Welcome to season two episode. Thirty, six of the Jordan Be Petersen Part ass. I'm Mikhail Petersen, dad's dotterine collaborator today episode is a twelve rules for life lecture recorded in Vancouver on December. Fifth, twenty eighteen of named it value is bound by limitation. Oh family updates this week. I hope every Thanksgiving goes splendidly I'm about to embark on an eleven day fast Been listening to this podcast for a while you'll know, I did a seven day fast in September, easier than I thought it would be, but also rather intense terms, dad is done at ten day fast about ten years ago, which I have no recollection of because of the hordes of medication. I was on and the auto immune, but brother remember said she on eleven days for me this time, because apparently everything is a contest in but podcast I'll keep people posted about the fast on Youtube too, about Mikhail Peterson.

Value is bound by limitation. Jordan, be Pearson twelve rules for life lecture. Well, thank you very much, sir. It's It's really nice to be back in Vancouver, I think spoken here more than in any other city I don't know what it is. You still have anybody to listen to her so, but we ve- I think I done five talks here in the last two years- something like that one of them with SAM Harris, which was, I think in July, so anyways, so it's lovely to be back always enjoy it. I've lot of family here too, which is quite nice out on Vancouver, island and indian cooler in there nine of them were here tonight. So that's really nice fan old friend. Here too, I think from Fairview Name, Dale Bill S, and I don't know where he is their deal.

Come see me backstage man right right, don't see people from fair view that often you, so all right. So I thought what I do tonight. I use these lectures as an opportunity to think on my feet and to trial what I'm thinking about you know when to into communicate it. So I can see if it's working, because if good thoughts are well formulated, then Well then, hopefully, their somewhat engrossing and poor people in, and so I thought what I do tonight is. I just review the rules in twelve rules, full set of rules and and in talking about them. So much now and also new ideas is welcome. I have another book most sketched out now it's cool, it's going to be called beyond mere order. Another twelve rules for life

while I fear, figure white, when you're ahead. You know I mean and I d driven. I derive the regional twelve rules from a longer list of forty two anyways, and so so so I've been working on an, but I thought I would take tonight take the opportunity to night too. Back on everything? That's happened over the last year or the lectures that I've done into see if I can see her away and on the essential elements of the of twelve rules and and the body of thought that I've been developing to two to pull down to its essential elements and to understand a little bit more clearly what's the nature of the dialogue that we are engaged in, that its also seems to be attracting an audience all around the world, which is kind of an incomprehensible thing. In some sense, you know I don't exactly

I can't really rap my head around it. I know I got up this career publish your name maven and they ve contacted me. Two weeks ago I made little video for my cream readers. It's been translated into Korean and that's been, I hope, that's been subtitled by now, but they said they sold. I think they sold. A hundred thousand copies in Korea in like three weeks just and their pop printing, another hundred thousand four january- and you know I mean it's quite different culture. Right would necessarily expect the ideas of the book to translate across those cultural barriers, but it seems to be- and I was just in Europe, with my wife and and and with Dave. We we hit about twenty different cities, throughout the UK, mostly up in Scandinavia, where there was quite a bit of scandal for reasons that I might go into a little bit tonight and again, there seems to be a very there's. A hunger

there thirst, thirsty demand of some sort for something. What I'm talking about and mean doesn't the prize me in one sense, because one of the things that I've done with my lectures and also with twelve rules for life is still, what I regard as about a hundred and fifty years of political wisdom and and solid research. Psychology into into the lectures in the book and you'd hope you two whole if you are the least bit optimistic about clinical practice and about science, that one of the consequent five hundred and fifty years of continuous effort on the part of you know a number of very great people and then a whole slew of researchers would be the provision of information. That would actually be helpful in useful. You know, and to a lie. That, with with with the discussion of of I would say, relevant and and and and relevant points,

philosophical ideas and maybe also theological ideas to make all that practical makes some sense, that that would be useful to people, but it still quite shocking the degree to which people find it and so I ve been reflect on that little bit tonight. If I can get it little be clear about why that might be the first thing. I'm going to do is just go through the rules and then I'm going to talk about each of them and perhaps I'll get to all twelve of them. All the way seem to barely manage that in the course of a lecture, but I'm going to see if I can do it tonight, cuz that would be a nice way to close off the year. It is Dave said this is the last lecture in this long to our series Tammy, my wife and I are going to be going to Australia in February and maybe to Singapore in Hong Kong and soul as well. Although those dates haven't been announced yet. But this is it for

long stretches of travelling, and so it's a good night good night to reflect. So the first rule is to stand up straight with your shoulders back and the second rule I to treat yourself like you're someone responsible for helping the third rule is allied with that, I would say- and I tried to weave the rules together in the book so that each of them supported the other, you know so that they weren't a collection of twelve independent essays but but interrelated. So you know every every chapter supported every other chapters and built on them. There's an under picture as well a conceptual and restructure that was based in the first book that I wrote called maps of meaning and, and I hope to continue that is well within with the next book that I'm writing the third railways conceptually related to the second quite tightly, and that is to make friends with the people who want the best for you

and then the fourth rule, which is what would you say it it, it's a rule that off some protection against resentment. I would say, while also allowing you still to posit ideal and to pursue a goal, and that is to compare yourself too who you were yesterday and not to whose someone else is today and the fifth which is the one that I thought I would get in the most trouble for actually is what let your children do? Anything that make you that makes you just like them. I thought for sure that I was going to get in trouble for that, because you know you're not supposed to admit publicly that children can be its likeable, even though everyone absolutely knows that that's true and has no one that ever since they were children and had people they didn't like so and then the other taboo is, of course, that to admit ever that parents could just like their own children So I mean people know that in an experience that very frequently some

all the time, and but taboo to make that conscious in some sense and which is a very soon thing, because of course it is part and parcel of clinical lore in some sense, that one of the problems that people have the cause psychological difficulties. This problem

with their family members of, even though those are the people hypothetically, that you love and also hypothetically, that you like, and also hypothetically, that are good for you. It's also a set of relationships that can be absolutely rife with trouble, and it's very useful to know that forthrightly into admit to it, so that you can deal with it properly and that its painful, because you have to think about it. But that's it's not as painful, is having to act out the consequences of not thinking about it, which is, of course, why we think, at least in principle, when we do which we rarely do rule six. I think it's it's the darkest chapter in the book and I think in some sense it's it's the core of the dark element of of of twelve rules for life and that to put your house imperfect order before you criticise the world and its a discussion of people who ve done terrible things committed terrible crimes.

What their motivations might be and how you could avoid drifting in that direction, because it's a direction that has its temptations, which is why people drift in that direction. Rule seven is to do what's meaningful and not what is expedient and that's a that's a low thing to know and its allied tightly with rule eight, go together because you can't really do one without the other related to tell them or at least don't lie in one of the things that I think I've figured out. Is that you're going to follow the insight for meaning, and I truly believe that there is an instinct for meaning and not only there is an instinct for meaning, but that it's the most real thing is that there is and that its send an airing guide, but it only works. If you don't corrupt the structure,

you're psyche or your soul? That's another way of thinking about it more archaic sense. You can't trust your instincts, if you, if you, if you corrupt the structure of the of your perceptions and your and your thoughts, how can you rely on yourself it? If, if, if you, if you, if you made the structure that you need to rely on dysfunctional because you, you you valid noise and nonsense to it, and so, if you're going to follow the end, think for meaning that its very important to tell the truth, or at least not to lie which is easier than tat the truth, because you know what do we know about the truth not off with our biases and are an hour the boy ignorance. But we can at least DR, not to say and do things that we know to be false, which is a good start and it's a safe, it's a safe stark, let's say so.

Compared to the alternative rule. Nine is too assume that the person that year listening to might know something you don't and that's that's a useful rule. I think it's one of the things I loved about clinical practice, because I've got to listen to people a lot. You know four hours a day for many many airs and one of the things I learned about People- was that there are unbearably interesting. If you listen to them, which is often why you don't, because you don't, we actually want to talk to someone who's unbearably interesting right, because, while the rotation becomes too strange. That's part of it or or two We in some sense, because, while people first of all are idiosyncratic peculiarly actually tell you what they're like and that's very interesting. But it's it's disconcerting, because it's kind of What would you call reassuring to think that people

mostly like you, and they are, you know, we're all human and we share we share, enough fundamental humanity, so that we can communicate, but the differences aren't trivial and of course, people take very. Different pathways in their lives and so listening to that, while you there's there's a desert real element of enjoyment in the same way that I enjoy novel in home because of your engrossed in a novel you're in inside sucks, someone else's in some sense and that's very interesting, but it can also be too much in one of the things Carl Roger said was that most of us can't listen, because we don't have the courage to put ourselves in someone Is it we can't? We don't have the courage to eat too. Enter someone else's perceptual frame and see the world might look like to them, because that poses real challenge to the way that we look at the world in the way that we look at the world

holds our world together. We'll talk about that little bit as we returned to the rules is the discussion. Press is so to listen to someone like they might know something. You don't it's frightening, but the thing is, if you don't know you can tell you dont, know enough. You can tell if don't know enough. If your life isn't everything, it should be right mean if it is everything that you wanted to be in every possible way? Then you know enough and you can sit there comfortably in and you don't need to expose yourself to anything new, but if there are still problems that you have it's always the there's, always the possibility that someone will have a little bit of a key little bit of a piece of the puzzle that they might build or to you as a consequence of their own experience, if you have a genuine conversation with them and just you know that that might that might provide you with that little peace that you need to make something quick together. That's a vital importance to you and

