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that shit. You didn't hear is that kiss will try to say it three times, but it is difficult and guess what Rodney Alcoa Alcoa, who gives a fuck reputation he's nothing. You have no s name once you're dead, Rodney was an american serial murderer who probably killed ten women and children between one thousand nine hundred and seventy one and one thousand nine hundred and seventy nine, although his murdering career may have and probably did start much earlier than what we know- this is one of those subterranean serial killer. screw times. We ve talked about in the past, about oh we in our minds lots of times serial killers are fairly obvious coming toward right light. Your jays covered and blood Jeffrey Dahmer to hurt you jerky dancing on late at night. Legally, there are things I think tell a serial killer like get kind of transmit. The signal of a sincere people get the speedy said

that someone might not be necessarily right, yes, but Rodney Alcoa, mind does not have any of those ok. although Rodney is most often called the dating game killer owing to his appearance as a contestant on the popular game show and nineteen seventy eight, a more accurate name for Rodney might be the picture killer, see Alcoa was not a bizarre car like tat Monday. He was not a sneak up and shoot killer like David Berkowitz, normal was stumble around she avail. Nor was he a hot and kill animals like Andrei Chica Tello. Instead, Alcoa was a wolf in Sheep's clothing. Using is good, looks and charm to lure potential victims, especially the children. With a simple question. Want to see a pretty picture, but my gun and again how many times have we set throughout the years of last pot gas in the left? No one has ever.

I prefer reasoners, maybe for again meet somebody who says they are there not normal in the pretty pictures, just gonna, be there cock after a rubber band has been tight around for ten hours. You don't look at me like you, ve got a verbal in that and I thank you for showing pretty picture that haven't. You know, but I'm just saying no point party we engage with the baby, is a cabbage daddy. I feel against more predatory hours. I met a woman randomly and said you want to see a fawn picture and I pulled a crumpled end that is out of my Glasgow now, if you knew it. Ok, I understand now, as will see, Alcoa was just as if not more scared. then a break in inner killer like Richard Ramirez, but since Alcoa never admitted any of the murders and therefore never talked about them. He never quite caught the attention of the media, like some of the other famed serial killers dead,

but that's kind of what makes him scary right. The lack of Chauvelin is ass. Speaking to that point, Alcoa honestly seems like the type a guy. That's just to scary D. About a killer with no real victim type, no age bracket and no preference on where he commits the murders, in addition to being nomadic and inhumanly brutal Alcoa beat strangled rape, molested and burned. He used his nails, his fists, his hands and hardware. He read, He mangled he mutilated and then posed the bodies afterwards in such horrifying ways that they rival the crime scenes of Danny Rolling, and they made all the more shocking by virtue of being done in public

he's in there was actually the intro of the dating game. Isn't it was a little end, but he's a type, a guy we murkison I, this is maybe uncouth but markers, and I talk a little bit during our production call about the concept of some serial killers are in it for an explosive reaction that they get from their crimes and they longed to be caught like generally Dahmer, even in his own way, John Wayne Gacy, even though he did his best to hide it. Just like the idea of keeping all of these bodies inside of your own home. Eventually, you know for a fact, so, even if its deep, deep compartmentalize deep down someone's going to figure this shit out, one important right but Rodney Alcoa is what you'd call a career killer. He's had a type of person very similar to Bt

hey. That would have gone on to continue to kill for as long as possible and the way you do that is it. You don't talk about your crimes, so, unlike other serial killers- and we talk about the past about how their numbers are probably exaggerated- brows debate- they talked shit so much ass. caught somebody like riding Alcoa, probably has many more victims than the one he was caught, while that so much more scary see rallies only consistent. While I was in how he lowered his victims to their doom, Alcoa was a photographer of some small talent, and using his camera and his charm. He was able to both isolate his victims and low. Their inhibitions by appealing to their vanity all without using any force. Furthermore, Alcoa was also operating at the same time and in the same places as some of the most notorious serial killers of the seventies.

