On part three of our four part series, we give you a short history of the white supremacy groups Timothy McVeigh may have been involved with, follow McVeigh on his gun show adventures, and introduce a curious little town in Oklahoma called Elohim City featuring a gangly buck toothed German named Andreas Strassmeir.
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a dream up going jewels up where he can see all areas. Your mommy, Google Gaga creative site. I take it, you saw the movie baby driver and you adapted only diver as the soggy s very good Venza scenario that, however listeners, it is important that I guide them driver is made me DR much more aggressively, but better right now willing I'd its horrifying. The driver was speaking of horrifying, terrible baby drivers or, at the very least emotionally stunted drivers. Timothy Mcveigh were under a global city birthrate now before we rejoined Kemys adventure through the world of white supremacy. Now is it going to be a cute as we thought not cured? Oh, yes, we need to give a short history. Some of the organizations Mcveigh got involved with our aim over the next
love episodes is to show the connections between Timothy Mcveigh and some of these groups and individuals, and just why none of them were ever convicted or even arrested for these connections, and that is because of the. U S government,
Fraid to incite the coming rebellion of these brave soldiers of the Patriot movement. I think
this government just waiting for their cholesterol to finally give them a heart attack, I guess for their high cholesterol and against the war started when America allowed the country to be run on Duncan, oh yeah, I love dunk. The funny thing is you're, really not that far off.
The modern routes of these people begin with an organization called the covenant. The sword and the arm of the Lord
cs, say for sure. I don't really understand how you can have like some bad ass, weird like bavarian army name and then change to a thing that sounds like a community run. Groceries yeah cells are the pad pharmacy. The sea, as they
so we started off as a relatively peaceful, but still super racist organization called Zara path. Horrid can yet be a relatively peaceful racist organization. Yet there's plenty a lazy shit, racist around the country on the world, my father still alive and when he was a very active racist with Nypd, he was a lazy, racist, pacifist racist, but in the late.
Seventys. The rhetoric,
for the sea as a turn apocalyptic when they started subscribing to the christian identity movement
members started to believe that the only way to save the world was to kill every living? Do honour good Lord for
They don't know Eric rude off the gloom of the Atlantic, the Olympic bombing in Atlanta nineteen, eighty six. He was a member of this group, so they were very influential new scum. Yes, christian identity movement is
unsurprisingly, anti semitic and racist brand of Christianity. Believe
that the lost tribes of Israel are actually european whites.
Interesting twisted Bavarian Ahmed Shah, MILAN and they'll values are actually the satanic.
Spring of Eve and the serpent I don't want to get into this, but a jewish Jesus was jewish. Well knows me, I don't care, how dare you? How dare you not? How dare you did you not notice? All of those pictures in the church you went to growing up here. You write in every single one of those around which actually my church did a good middle granted. It create a player he's like a five now. This whole idea survives to this day the
Christian identity movement still thrives in America. Some of the christian identity groups currently operating are the die.
International Church of the web out of Morton Illinois he's caressed, the yeah
who shoe a dual seed: Christian Identity Ministry and Livingston taxes and your own fault, radio outer Chicago Euro folk radio sounds like like what their last surviving members of Yola Tango like what kind of a band they would make. Nowadays they actually the the the
or to non wages. The mud peoples, you don't know, absolutely do what do they referred in Non white non Jews as much people, because the Jews came after the said, came after the garden because they are the offspring of even Satan non whites are the quarter quote: mud people that were created before Adam and Eve. The so called first DR reader may say that no, we nosing around say so these are they have. These are the horrible people there were influencing Timothy Mcveigh throughout this time, will they weren't necessarily influencing Timothy Mcveigh? They were influencing the people that influence in its mandate is the christian identity. Movement is very nebulous. It's more of a thing. The people subscribed to resin there being like a christian identity leader, their girl, guys in the beginning that started this, but by the time Timothy Mcveigh came around this stuff was just sort of vital truth. Only a lot of white supremacist group, this decrease identity was both deadly.
To the modern white supremacist movements, John Lennon, William Hague
don't know. Each group subscribes to christian identity. Kite differ slightly on exactly how they believe the world where it will end, but most theories include a race war or are you in
take over of the United States, backed by the jewish cabal story of all think at which these days is usually code word as globalists riding with joy.
Twenty and all sorts of events that happen again international scale. But I didn't wanna. Questions is
These are like fat, local yokels. How did they think they would
we win said race war. Can you imagine even bad enough of color? I only other helma. They would pummel the living crap like myself a ban honestly. They believed that ideas would catch like a virus. At some sort of the turned iris came room. We wash the documentary by the guy who are the intercourse cook, but the same exact eyeing. You start down one little thing and they figured that turned Iris basically says the steps are all of this. Is that once you start the race for everyone or America's gonna, be so excited in relieved that finally begun they're gonna follow these guys area. In other words, they believed that eventually their ideas will be normalized, ok, well into some degree. We see that happening right now in this country. Now we're seeing a lot of this stuff. I mean this whole ignore motivation of racism. This woman's normalization of xenophobia. I mean this is this: was the plan right all along interested? My Henry referenced, a documentary american terrorist check it out and networks all about the guy who wrote the intercourse anarchists cook, Absolute S, no course,
all this racist and anti semitic stuff, it goes hand in hand with extreme
He government rhetoric every single one of these christian identity. Assholes they hate the gun,
And they have a million conspiracies to go along with it. I'm fine with that to understand it. Just came from Vermont and they ate the government, but
The way they protest is by wearing hiking sandals and showing the world their toes yeah. That's solutely will one of the first man out of this movement to put all that rhetoric into practice? Was a man named Gordon CALL and I'll give? You
three gases as to how his revolution against the government, when he one off allows you to view the web browser go, do horrible things in the wallflowers bathroom and then I don't know
find a lot lizard killed in a violent shoot out in eighteen. Eighty three go Gordon CALL protesting,
Taxes was killed in Iraq.
Shoot out with government agents just an hour and a half away from sea as a headquarters, are you say, protesting taxes, but with that actually means that he just didn't fill out the paperwork for his tax? I just didn't do tax at this is exactly how we wanted to die right. I mean all of these as it that's all of these guys want. I mean they want to be a martyr. That's why all these calls all of
a Christian identifies? That's why they're also apocalyptic they want to be special. They want to be a part of the entire, also have a cool ending yet to have a cool story, because they're all searching for a story. That's why Timothy Mcveigh is constantly as we go through in this
So the next episode, Timothy Mcveigh, he constantly references movies. He wanted to be
the Turner diaries these people are so desperate for some sort of meaning that they simply put themselves
into this story of the extreme right after Gordon, called now believe that the government was
coming for each and every one of them and the time had come to seriously arm themselves. In an hour
on themselves, they needed money and what better way to get money?
fast and tax free, more importantly than robbing banks, all this criminal activity drew the attention of the FBI, which lead
to operation clean sweep on April nineteen, nineteen, eighty four
ten years to the day before,
Oklahoma City federal agents,
hated the sea as a compound of weapons charges and when it was all said and done, the F B. I said that that whole.