you have to filter out a tremendous amount of the conversation which you also have to do with your own thoughts. That mean they have to be filtered so that you can keep what's what's what's wheat and throw away what's chaff even if you have to throw a ninety five percent of it away. Well, walking away without additional five percent is something that's worth doing and so rule ten to be precise in your speech- and I like that one has its associated with. Idea of aim and that's an unbelievably Orton idea very, very fundamental idea because were aiming creatures. You know our perceptions are Org it around our aims. This is one of the most Gordon things you can possibly come to understand, I would say, is associated with that rule, ten most important, psychological facts that you can understand. This is something so colleges have really only worked out. I would say in the last three decades something like that is that we orient our perceptions around our moral aims

that's really something to its it. It's like there's an old buddhist idea, You know that the world is illusion, and and and that's true in a very complex way- it's not true in a simple way, but it's true in the complex way in that your perceptions, the way that you with the way the world manifests itself to you, and I'm not talking about your opinions are not talking about what you think. I'm talking about the fact that make themselves manifest to you the thing, but you see out there that appear to be self evident, are associated ear. Trees ably with your with your aims, with with what you're attempting to accomplish and that's that's, directly associated with your moral structure, and so you see the world through your moral structure, and that is really I tell you, man, you can meditate on that for about a decade it such a stag, while such a staggering realisation to understand. And the world its out for you through the law,

of your moral striving and that that technically true its needs, not hypothetically true, it's metaphysically trode its philosophic true, but it also turns out to be neurologically true, and it makes a certain amount of sense, because you know you you are, after all, not an information gathering creature, you not just someone who's, who is a machine that designed to reflect or understand the structure of the object world. That's not what a human being is a human being is someone who's striving in the world to to accomplish whatever it is? whatever it is. That needs to be accomplished stay alive and to end to propagate life. Right I mean you, ve got a t los you gotta orientation and an aim and a meaning and the fact that your perceptions would be tuned to help with that is somewhat of a truism in some sense right. How could it be? Otherwise it's not like your objective, right, you're, certainly interested in your own. Well, let's say

least in your own lack of pain. If, if nothing else- and so why, wouldn't your perception serve that your perception serve that and then your motivate small in line, and then your emotional structure follows that and soda your thoughts. All of that. The that's nested inside. What's this Surely a moral structure, and so what are the things that implies? is that the way the world manifests itself to you is directly a consequence of your morality, If you know that, then that's a good thing to know that terrifying, One of the things that you might also come to realize that, if you're overwhelmed with bitterness and resentment and and your life is a catastrophe in some ways- the terrible accidental things can happen to people on perfectly aware of that, but that there is some stability that all of that good evening. Surrounds you in Enshroud. You actually a consequence of errors in your moral reasoning, its high,

probable that that's the case. You know barring random catastrophe which which which which has to be take into account because I'd never say to anyone. Well, you know if your suffering, it's your fault, because people have block, and they can suffer for all sorts of reasons, but there is the possibility- there's some element of the misery that encompasses you when it does. That's a consequence. An error in the way that you're progressing through life, with regards to your dear to the aims that you're pursuing its highly herbal, not that's. Another reason why rule six is relevant to put your house imperfect order before you criticise the world and so rule, eleven rule Heaven is, don't their children when their escape boarding, you know and that's yeah Well, that's an antidote. I would say to some degree to this. This idea that that if you love someone you protect them and because I dont believe that I mean you protect me,

who are vulnerable and new, protect them in proportion. Into their vulnerability, but but no more than that ever you want to pull back your protection as fast as you possibly can, as as as cheap. And develop their autonomy. One of the things Psychoanalysts noon, and this is the Freudians in particular. Was that the good mother necessarily fails it sucks? wise phrase right because well and in its very problematic for for mothers and protect because of course, when you have a new born, the new born is completely debate. And one hundred percent correct right, because when it maybe whose under six month cries you don't blame baby. You know you don't say what what are you get? Your act together pick yourself up off the damn ground and stand up on your own two feet. You know if a crying baby is always right,

and so on, and so, but that's not the case for someone whose three, whose crying, for example, in all, because that that capacity for autonomy starts to develop and so You have to make that unbelievably difficult shift from full commitment to some thing, that's entirely dependent to pull back instantly, as the person becomes more and more autonomous and very difficult, our task to manage that, because it means that you have to expose yourself to the risk of its associate with the pain and anxiety that your child will necessarily encounter as they strive to become more but in the world, and you know, I think, that a mother whose tight bonded, with an infant, see more pain on behalf of their child. When the child is exploring and hurting him or herself during the exploration, then the chair- held him or herself feels, and so it takes real courage to just stand, I can say you know you go bump yourself.

Up against the world because you have to get strong and and and and competent, because that's what's going to protect you across the longest span of time and so well, that's why you don't bother children with their skateboarding, because it's obviously dangerous to order, and maybe it be If you could be wrapped in a bubble, rapid and in case styrofoam, while you're plummeting down the hill, but in the short term, that's perfectly right double, but as a medium to long term strategy to really bad one, and I I think we're paying quite a large price societal you see that reflected in the universities to a large degree for hyper, protecting our young people as they develop and I'd there's complex reasons for and then rule rule twelve is to pet account when you encounter

one on the street, and I also open that chapter with the discussion of dogs. Because you know, if you talk about cats, then dont people instantly instantly hate you, and so the mere fact that I mentioned cats meant that I had to put these two pages of content in raising dogs and what it was. Ok because we had a dog- and I actually liked them quite a bit- and he was my daughter's close friend- we seek. Oh, he died about two years ago and and so if you want to stop and petty dogged and that's also fine just thought I'd mention that so that dog lovers, wouldn't you know too negatively predisposed towards me, it's it's a bit of a meditation on the relationship between limitation and an existence and love, because one of the things that

came to realise. When I have children- and I would say also as my parents have aged- is that. No, the limitations that people have make their existence, bounded by pain in some sense. You know you see this with young children because of course, their fragile, and you see this with the less they get older and you know it also see your family members and you yourself for that better, have your peculiarities, in your idiosyncrasies and you know- maybe some of them are weaknesses, but there also in in perverse sense, also things that fine you you know as the unique person that you are not so easy to disentangle the limitations and the idiosyncrasies from those elements about the person that you actually love, because, while part of what makes you unique is what, you are but part of it is also what you're not

in a very important part of it is what you're not. And so one of the things that I considered when my kids were young was that you know that the fact that you love people and that you more for them and that and that you feel their pain even when they're alive and and and that you are also happy that there are around. Is it's your funding decision that life, despite its mutations is worthwhile that about it. That's what I think, love for someone else actually refers especially that's Amelia love. You know because its it's kind of arbitrary, whose in you, family, where you're born- and you make these connections with the people you're siblings parents, and your children and use them in their limitation in their idiosyncrasy and if they depart New morn and what that seems to indicators that, despite it all whatever that may Despite at all, it was a good thing, that they were and that's it.

Thing to know, because you know it's easy to become nihilistic about life into become hopeless, especially when things are going well, and you might say: well the value. Why should I continue, but that's it that's the part of you, that's thinking in it it has its purposes, but you know what, when you, reflect more profoundly on how it is that you react to the world the fact that you are capable of, now these profound relationships with the people that you love does seem to indicate in your soul of souls. Let's say you decide that there being was worth celebrating despite everything because otherwise, what why would you morn? Or why would you feel someone else's pain, if you, if you didn't, think that with something of value there and I do believe that vote who intrinsically bound up with the limitations that also make life tragic and and difficult that you can't separate them.

Maybe you can transcend them to some degree, but you can't separate them, and so it's you to know, maybe that when push comes to shove, that that the deepest part of you- he's in love with the fragility of life. I think that's useful thing to know, and so that's part of the meditation that part and parcel of rule twelve. That was hard won by knowledge. I would say to some degree, because you know my- I wrote that chapter in part of it my daughter, who was very very ill for a very long period of time, and so I had plenty of time to think about such things, and I mean I know I know, tragedy comes to everyone and that that's not a unique story. I mean you don't have to scratch below the surface in most people's lives before you come to some, positive tragedy in sorrow, because that's part and parcel of existence he the belies the notion of privilege. I would say you do too to a tremendous degree, because even people who are very success,

across one dimension or another dimension, still have all of the full catastrophe of life's tragedy to contend with, just not to say that some people, don't have it harder at sometimes than that others, because they clearly do, but no one get out of here alive. You know and that's something that's something to always about when you're feeling jealous or envious. You know we all pump up against the same fundamental limitations than and there and there are quite deepen and and and tragic. So rule. One stand up straight with your shoulders back, it's a funny rule It's been funding to watch the reaction to it, because that's the rule that has attracted the more criticism from the people who are inclined to quit size what I'm talking about- and I think it's quite interesting because the The systems are based on a complete misreading of the chapter on which I cannot help, but think is motivate

and also its interesting that it's only the first chapter that absorbs the criticism. But my senses that that's because the people who, levelling those sorts of criticisms at me, actually only read the first chapter and they don't do a very good job of that and so because what I was trying to do and now chapter, especially with the infamous comparison to lobsters. Let's say you not believe how much crocheted lobsters. I now possess. I think I have like the world's largest collection of multi sized crocheted lobsters. I didn't, and then people come to. This shows too with like lobster apparatus peril ties in shirts and, like I didn't know, there were so much crustacean, themed clothing, but it seems to be a thing so

he's trying to make a point in that chapter. A couple of points. The first chapter was that the first point was it was act weirdly enough. It was actually a point that was a people on the left side of the political spectrum and not in a negative way So imagine that here's a way of thinking about the political landscape, ok- and I think this is extremely useful and I think it's Read this. If you're a conservative type say a centrist, too conservative you're on the right wing end of the spectrum, Europe sickly- someone who's inclined by temperament, so vile. Logically essentially to to be what what most trouble with hierarchies your company, with hierarchies and and and you because you're conscientious you're you're inclined to adapt yourself to hierarchies and then to strive upward in them and to sort of accept. The idea of a higher structure as positive give.

