On part III of our series we cover some of Pee Wee's most horrific murders (if they're true), the continued disintegration of the Final Truth, and the murder for hire scheme loosely connected to one of the biggest pop stars of the late nineties.
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The left I am Ben Kissel. Marcus Parks is Henry Zebrowski. I couldn't, if I
If I gloated more I'd be floating
loading to floating Henry Zebrowski. I feel elated, I'm still tired of walking around in a daze. I feel like I'm in love again.
Around being like that. It's just it's the I don't know, there's a color everywhere. It's like I'm in Pleasantville, very nice all right! Well we're going to get into the opposite of Pleasantville. We're on
We Gaskins part three and it continues to get more and more depraved than sad and disgusting. That's right episode. Two hundred and ninety nine point. Five wow made over a little point because you can just say the number of an episode
and it is anything you want anymore now, do
Have one correction right up: top police did find the body of Peewees nice. However, they did not find her anywhere near the never discovered tenant house where Pee Wee said he committed his first serious murder and to that end
the total number of bodies in there for the confirmed number of kills attributed to pee Wee gaskins, thirteen, okay, not the twelfth that I previously thought all right, keeping the truth. Thank you to all.
Meet for doing the trail act and I said trail.
Which is the new way of seeing cool I've heard, or maybe the new old way, but it's
for trail of you wow
to be transparent and to offer full
closure. I love it because, as soon as a middle aged white dude says, though, the word that is cool
currently invoke. It becomes less so with less in vogue. It's overly! It's done so you already you killed that. I tell you what it's totally lit to learn new slang in twenty seventeen, and also you don't have to drink coffee out of your new move fund model using the bragging to Marcus, and I know what else could see the camera have not heard my apologies yet there's a lot of people in apologizing right now. I need to get on top of that pile it's not happening
now, one of the more interesting things about pee Wee Gaskins is not just the meth he created for himself, but also the myth that the people of South Carolina created for him, for example, there's a story from reporter who
hold down in Florence County after the body started showing up at first
people said all yeah pee Wee's in always comes in and treats me right, but by the time the fifth and six
seventh bodies came out of the ground people started talking about how p we used to.
Pretty goddamm loose lipped with how many people he killed and that's not what you want to do. No, it's definitely not it's. Mostly the whole thing you should probably like keep,
shut about how many people you killed unless you're really really small and you probably didn't, kill all those people right. If you have, if you haven't
I Tonya check it out. Sean in the in the movie is exactly what a like pee wee, just brags and brag brag, and there sure enough you get busted, and you know what that even extends to the
day, this whole myth making thank I've. Gotten
they're going to emails from people wanting to tell their pee wee Gaskin stories, and I do appreciate each
one, but it just seems like
just about everyone from South Carolina
friend or cousin or grandpa that New P
at some point in their life- it's there a rascal Flatts, I'm trying to think of a good person for them. It is their person that said there deep within the web of their community. It's there Hank Aaron. It's there Bobby Bonia there Bobby Bonia wow there. It is three references. You will always get the Bobby Bonia others, but this makes sense. It's a small community, close knit Peewees a legend. It's not just the community. It's the entire state of South Carolina that represent known for honestly. It's peanuts right, boiled peanuts! Yeah is big. I think it's North Carolina. No, I don't think that North Carolina's tobacco, I think South Carolina's tobacco as well peanuts. That's back in Texas! I love George at George. Porub sample is really not doing paper. Jimmy Carter, simple peanut farmer. This is the conversation inside the conversation that the audience really wants to hear about and just for the record, the so called
angry Grandpa stories on Youtube about him. Knowing Peewee gaskins are pure, unadulterated horse, yet
nothing in the timeline matches up and he gets the voice completely wrong as we'll see in part four, but the common thread.
All these stories is that almost everyone story is horrifying. How,
person sent me an email saying p, we used to bury groups of stray cats up to their necks and run them over with the lawnmower and that he did it multiple times. While people looked on how you look at his mom called the loudest chore in the world has faltered. Well, first of all, if that is true, we feel horrible for the cats that we'd like glass- that's not appropriate, but that's a scene out of that. Out of that horror movie that the series with all the girls in the sorority, it was hot for a while without last year. What are you talking about? You're full of ship? No, no. There really is when they buried this morning, sisters and the the devil mowed over them. Someone listening knows what I'm talking about. Someone definitely knows what he's talking about. Thank you. So so we're going to see here, a pee wee gaskin succeeded. He wanted to build himself up. He was the whole point, we're going deeper and deeper into this of what is truth and what is fiction.