Was among the largest stockpiles of weapons. They had ever confiscate again haven't election amino acid dabbling have to have a sample plate of guns, Zylka dare injure. You have many bows and arrows if your native american or any war, both Jackson Alot of both arouses eyes, absolutely remit, which is due stockpile
this year's. They also begin their rhetoric, because when they were Jazeera path, horrid they were
does the separatist movement. The whole idea was a cradle whites only group where they would go when they would worshipping weird blonde version of Jesus, crazy, never existed or even of Jesus never existed the blonde one never existed unless he got a permanent
and it may be that a different story, but they got they bid the already shifted into the sea. I say when they ve created that basically they did the same thing that option radio dead where they kicked in the new endings of the story, which is their with there's gonna, be a race war and we have to prepare. Forecasts are gonna, come forward at every single time. One of
compounds says that the government is going to come and destroy us. They set it up so that a government com that destroys I do like operation clean sweep because it sounds like a supermarket competitive, gameshow worthless. You gotta, get a lotta groceries any gotta get pace but can't egg. That's your fifty dollar one, but it just Marty summers doing it in his own home because a horrible oecd level, the works lovers unwrapped and doubled their fame. But it's
a funny to me that these people are like whites only where there are budgetary,
both color, knocking on the doors trying to be a part of their own condemns. This is because we share their Chirac's other thing to all of these guys live horrible, yeah langleys amaze, only the lock and other doors to join now well operation clean
could have easily turn into a blood bath. Of course there was a huge stand off, but the whole thing was not go
aided by a man named Robert Mylar, who is the founder
hatred arc of a bizarre little community in Eastern Oklahoma named Ella Heem City. It's disgusting there's weird footage of it where this shows them this. Yes, a compound and then goes over to allow him sitting and it shows like their training grounds and its
Didn't like we're like death home city. Ella city is right on the Oklahoma Arkansas State line in shares
county with towns like chewy, titanic peeve on
and greasy Oklahoma. Very all your combines, the worst part of Oklahoma and Arkansas, why old, Eric rear its greasy to the west and the ozarks to the ease of getting it was whites only because people were desperate to get there until they found out you gotta
but, of course, go turn a sea every year. Gonna go get all your leopards. Nineteen! Seventy three Robert MILAN Travel to Oklahoma with IRAN, eighteen followers to found Ella Heem City, most of those eight
in followers, were directly related to Robert Mylar by either birth or marriage. These guys lived a true whites
british livestock lifestyle. They ran on Sunday time. They followed the hebrew calendar and they use
glass beads that they called glows per currency. You know for a fact: they were trying to figure out what frickin time it was for. Like thirty minutes he's like. Could I just look at my wife and I look at nor did it it's brand new Casio. If a bird chops, three tat, it can't be wanna claw more could just be that the bird is hungry dammit, it's for thirteen it just like them. I want
Hitler would take one look at four Canelo him citys like burn it down these guys a course. They started with eighteen people buy in about within
Ten twenty years they had
population of a little less than a hundred soda from eighteen to a hundred injustice
twenty years. I mean we're talking and breeders and polygamous they shared they all shared tooth
you should try my cousin dolly the best part about she's a wide set. That way you can get three fathers in a red once I was actually going to recommend that you try here to she's both of our cousins.
Once again, I once again friends, cousins, best friends, lovers to gay men out here in the forest trying to make a child with each other, even though it's impossible, even though I read a book somewhere. If you just love me hard enough, we could grow a baby inside my belly. Do everything tat? We really made a mistake, isolating ourselves for the rest of the country and sort of like spewing hatred
for the place. Yes, I do all these
people. They lived at the behest of Robert MILAN, for example the church where they congregated every day we shape like
igloo, because mylar didn't, like straight lines, are right angles in his bill came and Steve jobs in the idea has not, for almost ten years,
Ella. He might lived and extremely racist, idiotic, yet still peaceful life. Until now,
MILAN attended the national courts.
Sword and arm convocation in nearby Bowl Shoals Lake Arkansas? Now call it the covenant, swords and the armed lowered all mean that reason when they change your name is that the government is the promise that they made to God that they would keep. They would carry Crete White society, an end white genocide. The sword was the instrument of God
just as the idea that did God was angry and looking to four retribution against humankind as an arm of the law.
Was they were the arm of the law in its it. You know its interest
what genocide for those that are not either it's basically interracial. Marriage yea contained in our dna stronger that can allow our financing of its evolution is with the talking with that's a big thing about the christian identity movement in this is one of the ways that they can get around like they're like or Wayne Haters. We don't hate nobody weakest, believe their body should be kept separate, but rather how they get around. That is. They say that mixing races makes both races, weaker, intrude, definite time and time again. Look at staff Currie, Barack Obama never were at the sea. Essay complicate
in MILAN, met, see as a founder, James, Alison and compared to MILAN. Ellison was a hard core mother fucker. He Joe
forces with another NEO Nazi group called the order who together, waged what's known in white supremacist circles as the war of eighty four and that involved bank robberies
buyer bombings and straight up assassination to Minsk, has killed people domestic terrorism? Yes, yes, day,
They are. These guys were prototyping
dick terrors. Now one former see essay
were actually said, and the law tall see Jose, above God, no tall Miller, who
goods and their journey time of day to day you know. Well, I don't enjoy your character, aligning the great forest gotta who were never racist. He loved all, even though he was the ancestor you, U is named after night. In Bedford, forests
again. Let me underline the great memory of forest cover. The main leave us these smiley face teacher. Is he dead
I don't know what he's up to in the movie recent may be true or not sure, completely false or totally I dont know. I believe he was killed by a giant monk about engulfing. No because there was a sequel called dumping company, which I now they re, there was actually as equal called dumping company in which Forest Gump, Raquel, Welsh and a monkey with into space together. Yes, I believe he was murdered in space by this market. Why rears grab your entire episode and we are just talk about this law- is not murdered in Spain by the monkey after they got back from the sub from space, poorest, Gump and
Monkey went on a road trip together all every which way but live. You only see like the worst version of the cell Marilla, indiscriminately story ramp companies monkey that's incredible. Alright, we're gonna, refocus after the sea as a an Ella, Heem City, hooked up, elegant city
came a kind of spiritual refuge for astray
of white supremacist criminals throughout the Eightys and Ninetys Alliums city is
so the burial ground of a one Richard Wayne, snail now remember Elmham City technically, is not a guy terrorist cell or a terrorist group, and which is the place where Robber, Malawi, kind, of cover his eyes and be like anybody is free to live here as long as your white and you believe in
An identity and you're probably connected to one of these various hate.
I would assume the F B. I was monitoring this group fairly closely under a terrorist one gains, and I'm not going to do next episode. We will get into that because they did have informants and then depends on whether or not you believe Timothy Mcveigh,
so weapon as member of the CIA on a deep covert mission. I don't know, but I'm really, I don't believe you sheep death. Well, surprisingly, in the eightys it was actually very difficult for the FBI to commit domestic surveillance before nine eleven domestic surveillance was a very big. No, no in the intelligently american intelligence, community Legato until approach programs like that billion, but we made it
we may lose much earlier and I want you to do it because of that, because when we allowed nine eleven app and the whole point was a creative, many military state, but we do not allow
Nine, eleven that, while we see that it's all another site, get going as an eleventh nine eleven to argue for more information or killed. Osama Bin Laden. Susan Rice told Bill Clinton not to border
again, Susan Rice in racist or not, I guess we're not gonna get national security adviser we're not going to do now. Nineteen,
The three Cs- a member named Richard Wayne SNL, began plans to blow up the mere a building in Oklahoma City, with a rocket
launching so down. It was my obviously blowing up them are rebuilding with the with the writer truck right. That was an idea that also it was around for some reason. They thought it would be easier to just hand build a rocket launchers China because they couldn't get their hands on one. So the sea essay said we'll do it that way,
the know how we got the brain power. We got the boys and feel that know how to do this. They try to build Iraq, a larger
he'll do up or even their hands. You will often goose. Why does Iraq? I don't know it seems like a terror applaud from school Us Spongebob Square? What are you working on it? Just rocket cities, you just do it
person holding Iraq a larger with the billion just like little lines go into the Morocco, which is why the fuck it wily, Coyote John Candy, no way it's not gonna were nowhere that, after the rocket went off in their hands and killed two of em, they took that as a sign from God that the mere building plan was it the best one financially abandoned that the Darwin Award goes to yeah. Snl was joined in these plans by a former clansmen named Louis beam. Beam was one of the earliest proponents of a strategy. Call
leaderless resistant, seemingly I wrote anarchists cut back. The idea is that just anybody's now, a part of the revolution of they just say they are ISIS company like a good idea to we. Basically I'm just pop up and
terrorist cells and you're all serving one. Gigantic concept
ices has a very few specific focus with these people. These they speak with such broad strokes that aids a huge Calais
if they can get as we met, though they have a fairly specific pope focusing on. So of course it is the I mean the specific Pope focus is the overthrow of the government Emmy. Much like I used it just like ices. The whole focus is the destruction.