So that's why people on the right, for example, or more patriotic you know and and are opposed to things like flies burning and so on, and this is useful as far as I'm concerned and necessary, because so much Human beings have problems. That's easy enough to imagine and then imagine that we would to solve some of those problems and that at times we actually managed to or ourselves properly. So we are trying to solve them and then imagine that we have to do that collectively, which we do and then imagine that if you get together collectively to solve a problem that the consequence of that is going to be the construction of a hierarchy, and it is because if you're, going to saw you know what it's like you get together and going to solve the problem. The first thing you want to do is figure out well who, in the group knows how to solve the problem and then is what some people know, how more than others and then the logical. To do if you have the least bit of sense, is to put the people who know how to solve the problem at the but the hierarchy and one

That means the asleep so that you might only do that because those people are older and they ve been around more so you know the younger people are at the bottom, and that is the case like one of the best predictors of wealth distribution in west societies is age old, People have more money like well, that's not very fair, so I well yeah yeah. But there are also all you know. So it's not like they didn't trade, something for it like they really traded, something for its the best of the wealth. Soon is going to be in the hands of women who are over seventy five because of course there has it's all die and that will that's right. That's right, but and so there old women and their rich, and you know and that's that's an inequality, but you don't their old, and so they

it's a money too to live, and most of them would traded for being young again. So it's not obvious who has the advantage, but in any case you if you're sensible. You make a hierarchy, cause you're, trying to solve a problem. Then you put competent people at the forefront of the hierarchy and then, if you're, also even more sensible, you alive people who develop competence in the hierarchy to rise writers and one of the things I've noticed about those. Go out in the world and actually accomplish things in a positive way is there are often extraordinarily committed to the idea of mentoring, young people. You know when it's one a positive pleasures, but actually goes along with having a puzzle. Authority, you never hear the critics of the hierarchy ever discuss anything like that. It's all exploitation and powers. So I get so bloody rubbish. You know I've worked with graduate students for decades I've never thought about it as a power relationship. It's like I don't want.

I do a student minions. It's like some people do some people. Do you know what they're usually not very confident in their intellectual ability and they feel threatened by the students. But if you have any sense, what you want to do just for your, even if your cell, center dinner, like in law, ways you want to surround yourself with, like young, brilliant with people who have the possibility of doing great things with their lives and when doors for them, because that intrinsically motivating to a huge degree right, it's one of the sheets: it's not that much different from from that, the care that you'd have for like four children. You know I mean you want them to do. Well, if you have any sense- and it's not like that's going to take away from you unless you you know, if that's how you think well, Something does many things that are seriously wrong with you, and you cannot assume that that characterizes the whole damn hierarchy, because it doesn't show what one of the things I was trying to point out

now. Chapters hierarchies are necessary and only that there really ancient right there, which is why associated with crustaceans, because that's all the same chemical rule in some sense apply to these creatures from whom we diverge. You no three hundred and fifty million years ago that apply to us and so hierarchy. Our ancient there so ancient that our brains actually react to them, as if there were a permanent part of the world more permanent and trees. More permanent than that, a material objects that we take for granted. In fact, your emotional stability is dependent to a large degree on How the senator energy system in your brain computes your position in a hierarchy, because it is was that, if your near the top of a hierarchy that things that you pretty competent and your life is pretty stable, and so you can afford not to be completely overwhelmed with anxiety. Has the, things are not that likely to fall apart for you instantly, but if you're

the bottom of a hierarchy of barely struggling to hold on then urine negative emotions are massively elevated, which is partly why people don't like to be pushed down hierarchies right. Is it disregards their emotional structure, and so, which is a very a thing to know, which is why people don't like to lose face right because it is regulated through emotional structure. But if you're on the left, you know you're a critic of of hierarchies and the rest, for that as well when you arrange a hierarchy, it does dispossess people at the bottom, because people tend to stack up at the bottom of hierarchies and times the hierarchies- are corrupt and they tend towards a tyrannical structured. So you need people on the left who are concerned about the dispossessed keeping an eye on the hierarchy, so they don't get corrupt and stagnant and only focused on power, and so what I was trying to say chapter one in part was the look. You're on the left and your compassionate and you're concerned about people who are desperate.

By hierarchies, don't take the idiotic simple take root of assuming that. The reason that hierarchies exist is because of the west and capitalism, which is the marxist perspective, because that's just wrong and its wrong in a way that isn't going to be helpful to the people that you're trying to serve because the problem of despair is way deeper than the problem of capitalism in the west. We know that one hundred percent you see hierarchical structure is everywhere the animal kingdom, but even even more importantly, there aren't human societies that lack that hierarchical structure, even if they're, not capitalist or western. It's like you, think what you think the Soviet Union was. The hierarchical system is here

it was hierarchical to the UN's degree. It just wasn't based on competence or or or honesty, or transparency or utility. But it wasn't it wasn't as if there wasn't that one tenth of one percent who had everything in the ninety nine point: nine percent, who had mostly death and misery and so the fact that it is that it was no longer a capitalist system had absolutely no effect whatsoever on the hierarchical structure, except to make its steeper and less functional and so The point I was trying to make an that chapter and had nothing to do with You know how you manifest your personal power, so you can bloody well climb up the tyrannical dominance hierarchy quite contrary to the other point I was trying to make and making this throat twelve rules for life, that power is actually very unstable means of attaining hierarchical. Position

You even see that an animal like chimpanzees were closest biological relatives, the tyrannical chimps, the makers than they do have fundamentally, a male dormant structure among chimpanzee, The tyrannical male can climbed to the top. You owes surely, as a consequence of what would you call it open oppression, physical oppression but the probability that he's gonna meet a bloody and at the hand of two subordinates who cooperate to take him down, is extraordinarily high and so friends the war was a great private or justice established. Quite clearly that power is an unstable basis for the establishment of chimpanzee hierarchies, incredibly important discovery mean what the war has pointed out here. He's right books about the origins of morality in higher order primates like proto morality, you know it's got. It's got to begin He's a morality like chimpanzees have the beginnings of language in the beginning. Self awareness and bitch,

pansy males who were able to engage in reciprocal relationships across time. So let's say thing like friendships and that extend a reasonable hand to the females into the infants are much more likely to stay in their positions of relative hierarchical authority for longer periods of time and not to meet a spectacularly bloody n and so those sorts of things like those sorts of things, are really very much worth attending to cycle. What's this Paypal if you want to if you want to fishing yourself properly in a hierarchy higher of competence rather than one of power, because I think most of our functional western hierarchies are hard, it is of competence, then in power and and and and tyranny? oppression. That's going to position you most appropriately You can do that, especially if you're psychopathic, you know psychopathic motive being, but it isn't

is by no means an optimal strategy. A more much more appropriate strategy is one of courage and truthfulness and the capacity to engage in reciprocal interactions to build trust in yourself be trustworthy and then to build trusting relationships with other people, you don't understand that. Didn't you dont know very much about how a sociological structures work, because every hierarchy. I've ever seen that was functional. You know that performed the word task that it was designed to perform. That was trying to solve important problems that everybody agreed where problems were pretty on competence and trust and not a hand. Percent, because of course nothing is perfect. Our selection met methods aren't perfect, and once you build an organization, you can get people inside it who are exploiting it for their own purposes. That have say nothing to do the function of the hierarchy, but those are those are hierarchical. Structures that have become that's not in the essence of the hierarchical structure. That's a consequence

of corruption And so you know, you're sports keep your damn eyes opened if you're, a sovereign individual in a reasonable citizen and someone who's whose what concerned with with solving problems and with with truth, and once abilities post keep your eyes open so that the hierarchy, the urine, doesn't become corrupt and that's really. Your function as a sovereign citizen and our whole culture of individual responsibility, because I think that's what our culture is essentially, is predicated on the idea that it's your responsibility as a sovereign individual to keep your damn eyes open, so that the higher doesn't descend into tyranny. That's why your vote. That's that's! Why that that sovereignty and hairs within the individual, and so that's what chapter was about and has nothing to do with ass, defying the power tyranny and you know encouraging young men to too many

fast domination so that they can take over the patriarchate, goddamn stupid. That is just painful, though I mean really so annoying I don't I don't. I don't just mean that the criticisms that are levelled at the chapter, because you know I can gotta leave it, but the idea there's this. This idea that that has become something that worth. Forced to agree with at the ethical of our own represent reputation that the proper wait a view. Our culture is as a patriarchal tyranny and that that's to be insisted upon or there's something bigoted about you and that the right way of construing the relationship between men and women across the centuries is that of one of fundamental oppression. All of that is so soul, resentful and so narrow minded in so ignorant that you

after suspect, malevolence. You know the way the way, I think maybe it's partly because people actually dont want to face how how how right with horror life truly? Is you know, because it be lovely. Perhaps if, if your suffering, be laid at someone's feet. You know that the reason that your life isn't we think it could be, is because the social structures, pathological or because people of the opposite, sex aren't acting properly. I mean because maybe would be a simple solution to the problem. You could just fix the social structure and get them other people act properly and then you'll be fine. It's like you know, it's not that's not the case, Because you're vulnerability is much more is much deeper provided that there is no simple solution to it in that manner, and you know when I look at the historical when I looked at and interactions across the historical span of time,

