Part 1: Maps of Meaning: 1 Monsters of Our Own Making. This is the first of a 13-part 30 minute episode television series broadcast by TVO presenting Dr. Jordan B Peterson's lectures on his book, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief. The lecture provides a good introduction to the psychology of mythology and religion, based on the idea that stories from these domains describe the world as a place of action, rather than, as science does, a place of things.
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In modern literature ended
literature that isn't so modern.
There's the notion of a human created monster Frankenstein right springs to mind,
at an adequate time. I mean Frankenstein was a fantasy and
just fantasy a dream in actuality about that:
temporal dangers of unbridled technological advancement, Right Wallis, Frankenstein morons
his face us daily, I mean it's become constant part of our existence. Why is that? While maybe at something like
yes, and- and this is certainly a notion that you would agree with if we
develop a moral sense as conscious
and has elaborated, has our technological sense. The fact that were capable of becoming increasingly powerful will necessarily do us in big
you're weapons, smarter, you better be to control them.
And so maybe it is something like this may be, and this is a strict union notion
maybe five hundred years ago when we started to ratchet up the rate at which we were developing our technological expertise and left
mythological and religious priests
positions and conceptions behind as our care and perhaps as predicated on superstition. Maybe we need to spend as much time
updating them and bringing them into the domain of clear consciousness and control, as we have spent
on developing our technological sense
If you are a medieval christian or an archaic, religious thinker of any sort, your first presupposition was that the world in the cosmos existed exactly as they appeared, which, with you or at least you're village.
Town or country at the centre and
only with the earth at the centre and with the cosmos as a shield around the earth
the earth itself. As the domain.
Man being the fundamental attribute of the cosmos, so this
a quotation from young and
and I like a lot because I think it adequately and succinctly
tribes, the distinction between the way that modern people think and the way that
we'll think if they're still ensconced within a traditional belief, form
how totally did the different did? The world appeared a medieval man,
for him the earth was eternally fixed and rest in the center of the universe, encircled by the
or of a Sunday Solicitously bestowed. It's warm despite the fact that pre empirical people had to deal with
death and disease on a scale that I think is completely unknown to us it.
Seem unreasonable to presuppose that there was a certain degree of comfort to be found in a world view of this sort right because it appeared at least two.
Casual observer that because
was human centric
and that the notion that human per,
this was in some way associated with cosmic significance,
to be beyond question, at least in part, because there were no theories of reality. That would compete with that initial preconception manner.
Children of God, under the loving care of the most high who prepare them for iter,
blessedness and all knew exactly what they should do and how they should conduct themselves
to rise from corruptible world to an incorruptible and joyous existence.
Such a life no longer seems real to us, even in
dreams, natural sites,
and his long ago torn
lovely veil to shreds. How is it that people could think that
given that it was so wrong and still survive, given that in large part, weirdness necessarily creatures of tradition,
How is it that we can sever the ties with the manner in which our ancestors thought and suffer no real consequences in result,
people think automatically on, and I think for good reasons that the March of Human thought has been unbroken progress towards
increased rationality, increased power, increased clarity, but
certainly the case that, as a consequence of sacrifice of our religious beliefs and are full of philosophical beliefs,.
The problems of meaning have become more paramount for the modern person. Then you might ask what what exactly are the consequences of that
think. Initially. The best perspective to take is one that historical.
Ass. We moved away from a classical mystical
mythological worldview.
A number of dramatic occurrences of unfolded. We become much more technologically powerful right, the epoch,
vision, of a strict empirical model designed to
Abstract out from everyone's experiment experience there.
Things that our material and constant have enabled us to produce technological implements of extreme power right both for good
at least in principle, with regards to medical advances and all
for ill in terms of
ability to control weapons of unbelievable destructive force so or more
awful Armani, smarter or any wiser. Why?
a casual glance at the history. The twentieth century would suggest that perhaps were not
Because any indication whatsoever, although perhaps things have improved in the last fifteen years, that
national consequence of our capacity to extract ourselves from our religious modes of thought has been a pub
oh increase in wisdom or tolerance or compassion,
A possible increase in our ability to understand explicitly what might constitute the basis for a suitable and stable state, so you might take, for example, the fact that.
Twentieth century has been unbelievably bloody right, lit,
Hundreds of millions of people killed in common,
of one form or another, both external say.
The course of world war, two or Vietnam
internal in the case of Nazi Germany,
Soviet Union or any of the vast array of countries who.
Subjected their citizens to terrible internal repression in the name of the maid,
of order. The Alexander Solzhenitsyn estimated that six
million people died in the Soviet Union between nineteen nineteen nineteen. Fifty nine as a consequence of internal repression and his estimates were that perhaps twice that many die
during the Cultural Revolution in China.
Looking back on the twentieth century, one c one thing seems relatively clear right, although.
Humanity as a whole has ceased, or had ceased at least to engage.
Large scale, religious conflicts, although they seem to be making a vicious come back in the last five years.
Our ability to live together still seems incredibly compromised by our
passed to engage in ideological conflict and
seem to me ridiculous. To presume that the
it between capitalism and communism say or between capitalism, communism and fascism,
or even the emergent struggle between fundamentalist,
Islam and the West connection
barely be regarded as anything but extensions of our tendency towards religious and mythological conflict, even though
in principle systems like communism and fascism, we're not predicated
explicitly religious presuppositions.
Well. It seems to me that the logical conclusion from observations of that
orders that, even if you eradicate
The traditional trappings of the mythological world view, which seems to be what's happened as a consequence of our rising,
local knowledge,
You don't eradicate the tendency for people to formulate groups, belief systems around concept,
of ways that you should behave then
at the very least religious in structure and action. Even if they're, not religious, a name. I mean, I think it's a very peculiar coincidence.
Example that the sovereign
communists erected at
hail. Trinity marks, Lenin and stolen hasn't,
parent replacement. For the masculine trinity that comprise the
essential deities of Orthodox Russian Orthodox Christianity
Why would these forms reemerged so spontaneously
and what does it mean that people who.
Regard themselves as essentially modern and empirical in their presuppositions seem to be
absolutely susceptible in their fundamental.
To ideological claims. All if you look at
soviet union- which I think is a very instructive case, because the Soviets, the Russians
really the last european power to fall prey to the conflict between
empiricism and science and religion, and they didn't
they fall prey to that until the MID eighteen, hundreds, because Russia was a relatively close society, relatively illiterate
containing a medieval structure, far past
The time when other european countries had abandoned that in the eighteen fifty's
of aid spread across Russia in some sense as a
of enlightenment, but also as a plague and figures as towering as Tolstoy.
