On the conclusion to the series, we cover the infamous voice that overtook both girls in the Hodgson home, the levitation that shocked a nation, and the unfortunate excreta development that finally drove the family to the edge.
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You can get you exploit if you're a chill mall you get you waste. All my shock collar come to to your your doing your Mckean, even if you're in the middle of your Martina, and he puts you out on a call, he puts you out of work and you make it personal. You ready so like that you're going to deliver up to the big dog right and you don't roll up with your homies man, get your wig split, there's so many ways. I can't wait to see you when you need to be incarcerated so bad. I would love to watch you in jail. All right is the.
Last podcast on the left, everyone I am Ben, been canceled
as part hey. I guess recently released from prison Henry's around ski. You gotta get your back up against the wall, so you only have to defend three sites. Are you gonna make a shank got a toothbrush? You could make a weapon out of a sock in a lock. It's called the stock in a lot. I'm going to tell you this that's gone honestly, cancel. Why would be such a big benchmark for them number? I do
Of course they would, in the rooms, are eleven by six for the most part. So I can't even lay down either direction anyway. Why is it called you could think about a kiss or what they call you like the question mark? Oh my gosh yeah, exactly we look like royalty with spinal Bifida's. Alright, let's get to the end bill. Let's get to the Enfield Poltergeist part, two, it's only spooky or from here now we pick the story back up in December of nineteen. Seventy seven, just three months after the haunting began in sixteen months before it would end, and things would only get worse for the Hudson family from here, the poltergeist appeared to be getting more powerful. As
with the iron grate of the fireplace that we talked about in the last episode, the one that almost hit the little boy in the head. Oh yeah, the poltergeist open the metal door of the refrigerator so hard that it hit the hot ST stove and left a large dent
do we know for a fact that norm from cheers wasn't just drunk and in their house at midnight.
No he's an American. It was
Oh, I see I apologize, but it would do innocuous things as well, such as when it lifted a pile of folded. Clothes off the
kitchen table and tossed him five feet away to the floor still neatly folded. All in the plain view of gross play fair and the.
And you would believe the oh crumbs were heard across the neighborhood. There is also poltergeists are very naughty, but not evil.
Yeah? That's the thing we talk about all the time. Is it when you, when you cover poltergeist, is that these normally do things that are very kinda, like Miss tvs when the
do it to annoy you very juvenile huh, it's very juvenile. It's like, and they say it's like there's a child in the room except you
I could be sitting on your lap. Definitely not wait. Do you want children to be sitting in your life? Why would you go down this road markets? Do not want it too right
fairly soon after JANET's picture, drawing exhibition with the Brazilians she
and sister Margaret started sharing dreams yelling at each other, in their sleep and in one incident, Margaret
Don't you tell me your things running about destroying things but
got a flood. That's a cute little rhyme play fair
snooze that the girls weren't faking as they are performed the enterprise.
If it was anyone else, sleeping tests on him, such as forcing their eyelids apart and tickling their armpits. Just thank God for these kids. They didn't wake up
In that fight, is it but no just making sure you were sleeping? I was asleep before you open my island. A does. He mean appropriate, but all from the S p all so. This is that this is a part of all all exercises and I need to
Talking all of out of her belly potter and if she doesn't respond, she's asleep. Let me just just go sleep it'll go trancing. Would you stop treating me like
Human Place, but they did find that the girls would answer quest
during these dream, Episodes Margaret was asked just what those ten
little things running about destroying things were to which
He replied, number aligning set by number two
little girl, three Sebago
always a very young gal about face. Kane five is that vary. I will die a day. Six is a young
Savini skin on table. Eighteen, eight is an old man
now. What know a eyes is
face. I know
he's going away,
scary, with number nine, basically, a DMV line and
suddenly said the name Frank Watson Watt
How many times have I woken up? In the night? Frank Watson? Oh Frank, Watson, Watson was the same name that JANET had written underneath the picture of the wooden bleeding from her throat member from the end of last episode, and when Margaret was asked who Watson was
It said the man who died in the chair downstairs Stag, as it creepy
see it's cute, it's creepy like that, but if you say it be like
Leading a tour around downtown London yeah, the spooky
tell us in public housing. The neighbors later confirmed that Frank Watson had indeed died in a chair from a brain hemorrhage in the living.
Wow. I gotta say that is how you want to go.
The boy aneurysm your resume awesome gas. Now that they had proved that they could use the
conscious to, at the very least, glean information from the entity. Playfair decided to hypnotize JANET to see if he
Get anymore information to do this. He brought
Spr member, Dr Ian Fletcher. Now, apart from being a hypnotist Doctor Fletcher,
Was a surgeon and a member of the magic circle which
it's a british organization dedicated to the advancement of the art of illusory magic with a c not to be confused with ritual magic with a k? Thank you dog,
Thank you again always say that, because it comes down to yes, there are parlor tricks, all right.
Tricks. There are things that could be used for deceive Minton and for amusement, but then there are other things for used for accentuating your ability to make things happen in your reality.
Hi Dan. This man, who is just really good at making coins, appear out of children. I get the feeling that all of the elastic on his underwear is overstretched, and I don't know why. Yes, very large men, so Doctor Fletcher drew JANET into a trance and started asking questions. The first
questions are mostly about what had been happening in the house over the last few months in JANET's answers all matched up with the evidence and testimony at hand, then Fletcher asked a
the bunkers often point towards as proof that the girls were faking the whole. Damn thing when Dr Fletcher asked, if JANET New, who
causing all the activity, she said
me and my sister, but people who use this as proof are completely ignoring
all the answers JANET gave following this one, when Fletcher asked why she
thought she and her sister were to blame. She said down now. Fletcher then asked who started the trouble, and JANET said: none of us and
Fletcher asked what the case of the trouble was JANET
Incredibly sad, I'm almost wondering if the government needs to go, maybe take the kids away. I still see you know yeah, I'm not saying I'm not saying that it just seems like it's cancerous, so sad or just depressed. You can't take away children for being too alright. Alright, that's true! That's because nanny state stuff, I got it whatever.
Nicknames of London is foggy old, London town. It is a foggy sad place. An increase in happiness is expected to feel like it mostly should talk,
Fletchers immediately being like well, you should probably
stiff upper lip 'cause. It only gets worse than this can't wait till you have to line up a tea bags when we were in world war. Three minutes like pull it about like drag it out of the house. Janet then said something surprising now, according to her
answers. She never really paid much mind to Maurice gross and guy play for it, despite them being almost const
fixtures in her life for the
is three months. She actually she said there her.
Answer, is kind of implied that she regarded him almost as just furniture. She didn't even really seem to have much interest in the paranormal even after
of questions and attention record regarding the activity JANET still prefer to the pole.