Of western civilization, they pretty
Ices and these white supremacist groups have pretty much the same goal daily annual, be friend. They would be very much for not having been an end. You know the views of Christianity in the extreme right and the Shariah lot similar. It's almost like all terrorists are the fucking saying. Will they don't?
the. U S government represent western civilization properly, so that's what they. So it's like
No! No! You! I've used rise and privately believed that they would run by jewish coding, cortical balls and its enforced by black people, and that they are. They are trying to do why genocide to trying to get rid of the White race which is like we're, did die
What's a good job of doing themselves, blowing themselves up with homemade rocket launchers, leaderless resistance, pretty much its small groups of people that are all in this cause and they engage
in terrorist acts of their own volition, without taking orders from a higher power and if they don't take orders from a higher power and if their
operating almost randomly than that means that there is a much lower chance of them getting caught, but for the entire
operation is carried out. Like you know, that's one of the reasons why a lot of these ISIS attacks have been so difficult to prevent is because there is
These people are taking orders like Omar Martine was not taking orders from anyone when he burst it. Birstall pulse nightclub, uses inspired and then
If you do it's like running a Madonna's franchise and honestly just like it, let me yet if they deftly franchise out their terrorism. That's for sure there was a terrible tragedy, the pulse Nightglow. Of course it was now Louis Beam beget. It came up of leaderless resistance. He runs free to this day because I d sooner and illegal. This, of course, now about in nineteen. Eighty four
in SNL did do something illegal. He was convicted and sentenced to death in Arkansas for the murder of a black state trooper, as well as pawnbroker, whom snow
erroneously believed to be jewish years later. Smells execution date was set for wait for it April line,
in nineteen. Ninety five wait. A second
crazy, coincidence, Marcus listening, I'm no way that can have any combined with Obama City bombing just because the same day and it's the anniversary of Waco Anything anniversary of patriotic its patriot day, which is celebration of the first shot of the Fuckin Revolutionary war, was for some reason these fuckin, weighty, it's all think is the fucking is there is a special rebate, knows all british people who did a diverse just a coincidence. I guess drives me nuts.
You see these white supremacist. You know it.
Person you wasn't. Jewish, she thought was jewish. It happens with six on a regular basis. They called muslim and things like that. It's like theirs,
so there's so ignorant stupid it is its inferior attending
before Wayne smells execution. He told a guard but that between that day and the day of his death there,
beheld be pay. Now, how did SNL know this views on death row? Will he and Lou
beam, stay close to the end. Also he had just eat nor burrito bull from shore put my name. You knew that there would be some hell of any man himself and also you just specifically just met his, but yes,
I did have a lot of talk about today, so that reference hits close down. We all had a lot of talk about three weeks before the bombing Louis.
Gave Wayne smells wife, a message to pass on that said home again
come on on the day of his death. Missus Dale quiver a beam also told a career criminal named Robert boy. That's something big! What happened in Oak Lama, city, dimmer or Dallas on the anniversary of Waco? These were all cities that we know for a fact that Mcveigh considered for the bombing and soon to be
its rush getting back together, great no boyd as beam. What something big meant beam said it was gonna, be close to what Earl Turner pulled off in the Turner diary.
And when Boyd asked who is going to play the part of early beam said they have got some kid is gonna, do somethin and whatever else, I'm sure it'll make a split in the old time. Show the showbiz veal. Here the blade of lives do bar where now they gotta home loaded loud Kenya. Imagine how much here you can get onto their top of a pen of a man's pin headed shape, tat I'll, tell you how much seven ounces and it is a miracle to behold, good brush and it was said
by one of wind, snows guards than on the morning of his execution SNL requested a television be brought into his cell,
snow turned on the news and when he saw coverage of the bombing it said,
SNL, smiled and chuckled to himself. Why nodding his head in agreement? I always imagined it's. The same lake like smile
when charcoal as when they tell them in the folders commercials had its folders crystals had not normal coffin via no eyed her, while after snow was
secluded. His remains were taken to Ella Heem City by Robert MILAN and bury their when Robert
or died. He was buried
next I relied on top of a face. I dig Dick, I actually very or may be possibly is sixty nine position. I do love the idea
like a meaningless, surprises, unwilling it's an instant, that's margarine. This butter
technically possible, but left took them so they got its heads annoys you make when you really want to say who gives a shit when it is still gotta measures taken out.
Impress here but
That is what he that was his reaction to the moral building exploding. That's crazy. This guy was until you get that
wait for me, colonel sellers area, one more thing to cover before we get back to Mcveigh and nineteen. Eighty eight
Seven members of the area nations went on trial for sedition, but the people who testified
were mostly former members who turned states evidence, and so the jurors didn't find them.
Also the orientations nations was a group of till you, ve heard the term area nations before that is obvious are obviously the white power. That is obviously the
power game. You obvious you hear about in Britain all the time what they did is. They did a prison outreach kind of programme which ideas that they would go into prisons. People there were members of the Ariane nations that were arrested would be in prison, basically saying hey. If you join
gang come join. Their leaderless revolution outside of prison when you get out will give you a job, will give you a place to stay and anyway,
weird sort of research programme that just turn you into a soldier, and it must stop
by a guy named girt. Usually I aren T was a name and he was also a part of a group called the silver shirts, which was an american Nazi group that started in the nineteen forty during world war. To this
has been going on for a long time and in fact those people
those the ones that built the Nazi compound out here in California S, there is a compound above like two or three hours, north a valet. That is a just a castle.
And it's got us once again. They blew up most of the rest of it, but there's a bicycle covered an ivy and now we're supposed to be Hitler Summer home when the Nazis, one will work to oak book. Well after that sedition trial complete.
We failed all seven of those guys that we're on trial were set free,
in their minds. The government had once again declared war and so recruitment began in groups.
CS. I am contingent in our home city started. Looking for young men
military experience. Specifically, they were looking for men like Timothy Mcveigh, it.
So interesting, Ruby, Ridge, the same situation. The man was found innocent the main character character than the poorest
following that story. These people were finally found innocent thee.
Bundy Clan new age of reason. It white people actually get off on the stuffing wherever they don't get actually found guilty. They were actually enjoying white privilege the conservation. Rather they were enjoying it. They were getting it, they were getting complete passes. They still thought that they were being highlighted because again they thought that the
disenfranchised and they were old, more thought that they were. They were worth more and they would get should get more from the from the fucking unites its government, which is just not how it goes. Is America everybody's exactly the same unless you orgy Simpson, everyone is exactly the only one that is growing at a truly get away with it, but it's it's your interesting noakes. Look at all the seeds right, certain mentioning three Wayne snow.