Short of it is fiction, but in the end, what do we know about reality is if the consensus believes in it the more more real it becomes. He is he will he learned the power of fake news, deep
and then before getting 70s, I'm so happy! You didn't take that to aliens. I thought we were going to find a way back there. Well, aliens are true, and it's just about what you mix into it, and there are there are stories and there are specific information. There's this information threaded through alien stories in order to discredit those would be willing to stick their neck out of balance, get back on the peewee trade here. Well that story about the cats in the lawn mower and all that it probably isn't true, but you can see how these stories growing their own possibly,
p. We gave these people a pretty good base for all these stories, even
people. Didn't take him seriously, for example,
infamous hearse at one point in the early
is Peewee said he was doing some shade tree work for a stock car driver when he ran
into a fellow. He knew driving an old Cadillac hearse, the friends
that he was having a hard time selling it so p. We picked it up for next to nothing got so great. I mean I just can't imagine like why aren't people
buying. My cadaver vehicle is wrong with the market. For horses hang out, I couldn't help it over here. You say he has a hard time letting go your cadaver vehicle. Yes, let's just say I run of what people like to say is a private institution that should be public and it matter of fact it's not very private and the way that I speak about it because I talk about having to cemetery pretty often I'll. Take it for five dollars already filed suit sold
at home, with his new purchase, he got a bump,
sticker. That said, we haul anything any modified it.
We haul anything live or dead. I tell yeah, you know when he when he got that we picked out of the whatever story got it out. He laughed like George W Bush we're just like in that state
There went right next to the one that said, support your local sheriff higher
and to make,
as obnoxious as possible peewee attack,
a siren to the roof of his horse that he would crank from the driver seat. So everybody knew he was coming. I feel
something this galex somehow into Dan Aykroyd's brain about putting the siren on the ghost hunter goes: Yo Neko an Ecto one, because it didn't need a siren right. Well, they said he would drive by the bar and scare all the winos honestly, it said sad to say, but it is awesome fun run. I forgot he's doing all this sober. That is honestly one of the more shocking things about this entire story. 'cause it
Maybe we was a serial killer, who buys a hearse? You would think he was drunk, not one hundred percent sober. He said he'd have like two or three, but for the
This part yeah use a completely sober guy and when people would ask pee wee Wah,
he drove a hearse he'd say quote because,
kill, so many people? I need a horse to haul them all to my private cemetery and that's the final two
and I've got a prize.
Seven two for peewee all put holes to
and he really good if you are very cool. True final truth on everybody laughed and laughed at crazy, little pee wee, despite the fact that he was the sole suspect in the disappearance of two young girls not a year before. It's really strange about how he built up this misses you remember in the timeline. I think we get a little bit lossed now remember peewees.
We've been in and out of jail up to this point he went to.
Kitty jail that he went to big boy jail where he be commit the power man, then he got back out of jail, doing back into jail or he met the wise men came back
so now he's technically running his own industry. Right he's got a car
he's got his car thief ring and he's he's doing his car stripping shed. So all of this is happening. He's feeding the rumors of everything about him, which seems to be sort of like, like a chaff cloud like to use for funding like missiles and shed words like he's saying all of this horrible ship. Meanwhile, he has real kredible
So incredible people coming after him,
not for the murder of these two young girl he's got to like he's, hiding it yeah. What is the art? Why don't the police at this point just
to just gravel with the
The thing is that the police, this whole time didn't take him seriously at all
He was just a small time. Punk, despite him being in and out
federal prison for very serious crime. And, ladies and gentlemen, that's the power of laughter get out of magazines about this. With this whole series is about all about. Is that if you were just the tiniest bit funny your life is so much easier, he never mind being small and cute like now that I'm smaller and cuter, I bet I could do a bunch of horrible chitat people will look the other way. I don't think that that's true things about
these stories. Is you know they? They were told back home. They could have made there.
Get back to pee wee in prison and he figured
for already saying he was such a cruel mother fucker you might as well go all in. On the other hand, he didn't really need to because
actual murders were horrific. Enough yeah case in point is Martha Dixon from Pee wee
in one thousand nine hundred and seventy one that year peewee would commit.
Third, serious murder and his first racially motivated one of the strangest things about final true.
Is peewee, staunch denial of any allegations made towards him concerning racism. But one thing we do
oh, is that Peewee didn't necessarily have the most progressive views in the world concerning race. What? Yes, what why is this being like in case you missed that part yeah, I just got mean gasping markets, in fact, at least two of his later murders were said by Peewee himself to be racially motivated before he told his final truth, but for some reason in final truth p week,
compared to be seen as a racist. Now,
so not mishear Journal for everybody to know and not you
very large cellmate mate
I've been racing in Northfield, any sort of rest, so deep inside my body, and I'm not sure- and this is not just to pacify onyx
who said he owns the toilet and in order for me to get to the toilet, I must pay the toll and then it's a final. True did pee wee
by his own admission, go to a few Klan rallies and meetings. Sure yeah
We favor certain positions, the clan put forth about certain issues. Yes, he did people.
Entertain ideas right. Does he casually use racial slurs, a page and a half after denying charges of racism, naturally
different generation, locker room, talk generation good. But if there's anything peewee said he wasn't it's a racist which brings us to
Martha decks, a groovy black,
sexual woman, who sometimes went by the name of Clyde Martha likes.
Her afternoons hanging around the garage were peewee worked when he wasn't being a criminal and most of the guys.