Geist, as the polka dice, the Pocono,
is. He reminds me of growing up in Wisconsin when you were allowed to be drunk at eight as long as you're wearing a kilt Boca dices are really fun. It's a really fun dice game to play unless you get snake eyes and then you have to blow old uncle Gorski. It's not good
I used to wear a lot of lederhosen growing up. You wouldn't believe it did you. Oh yeah. We had a full lederhosen as a family. Really we have a follow, my god, it's adorable. I have to see how much I want to see it. Yet we were a cute family. Did you come over? They like handed down from family? No, I think they were bought specially for US kids, part of a simulated into our german culture. You don't have to scrape the little S is awful. Thank you. Henry! Well, really we're talking about right now, we're talking about God,
play Paramore Reece gross being regarded by JANET
as merely like pieces of furniture, just something that she has to deal with, but this is only,
three months into the whole thing? So, as we talked about in the last episode in JANET kind of treating these guys as father figures,
around for well over for almost two years, so it could be that that relationship developed as
put on an as we'll see that relationship does in fact develop. Now, following the hypnotism session, the entity began bending spoon
as was the style at the time. In the late
A self proclaimed psychic named URI Geller got famous for going on tv and bending spoons. Seemingly with his mind. He currently uses this power to sell
and flex. In the U K. I think this is one of hey of yours in the entire haunting as the spoon bending yeah. That is a thing that I think that she watched on tv and she did it because they had very thin silverware, because this was
working Class United Kingdom yep they're. Not
This is, they did not have the heavy China yeah the queens,
Silver Ware There- and this is like one thousand nine hundred and seventy seven. So ship was really
really bad in the UK at this time. So the poltergeist or JANET
depending on who you ask, took a cue from the spoon
sending craze and started Ben
Spoons all around the House, Peggy Hudson,
actually saw it happen with their own eyes twice with each spoon bending in exactly the same spot, so they fit together,
That's the interesting part about the spoon bending, but that's also, if you believe, Peggy Hearts.
No, it was very exact and also if it's is
with the notes, possibly left by JANET that kind of sh it like it's a very
complicated hoax. Janet needs to be some sort of.
A genius when she goes to sleep
for this to work? Yeah I mean like she was a very strange little girl yeah. You wonder if the you know, there's a there's, a spoon bender in town
but then someone comes in bend in sports and then that out of business, but sports are usually plastic.
In a lighter well this right here after the spoon bend,
This is when the infamous voice began.
Now. As we said in our last episode when the hearts and family was on holiday to Clacton on Sea, Peggy had been awoken in the middle of the night by the sound of a dog barking coming from her children's book,
Will it rain in December of nineteen
Seven, the noises came home. It began as a company.
Loud whistles and barking coming from JANET's vicinity, although the noises didn't seem to have been made by JANET her
self, they always seem to be coming from behind her. Did they see any New York City construction workers here at in New York City? I mean, I know the whistling, but you ever had one bark at you
I honestly get catcalled all the time from from construction workers had called you skip: hey big Guy, big guy.
But some of them you can tell- or just like I'd like to ask you what is the date because the social standards and homosexual it would be a dish not looked upon positively within the community that I'm currently working with. I cannot actually hit on you, but I can't say you play basketball. I got barked at by a construction worker and it was an attempt to scare me
it happens to all of Us- will concerning JANET whistling JANET, had put
really large teeth at this
This is what I'm saying like you know like when I hit puberty my hands and my feet were the first thing to grow my hands and my feet are still at six foot tall still grossly.
Outside, for my body are, but they were the first things to grow when I hit puberty, so I was about six inches shorter, with JANET the
thing to grow on her with her teeth like a mule like a mule, wow
She she is so more were to a mule and she's got like an old english man's mouth inside of a little girl's body. Well, according to play
there are these gigantic teeth made it impossible for her to whistle while she can't winter live E. You're going to you're going to have to chisel these down bottle, whistle, pool gold, she'll never be able to play with art. Garfunkel is trying to shave him down like like the toenails of Jim Carrey in dumb and dumber, but play for groceries and that if the poltergeist could make noise, then it could ostensibly speak and so contact was made
present at the first communication, aside from close some gross and play fair were two other Spr members named Anita Gregory.
And John Beloff. Here is audio from that. First attempt at communication
hi, my nine one, five one nine that number one more right hello. I want to say that from there he is right doctor, but all right, Sheikh, Dr Great great,
We talking now Sally Doctor Bella, come on. I won't say it well: we got to bed on that that that out, ooh, that's scary, stuff, yet that voices coming from an eleven year old girl, the marks
the voice, that's all coming from a little girl,
did the same thing right with the person that did the voice for the exorcist was. It was a woman that they had
strapped to a chair, and she
to change smoke, they would put cigarettes in her mouth to make her chain smoke and they did give her feet. Are raw eggs? Do Alicia in tortured her and, as they're saying it's very difficult for this voice?
we've been made by a little girl special. If you listen to JANET's real voice. If you watch the interview when they did
the actual the real footage that exists from the BBC when they were first investigating a haunting.
We just sound like a mini vacation talks to cry
it's not. She did not have the
abilities of the Henry's, a brow ski. Why is the very la come on come on him Reza Brodsky? Let's sees a little bit of poltergeist action here.
Add a days
get me outside of this little girl. I don't. This is a legal, it's illegal for me to be inside this little girl, technically in the ghost realm that is allowed so, and so this was. This was JANET that this makes this noise was coming from JANET this noise.
Voice and Anwyl here even more from her okay, ok, further questions revealed the name Joe
when Ms Lott said Frank and Joe, what Frank and Joe are double what, and when Mr
bottom, was told by Maurice gross that he was dead and should move on.
Very forcefully, I might add, grow Scott
well placed fuck off for his troubles. Wow yeah,
did manage. Think it said folk off you with its favorite saying. That's all I would say
offer this is
great, so it's sort of maybe it's a bit of a Tourette syndrome, or something like that. Well, we're going to get into that. Actually that
That is very much something that we're going to get into. The big rub here, at least at first, was that the voice only
came when Maurice Gross was out of the room or when no one was looking at JANET, but the thing
is doing that voice for hours at a time which JANET was sometimes known to do would have left anyway
throat raw, especially the throat of a twelve year old.
But she was never here cell. She never cleared her throat. She didn't call off even me, just doing the voice. Just then it's very difficult for me to do. It still hurts and I smoke and drink and and live a terrible life, and it's very difficult for me to do even try like I'm. Try
like a little kid the maids cigarettes I never want to hear you say that again looks good. It's he also like Carrie Fisher right
How do I create been here? Appealing you, try you try. You try poltergeist voice, she little girl that smokes cigarettes all the time and drinks Modello's and I hit on tall men who I'm working construction sites got any gum. Now gotta go
either JANET was getting secret, ventriloquism lessons after school or
I've never say that again. There is even more apparent if you're, a parent of a kid, though, and you're just like they're not coming home on time after school. What's going on, they smoking weed there, smoking cigarettes do in dope, and there's like
been trill lessons we thought, wait! A second. Are these races puppets?
well either it was that or there was
even weirder, going on the whistle
in particular, is interesting. Now I didn't know this, but sometimes whistling accompanies possession such as it did
case the Devil of Moscow Home in sixteen.