Had the idea to blow up the Marquis building. They had set it up. They try to do it once before and they end they didn't. Now all of these different
groups, are coordinating encircling and trying to look for the right guy. It's the eight new wonder: debts
You have Timothy Mcveigh who shows up at the very end of Oliver. He says I was alone or no one told me how to do anything at this is the sea. This is literally stirring up that today's others,
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February. Nineteen, only three right after Mcveigh lost two thousand bucks button on the ill fated Buffalo bill. We mention dodgy Simpson Buffalo Bill, while they're kind of like a America's Kirsty Guess, yeah we'll everyone in Buffalo believes they would be accurate. I've delegation to shudder it just goes down stadium and just then we'll bills are shorter, Buffalo New York.
starting at the wiring, they got it away. They will play station. That's over overcome by raccoon. Police station is a massive raccoon problem. After that, too,
left penalty in New York and landed in Fort Lauderdale Florida there, while attending
what else, but a gun show Mcveigh met, Roger more owner
of the american assault company, nicknamed the candy store, so cute more was one of the many strange minor players in Oklahoma City saga, whom we will return to later, while Mcveigh was hanging out with more in Florida. The siege on the branch to video compound began
Now, after obsessing over the news for a few days, Mcveigh decided to drive to Waco to witness all this shit first hand, some Mcveigh drove to wake up and parked a few miles away on a hill and the closest spot the FBI would lead.
Public get to the compound. You can barely see it off in the distance at their use. What two or three miles away from the actual Waco Compound- and this is where all the dipshit like Mcveigh, all sort of gathered right there
they set up a small shop of anti government, pamphlets and bumper stickers on the hood of his nineteen eighty seven geo spectrum that he had dubbed the rule.
Laurie see. I see you have your spectrum. It should be more call that the road worrier will work
you're warrior reload warriors knowingly down brats. It doesn't work very well like oh, no, I'm going out for the other car and the roads and worrying events. Ruby Ridge, weak with these are bug lights. For these rights, to be honest, is this: is there this? Is there? You know their Woodstock could have your interesting. What are drawn to. I tell you, after spending time we did in the UK,
so easy to get why people to grow up. You just get a fiddle federal, real meat. Honestly, we were in the UK and so was beneficial on the street, and then I looked down and I was standing at that time. I need are going to pass on to something about a fiddle and white people. I don't I didn't know I was moving. You gotta go in a fiddle plan popcorn. I am going to dance all night long, stop move and it is of you. Do dances cold, like the shaky knees tete, a tete, a tete. Did, I think, of the cartoon. Skelton stand if you are too low right. You know what I dont reverie. Remember there being a skeleton in any old races cartoon every old cartoon with a skeleton, and it was nothing but joyful. That's right, our I'll. Just skeletons! That's right! So think about that
in Waco big. They, of course he wasn't the only not back there. He was joined by Lou
This being so, we known actually know if Timothy me
they an Louis being ever met, but we do know that Mcveigh sure as hell followed beam strategy, honest ethically leaderless resistant. I gotta tell you something boy: you got autonomy, often Tawny OZ, you gotta had shaped like an old man. I gotta say you yelled, with the best of I like it here, so Mcveigh left Waco after a couple days and went on the road
selling the turner, diaries and other survivalist gear at gunshots because remember wake other seas lasted like two months. I do love. The idea is like guns knives. This is our book,
the Turner Diaries there's more knives and guns or their grow weight.
However, one summer edition of MAD magazine, you ve got to laugh very baby. Did they make
would attend. Eighty gun shows overall. Spending is days talk until like minded individuals and his knights. Listening to patriot, talk shows on his shortwave radio sky, so fucking boring very boring. Mcveigh eventually made his way to visit his old army body, Michael for yea in king, in Arizona, which would become a sort of touchstone location for Timothy Mcveigh over the next couple of years.
Course, Fortier Immigration at all the same dumb should ideas they had in the army, and forty eight was
tell the same old fuck up you ve always been. In fact it was forty
who introduced Mcveigh to mess which Timothy used to feel his frequent cross country road
so? How does it go and you introduce somebody to Beth, Math Billig Timothy does
my friend math math. This is TIM
I bought a luxury.
Like your manner, bogs, Loki, bogeyman, Lyra reservation, I'm your vulgar decadent. Do Michael thanks for introducing you to men, yeah right. Any act of violence get some potatoes. Shipment first kill a police officer, cool friend, emerald. Ninety ninety three Mcveigh headed Easter Tulsa, where he had to
one in markers world's largest, got enough show which still have
annually to this day. I again I feel like we are. We are pursuing gun in knife, shows they put the. I would. I would loved I'm of total proponent of the second demand. Many ass for you just have to be reasonable. Yes, of course, be reasonable, but I would love to get one of those guys are delayed, your tummy and then you she eternit agitated. There you go comedy bloggers. They go in all areas of Hollywood. According to the website for the wanton Mocker world's largest gonna knife show. According to the rules you can conceal in carry, but you can't have a loaded gun so if you're too afraid to walk
from your car to the door of the convention sinner without a loaded gun you can.
If your ammo at the door of the guard, ok, ok, romantic! I go on get giving. I'm ok now have your gun
kiss my gun very european. Little like French gives, is tat. Even the barrels one mocker sites is, if all the twenty eight hundred tables were stretched. In the end, they would cover five point seven miles. So if that's too much
you to walk, he terminally ill majority of these have been. You will be pleased to know you can read a scooter for sixty five bucks a day or a hundred fifty dollars for all three Dave. I wanted to be physical. I would need all these damn good lawyer and only for fifteen bucks. You can read my nephew scooter, carry you back and forth across the opt out. All these draw up. Man you're both bills boating, like this goodies
He talked vs seek with personality their gunshots
weren't, necessarily where Mcveigh was radicalized, but they were certainly
where his views were normalized, solidified, yeah yeah. Well, not all people, a gun shows a racist white separatist it safe to say that gun shows are a place where racist white separatist feel comfortable. I mean, if you look at the picture for the
gun shows and have also been to a fair amount of these sorts of events. Myself. There is
Always a nazi memorabilia pay a table, sometimes multiple nazi memorabilia tables and when their sound, that nazi plague right next to it as a k, K, K like right next
the confederate flag and right next to that is a fucking american flag. I narrow
Yes, they are allowed to sit and talk about their beliefs and the thing that they're interested in that's kind of the departed with his country's about North Korea to sit and talk about the problem it just it is true. It is make these guys more brazen, especially
We in this, this environment is usually when you're literally going to places
a time period when they see us ay, and the order and irritations were actively recruiting people at gunshot, and this is what makes it. This is why it so difficult for the FBI to tell when someone actually gonna go into the realm of reality into action and really difficult to know the tipping point net. Really it
places like one and Mockery Mcveigh talk to other gun lovers about conspiracy theories, namely the conspiracy theory that the jewish back you in was coming to take over the United States, which is a little chestnut. You might remember from our previous discussion about the christian identity movement. One the people Mcveigh talk to about this at one and Mocker- was a gang labour,
tooth german Ex Pat named Andrea
strong Maya, a k? A and B
the Germans. They call me along these a german because of my last name onto my heritage surveys that I will make sense. It looks like I'm getting, but I'm walking mediocre budget sauerkraut on your base. No, that is not. That is a student disease. Man, stress more was said to be the grandson of one of the earliest members of the Nazi party. He had a membership card number low