completely by coincidence, which end up muddling investigations on opposite coats it's all the lead, but I mean it's all the lead. The lead poisoning yeah yeah. It's why it's happening over one zero killers happening at this time period and the tube occasions with three locations. He kill people and slurry he probably had dozens of locations it was constantly going from New York to allay for years him we I've been eaten, lead or that twenty five years- and I have never even thought about hurt anyone on letter that mostly iota it is nice to have you here, doktor foul gee, I'm not a what this amounts to is that Rodney, alkalis, true body count, is undoubtedly far far higher than the ten that were provable and after we're done with this series, you might join us in thinking that Alcoa may have been one of the most prolific and

serial killers in american history is certainly no end. Dennis no nice nice. Here, though, I do have to give him some credit on that so even when he s got what's his name's hair he's got the guy from Queens Hair, Readin Org no, no Brian may he does our brain may here without us out. So, even when he got right even when he got to prison, he didn't start bragging, you didn't go and knowing that is really rare. Ok, never too, he was imprisoned for fifty years, ass. An never wants, even come, came close to copy to any crime. I'm sure we'll get to it, but was it guilt know he's a type of person that these crimes are secrets and also his prizes. They need the memories that he has our sacred to him. He You don't like making guys out to be super scary unless podcast on the left like, because that is the whole idea is mostly mostly. These people are in effect

toolbox, dumpling fucking do anything Ronnie, alkalis this one of those like a richer Ramirez or TED Bundy, who is actually very, very dangerous type of person. That is, you can be very easily fooled by because he's tall even by the producers of the data and gave a year, because he, the view, did that is private? Ok is his murders, worry it in what he did was for him. It was what he did and he does, I think, than improbably in some way shape or form deep inside. He viewed that if you told everybody the details of his crimes, it would sully the sacredness of the act through himself like a macabre mental in Google, perhaps ass among them now, but I think private. The reason why

He didn't tell talk about the crimes ever as I think on some level there was some in his mind. That said, maybe I'll get out, maybe I'll get away with it. Maybe because that's how much killing was a part of his dna, because that's really all that matter tat the only thing that matters them was killing. That's it everything in his life. Oh informed that urge yes, those they gave ass if the seller uh yeah that I think that's why you never talked about it, because you got that, maybe maybe maybe he can get away with it our, but before we get to the story, which is gonna, get very brutal very quickly, let's acknowledge our source. Today we ve got the dating game, kill,

by Stella Sands, which is another well researched, meat and potatoes. True crime narrative now one of the things that most baffling about Rodney outlet is that, despite the severity and sheer volume of his crimes, his childhood was bereft of abnormal tragedy or abuse in this he's like Dennis Ray Ok, a Bt K who also seem to have come out of the womb as a fully formed predator and stealthily. So because, as a little kid he didn't do any of the tell tale shit that said that he later on, he live a life of crime. So I was kind of this picture perfect little boy which again it's some form of did lay in wait or is it always there now round me out, I was born Rodrigo Jacques Alcoa, Boo, claw August twenty thirty nineteen, forty three in San Antonio one child amongst for others man. We can't get his head out of the boat I grew up last name something less French

Suppose we wonder why? Goodness that's a horrible doktor thing to say as a gangster, he got good grades. He was well like and was never reported to have any significant problems whatsoever. The one trauma of his childhood was when his father abandoned the family when Rodney was twelve, but that sort of thing has been happening, single day since the concept of family was established. Men have been trying to do not have the cons, the family for a long time and the sort of sustained trauma that usually produces a monster like Alcoa commonly starts far earlier in the killers life. Now, after all, these father abandoned the family, never to return the remaining alkalis move to LOS Angeles, their Rodney dated took piano lessons literate in cross country and joy the year vocs staff showing no signs that there was a murderous rage, Bubblin up and

yet the signs are there. It's called the yearbooks died when he was an unusual step, yet Loki Luminal. So again, in your house alone, we wondered class and also like all the pictures you get. Everyone's pictures of the you're behind the scenes. You see other sausages made here, but the staff it's good just ass. The thing you know like controlled the purview its entire school in the history of this school instruments when a pictures are shower NATO's? How to move on to the peoples of the school up up up up? Why didn't I get up here? serve me wrestling in the your book. They don't want to have all the people rise up against the giant amongst them we'll be there. I wonder, rugged passed at the seller while such great jokes after high school,