What I see is well here's a fact. I mean before eighteen. Ninety five, the average person in the western world live on less than a dollar a day half of what the EU and now considers abject poverty, not within the richest part of the world, and so that was the lot of our ancestors a hundred and fifty years ago, and that's not very long ago right. That's two old men go it's very long ago? And so what I see is that men and women cooperated to the degree they could the course of millennia to keep the damn wolf away from the door and most the time they were only somewhat successful at that right, because the wolves were plentiful and the doors weren't very solid and to re, write that and say well. The fundamental way to look at history is, as the oppression of women by man is just its theirs nothing but hate fulness, that's at the bottom of that and if

so the matter is that the truth of the matter is that most human beings throughout the entire course of history had lives where they were ass by the forces of nature and culture in their own ignorance and malevolence too three, that we can hardly imagine that we struggle mightily to come out of that. A few people at a time to begin with, were given some freedom in some autonomy. You know a small percentage of the population and, as we got wealthier and more able to distribute those opportunities, we distributed them pretty. Damn rapidly and we ve done a pretty good job of putting people situation now, only a hundred and fifty years later, where we all have opportunities. That would be completely on unimaginable to two people you know short century you go and that's there's a little bit of gratitude. We might have a little bit of gratitude for that instead of coins

We attempting to undermine and displays everything that we and people who came before us have been able to manage, and so So so that's rule one, the the moral of rule, one so to speak, was well. How do you a teen position and authority within a functional hierarchy? In answer to that is to be a good person? That's actually the best strategy, technically speaking, and so I believe that that I truly believe that's the case and that's partly even just thinking biologically, you know, think you thinking about it purely from an evolutionary perspective. One of the things, that you have to do in order to be successful, is to take your position properly and in a hierarchy cause that's one of the things that determines your reproductive success. It's a primary determinant, male or female its primary determinant, and so the answer question is, imagine a set of hierarchy, it's right which could

the set of all the hierarchies that you could possibly be born into you want to develop a mode of being part of partners structured inside your biology, but that's that's also partly talk to you. That would insure most probably that no matter where you ended up in all those multiple hierarchies. That probability of moving upward would be optimized, and so you can. About that is the set of all possible hierarchies or the set of all possible games. That's another way of thinking about it. And then the question is what what do you need to do to be a winner at a game? But it's not the right question exactly because the right question is what need to be. What do you need to do to be the winner of the set of all games and answer to that is to be a good player right is to play, not you say Your kids doesn't matter whether you win or lose. It matters how you play the game? think what what are you saying to them? Because you actually dont know and if they ask you what? What are you

by that gun aren't trying to win. You say, while of course, you're trying to win but but got away no, but it still matters more how you play than whether you win or lose and what you're telling them is you're trying to across a set of games across the set of all possible games, and you want to be the sort of winter. That's constantly invited to play, because that's how you win. And so that's the sort of winter you want to be in order to be invited to be play than you to be an honourable player, and that is the best way to move forward in life and now, The reason that there is such a constant through such concentration on the ethical path, fundamental religious narratives is because there isn't a better strategy now it's hard to. Imagine that in some sense because big, it's a medium to long term strategy. It often means sacrificing the present right because took to act ethically often means that you have to forego immediate gratification. You have to put the future ahead of the present and,

it requires discipline and vision, and so it's a differ a path and it's easy to be sceptical about it. But you know you can yourself or why? Why else would the idea of an ethical pathway even emerge if such a thing was? probable and true- and you know it you can also ask yourself another question which is well. You know don't teach your children to lie to cheat, not less Europe. While not not lesser something seriously wrong with you and even the people that there is something seriously wrong with no perfectly well that if their teaching their children to lie and cheat that that's wrong, they at least no, that and you, why would you have the intuition that was wrong? If you didn't also have the intuition that acting properly was actually the best way to carry you, carry you through life, We know that and why would you call yourself out on your own moral shortcomings if that wasn't part of your interest? two of nature, and then it

therefore reason like this idea that this idea of moral relativism- I think that's that goes along with the whole idea, that human beings are blank slate and we are not blank slate and moral relativism is incorrect. It's wrong it. He doesn't even hold true among animals, because plenty of evidence that animals, once they organise themselves into social communities, follow what appear to be more behave, Follow behavioral patterns that, if you describe you, would see a proto morality in them, it, is even truer when you get out of the human world that morals are relative. It, sir not true within the human world, and we need to dispense with that, because that idea of moral relativism is making people nihilistic. It's not helpful. You know, especially if you will lie that with idea. Rule ten, which I mentioned to you already, that you know that you're Your aim determines your perceptions, Your aim is associated with your moral structure, and so you know if you

why not the moral structure- and you say well, everything is the same as everything else. There isn't one aim of value that supersedes another. Then you're left with no moral structure at all, and then you can't even see the world properly, and you think then, that this just not helpful that deadly that kills people. You know you see people who are suicidal because they become hopeless because all the meaning has been taken out of their life except the suffering, because you can't get rid of that. So all the meaning has been taken out of their life because their moral hierarchy has been demolished. It's not like there now, free because they have no strictures. Big drown in chaos and less partly why I wrote the title as you know, rules is an antidote to chaos and that's that chaos that the poles pulled down and drowned, and you there's these are optional- you know they say man does not live by bread alone and that's the literal truth is that it's it's. Fine to have enough material provision, and thank God for that, but that isn't enough to orient you in the world and so

The problem of morality has to be taken with dead seriousness. There isn't a more fundamental issue and to into two and wave and say well, there's multiple ways of being in the world, which is certainly the case. Just like there are multiple games. It's not the same. Thing to say that all moral systems are equally arbitrary and and and equally traceable and and fundamentally imaginary. It's like no another, that's correct, and we need to dispense with not help you so rule to history Self, like you're someone responsible for helping- and this is an antidote, I would say too casual self esteem. What you so much of psychology pop psychology sometimes psychology is being devoted to the idea that really what you need is to have high self esteem, and I think that's all complete bloody rubbish and dangerous to boot. Spreads for young people. You know, because

magic you're talking to someone is eighteen or nineteen in their confused, as can be made you're talking to someone. Thirty, it's the same thing or maybe even forty, you know, and they have got their life oriented, they don't know what they're doing in their kind of drowning an anxious and and suffer because of it, that's very, very calm and maybe they're medicating with alcohol or drugs, or you know better and they're lying and you know their lives or seriously out of kilter, and you say you're. Ok, the way you are the way you are is perfect. It's like what did that was to be some manner station of compassion is alive, thing that someone in trouble wants to hear what they want to hear is man, you are seriously screwed up and but you wouldn't have to be that be the next thing. It's like you are you're in this state of abject misery and and it isn't ok an end, and maybe you bear some responsibility and maybe some terrible things have happened to you and that has to be sorted out very carefully. You know, but

You're, no one knew what you could be. That's when you tell a young people, you don't say: you're, ok, the way you are given little award, you say: look you're! Eighteen. What the hell do you know, you don't know anything and then no wonder you're stupidly suffering, because you are ignorant and wrong and naive and immature, but but think about who you could be. You know you could be a world beater if you got your act together and that's gonna take like some decades of striving discipline but it'll be worth it. Pull yourself out of of Position that you're in a move towards something that's truly worth attaining and then they have a trajectory- and this is but trajectory than they have some meaning and as soon as they have some meaning, then they're. Not in that nihilistic catastrophe. Right off right away, even though you know they still may have ten thousand things to learn like we all do and so well. Chapter two is what

yourself, like you're someone responsible for helping its like to take some responsibility for four years. As as someone who's worthy of positive attention. Despite your despite on arguable flaws and your malevolence. You know you're a deeply flawed creature. Everyone is that's the doctrine of original sin, which is a necessary doctrine because it keeps us aware of the fact that we're not who we could be. But you can responsibility for yourself, like you would for someone that you love and say love, despite the fact that I have all these flaws, I'm still further still have fundamental irreducible value. Write another presupposition of of of our- of our culture. That's a judeo christian value that each person has an inalienable values, its associated in some sense, with divinity and the structure of reality itself, which is something I I truly believe to be true. I think it's it's an up Aubrey way of viewing, it's the only

propria way of viewing each other. If you try to establish a relationship with someone, yours for anyone else. Doesn't have. That is a predicate, so your inalienable value and your ability to make ethical decisions and your capacity for responsible choice, if I don't you like that, and vice versa. We will not have a functional relationship and to me that's good now I dont know if that was a scream of delight or terror so So so you tree yourself, like you, someone responsible for help helping not because you want let yourself off the hook at any ways are not because you wanna be flooded by feelings. Positive self esteem, but because you have a moral responsibility to guard yourself as something that has intrinsic value and that the end that value needs to be courage to manifest itself in the world, and I believe one of the things that I came

glean from studying totalitarianism in the twentieth century. Was that the reason that too, military and states flourished was because individual people abdicated their moral responsibility. That was the funding cause. There's other causes, of course, but when push to shove that was that was that was that the line that one that's line is crossed into society can deteriorated. It can deteriorate on the right and it can deteriorate on the left. It's up to you to bloody, well, be awake. You know in the little businesses that you occupy it in your family and in broader society and to keep things straight and functioning, and so and that's part of the reason why it's perfectly reasonable to view yourself as something that has intrinsic value, because you're alert consciousness is in fact the mechanism that keeps society from degenerating into tyranny and keeps the wool from the door and said