than even that of Hitler? Why did you score of smelling cards? Kids in the hall sketch and stress my father was a top aid to Helmut Kohl, who, over
the reunification of EAST and West Germany thought Helmut Kohl invented the sash or supplement them
fashion designer lot of fairly be in Ireland. The Nazi were, you know what I might have been confused in my calls here. I might even be like you know, from coal, I might even be girl. Isn't my helmets, I'm sure somebody on Twitter. We call me an idiot- and let me know about my newly winter, for his part Strauss MAR was a former german army officer who first came to the? U S to participate as a civil war reactor during the one hundred and twenty fifth anniversary of the battle of Gettysburg on all. Thank you. Ll firing me from all way from Germany here in Virginia and the first thing I have to say, as I know you,
too many artillery man, antimony generals, undermining our rules on all sorts of people who are the high in the brass. But I am the first to volunteer ivory play a horse, push regional wolves costume and you will see. I am doubles, vigilant divorces, there's no Germans during the civil war. No, I know unless you called tosses this many bavarian crinkles, that the type of horse and chronicles that's a type of horse and re impulse. Thats a type of fossil fuels is got big. Dolls ice all can only run for fifty feet and its native cotton candy is actually it's a candy like or impulse of those levels and runkles or where they were. Then they might after the civil war. Reenactment was over. Eddie stayed in the United States with hopes of getting work with the de because he had been in the dirt german special forces, but Course Oliver contacts fell through
Andy then floated around the United States stain on the catches of fellow civil war reactors stay up all night painting toy soldiers. Nobody wanted him around human race if he was condescending. He
clumsy. He was constantly breakin shit in every time he broke something he would just start screaming. German swear words inappropriate yes, but has also. He was supposed to be like one of the heritage of the
of Nazi Germany. Here I mean, like you, was to be the only german they knew so we just paints toy figurines, like Kevin Spacey in house of cards and just bores the hell out of everyone, I'm going to say. Sometimes civil war reactors should use real bullets venture
a straw? Smart was dumped off on
MILAN in a low Heem City and stress my thought that he had found paradise. You live
ask homemade bread, he hunted dear, and he ate all the expired Allman butter he could stand, which was provided for some reason to Ella Heem City directly by the now disgraced evangelist Tony Alamo, who is later convicted on child pornography. Charges may questions here, one. Why
Tony Alamo. Have so much expired omen butter? No idea to! Why
did Tony Alamo only give it to you
equally to follow him city and three was
giving it to more wide separatists communities, besides just Ella Game, said again what about, though, on a keyboard,
all my bundle of all bad expired element, but what is even expired omen not already really could be a thing added. No I mean I don't understand, is all omen thing. You can't melcombe, but that's all other governments, all things expire notes are omen. Milk, its own and buttered peanut butter made on omens yuck, eventually
Rossmore appointed himself head of Paris
military training and allocate city, while the people coming in and out of our team city were harcourt criminals? The standing force was pretty much just a bunch of teenagers marching around with shitty guns, trying to look in poor son uptight stead of tight vice Adam Viper
but a mustache usages. Oh that's not! This has not fallen, but there was this deal.
Sure just tell me cold,
can I call you nominating the as yet the air,
That's why I'm proud of you survive municipal each? Whatever is available earlier, these
As I mean, even though
It doesn't sound that impressive. There still scary, you know it's a bunch of guys with guns. They would definitely be able to do damage and they would definitely more all of us in any sort of fight, but we don't have
of guns examined a gunshot. This is how they begin, but these guys were definitely not the type of people there would be able to overthrow the United States. Government idea we're just goofy any were technically blown off steam and away there. You're just gonna run or we're exercises, but also
Strasbourg talked a biscuit big game when he showed up. He said he basically told them. I am working for the government, I'm a double agent, I'm workin for you, I'm gonna tell you with the government's. Meanwhile. He was also desperately still trying to work for the government, because we have got to follow him city. He told the d out.
You ever think. That's going on in here use ready to solve about per second, but they wouldn't have
I wonder why. No so one in marker Strauss, Meyer bought Mc Bays Desert
Storm uniform for two dollars insult Mcveigh, a night suppressed brought about this uniforms. I can cut off this leaves out. I can call off the leg pants and I make a sort of around him of lovely little rumpled and I condemn sums good time for my niece show my knees. My beautiful knees I most beautiful me is outside of Germany. Look
all the unlikely rural gear. Little men declarations sharp news of a to b
did over Waco I'll have a nice day. Walkin around the gun showed a gay or on a day, at the end of the day, Straws Maar gave Mcveigh accord with the phone number in the address of Ella Heem City, even though
stress. Meyer was only given the card by MILAN to ensure its rossmore didn't forget how to get back home here that Timothy
phone number weed out? We really don't know. Sir US morrows lookin to Recruit, refuses Lookin for a friend, but it was probably both were apparently stress. My air was told he would. He was apparently given a number of cards after the first one and he was he was looking for, select people according to him, which, if you and if you pass muster with straw, spire ha ha. You must be a true true member of the bakery movement. I think now received us right to me than they pay
probably spoke to Louis Beam rap.
You probably heard when by Louis Beams, desk breakers warnings, guttural good after some reasons, fucking networking, so we
October. There himself with them, so they grew bright network. Is there's not that many of them in their own hanging out with the same places, guess and yelling. At the same, like five, three
drew pound man and was skinny toothless woman. So now he met Strauss Meyer. Do things are certain come together? They are that bet you Louis Beam and people were
hockey met elbowing CD this entire time. Now you have a guy that essentially the Willy Wonka who's gonna, bringing the choice of entering I wanted. I kissed are pleased about this date. They had like sidewalks of New York. We know their hands justly browser, look at each other's eyes and they flew by like slam each other spaces into the pizza there eating his dad five point: seven miles of gun tables too long, why it so hard to open up its so hot
after another, because I've been hurt.
One time I dropped a bucket on my foot, so bad and I was like Guph buckets I'll, never trust anyone ever again
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will also at one in Mocker Mcveigh, hooked back up with Roger more the gun store owner, he'd met and four member, the candy store guy, the two:
shared a table over the weekend was all over more invited Mcveigh to visit his ranch in Arkansas, which more later came to regret.
A while they were there. They did a little light bartering, which was the whole style of the gun, show culture, Mcveigh, traded, his trusty white power shirt he'd gotten for free from his trial,
membership with the k, K, K for a smoke grenade and two fifty foot
thanks a few gotta heard made for a sure, yeah, I gotta, say you're, not grenade in the world still
but his transaction Timothy Mcveigh did a good job got more canadian smoke grenade stock.
It's about their tellingly its acre. After ten days it moors Ranch Mcveigh, moved on to Michigan to meet backup with its future convicted accomplice in April nineteenth bombing, Terry Nicholls,
he's just a little bit about Terry Nicholls. This is, he was the type a guy who
on, I run a clean called people sheep or in casual conversation. Also our fan base, as opposed to this man, who was obviously such an independent thinker. He could be convinced do anything he described himself ass, a quote non resident early on non foreigner and stranger to the current state of the forum
the current state of the forum, something dumb budgetary shut up.
Only do it because I choose to tarry shot out. Ok, Jerry Nicholls returned to the family farm in Michigan, from his hardship discharge from the army. He and his brother renounced their.