Having Martha around, because she was brassy fearless and gave just as much as she got a fun. I would say
a very big phenomenon in the south where it's like, I don't know where it is very conservative groups and then some like radically live
concept will just like pop up in the middle of it, and everybody will just act normally told this person enter will literally except Martha into their world because they group
with them. They can understand where she came from understand her background it. Somehow it's almost like hey
if you're surrounded by different types of people and get to know them, you can like get to like them and not just kind of judge them by looking at them from far well. This is before identity politics really took over, so they didn't even know not to like this person. You know well yeah, I mean that's the whole thing, it's about what you know: Whiting, your worldview and all that, and these people had that itch
cat pee wee because Martha the person she gave the most shittu was Peewee Gaskins problem.
Because I'd imagine it was funny as hell to watch p. We get mad and temper yeah temper God-
an elf again, your damn
I should know more, Madame Blue shoes, because every time I get mad, I pop out of his head and everybody is laughing all the time. But that's a bottle. True, that's why I'm wearing socks and now have grippy socks. Hey Martha! Ask him how Santa Claus doing
How is Santa Claus you in the more
the guys around the garage latch the anchor poor, little snow, flake, p, read God he's getting louder and louder. Honestly, it may be more that we should stop because he is getting very offensively loud just
as two more one more thing: how cold is the north? If you could just as easily travel surprisingly warm in the summer months and all do the wintertime actually gets in a row again and about your height? What? Finally, simply we over the edge was a Martha said jokingly, of course, but she was pro
with would be child saying she was looking forward to have
very own little pee, wee dicks, but it's at this point that pee Wee's race
and his homicidal nature came together for the first time all because he couldn't
air to have anyone in the community think there was even a possibility that he might
slept with a black woman. Pee wee said he killed Martha, not because she was black, but because of her
open quote line mouth, but had Martha dicks not been black eye
current Eu P, we wouldn't have given a shit about any of it and nobody would have died alright, so, according to pee, wee and final true
He lured her to his mythical tenant house, with the promise of drugs and cash, and once there he got her drunk and high before he surprised her with the handcuffs he said. He then killed
This is the way he killed him so bizarre. He forced
a soda spiked with pills, causing her to overdose and die. This is my question. He
but this in final truth, correct yeah. What I
I think this shows I think we
interesting. Psychology from him, which is very similar to other
Serra killers, but you kind of see it played out the way that he lies to himself.
In his own riding in the way he in concurrence with his myth building, because a
It's building this myth for other people to read the book and think things about him in a for a hopefully these rumors that go through and protect him in jail, but there's also-
like how he views himself when he talks about these
rhymes. Doing this soda spike with pills is such a ridiculous way to
so it's so hard to kill someone that it's almost like. It's like. He said it as if to distance himself from what maybe he actually did, or he did
like saying like I did it more humanely like I did it in this sort of weird.
Around about way. Instead of saying I like choke to death or something or because maybe he did feel
our friendly feelings towards her. I think he did actually say that in final truth, or at the very least alluded to it like where I don't think he did it, he wasn't the pill in the soda death.
He might know it's impossible to know because after he killed her key
your body down and let her sink into a creek, the ebb and flow with the seasons and they didn't find mark,
until years and years later, just
little remains ran a founder in there and skeletal remains. There believed to belong to Martha dicks, but no positive id.
Can key made and as of today, she still considered a missing person. But you know it's almost positive that the bones they found belong to
will it seems strange he would kill someone a co worker yeah everyone's gonna know: she's gone missing, well
She was also kind of transient. You know she was in and out of town a lot
and honestly you know I mean it was South Carolina in the seventies as you have black and they you know they like to share yeah, I'm not easy. Peasy I mean I'm out. Imagine all the people like you know they like to well enough, but you know if she laughed and
I didn't come back like well all right, well, Martha's gone whatever yeah the less dead that we talk about that you very much so blessed that in that's that that even goes to show you how the less dead can it can even be personal,
You know you can even know them personally and still they're less dead. So
after telling the story of the murder of Martha Dixon Final truth p. We figured it was a good time to do some self up a bit in the badass category, and this is when he told a very unconfirmed story about
bring a couple of gun runners in a deal
my bad. I thought you were going to tell me this is what he put really fancy rims
a hearse, I do in like baby driver with the I think
with the Hershey driving through this in the streets of Copenhagen, like in the movie around and we're just like him in a trench coat like a black one with that, like I do attention a case hand cuff, to improve not was a telephone tree is all men and the men are killed
although they will be lost in the pages of history, but
bohners is hard. It is today. Is it was that day and that's the final truth. Final truth! Well, in this story, Pee Wee told a fast paced tale of intrigue: betrayal that ended with him cutting down.