Remembered in his memoirs came the very day that he realized that the empirical discoveries of western Europeans had erratic
his ability to believe in the russian Orthodox system. You lose
something like that? What happened? Well,
if you believe that mythological thing
is nothing but soon
stitches empiricism, and then it's been replaced entirely by a more appropriate modern view that nothing happens right. It's all tier benefit to become enlightened, but a few,
Leave that there's more to the story than that and that more.
Traditional ethical and moral systems predicated on
mythological presuppositions offer you
of how to behave and what to think and how to regulate your emotions and what to strive for
of which can be replaced by a scientific perspective? Then the erratic
nation of a system like that leaves a vacuum. And then the question is
Russia's in to fill a vacuum. Well, if you look at the case of the Soviet Union, seems quite instructive, doesn't mean there's a thirty
a period where there is tremendous intellectual clash say between materialist, an empirical per
active and in Russian Orthodox Perspective, the Russian Orthodox Perspective loses its attractiveness for,
raining intellectual elite and the precepts?
of communism, which appear rational by contrast, but which, by all evidence, we're not rush into
the gap
and I want to read you something that nature road is perhaps the most famous thing he ever said
although its almost entirely taken out of context and misquoted and if not misquoted at least misunderstood because need
was one of these strange people who was capable of living things,
The or even a hundred years into the future, and although he was
is generally regarded as an enemy of Christianity and superstition, and was certainly an unbelievably outspoken opponent of christian traditional ISM.
He also knew that if you let
the old gods die the probability that blood flood the land was virtually one hundred percent. Let me read you what he wrote
not heard
of that madman,
a lantern in the
morning. Hours ran to the marketplace and cried incessantly. I see, God
many of those who do not believe in God we're standing around just then he provoke, must much laughter. Why
Did he get lost said one?
whose is way like a child, said another, whereas hiding is he afraid of us? Is he gonna Voyager emigrated? That's that,
old and laughed
the madman jumped into their midst and pierce them with his glances with,
is God he cried. I shall tell you: we have killed him you and I
All of us are as murderers
What have we done this
how are we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away
entire horizon. What did we do when we
change this earth from its son whither.
Moving now
Whither are we moving now way from all sons? Are we not
wondering continuously backwards side word forward in all directions.
Is there any Ophir down left
Not string is though, through an infinite. Nothing. Do we not feel the breath of empty space has not become colder
is not night and more night coming on all the while must not
turns be lived in the morning
not hear anything yet of the noise of the grave diggers who are burying God. Do we not
anything yet of God's decomposition gods to decompose, God is dead, God remains dead. We have killed him
How shall we, the murderer of all murderers comfort, ourselves?
holiest and most powerful of all that the world has yet old, has bled
f under our knives who a white this blood office? What water is there?
ass the queen ourselves? What festival,
of atonement. What say
game show we have to invent he's, not the greatness of this deed too great for us.
Must we not ourselves become God simply to seem worthy of it? As you can tell.
That's a much different notion from the casual God is dead,
Haitian that's most generally associated with nature, where what is he saying we're saying some
like this, a system like Christianity or any system. This.
That's oriented society for thousands and thousands of years cannot simply be eradicated
A casual gesture without consequences ensue
and its aftermath. What consequences while nature says
while we no longer know up from down.
What does he mean by that metaphorically? Well, up
That's where you're headed right and down
that's what you want to stay away from and when you eradicate the most fundamental presuppositions of your system,
how then there is no up, and there is no doubt and then where are you precisely while it's not so easy.
It's not so easy to say, having not necessary
You ever been in that position. What is your
if like when you dont know up from down, is it merely neutral is? Is there merely no value laughter couldn't possibly be the case that it up and down in both being eradicated that the place that your left in is something much more akin to a permanent
of suffering, because maybe it's only the case that the constant capacity to surprise up in being an up that you believe in the constant striving for opposite,
so? What makes your life verbal to you and if you lost the sense of up and down the place,
you would end up, would be not so much neutral as terrible. Now,
have any belief system at all. You do that. So let's say you're an advocate of left wing politics you take a pro environmental stance or an anti corporate stance does.
Simply common thing to do and long undergraduates. What do you do
when you hold that belief system.
In view of the world, as it lays itself out and you
play in the manner in which it manifests itself. In terms of the
axioms of that belief system, and you may know that you can do it right. You can t
a credible story about why the world is the way it is by adopting, say an anti corporate perspective, because there are all sorts of terrible things about the world that are a consequence say of corporate manoeuvring,
And you might also say that, and Pierre J would say this- that it's a necessary developmental stage too,
Choir allegiance to a given belief system, why? Any
is better than none. That might be the first observation, so, even if Europe,
system is relatively insufficient. Uneasily challenged on intellectual grounds and perhaps not very complete anyways the fact that it does lay out a moral structure for you in TAT,
good from evil and right from wrong. That's up. That's a plus! That's an advantage now, its relative intellectual weakness and its incoherence assuming it. It is incoherent to some degree, that's a flaw, but that doesn't mean that the effort to us
it was a system like that is worthless, is worthwhile and nature said, say. With regard to Christianity and Europe, he said well errors, intellectual and moral of institutional. Christianity are essentially beyond cow.
But there's one thing you have to remember.
First of all, in ordering of that sort is necessary because the alternative, which is
always hidden from you in so far as your inside a moral system.
Ternata, is far worse. Chaos, that's worse on the part of the reason that the Germans preferred Hitler to chaos with, because they felt that the order that Hitler promised repressive as it was, was preferable to the chaos that was likely to ensue in its absence. What is it about care said so terrifying second nature said:
Adopting a belief system of any sort and imposing coherency on the world view.
Through the lens of that explicit system disciplines your mind so, for example,.
To live in the absence of any state of beliefs is heartily to live at all to live
The presence of a narrow minded and extreme belief system is at least
To go the rigours, both
behavioral and intellectual of coming to to
with the world from some perspective, nature said the reason that the modern mine such as it is
was able to free itself from the past at all was because it at first
thoroughly subjected itself to the tyranny?
that was imposed by the past inconsequence disciplined itself developed enough discipline as a concept?
of subordination to then break free of it.
In all signs of moral. So far, one thing was lacking strange ass. It may sound
morality itself, what was
king was any suspicion that there were something problematic here. Every society every functioning, individual, every functioning.
Family every social unit has a moral code, but they differ. So what does that mean exactly what's? Com,
It isn't it because the fact of the universality of the code, the fact of the code indicates that the car,
food or our code is necessary by this?
in token, the fact that there is a multiplier
The of codes seems to suggest that the particulars
but given code, aren't necessarily relevant and so
Just says brilliantly. I think we're faced with a problem.
No life without morality,
no absolute morality! What do we do.