what's useful to know that- and so you have to treat yourself like you- have that value, even though you might be ashamed of yourself for everything that you're not and then That's reasonable! Shame as well, but it shouldn't mountain point where you have the kind of cancer for yourself or other people that you're not doing everything you can to allow the possibilities of the world to open up to you and then the same thing is true of the choice of people that you associate with with your friends and so rule. Three is make friends with the people who want the best for you and it's a harsh chapter two, because it involves the occasional necessity of leaving people behind. You know this rule, if you're lifeguard in someone's drowning you swim up to them like this. And the reason you do. That is because, if cling to an end and stop you they make the move and new both drowned. That's not helpful than theirs

dead people and that's why just went out there to help its like? What good now there's two dead people? It's like this not is not useful tell the person. Look. You're gonna have to calm down, and I can help you, but we're not going to both drowned here and- and this thing applies, I would say the relationships that you haven't. It's a better way to think about it. Then to say you should make friends with people who want the best, you- is that you should make friends should have relations with ships with people and the best in them should want. The big should want the best for the best in you. That's better way of thinking about it- and I started that out a little bit my clinical practice, because there was a psychologist named car Rogers who, You should have unconditional positive regard for people who have never sit well, sat well with me. He really didn't act. He didn't act like that really either when you analyze the way he acted. It's not about formulation, but its a bit imprecise because really

What you want from a relationship is you're, hoping that have a close relationship with someone. Then the best NAM calls to the best new and those two things build each other right and that's what you hope, of a marriage or friendship. If it's a real friendship, that's what you're after you also want people around you to call you on your foolishness rate, and sometimes that can be really intense. You know, if you have a family member, that's degenerating into some appalling manner is sometimes you have to put up a real wall like us, and maybe a bunch of you have to put up a born, say you cry this and there will be absolute held to pay and they're, not they don't believe that what they're doing is serious enough for that. Anyone actually cares until that harsh wall, has been established and then maybe they'll think o o what I'm doing is wrong and people actually do care because they care enough to say keep making mistakes and they'll be things that happened, that you will seriously not appreciate and there

terrible harshness about that, but it's it's way more merciful than a lackadaisical attitude that says yeah! Well. You know DR can lie yourselves to death in all just go along with it, because I dont want the conflict. Don't say anything useful in that at all, and so it's very helpful to make friends think it's a responsibility again. It's not something to make your life easier to make friends with people who want the best, are you it's something to make your life more difficult in the past way guard said years ago, and the lady eighteen hundreds when he was thinking about the benefits of the industrial revolution. You know that there were My time when everything had been made so easy from a material perspective that what people would to cry out for was voluntary difficulty, and I think that yeah, we actually are built for a load. You know like we're, we're we're load bearing creatures and unless we ve got something heavy to carry them. We don't feel that were just fighting our existence. It's like you have to pay a price. You have to pay a price for the poor,

image of your existence. It's something like that. It's maybe that's part of your instinct for social reciprocity. There has to be a heavy load and it looks to me, like the heavier the load that you bear voluntarily the better. It is for you and everyone else, and so and there's something that's deeply religious about that idea to its associated, for example, with idea of bearing Cross of your own mortality, which is a deeply christian, idea and a very intelligent one, there's something that you do voluntarily and that that's partly how actually cope with. The fact of your own mortality is to bear under the low rate and to move ahead appeal, despite that with your eyes, open and then maybe that's the pathway to having some actual self regard. You know you see yourself as a vulnerable and floor creature. That still has enough courage to stand up to the absolute catastrophe over the world and try to make things better. That's a receipt

stability and it's the one that gives meaning to your life rule for is comparing after who you were yesterday and not some who someone else's today, I was writing not because The things I learned from reading curl Young, which is a very useful thing to learn, is that you can't have an ideal without having a judge, and you know it you, upbraid yourself. Morally, you know when you're guilty in your feeling, bad about something you ve done. The reason you're doing. That is your comparing yourself in some way to some implicit ideal like you, don't What I do is exactly what you kind of feel out its contours, because its work ever your lesser them and you wouldn't feeling guilty and ashamed of what you ve done. Your haven't done if that Was it ideal? Wasn't there so one of the prices? hey for having an ideal. As that you all have a judge and that could be very bad because the higher

ideal and the lower, you are in rep relationship to it. The more judge, the judge becomes one. Things young pointed out, which is an absolutely staggering brilliantly. Oh yeah, observation trying to understand the structure of the new testament and he regarded Christ example as a archetype of representation of the perfect person. This has thing to do with metaphysics by the way. It's a psychological observation, it's in the image of perfection and that the image within the gospels, was one of primarily of compassion, but that was it complete because if it's an ideal, it's also a judge, and the reason book of revelation was tacked on to the end of the new testament was to flesh out the story, because at the end, time during the apocalypse right. You might say during the times in your life or everything falls apart. Is that the idea? appears as the judge,

an end and you in relationship to the judge, are going to be judged very harshly precisely abortion to the elevation of the ideal, and so that's it Thirdly, he was absolutely brill, analysed of narrative and that's one of the most intense things. I've ever come across the that idea, that an ideal is At the same time, a judge in and then something also to be somewhat terrified of because, of course, are always insufficient in relationship to your eye. Especially if it's the highest ideal abominable well loom. Become crushed under the weight of that, and you see other people in the world who are manifesting themselves in a manner that more ideal than you are in the distance between you and that ideal is so is so large that it can make you better unresentful in hopeless and all of that and and You need the ideal because you need something to strive towards, so the question might be. How can you have the ideal without you crushing yourself under the weight of your inadequacy in relationship to it, making

jealous and envious and bitter and all of that- and it seems to me and then this is a good technique from a behavioral perspective is while the person to compare yourself too, isn't whose someone else's today, whoever that, be whoever's better at whatever it is that you're trying to do or whoever it is that has more than you who you are now who you were yesterday, because it's the right, comparison, you know first of all, you're trying to do- is to be better than you are an fair enough. And then you could be that's so that something else. It's actually a positive thing, because you could at least be slightly better next week than you were this week, even if it was only like one ten of one percent, which is a really good. Initial send it to aim at the compounds quite quickly across time. You know you did you do to make huge improvements, if their continual for Europe. Are we to be open to accelerate quite rapidly, and so

and you are also the proper comparison for yourself, because you're, the only person that has your particular set of peculiarities and limitations and tragedies and abilities, and all of that, and so you can move towards the ideal, and you compare yourself to yourself and you can work incrementally for improvement, and then you can have the kind of humility that allows you to admit that you need to be improved without also suffering in old from too much resentment bitterness and too much more away because you're not yet everything you could begin so that basically rule for rule five is. Don't let your children do anything that makes you dislike them like rule of law. It outlines a philosophy of discipline which I think is very important because it's very hard to figure out how to discipline children its predicated Two ideas: dome too many rules and enforce the rules that you do make, which are Very good legal and philosophical principles, and and and it's it's

so based on a different idea of parenting than the one that would normally here in our culture with very immature culture in many ways is that your job is apparent, isn't to make your children happier to help them be happier to be well adjusted, their or or or too fast. Their creativity or any of that which you probably can't do anyways Maybe the protesters had something to do with that one of our little tricks right haven't, got anything to say they can always make a lot of noise with the fire alarm. So. Your job is apparent- is to fundamentally make your children attractive to other people or to help them contain- that intrinsic attractiveness that draws people young children anyways, because what you are them to do is to be welcomed by children as playmates There's a lot of what happens to children when there

Socialized is that their socialized through play with other children, and so I think, if they're not popular as playmates, then they don't get. They don't get invited into the group and then they get left far Erin farther behind and the clinical turn. That is very, very clear. So you job is to help them learn between the ages of too and for how to engage in reciprocal play and men. Play a very important role, not especially with regard to rough and tumble plate, but in any case that's one of this. You want to do in. Another thing you want to do is to render them as attractive to as adults as possible, because adults, have knowledge and and authority, and if you want your children too, learn how to function in the world. Then it's not so bad to teach them a little bit of respect for adults who are partly because they are going to become an adult which has, of course important rights like why wouldn't you want to instil within your children the ultimate in respect for they're going to be. Why would

you do that unless you didn't like some, you know unless you didn't want the best for them and if you, if they come equipped with a certain amount of research, for valid authority than adults will appreciate them because they behave properly round them and then they ll open doors for them in so what and so then what can you use as a guide for that? Well, if you don't your child or maybe there's something wrong with you, because you're ordinary or near hung over, and you had a bad day in your mother, tortured you and you're full of faults, so you know you're, not a very good parent, and so, but that's why there's two of you, hopefully because you're you're stupidity and your husband. Stupidity, hopefully, will cancel each other out too to hopefully so that the idea is that the amalgam of view to imperfect creatures makes one reasonable being whose a decent proxy first society at large. That's the hope and that if you would know that proxy, which is the parental unit as a child,