And that is the story that we need to do an entire episode on it's an incredible story. There's all this none fuqing in it. It's not lesbian nuns and like a pre such as common in stick, it is like trying him out, like he's, like
and perfumes at a mall. He loves these none. No, we might have actually covered that now that I remember it seems like we've covered the devil of must call before. I think it was on the black monk of Pontefract case. I think we mentioned it briefly. Well, we'll have to go back and listen to the audio or Henry gets audibly I aroused and we'll find out. If we were covering that subject or not well, what I didn't know
about that case, though, is that that case at the same?
question of loud whistling into a horse board voice speaking through a young girl, and it is doubtful that JANET Hodgson knew about the Obscur possess,
in case from the 17th century, and there was another story in Brazil. At the same exact thing. We see this story like they are tropes for a reason. Now the idea
Louise isn't things moving around building to a voice coming out of a central person? That's located. That is essentially the what the poltergeist is attached to it, it's very common now, but it and that and back then there was not a lot of books. You, in order to find those books, you had to be a Dan Aykroyd. You need
be someone who's obsessed with it. You need to be working for a working
at the Spr you'd have to do to know where to find this material. Well, I me actually, would it Peggy hearts and did actually go to the library and find a book on ghosts, but it was pretty rudimentary stuff and she just took it back to a site not need to make an end date. I haven't seen a main stage, dressed
yeah. Basically, we go lay back in the day and never seen a man with a seat on, because I tell you one thing: I see a man with a sheet on first thing I say: is it claim? Is it clean? So I can include it in there in the next page because the water is getting or alright. So you want to return. This thing just want to return the library book you didn't like the library book, you got any legs regularised. Any buckets
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Gregory and Anbal off who were present at the bark bark run rum
worlds. Dumbest bark, bark, bark, rum, rum. Yes, they wrote a note to play fair growth, saying that the girls were most likely Hulk sing everyone an had been from the beginning.
To be a common occurrence. In this case, people would show up for a day, sometimes no more for no more than
four hours make snap judgments and declare the whole thing a hoax. Despite the note play, Faron Gross continued
they found that the next time they contacted the voice. It referred to itself as bill rather than Joe Joe said. The reason why he was repeatedly throwing JANET from the bed was because that was where he slapped this falls in line with Peggy's claims that she had seen. Bed sheets fly up.
Bad, followed by the indentation of someone sleeping on JANET's bad? When the girls were off at school now, Playfair tried various tricks to see if he could get JANET in the voice.
At the same time, he got Bylina sing along to Daisy Daisy and play fair to the JANET, could switch from her own voice to the entities voice. Without me,
sing? A beat the sorted singing daisy, Daisy, Daisy, Daisy, Daisy, Daisy, true british song that everybody knows because they're forced to know like twenty songs in the UK you know drinking songs, you know fighting songs, you know fucking songs. You know little kids songs that you get them this thing, while you're, fucking and fighting it seems like daisies, yeah yeah, it's very simple: it's not like it's like it's the end of the world as we know it or anything like that. It's not a complicated, so that is the most complicated song in the world, though, as
learn from watching Tommy boy. Yes, absolutely, but the it's true the started talking the they were getting this reporter with the voice and if any
you're sitting. There JANET's got their back to them right and there
that's what they would do in order to talk to her. They would just turn her around and she would talk at them and
daisy, daisy and literally you just see her shoulders back and forth going like do
Give me your answer too, like a weirdass Slipknot record
and there's a serial according to put their laughing, because I think it's the funniest thing in the world, which is another just being like. What's happened
This house is not funny and then there, like this rendition of Daisy Daisy, is going to be huge in Iowa and they had this thing here to worship. Bill started laughing bills go back, but then JANET slap into going, and they said they were just
active separated from each other so and they were started laughing together in harmony like one little girl. I really wish we had audio of this, but unfortunately our resources I eat Youtube only got
a few minutes of the hours upon hours of audio the grows in Playfair recorded? But what we do have is still pretty damn: cool
here's Maurice's son, Richard asking the entity a question about itself. Tell me what do you remember what happened to you when you're done just before you draw it, but just know right day, yeah
It is yeah yeah, yeah, hello, yeah yeah. She is so that is that's coming from JANET from eleven year old girl, my goodness, this is a it's incredible.
What you do here too, is you hear a marble drop as well? They talk about
this is happening, remember. Well. All this is happening even if she is fucking around. Even the tiniest bit. Yeah marbles are
falling from the ceiling legos are shooting across the room drawers.
Opening this ship has not stopped. These people have
top ten months chairs or flipping they're sitting there in there watching this little girl, even if she's pretending she's going ape
In my mind, again, it talk
the psychedelic nature of hauntings and abductions. We're sitting here like you're just now witness this room of insanity, and
maybe it is a little bit of a psycho somatic thing, maybe it just crawled into the back, but it's it's something is using we're gonna find out. Is it turned back vocal chords will go into this? Something is using. Her is like a little amplifier, yeah yeah. Well one of my personal life. A pet theories about possession. Is that it? I think that it has something to do with the collective unconsciousness like there's some
and in certain people's minds something breaks open and all these different energies enter into the
person and then speak through them, which is why
Sometimes you'll have people speaking in languages that they've never heard of before. Well, I heard that JANET was taking the secret ventriloquist classes after
School Richard, that's Maurice, grosses son. He,
a little apprehensive about, buying the whole story, especially when he discovered that the voice would only speak if he was looking away from JANET and would stop the moment Richard turned his head. But what really piqued his interest was that the voice stopped. If Richard even thought
about turning his head, and this is where okay, I don't
either I'm just so delusional and so hopeful first
the paranormal. I I do
I think there is a difference and they talk about in physics right the idea of observed and unobserved reality and how they behave differently about how like, when you look at something.
More should happen, so there's also experimental bias to shoot like that, where you can make it happen, sort of by looking at it, and I also I kind of wonder if there's something to the idea of
The observation of the activity gives it the energy it takes to go, and then
you turn it away it basically an expensive. It's like you charge the battery and then you turn away and then it shoots it out the other side yeah that you really can't. As soon as you start filming reality, you change it exactly. If you look at the Jersey Shore, they were actually very scared. They were Sky
but then they put the cameras in there. They turn into alcoholics. Snooki knows how to read another wonderful, current reference that our listeners will understand: Jersey Shore. It must be said, though, that the boy,
shared some personality traits with JANET, such as their shared habit of abruptly change.