One of the things young observed was that if you look at the structure of stories, he thought first there's a relationship between
stories and moral code. Well seems relatively straightforward. Doesn't it you tell us simple story like a parable? Sometimes they are complex to like an Aesop's fable say what do you extract out from the story more?
What's the moral was the implication of the story for behaviour right, so you tell TAT little store.
About someone who acts out a given moral code and that person does better or worse and the moral of the story is few act in this manner. You will do better or
earth proverbial knowledge, we all tail stories they have identifiable structure. You can tell that
has a movie studio in Hollywood, can produce a movie and people all over, the world will watch it. People all over the world all over the world,
stories to one another. Applaud element seem similar.
Are the moral similar. That's a more difficult question right. We know
The details of morality can vary from culture. The culture
is there anything that doesn't vary from culture, the culture?
Why would you want to find that? I will examine your soldier nets and thought that one of the most important, no currencies of the twentieth century were the Nuremberg trials. Nervous trials brought the perpetual.
Perpetrators of the Nazi genocide to justice, and it's easy to be cynical about out, and perhaps you should be cynical about it, because the VIC
has brought the losers to trial, and so of course, the losers. We're going to be tried from the perspective of the winners, moral code, but Solzhenitsyn, says well wait. You know.
There's something more to this story. At least there seems to be in that.
Many of the events that characterized the noise
see. Atrocities were so awful. Our intellectual argumentation you can provide
intellectual argument for anything they were so awful that the proper
this oral embodied response,
of any observer, regardless of specific moral code, should be repugnance period such that encoded, at least initially. In international law.
Genocide as a crime against humanity right, no matter what
picketers of your moral code? So goes the logic you cannot.
Struck the viable moral code,
that enables genocide.
If not a logical impossibility, and I think it is a logical impossibility, it's an ethical impossibility, and then you have to ask yourself- and this is not precisely in intellect
question. Does that seem credible to you? Does it seem
double that there are acts that are so terrible that no one, regardless of their stated position, should ever engaged in them. And if the answer is yes, then I would say well, if you haven't move towards personal, accept them
acceptance of an ultimate so to speak. You ve certainly identified at least one down that you don't want to approach and that's that
meetings of the establishment of some notion of absolute moral authority. So what if we said hypothetically something like this, let's say that morality isn't a philosophy,
it's not something explicit something implicit. How does that leave all well
sure creatures produce it. You don't have to produce
isolation of your word weren't a social animal if you live the solitary and nocturnal existence by yourself
need for morality, because you don't have to regulate your behavior with regard to your peers,
but you're social animal, so you're stuck with everybody else, but everybody else could be conceived of as a grand average right. How would you act
What's the average person, I would say that very
very stable moral systems. Tell you exactly that, and they say things like.
Do onto others, as you would have them do, unto you write basic principle of reciprocity. Why does that work and its accomplice
precept. It means I should treat you like. I would like to be treated by you and you might think well. That means too
nice to you, but that isn't really what it means, because nice isn't enough right. What I want
from you really is communication, real communication fee
back? What am I doing this acceptable and good? What am I doing that son acceptable and not good and.
That latter aspect of
back as part of the reason why, if your site,
pathological and isolated you're in much worse shape. Because half
your sanity or three quarters of an hour. Ninety percent of it who knows is distributed sounded the you, don't have to be that saying so long
hanging around other people, because it sends you do something: that's deviant,
they're going to raise and arbour out you right, and then you think how well
add- and this is you do something good- then they're gonna pay more attention to and smile you. So all of this
formation about how to regulate yourself is out there
in the world right. The average person how many people, even
within a week three hundred say: maybe it's not that many hundreds
about a year thousand two thousand five thousand ten thousand
what are they all telling you? Well, the message is similar
People how similar don't know exactly how similar that's it stories tell you.
So today I M going to tell you the best three stories that I know. I think these stories are absolutely phenomenally potent and the reason for that is that I think they
Illustrate in an extraordinarily power
four way the nature of the processes that led to the establishment of western democratic ideal,
Received earlier, whose
I rely on substantial substantially to make.
The following argument has taken western academic culture to task,
In a manner that hasn't fully been revealed,
He said that, like all human culture is the West
parochial and narrow and its viewpoint, and although over the last
three hundred years there has been a substantial amount of cross cultural intermingling and potential broadening of
this office and religious horizon at broadening
not being sufficiently complete
if we build on a viewpoint that I've been developing with you over the last few courses and make the precept
mission, that religious modes of thanking our more
phenomenal logical than they are rational, which means that they deal more with what you experience say than with the
active world. If we look at our camp religious store
through that lands, then they can start to open up, and so
given that I want to open up three religious stories to today too
the Epp and one
in passing because will return to it later start with the judeo christian
of genesis. When I say myth, I dont mean untrue. I mean
a form of knowledge. That's narrative in structure and predicated on presumptions that aren't empirical amiss describes
processes of transformation amidst describes them
says whereby elements of experience come into being and transform the fundamental structural.
Elements of Genesis are the way
Of God and chaos,
labour words for chaos and waste our time for chaos and toll who for waste
and Tom in particular, although total as well are very interesting words because you can track their derivation historically
firms. If you can track the derivation words historically, you can
some sense of the cultural meal you out, of which the word sprang
what time out means because we have written wrecked.
Of a story that involves character named time out?
in time out as a dragon who lives at the bottom of the ocean in the oldest,
asian myth we have, which is the Enumerate Lish, the sumerian creation, this Sumeria Babylon. Ok,
rightly regarded as the birthplace of modern western civilization
in Genesis, two processes unite.
To produce being the
to those processes are states. Is chaos represented
I d amato, who this
Those processes is logos.
And logos is another word that has an extraordinarily broad range of meaning, its generally.
Transcribed in the christian tradition as the word and its identified with Christ, which is a very peculiar
Ratification because it's the word of God that creates order out of chaos and of
the word of God in Genesis is a phenomenon that predates the birth of Christ, infinitely from a classical religious perspective. So the fact that that
beings are identified, is of great
clarity and also of great interest
mental story of Genesis, something like this and is perhaps the most
million contribution of judeo Christian sought to world history, its.
Its total impact is virtually incalculable.
The ideas. This chaos can be conceptualize to something that has an essentially feminine aspect as a matrix and it made.
It is a structure from which other structures emerge.
The story of Genesis makes the hypothesis that logos, which is the war
got it
phenomena phenomenon associated with speech and communicate,
and logic logos
logic.
Rationality, courage, exploration
combined into a single entity or
eight logos, the combination of logos and chaos is what brings order into being that's what
story and genesis means it's not empirical
description of the origin of objects, its finance
logical description of the origin of experience the
being that without the piercing
Plants of whatever consciousness, is whatever
background of experiences, the matrix chaos cannot,
conceptualize does real. It takes the
play between the feminine principle, chaos and the masculine principle logos in order to
it is being now
That's a substantial importance when you give some consideration to the fact that it mean
ITALY and Genesis after this
Movement of livable order.