You probably would enjoy other people as well, and so that's when it's ok for the parents to step in and say you should being so damn annoying, because their people won't like you and then your life will be held so really good. To really good reason. Why discipline children well? Well, that's why? Because you? U discipline them so that the world opens itself up to them and so that they have good lives, and so that you don't only love them, but you also like them and so that you can see when you take them to see other chill that they play right away and that they play happily and productively and when you them out in public to see adults that those aren't pretending to like them. But You know what that fake smile that you see on the faces of people who really Oh my god, not these rats again! You want them to be to be

very happy that these cute bouncy enthusiastic children, who have some sense of the difference who some sense of their own limits. Have come to be around them, and then can be positive. We regarded by their grandparents and by and by family friends and all of that and and then it's much better, because then there also surrounded by adults who are responding. Truthfully and that's a sort of world that you want open up for your children and well, I'm not going to get through all twelve but I'll go to rule six and maybe I'll stop without one. Where I want to stop yeah, I think it's a good one to stop with That's to put your house in perfect daughter before you criticise the world, and I like this, it's so one of the things that like. I've been watching my audiences, I watch individuals all the time. I've always talk and individuals in an audience. Thing to know of your public speaker by the way is the only

afraid to talk to a group. If you talk to the group you should never talk to the group, you should just talk to people because you know how to do that, probably to some degree, and so you can pick people out in the audience one by one and you can talk to them and then you can see if they're following and if that person is following, then probably almost everyone else's, and you know it happened to be asleep, while maybe they had a bad day and you can find someone who's awake and talk to them. While you know when the programme, some people are going to have had a bad day and so anyways the other thing I do listen to the the hall and I am always very curious about listening for silence, because silence is an indication that everyone is focused on the same thing at and end and that folk, it has a neurological component and the the neurological component the activation of whatever circuitry is allowing for that focus and it in If it's everything else, if its intense enough, so it inhibits

movement and inhibits coughing and inhibits watch checking in and phone looking and all of that and so if the concentration is intense enough. What you get is silence if you listen to a whole theatre when you're talking you tell when you strike a chord, because the place goes completely silent, one of the most reliable motifs I've noticed or rendering a claw a crowd, dead silence doesn't matter where this is all around the world is to have a discussion about the relationship between meaning and responsibility, I think the reason for that is that we haven't had that discussion in our society for like fifty years, and I no, if we ve ever had it with sufficient explicitness. You know because really types and they sort of do it in a finger shaking way. You know you should get your act together and you should act like this talk about responsibility or conservative types, more orderly types and they sort of do it in a finger shaking way. You know you should get you

together, and you should act like this and you should follow the rules and- and you know, that kind of rebellious spirit that rejects that sort of top down in for morality and there's something to be said for that rebellious spirit, but what I am interested in are more interested in the fact that if you watch the people that you admire, let's say his admiration is like a spontaneous manner, station of your site, its part of the impulse to imitate- because you are radically admire people, and if you admire them, then you want to emulate them, and so you have an instinct for growth in it manifests itself in the proclivity to admire and that and now more Bates imitation. So then you think well, who is it that's that you spontaneously admire an answer to that is, what's generally people who at least take responsibility for themselves right. We thing you want from a person a friend, family member, a partner, a child,

the ability to at least not be unnecessarily dependent on someone else like if you're, sick or if you're hurt that's a whole. If the matter, but you want to be You wanna see someone who can stand upon their own two feet, at least in relationship to themselves, minimum think that person's doing all right and then maybe what you want a little bit past. That is, that you weren't person to have taken enough responsibility so that other people can rely on them too. You know that not only are they a credit to themselves but say, but there someone who Family member can come to our friend in a time of crisis, and that will be there in a functional and productive way. So there, for themselves, but are there for their family and their friends and then maybe beyond that, you want someone who's. Also, therefore, the community, whose men for themselves and managed for their family and then, so managed it for the community and is doing all those things at the same time, in a kind of in an

mode of ethical being that harmonious, like music as harmonious the essential that's an essential element, let's say of what constitutes valid morality valid universal morality, and ended. That's partly when you see that pattern manifested by some then you automatically admire and its part of the heroic path through life. It's part of our ability to bear up under the tragedy of existence and to move forward, and we are automatically and religiously attracted to that in the most fun mental way and its in its necessary incorrect and rule six is get your house imperfect order before you criticise them, It's like well, there's not a reason to criticise the world real reason we ve gone through some of it. You know natures, very harsh, and we all suffer under the store. Years of mortality and illness and culture be tyrannical and were forced to deal with our own ignorance and malevolence in that of others. Two reasons to be resumed,

full about the structure of existence itself and then did not trivial reasons. You know, but I read this. This very interesting exchange in a book called the cocktail party by Ts Elliot the American English poet, and in this this place- it's a screenplay, there's a female character and she's not having a good time of it. She suffering now and it's really undermining her and she talks to this. Curtis just at the party she's, looking for free, Called advice, let's say- and she said, to him- she tells him that she's having a terrible time of it and and and he since in and she says- and I really I'd like to talk because I really hope that. There's something wrong with me and he says what what what me why? Why do you hope that there's something wrong with you and she says? Well, this is how I look at it like I'm having a death but time of it here and there's only two possibilities. As far as I can tell you see this

the wrong with me or something wrong with the world and if there's something wrong with the world, will then I'm done because, like what am I going to do about that like if it's that, if that Qatar to me that me as a function of the stock- sure of the world, then I'm lost, but There's something I'm doing wrong. What then, that so positive, because maybe I could figure out what it is and stop doing it, and you know there's this idea again its deeply embedded inside the west, that the thing you should offer up as a sacrifice to keep the world functioning properly. Is yourself and not someone else? It's a very fundamental idea and that ideas really associated with that the notion that you could let go of what's insufficient about you in and let it die, and that you did that enough, then then, what would you say. If you did it at ly enough, you could at least test the hypothesis that the unnecessary misery and suffering that surrounds you and that characterizes your life and the life,

Their people isn't a concept, of your inaction. And it's you This assume to begin with that, it is like you got a problem are you doing everything you possibly could with everything, that's at your disposal to fix it and maybe the answer to that is yes, although that's highly unlikely right, because it's well, that's all so you're very high demand to place on anyone, but its there's an optimism and now it's like well how aid, if you're dealing with someone who's quite unreasonable like yours, three percent, reasonable and and ten percent unreasonable and there the reverse. You know which is pretty the case in every marriage, for example so you know you

probably fix the ten percent of you, that's unreasonable. Maybe you could reduce that the five percent in God only knows what effect that would have on the unreasonable. This of the other person might reduce it by fifty percent, because a lot of it was just a delusion on your part to begin with and was actually a consequence of your own moral inadequacy and like I've studied people who do terrible things. You know like but who shot up the Columbine High School or that the persecution up there. You know that every school in Connecticut is absolutely clear, every school crime being particularly what would you call them particularly vicious and vile crime, because it was, it was actually designed to produce maximal suffering among the innocent, which is the worst kind of crime right? It's one thing to punish the guilty: that's what vigilantes do in vigilante movies, but if you, if you If you hate existence, you not punish the guilty, You punish the innocent right in

you can tell when someone's done, that, where exactly they are there in something so close to Hell. That there's no point in making the distinction like what you're bitter and miserable about your life, and you start to think about the terrible catastrophe. The structure reality, which is where your mind is logically going to go. You know how can things be so terrible and aimed at me? It's a little. You know it's. A it's a common way for people to think when, when there not bearing up very well under the the catastrophe of existence. It makes you bitter unresentful and makes you likely to take revenge on the world. All that doesn't make things worse as a better. To do is to reverse that and think- and this is moral moral do, let's say you know new testament there's an idea that messianic figures, that's the figure of redemption does two things. One is to take. This of the world on himself and the other is to confront malevolence, and so that's the meeting save with Saint in the desert, and you think what

that means psychologically. While it means that if things are and how they should be. It's your fault. It's yours, responsibility, no matter what it is. Dostoevsky said Not only are you responsible for everything you do you're responsible for everything that everyone else does, unlike a tinge of insanity about that remark. You know and then there's a tinge of insanity endorse. The risk is well, but he was an absolute genius and theirs Think about it. That's right is that things around. You would be far better if you weren't then you should be and then Estonia is, and I think this is the adventure of your life. I truly believe that this is the adventure of your life is how much better, could things be if you were better than you are, and I think you know. The idea that we have this at the basis of our culture is that each of us has this undeniable divine worth, and that that, is so significant that its reasonable to a tribute to each of us, the song

DE that makes us all the cornerstone of our societies right. That's the idea of our culture and the UN That is the idea that there's way more to you, there's so much more to you than you think that there's enough to deal with this starfleet existence if you would just have the courage and the faith to allow to manifest itself and that even if that's it hard to believe that that might be true, but you see people bearing up under unbelievable loads and acting in a credibly, beneficial and heroic way, understood stances that are absolutely dreadful, like you can see people doing that, even yourself from time to time it within the power of a human being. To do that, and so there is an open question and I think that's the open question of the future is that how much better things be. If you ve got your act together and how much less terrible would they be, which is even more germane question. I was the question that sort of drove me when I studied How terrorism? It's not only that

you dont, manifest what's within you that Heaven doesn't make its appearance on earth. Is that if you don't a fist what's within it but you leave a whole in this? to reality, that's filled by something that approximate hell and we just Do that enough of that, and so you take you. Take that responsibility onto yourself. You know- and you say well, I'm going to put my house imperfect order before I criticised the world and that's a good place to stop. So, two very right man is it for the year. What are you going to do with yourself there's a long list of things. The first thing I'm going to do is to go over to Vancouver Island and spend some time with my wife's families.