Subjects. The middle conversation once when Margaret was talking to the boys about where it came from the voice
Oh, I want some jazz music.
Maybe some now they've got him back on track, but the voice said he came from the local graveyard
when they asked him why he had moved on to the next plane of existence with all the other spirits in the graveyard he gave. The cool
possible answer. He said I'm
a Heaven man
I have always said Foggy Old London in one thousand nine hundred and seventy seven is Heaven on earth, especially when you're in low income housing. There is one other incident in particular that point
search JANET being the sole source of the voice on December fourteen
one thousand nine hundred and seventy seven jet.
Officially flowered. If you know
which is totally wonderful advice. She had a she had a public ventriloquism lesson. I think that's a good thing to call it, but why are you called
public ventriloquism less I don't know I don't know, maybe we're not the experts on this subject. What do you think of China's? What do you think vaginas do during instruction again Marcus Whitey's the question? Why even teased the answer you want to know anything happen right? Well, I know that what happens is is that, on a very special time when a girl is just grown up enough, but not grown up enough eh,
the little doll inside of her wakes up like an says, Mommy Mommy, Mommy time to paint the legs. Is that a good way to? Is that a good way to say it, and then she gets out her crimson an she gets out her Ruby reds. As that true,
no I'm going to go with no
The I S come out yeah. I know eggs come out and then the lining is also just kicked out of the house like it. Like it's a seventeen year old punk, yes, there are doing drugs. Yeah started, please
being a drummer in a band, well, the night that JANET first flowered.
As gross place when you say flowered, it's worse than henries terrable description. I don't think, there's anything wrong with me, saying flowered what you say it anyway. That's fine well that night as gross play fair and
Spr colleague named Hugh Pincott, where
discussion with the voice, the voice suddenly asked. Why do you get that play fair?
Engross tried dodging the question because they did not want it to me now. You explain: why is it we need? But after it became clear that the voice wasn't going to talk about anything else, but periods pincott, because
refused to talk about it. Despite gross adding a grown daughter, Pangkat went into the room and explained it all in great day
So this is obviously JANET Sex said a strange sort of haunted sex
class yeah. Well, that's as it is yeah I was. Why would the ghost care about periods, yeah, and especially on the day the JANET first got here? Hers and lets me
maybe the maybe the ghost I mean the ghost had no sex education grown up. I would imagine maybe it was a lonely old man JANET.
In the Gaza or, what's going on so now within those living in the ghost is in there. So he's just like what it is all you got, leaky inside of the the vessel that he was in, which is Jeff yeah. I I honestly, I think it's weird that she did have to go to health classes. Spooky university. I just goes around for that. She had to talk to paranormal psychologists about her for
yes, he did it. So if you had to talk to a man named Hugh Pincott who will go to the doctor baby, I'm not now. You see him now not John at now, and what happens is that I'm a woman in our favor Sunday don't know how do I put the sim delicately? Your body is changing for both chanted and the voice listen very closely without interrupting once, and that was something that neither JANET nor the voice ever did. They were both pretty bad about interrupting, but play fair of course,
He was a smart guy. He thought it was a little strange that the boys would ask about periods on the same day that JANET first got hers, but when he asked the question
the only answer he got was a curt off. Honestly, it's a very a employee, fair, it did kind of figure out the two of them looked at each other and he walked in. He says like if you seem to be very interesting that they did. You would ask why you need to know about Pierre, it's an old, and we like the straight up in like. Are you JANET
Are you JANET or you just being yourself or JANET talk to us, and then she went for a cough and then like had a seizure and then went to sleep. I think that's what I would do. The first day I had a period have a seizure and then going to fuc off yes, if a cough, but it does seem that there is a connection between the old minstrel cycle. An poltergeist act
death haunting reached a new level soon after her period began, because that is when the levitation started. So yes,
the boys. Nobody actually saw the levitation in full as it was happening, but there is still circumstantial proof that it happened. David Nottingham, the neighbor gave JANET a red pen after she told him
then levitating, he told her that if she levitated again, she could use the pen to draw a circle.
Around a light fixture that would be impossible for her to reach otherwise without loudly moving the bed across the room and as soon
as non him left the room and closed the door. Janet nonchalantly said I'm levitating David try to open the door to go inside, but he found that the door wouldn't budge when he finally did open it. Janet was back
on her bed and the ceiling had a red mark right where David had asked her to make it. He was right outside the door and if she had, if she wanted to move the bed to make the red mark, she would have had to drag the bed across the floor, get on the bed and then jump up off the bed to draw a mark, and of course the mark would have been messy as hell, but Nottingham said that the circle was very neat, but
David, didn't see it with his own eyes. Three other witnesses in the neighborhood outside the house that very same day would see something themselves. Janet said after she made the mark she had passed through
all of her bedroom into that of her mother, saying it was all white when Peggy went to check her room. She found a copy of JANET
burning games for children on the floor, even though she was sure she had just seen that book in JANET's bedroom just prior to the levitation incident, David decided to test the entities, manner transfer abilities because he was there
it's like okay. Well, maybe he's mistaken, maybe jot little Johnny left the.
Over in the other room,
so David Nottingham, said all right past this big red
plastic cushion through some things coming. My charter in the little book in the entity said alright
boy, oh my god disappear, and no sooner did David walked out of
JANET, called out again when David walk back in the red cushion was gone
so where to go. Where did you go? Where did you go? Where did it go? Where did it go? Where did it come off a cough? Why is the cushion talking? What that
where the witnesses come in a neighborhood tradesman who knew
They were strange goings on the Hudson House was walking
sidewalk looking in their general direction. He said
but there was nothing on the roof and the next, the big red cushion appeared
Anyone opening a window. Then there was the crossing guard and her friend they also saw the cushion. But in addition to that,
They said they saw through the window JANET bouncing up and down briefly appearing
falling again only thing was
She was bouncing up and down on her back horizontally about two feet above her bed, as if someone was lifting her from her shoulders and feet,
the say the JANET was a sports star in very athletic which she was she's eleven. She was a gymnast.
I know but yeah there's a
Marciano was like thirteen
remember your member Dominic Marziano. I don't guess what your major thirteen year old desires. Yes, children in China, age out of being gymnast by the age of nine. This is windows most springy and I suppose it isn't impossible for a twelve year old girl to be able to bounce two feet in the air on her back off at then made mattress. But if she was
to do this, along with everything
along with the boys, along with all the objects being thrown around without anybody seeing them without by making
jegs appear and disappear. In other places, she had a hell of a career in show business waiting for she able to do all that. I completely agree with that. Even if there are no go
the story itself is incredible, with just JANET being in court in amazing a performer gets right. She did have an incredible snl real, like she would have been amazing for the show like a regular came again, and I also think that there is maybe the body is
being manipulated by a spirit to do certain shit. Maybe she is bouncing up and down on the bed, but it's almost like a maniacal she's at
let's. Do it into your your body isn't allowed to do something that is normally. You would not be able to do sort of like we talk about with ritual magic and like that, where it's sort of a great it's increasing our abilities almost but
What they all said was is that the bed was an old british piece of shit and it couldn't be bounced on and then
I play for himself said that all he went on our test in their bed.