Hard as nails, gunrunners named Eddie and Birdie Brown and an assault rifle quick draw
He works a lot. I knew her by her name as she walked through the lobby of the four seasons hotel, and I showed her my code name
tiny sexy cobra. Oh it's an interesting code name and she was all about it and she she was covered in puddles. Are you sure about that? No
honestly? No okay! Now it's interesting to peewee mixes in a few,
unconfirmed serious murders with the ones we know are true because he considered this a serious murder because he knew him and it's interesting that the
confirm murders always seem to involve people who were just a little further up the criminal ladder. Yeah see six a pee, Wee's thirteen confirm murders and
criminal business associates that cross
in some way or another, and we know the motivations behind those murders and, let's just say, the motivations behind the actual murders of criminal associates,
considerably less sexy than a shipment of guns. Right yeah,
they're, all just like burnt out cars in the 1960s stuff. They found in dumpster he's stripping him all. Acting like he's fucking Pablo Escobar like the king of our criminal empire, but he's never met any of these real criminals and the associates themselves were definitely not as impressive as Eddie and Bertie Brown seemed to be, and this is
another example of how he wanted to be seen. He knew he'd already established his reputation as someone who wouldn't hesitate to kill anyone who tried to fuck him over
We also knew that the associates had killed. Where shall we say less than impressive when it came to the caliber of their criminal cloud? That is the most horror.
Line thing. We are all victims of the like the least of us. We are all going to that's why
Tanya that's what also I learned Jeff Gillooly and shot, I believe, is Sean Avery, not smart, very dumb and they ruined this entire Womans Olympic Career and, of course, Nancy Kerrigan's as well. But I do believe it
so they do that because the stupid one is the one who's going to throw the monkey wrench into the oldies. Mario got Peewee Gaskins who's, your boss, who's, just as liable to kill you as work with you, and then he hires, even more corrupt people. This morning,
It sounds sort of like an analogy to it. Maybe
going on in our current government may be any idea of someone surrounding himself with even more corrupt, stupid people dumber than normal flip one at a time trying to get to you, God. I want to mention a tweet there, but the Huckabee tweet, equating
Jeff Fisher Winston Churchill, yeah so much dumber anyway. Definitely just like other thing. I saw darkest hour the whole time I was like just like Trump, while it is just like God. Well, because
these people were less than impressive.
Got to do some self up a little bit and speaking of juicing up, let's get back to the Hearst for a second
number during all this ship. The coastal kills were still supposedly happening, but pee wee.
He never took the hearse on a coastal for obvious reasons. It's a hearse
It hurts. It hurts yeah and they're going to look yet they're looking to see if you are in fact the Addams family yeah I mean it was Gomez and Morticia inside making out speak in French, not going to tell how high I'm not going to tell highway patrol had to do their jobs, but if there is a horse- and there was not a funeral motorcade attached to Said- Hurst- pull it over just just sniff around just see. If there's any updates, Jefferson, punk people, it's all steampunk people, only Tempe, we use the her for the reason he jokingly told people he bought it, for
was in December of nineteen. Seventy three
committed, his fourth and fifth serious murders. Without a doubt, the worst ones of 'em all Doreen,
she was a single mother who knew pee wee. There was a carnival connections, but she was actually closer to pee, Wee's wife, his, I think the fifth one by this point I believe, but that
I mean a God dam thing to pee. Wee who'd already murdered a blood relation of few years before remember he murdered his niece this.
Is another example of peewee switch. Switching. His previous confessed motivations of racism to something else, but I cannot for the
give me imagine why key thought this story was better apiri.
You're right writing right now. It all
I tried it, but how everyone should live together on the cloudlet rainbows and that that that those are the only equal should be raised up to be equals, but those are above
that's what you're writing period.
You try to use the toilet.
he Dempsey who is white.
Two year old daughter with a black man and was pregnant again with another mixed race, child and according
p. We said in an interrogation following his arrest in which he was given sodium pen to fall a k, a truth serum. He said he
Doreen for mixing the races and he killed the little girl to spare what he said was
a life not worth living yeah that'll that'll fix it
is it yeah? That's always normal for law enforcement to give people like what the Russians give people to have them confessed to war crimes, I mean. Sometimes people use Social Carolina, it doesn't seem they just had it. They had it and they were like did you know? We've got this shit like yeah.
To that tiny little screaming all the time so, but in final
With Peewee said, that was only
what he wanted people to believe at the time. Oh, this is what he said about.
Is truth: serum confession:
Dayton session less for three days:
this mantra question they could think of, but I had my answers ready because I had worked everything out of my mind.