The daddy are identified.
The individual human being with logos right maiden, gods image, that's the essential characteristic of the human being
That means is that the law,
those that operates in human beings, which is this capacity to make order out of chaos, is identical to the principle that gives rise to the cosmos from a mythological perspective. So it part.
Eggs of the deity in a very direct sense in
far as being itself
is dependent on its operation. Now,
It still possible declaim. Given that perspective, that a story with
sort of structures. Superstitious
and it doesnt bear any relationship to what actually constitutes reality. But you have to understand that
story old as it is, is predicated on older stories and it's on the ground,
that those older stories established that our entire concept of natural rights rests.
If you believe that natural rights have an exam,
Then that's more than merely arbitrary.
The reason you believe that is because their predicate those rights are predicated on the ideas that are expressed in these myths.
they are now we're gonna go back in time to some area.
Show you how this american creation, if
itself out
not only that I'm going to describe to you the direct political,
Applications of the inhuman
Sumerian creation S, because the political implications of that myth are well
stood, because the political scene
sure of Sumeria was D
equally associated with the structure of the myth.
Because the sumerian emperor was regarded as the earthly representative of
the highest God in the mesopotamian Pantheon, whose name was Marduk so
in so far as you were emperor, the reason that you were in and that this is what
If your sovereignty.
Legitimacy
to sovereignty has to have legitimacy. Otherwise there is constant revolutions. What gave
Poverty legitimacy in Mesopotamia was the identification of the emperor with Marduk and not that had certain implications for the emperor which will discuss in some detail,
story starts like this. You ve got this drag time out.
And time out is a great
Primordial beast:
who lives at the bottom of the ocean?
the ocean is water and water is associated with the primal element in archaic thinking, and I too,
those reasons for that already. If you view
the transformation of deserts as a consequence of rain
stand by water would be considered the element,
gives life right that the elements that brings life
fourth, and we know from an evolutionary perspective that that's accurate and we know that we're ninety
water, and so
to consider water. The primal element is no trivial conclusion
not no less than presuming
The sun is the ultimate source of life, the ultimate goal,
because the sun is the ultimate source of life as far as
concerned on earth right cause it's the source of all our energy. These aren't stupid concepts
Rachel time out is this horrible creed.
That lurks at the bottom of the primal element,
now she has a husband absolute now, the mesopotamian creation, myth doesn't say much about absolute. We only know
he's the male consort of the dragon of chaos, as we know from reading other
MRS of Mythology, that the main
consort of the dragon of chaos generally,
presents either logos or culture, so we're gonna make it
these opposition in this particular case that
the husband of chaos is order or culture
Ok and then the Mesopotamia, don't say much about that. That that doesn't
The development of the idea of Abu or order or culture doesnt doesn't take new force until the ancient Egyptians we'll talk about them today to okay. So
time out naps who are locked into a kind of sexual embrace according to the mesopotamian creation it. And what does that mean?
the kind of means two things that means that there
not really distinguishable because their locked into this embrace, and it also means that their up to something creative, because the active sir
Congress in mythology is most usefully is more
Frequently utilised as representation of something creative or
representation of the probability of some new form coming to be right here right, so
so in time out our law.
Into this embrace in a state that other
creation miss describe as egg like the pre cosmogonic egg.
There are intermingling, gives rise to the initial stage of being according to the Sumerians at the initial state of being
owing to the Sumerians is characterized by the dominion of the elder gods. These gods, being
none too bright make
tremendous amount of racked doing things.
What does that mean exactly well.
It means something like this: they make a lot of rock,
may cause a lot of trouble. They make a lot of wind and all of the rock
trouble and wind and activity rouses time out. What does that mean? While it means, if you do things to get in trouble
It means even if you're, trying to solve problems you get into trouble because the solution,
problem Chin tends to generate whole bunch of new problems right, it's like the hydra
so what it means is that it's more or less faded that end
form of activity whatsoever is likely to produce the threat of catastrophe
And, of course, were absolutely keenly aware of that in the modern world, because we're powers
asked, by this sense that all of our four
all of our frenetic motivated activity.
Producing alterations in the world order, such that name.
You're itself is going to be destroyed and eliminate us
and
course we're absolutely keenly aware of that in the modern world, because we're pause.
Asked by this sense that all of our frenetic,
activity Oliver frenetic motivated activity is produced,
alterations in the world. Order such that name
Europe's self is going to be destroyed and eliminate us right,
classic Sumerian fear nothing's changed in the last five thousand years. The scenario
I presume that once the owl
gods were constructed and started moving around on the planet, that their activity.
Their mindless activity, because remember these aren't well integrated motivational forces. There.
Primordial beasts right there,
On integrated activity risks plant
Everything back and tell us well tiny amounts. The representative of chaos is generative chaos, but so what is this a Marian say? Well, the other gods
cause a lot of rocket. They move around the planet and they
So time out,
decides that enough is enough and she's gonna
them out.
So she sitting at the bottom of the ocean.
Fuming away as the
their gods go about their business and then they take one step,
too many and they kill absolute, whose her husband now the summit,
in creation with doesn't say much about this, but we know that Abu is the male corn sort of care.
That makes them order. So
happens is the elder gods destroy order itself, they destroy culture itself and, as soon as you destroy cultural hell breaks loose and that's exactly what happens in this Ameri creation is so tight
that emerges skin away
everything out and
the world will revert back to its primordial nonexistent state. Now
the guy undergoes get wind of this and, of course, they're just terrified, because they know that this thing that gave rise to them, whatever it is the matrix of being
easily wipe them out in a moment's notice. And so, despite the fact that there are two
his personal, an immortal and characterized by a certain amount of power. In the face of absolute chaos, there are insufficient
Now this occurrences,
Extending over a protracted period of time
The elder gods are threatened there, also breeding and mating, and producing new forms
produce a great great grandson, whose name
Margaret. No more
It has a lot of very interesting attributes. The attributes are described,
new militia in the following manner. So this is what Marduk Father sees when his wife Damkina gives birth to Marduk, so when he, whose
Ex father saw his son. He rejoiced. He beamed his heart was filled with joy. He distinct
watched him and conferred upon
in double equality with the gods, okay, so that's the first indication that whatever Marduk represents, is something
its elevated beyond the normal status of a primordial deity
so that he was highly exalted and surpassed them in everything
fully arranged beyond comprehension, were his members not fit for human
understanding hard to look upon forward his eyes for where his ears, when his lips move,
our blazed. Fourth, each of his four.