Ronnie join the army to become a paratrooper, oh, but ended up serving his time as a clerk, which was something he was quite good at. Unlike other serial killers, you spent time in the service. I actually did a little bit of research into this an action right, because we have had many serial killers pop up that have military experience. Nato, Morocco is a draft or something here we're. Gonna Porsche he's he joined in the late fat lay fifties early sixties wasn't drafted by we I mean it. You got Leonard Lake, he got David Berkowitz, you got Dennis Rater Dennis Raider and I was looking at this end, the all kind of say the same thing: the study our reading, which it will mean the most of it, makes sense, which is the idea of disengagement. The concept w create a I killable human. In your my leg, you basically that's why they have like there too

did Sir just silhouettes. If human beings, these not you stopping them its people and its that's one thing, but I dont think it explains at all, because the one do you would debenham most people come back for more. While they are scarred a lot of times. They don't come back wanting to kill. More and more Pm United Sniper probably is less PTSD than someone who is to work in the clerical section. I doubt not all the major ones. Some snipers are very happy to ask us now, but the one thing that came up that thought was interesting is he said the one and write about people bet sign up for the military is they said they score low on agree, a bull meters and also what does that mean that what does that mean? I don't know what that means absolutely Sidney. Apparently these are the people that join the armed forces are on the whole less agreeable, but don't worry,

all agreed and get their asses kick for like ten years in basic and then go yet yelled at all. The time think it takes a highly independent spirit, then gets funneled into something. But it's weird, because how does that also like? How does it creates zero killer? I'm that's certain doesn't at all not even close, because if you look at the serial killers that we ve covered, who have military service, the number of zero killers who saw combat is zero seriously zero by that what a member there was one who is the guy that said that he I came a rude Syracuse that, like made up a whole bunch of fuckin so ass, he might have been in combat bud Leonard Lake that wasn't. He wasn't like most have worked, unlike radar, fucking clerical shed, like the Berkowitz ever saw, Combat Leonard Lake never saw com Dennis Raider never saw combat known stationed in Japan and actually spent most of his fuckin time stocking japanese women like on may so there was a different kind of training opposed.

Really was now that's where tennis rate a learned: it wasn't knocking women into the world's fattest ninja. That's why you're so good that it just as is the only thing that Rodney Alcoa has that you can compare to other serial killers has been like, I guess, Sultan, take them off or something happen and it happened when he was at the military happened when he was in the military, and we don't worry, says that what he is referring to is. Thank you first, ES. Thank you, minister. One in all, thank you for your service, but things started breaking down in nineteen sixty two, when Rodney was informed that his father had died at the age of fifty five, even worse, Rodney D. I heard that the elder Alcoa had re married and started a new family since leaving his first brood gadget, show no man, if daddy be fucking in baby, can be fucking

talking to you from all right, he's a big baby, we're busy, but I could still be pocket sure he died of fifty five. But yes, what about a year later, Alcoa arrived at his mother's home unexpected having gone? a wall from the arm. This is especially surprising because Rodney had been stationed at Fort Bragg in North Carolina. And that he'd hitchhiked all the way to LOS Angeles and Missis. what kind of creeping, because your shows up just be like hey mom, what's up you, don't they dont know why he came home. He had no reason and apparently in the army would he was just kind of doing where he was just not doing stuff now. Look he kind of through this period of time where they go like do. I guess it readily used when you're supposed to go in and like meat capital other boys and sit around gets measured for heights and everybody overshoes shown opens up right. He was supposed to go and he just kind of sit and they d, like private

