postcard tourism, you say all of the National Foresaw, the national parks and let's drive around, to take pictures and that's great. That's fine! There's a big industry. There is very helpful to the economy and but there's something way deeper too. Then that brings a lot people and I would even say culturally something really deep there that we shouldn't be fucking with not just shouldn't be messing with well,

It's been there for a hundred years, a hundred and ten years, it's conservation part. Yet absolute itself has been their way right, you know sort of like the deep time Parlez. What really interests me is because abandoned the lad in the right context in any or all of a sudden. You know you're you're, playing with something way, bigger and more powerful and more impact full by just being part of landscape that yeah You know, but you're right yeah, that the conservation thing is is present in real and there I gripped Minnesota North cut. In my my first wilderness trip was in the boundary waters of northern Minnesota. Two million acres million acres wilderness of lakes at are interconnected by trails, and you got for weeks at a time and canoe Cross Awakening carrier boat to the next lake in this camp sites in its Paradise. It's where I fell in love with the idea wilderness. It's actually where I fell in love with my for the first lady.

At the same I was on a church trip, oh no yeah, and but- So what I would say as far as its shaping people and its importance, I mean that's. First trip in a wilderness changed my life like that's, that's a pretty mile way saying it it it. It shaped who I all the way will that gets us to what you're doing now, because you you stop workin for zero point zero and we talked about on the last podcast. You had done a lot of these wilderness therapy trips, where you take like troubled kids, lost their way and their parents to know what the fuck do. You would take them out into the woods and live with these kids. For months the Africa TAT he had just crazy. I think about like that, but makes sense like just the five days that I was out. There are six days or whatever. When I first went to Montana with you guys changed the way I thought about Willow soon, as I really had never been. I mean I've kind. Been too like

wooded areas right in his hand, but I had a maybe I went to Yellowstone. I was a kid, but I didn't really remember it. It's a different thing than we want Alaska right, and that was to me that's another level of which has listened to you, a natural you really That way we should learn play sure it was uncomfortable, but I'm glad we went, in retrospect right I mean, and I'm glad you went just because of the level of how deep out we are you. I mean you know that the misery breaks Montana you're out there, but in in this spot and and and southeast last will really out there can feel an air bothered about this really wants fell. I fell off it like six foot drop, I slept and Just- and luckily I just landed good models like may go fuck yourself up here, yeah and not be able to get out of here, like a special We do a solo trip out no Blanda told there. I'm addictive that that feeling

that sort of immense can it takes Moreover, you are so tiny. You are not. You know, you're not charge anymore. It doesn't care about you, that's the thing like the thing about, like Prince Wales is this solitude. Is sadness, that's beautiful, really, weird! It's a weird feeling, the get away jacket? There's no, denying your lack of significance in this particular environment. It doesn't give a fuck up. Your credit card. Does it carefully cell phone? It doesn't care who you know where you live carried, it doesn't give a fuck is just too thin Fang. Claw and rain, and constant rain and beauty. Just unbelievable beauty.

With the like one, that's coaster out here I mean you just in Hell and on all the son you're on the top of a region and in the end, the sun peaks out in a rainbow pops up and the like the technicolor hyper vivid just like raising green it. So you know it's a sorry about that of cold. That place as a personality right but being in wilderness. I've been a wilderness spots all over the globe. It's what's so fascinated me. How they all have a different via valve a different. Like life, in its it it's it's like I'm ensured that looks different, but there's a like a felt sensor. A feeling you get from paid like the Brooks Range in Alaska is that the northernmost range mountains and it runs EAST and West, and then above it is the art, thou art a plane in an arctic ocean.

There is something about being up there and especially, I think in the summer went when the sun doesn't really go down. It is it is. It feels like being on a different planet, but may I don't know if I have a word to describe it, but yeah man, I mean That's what I said I'm addicted to I'm I am, and I you know I moved Montana for Professional, but then also because it's where I wanted to live, and so I get out hiking all in all, I train I hike with that's kind of how I stay fit, but I come. I need to figure this out because I come home from that fewer MIKE. I just got start you know I've missed the deep immersion of the woods. Were you will when you were working for mediator and consular ups or at any time- and I spent over, I think, there's something tat happens after you know depends on how long, like the longest. I've stayed out of time is forty, some days but There's something happens. I

two days three days five days and where you really does cannot let go of the regular. You know, I think, is actually physiological some of it, but whatever it could be, just psychological. But something shifts you know when you do a real expedition. When you do a real thing, where you're, not your brains, not half stuck back and all the other stuff May I go hygiene? I love it, you know all the time and we get out in the woods. It doesn't really do it. For me, I feel kind of unfulfilled, that's interesting, so you you just got so addicted to being out there completely disconnected that you when you gone, You know, you know it's just make it back to town couple hours, Oh yeah, it's just like a little I'm trying think alike in an analogy, but it would be like we'll taste, it would be like, maybe like a five minute porn session verses a week long like lovemaking session, that of Europe, just like a little yellow, teaser, just not as fun

You do you plan on staying there is that I think, so go Emmy. We think about. We deftly will move back east, we would either move summer out here or stay there. It gets cold is far in the winter. The right it does yet not tackled act. Like knockabout do. I grew up in Minnesota, gets really called for a long time, and Montana ten at used to do that, but global warming, something something different this year was pretty mild the year before was really really mild. You know a thirty five average temperature relevant that's down. It's not that bad. I thought it was like thirty five below no You go northern Montana. The high line area it'll started more of a deep freeze, a lot more both my kind of a nice little protect. We should stop talking about Bozeman people italian, we're gonna get people into its largest another factor. It is, I think, the third fastest growing county in the states, while so

It makes sense. When I was there when we went there took family there last summer, I displaced magic. So pretty I got a couple or spots, though, that saving by us don't tell anybody not like when you were in the Brooks ranged you put like masks onto go to sleep, those you know sleepy masks. They say is that the mayor, but here the irish Sea. The t shirts cover your eyes that as they have too, because if you just trotted like sleep away, A couple hours later be bewildered. Oh yeah, noise, weird its ways It's one! It's cool! It's a very! It's a perception. Changing thing to go out there and watch the sun literally just cannot like kiss the horizon images. He's gone. He I went to Anchorage couple years ago. In the summer we were there in July me and my friend army one fish up there. We did some shows up there, and it was weird I took on the morning was light out, we're like what the fuck is. This like and the people are coolly. Shit. That's another place something about like those people,

like Alaska, even more extreme, because something about people that they deal with nature in a way that everybody else just doesn't oh yeah. Well, they have yeah all the time whether weathers gnarly. I mean you can't walk at your house for more in ten mile before eleven giant massive in front of you, the oceans right there, yeah yeah there I mean anchorages too weird place to I love it It's really interesting to because you think if it is like a bunch of work, lumberjack acts and fishermen and weirdos in like people trying to run from the large like that, you get there and there's like Hungary quality there's about b with gay rights signs people beep in their horns they drove by MIKE. Oh, this is not what you think it is now rather breweries and be a really good. Restaurants live cases not does not like Hicks. I feel like it s a little bit of flavour, the Pacific Northwest of Seattle and Portland, but then in a big dose a weird,