Looking forward to that they're all here tonight so well, I can. I can tell you a little bit. I guess I'll just answer the question. I'm going to take a series of lectures on Monday on personality for this company called red seat. And then I'm going to Washington and I'm going to talk to a bunch of Republicans in Washington and I've been talking to a bunch of Democrats in the United States and I've been working with people who are trying to pull the Democrats back to dissent will centre and that seems to be, and that seems to be working. It actually seems to be working a v large number of the candidates for the house. In the United States that were elected in the mid terms were sensible, centrist candidates and that's partly a consequence of a calculated,

move on the part of people within and surrounding the democratic, the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party, to do precisely that, and so it seems to be working in so I'm hoping to go down to Washington, to talk to these Republicans to see if they can find a way of interacting properly with the more centrist democrats to stop this process. Do not stop, but two make some progress towards halting this insane polarization, that's dangerous and that we don't want who engage in any more than absolutely necessary. So that's and then I'm going Florida to talk to a group of young conservatives at that you're going there to that's what organization is that's That's turning point! U S right due to natural right right! So that's a young! That's a group of young conservatives and what I'm trying to

them about and have already is about, the relationship between meaning and responsibility, because that's that's a very useful topic for four years, people who were who are politically oriented and so that pretty much does in December and then In January, I'm going to be working with a small team of people that I've already hired on this. On an educational initiative, I announced yesterday with a with a business school that the creation of fifty fellowship positions we're trying to produce a partnership with business school in the: U Dot S, to help foster on no real activity, and the guy that runs that you have sound of her also has a consortium of private schools yet for for younger people and we're going to test our educational software on them and that's part of this idea of an online education system and I peered people to work on. That's why

to be working on that in January and then in February, I'm going to Australia and you're coming hopefully, and my wife is coming along. Hopefully in maybe we'll go to com in Singapore and swollen, and that basically will take us to the end of February, and then I won't tell you about anything else, that's enough. So so what you're saying Europe tired! we're going to do with the greatest hit that we get all the time this one. Of course we have gotten in every city in Canada when you run it, minister. Well, I can tell you one thing: it's it's certainly not until I learned a hell of a lot more about policy than I already know. You know, because it turns out that, despite what you might think by observing

Current prime minister, you actually have to know something about policy before you yeah, I'm not very happy with it I just went to talk to a bunch of people in New Berta, you know and they haven't a hard time with their gas and oil industry there, and now it's real catastrophe for Alberta and traders contribution to that seems to have been from what I could gather to insist to the people. He was talking about that. The number of women and men in the gas and oil industry will be precisely equal by the year. Twenty thirty I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding that was his. That was his contribution to the economic catastrophe and they'll Berta so anyways. Apart from all that, I'm doing some of these political things that I've already talk to about, and I'm trying to learn a lot about what might constitute reasonable policy across a lot of different dimensions and hopefully that approval

in a variety of ways. I dont know, though, about an political career because the conflict between that and what I'm doing now. Whatever that is with all of you. People cause you're here, for whatever that is too, and I mean I think What we are trying to do is have a serious discussion about the structure of the world and about how to act in it and and that's an important caution to have, as already pointed out, you know that seems to be seen. Be a real demand for that discussion everywhere in the world, and my sense is that the most important thing that you can possibly do- and this is That transcends political importance is to do what you can to improve the resilience and strength of people, individual level and are not willing to forego that opportunity to do something. Political because I think the political system can operate properly without functional individual

and so here's the other greatest hit, and I'm only doing it because it's the lash over the year and I'm not making it up. Do you We're tidy wider user boxers. This has become I. I don't know why I dont know why either we have that person, they must follow us around because they might be easy just to show it at one point just which are not at the whole other show that for the beaten greedily and we will be they got very excited in this run area writer we'd be now This question a lot and I have a stalk answer, which is I I wear pants. So I don't have to answer that question. So, ok, let's change years of it

regarding the opium problem in Vancouver, especially on the east side of the city. Do you think that this problem is rooted in biology, the family or something else. It's definitely rooted in part in biology, because you know there's: there's lots of people mean there are new opiates that are extraordinarily powerful and we don't know a lot about them in their new synthetic open. And it's actually one of the unintended consequences of drug policy. You know because what's happened, the last thirty years is that, of course, a whole variety of substances that are really, Linda reasons for that, but It isn't obvious that making those substances illegal constitutes the most effective way of dealing with their existence. Places like

Where'd you go, for example, have legalised all drugs of abuse and now for quite a while. I think it's ten years in Portugal and that's actually been quite effective, and you know one of the problems with making drugs illegal is that You you push a tremendous amount of money into the hands of criminals and pushing a tremendous amount of into the hands of organised criminals over multiple decades is not a very wise policy decision, but one of the other unintended consequences is that you know the chemists that criminal chemists are sort of at war with the bureaucrats and the rats, make a substance illegal and in the criminal chemist chemists, modify the substance, one little molecular peace, and so it still has the same effect as the illegal drug, but for her a temporary period of time, its legal and they produce now, like That is the sort of ten psychoactive addictive compounds that we had thirty years ago. We have like three hundred, and so

the more way more powerful than they were to begin with, and that is also the case with the synthetic employed and so partly there's a technological and sociological problem and then with employed abuse, there's also a biological component, because large in all, there are people who take opiates and really dont like them. Lots of people are like that. It's not like. The one who takes them all immediately become addicted, but some people are extremely sensitive to these sorts of opiate effects that produce addiction. Just like some people are sensitive to the effects of alcohol that produce alcoholism. At a friend he was a cool guy. Its name was Frank urban and he looked like Ernest Hemingway. He was quite a bit older than me. He was a professor of mine when I was at Mcgill and he was interested in biological basis of criminality and also of alcoholism, and he had a believe it or not. Yet a monkey farm on Saint Kitts and was raising alcoholic monkeys and

he's the only person I ever met. You actually did that and it's not that surprising, because it's a real need market and my wife and I actually went down to Saint Kitts about five years ago and met his wife. Their frank, unfortunately, was ill at the time anyways on Saint Kitts. They have green monkeys verbatim and they also re sugar cane there and the monkeys get into the fermented children. From time to time, and in so many ways they gather monkeys from the wild and then they would give the milk all beverages and they had to sweeten them, because the monkeys didn't really like the taste of the alcohol. But five percent of the monkeys would drink to coma on first exposure and Frank, had footage of them look just like a frat party. You know how the monkeys are hanging upside down in the trees, but like most of the monkeys would have a zipper to and desist, and some of them would drink a reasonable social amount in the annealed, then go home

still able to drive but but five five percent of them. They were just the first time they try to. They just couldn't stop and then they just pass out and that's a good example of the biological differences, and so and then the other thing that you see. I think that contributes to opium abuse in particular is opiates. Are our good annulled ex their good at alleviating pay in particular, and so people who are in pain, grieving or or or disappointed or frustrated suffering from an excess of pain, related emotions, and sometimes that's actually physical pain itself you know a fair number of people who are seriously depressed, I think can't remember what it is. I think it's forty percent have a chronic pain condition as well, because depression looks like it's a pain, pathology, pain, opiate seem particularly attractive to people who have that class of problems. So that's another biological contributor and so that's kind of covers that territory.

I'm still trying to picture you on an island with hundreds of drunk at a happy, that's life if you superhero, that's the Jordan Petersen Origin Story right. I increasingly hear talk of white privilege and micro aggressions from coworkers. I love some advice on how to communicate that these are not good ideas. Well, the problem with, as it so specific like two to two to be able to answer that question with any degree of intelligence. I'd have to know a lot more about the person who's asking the question and the workplace, because obviously the fact that these topics have come up means that the workplace is become politicized

and the fact that the question is being asked also means that there is already an awkwardness in the discussion in the territory for discussion right, because otherwise it wouldn't be a concern and and it isn't obvious how to go about dealing with that sort of situation without inflaming it or causing more trouble. Then the good that might be produced and so I'll give a stand back and give a more generic or what you have to do. If you are in a situation that start cause. You resentment. This is useful thing to know, because you're gonna be situations, situations that make resentful resentment is a dreadful emotion. I think three motivations or emotions or states of being? Let's say that really take people out, there's resentment, there's deceit and there's arrogance, and if you get those three working together than than that, really produce something

hellish, it's one of the chapters that I'm writing in my next book about the interaction between those three things but resentment is also extremely useful. It's a really useful marker cause and is something that I spent a lot of time talking to my clinical clients about, because one in this kind of two things there's four things that you do really. As clinician you? U help people get their stories together about the past and the present and the future you help and you help them strategies, and so that would be one thing you help them deal with anxiety and depression and other negative emotions. You? U help them formulate a plan for the

future that that's a part of it, and then you also frequently help them become more assertive and that's really not quite the right terminology, because really what you're trying to do is to help them learn to integrate their aggression, and so people are often feeling resentful because they feel taken advantage of, and sometimes they feel taken advantage of, because their being taken, vantage of, and so, if you're resentful, but not always if you're resentful. You have to ask yourself to questions you have to say: why am I just immature and weak and I'm feeling sorry for myself and allowing myself to drift down that path, because I cannot tolerate the responsibility, I'm unwilling to do that and you you have to think that through because resentment can devour you and it'll it'll make you vicious and, in the final analysis, as you seek for revenge, is very bad pathway and and and that it will come out in that manner,

and so you might have to think that, through an you might have to talk to people that you know you in that. You love to see. You know here's my situation, I'm feeling resentful about it, I'm being harassed at work, I'm not getting what I deserve whatever. I don't. I feel that I Is there something wrong with the way I'm looking at this an yeah well, you ve got a lot of growing up to do either one, so you should just shut the hell up and take it because that life or the other alternative is no. No there's really something. That's not good going on theirs that you are Entangled in something that's got a tyrannical aspect and, and you being subjugated by that and you're starting rebelled against that right here, you're feeling that that life tolerable under those conditions, and if it's the second, then you have something to say or do what's the alternative right, you're either going to stay in mired in resentment, that's a catastrophe and is likely to get worse across time and that's gonna make you

and it's going to take the joy out of your life and it's gonna, make you desirous of revenge to vary trajectory and you want to think that through Or you might have to stand up and say what you have to say. Neither those options or that pleasant, you know, but it, but one of the things that's also useful to know about life is sometimes you screw both I get serious about that. It's unbelievable useful to know because you might suffer from the delusion that there's some easy way out that wouldn't require trouble and suffering on your part you're not seeing, and so you can for the decision times are not in that situation and lets take this politicized workplaces an example: it's like you might already be in trouble. It might be that you cannot function in a healthy manner in that environment, it's already politicized degraded and so now you have a problem. What you can do about that? Well, the first thing I would say is prepare yourself