There's grew large.
While his eyes to see everything
he was exultant among gods. Surpassing was, as for his member
we're gigantic? He was
passing in Height Mary,
you to marry you to one of his names.
Son of the sun, God, the sun, God of the gods. Ok, complex bit of poetry, says a bunch of things. It says,
well whatever Marduk years, is the offspring of the gods. What
Marcus is characterized by heightened awareness right because he has for years and for eyes and their large
whatever Marduk is character
by his status that surpasses that of his father's, whatever he's
characterized by
is associated with the power of speech real power, because when he speaks fire spurts forth
work is also huge. But more
he's associated in this particular problem with the sun. Why is that
will the sun dominates consciousness right because we're conscious during the day most
our brain, is visual cortex sore visual creatures so
when the sun rises is win, the day begin, so Marduk is also associated with whatever daddy dominates the day, and that's the deity of conscious
And there's more to the story of the sun right, because the sun is also something that rises and sets repeatedly. And that means that the
that dominates consciousness is characterized by a cyclical nature. That's a sun myth
rises in the morning renewed as a consequence of fighting it.
Battle in the night, with the enemy,
of everything that's associated with consciousness, a cloud
solar, math,.
So
Abu in time out give rise to the world of the gods, the active
of the world of God's reawake
time out. She decides to destroy everything, but at that moment the gods give birth to Marduk
That's a typical motif, which is that the heroes always born at the time of maximum crisis.
The reason for that is in part, it simple look
if your culture is dealing well with the forces of the unknown
So that everything is static, static, but productive,
oh that problems themselves, don't arise, there's no reason for the hero right, there's no reason to confront the unknown. It's only.
Crisis beckons that the birth of the Euro is necessary? Marduk constitutes the birth of the hero and these
look in a weren't in real trouble. Unless someone goes out there and confronts time
straight on she's, going to wipe everything out its
dangerous and terrifying job, but somebody has to do it and Marduk says There- are lots, no problem, but I got a few rules here, and this is the first rule, I'm in charge
from here on forward. What's that mean exactly well
These archaic stories are policy must, in our policy, make in north or opera,
Terminology, what that means is that they can be met red validly at multiple levels of analysis simultaneously, and so one thing, it means is that if you take the two,
old child who
essentially under the dominion of assorted, primordial gods and goddesses right, aggression, fear, panic and, according to Freud, a certain degree of sexual aggression.
The child moves from domination from motivate
state to domination for motivated state and it isn't until the age of three and four when, under the pressure applied
by the social world and
the consequence of the maturation of the prefrontal cortex, which matures throughout
childhood and adolescents and doesn't rage its final form until perhaps into the early twenties. All of us.
Fundamental motivational forces start taking on a stool
relationship to one another, which is to say that.
Once you're as your personality becomes integrated
a single motive force forward,
how to bring all of these underlying motivational systems into some sort of harmonious arrangement. Ok, so, let's
see what the Sumerians are doing here? Ok, first of all, there they're doing psychology there.
To figure out given.
The dominion of the elder gods, the indisputable dominion of the elder gods instincts
who should rule right
what should be in charge? How do you
struck the hierarchy of values and then more complex Lee
When you integrate a state, which is what the Mesopotamian stand right, the first
civilization. What does that mean? The first time, hundreds of Troy,
we're hammered into some sort of stable, hierarchical order. How do you remember
in that order
so
Marty gets his act together.
The gods, all meat in a huge chamber? They elect him king? Then they prepare for battle.
When the gods, the fathers
the power of his word. They were glad and in harmony, saying, Marty
his king. They bestow
the point in the sector, a throne in a royal robe, they gave him an irresistible weapon, smiling the enemy, saying, go and cut off the life of time out
may the winds carry her blood out of the way places after the gods is for
there's, had determined the destiny of Marduk. They set him on the road the way to success in attainment. So then he goes to the heart of darkness, so to speak, and confronts time out cases of treachery
and challenges are to battle. When time had heard this, she became like one in a frenzy and lost her reason. She cried
out loud and seriously to the very roots.
Her to leg shook back and forth. She recited
entail repeatedly casting her spell. As for the gods of battle
they sharpened their weapons time out and Marduk the wisest of the gods advanced against one another
rest on the single combat and approached for battle. Ok, we'll things don't go out so well with time out from this point, for the first thing that Marduk does is encapsulated in the net and I think that's a really
trusting metaphor, because that's essentially what human beings do when they encounter the unknown right there in cash.
Waited in an explanatory network. So it's away
binding up the
a normally or the unknown
giving it a substantial form. Then he cuts are into pieces.
Then he makes the world out of her pieces. In fact, one
Marks names is.
Who makes ingenious things as a consequence of the combat with time. That's
very interesting, because what it means is that this
Europeans are presenting in metaphorical form the notion that, when that
what's down the survival of being- depends
the capacity of whatever Marduk represents the solar God to encounter
the matrix of being the cut?
to pieces and to make the world and if you think about it
Those terms is a very, very straightforward story right, it's basically the story of human beings, fundamentally the story of human beings, because we, in the words of a famous evolutionary psychologist, whose name completely escapes me we argue
are the cognitive naturally, our motive being is creativity in full in the face of the unknown and when chaos threatens the established mode of being
Its necessary for us to put our creativity into action and to carve out
terrier territory as a consequence of encounter with the unknown. Why? Well? Because we can take the world apart,
with our hands and put it together in new ways, and then we can scold what
done verbally and we can transmit it too
the person and then they can do the same thing and we're all doing this all the time and rural telling each other. How we're doing it and that's how
The embodiment of logos in the human being, which is precisely equivalent to the sumerian notion of Marduk hats, precisely how it is that we are constantly.
Couple of redeeming world
That's why you make resolutions at New year's, because the new year is supposed to be born at the new year? Ok, so what the Mesopotamians do with the new year they take their king
and they bring up outside the city. Now you have to
stand that out
The city is chaos,
because these are city states
when you go outside the
dominion of the human you're in chaos, and then the priest
makes the emperor Neil.
And takes all his marks of status off him, so he's reduced to his assets. Fundamentally, the Iraq,
of his social persona.
And then he slapped some with a glove and humility
some and the king is reform forced to recount his sins
everything you did in the last year that wasn't up to Marduk Standard so to speak, and you can see
useful thing to have somebody who's in power do on a regular basis right, because it reminds us that there are in fact, subject to Trans personal structure, whose nature
precisely evident, but is none the less there, which is the case act like Marduk or
How will break loose and demolish your kingdom, which is, of course, is true now, as it was then saw
emperor gets humiliated. He asked to recount his sins, then he's locked up. Then he
Re enact the battle with Tire Matt and when he emerges victorious, he's locked up with a ritual prostitute, a higher do and they mate
Why, whether higher do or the ritual prostitute represents Tire Matt
why the hell would that be because time ass, a dragon right, a horrible man eating dragon that lives at the bottom of the ocean, which is to say that in any income,
with the unknown as difficult trauma.