U S! Citizenship and decided. The federal government had no authority specifically
the authority to force Terry DE pays. Fuckin child support Israel because it seems, like the government, has a bad example of this. Is the strange been diagram of like Timothy Mcveigh and like the Anti WAR movement him like ITALY is almost a hippie of the early seventys in some ways it's really strange effect winner, Timothy Mcveigh was on death row years later. He actually
share to sell block with TED Kosinski Head Gusinsky,
scribe. Timothy Mcveigh, as liberal minded, wow became friends. He, of course, Doktor TED pouring I've ever TED shines that I actually feel bad for the concrete and it has to be like between them as they speak, legal that this stability may, when they anarchists could put great. It was written for the leftist movement, the nineteen sixties, but now it's used by the far right- and I am absolutely in one court appearance. Terry Nicholls sat at the door of the cor
room and shouted at the judge, because Nicholls believed that if he didn't enter the court room than the judge had no jurisdiction over and therefore couldn't make him do anything. You didn't have no power over me, George out here, you're we're wizard of law. You can't come at me on our salt around me area. The judge shut up all do
because I say to myself all during Terry, you shut up, listen to the judge. I won't listen. The judge all this in your self Terrio pilot shut up very good reason why Terry was a court. That day was because he had ran up credit card debts of almost twenty six
thousand dollars and then, when he got all the past due notice, is he said
those back to chase bag with the words dishonoured within
who cause hand written
easy now as good as Mummy his stupid as Jim here ever abdomen, dumber, he actually had the
integrity of that
May I also at Lamborghini right they're, not gonna hold on adapting did. Did he get in
Marlboro miles to be bought with a credit card to get the jacket though, but I would have gotten the raft, but I am afraid of rivers, and I would have gotten the jacket, but it's just warm I'm a sweater all the time. So instead I'll give this to the credit card companies
quality. If Mr Nichols, before a judge before it till you to shut up, I do it s
curtains cigarettes, did you buy with twenty six thousand? Oh man, it's like four
shut up, very hurried back to you shut up right Jerry. I guess we are incriminating ourselves up or look like a big ol SEC. Eighty, it's you and me a theory that is true, but this
scheme was under the direction of a local Michigan extremist preacher, name Ralph Dangle who told Terry that since the banks were back weren't backing up their cash with gold or silver, they were
actually defrauding people with every loan they made. In fact, when Chase Bank came after Terry Nicholls Nicholls argued in court
chase, actually owed him money, and that day,
immediately issue him fourteenth out
in two hundred ounces of silver for fraud and misrepresentation, rags I'll wait until he leads to get that Newski do earlier that I get these people all these better
reserve people that say that paper money is worthless because they are backed by gold and silver. Money is worth something because we have all decided. It is worth something just like Google over our country. If they were one Sunday, the gold had no intrinsic value before the modern age of electronics. Gold was always decision that we decided that words that they were going to use it for trade was wearing guided, redo. First of all, cash for gold- that's just- are actually really like, give us more cash and will give you less gold at such a great money. It's such a good scheme, but when they
when the? U S did chain from the gold standard and go with the confidence based economy. We have now a did. It was
extremely shocking to a lot of people yeah it. But that's the thing it was
was night. This is the early eighties. Rarely now you gotta find out they and we value we get used to the idea of transport. The wizard of OZ is really about was about the FED,
yes, I could see that it is the truth. Looked up with the osmium wizard of OZ,
We really are to have the wizard of OZ, meaning it
about the silver stand or because originally her shoes, when I Ruby, they were silver who she followed. The yellow brick road using
silver over here who have the wicked witch of the were like an arrow UK, see video, but I'm new, inefficient, again run down. Do which was the juice shock in these people might think that, while, in other words, making up Mcveigh Nicholls, these guys reflect Mps in a pot in the Nicholls family Farm was the perfect place for Mugabe to hang out for a while, especially since Michigan in the early nineties was too militias what Seattle was too Grunge TIM here's a cup of coffee and enjoying it yes good. But tell me what, if I told you that
coffee ought actually folders crystals stabs in thirty four entitled as well.
Oh shut up, very only because you tell me you listen to my family, bays and Mcveigh and Nicholls became so close that Mirror Faye, who you are
member, was Nicholls mail order. Bride started getting jealous of their relationship, but that still didn
Murphy from having a brief affair with Timothy Mcveigh the next year I wanna vomit in my mouth thinking about this sleep
with him the heavy ass. His idea of the above him talking we'll get to his flirting style. You in a minute see the longer the Mcveigh Nicholls hung out the more Mcveigh realized he could get Nicholls to do whatever he wanted him to do. Somebody was the cock, let alone, as the rooster say, cut cut up early. Ninety ninety three under Mcveigh orders Nicholls took a ten
Our round trip Michigan to Pendleton New York, drive to pick up a tv, a baseball, glove, some cooking utensils and a bunch
sand bank. This is kind of like the way what little mermaid collected you go, get aerials collection and bring it back to put the Burma. The illegals is without question. This is like I was that making the band p did
he made a walk over the Brooklyn Bridge and get him cheesecake adapters any even went further than that. One day
they wanted to show Nicholls what it had been like to get shot at during the Gulf WAR, because Nicholls had begged out on a hardship discharge right before war was declared. This is it,
I think that we are twelve year olds deal here. This is a bad day for Terry Nicholls, yeah, yeah, Mcveigh, technicals out no a field pointed a router assault, Rifle Adam and said when I count Euro
oh, and proceeded to pull the old West, make em dance routine on Terry Nicholas I'll. Only do it because I'm telling myself to do it very lives dance because he will kill you after he fucks our no matter. What there's always one point.
Where I actually don't hate the supervillain there. We're talking about yeah and that's kind of funny submitting to hear him pickles tat, lady rented, a cowboy salute so a couple of weeks,
Big. They arrived in Michigan. The siege in Waco ended, as we all know, with the raid follow
the fire which destroyed the compound and killed every one in sight.
And all this should happen on live television Mcveigh, whilst all happen at the Nicholls family Farm with
as nickel said tears in his eyes and the last straw for Timothy Mcveigh was when the eighty have raised their agencies flag over there.
Judge of the compound which in hindsight probably was a little tat, lovely exactly ass, that building teabag it was. It was, of course, after Waco, the Mcveigh decided that something had to be done. He just hand decided what or hadn't
told by some one else. What that something was gonna beat yeah Mcveigh continued on the gunshot circuit, but the items he was selling them by and took on a different tone.
He picked up his infamous six simpered Tirana, shirt and started sullen other shirt with pictures of the Waco Compound burning and
words, Federal Bureau of Incineration printed underneath the thing is, I would buy
This means he told me so maybe shirts Rosa he sold. Eighty five heads with bullet holes punch
through the logo, and this is actually a pretty fucked up dangerous when he handed out cards with the name and address of the FBI sniper who killed, pick
Weaver Ruby read by so this is Fourchan giving it were tat, holy shit yeah. This wild is really is yeah.
I also would never want to do anything like home, invade a sniper really going to Jerry the pay as you prepare for a bigger sniper. Never sleeps in his own home leaves a hundred yards from his actual back. Always it it s exactly, but the one thing, Timothy Mcveigh sold more than anything else, was copies of a video called Waco. The big lie, which essentially became mic vase Newt
or die because all we know what we know is the big lie is the amount of chips they put Doritos back. How much error in his back see up, though the video itself is full of lies and half truths. That blood placed the blame for everything that happened.
In Waco solely on govern agents. Yes, government ages, fucked up a lot: the F b I fucked up a ton and actually do,
some very mean spirited, specifically harmful thanks to those people inside
the bridge. The videos also hold a lot of fun
responsibilities, although or at the very least David correction?
it's a lotta responsibility for what happened there and make vague, didn't just keep all this Waco talk to gunshots.