So what I said true- which made
things easier for the law to believe because they fit in with all the evidence,
the stories are told that the one about Doreen and her baby was laws that serves me better and sounded logical, so was accepted like
already explained and as a file
pee, I I'm to ask now: did Rudolph Real,
light the way for Santa Claus. Who's got ask yourself: the question
Is it why lot
through the Red Nose Reindeer Rudy involved in their society until he met his to prove his usefulness to them when his differentness allowed him to fit into their society when it wouldn't fit their needs? Yeah, Tristan, interesting indeed, hot takes on Rudolph the Red Nose reindeer that file to the longer he goes on. The Peewee Gaskins sounds like a combination between Charles Manson and detective popcorn. There is something that I think character. Why see is that I think like if I were to mesh those characters he would be. There
We went on to say that if law enforcement and judges and such believe he killed a pregnant woman and her infant daughter for racial reasons, they would say oh yeah, that makes sense and still charged with murder, but when given too much got for it outside of that, it's almost like he thought, he'd be getting out of jail yeah after because it's racially motivated, I yeah seven
I think he'll. I don't even think it wasn't that backwards. Wasn't, though, he's dumb so peewee
from the non racist angle said,
Doreen showed up at their house. One night distraught, saying she couldn't take life in Florence County as the mother of two mixed race, children, anymore, pee, wee
took Doreen aside and told her he'd allow her and her kids to live in a trailer of his in Charleston for free. But
return she had to do.
Anything you wanted sexually and she couldn't tell any
The pee wee was taken care of. He said that she accepted so
he told his wife that he was given Doreen and her two year old daughter, a ride to the bus station, so she could head to another city for a fresh start and a new life
That was the last time Doreen or her baby were ever seen alive. Now that part at least part,
We pee wee a him. A ride is true, the rest is tells it tells it in great detail and final truth is beyond Goldstar territory. Without a doubt,
Worst thing. I've ever read in my entire life.
That's saying a lot. It is yeah yeah, and you know personally I'd like to forget it
together. So we're not going to go into it in detail. Ok, now you don't want to rehash it can't really it's all in the breads in his eyes. I can see them. It's not going away were texting me about four hundred in the morning when we were first going through the episodes being like
see me little sentences from it. It it's bad.
Yeah yeah. He is really busy reminds me it's the it's the story of Davidito story. I mean it's that it's that level of it. I don't even think
enjoy hearing it's much worse than David Edo, and I know a few. You particularly sick out there vocally Tut tutting us right now, because we're not
going to go into this thing in great detail, but trust me this is something you do not want to know.
And this was, is it accurate over
Is this no idea? I don't we don't get it all up? No, no! No idea! It's it's a up thing to make up
yeah yeah yeah. I mean really
okay I'll get I mean what the clothes
I can tell you- is think of the worst scene in the movie.
A serbian film- and you know
I'd seen on talking about would see a movie is the worst scene. So I can't even pick one out yeah. Well, there were say it's the worst scene. We all know what the worst scene s, but take that and said it
the back of a hearse next to a swamp and
that there is a possibility that it's true, but it actually happened-
all we really know is two gears later
Green's body was found buried in a two foot. Deep grave
under a sawdust pile near pee. Wee's house in the baby was found, stuffed in an old stump hole and covered in dirt disappear,
was never investigated mostly because once peewee left to take her to the bus station
she was finally out of everyone's hair. She was pretty much forgotten people did.
Really give much of a about Doreen
and obviously this is the reason why he came up with the racism angle, because he knew that if what he did to get to the kid had got
How would he last in prison? Yeah he's eighty eight, you said if it got out. He said he wouldn't last five minutes in prison for someone check raises my
The question is, I wonder, of all of the things he did. I guess Peewee Gaskins is also very much in the realm of
killer, who loves experiences, and then he gets
keyboard almost and that he does
this kind of stuff as a shock, and I wonder if it's almost a shock to himself. I don't know if he made the story up, he does
I killed her. So that's a process killer yeah. He absolutely I mean that if you were to
fake pee wee at his word. He is absolutely a process killer, because every time he
kill someone even his. You know, even the ones that we know he kill he either just down
I'm in the water or
he or he buried them. You know,
after they were dead. He didn't care about him at all. He wasn't like a Dahmer where he was looking for the product. He was all
all about the process and again, if you or in the highway patrol you see a hearse pulled over
yeah just pull it off. Now you can now most of the time it's on the way, your cons, but holding other boots and they're all of their weird ideas, like you say that about well
As the storytelling goes. You know we going back
on his racist police was narratively the only way he could tell the horrific story that he did and really what makes you feel weird.
In South Carolina 70s racism or baby fucking baby funky
That's my I mean that's that's what I tell you quick to answer on that one. This is a satirical show and now I have to say, dark
that is what we do here, giving you edutainment through dark humor, it's dark humor, but it is it's very true. You know which, which he chose yeah, which one of those two things which one of those two things are going to make pee wee sound like more sympathetic, know the meanest baddest motherfucker to ever exist and that's what he wanted. That's the whole point of final truth. Ok, yes, so bad!
time in his life. Pee was the head of a fairly successful car theft rings. Henry said earlier: he have
boys head over to the north side of Charleston. Steal cars then bring him back to pee wee for stripping
yeah, but this isn't like gone in sixty seconds. No, this is like gone in. Seventy two minutes were just them just struggle to be a lot by my days, lock, beggar and decker every year, and he was like goddamnit. I got
Johnny, just just
Robert older card you're, not Robin newer carpet, all just feel up to pee wee you're, smarter than me. So you just tell me where to just steal it.