And violent as that might be. There is also the
stability for something create
to emerge as a consequence right because its
the unknown that we, my new information, so in so far as them, mesopotamian Emperor acted out the role of Marduk than he was a good example.
Then he deserved the sovereignty and literally as well as figuratively, in so far
didn't play that role than the society was going to remain, not only stable but constantly updated. Because he's engaged in this constant, creative,
contact with the unknown
aided and abetted by his attack
to remember his own inadequacies and weaknesses and to do something about them. Ok, so that's a pretty interesting
It gets even more interesting when you start to understand that the judeo christian creation myth is similar,
added to these sumerian creation, myth by the union of the notions of chaos and Tire Matt,
So the logos and judeo Christian thinking the word of God
uses order out of chaos is also essentially equivalent, at least metaphorically speaking, to whatever Marduk represents in the sumerian creation myth, and we
oh, that our relationship with the new militias obscured by time, but our relationship with the stories that lay out the fundamental substructure western
she is not so ameliorated, even though we may not believe them explicitly anymore. They still set at the basis of our society
one of the things that people are very
Confused by in the modern world, is what our tat people meant by gods, and that's because
whatever the deities were that had the motive force that our case, people attributed to the gods seem to have disappeared in modern culture. Now the union
I bought. This is that's because they turn into psychological traits. Fundamentally,
motivational forces, so what the? What
Eric societies would describe as gods, we would describe as motivational forces. So, for example, Venus is a goddess. The goddess of love and we would associate her power with love,
sex fundamentally and the reason the thoughts and reason
association from the archaic standpoint is because the motive quality that make
what Venus represents is Trans personally,
means is not limited to one person and its.
Immortal in that the motive force that characterizes sex
affiliation exists whether or not a single individual exists. So it's Trans personal has the force of a personality, because if you fall in love
you're motivated by a certain set of standards and perspectives right, if your grip by beauty say or if your grip by lost that
imposes a particular view of the world on you and impels your action, sometimes despite your will, and so that would
equivalent from the archaic perspective to possession and is clearly the case that our care
societies who are engaged in warfare, for example, would conduct rich
was to ensure that the warriors that made up their societies worrying fact possessed by the correct God so might be Mars. For example, there
got a war so that, on the other,
the field they exhibited the proper characteristics of somebody who was in a battle right rage. You can think rage, soul, possession by the God of war, would be equivalent to this possession by state of rage,
It's not quite that simple. It isn't only that our care people external
eyes motive forces and gave them the status of daddy's. What they did was more complex than that, and I think
You can understand that a little bit better, if you start to, if you start to give some thought to the
Modern behavioral notion of the stimulus stimulus is.
Very, very weird concept, because the behalf
here is the word interested in taking apart what was inside the brain would tribute motive force to the stimulus right. They say if you presented animal with this,
give us? He will therefore act, and that meant that the behaviors we're making the priest
position that the motive Power
resided in some manner in the stimulus? Why why? Why would they think like that, while its and our can't load of thought in a sense, you can imagine a child,
one of my friends today
made me really angry right, which means that the child is essentially conflicting. His
her own internal emotional state with approximate stimulus
rise to that state- and you see complex associations like that taking place with regards to the apprehension of beauty, say because beauty is a very, very complex and difficult
Eliza phenomena if you're very attractive to some one. Are you attracted by them
in a sense of course, you are because there they are, but in another sense you're not at all, because what's happening is that
engaged as much in the interaction as anything, that's motivating you from the outside world, and I think that partly accounts for your sense of foolishness, especially if the person that you're attracted to doesn't return your attraction. I mean you know that from your perceptual,
perspective, you're attracted dominated by the object, but by the same token, you know entirely that easy as it is to presume
them and their faults, I pretty much it all has to do with you, so
in the modern world, where we ve been able to separate out the object and
the force of the object the day
have sort of moved inside of us and become psychological forces, but you can understand if you think about it in this manner. The things worked so clear prior to the dawn of the empirical age.
That gives you a little bit of background with regard to what the notion of
He meant to archaic care
still utilise those notions as export explanatory terms. Ok, so we know that if you are caught up in one of these little work,
games that you may be motivated by something very, very fundamental right, a tendency that transcends you. The tendency to propagate yourself say: Freud's fundamental motivational level sexual affair,
nation or the tendency to maintain yourself. Those you could say are the funding
the gods of existence, the fundamental driving.
Horses and it's there. It's the interaction of those two forces over great periods of time that produce the great diver
of life and in human life that we see before us and each of those
fundamental, most fundamental of gods have their differ.
Created many and so to speak, so that well engaged in the matter goal of so
preservation, you act out plots of hunger and plots of thirst and you move from cold to hotter from hot to call, depending on your particular on your particular on the particular temperature of your surroundings or with regard to self propagation, your truck
people are repelled by them for reasons that are frequently absolutely beyond our comprehension by the way, so I just found out this week, and this is absolutely staggering. I think that if you
if you run an experiment when a group of women and you track their menstrual cycle, and then you give them t shirts
Men have worn to smell
Women who are obvious aiding like the smell of symmetrical men better than a symmetrical men so and that's partly because symmetrical men are probably more healthy, but
it is a good example of how the more
forces that
figure. Your world are dependent on institutional forces that are not only beyond your consciousness, but there beyond
even at the moment,
any of our explicit explanations.
So another finding it.
Very similar that I came across recently turns out that mice will not meet with mice that have our age blood factors that are likely to produce unfit
offspring the more closely genetically related, the our age factors, the more likely there is to be a catastrophe with regards to offspring and the mind
seem to detect the orange factor by smell. So recently this is run by with women, and it is also the case that women prefer man whose
Each factors are at an optimal distance from them in terms of smell,
So this is some example of how these unbelievably archaic systems, because, like the olfactory systems, are unbelievably archaic produce all,
nations in world view at a loss
that's mass
Thirdly, below consciousness, so underneath here,
Cortical shell, which is tonic
inhibiting all your emotional and motivational systems lies all these motivational emotional systems and they have branches. They grow up into the
cortex, and they have the capacity to control your behavior, complete
the involuntarily so, for example, if you're gripped by fear, if your grip by fears very, very difficult to overcome that
internally and at least initially you won't be able to which is too
that when the chips are down, the underlying motivational and emotional systems have control,
So then what happens from that perspective? Then what happens when you encounter something? You don't understand and I think the best way to explain it is something
like generalised Disan ambition, which is that all your underlying motivational, an emotional systems, are more or less. This inhibited simultaneous
and the reason for that is because you want to be maximally prepared to do what
The hell is necessary to do when you, somewhere, that you don't understand and because
What that thing is going to be all uses
go on and win psychologist talk about stress, which is an abyss.