In the summer of ninety. Ninety three Mcveigh took a security job and king in Arizona or Michael forty. I live in one night. Mcveigh asked coworker. If you could show you something
workers. It sure I give a shit shut out the hour. I would find it just get away from me. Yes, Mcveigh went out to his car and brought back a tv and a vcr. That's Edward said it all up in their office, so he can have a little screen of his Waco video he's a Greece's bugs Bunny, then actually Mcveigh had actually asked his boss. If it was a
hey for him to do that. Nobody like no, absolutely not tell can't take you, but you can go to your tv. Vcr inherent show people stupid, fuck and make a video about Mcveigh was such a rebel that he did it anyway. I think you're losing sight of our amazing. It is VHF S anti
I might just not it's one system Mcveigh started being a pain in the ass. In other ways, too, he changed his out
going machine message every week, or so
to him. Reading excerpts from Patrick Henry's. Writing like give me liberty or give me death, was not as in Riva men at the be. U S, governments complicit us up no murder and havoc rush to also
started. Writing letters to his sister Jennifer, who at this point was
Her evens do a name,
Jello Wrestling outside Buffalo Guide is a respectable job here. Anyone in Buffalo to her, I completely agree in its better its best.
No modestly, its debts taken
better than being a buffalo bill. Would you
you can win a dead irrelevant, just a jello wrestling and these letters
were nothing but bullshit for exam.
But in one letter Mcveigh claim that he was a part of a CIA drug smuggling mission and had worked as a paid government assassin, and he told Jennifer
watch lethal weapon for more information on both sheep dip, where maybe, who sheep data by the CIA, which means they got rid of his instead of being done
instead of failing his green berets test is that he actually tested so well, and this is it be when they say that a conspiracy theories bleed
it's so well, but he was put into an elite group of people because it IQ was so high that they put him in this group. That date, they basically got rid of
all history of the rest of his servants. They got rid of social security number. The get rid of all I all official business, and they put him on
over ops that he went out there and he had to bomb a Federal reserve building any sort of fat building from the inside as a white supremacist. In order to spark the war to knock out these far right group a. Why went to see a recruit, someone who looks like the racist uncle from Peter Peter had a racist uncle. The thing was
Jennifer Mcveigh believed all this ship if she thought that the only way her brother could have become so angry, and so radicalized was it. The government had done something to impersonally to make.
That's what she was six years younger than ever, and this also this coming tells yet. The effect of this shit has on family archives. Jennifer Mcveigh was six years younger than Timothy Mcveigh. She looked up to him and she thought the only where her brother could have turned into
the monster was, if somebody had turned him into this monster, specifically someone like the government so
you're telling me Timothy Mcveigh was so articulate, and so can I had so much conviction he was able even able to convince
a nude jello rather than he was a former see, I wanna see. I thought if you had couple ounces of yellow up your butt hole in your hand, your pussy hole at any given time that would make you less gullible, hireling weirdly, more like wise. I agree
I also started telling Jennifer he now considered himself and outlaw. This is
but he wrote one letter in the past
Do you see the news and see a bank robbery and judge him as a criminal
Federal reserve and the banks are the real criminals, so where's the crime and get Neve we're at war. With the system made no mistake about it, we
the fund, all war efforts with sometimes covert means
I mean. Meanwhile, his drink in a slur be fill in
his car at a gas station growing on roads that the taxpayers pay for its believe. What Timothy Mcveigh met by cover was Bank- Rob, yes and in fact,
December of ninety, ninety three Mcveigh gave Jennifer three one hundred.
Our bills that he said came from a bank robbery. He helped plan and it Mcveigh was involved with any bank robbery gang. It would most likely been a group
Dip sheds named the area Republican Army now can remember this is, but this has been an idea that has been in white supremacist groups for a long time using the bank robbery system in order to fund there.
Buying guns there, their planning by food gettin toilet paper
I bet agile luxury similar through just eaten, expired opened by the eight hour. It was about
robbery gang whose explicit purpose was to fund
revolutionary cause of white supremacist Morgeson we'll have to stop there because they call themselves the aura. The real gather aura yet Nelega sent back from the glade plugging the aura, no fuckin, it's the already play their stupid fucking game, I'm actually surprise a orisons, much more masculine and yes or I don't know any color aura sounds like it is depressing. Yes, they were inspired by the eighties NEO Nazi Bank Robbery gang the order who had named themselves after a terrorist cell and what the fuck else the Turner Diary agenda,
of nineteen, only five, the core members of the eight hour I got drunk in film, a recruitment, video called the area.
Republican Army presents the armed struggle underground and stuff, like its little guy with a gas mask on run like a view,
We demand yourself Verona Hand grenade view better. Ask yourself double the question: can I am myself? Shall yeah yeah you're fucking? Visibly you lookin at me. You forget pieces shod. What makes the snow man a man is declared Dick I'd, say no, Sir white skin away the snow axemen repeated and becomes the rendering civilians oxygen. The rhetoric of this shit. I mean it is scary, they do say very scary ship, but really it's like a Campi ISIS Recruitment, video but thou.
Masks and talk tough, but the guy.
Speaks the most still calls himself commander, Pedro always with the shit. Seemingly we're really cool like Liberia and civil. Those weird like a Congo Army rebel, guys we're wasting like captain Superman and shit like that of general bug, naked Yahoo com,
Pedro real name, was PETE Langen, who unbeknownst to
ultra right wing brethren was privately transsexual. Named Dunham Mcclure, who dated a woman named Cheryl that she had met at a new year's Eve church makes this is a television show them make yours? If you are an area and bankrupt,
that is a transsexual. It's incredible, so
Was there an operation and he was
but when he was finally arrested.
finger. Nails were all painted and all the hare had been shaved from his body. He looks good, he looked pretty
german data. We would you dress on when he was done. All I see so he did not have a job. It was not a woman. The transitional, may I just like to address you to crawl eyes. It was argued royal navy. Remover tat was actually on his way. He wanted to get the sex change opera. I was one of the reasons why he was right. He was like dog day afternoon is interesting as yet he was dog day afternoon in the whole thing, but how
he's doing that covertly
After having rely, nor do I normally sprinkle is also possible that the eight hour ray and the entire Ella Heem City operation knew about that his transsexual identity with, but will
about that on the day of the Oklahoma City bombing itself? This is a phase is like when he went through his Macro Mayfair hundreds of face Lankans body. In the eight hour a video was a man named Richard Guthrie Guthrie was kicked out of the Navy and nineteen. Eighty,
read for painting a swastika on the side of a ship and for threatening disappear off. It is not a short idea. He died a navy ship with the swastika in a very bad. I saw picture of its very badly drawn swastika too. That's one thing a bit, I kind of tat. I think it's funny about why power movements at swastikas deceptively hard to do well yeah, and they never do it right. Oh no, it always let eighty unless they have like a stenzel, but most of them. Don't you see,
you can see LE gave that when someone tries to spray painless whilst got a lot of times like they fuck up and they have to like Canada like exit out, I cover it up and then try again and saying that the majority of flowers they see if you ever see a flower graffiti, there was a swastika. The Langen report rightly described Richard Guthrie as a cross between TED Bundy and ten gusinsky. Double TED slits at Gonna be like
not handsome could be handsome head Kosinski ruins that DNA. If Kosinski, would it cleaned up, he would have looked old oak. I mean he looked. He looked like a vaguely attractive, mathematics per
circuses, Guinea Randy Quaid. He did a lonely when he was clean shaven. He did look like Randy Quaid between Langen Guthrie in a couple of other Recruit
The aid already carried out twenty two bank robbery, jobs in two years, totalling a court
of a million dollars in line with the media.
Dubbing them the MID West Bank robbers. And while there is no concrete evidence that the air
and they were linked. They did travelled the
same gun, show circuit and we're all in Arizona in early one thousand, nine hundred and ninety five. If Mcveigh was robbing banks with anyone, it was these guys.
Certainly got a hold of a lot of a hundred dollar bills and ninety nine three somehow and I seriously doubt it was from selling Waco videos and goofy fuckin bumper sticker fifty cents, a key areas involving the our era anywhere super secretive about who was involved. Then again, it was also very much. They did not use names, they would do shit like that, where they would meet up any would have code names in separate and a part of it was so that they can
ever links. Somebody in u else which comes from the teachings of Louis Beam around
same time them and they might have been Poland Bank jobs. The array tragedy struck at the Nicholls Household C O.