yeah, a lotta weird, my extreme mean is these are people that are there? that is where they gonna live and die in ours. Busy bears everywhere, Lotta, Minnesota's and enforced from where I grew up. There's there's a big connection. Lotta people move up to have moved up to Alaska, so I, like I said I grew up, go up there fairly, I generally in the summer. Who did you say, lives that you know that lives on a Claudia Guyana, dad sister or family that scary place? Those bears are fuckin Giang, Hu Jia, They are the biggest brown bears and world they might be. I think I've heard that the contractor Brown bears in Siberia in in Russia across at Venice Iberian, but uppercross the the water there they might be bigger could be tolerant about. I saw this video this guy- Remember that show that was on called the hunt. It was a show that it was injured

because James Hatfield of Metallica was the now reader of right and poor so angry at him for narrating this thing that they were talking about boycotting Metallica when they played some music festival. I never watch our. I remember you talking about it and then yeah. I know what you're talking about in it was about to bear hunting yeah. Brown bear hunting, which is a really controversial form, a hunted, because you don't really eat those things, many kind of can database like shit it the coastal ones, the aspect that is, eaten rotten fish. All the Duff Animals tastes like what their what they eat, which is really only makes sense, but seems pretty counter to. I dare Trump to try take away some of those alaskan wilderness areas. May I mean The way that the real worry is that he's gonna? Let people drill annum and they're gonna destroy something. That's the real. Worry. The real worry is the reason why he's Releasing or of relaxing somebody's regulations is that he wants a lead industry get in there

and as soon as they serve frack gang and polluting wells and rivers and richest, it's fuckin, dangerous man. It's just it's something that if they do fuck it up, it could be fucked up for a hundred generations. Have you ever live in New York City, not in the city of the issue and newer shell, which has ratified the Bronx. I lived there for seven years or so and that, if their, if there wasn't the existence of central park- and I lived in Brooklyn so Prospect Park, if those two green places didn't exist, while I lived there, I would have probably lost my mind or just moved right. I feel like these big areas wilderness we have Have you known as women? We will not be ok as it has humans.

Mean, like individually sure it isn't gonna here's. My worry, my worry is that in the general american public or or the general public doesn't have enough connection or real life experience to know why to care so much right. Now, that's a big deal and its a lot of different angles. You could take on matters that there's so much, but there's just something that the I wouldn't I wouldn't I mean, if it really gets intense dense, I'm gonna have to basically drop what I'm doing do everything I can to stop them from from our in these places, not ok be done. My my real concern is not just this. What's going on now, but the future, and then also when you really, consider it overpopulation, I mean, their seven and a half billion people on the planet. Now most recent census, Missis That's a half a billion increase over the last. I don't know how many years, but it has been that many it was six billion

just a few years ago. I remembered that was a number that they bandied about like a decade or two ago now seven and have like what happens when it gets to be thirty like where we gonna put the mother fuck. What is the carrying capacity Meanwhile, area twitter, we're like rats and sinking ship yeah we're just scrambling everywhere. We're everywhere was items can does not another animal like us we're on every fuckin patch of land. You can find too weird, but we're awesome, accept these Wilna spots. Regular soldiers at her and world population is our real. How do they know that births today is based on average Look at the birth today led Galoshe that the numbers s role in my car, the difference between the birthday and the deaths. Today, that's incredible peel alibis movements of pillar dine slows, fuck, population growth today so that the average hundred thirty nine thousand people today,

forty four million this year, my god it's weird, but that scary, and what the? U S, four hundred I think, with a three hundred plus Mexicans, three twenty six, it says see, but that's they're, not counting the not counting. All the people at snuck in I still don't think they know like one when they say LOS Angeles sailor Angela twenty million a MIKE okay, and what about the Mexicans like and I'm not aunt, I'm asking me way, shape or form these gentlemen. Don't I'm just looking at this pragmatically there's a fuck. Shit load of illegal aliens here, which I support. Also many people are here that any given time don't live here, but a year on vacation are working here for a week. That's good horizon. Yeah just added people for hundreds of thousands of, I would imagine that mean yeah, probably

when you get on the four or five new head to San, Diego and NATO she six hours ago, is this like. What have we done this mass of humans to so many of us, but when you get here and you realize all you guys, I'm any whether it is there but you could also go thirty miles outside city and have the same either conjure jeopardy. Might not the people yeah, but you know you don't get the same taco stance, right! Now I get it. I like. I love cities, man, I miss it. I miss Lindon Yorks it s really do dear. I wouldn't traded at this point. You know I was younger and single in New York had again fun time and end moved Montana. Have a family now, it's kind of perfect fur from where a man, my life, so I really need anything else. Yeah, that's the balance right as there is no really perfect place. It's like there's place. Is that are perfect for certain thing, like if you're comedian, Lausanne

Since the Us Play seed, LOS Angeles in New York, I prefer LOS Angeles. There's a lot. Clogged is a lot of comedians like the most of the best comedians in the world live here, it's a great place for us to network and we work together and stuff like that and if you, if Want to be in that business is probably the best place in the world, do it. So that's one of the reasons it keeps me around here, plus the podcast knowledge ass, but for peace of mind, it's not the best place. No does that actually fuck with yes yeah than the numbers of humans, is just its untenable new, closer North Korea, but if you know a manifest nuke California, where you gonna go in the whole thing's gonna be a mess MIKE might what you might be better off. It lands in your head. So we say about asteroids. Are you know, a b that guy in the movie that like is like storing food,

baseman staying up all night to shoot vandals and his people are trying to steal your canned goods that doesn't sound fun, Life live like and then what happens, dive old age, Diebold Age, protecting your canned goods, yea and fight or flight entire life. Far that out, that slut that rock land running your fuckin head? I stress that a lot about where the perfect place to live wasn't scared that up does exist, doesn't exist there, This places you don't want to be caught dead like Florida, I, like floored. How dare you I like it in the park Sarasota. No, my wife was raised on captive island, which is on the south coast. Ok, a key west is pretty dope yet down. There is pretty clear, that's skip, wanna, drink intake maps or fish or yeah. There listen cool stuff, but it's just floored is so fucked up its they ve