See the bounce ability of it and all I could hardly bounce at all.
Saying that he didn't have british ankles, which means that his heels hit his ankle bones every time he puts pressure on it. So I don't know
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To enter the magician? Ok, alright! So by this point
Enfield haunting was becoming known far and wide
in paranormal circles around the world and worded reached all the way
to the society of american musician
whom they set a magician investigator named Milbourne Christopher, who was put on the case by
yeah there's people started is never going to fail to make me laugh. That's everything. While
never humorous name. Playfair's Playfair said that he was happy to host
in addition, just so long as he didn't tell the girls, he was a magician because he
I want to get the girls excited, yeah. Good luck in a magician is shut up about being a magician's. Only dog magicians are just losers that have spent years making their fingers so quick. They can fool every woman, they say, but they are very good for the cloak industry
good, contributing to the economy. That's right, but with
minutes of the magician meeting the little girls.
Morgan just started, showing him card tricks, how they can't help themselves or regular old Chris angel T Tru Tv would give him a show yeah. Now there is some debate between Playfair an Milbourne as to what happened on the evening. The magician spent at the Hudson House
cording to the magician. There was a commotion filled night in which he didn't.
Really see anything happened with his own. I there's a lot of hubba there's a lot of crashes. There was a lot of booms, a lot of bands, but he didn't actually see anything with
oh nice. It all happened when he was in a different room. Then, after the girls were put to bed, Anne Play, Fair
went down into the living room. The magician stay,
on the staircase
yeah a little odd. He said JANET appeared at the top of the stairs and in the word,
of the magician. I produce
a flare of light in the air it when Playfair asked him to elaborate the magician said. Yes, a flash of light
it's a magician's thing. You wouldn't understand it's a magician style. The magician said,
after he produced the flare JANET her
back room without saying a word, and he used this incident
prove JANET was only coming out to see if the course was clear and had the magician not been there waiting for the little girl. She would just throw
something down the stairs as further proof that the poltergeist was still active. Is the Fun house to be a kid? No, you have a little kid
no longer has a father that already
two other weird strange men, essentially living with her in the House
bring another man whose job is trickery in the
leave just adjustment and you say everybody go to sleep
then sits on the stairs then for everybody else to a normal. Should he sits on the stairs just staring upwards?
Maybe it would probably disturb the sleep. I need
turn around there. Maybe take a look at what he's doing rather than wonder what he's watching you do your little girl and you can see a man with a top head on with the feathers sticking out of it with fancy shiny shoes on and it took Sido on just at the bottom
flammable paper thrown in front of his face. It's an illusion. Go to sleep, little girl, don't worry Miller! You see how I make my own. My wanders now limp now see how I make my wand hard again.
Go to sleep little girl, the tape recorder, told a different story.
Then the magician told during the
commotion JANET's bed had collapsed. Shows
she was staying in the spare room by herself and after she got gone to bed the
start it up the voice said.
Jumper said to you: you get stuffed the go
which is right, JANET, is correct. Get out of my house magician in two other dumpy weirdos doing double shittu. You magician, get stuffed yourself! You dumb stinky magician in there with your booty big coins. You pick coins in your squirting flowers. Would you Jackie Zebrowski, that's a funny inside joke. That is funny. That's not even inside joke. That's a round table of gentlemen joke! Please don't listen to the round table to hear more about Henry Sister referred to her vagina as a squirty bird. That's right! Yes, JANET was then
it to you. She was then heard calling out to Maurice she got out of bed and she went to the stairs
scared out of her mind, she's looking for new, daddy sure, now the
and was indeed waiting for the little girl on the stairwell, but it was not
the silent encounter he described instead, JANET
talking Adam about how she did.
I like to be alone, but the magician being American couldn't understand JANET thick accent and after a feeble attempt to communicate, you can hear
three soft pops on the tape recorder, presumably from the
the magicians powder that he used to create the flashes so when he runs into awkward conversation, because there is a transcript of this in this house- is haunted by god- there's a little bit of a transcript because its him just been not or don't know
shape but mean and he's like. What's that then
yeah, you know, add sleeper, no, no, no, no! No! Okay! Now I'm alone in their needs. Like
you know we dogs, love about absolutely the banks always give alone. I am like random she'd like try to act like he understands and he's like. No, you know you are sent to a moment of silence in the knees goes because
something on fire just to end the conversation with a foreigner. That's actually really tired, that's a great way to do. It keeps doing it until she runs away like a stray dog. That's growling at us. The only magic trick I've ever wanted to learn- and I think it's just owning matches yes yeah. Janet is then heard on the tape recorder running back to her bed and where she says to no one in particular quote
he's gone. Mad
you see he's got mad. I just got married on Monday, so JANET, possibly possessed or faking to be possessed for going on what eight months now quite a few months now
judging the magician, that's bad,
The point is, nothing was disproved here. It was just a magician who didn't know how to deal with a twelve year old girl, but that didn't stop him from saying that the entire infield hunting case was fake and it doesn't stop the debug
from using his testimony as further proof that it was all a hoax they actually the debunkers actually use
will. This magician said it was fair. You can't, by definition, trust the magician well, they said he's an expert in trickery and if the expert in trickery says that it's wrong, then the trickery must be excessive trick. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, who did trigger when it trigger, says the thing, is a trickery that he could be tricking you into saying it's a trick or he could never try to match and slowly walks out. Yeah, never trusted trick are never, and so the
mints with the voice continued. They take JANET's mouth
filled it with water, Radke scarper on her face cut, but nothing would stop the voice even when they did all three at the same time. Well, we've tried water board in her. All we got was for government secrets, nothing about the ghost, though not mad mad. Now this may seem controversial. Ok,
I don't I don't do I mean I mean this is a scientist and as a researcher. Well, what
I want to sit up on her face. I will continue to wear me. Underoos attached her my ankle, it's that attached to my socks. I am fully clothed, even when I'm nude, I am british, so it is not skittish a perverted from me to sit up on her mouth
and see if she uses me as say a trumpet or trombone. They also did a couple of scientific tests on JANET's throat,
We found that the voice did not come from the front of her sisters. Broker. Yeah where's your mom, just literally just walked with her fucking basin. Outside she's got all the workers uniforms piling up on one side and she thought advocates. Niko factory shut down the new brick
accuracy makes these clothes extra dirty talk or scrubbing flowers. These are really. These are jokes about the socioeconomic conditions. In the
okay in the nineteen seventies, which were quite back bad yeah garbage everywhere. I think we did they have, but I think they had the garbage strike in New York City at the garbage truck. At the same time, all
all I know is that the clash was singing about it.