And bring it back here to get the Beagle boys were real humans on the Beagle boys, there were yeah from duck tales. Of course. Of course,
the business like this, the people you're going to be dealing with, aren't going to be exactly honest or particularly intelligent. Pretty
we ran some trouble with a couple of his cohorts: Jesse
Trudy and Johnny Sellers Jesse Ruth Trudy, that's a woman
yeah, ok, yeah, Jesse, Jesse, Ruth Trudy, that's a tough one.
Tongue. There really is there really actually like it? Cheshyre Trudy Jesse Ruth Trudy. Now the
The police line here is that the whole thing was either a murder for hire affair or a favor for a buddy. They said
Trudy's Ex husband, James Judy paid Pee wee to kill Jesse Trudy in Johnny Sellers, because Johnny Sellers stolen James Judy's, wife, Jessie, Trudy, ok, now say it again with marbles in your mouth. So Jesse Trudy Jesse Tree
Ex husband, James Judy paid Pee wee
will Jesse Trudy Anjani sellers, because Johnny sellers had stole James shoot his wife Jessie truth. Is this like a common core math question? I don't know the answer yeah. Well, maybe this will clear it up. Johnny sellers had live with Jesse Trudy and James Judy, but James Judy had picked up a bad drug habit which caused Trudy to leave Judy and run into the arms of Johnny yeah. I see
actually it's. The story of the room. Yeah is the plot of the room. I've also, oh, my mom. Also it is it's just South Carolina's version of dynasty. I sees a week Peewee gaskins, walk into the scenario as the smoky cute little assassin- I don't know if that's true and the tensions were raised even higher, because Judy and Johnny both work with peewee and about
e in Johnny's relationship, Peewee, said quote them to.
We need to see balls balls about nothing. I'm sorry,
Oh, you never heard that old saboteur, no even a friend or so close in alignment on opinion, yeah that your balls cut each other. I don't like it: no, never that black balloons mashed together in a closet, while you're sitting in there just rubbing your dick in your balls, all over them balloons and love the erotic squeaky noises they make. When you rub your balls all over the luscious thick with the field,
with air balloon yeah, so
due on December, twenty four through the twenty fifth, you help Anybody LLC, sometimes all volunteer over at the soup Kitchen Santa Claus delivers guess on the twenty fourth or the twenty fifth, depending on who and what you want really well, even though he we made sure to mention two guys didn't see balls the balls about enough, and we said jealousy, wasn't the reason behind the murders and James Judy had nothing to do with it, because eventually, James Judy went down for this murder. He got ten years because
I believe that he had higher higher peewee to commit them.
He says the reason why he murdered Trudy and Johnny was because Johnny had sold a bunch of car parts for pee wee and had passed along the money. Did the prosecutors say that was
Judy that committed yeah James Judy was the one that hired attire peewee to kill, Johnny and Trudy did the prosecutor. Let the jury know that Judy and Pee wee war seem ball table because that's crucial if the jury knows they're seeing balls the balls that are legally binding, South Carolina contract, so so, in other words, pee wee
impatient patient on a debt like, I said not that sick
see it's nowhere near as sexy as gunrunners, and all that bullshit right, just car parts and debts the way p, we kill them
just leave Johnny into the woods with the promise of a big burglary score. Then he she
Johnny in the head, once Johnny figured out what was happening and tried running away
We went back picked a Jesse brought her out to the same spot, told her what he done and stabbed her to death. Okay in
that's another interesting thing about it. Is that they're very fast, quick, simple murder in its business yeah? It's
spell business. All of this has got to do with them, fucking him over, because he keeps hiring more stupid, corrupt people to work for him right and that's why
the murder of the baby and what he did in feeding other force. Feeding, other woman pills and soda is stuff. That really makes no sense everything else 'cause. He is small. It is difficult for
overpower somebody unless it's by fucking surprise like he did the power man and got him on the toilet. Like that's like that's how a small man operates, you hide under thing,
if you went to sleep so in his mind, he's like Joe Pesci from good fellows or something, but in reality it's much dumber than that? A lot dumber than that
after he killed him. He buried him in the same spot, making
Trudy and Johnny Sellers, the first two Dennis
The p actual private graveyard, which would be the resting place of
four more bodies before it was all said and done and of course there were still the costals
Peewee said he was still killing at the rate of at least once a month. Sometimes multiple people at once
like the two boys, he city, castrated, enforced feather on testicles to before sealing up the wounds with molten, plum bum that didn't happen, but but
I will think is interesting. Is that that is a way that the mob kills people for snitching, so
It sounds like a thing that he had heard from the wise men. I don't know if that's the way that the mob kills people yeah for snitching refuse
Edge and they wack you and then they cut off your dick and balls, and they put it in your mouth. Is that right now the cartels training no kidding well yeah,
You better watch it now, I'm not gonna, I'm not doing anything, I'm going to say that you know anything about them up. No, I'm not! I don't you know something about tomorrow. You want to talk about it on the podcast, so I don't know I don't I don't know anything about any, Graham Ave. No, I don't know. I love things. That's like that documentary. The war, though
It will tell when the guy talks about coming up on their soldiers and they all their testicles in their mouths and then the guy.