I've done such damage to Florida with their oxy con regulations. No one time there were more oxy con prescriptions in Florida than they were Entire country combined, cheers yes, I was insane Is this recent, as as like reason in these in these late struggles, yeah there's a document that do not call the oxy cotton express that was on vanguard and dumb these people that went down there, they went under cover and saw how easy it is to buy opiates down there and with it they have these one stop shops. Have these pain management centres we'd go in its hey dogma, back back as kill me doctor, you needs pills, go an extra so he'd right, you're, prescription, eager right next door. You get the pills and then boom you're off to the races, they didn't have a database which meant that you could go to Doktor Jamie and say dark Jamie acts kill me doc. Jamie gives you a prescription, you buy some opium pills or whatever the fuck there, and then

to me and you go talk. August kill a man like all user that should have been a source there and then set sold elsewhere or delay purposely made. Their regulations lacks there, so they can make more money, so people are buying them and then bringing them and selling them in Kentucky and Uptown Ohio the in it that's what he called the Octagon express the highway. That lead from Florida to the rest. The country is on yeah. I was sick and a lot of the lost their lives, lovable lost like who they were, because the addiction Did the numbers were insanely? Google, the name like what we or the numbers of oxy, cottons or Oxy Co. Don't I still want nor the differences and using the right there

reports lately, showing that the the life expectancy or the early death rate of middle age, white men specifically lately, has dropped for the first time in dozens herb because pain, pills or part of it. The calling of deaths of of despair whoop how there being Jeez written about is litter the deaths of despair. It's it's Jesus hides heavy. It's real heavy that I have there's been a spate of articles of the last three or four months, just that's really diving into millions guys, men here it is not. Doctors in Florida prescribed ten times more oxy codeine pills than every other state in the country combined. And this is now right- wouldn't this article from actually from twenty eleven unimpeded when the right, when it came there we go get the updated near, does matter it just it's a crazy place that it wishes

that way despair is one of the scariest words right, despair, Yahoo here, but some unlike despair and lonely does or to really so that's. The other word that through using is, is Loneliness has been there now measuring it and loneliness is, is as or worse of a health issue in our country than smoking heavily smoke in there this all this there's this new, only Missus loneliness is isn't overpopulation, coincided with loneliness thinking. Tat were thrust further and further closer together, and don't know each other and where more and more disconnected and now- and it's literally said, there's a whole new. Our know how new, but it's called interpersonal neurobiology, is the science of our brain wiring and envious physiological wiring on how were yet. This is what the articles

loneliness might be a bigger health risk than smoking or obesity. Wow, that's dark, dude, it's dark, but Now, with the in my wife, they expire I've had my life, I'm when I read that I'm like, of course diarrhoea. It makes sense. We are disconnected people, we are electronically digitally connected in a crazy way, but in a human way- and it is can literally, is harming us and people are dying, and it's crazy. It's crazy, stuff, fascinating, like feelings, have an effect on your health, the feeling of loneliness tat, feeling of despair, its how'd. You get your vegetables engaging exercise in a new. If you feel despair and you feel loneliness, your body is actually like being harmed. But there's a real like practical reason for that, and that's because we are when we come out is babies we are the most dependent individuals. So, like our economy,

like on your pants on your mother MC. We are completely socially dependent when were born completely, and so you know it Maslovs Hierarchy of needs. That sounds like you know, to be: ok, I'll, take care of breathing in water and your basic functions, but there's there's been studies recently by these by August that are showing that these social needs are just as or even like, come before. Some of these physical needs, this there's, if it crazy man in this literally a book called Social by Guy, named Matthew, Liebermann, I've gotta check it out. So what they are finding is that there's like two parts of our operating and this is in a good to be me, pairing it down, but one is the analytical thinking deciding thing and the other is the social awareness brain which is always like always checking in on how am I

to others, and it is also the car that brain that. Actually, we can elect a meadow cognitive part in the part that I can they call it mind. But really it is just it's just by us, sitting here. I can kind of get a sense of how you feel what you're thinking right. Just by that, the connection that we have and just it's part of we are so when our analytical brain is offline, this, otherwise, the social one pops on immediately. So so what their theorizing is, that that is like the fundamental need for humans in safety and survival is how are we relating to each other as it as a group? but it makes sense. If you look, I mean to me, it makes sense in We are social animals. We forget that. I think that you look at other species of monkeys or walls or whatever I mean

there might be a period of time where say: oh, a wolf. What will get kicked out of a pact for while he'll go, do his thing, but eventually come back to pack, it's not safe for us humans and animals. So if animals like these to be isolated, it's it's not and as others all these parts of us that, just if we're not connected to other people in in a very direct and true way, there's these sort of deep down emotional and physiology You call that come come right and and they entered the real and that's what the neurobiology is showing, which is really an interesting, and we can just think about that, but there actually showing it now that, if we're not really connected to each other, we're gonna be freaked out. When I can be o k and and I really believe that this really drives a lot of the internal struggle we have in were really

as part of getting into that's part of my. What I'm trying to bring in a world- and my platform now is, is just too you know, stand up and say: hey, we need each other and we can do it. It's not ever I speak specifically right at such short, social stigma of ours to not be real or opener connected or vulnerable, with guys agenda and it sir, it's cool to see the science coming out, because its I've always anecdotal evidence had been out the wood. Wood with kids are being in a man's Europe with guys are running a retreat or whatever this is of how powerful it is too, like set down all our differences and just be there with the air, but other scientists is really lighted, yeah man loneliest I mean we cannot think about loneliness, isn't fun, it's not doesn't feel good, but the other. This is crazy to that. Their showing that emotional pain like set the same centres of our brain, its physical pain and

The one study showed that an insult to someone. Had much more painful and long term effects than slamming somebody with a hammer hitting the hand with him so like our emotional pain, literally actually exists in the body like it is actual pain, the reason that it so uncomfortable to feel our emotions, which it is you know I mean to say it is that it actually hurts like. Actually I mean there's like people say things like you broke my heart or I'm dying of heart, ache or whatever, but that the scientists catching up and showing us that this pain is actual it's real and were not address. Sing it we're not even aware of it through into low. That's deep. You know it's interesting to because what were you saying about us being disconnected and how unhealthy it is now an unhealthy loneliness, as it sort of confirmed

These ideas it I've always had that the human race itself is not like a group of individuals, but a super organism. Much like the human body is The human body like requires all the bacteria in your got all the skin flora. All the different things that compose the actual physical structure of the human body at, whereas we think of it. I think there's nutty number of how much bacteria how many bacterial cells are in your body versus how many human cell right and is far out numbers the human cells- and it's just that we think of ourselves. As I MIKE and I put my shoes on and I go to work as I am. I can, but my dear a system, your system, of individual organisms that are collectively keeping this thing alive and when the imbalances off like when someone take, into and fox up their got flora like litter

You like nuclear, a part of your civilization right and you know to try to save something like if you had some sort of a surgery and you worried about an infection which is kind of like invading army coming in and take you ever. Of your leg that you haven't operated on a year would be like slashing the tires of all of our transport system in the country. Like that, That's a lot things in an outright. And even has an impact on your your health, mentally our terms of like how are you feel your Europe depression. A lot of that is connected. Let go did Emily connected to your diet and how that affects your gut flora and affects the way your boss, produces serotonin, Indaba dopamine and its banana Man, oh yeah, no idea is scientists bust. The myth that are bodies have more bacteria than human cells, decades old assumption about MIKE oh Biota, revisit it. Ok, what's the new data, one, the one and set a town so why are as much okay, so