Word right. It means everything and nothing. When psychologist talk about stress,
what they mean is generalised,
this innovation of emotion and motivation. Then you come to the case of ancient Egypt. What do you think they'll yadda points out, which I think is really interesting? I mean
Billy phenomenal. The story I'm gonna tell you right now was
essentially revealed in egyptian culture at the dawn of the culture rather than developing over the course of the culture. So the Egyptians had a revelation right immediately that the most fundamental of God was the one who created as a consequence of his tongue in his speech very much akin to the Sioux Marian idea with regards to Marduk and also to later today,
tonight is so here's the story is for players in this tram. Ok, there's a serious his wife, ISIS Horace, their son and south and south is serious as evil brother, ok, now or serious was a remarkable guy. He was the founder of the egyptian state from the mythological perspective, so kind like Romulus Remus for Rome, a myth or like George Washington, for the? U S right a myth, all a giant figure who represented all of the faroes and people for that matter:
so constructed the egyptian state or serious father of Egypt, so to speak, but our services kind, old and little archaic and maybe a little bit see now and even
simply a little bit naive in that you know,
no matter how great you were in your youth as time goes on, you lose contact with environmental transformations and they all rules that,
live by are not necessarily applicable to the present and some of those things that you ignore become paramount. Having poor in imports,
and it turns out that no serious hasn't he
brother, south and south eventually turns into Satan, has mythology develops through the centuries and south is a nasty guy right. I mean
What he wants, more than anything, is undeserved dominion over the egyptian state,
Now, Sarah, because he's not paying attention and because he isn't sufficiently cognizant any more of them
our of evil, more or less ignores is evil brother who, in turn chops him into pieces.
And then distributes is pieces all over the egyptian state. Now you might say why didn't you just come up right, I mean you think chopping up would kill him, but he's gone. You can't just kill him. The reason
psychology- and you see this in movies as well, where the villain never quite dies or the hero never quite dies is because, even if you eliminate individual embodiment of what those figures represent, new embodiments manifest themselves virtually immediately. So one of the things
These quite clear about is that you never win a final battle with evil. It's it's a permanent property of the world, so
always serve hacks apple, serious, spreads, em all over the land or seriously.
Up living. A kind of shadowy, nebulous ghost, like existence down in the underworld and South becomes the ruler of the state, a nasty story,
but Sir, as has ISIS as a wife, now ISIS had a huge cult. She was a powerful goddess
goddess of the underworld, a kind of combination of
alien Diana, so to speak, capable of tremendous destructive power, but
so the source of all good things, something very much like time. At now, ISIS got wind of her husbands, disintegration,
speak and she went searching round Egypt till she found his fellows and with it she makes herself pregnant ok. So what does that mean
exactly, I mean something like this: the collapse of any great order brings with it new potential and- and I think this is something that capitalism has way over forms of gum.
Like communism. Capitalism has mechanisms in place to allow large
structures that are no longer meeting their function to collapse, but frequently when they collapse, it's not like they disintegrate into dust right, they disintegrate into some component, so to speak, many of which then come to terms with the fact that the order has collapsed and build something new. So you can't get rid of culture so easily. You can hack it up in debates. You could disembodied so to speak. You can spread all over the state. You can introduce chaos into it, but that's that's something that has the potential of new birth, like the phoenix rising from the ashes, so anyways ISIS who's the matrix, whose tire that gets
oh Cyrus's fell us, which is the container of the germ of culture right, the phenomena, that's capable of the seminal idea and she makes yourself pregnant and she gives birth to Horace who's. The long lost son of the rightful king right, a very typical, mythological motif. Ok,
so Horace is alienated from the kingdom, which is another very common, mythological motif. You know like how King Arthur, for example, is raised by commoners. This same story, pops up in in in the story of Christ, for example, because Christ has heavenly parents, but
He also has his kind of ordinary parents, and it's a very common motif anyway
Horace grows out outside of the classical structure of the egyptian state, which is tilted terribly towards evil, because Cephas dominated because those serious was to blind to his evil, brought it to take up.
Defence of access and he grows to maturity, and then he decides like all rightful sons of the long lost king to reclaim.
And so it goes back to Egypt right and he has this vicious battle with south and in the process.
South tears out one of his eyes or find what women that's an indication of just exactly how devastating a battle with the forces of evil so to speak precisely, are they represent a critical threat to the integrity of consciousness? Right, that's why he loses, and I well luckily enough. Horace has got its act together and he does defeats ass any banishes and it gets the I back and then you think, ok, great pot, the I back in become emperor everything's, fine
Now, let's backtrack a little bit and think about this politically now the Egyptians had this really weird idea: they had the idea that the living Pharaoh
the living Pharaoh and the dead Pharaoh at the same time that it makes no sense ration, but it makes a lot of sense from a narrative perspective, because what they were saying is something like this lock. You gotta think that when you become
Tang or when you become present, that, when you take on a roll of that absolute magnitude that then you're partly you but you're, also partly this role and there's really no way out of that right and the rule is
composed of the unbelievable weight of the cultural tradition that your representing and you can say what that's true for being king for being present. But it's also true, if you become a doctor, a lawyer, any sort of specialised occupation, its part
You because you're embodying the raw, but as part of the role too so the faroes, the lie Pharaoh in the dead Pharaoh, because the dead Pharaoh represents culture right. King is dead, long live the
Ok, but paralleling not idea was the idea that the Faro was not only the dead several but an ally Pharaoh at the same time, but that he was
serious and horror at the same time, but then you think
the story Horace has taken over Sir he's got back, he can became, but he isn't Kenya, and this is where the Egyptians really get their act together and- and I think of the two stories that I'm telling you this is the one that has the most significant, I think for modern people, because we're so likely to sidestep our obligations.