Love, the idea of garbage men, making sure that we know why they're important now they found that the boys did not come from the front of her throat like a voice. Normally does if you
speak and put put your hand on your throat and just speak. Speak speak and you'll feel the vibe
is there red, Farve, touchdown, that's good night, nine hundred and eleven was allowed to happen. Nine hundred and eleven was allowed to happen. I can feel it in my throat yeah sure you can feel it but JANET when the voice spoke. It came from the back of her neck
this is an impossible, but it is a strange thing for a twelve year old girl to know how to do it. Sitting here called
the for Intra, which is the I think,
you can train it's false, vocal cords, they sit in the back and they say that you can access them, but they're, very, very difficult to use and also they get less recursion in the front vocal.
Chords. So they get horse really really quickly. So it's
interesting. The fact that she could do it for hours and hours and hours essentially she have to be like the neo over and twirl a quest yeah to be great at this naturally yeah she
this. The story. Oh this whole yeah, you, the one. She is the one. So around Christmas, the entity started getting even more aggressive.
The Hudson's? Well, loved goldfish were found dead in their tank when the
notice what happened? The boy said done that and gross
s. Why and how the voice replied. He electrocuted the fish by accident, using quote unquote spirits, energy, which Maurice Gross then said that is proof that poltergeist work on electricity yeah. I know part of it it's like a because they did find these things that other
it's very good. It's good! It's the thing that makes our meat job as human beings. I could not to keep a goldfish alive that I got from the carnival for more than forty eight hours. Yeah you can. No one can keep carnival gold fish can because they're only they're designed to live for a day is that right, yeah. Well, I found a lot yeah. You know it had one good day well after the goldfish died.
Two days later on Christmas day, why do the pair.
He turned up dead in his came home. My goodness,
parakeets are the worst animal on the face of the planet, so there we used to have them for years, they're awful they're, awful creatures there dirty there mean they bite, birds or terrable. Terrable pets, loser scary. Well later that day,
the entity attacked JANET herself and she was sitting by a window by wrapping curtains around her neck. In a couple of days later it happened again.
Sign, the swish of the curtain was caught on the tape, and this wasn't just a day. I mean it was good the curtain squeezed.
Find the strangler. We should talk about this too, because that is very compelling photo evidence of the curtain when you watch it. It is in a really unnatural formation. It is
curved around 'cause. You remember: we had a timed camera in that up in that room watching it all times will talk,
pictures that you see the look
obviously faked he look like she is jumping for the camera, and I think that that is completely normal. I think that is.
Because, as a little kid even talk about that all the time Maurice gross and I play for like Janet- plays tricks all the time we know she does, there's certain things that she does, that or all of that are genuine now and they they have a
actually said that she did play tricks like very, very few times, but
jumping was just trying to get somebody to believe her was happening, who's a better who is a better levitator unction Shinrikyo, the
of Shinrikyo Shoko Asahara Shoko Asahara yeah, because he was using his cheese. Did it with his yeah that whole incident with the curtains
that happened six more times, but thankfully
is never enough to seriously injure JANET at least physically mentally was
different story. This woman seems like she is afraid of everything she is up when you see her nowadays in the interview subside. Don't look at that the extras on the dvd for conjuring two, the stuff that we found that the recent one from the B b C, the one with her and I play fair and she just looks- haunted she's the same like literally being like you, do,
understand what I went through. I had something inside of me for a
if you go into your mother voice said I don't cut, you don't even understand her just below the surface.
Watching. I did the same thing watching the footage feeling poor girl. That's just a shame. Oh wow,
It is a shame- and I like whenever you like, do your mother's voice. You grab your chest, always my mom and the I do. What do you think Jackie got it from
Grab, it hurt it's all the time. My mom does a weird thing right now, I'm just like a caring voice. He holds her breasts. Alright, so
and it doesn't allow any curtains in our house anymore, absolutely not, and the Poulter guys it's
to take on different personalities, or it was actually different energies working together? If you believe the ten naughty things list,
soon, after one thousand nine hundred and seventy eight came the voice calling itself Fred told Peggy that she should get rid of a bag of knives that she had brought out. His
these knives had just like
I'm sure she'd already thrown out
the family of the man who had murdered his daughter down the street a few years previous get rid of, and I keep waiting and I've given everything over the night. Why would you have you say this? You got rid of the furniture you got really useful ship will keep the weapons tonight will keep the sharp things that could do the most damage will keep him in a bag yeah why she got rid of the furniture and not the knives, is anyone's guess, especially after the furniture already proved to be haunted. They like their jams, they like their spreads. You can never have enough knives. Take out the how dangerous the furniture has become. This
I think on the serial killers version of beauty and the beast in this house, and you just have a bunch of horni knives in a bag if just one of them has the personality of that candle, Abrah gonna, be nice, sucking one of those little girls in a second thread: well, Christ, man,
that's real Fred said. If Peggy did,
get rid of the Knights Tommy. Another entity was going to do something dangerous with him, but
Peggy just had a long day. She didn't pay Fred. Any mining kept the nights right
they were in the next day as Peg.
It was in the kitchen she heard JANET say from upstairs.
There'S- and I followed me around dangerously- it's just like a be our guest, be our guest service to the test and a stabbing continued yeah, and she said it. Janet said that the knife was dancing around in front of her is kinda fun. Of course, Peggy went upstairs to look and she found nothing, but when she walked back to the
downstairs area. She found one of the knives she had
put away in the kitchen drawer on
so. Is it like a situation where they moved in and like this house is not yet a home until they saw the bag of knives and then right now it's a whole. We must have a bag of lethal weapons around at all times and Peggy men. She was long suffering
yeah she's not having a great time or children are going crazy. She's got a bunch of random weirdos, including a magician in her home. Oh just wait until you hear what happened on her birthday to kill me
outback steakhouse, I don't think they did. They didn't know bloomin onions on her birthday on January 15th
seventy eight that day would take.