I used to say was ten to one, but now it's one hundred and twenty one, okay, wow, that's still crazy enough. It still like your half. Terrier. I like that analogy, though of the body, as is like a civilization, Let me think about if you're one of your, I don't know one important neuron, oneself, neural, solar, something decided just to go round, cannot not being connection with the rest. You right, I mean I don't know and works. Allow right. I don't know I don't what happened. Your body would probably get rid of it and get it out of their or I don't know, maybe some just really reaching here, but at some sort of robe sell. At that point, I like to answer a seller. Something had probably be attacked so yeah if he eyed. I think that if you take out analogy in our civilization hairs, we're hurtin really hurt and because we were really not

you know. We are working together, obviously, in practical ways, a lot of times in our work and commerce and in the world is functioning, but I think ANA, like a health and fulfilment level, were missing something pretty deeply yeah, while also like. Let's talk about people that are disconnected from actual humans, but connect Durham, cyber way like how many people really lonely in terms of like physical touch and communication with friends, and but they sit in front of their computer all day and they interact with people online, which shows like some of the most unhealthy communities, you'll ever encounter art online message, boards and forums where he bore just anonymous and interact? when people, without what we're talking about early, like what the reasons why I like to do, podcast with a person in, I've only on one podcast ever through Skype. And that was with John Anthony West of because he was living in New York and he's

Is this really important egyptologist, and I really want to talk to him- is the only way I could get him to do. It was do it through Skype, so good one. I prefer to sit there with people, because I want to Doesn't I want to feel their energy? I wanna, I feel like you doing this conversation you get to understand each other totalling now I get in, and then I think I can hear in your podcast too, and I think that the and again I keep hidden the biology part, but there's a to me. I think that their in means, I can sense that there's a something else and means giving is triggered right. If we talk on the phone. There is something and its might be, this other party or brain, but its lit up right now, because I can I can space. Early in out soon feel where you are rising.

As in all other yeah and its set sense of connection. It's that real. I think- and I think that is in a really apparent in your part gases, that you got you city and really connected somebody just run with it, and I think that Sir it's a big. It's a big thing. Man I mean, I mean I think of lake. So apart what I do is I help proliferate. This idea of men's groups across the country were guys get together for exactly what we're talking about. It's just like you know. The intent of them is to get together challenges support each other's growth. A person off and is just a simple sort of protocol on a simple sort of designers are sort of its there's a structure to it. But the whole point is its remedial innocent

it's that in our culture in general, but guys, especially in our culture, don't have this this on fettered place to really show up and actually connect with each other scary thing. I mean it's a it's it's you know its until now and and still now, but hopefully not too long. I really think that stigma of not being connected is it's a big deal and- and I think that Back to the cyber thing that you're saying like we can, we can get that hit. The sir Poland, by getting alike on Facebook or Instagram? Or would we get that? But that pay I mean I really want to make a comparison towards, actually sitting sitting down with somebody in actually feeling and experiencing them yeah, it's you can't make it compares now: it's not ok them yeah, some indifferent amateur tricky

because I rely on social media to let people know that I have a podcast coming out. You know like Rep for the Part castle, yes, your twitter is like a tweet it, and then I also like to promote comedy dates until people know about cool shit that I find, but that the interaction is so it's so weird, like especially, is like a bunch different kinds of actually Instagram is one of the weird ones, because the country is people all have blocked pages. It's like their blacken and they just say nasty shit to people, but they have these block pages right, but I think that that's it so funny, huh that seems to be like it's oh common, but it makes sense. It's like their blocked off. Attacking people insane shitty things to be borne in mind even target about to me. I'm talking about When I go to someone else's page- and I read country things I always go that I always see that guy's block yuppies blocked how funny like or comments. I guess weird thing that people

known with each other, with not real interaction and I feel like the people that are perpetrating it are extremely and Healthy, which is why they're saying such nasty vicious shit in the first place. It's real really odd their lonely yeah, I mean or in some way or disease. Did or disinfect. And charged or they feel inferior, and so they lash out and when other people to feel the way they feel and so one what I feel when you say that, like one thing, that's missing, there is empathy. In that interact, whatever that interaction this removed store that you're making up some cretonne, like whatever you want the world. You know you yeah reacting. You shit out into the world, do not actually slowing down enough to you know you're and give opinions or whatever all day long. But you know that now but to what you said, though, It is a weird position, but I think the way that things are going so we are using these tools, the social media, to connect us in to get messages out.

But you know the way that that, like the millennium generation is going, is that they what they want to spend their money on a meaningful experiences, which means you know, generally speaking alive in person. That there is a wave of things going back to that. So you know as a tool we need that. I mean this is amazing feat of this platform. This pike ass- you have a touching so many bill or just twitter, whatever it is, but then it can be. You know used for incredible good to bring people together. I think- and then and so what's missing in that in that social media interaction, automobile? it is up. Maybe doesn't I don't really know because a message in a bottle he's got a measured good message. Not gonna. Do not you have to like be, cognisant LEO, where I think of how the people can receive it without actually getting that reception back from them and that's where it gets real where it and you have to like, I think, apply.

By the same principles that you would in communicating with other people like without actually communicating with without seeing them without getting the social cues outlook in him in the eye and where, where weird thing man, This might not make sense, would bring it back to connect to the wilderness stuff. What we're talking about The sense of this sort of isolation and loneliness that we have. And for me in my life, where I learned to connect with others really learn to sort of give it up? Let go be present with people was in the wilderness. It was. It was doing that job out in the desert with kids. Out there for eight to twenty days at a time with these kids, where that was my job, it was my job to simply be with them and in a way to be with them, way. That was you know, I've, seen a lot of boundaries and everything, but to be really real, just to be totally real, modest and straightforward com.

Bullshit when we saw bullshit be sympathetic- and it was just like this crazy crash course in human connection- and I happened to be out in the wilderness, but so what I think this is. This is a little tied together, but me, I started to feel way way way: more. Human being out there in the wilderness, by just being other, was quiet being out there, where it like I sat on Iraq. I was sitting on Iraq and the sun was army and all of my senses were engaged in a very aware of my body. We were in these groups where we're being

practicing being very aware of what we felt and being able to feel express that, and it just felt like in a sense then for me, it all comes back to to be in the wilderness. But since then, all the other things have engaged in meditation. The man's group stuff all the other person, even psychedelic things, like the other things that have experienced all for me, tie back to that thing in it. It comes down to what I feel is like being totally as much as it can truly present yeah like just just here right now, and you can write a twitter message from that place of being present right. That's what I mean this does nothing necessarily wrong or bad about that, but dumb, but dont, checked of responses every three minutes: six hours like a maniac, yeah yeah, it's it's a matter of, I guess rationally, rationing, some other

that social media, stuff or rationing. Some of that online interaction with other people. I feel it as time has gone on. I've I've gotten much more of my online interaction in it like an educational form. Terms of like interesting article right science, things things, it don't involve like social interaction or opinion. As much as they involve really fascinating facts like gum, something that I found today, they think that North America might have been settled by humans as much as a hundred thousand years earlier than they thought. I saw you see it's insane like that kind of freaks me out my I love that kind of stuff, because that Dakota stuff is just your curiosity, impure, wonder and, and and the imagination goes wild thinking about what it must have been like to be one

early humans surviving or trying to survive, and they didn't we wouldn't be here and these These Macedon fossils. They found them, only were shattered and there's rocks near by that do not seem like they were brought anywhere. So one. Ninety two there were doing highway construction near San Diego and they found these. Looking bones and then they start doing these studies on them and they found their mastodon bonds and they didn't have the ability to do carbon test, and get a real, accurate assessment back than some. But now they do and so now, when their checking these bone In the way these bones had been shattered, they're pretty sure that they had been shattered, purposely went to get to the marrow law so that yeah that's a great example of a positive benefit. Yesterday