Let's go, and he says that he just look at em disconnect. Moreover, the day ago today, the day I said so, I think I need some part time a hard time. Very keen and Thompson from s analyses just there the idea of making up Jack. That's what I love him through ruddy eventually turned himself and foregoing a wall, but he was hospitalized instead of jailed according to his superiors is Henry said: Ronnie had suffered a nervous breakdown in the weeks it up to his desertion upon the routine examination following this mental breakdown army psychiatrist discovered some disturbing and surprising things he eats egg with a spoon you're really may I even around he has shown no signs of being anything but stable. As far as we know, he was discharge

from the army after being diagnosed with anti social personality disorder. Chronic and severe. Do you think he just sat the chair upside down did like Robin stay where you are different from work and mending like why we need to cast anybody else. There's an alien right here. How did you get kicked out for that? You need at eight that do things I don't know what happened in that interview, because it's really fucked up right, because no one talks about him having they social disorder any any any fuckin bullet on the screen, but let me get into it alone, but I mean anti social anti social Now. The disorder is basically the serial killers disease. Sure. But you know it's like not all people who have a p d or serial killers, but all serial killers have a pity to some extent, isn't a big old Lake Umbrella term too, for like it's pretty umbrella yeah. I guess what I didn't hear me. You mean guy and other. I just give you a beady. Well I mean it's to it

to rise by long term pattern, a disregard for the rights of others with a weak or non existent consciences, coupled with a Baroness NED Lunar, that's Garabin that deserve our demand. Tat saves should a personality online by Jack, together with work on what we're talking about whether the entire anti social sweater. I don't know what I'm talking about all this is coupled with a history of impulsive or aggressive behaviour, but Rodney hadn't yet exhibited any of the over symptoms that you, We flash a red light for anti social personality disorder, and this is really what made Ronnie Alcoa so dangerous. While many serial killers can't help but attract attention

towards themselves even outside of their murders. Alcoa, like Bt K could go under the radar. That's no scary! Yap teaches debt, they D, they did the tests, which I'm sure like it's. I mean it's, not the type. Tat s where he is a baby stab. It remain Not you objects yet well. Can you really gets we get we're gonna. Give you the question again. We'll get you options. You know Arafat stab at the wrong. It's ok, here's a stab at our feet. It stay you mean you pleaded here certainly did not answer some other idea to bring the wrong answer really the The reason why Alcoa ever got caught that he focused on the victims that honour, the most attention in America, pretty white women and little white girls. Oh my god, I didn't

all the kids stuff, yeah, really an idea where you're one s person to it, my graduate it begins and ends with it. Have we soon after he was discharged from the army, he would attempt his first murder of the latter. Can I also me we'll have a one other question before we get into gold star totally. Do you think that, in this meeting, when they have this, they kicked him out for anti social personality disorder? Do you think it's one of the things that they also could have labelled him with something just so they could take him out of there me because he was bad at it like as it did. They go that far into things that they say they just want you to stay there, and then they punish you a whole bunch of than that's kind of fun for them too. But if you're like touching guys dicks while they sleep and stuff a lot of times, unless everybody's do in one big day, GI chain nature, I think that the most time they say like key suffering from exhaustion, relax I'll put you in jail. Now they just put you in jail he'd gone a wall by this point menaces then they just fuckin death, that's as if they think like. Oh, just not good at it, and you ran away you're going to jail

really are not yeah yeah. Do you settle this? Aren't supposed to be soldiers? Man, oh, that our union volunteered ago have not been recruited. Applause. you're too choreographed this summer play o my son arrived just last point. We were really into the deep type. Do you think he'd in talk about his crimes because TED Bundy and talk about killing the girl? Do you think it was because it was child related and if you fuckin match de killed children off with his head in Brazil. Now again that we again that immediately, why that doesn't hold up. Ok after recovering from his nervous breakdown in his mother's home in Monterrey, Part California, Alcoa, returned to his old, charming self and was accepted the California State University, where he graduated with a bachelor fine art focusing on photography in nineteen. Sixty eight calcite, not fucking around two calcium, is a legit that's it I'm running out. Roddy alkaloids is also a legally intelligent person like his his iq