Come with me Rafay and Terry Nichols with Mara Phase Toddler Son Jason Jason was the product of a tryst that Mehrrafiee had with a boyfriend that she got between the time that Nichols met her and when he came back to pick her up to take her to a mare
net boyfriends name was Joe Joe annually to Florida and technically he is now the spokesperson for the American Papaya company. Robotic you up so one day according
to the story. While Mcveigh was staying at the Nicholls House, Jason suffocated on a plastic bag. He found in a big box of Bananas. Terry had insisted, be stored
in the toddlers route. Technically, it is an area in good luck. Charm. I did you put a bag of bananas in and childs room. No, not a bag of bananas are bought by the lack of an AIDS, a bottle of agriculture. That is why so many banana eyes- ITALY. They created a box in each bed, bunch
and, as was in his eyes, how many they are aware of how they got me, wait fruit, flash. Secondly, why? How
it's a banana last. What are we gonna do
seventeen minutes how many bananas they celebrate, much needed entire box of a bag of banana, maybe all they were eating, was banana stats disgusting. The official line was that the death was accident, but some speculate
was possibly Mcveigh himself, who killed Jason to see if he had it in em to snuff out the life of a child. Although this was a year and a half before the bombing,
eh Mcveigh hadn't even seen the mirror building. At this point, I think,
Let's go a little bit too far by adding that Mcveigh, because that's that
theory of a gamble who rode Oklahoma City, what the investigation miss and he d I mean the book- is actually fantastic and gets seriously, but the story that were telling here we're talking about a quarter of the full story of
with him. They end these white supremacist groups, but still gambled does make a couple of jobs. I don't got it into big chickweed of bananas and how many children have they kill all other than an followed the banana. Now I dont think that the key did ass. I am
holding the already killed, because again he killed the king Kitticut some far off. I never expected to do this.
We never got can murder a child, because that was not in his Emma there's. Somebody wanted to do it out to dumb of a thing to plan yeah like so unfairly.
Of ninety. Ninety four. After this whole debacle, Mcveigh returned to king meant to visit Michael Forty, eight there at the two decided to re
a local national guard armoury after hearing rumours that the new world order was stockpiling weapons there, possibly the famed gear
but that is french. You need that is for a broader telling in imagining rituals and open up the pyramids hop as now. They of course found nothing there and they ran away when they heard a truck come and the guilty thing is the dumbest thing. I've ever heard people still talk about the government getting thousands of deities supply. Would they do it that way? You deaf can follow. Theatin I'll. Take you to the bananas which takes you where to the open butter ago that girls, like trucks, are commonly scampered away, but on their way they did manage
to steal and acts a pick and shovels score want no garden safe, weak. They and forty eight also according to Mcveigh, started playing around with explosives. For the first time. A biggest thing they experimented with was a pipe bomb which they used to try to blow up a big rock, but they only managed to move
the thing a couple- and it is they wanted to worry about.
A big could play
look. I put a little ahead. Auditors, like our Yama gone. Now, we can blow in Louisiana gone on air. Terry shut, the fuck up there.
Shockingly stupid, has ever heard of a double thing. Let's go blue.
Of that rock. At some you doing you're, like fifteen, like I did that
actually knew a kid in high school who had the anarchists cookbook, and he was all a proxy really good at building piebald should tell it was I get bored up? A tv is for you to get old televisions and taken to a field, and we blow up does a good job, and you know the Erica's cook. Look at her father was, you can get, is more rocks if you're Blob Iraq, interesting, more you're making rocks create economies are being castle, but this old, the bar, this whole thing has been blown up brought a pipe.
And failing by the way. This is a sticking point for a lot of people being included. How did Mcveigh go from barely be unable to build a pipeline to constructing a complicated to fuse seven thousand pound truck bomb in just a little over
practice practice practice. Hardy all was Mcveigh, really that smart
I have to say boy: did he get how so as ninety ninety four marched on Mcveigh started? Cuttin ties to people, he thought weren't dedicated enough to cause here's an excerpt from twenty three page letter. Mick
I wrote to his childhood friends Steve again. If you do read the eternal diaries and I will not recommend that you do. But if you do, you realize that all of the tall all of this tone everything
idea that he had is taken directly from Turner diaries. He writes
like Earl, eternal, speaks in the book
I know in my heart that I am right in the Struggle Steve. I've come to peace.
With myself, my god, my cause,
Blood will flow in the street Steve
good versus evil
Three men versus socialists want to be slaves
pray. It is not your blood! My friend, I haven't
doctor you in fifteen years may I probably should adjust. I didn't,
after Reggio not about twenty pages, seems I gotta give your warning you. May I offer you a family? It s getting disregard the letter. They do
This is a letter that Timothy Mcveigh wrote to a former romantic pursuit: hey gorgeous proof
revenue I could take an but
is my Andrews anyway.
If you ever need anything, let me no one, someone
blown up, etc. To shoulder three refuge bore,
fertilization from good stock. When the clock starts Dick,
I'll always listen, don't hesitate
drop me alive,
people, may change superficially. Bernard underneath. Remember that take air Merry Christmas,
so one was? I will blow people out, for you I'll, kill you and then it was just like if you need to grow
Therefore, it is very strange range of emotions, everyone into idea of saying it was easy to confer on stock as such a dumb shit like I said it's weird area in power. They I don't understand it when the clock starts taken so that give it you haven't, found good area in stock rivalry. Banana pause. You need, if you just need a fuck in hand,
com in Timothy Mcveigh is gonna. Give you see, I can give you at least the thimbleful. Isn't that does any woman of any strike racist or not want to be sweet
like the big, so our governments- absolutely not so in the sun.
Of ninety. Ninety four Mcveigh decided that he and Nicholls should go into the gun, show business together, but instead
of selling guns. Tim's idea was that they could by fifty pound
Bags of ammonium nitrate and self
smaller bags to explosives aficionado. I like the idea of calling terrorist just explosive officially, and I asked her why who knows what it was just dumb sheds guns,
because there is this, there is a rumour going around that the government was about to outlaw ammonium nitrate, so they bought up
a bunch of it and but Sir, what they did. These were just big bags of fertilizer. They bought it feeds stores and they put him into these smaller little canisters and try to sell an impact and Terry Nick. It's not bags. It's not all my life shit, it's ammonium nitrate, but are actually very dangerous by the way gap. Tearing Nicholls actually tried doing this at a gunshot.
No one bought it and in fact there one guy
interviewed, said that Terry Nicholls was the only dumb ass he ever did see. Do it also? The government was thinking about bandit because idiots like Timothy Mcveigh, that, where you are using it for two weapon eyes at in this, is that this is their first big bulk ammonium nitrate purchase. This is their first big step towards
the Oklahoma City bombing, whether they were getting help for it or not. This is like his version of Herbert Life yet and of little policy. Firstly, I wish to start, but what really put the plan into high gear for Timothy Mcveigh was the ten year assault Rifle Band President Clinton signed in September of nineteen. Ninety four
which nickel said, Mcveigh saw as the prophecy of the Turner diaries coming true right before his eyes, and that is aware will pick backup for the conclusion of Oklahoma City, which is sense
spires, we have more guns than people in this country. Guns are not going anywhere yeah. Well that
is the greatest story ever is only in there that there are more characters that work it introduced on the next to episode and introduce did is May Han and Carol. Shall I own general has John DOE number two we ve got theirs,
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