I am a meditative about eighty minutes or so, and then I am. I sat up afterwards and I clicked on my phone and open facebook. In the first thing, I click tough say was a visit of a woman in slow motion who stuck her ass out the window, the bus into. Shall this I didn't I didn't. Do I built a laugh to myself man, I'm just like in the zone in Ireland. This beautiful plays a mental open watch. My good remind me of counts, one joke that shutting out the car eighty miles an hour, Youtube video. I thank you, I've I've deftly seen too many those videos I've seen to any videos people get beat up to too many PETE Videos, street fides, timid videos of people like skateboard. Accidents, where they fuckin flippant on their head. It's hard to now watch very hard and very it's very hard

Maybe I feel like there's something to be learned in those videos. Like almost one show my kids, hey, don't try to do flips Fiona. Will you where are your fuckin head, but we understand the consequences and having someone else do it. So he can and from them they ve already done it. So here learned does. What does why you don't fuck with a tiger, see, was the Geiger killed by now you now! You know. This is why you don't do this way. Don't do that like there's gotta, be some educational value yeah, I'm sure. That's all I can reach a little. I mean we have some pretty strong instincts, Interested- let's say don't fuck now, but kids man, it's like it's also dumb kids. Are there as educational tools for the survivors, so you're supposed to see that one kid poke the tiger and yet more deal? I share. I can't believe you actually broken zoo now. Bobby's gone like Bobby likes me less that Joseph Campbell story,

the hero, that it goes all the way back to the one person who sacrificed their life and get killed by the predator in front of the tribe and so that the tribe could survive and that they they worshiped that person for doing that. Yet the other here goes off. Let us and brings it backs the community in everybody's, better for you or you watch the hero, get mall to him, he's a martyr and you escape while the Hyenas are eating em. What are they- we thought- or we worked with kids out in the woods- was that we call the natural consequences right, which it, which just means that when you do something something else happened. There is a natural reaction and it was used allotted times opposition, or instead of of like a penalty system right. So if you do something bad we could, we could lay this punishment on top of a like we're kind, I mean well, so for example, if

If somebody was gonna harm themselves or somebody else, you got carpet you don't you get, it would put out a sharp and your shoes and everything will be taken away from union. You couldn't leave the top like that. That is where you had to stay, because you can hurt yourself, you can hurt anybody else. Why. So that was you know at some of that you with their shoes, what did you put them in a tent? a new target, and so they had its day like under tarp, is at the idea it was raining happen now I mean otherwise it's just. It was just basically a time out, and you know you just stay air can interact with the group. Your by yourself, whatever that's agent, the best example, but just used. So if you swore you could some programmes would in our maybe have appoint system you get penalized crimes yeah yeah I mean it wasn't aims. Will soon it wasn't really upheld, unto I'm region for a good example here,

I, what I'm trying to say is that if you do something shitty generally, you heard other morality and things things happen, and so what we I d show that if, if kids do something should to pay attention and and that they would see the harm their creating themselves by, by harming other being, rather than just like. You know, in societies, locking a kid up, for you know, breaking the law. It would be Maybe if you break a window, you In this other way, you would go and them- actually see and experience that the the shit that other people had to do to fix the window. Well, you know more repetitive type, a justice system, rather than I got a penalty punitive punitive Riah right. So when you did take these kids like what was like the most extreme example. Somebody like really disturbed, because I would imagine it would be like a big sort of like the result, but lotta variables, like some people, would be kind.

Fucked up and some people be really fucked up- is probably spectrum rent our absolute generally speaking very few were, I would say, actually fucked up very, very a very very but where was a case of molten, they were kids in families and then like communities that did not a mixed for. Indeed, with him, then in mentors they didn't have people to their parents that that guy, the right direction, I don't know like being a kid is, is it you're supposed to test boundaries right? It's like that, the party or development in Europe ontogeny that, like you, are defining your personality, defining who you are, and you need to test the boundaries, and Some kids made only to progress at least two thousand, maybe more kids altogether.

Start a lot right from a lot for a long time, and only one I went to bed at night worried that might get my head kicked in regional, just one one kid and maybe one or two other kids- that I walked away actually not in weighing being around them almost, every other single one. It was just like what, ways to do about the one that you worried about in your head kicked in. You know just kind of this kind of sat with. It is really nothing did it was just again nationally or through the entire experience that was through the whole thing urging us through the air was uncomfortable fuck. That would happen him alone I have no idea in others theirs. In their laws and their things. You don't generally get to stay in touch,

This was actually at a state. Programmes of this was in lieu of a jail sentence. They came out. It was locked up. While what did he do? I don't remember I don't know. Probably stolen car beat somebody upper out. I don't know it was a super aggressive. He wasn't no, but he had that he had this. I had the feeling that he had no empathy, the four others pay right. He couldn't feel that that's it. That's the only time at ever got any international day. Those kids arrogance that that sent chills through me in those like. And maybe maybe I didn't feel in any practical sense- that he was gonna hurt me, but I had the sense that if he did, he wouldn't care right. Because there wasn't that connection. The same thing we're talking nonsense like that's the thing get drafted in a group of eight

Boys are young men and so funny like you could, and we worked for therapists with therapists, common asta. But all like the fundamental thing I took away from that experience was that in order for these, for these guys to grow up and sort of move on, get goin in their lives in what they needed with just somebody like Nita, just show what I did were really not complicated right. Yeah and answer just let them air things out and talk about better ways to do things and sort of get some perspective now. You know with maybe talk, but this last But then they go home and not necessarily have that support anymore and be back in their old. A Rina aware, whereas in other off Disney World family Dynamic and all that and it ended the hard way it. So I left that whole experience just

I do know that it's a muscle we can practise. Empathy is something that right that we can get better at and that we can pay more attention to finance frightened her fucked up young kid without We just can't get done it when you have some one. That has no empathy, though, what can be done to instil empathy and sullen lacks it. If anything so I don't know you know if you gonna far end of the spectrum, where there's nothing, I don't know, I don't know if that's possible, but I do know that it's a muscle we can practise. Empathy is something that right, we get better at and that we can pay more attention without empathy like how what sort of motivation do they have to gain empathy, Philip, no one is shown towards them. I don't know. What's so that's