that that I'm I know I q is like whatever, but still his iq was a hundred and forty when he took the testing Cal state geese highly intelligent next fall. debated by some mysterious reasoning, Rodney Alcoa tried killing for the first time but, like I said, since alkalies never admitted to any murders, he might have been killing long before this one. This is just the first one that he got caught on the nature of the crime. It does some like someone already amid ask Ok, on a nice day in September, Rodney Alcoa, we inherited gold star warning Lingering on an own goal sends me: that's me jingling a gold star at you, like you're, a dog. I began and this is the first three in this episode. Ok

guidance. It is called star episode, jewels and also now on is just a visit following called syrup is ok. A nice day in September, Rodney Alcoa was driving his car down sunset Boulevard when he noticed an eight year old girl, skippin down the sidewalk. He pulled over stuck his head out the window and learn, but the little girls name was taller Shapiro using the oldest trick in the book. Alcoa offered her a ride to school, saying that he was a friend of her parents. This didn't convinced tally, but when alkalis said he had a pretty picture to shower she hopped in the car. So the only thing that saved Tommy Shapiro life was that a good Samaritan named Donald Haines was also driving along Sunset Boulevard inside but a man was obviously trying to convince a little girl to get into his car and which we are does its use thing the Chateau Marmara, which also has a history of weird, should going on. So this whole this whole areas like me.

Golly, shady as it is now after she got it. They drove off Donald tailed them to alkalies apartment on Delong Pre Avenue, where he watched them both walk inside and sensing that all this was very wrong. He called the police and told him the whole story asking Hake just check on this sort. Can fuckin sleep tonight? What do you mean and ruin that little girls audition? My goodness? Unfortunately, though, the LAPD doesn't exactly jump on situations that only have the possibility of being bad, so cops showed up knocking on Rodney door. Some time had passed,

upon hearing the loud banging Alcoa pop his head out the window and told Officer Chris Camacho give a second because he just got out of a shower when Ronnie didn't open the door and when he stopped communicating altogether officer Camacho broke inside immediately. Camacho sought that there were piles of lewd photographs of young girls all over the room and a fresh trail of blood was leading from the living room to the kitchen when Camacho ran to see where it lead. He found Polly naked in a pool of her own blood in the time between their arrival and officer, Camacho, Alcoa had strangled, beat, raped and dashed in the skull of Tally Shapiro. Finally, he lay in a heavy metal bar across her neck, as the slow instrument of death was presumably alkalis was watching her slow

we chose to death when Officer Camacho showed up. This is what I'm talking about with has escalated approach. If this is, it was in his first crime. He thought about this for a long time, because what he'd well yeah, you're ready, seems mid game here, yes, and also the pictures already had hung picture so he's already bullies because he took her where these polish occasional goes back home, always pictures. He took on board, and so we now know that this is not the first of these is definitely I mean my mind, not the first time, Graham by I think so too, but he's very similar Bt K, which I think is what makes him hyper dangerous, because this is the thing is that he does not kill quickly. It is along progressed period and he does joke and release joke and release arouse. Yes, when stink, develop, Camacho removed, the bar from tallies neck and checked her pulse only to find that she was still alive. But just barely Alcoa, however, had run out the back and was long gone

the EC is here to make a choice. He saw the guy jumpy he's a basically saw him jump out the back window and he's like I can either get this girl out of this enlargement or I could go on Third, the guy Jellia it chose ratios correctly saved a little girls life, of course, than Roddy at a very difficult decision of like do I leave or do Stu with all my pictures might have my six years. Oh yeah, annually data is no. I cloud there's no, oh, my god what a horrible seen attali eventually regained consciousness, but after she re learned how to walk only for family quit their jobs and move to Mexico, while tally. Mercifully still maintains that she remembers none of what happened after arriving at Alex, apartment we'll talk about it. She's been on documentaries like red, there's, a rainy uncle, a documentary by Think CBS Dead, the chief about your sword: retiring medicos. She didn't talk about for years, cozy girl, because you will see Rodney Alcohol had a hard time stay and in jail

I like this is all before the dating game right away before. Ok, again, producers out there, just triple Jack every contested is never guilder girl. I know: did this as the best a pool of you see. That's why I don't do this was a decade before the dating game. Oh my god! Ok, we'll, concerning Alcoa after fleeing the scene, came evident, that he could no longer stay in LOS Angeles, at least for the time being, so, as was possible in nineteen sixty eight, he moved across the country to New York City. he applied and was accepted to n Y you under the false name of John Burger man. I could even get a pass to go.