And so how do you prepare yourself? Oh let's say you workplaces become untenable, while you can't just have a fit about it and get fired because then you're fired like maybe you have a family and they depend on you. It's like that. That's not help holding you haven't fixed workplace and you're, just miserable, and the people who depend on you and we're shape as well, or like strategy, that's a really bad one, and so you might think well, my workplaces becoming validity is this like? Do I have some lateral options you know kit? Could I, if necessary, find a different position? and maybe I should start preparing for that- put your cv in order a take Erasmus if there's holes in it and shortcomings in it fixed start looking for where else you might be able to move laterally or up, because maybe you could also use it as a time to you know, make a career change in a positive direction. But you better prepare yourself because

I'm going to be able to say what you have to say until you prepare yourself, because you won't have the courage or the strength of the strategic intelligence Nessus to do that. So, if you're gonna stand up you, position yourselves so that you're not standing it also that someone just push you over with a single finger. You have to be ready and so you ready yourself and then you start to think it through. It's like okay. Well, what the hell is your problem with the discussion of white privilege. Why is that bothering you, while I just don't think it's right, yeah arguments, nor can I get you anywhere. You know, you're gonna have to be lot more sophisticated in your analysis of the problem than that in order to address it, and you can have to figure out what who's bring get up and watch their motivations and what's their power base, and are there other people that their also annoying who are saying anything you need a whole strategy for dealing with this, and it has to be intelligent, well thought through, and so but but it might be,

a more demand on you to undergo all that effort, because what's the alternative you, if your works play, starts to get politicized and you starting to be genuinely oppressed by that which is the aim of a politicized workplace by the way, then you have the option. Here's your options! You can either submit. To the slavery that goes along without and become bitter unresentful, and let all the joy be taken out of your workplace or you can stand up figure out how to push back against it so that you can maintain a certain modicum of self respect and maybe career along with it and those are really hard, but you know.

At least one has a certain amount of nobility indignity associated with it. And so that's that's what I would say about how to deal with that. It's really really difficult and- and it's you know the other thing that I learned from Karl Young, which has really useful. I thought this was so brilliant. He said that complex social problems are solved by people who take their personal problems with extreme seriousness. So let's say now. You're one of these people and you in a politicized workplace like well now you're kind of at the centre of the storm in some sense, because you nor whole discourse, our entire cultural discourse, has become politicized and that sort of abstract is out there in the political world, but not others for you of sudden it's right there. It's part of your life and so and in its part of your life right down to the particulars, and so in order for to address that you're really going to have to take that problem apart, because now it's become

of your life. You're gonna have to learn how do too, to make your to make here hey, so that you're, not the the unwitting and resentful victim of up of a politicize process. That is essentially aimed at something tyrannical. That's a big wait to take on, but if you you're out how to do it. Then you know how to do it. You you ve, act, regenerated! You know what you might think just as a micro solution, because it only applies to your case, but that's not the case. It won't just apply to your case. They'll be the fact that you worked through that, the particulars of your life will enable you to discover something of general value and its those who battles that aren't little the battle that that we're talking about. That's part, Marshall, that question: that's the sort of battle upon which the integrity of the state actually depends, when you read about how totalitarian states develop and maintain themselves. What you see when you, when you break them down to the micro processes, is that all the people there

in those totalitarian states were faced with that sort of conundrum indecision all the time and they didn't and because they didn't stop at it got worse. So you take it on is a challenge, and I think that is what you should do, especially if it's starting to poison your life, but I would take him, all due seriousness, because it's the same thing. That's manifesting itself in the political sphere as a whole and you're, going to be dealing with all of that complexity right there in your workplace and so a real tremendous challenge. But a challenge that did voluntarily is much you're much more likely to succeed both psychologically and practically. If, if you take it on board

early, rather than wait until its chased you into a corner and then start to try to fight like a corner rat, in which case you very likely loose and in a very painful way so better earlier than later so My real name time for one more than the last one of the year, so you ready go deep, ready Jesus, what that means. It's underwear question: how did you become the Jordan Petersen? There were all watching here tonight.

God, that's a weird question: that's an almost impossible question to answer without being like unbearably egotistical, even by daring to consider that a reasonable question. So ok, so so too, to the degree that that's a reasonable question. I'm gonna rephrase little bit because you know one of

things that has been characteristic of my career is that I've been in engaging lecture. You know- and so I left shared at Harvard for about six years, and then I was at the University of Toronto for about twenty and our electorate at Miguel a little bit before that and the lectures were engaging, and I think the reason for that is because I never discussed anything in my lectures that I didn't believe to be important and an important what I meant by important it's sort of. I had a kind of a technical assessment of its like. I really like abstract ideas, and I like philosophical ideas and psychological ideas, scientific and theological like ideas, but also like them to come to a point you know. So when I was lecturing to my students, the rule always was well here's a fact, but here's wide knowing that fact is gonna, make material difference in your life like you need here's the

there's. The way that this fact is a tool. You know I so I was always trying to communicate with my audience and with myself in a way that ensures that what I talking about- was relevant and informed as it should be from research, scientific and professional perspective, but was also of practical significance, and I could tell us that was happening because the students were engaged, and so I practice- diligently for decades and then to stay away from notes to the degree that that was possible too, so that I could attend to the audience so that I was only concentrating on material that was meaningfully engaging. And so I would say that that's morphed into this you know what's in the process, is partly a technological one, because, first of all I just have my students, you know and the bigger classes- two hundred people and then I started using television Little Maiden, Ontario, and then you tube and and then they all

in size is grown. The message was working because of what I practice doing and then the audience sizes grown technology as a consequence of technological innovation and scaffolding. And so it's that process. And then their part of it is that's part of the other part of it is like I spent a lot of time writing. You know the first book I wrote, which was maps of meaning took me. I wrote that book for fifteen years and I worked on it three hours a day and I worked on it, come hell or high water fundamentally in kind of hard on my family, because what you have- we mean to do something like that I really mean that, like you know, I'd I'd have my office and I have made my job. I was professor and also a clinical psychologist, and so I had a lot of professional responsibility. And I would pose myself in my office for this time all the time

I would chase my family out. You know if they came in my cute little kids or my wife was a very reasonable person. It's like what they are you doing in here. I'm writing. You cannot come in here and bother me and the region and I was harsh about in the reason for that was like. Maybe I thinking about something that took forty five minutes to think through. You know when I had all that in my head and then someone would interrupt me and often maybe because they want to see me or they had a perfectly reasonable request. And Then that would all disappear. I couldn't have that and do the writing. And so I was like a junk yard. Dog can avoid barbed wire run my office and if you came in, I bark them, but the advantage to that was that I spent those fifteen thousand hours- something like that really thinking things through and when I wrote that first book.

I rewrote every sentence of it at least I think fifty times, and usually what TAT meant is right, the sentence and then I'd right like ten variants of it, and then I pick the best variant and then I do that repeatedly over the fifteen year period and I learned to structure arguments in a very coherent way, and I learned a lot of things that I had at hand. You know that I can drawn when I lecture, for example, as a consequence of all that reading and all that writing, and so I think it's the combination of those two things It's the reading in the writing gave me a knowledge base. That I can drawn and then there's the continual practice at lecturing, and so that seems to be what's produced whatever it is, that drew you too effort is that we're doing tonight, which is a sphere discussion about. I would say about serious matters, so that's

right. That's it we're twenty eighteen one. I want to say one more thing: John, are you back there? Would you come out oh come on you're on we'd like to introduce you to John O Connell John is my tour manager and he

been unbelievably helpful to me for the last time you had a robot long as we're getting all emotional here I mean I absurdity a bribe. At least I may as well say in front of these couple thousand people. I am a better person, then I was before we started this thing, so I know what it's like for these guys:

to be here. Truly, it has been an honour and a thrill. I love him Andrea stay on that note. I'm getting out of the way makes a noise. A hundred eight chose this year. Incredible you. Everyone was a pleasure to be here and loudly at a time when all of you- and so thank you. Thank you denied it. He found this conversation interesting or meaningful. You might think about picking up dad's books, maps of meaning protection of belief or his newer bestseller. Twelve rules for life, an antidote to chaos. Both of these works does much deeper into the topics covered in the Jordan. Be Petersen, Podcast, see Jordan, me Petersen, not com for audio e book and text links or pick up the books. It your way.

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