I think that that is possible to gain and unit has been. What is that a child called it? Have you her labour yeah yeah? I mean, I think, it's possible in the much What's incredibly sad but real is that I think some people you know grow up in an in their brains, develop they develop as humans, where they don't have that as the actual wiring, the actual state to take to receive that. I think that that is possible to get a child called it. I mean I think it's possible in but in a less extreme cases, in other words, the way works in prison. I guess it leaves the prisoner Pirnie made off as you get fifteen minutes to talk on the phone and then you have to wait. Fifteen minutes before he could talk again in fifteen minutes again, and so they this is,

and if it of others, the right of veto benefited themselves. Do there is my brother sub, deserted podcast on radio lab about Bernie Madoff and this guy contacted Bernie made. He sent em letters and finally Bertie made of them, and they did this interview other word works in prison. I guess it leads to pray more Bernie made off, is you get fifteen minutes to talk on the phone and then you have to wait fifteen minutes before he could talk again in fifteen minutes again, and so they this is how they did it you, like fifty minutes on fifty mb, is offered and. After wily, sorted gained is trust. Anyone deep into this whole deception started, and Bernie made off. If you don't know the whole story burning now is the guy had this gigantic ponzi scheme and stole billions of dollars from people and Scott Ponzi Supernova? Is the radio lab episode and one of the things

was the most shilling was how little empathy he had towards the people that he ripped off right, whose lives have been destroyed, son committed suicide attacks bullock literally, went from having all this money to being so broke their like dumpster, diving care didn't give a fuck that mean he he'd had no empathy and he's a monster. He answered it's really interesting to see. You like this guy's reaction to Bernie made offs lack of empathy and a real icing somewhere on line? I got this guy does not care. There was one of the things that the investigators said about him, that it didn't to bother him at all that he had done this to these people that would put bothered him was that he had gotten caught, but it didn't bother him that these people had been devastated. What bothered him was like that people had made money, you weren't, giving that money back like he called one guy and told them the guide me.

Like nine billion dollars he's worth nine billion dollars or other seven billion of it had come from burning made offs ponzi scheme. They told me that seven billion dollars by God Hardtack dramatist poor, which is kind of hilarious cuz. You can't live with two billion, I guess, or maybe it's not liquid, maybe couldn't give back. The seven Billy, maybe was impossible, is tied up in real estate and holdings in this, and that the other thing, but is an amazing that one person's reality could ass. I would love to step into his head forsake. Aren't you the debris made, have just to see what it felt like. I happened to be very helpful to build a new step in, and I because just to see, I can't picture it is, can picture it I could also couldn't picture not being able to live at two billion dollars either. What what is it? I aids that thou weirdness of the game. Right as I you score hundred points, one score thousand points, grow thousand and one score millions, four million one score billion: it's like you, never stop and people,

ever they never achieve peace like That's what I was a civil bill gates. I quite a fuck. His bill gates still working delegated here about him being them riches and now is not mean he really did sort of find some sort of a balance. And now almost All of his work is done towards humanitarian efforts. Seized I don't it's a lot of money order, charities. What I mean a lot of really good work post, his Microsoft career, which is a really unique that a guy's or a found his way founders, but kept a lot of money. Yet I am wrong now, apparently, he's got sums dupe fuck ass, well, ass, submarine in the Pacific. Northwest were like so much break in his house, you fuckin escape and a summary I kayak by his house once again today you, the secret service, fuckin swarm you, asked wearing on nobody, I conceded by the programme loud turn to swap by his house

doesn't work well, it was a private island, at least the place that I was that I was just hold by the guy was with. We were actually thrown crab parts out of kayaking I was told it was his like house, out of his main house, might have been one of his houses, but we were you know, I don't know fifty yards off shore and as a private eye private island, that's when you bought when you're on and was an island Tyler Parry the guy makes a shitty movies tv shows us awful shows Tyler Perry ere. He has a prominent his programme where an identical fellow. I actually feel some sad news for Birdie made off. Really I am I mean that's, I don't know he's as tortured, as you know, I think, is harder to feel empathy for him, but he's as toward human is, I don't know pick anybody. Maybe right yeah Maybe maybe not I'm pretty sure. I don't know, that's a fact, but I do know if you

if you're hurting that many people are you are you kidding me like you, aren't feelin you'll be all right now you know it's. It's weird lie like: when do you feel bad for someone? Do you feel bad for Jeffrey Dahmer like how did he become that Cannibal murderer guy that happen. You know what what causes some one to go from, like you have a boy who were causes, someone to go from your cue. Oh baby boy to being some monster, yeah a cat is at what is it about people, yet it makes it possible for someone to go even not for two monster, but have other young boy that you were working with. It had no empathy worried about sleeping near MIKE what happens like the development process of a human being? is way more fascinating to me as an adult

children than it was when I was young man when I was young man and I was single on it in every kids, I thought people are fucked up, some people were read, the people are fucked up, fuck dam and death penalty in league kicked arousing sounded obsessed with this. My all, my life really gonna meet absolutely like what what is this process of growing have ever heard? The novel sit Harper NO by Herman Hesse has much to say that, but it's a classic novel author from Germany and ended it chronicles the life of a young guy named said Arthur, but the whole, book. What it is it goes through his entire life from when he was born until he dies? and in it are these like very specific stages of life, so here in his like young wandering years, and then he needs to work so city and end. He learns from a from a trader and then he needs to learn about love, so he so he gets with a prostitute. But but all in these big stages in that book did something to me and an early age at just got obsessed.

With this process of maturing and theirs. It there's a term for called ontogeny, which is that the price says of an organism growth over their lifespan. It's just this natural sort of architecture- and ontogeny of a tree as it is a seed, the drops in its sprouts and then it routes and grows, and then it dies and an end yeah it's been an obsession of mine and you know: thrown into Thou work of working with kids and yet its aims oh fascinating by and I dont have obviously any GINO Solid, here's how it goes. But what are they look into it for a long time? And I just I think that only we back the book the ice to read that book out loud to these groups of kids as regards IRAN

fire nightmare reed, I'm not gonna, be out there for days. He arrived to read a novel out loud, and you know it's just something: poetic, not about just the words but about watching the life. Someone's life on fault as a whole story and watching them grow up has just it's weird fascination I haven't and specifically because an outcome that keeps saying comes back to that time in the but but I only worked with males of boys and it wasn't. I didn't choose to do that. I felt like do a lot of girls. Do the same sort of therapy, yeah yeah, I think must go with. Women, too, is probably acca problem with men going out there with girls. Don't they'll do mixed leadership groups like a male and female for both boys and girls, but yeah, there's, always a girl. With the girls The young man- I just got obsessed with this. What what? How do we grow up? What does it look like was feel like