Enfield haunting from the red
of a horror movie over into John Waters territory. That's the day, the Duke EAST,
yeah. What do you mean? The dookie still tell you what I mean when I say that we started to Edith. Massey and Immediate Massey show up on their front doors start eating eggs or something what's going on just going to say right here is that once that Dookie get started it's hard to get the dookie to stop
Oh, I see lots of dookie okay well that evening Margaret said that she had just use the bathroom and was leaving when she felt a tap tap tap on her shoulder
when she turned around. She saw that someone or something had taken a turd and written the word hit the wall with his own. My goodness, I guess
maybe it is it just sounds like they're being haunted by Gg Allin yeah could be in a few days later when market was again in the bathroom. Mrs Hudson
hit in the small of the back by a duke,
I went to the doctor, he said I got zig zag, so I don't watch it doctor any so quick and I have to smash your feet reset him. I know gave in this small so that polio, pepper pot, editor-
Dallas ghost is really getting serious yeah and then, when Peggy inspected,
hands up on markets exit from the bathroom. Maybe look at change sunny day to fuqing amp playing with the duchies, like cell phones like why you kind of your performance artist
They were clean. Well, I guess most of the Pope was called in to say, see if there's any doubt on that will take. It was satisfied that Margaret wasn't the culprit she said, but I you may she could have done that without getting a demise, more gray,
It's not very subtle, huh, ok
but there was some evidence of the girls interference. Playfair said one day is recorder went missing while it was recording. He found it about
thirty seconds later and the tape showed without a doubt that it was JANET and move the damn thing play fares. Thinking was that
we spotted it so fast. Since it was such a poor attempt at a trick, it showed that JANET was actually pretty awful, that an
he confessed almost immediately when play for confronted her with it improving herself to be an awful liar, but the boys
did gain some believers, a speech therapist who came to
got the whole hubbub said that she had to admit that she couldn't figure out how JANET was doing the voice, especially what she could figure
it was like false, vocal cords coming, the back, the Pope well
to poop there guys the pooper guy said Boo Boo, oh my god, for all my god. Luckily it looks like we got ourselves. A pooper get supper, guys pooper Geist, I I am going to take a pooper guy soon. I have I've drank half a bottle of concentrated cold brew this morning and I am like a musket right. Well, the thing that the speech therapist couldn't figure out was
CALL Janet was doing it without getting a sore throat right then
the fire started on one occasion
Smoke started pouring from a kitchen drawer when they open up the
they found a scorched box of matches, although no matches on the inside had been let cool yeah. After this they decided to
their luck with another medium. This time they
regular Joe named Gary Sherrick Jerrick, was an amateur poet who did
take any money for his services because he made a good living as a London taxi driver, the Spirit, medium thing that was just his hobby. He did it for free sure he's not my cartella, alright I'ma go
nine scary thing
that sitting and watching anything can happen,
sit there watch with a photographic memory. I want
anything I want you take a sheet or watching
much is suck on at that hour, but she will watch anything anything. You got for me to watch all watch and I'll. Remember it. I want
I want you to lick a a cat on. I want do anything well, he's it:
got the mind of a poet. That's good
but Jerry said he got the impression that horrible old woman who had lived near Spitalfields market was haunt
Field is a real place, but I know it is it just like you always wonder what how these town
I created how their names got created like. Where are we in some just like Spitalfields, because I just spit get it well? They said that it was possibly
Horrible old woman who would live near Spitalfields market was on the girls
asked if they'd ever smelled rotting vegetables, they replied that they had, of course Jerry, like the
didn't really do. Anything with JANET besides the whole healing hands business, but he did teach Margaret how to do battle with the entity. He did not say how he taught
how to do the battle against people, for I get the feeling involved, balling up human dookie and throwing it against a wall. It sounds like another secret ventriloquism lesson: are we done with the poo poo today, because this is a huge? This is what I'm really focused on the poopoo stuff here now we end up with a pool. Ok, they've got more purple, copper right, Hooper, Geist
Ellen hands seem to work
like it had with the two mediums before for a couple of weeks, at least, but when it came back, it came
in a storm of faces.
This storm aphasic mean storm of bases. Acg scientists say it fast, as Peggy walked in on Johnny having a bath one day she found limits or boundaries. In this house he was like a five year old boy go yeah right over here, so I'm walking on little kids little people having baths all the time of course, Henris. Well, she found x
smeared behind the water taps all over the wall and floating in the Bay
water, as if someone was in her words scribbling with it it's the five year old. No, no, no, he said no to ladach it take picture with you.
To have a podcast comedians way to ship
in order to really do that. Like I mean like me, after, like several bowls of brand, like I ate a bunch of beans last night like this,
this fermenting inside of me. I could paint the bathroom with it child, it's still small, oh yeah, still very tiny little dick, then ok, alright yeah and I don't want to get in bed in the kitchen big
old of liquid, but junk
forming on the floor in subway. What is ok? Ok, still liquid bought junkie. I understand it's poop only going to be liquid by drug short, pull sauce. Spicy sauce has been piling up inches thick for weeks now, multiple days, and this is actually what I think is very interesting 'cause. They don't cover any of this in the conjuring two now will talk about this in any of the documentaries, and I think that number one it is the funniest form of the poltergeist
Drupal mountains in the kitchen, it's fun, but uh, not what it further proof. It is that what you need is it's now it's going into an area where it's like, if they're faking it these people are
play insane by rubbing shit all over the entire house, and now even a mortgage grow set with JANET cuz. A part of it was like he asked her. Why were you fucking with my recorder and he said
I want to make sure that you
never leave, because she was so close and she loved having them in the house at this point and then, as a sir happening he's asleep, he started talking with her, be like so it's like. Are you thinking this? Are you doing this yeah? Just like all, not all, but a three?
starting to get boring now.
She thought that the whole thing was boring yeah. She hated the whole thing hello. This is home to you since, because so this poor woman was this poor girl was so desperate for a father. She didn't want them to leave, so she went to def Con,
No, I had just created this nothing close date. No human wisdom. Addition, you missed, you missed understood completely, removing the tape recorder. That was what she did to keep
gross around? No, no, she wasn't doing the the big old liquid diarrhea who's, creating the mountains, the dookie double Dice
and here's. The interesting thing about it is that Maurice grows actually collected some of it.
Goodwill stool sample. Alright we're going to take a look at this now online. Everyone look there's a sample from the Astros, so we finally this afternoon. Let me just I'm getting I'm getting notes on my goodness: I'm getting no stuff burnt, your Somalia, your poop! This is my. This is definitely my I'm sorry. I missed the samples he got a sample and he took it too
a fellow scientist and the fellow scientist, said
Let me on my aces cappis, oh ok, I don't think it should be. Fellow scientist, I there's one side. They said it wasn't a man bringing the blue cheese
science relation for them against our kind is what keeping legitimate research scientists are not erase. Well the voice. At this point I mean well besides,
the boys started getting weirder and it stopped caring, whether anybody was looking or not. It started getting completely out of control. Here's one more example of where the voice was at this time.
yeah. It's kind of fun yeah it's got about now is like that old up, so that we do is like possession or angry cat yeah. That could go either way.
It's pretty sweet and now we're looking at her mouth, who saying there look
facing she's making these noises and her mouth is like it's like
twitching it is coming.