Our culture, whatever that happens to be so instead of popping this I back in his head, which is the first thing you think he does. He decides he's gonna go
the underworld where all services living in this ghost like and dead manner, since he's been chopped up, myself
So it goes down into the underworld which has no piece of cake, and he finds us
or is there in this kind of half dead state, and it gives them as I am, that enlightens or serious right it gives in this
and so then it takes all serious back to Egypt arm in arm, so to speak,
and it's the conjunction of all serious and horrid horace that constitutes the basis for Egypt and sovereignty, and that is bloody, brilliant right, because the Egyptians figured out that some horses top is Marduk, for all intents and purposes
that's right he's this avenging hero in the egyptian story. He fights political corruption rather than chaos, but you can understand that those are to flip sides of the hero archetype. If they are, they here, archetype has two basic elements. One is the confrontation of
the terrible aspect of nature? Chaos in its most brutal form and the other is the confrontation with the archaic aspect of culture
In some ways those aren't distinguishable, because if culture isn't archaic, chaos never makes itself present so, which is to say you can't separate out political degradation from environmental degradation say it's the same idea
so anyways Horace as this great idea needs, is father right, and I told you about the same motive emerging in Pinocchio. We already locked it that I Pinocchio doesn't become genuine until he risked his life. Saving is father all right, so the same thing is happening in this particular situation. So it's pretty cool. So then, you get this situation where the Egyptians cared
rise sovereignty as the capability to overcome evil in the political domain.
Combined with, and that's a youthful capability right, come,
with the wisdom of the past are right. Then you look at that from a political perspective and you find out already the Egyptians.
Viewed the Faro as the life there on the dead Pharaoh simultaneously, but then you find out something else, that's interesting and gives you so really real insight into just exactly how bloody powerful these ideas were. So you think what did the Egyptians do with their spare time and then you think well, they built the pyramids right I mean, and that was no trivial undertaking. It was sort of the
five thousand BC equivalent of flying to Mars, and I mean the pyramids operating in prayer.
Now, but they were a hell of a lot more impressive in their original form because they were in the middle.
An immense complex and the pyramids were dedicated to the immortality of the Faro and the Faro was possessed by a spirit called car and car was his
his immortal spirit, and it was the union of horizontal, serious, okay, so Egyptians
he was dedicated to day of fine the immortal spirit of the fair.
The union of horizontal, serious and
It was this union that gave it was this identification with this union that gave the Faro phenomena the Egyptians called Matt and Map was like truth or good order, and you can think about it as conscience in a sense as if the
narrow was was utilizing the union of horizontal or a more serious than he would have an intuitive ability to decide what the appropriate course of order. What and so the Egyptians would say, for example, in the fair
into the court and say the sun has risen by that. They meant that the power that reigned over the
in the night had arrived. They conceptualize now has the capacity to put order in the place of chaos, essentially for
Really so they assimilated the union of horizontal serious with the capability of pudding order in the face of chaos, they regarded
It is a mortal and they spent all of the excess resources of
society glorifying that idea- and you think you know- produce something like the parent-
without really being possessed by an idea right? This is no trivial undertaking its it's going over a period of several
if not several thousand years, it takes an awful lot of work.
So this idea of the immortality of the union of horizontal, serious and its association with sovereignty,
absolutely potent idea for the Egyptians it gave their whole culture motive force. Ok, so the Egyptians thought
Furthermore, it all and that's the reason why and we more or less partake in
the mortality by being his subjects, that was a pretty good deal.
Then, nearly out of points out something very interesting, and this is called the democratization of all serious and when you found
that initially there were certain symbolic representations representing the immortality of the soul.
That can only be used by the Faro, but as egyptian culture continued to develop, then the same
like representations of immortality, started to be adopted by the aristocracy. And what about me? It meant that this this process that the Egyptians had conceptualize as integral to the
order of the state was no longer solely embodied in the hands of the Faro right. It had started to drift down
power hierarchy into the aristocracy. Ok. Well then, you think what
after that. So by the end of egyptian society, the aristocrats were characterised by an identity
the union of Horizontal Sera strike sovereignty. It started to spread itself up and you think what starts to happen with the Greeks right. The Greeks contributes.
Sovereignty to every mail, greek barbarians, no women. No, but at least all males right, you get a beginning of a democratic notion there, the Jews, developing ideas.
That is not derive from egypt- were at least similar in structure to egyptian ideas. Say not the aristocracy, not
farewell, but every individual has the capacity of establishing a direct relationship with the form of the deity right. Then you have a christian revolution,
follows that, where the idea that sovereignty and
there is in the individual is distributed to everyone right, everyone, male female!
criminal law and criminal murder. Rape as tax man, you name it sovereignty and hears within the minutes, are not soil that our whole democratic culture emerges. These unbelievably archaic ideas, first acted out right.
First embodied in ritual first dramatized, then only told, is stories device,
being more, more coherence over over stretches of time of
thousands of years not hundreds of years but thousands of years becoming more more coherent becoming more
It'd becoming more relevant with regards to their embodiment, then starting to become understood explicitly distributed through the entire society and its on that ground that our world rests not on the ground of rationality, as established in Say Europe in fifteen hundred. What we have is much more
profound and solid indeed than any mere rational construction. It's it's a form of government and the collaborative state so to speak.
As a consequence of an emergent. If not
missionary at least social evolutionary process, and I would say that it stems much farther back than that, because you can imagine something like this look if this ideal personnel
that should be sovereign is represented by the optimal combination of creativity and traditional ism, say if that's the optimal combination and if were prepared to regard that is optimal. If, if that's what you perceive when you perceive someone that you respect,
admire. Then. You could say that success in our social hierarchies is predicated on the degree to which
You actually embody that combination, and then you see an interaction between individual success and this social construction. That would be an interaction that extends over centuries or even thousands of centuries, so that, as these ideas become more and more developed, we become more and more adapted to embodying them as a consequence of evolutionary pressure. So it's not just cultural, it's also biological. So our political presuppositions risk
on a cultural basis which is unbelievably archaic, resting in turn on something even lower than that, and I think examples of that are are those that I
Why did you with already? We know, for example, that chimps who have to live in a dominant market very aggressive, especially the males, but there also very cooperative, so the males who are aggressive spend a substantial amount of time. Repairing social boundaries in the aftermath of the aggressive insulin
because they're just as concerned with keeping the bloody hierarchy intact as they are in climbing it they have to be, and we
that even wolves won't kill a subordinate wolf once theyve defeated it may allow the subordinate wolf to maintain its own existence right. They have this notion, this procedural notion that even those entities that appear insignificant may in some manner that beyond speeds
contribute till the integrity of the hall and that's an idea. That's very much similar to our notion that sovereignty in here is in the individual right. We ve taken further, no matter what you do,
if you're, in clear violation of the law, your rights remain intact?
there's, no matter how old cast you are and how apparently beyond redemption. Your existence may still contribute something to the integrity of the hall and as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't appear to be a metaphorical idea. If you dismiss it, you cannot dismiss it without simultaneously dismissing the ground on which our states rest, and so then you have to ask yourself: are you willing to do that? And if the answer is now well, then you have to start. You have to start to question what it is that you actually believe
because if you buy the doctrine of natural rights which you do you acted out, then all of this follows in its wake or it rests on sand and bloody. Well, better, not rest on sand
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