How come it's not happening, because that's a big part of what I felt as I looked around is that I think that a lot of adult physically adult man walk around with parts of themselves that are still in their tea. Six to eight. Brian. You know that there's this human maturation process is human journey that we all have available to us that I you know, I think we're too busy a lot of times to let it actually flow and happen. I think that's true true, but I also think that there is a maturation process that comes from overcoming obstacles, a lotta people just don't encounter. They dont encountered difficult. So they don't learn about themselves, that's part of it, but I think that a lot of times, even if they do- encounter difficulties, they dont let themselves actually feel they dont. Let themselves experience it re like

everybody has shitty things happen then, but you can keep that shitty thing at a distance from the Iraqi. Like kind of address it, you can sort of an act out instead, but unless you actually feel it I mean think about, and this this gets into things like trauma and resilience and how people are able to move on from hardship right and add a lot the research there's a psychiatrist got Bessel Vander, Coke, never hurt him. No fascinating did he say He started working with the vizier in Boston and worked with return vets from from Vietnam. And then did this whole lifetime of study about trauma and how it comes into humans and hiking move through it, and I can heal at all this stuff and it. It just. It basically comes down to being able

to be more resilient to be able to get over things to say, definite, family or an attack or an assault or whatever, whatever their trauma could be that if you don't allow the body and the your system to actually go through, feel and process, what's going on, you eat lock it up. You lock it up. You like and it it doesn't it. I mean it's almost like a gets implanted in you somewhere and then it just like this festers esters, and it's in the cool thing is that the in that new, the science knows is showing the diverse specifics of this is not just a minute still theory right, but it's so if you like a got off what what we were talking about their but yeah, I feel like like you, said, being able overcome things. Of course, only a part of that is just to me again speaking more from a male perspective here, but

part of that and I think, a lot of what culture says it's: ok! Is let's horse our way through this right? Let Forza! Let's push harder, let's, let's conquer our fears our feelings, that's, let's not address Delicious push right run through the wall radically were taken at the presence where work So that's it! That's the thing than theirs is other whole way take to get through hardship, which is by actually said, entering to it and letting you dislike brilliant system that we average humans to process it and then get through it by Bryan in that's, that's that's away to wholeness and in health in some way. I think that both in, for I mean like yet, you need to be able to, You know and ignore the pain and power your way up, that mountain or or save somebody that's getting hurt or whatever and then there's other part. I think it needs to be in balance, which is accepting what's happening in getting through. I just away to accept what's happening.

Your body do, which is why I also think this is an extreme lack of discipline that a lot of people have and that discipline a lot of it comes from over coming difficult obstacles and understanding the work. That's required, get things done, making these little leaps and bounds, making these improvements in your life getting better things. Think those things are really critical to the human mind, the mind has desires and one of the big desires, as it has a desire for improvement and its desire to achieve goals and there's a lot of people there. These goals are laid out by other people. These goals are like graduating from third grade graduating. From for quite a lot of shit, you don't want to do so. These goals are meaningless. T see never feel like you, ve accomplished anything that you actually want to do. You know you're a thirty five year old man work for an insurance company. You dont want to be there, you don't have any real part of you that you ve nurtured you just sort of plug.

You and in these other weird shapes and conform to them, and then he just article, fuckin, crazy and probably bitched about it all the way. Along, probably, you probably complained in knowing in Euro wine you little twat and you're out here just half com, you're, not the freeway BP born. Given him the finger, I mean that's a lot of humans run into that's a lotta, the lot of this life so yeah, and that points directly to what now I do not I'm building is. Is that so you take ADA those guys eyes and we set up as us a room. You say our in space right here, fuck all that we're gonna be actually honest and say what were few. But maybe can't even really access like all that frustration, all that shit whenever it could be anything so hard for he will do right like when it were current techniques to employ to get someone like save you get some eyes closed off and has been bullshitting his way through life and then all certain areas is thirty. Five year old, guys really troubled is in a room with yeah how'd. You get that guy to open our safety,

and say of leading by example, and being vulnerable by example, and when somebody's its partners connection like sitting down somebody that, if you, after one last creates a guy's came up to me said safety is the new I Alaska, which is maybe a strange thing to say, but He said, he'd been all over the world, doing drugs trying to find growth trying to find himself, and we want I went to this retreat and all we did was sit down and say: okay, our intent. In other words, what we actually are doing here is just making this you're not gonna, be you gonna be supported. You're not gonna, be laughed at take me to safe space to do it, and then you just I've been and lead by example, and that example like plugs others right into it. It is amazing, like symbiotic thing that happened so right and and people just sometimes break open, sometimes crack slowly open, but

now all of a sudden, so maybe after thirty five years of only being other people's program, you get in touch with what you actually What you actually want and who you actually are just like this fucking- is a homepage. I think for a lot. People it's really difficult to try to do what you actually want to, because you ve spent so much time warning yourself with material items for these little accomplishments, that Eve Eve become in debt you really can escape the system hullo real problem problems, people they how lonely car that their leasing. They have a house that there renting or that, even worse, that they bought and then they their stock. And then they don't know what the fuck do. They have to keep this insurance company job and it just rotting them out from the inside totally yeah. That mean there's like a whole society built on trying to keep you not who you are right, and I think you know boats are what were finding, which is really amazing. Is that if you stay

that surface level. If you stay on that sort of, I don't so it trying to improve yourself goes so far, but it's can like an iceberg thing right so like if your goal is to make more money right and an years ago, and you going toward it in and you listen apart cancer. You do all this stuff. We need to figure out how to do it. How do I do it? How right and you keep hidden a wall you keep getting sort of thrown down and you don't really understand it. Underneath, meanwhile, is this massive sort of like pent up shit and If you address that massive pent up shit, then All the sudden getting to that goal is whole different story to hold different story. It, sir, it's it's like always trimming that like, if you need to get rid of

tree new yard, but all you do is every day you chop the least awful leaves off, but if you dress that the routes, the deeper stuff and of again as a stigma against that but she for deeds rights of workers as they guys to guys don't want to do into whew hippies spiritual shit, I do in their annoying sure Yet if we really want to get into it right exactly in I mean I don't know and off I pull this off or not, but I feel fluent in in like in abroad. Culture and fluent in you know like I've. I've gone down that spiritual out tune, we have recognised when the spirits route is legitimate and when the spiritual route is like a ruse as well, sometimes even the spiritual, rather just something that someone is plugged themselves into to try find some meaning exact, meanwhile, is not authentic. Exactly

So how are you doing this if your mommy interrupting like what you when you're so you're you're planning on taking guys like say, save on that there five Euro guy gather, worse insurance company, for example, and I'm just fucked up, and that is the ongoing crazy man. I need to do something hey this, interesting to me that wilderness therapy, what does it mean Dan Dodi? What does that mean? How do I get involved in this and how it? How do you get me out of his regiment yet so through three things were offering right now, and the first is is the wilderness route, which is like a sixty expedition, and you can see. Up, pay some money and go in the woods and change life like pre, but will climb out as well go fishing will and all along cell set up this sense of safety in this community in the sense of the boy. And how many guys to go with you, no ten or twelve, for that as you and these ten people a couple of the leaders in my copper leaders, because we have to deal with interpersonal despair it's another nonsense, you gonna hafta likely encounter rent

so I'm I'm working with some guides to just hair together, logistical stuff, so that I can manage the group. The group of more That's one offering that's! That's! That's! That's kind of our capstone offered we're doing weaken retreat, and we ve been doing this for the last six months and I ve been just catching on fire, but thirty guys at a time in a large, been doing in the berkshire. So woods couple hours in New York City, thirty guys there and to set up a sort of an intense weekend. Experience of practice in the stuff in will heighten undue trail, workin and all that stuff. But, more importantly, do it. The self, in our diving in yourself, with in the presence of other guys, which is just I've done therapy. I've been in therapy, I'm not a therapist, but when has been very helpful like I buy, for if you work with a good therapists, that really is really good. I couldn't many more, but there's something about this these men's retreats.