From her, but
we are asking for like how is she making this noise over and over and over again for weeks right now? This is when George
of the daily mirror showed back up to check in on the family, but when he
how much worse- and
much more disgusting. The case had gotten yeah. He decided a follow up. Piece was in order and assigned a reporter named Brian Rimmer to the story. Name is Brian Rimmer and I gotta tell ya. I love the taste of pennies. You some like mints, just blinking thing. I love it. I like leaving my mouth red with Russ. Now. Is the poo poo cleaned up yet
just leaving it now around the House: ok, they're, not animals and well, and now Rimmer decided. It was time once and for all to get to the bottom of the voice. So he
listed the ventriloquist, a man named Ray Allen, just when it could
any nerdy. They brought in a ventriloquist but think about how many, because not only do we have, we had a magician we've had at least fifteen scientists. We got a
eventually quest now we also had another: do that was a famous suffer of a haunted house? His name was that came in
It said the same thing, Matthew Manning he also came in this is
probably documented oh yeah, so many people were just showing up being like what the fuck is happening in IRAN. It's all just weird,
well. Brian Rimmer Ray Allen and three other people showed up around eight pm. Why
right to the heights in house completely unannounced after the visit, Rimmer called up guy play fair and told him that JANET had confessed to faking. The voice is beginning to end met. She had told the ventriloquist that she had used her
diaphragm to do the voice, even though they had already proved that the voice is coming from the back of her neck
play. Fair immediately went to the hutch in House to hear exactly what happened, because he was pretty damn sure that JANET didn't even know the word diaphragm much less. What the hell
diaphragm was, and she again had a different story to tell just like with the magician wow. She said that when the ventriloquist started talking or she just
zoned out and just started nodding, because how many people have come to talk at this
and to ask her question after question after question, and she just stop paying attention to anything that she said and also that's kind of what a lot of twelve year old girl a twelve year old girls do. When you talk to him, they don't listen, it would have been truly quiz talks. You not moving his lips trying to be all sneaky. I mean, of course, I'm not gonna. Listen to that! It's all lies! No court
JANET she hadn't heard a word. He said now. The article in tight
Ghost hunters clash over mystery of spoof or spook kids. It did claim the voice to be a hoax, but to its credit, did not discount any of the other phenomena and the phenomena did continue with the operations returning in full
force both Margaret and JANET, saw an old man with long fingernails walking through their room at night, Peggy saw a child dressed in a nightgown floating
The bathroom and saw a partial apparition of a man from the waist down walking up the stairs, but the creepiest incident happened to Peggy's brother.
He saw a man solid, is anything just sitting at the Hudson's kitchen table at five hundred o'clock in the afternoon. Looking out the window, the brother closed his eyes to blink and when he opened them again, the man
is gone and replaced with a pile of poop. No man with no waste walking back and forth was just so jealous of that people could poop. She had no, but as it go, that would be the war. He was just doing it as a revenge. Yeah
Finally, in July of one thousand nine hundred and seventy eight, the family decided to send JANET away for a little while she stayed in a hospital across the timbs for a couple of months in the activity died down, but not completely, for example,
the whole incident with the brother and the man in the kitchen happened while JANET was gone and Margaret was mostly,
the activity using the unnamed powers that she learned from the taxi driver. What did she learn? I don't even I don't know what they did. You say the words of a taxi driver, it's a secret. Yes, only taxi drivers will know. Did she get some taxi cab confessions? I don't want to go down that route. The doctors,
nothing wrong with JANET, physically or mentally, and so JANET came back in September of nineteen. Seventy eight, all that it was
all over and done with, but within thirty minutes of her being home
she saw the same apparition of a child in account that her mother saw after
two more months they decided to try one more medium,
watchman named, don't
combellack mailing. Of course, I would personally brought to dutch poltergeist cases to an end. Do
came to the house, got to know the family and went up traveling on the Ol Astral plane to see what he could find when he came back. He said that he was positive, that at twenty
four year old woman was involved in the case, twenty four happened to be the exact age Maurice grossest daughter, JANET, was
She died now whether or not this whole thing was caused by the Spirit of Maurice Grosses daughter will never know. In fact, what
probably never know whether poltergeist are the spirits of the dead free,
floating puberty, enerji or something else
else entirely at least not in our lifetime. What we do know is that soon after don't know, gametic mailing identified the poltergeist as Maurice grosses daughter, the hauntings tapered off and soon
stopped altogether. You can always trust a dutchman. This is very similar to other cases. If you look up the writing
Rocca case. It's very
the interesting, there's there's so many other poltergeist is to like this. We talk about us being the black monk of Pontefract, as one there's also the the bell.
Which case also talk about the talks
I thought all which do we could do a whole episode on yeah they're, all very similar, all right. Well, this is the Enfield poltergeist I gotta say conjuring two could have been a lot better. It really could have all the only characters. Unbelievable. The only difference is that the ending is not as to is not very dramatic. It's mostly like it's just going to be like with that. You have to go far
notice the twenty four year old daughter is a huge reveal. It's a pretty big reveal yeah. The conjuring part two never even goes down that road. Now it absolutely doesn't look good because that's how more like Maurice crows started- and it could be argued that the that JANET,
gross began. Haunting
Another JANET began haunting
the Hudson House in a bid to contact her father, because her father was contacted very soon afterwards, as well as a lot. It's a very complicated case law tends lot outs, it's very complicated, but I also think
What I think is really nice, though, is that Maurice Gross stayed with the family. He,
close with them for the rest of his life. I think he died.
Two thousand and seven guy play Fair
also close to them that it was a nice support at work. Yeah, it turned into a little family yeah in the end like a deer, it's like Maurice grows got something out of it to like he got a daughter again. You got to be with these kids, even though they're a little simple and a little strange family,
I don't think simple is the right word, there's very complex: oh it's bad combo, yeah very complex. I think yeah. I think JANET was a lot more clever than people gave her credit for me as well. But the thing is that JANET is the only person
who will give interviews, none of the rest of them want to talk about this at all. Well,
but in the end a really. This case is a lucky day. Ok, so now that,
for the whole case bed, I know you were skeptical at first kind of sweet right, it's kind of sweet. I also believe the queen is uh,
Monarchy and they should have treated these individuals that had lower income much better. Now it was the 1970s, oh, my goodness, alright yeah very good
family, but this is to me one of the most convincing cases
the idea of just activity and what
that is not necessarily some spectral like I don't know about the personalities involved and turns up like bill and and Joe Watson and all those kind of things, but I think
there's, obviously something happening, and it just proves that there's more to consciousness and how it affects reality than what normal
No, you normally believe and scientists are just on the verge of it. I was just watching a thing on a TED talk about how like, essentially we trip making
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