And why you, but suppose it high intellectual John Burner when I made the daddy Burger, Hey John Bob Invasion, cargo only Johnny welcome up these agreed Well, come to and why you, lady, Gaga, killed a roommate We learn that Tom Cruise been lucky and I think you have allowed a lot of opinions up their missionaries arise gives you definitely o dangerous one. Incredible our great from nineteen sixty eight to nineteen. Seventy one Alcoa attended classes work as a security guard to pay his to it, Reportedly worked well in group film projects and in his first brush with an infamous killing, took classes taught by a roman Polanski, just book,

or share, and tat was murdered, I'm only when they talk about yeah control for the same girl here. That's it we're back. As you can see. The friendship happening where they both grab for the save twelve year old girl may look at each other much harm young innocent person. You wanna call me ride me: the names Journey Burke, ardor, jutted burger. Of course my name is roman No, Poland, Roman Pirogue, ISA about keeping open in Barodia, always every summer, starting in Ten sixty nine now Alcoa work as a councillor at a drama and arts Camp girls in New Hampshire, Rhino regional Ray. I did nothing happened there

is known as the most popular counselor to all the girls and was considered to be a natural born, even brilliant teacher, by all his bosses. He taught therefore, three years can I say my belief system is as that He did that as training. I think they were to speak to people. He did it as human training, I think they really wanted to put himself and cause how many times you guys talk about this? It's a self chow, where'd they go in. I like guys. Really double lives for a long time with BT gay. I can guarantee that very similar with Bt K story were his. He gets off on hiding in writing site, it's a part of an extended fantasy and I think it's Elles He's trying to graduate because his game really is to lure people in using non violent means that that's it that's part of the job is tricking people and it's one thing

tourism policy, its please a pussy, so we care for can confront somebody for he wants to trick you so that you get you the input, the least amount of hassle. But it's one thing to trick a child and another thing altogether to trick in adult yeah he's trying to figure out how do you trick adults like or at least older girls know these are all like late teenagers, but in nineteen seventy one Alcala returned to his murderous ways, or perhaps a more appropriate thing to say is that one thousand nine hundred and seventy one is the first time that Rodney can be linked? to a murder and why we don't know exactly how it went down weakened extrapolate from other murders to recreate a possible timeline, see Rodney Alcoholic going as John Burke was known during his time in New York City as a guy who approached women on the street and offered to photograph them sometimes than in there and sometimes at a second, more private location. Never

go to a second gay Asia, do we talk about privilege, Lawton this country, rightfully sobered my wall, privilege? That's that's on privilege, because if any of us go up the directive, Do I know, I know by acted magic obeys. Every overnight grab live down five dollars by dollars or only continuing picture yeah. It's you looked like someone who could take a picture of you and make. What are the fact that was a plausible thing for someone Do you want to come, and I would like to have a picture taken from this very unique tone is how it is handsome guides are not to be trusted the most likely. This is how Alcoa Approach D W a flight attendant coordinate. The lee- and this is our based on the massive amount of photos of women that were injustice situation there were later found in Alcoa storage, locker

Seattle, that's what my close again towards he's done this many many many many times so after Rodney does, armed Cornelia and made her feel comfortable. He probably offered to take more photos in a private location, and in this case, that location was Cornelius up meant and then from there he went on to fund and start american apparel. you got, that is a deep cuts is brought here. We're probably thinking and charming in may be good lookin like a lot of women did when they met Rodney. She invited him up to her apartment and we know that she invited him, because there was No sign of forced entry in Rodney, as far as we know, never coerced potential victims with the threat of violence once their Rodney most likely did take some pictures of her, but eventually