Great looks at the cameras like we didn't take any prisoners after that
yeah 'cause it'll angry. I absolutely adore Henry. If someone kills you
balls in your mouth- and you guys
literally, it seems all the ball, but I will I will aggressively, hunt them down. Thank you. I probably do that. I will. I will do it, but this whole thing about
Coastal's and the graveyard. It begs the question: if p, we
is killing on the coast in transporting the bodies inland to catch up, town and such and keeping these bodies so well head that none of them were ever found. Why, wouldn't
We transport bodies, the other way towards the
places. He said he dumped coastal bodies were at about the halfway point between the coast. In
area where he bounced around and yet the ones
be personally connected to the serious murders were
damn near in his own backyard,
is also common for serial killers.
Idea of having just a very small hunting ground in a small area where you douche right. I think
also bodies are probably full of. I don't think he did hardly any of those coastal for any at all. Right right,
speak in a serious murders. Peewee was about to start making actual money with those with uh
for hire of Silas Gates. The pew wheeze
hang out with SAM's club. Oh, I don't remember what are we going to SAM's club
got the membership to SAM's club, my mother made it seem like it was very difficult to get, and then we walked in there and just my family. My mom carries it around in a little lanyard, yeah same same membership, yeah and she's, like not, everyone gets to come to SAM's club at it, and I was like I'll have the mayonnaise. He said about that quote: science
well, it was my favorite club of all. I was
hello there, everybody
told Maine when you walk,
How do you have to pretend to be somebody else to get a second round of samples and if I wanted to just pop a nap half it completely apart, one of them forty eight toilet paper pallets,
build the ultrasofts charm and you don't want where the bears water shut off of each other. Another Herschel I've seen those commercials yeah. Well, you two are kind of confused right now, just as I was because it's
far into the Silas Yates chapter, that Peewee specifies that SAM's club was in fact a bar and no I'm not the chain of membership. Only retail warehouses on my walmart. Only man, you could get trampolines and lawn mowers, all the frozen meatballs you ever wanted. You could get nine pounds oatmeal pounds of peanut butter, yeah, it's great over there. No way was that one of the issues when it came to overeating as a child. With my mother said you gotta, eat all the mayonnaise before it goes bad yeah yeah. I will admit that I pictured the setup for this whole murder for hire situation. Take
place in a SAM's club. For quite a few pages,
in order to avoid confusion, know that when we say SAM's club we're talking about a bar
So in one thousand nine hundred and seventy five pee wee's last year, freedom, he was hanging.
At SAM's club, when he was a
by man. He knew from prison. Named John, William Powell Powell said a friend of his was
to get some revenge on a former lover and Powell figure. Peewee was just the man for the job,
the client was Suzanne Kipper an attractive blonde who'd been involved with
read wealthy landowner. Name,
yeah eight. Now a fan on twitter tick me off about seizing kippers family tree
your nephew used to refer to her as aunt monkey.
Who shot nephew be but Rob Thomas of Matchbox, twenty just likely you're sure it's the same as the emotional Nassau Get, Mario, oh, my God, matchbox. Twenty really one of the better bands to come out of that horrible time for music match.
The blind thirty sources, matchbox? Twenty I'm going to bed about third eye blind every day of the week. Every day of the week, I fucking despise matchbox twenty honestly
It's really. If there was a license to listen to music, I would have yours remote. So there is not online music is or I will be. Government music is for everyone, so there isn't a license for that. Is there and rob top that was? He was good matchbox. Twenty, it's funny! Matchboxes Linda number, one laser! I think you should take them
because I think it's getting too you matchbox. Twenty is not good. Is especially in horse indian on checking off the music of the time there is so much better music in that time. Just on that, I bought so I'm just simply comparing them to third eye blind. Well, if you're going to hear me, compare him to life house, why are they better by Lifehouse Lifehouse? Yes, they're, better than White House?
band is Lifehouse. Well, you tell Aunt monkey that weird that you would say that. So, let's get back to the murder. Here. Things have been
pretty hot and heavy between Yates and Kipper for a while, with Yates, eight sewn
property just to buy Kipper gifts such as a trailer in a brand new sports car. But after things cooled off and
it's presumably realized when an idiot he was being called the whole thing off and tried taking some of the bigger gift back.
And this didn't sit well with aunt monkey
custom to a lifestyle?
She decided the only way she was going to keep her new trailer and sports. Car was for Silas, yay
to die. So she off
pee wee one thousand dollars to kill her ex sugar daddy and after
we negotiated from one thousand up to one thousand five hundred. He came up with a plan I'll give
thousand dollars to kill my ex lover now. Do it for seven hundred
You want to first, I'm I'm giving you a thousand for it, I'm
I'll, do it for seven hundred he'll, do it for six hundred and forty five? Oh that's going wrong. You wanna go up! I'm just trying to help you out here, a few weeks I'll. Do it
for two million dollars. A little high movie compromise at one thousand five hundred god he's good at this.