I totally understand sound unattractive to organise. It sounds like a lot about fuckin, yeah Of course. Of course, that is, is your. That is the big first serve. Response rail woods, her tell me more, we all I can be open in the woods, we went we made at one of our advertising, videos for, and it starts out that a guy stands up and says yeah. I heard about measures to reach it, and I thought first thing I thought was this: is gonna, be fucking off and so get it, but yeah. I think we're getting further enough along where the guys are going through. This are literally coming back with the most positive feedback that I could. I couldn't write the shit like like changing their lives and just like literally cause it's you know back to that things were offering a place for them to accept a pie themselves, that's been offline for a long time. Isn't big fuckin do

it's really now. It's probably also big fucking deal to just separate. The high for a little bit and just be outside of cell phone range and be in the woods and just take a big deal breath of fresh air and look around the wilderness and realise that this is this is reality is well in your even plugged into this civilization. Reality miss this city, this urban environment. Which is entirely unnatural and his own been a real thing for the past couple hundred years, we literally didn't exist for the gigantic swell Of humanity that that existed before that yeah, I think that it was the wrong word there really. I think it does a couple, Deep things lights up this this This neurobiology that that of us as social animals. I think it goes back to more of a trial.

Sense of living tooth. Is I all son you eat. You went from being isolated, lonely to Heaven. Thirty! Do too honestly fucking do anything for you in a moment, then I got a buddy Good buddy is a return special forces operator and heat. He sits in my man's given Bozeman with me, and really struggled with coming home and then found our group and within a month his life is back on track, just kill in it. Just kick his ass. And you know I mean There- is a connection between- I wouldn't say- the general military, but the special forces. You know you read books in here about the the aspect of motherhood and how their therefore each other in this is definitely a very different venue. But I think the Bonn and connection that that has created out of it is- and this is from from his mouth to- is its he went in utter how many years several

Here's and special forces living with in close connection two guys got thrown home was also isolated and they came into our group unjust. Had this this closeness again and adjust back just like back to back to kill him while yeah. It's I mean. I very aware I mean it's. I've been scared to start speaking about this for years, and I mean it's very to me. Even I look at advertising for similar man's programmes, a thing like that too so turned off. Gas seems weird it doesn't. People need resets need some sort of recent. We ve talked about this before about we'd. Both experience, those recess through psychedelic or or through these awning trips in the wilderness. Trips like, but I think people get caught. Up in the momentum of their daily existence and all the requirements that daily existence and they become overwhelming

what we're talking about like w your lease that you have in your car or your mortgage, that you have in your house and a credit card bill to keep coming in. Student loans. You need to eventually get to and bites a fucking overwhelming grind, and sometimes people need something that removes them entirely from it for a certain amount of time that allows you just to fresh air. The not not just lira, flesh air, but the metaphorical fresh air. Of all, allowing you to just separate from this to all these weird influences and weird energy and momentum them many of you, the life they ve created, or that's been created for you that your sword, trapped in Yemen, I'd food. So that reset thing I mean I think I want a warning. Is that if you start getting a reset- and I mean from my own experience- I needed pretty regular yeah now sought the actually the biggest goal of a visit of every man them.

Position- I found it is too our goal. Is the Amelia guys in man's groups, because that is the same, and then it happened. So this last return, at thirty guys show up twenty of them wanted to immediately get into a weekly group to to basically continuing regularly experience a sample. It's like a hit in others. I think two about men in this culture, where there's not a lot of sympathy towards men that are struggling Nelson like there's. This thought that men are the patriarchy in word dominating the world and we're almost like sub human. Where response for all these issues of men with issues like oh Crimea, Fuckin River. What about women with issues? What about trans people with issues? What about gay people with issues? What about black Jesus Christ, like of irregular? white guy with issues like your issues are bullshit. We cannot, but it doesn't matter you are you. Are you can't change the fact that your white guy? So if your white guy with problems, nobody gives a fuck

can't they see that had all connects the nothing. I see that I don't. Why did I makes everybody else unhappy to talk man? They don't because it it's not convenient for their narrative, the narratives a year responsible for all the problems in the world, even though you just Dan Dodi from Bozeman Montana doubts. Now I get it, but it's it's so I mean that's one of the most powerful, so the podcast, I'm launching, is a self improvement. I cast for guys, but instead of going to experts and saying You know what's the best morning routine, that you can do designing a routine or whatever I'm on top regular guys and an hour asking them to share in no more or be than they would normally work because happens in these scenarios is that we learn from each other just a simple human fucking beings who, just like you know like one I might share that he's. Having trouble with his son, for example, with his kitty, does not to do it and

you know, like no matter why don't care were like a bunch of other guys will see like holy shit? I thought I was they want feeling you know, and it is all the a you and it's back this ice patient than you think that you're well think we're fuckin special We think that were so unique in the actual. If we actually took the time to connect with one another would be like. While we have a lot like it will enjoy that. Just that is enough to drastically changed. Somebody's day, let's go let's motive in a new to venture out, because you are working for zero point. Zero is big production company. They make a mediator and Anthony Bore. Danes show and those different shows what motivating you to step away from them and start doing this. This is why I've always wanted to do, and this is what I've been what cash impels you wanna help guys I just I- and I know that I can

even if it's just one guy, whatever it is, but working out there with these aids and seeing all this, it just is left me with the deepest deepest satisfaction, fulfilment It faction, but also a sense of purpose and then tell you what men? I have to add a boy had a son last year and when he came out there is something inside. He said. If you don't do, if you don't act what you know you can bring fuck you. Fuck it digress. Is your kid like like there is I don't know I'm I'm also. You know I was born a fairly sensitive. I could feel as one sensitive kid I could feel other people's pain. And when I am in a working with these kids now these man- I mean- I don't know I want. I want good for people right. I want good for you get for my family and I want good, for I don't know. I feel connected,

and I don't want to do. I can't listen. It's a noble purposes, curious about like what I mean you you have a promising career, a lucrative career with zero point, zero, so few to leave that has two billion really compelling sort of a pole. Yeah I mean that Job and that career was an amazing wild ride and, in some ways, felt like a temporary sidebar from what I'm, really meant to do you. I've been in writing for a long time, and here I think that the Whatever this thing is, I'm doing it shows me somehow or other I mean that's that's true, but. How long can you ignore the thing inside you that screams that you that says you have to do this

So you want to do in relation to the definition there I mean it's obviously beneficial insolvency, something your compelled to do and this obviously something that you Felix very fulfilling so wide. Nor so when you start this podcast it's out, without the every man podcasting every man, Podcast Evie, are why Emmy and what about checks? Fuck off forgot ex here you're, you got Oprah hotel I'm not. I mean that's a good question. I don't think it's why why dispelled outweigh the shit out of people? Well, because the full one was like a lot of money or wasn't available the well. It was just a practicality thing: ok, yeah e e r, why a man was not me. They are. Why so easy are? Why folks Evie are why man podcast how many so you have up to now and then yeah children are doing every week like how you do it, I'm going to try and probably every two weeks to start and then and is getting in this way.

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