This is Peewees plan, First
He called a woman named Diane Neely die
was the Ex wife of another one of Pee Wee's prison, buddies, Walter Neely who's, going to play a huge role:
this story later on, so people keep hiring. Here we go
skins, as this silent
assassin, they will carry out their
bad deeds in the shadows, but his tactics every time it's just
tell a bunch of people about what he's doing. He is it's not like they're, getting Jason stay thin model shop here. This is a much different situation. Well I mean even then he didn't get caught
for a long time. It was working out pretty good, for it is astonishing to me everything tells every everyone knows this guy's a serial killer, no well
Not really I mean 'cause he's not here he's joking he's telling the truth they just they think they think he's joking. An really like very few people do know about these murders uh. You know it's true, yeah, very few people, yeah very few people, know about these murders and we're about to get
it's fine with telling a few people about the murders. Diane's job was to be the bait to get Silas Yates out of his trailer and on the night in question. Diane went up to
it trailer knocked on the door and told him she was having car trouble. Thanks. Excuse me. I have a flat also my boo
I notice the boobys or out, but your car looks totally fine to Maine yeah. He knows he touched my elbows icon. I don't don't care, come get him. I don't know wow, I'm! Actually, I'm a little birdy shut the door. It's going to shut this,
It's got outside Peewee, sprung out from behind the car and pointed a gun in his face. That gun was pee wee
rusty barrette, which he had no shed.
What's his name on to both sides with an electric pencil, it is completely true. It looks
like a scene out of a Christmas story. If you look up p, we gaskins Beretta it
p. We just call
I've been through the side of it, but not like a fucking asshole, not just pee, wee butt, Pee Wee Gaskins internal name. He carved on his murder weapon, that's brilliant, but it's just that so genius that is literally what it's, the equivalent of people filming their murders or their crimes on Instagram. That is what it is about this that won't get it mixed up when we do the gun
how to I say
Old Silas that if he didn't do what he said, Peewee would quote blow him a new nostril. So Silas did what he was told and got into the trunk. Peewees car pee then met up.
With his contact, the people that have put him in
with Suzanne Camper. He took Silas.
The truck the out pulled out the aforementioned eleven which knife we took to took to tooth pick and ran
it's through Yates Chest over and over until Yates, was dead, brutal said,
he then made the other two men buryats as he was only paid for killing and killing, was all he was going to do. Do you think he pointed to a
interacting with like you'll note. At no point does it say I have to bury anything I will not dresses and out. I will not perform proofread your Christmas party, I'm x, and these items out there get a lawyer. Look at these damn contracts. It'll read the final print yeah, it's not the final print. It's one of those things about pee wee. He line item vetoes a lot of the elf content in all of our murder contracts with them so yeah it was buried the job
done in the three men went their separate ways, a peewee said after he killed Yates.
Track down. Suzanne Kipper aka monkey. He said pretty soon. They start
a sexual relationship pee wee.
Damn sure to say as many times as he could, how good looking a monkey was
he's proud of his piece, proud of his lady
yes, so peewee. We said this about
Eagle, when she was relaxed with me. Even when we was laughing together, I could feel her fear
she was the one who told me that whenever I combed she filled and smell
and tasted violence and death in it
just whole cigarette.
Dinner that, because that's all I had was chicken tenders and gatorade. The last thing I want to think of it. I would literally rather think about Grandpa from Texas Chainsaw massacre having a sexual relationship. That is
by no evidence whatsoever that these two had any relationship outside of her hiring him to murder, her ex boyfriend, a crime for which
she did end up going to jail for as well. A lot of people went down around Pee Wee Gaskins when he got caught, but most
quickly, this whole thing
just another one of Pee Wee's yarns created for final truth, all right, but we've got
a few more yards to go we'll get to in the conclusion,
pee Wee gaskins in episode. Two hundred and ninety nine point, seven thousand five hundred and ten, two ninety nine point: seventy five have a very big show plan for episode. Three hundred so we're waiting- and this ended up just being at this show head a lot
for information that we wanted to. So it's like it's either one episode of an hour and forty five minutes, but I think it's better to split it up. So you get one more week there was pee wee, gaskins and you're going to see. What surprises we have to do is also fun because he's a short guy, so it gets a little short episode. Hagen said. Well I mean this episode was still an hour. Long though I know, but I'm just saying he's got a point, five point: seventy five days till you know they give this more room to do. Oh
rescue pulling out pulling out the shocker the stun gun that he got Jackie Zebrowski for Christmas. Why do
I want to get your sister arrested. I don't want to get arrested. You can legally have them here and it's for her to protect herself
to aggressively pursue people that are well. I would think I was vetoed on a lot. I wasn't allowed to have a get a stun baton for the house. That sounds fun. You can have a beer in the city Tom, but Tom like in demolition. Man yeah
like in uh in shape of water? The future is now future is here where I'm gonna eat Taco Bell and get a stun gun. That's what that's what I learned
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