area began to either slowly or quickly realise that she'd made a mistake inviting this stranger into her home. When Cornelius body was found days later, her face had been severely beaten. Deep bite marks were found on her breast. She in sexually molested a stocking was tight around her neck and her bra had been stuffed in her mouth Jesus. By the time the garment was removed from her mouth by investigators. Rigour mortis had set in which fixed her mouth and a permanent terrified howl and since no one had seen Cornelia with Rodney and since forensics were comparatively primitive and nineteen. Seventy two cops never even came close to the and who was bought at around New York under the name of John Barber shop. As a result, Alcoa wasn't linked to the crime intel. Two thousand eleven, while dna from saliva samples taken from the bite marks, put Rodney in the room. A lot of his crew

long of his crimes are going to be will even talk about this at the end of the next episode when we do the second up, so is it? There are databases of the pictures, Then he put out much like they did with Samuel little because again, there still piecing together how many people he might have. The detectives, in LOS Angeles, had not forgotten the attempted murder of Tommy Shapiro and they'd spent three years trying to track down Rodney alkaline. Finally, they convinced the FBI to add their suspect. The top ten most wanted list Luckily for the cops two girls attending the summer camp were Rodney was celebrating his third year saw the wanted poster in a post office in an immediate recognize the man they knew as Mr Burger as fugitive. Child rapist and attempted murder Ronnie Alcoa there like the first ever true crime fans. You never know when he was apparently the two girls when they're like they thought they wanted.

Each other with adopted one. Unless there let's go look at their paper, they see all the criminals. Amerika, red wine only finally go in there, but I am alive, carbs murders and then then they looked at these fucking all of the D. The listener like that, Mr Byrne girls areas like such. That is, if it wasn't so disgusting, it's kind of the beginning of the new goonies or isn't even speak I feel like it, so that, yes, you know, is it good? Don't you always think because a goose, bumps all Stein. You always your teachers as or something find out dear child rapist, but that was a rhyme. You are fronts together now your friendly, because he has taught me that this summer, camp version of the burps yeah sure

the birds was lighter or some eleven thousand eleven, that Tom Hanks stomachs was an illness, but these girls called the cops and, within a short period of time, Alcoa was arrested and his finger prints were matched to the crime scene in his apartment back in LOS Angeles, but when it came time for the trial, Polly Shapiro family somewhat, understandably refuse to return to LOS Angeles to testify. This is one of those constant thing that pop up with kids that are the victims of these types of crimes, because their parents were like did wonder to relieve her trauma. There has to be other way. Well, that's the thing I guess the prosecutor here just couldn't fuckin be bother because they went with a sure thing and arranged a peddling. Please deal in this sounds like

extraordinarily lazy prosecuting because Fuckin member officer Camacho saw Alcoa in the apartment just before he discovered the crime scene, and it's not even mention the fact that it was Rodney Alkalis apartment. Sir Mister Alcoa, Alcoa, wouldn't hurt you clash. Urban sentence do fifteen years of reality television. I were, oh god, they're. Looking at my social media and Elsa Donald, you know about the guy that call the cops in the first place. He could I do fight Rodney Alcoa. He saw him take this little girl into an apartment by a boar delayed. I call him lazy, fuck him securing now we're gonna take it. I just irregularities, is one of those that you do prosecute it's hard, because

I know it's not hard. This is a total fuck up. Ok yeah! This is an extremely large fuck up. Alcoa was allowed to dodge the attempted murder charge and instead pled guilty to child molestation, which garnered an indeterminate sentence of one to ten years. Now what indeterminate meant was at the Parole Board, who had no real understanding of the full scope of crime? They could declare the criminal rehabilitated and said loose whenever they fuckin felt like it, and while this might work just fine for safe new kid, who makes a mistake, Fuckin terrible here for someone like Rodney Alcoa, and he was there no registry at this point for sexual predators was when he our war. They just gone. I it's weird. We talk about time, Natalie might otherwise? I would, however, was the back in the day it was just like charm. Molesting was like not that big of a crime

for some reason there was like did airily look at it as very seriously. I think there was a prevail on lake basic Likely Cuomo different, I'm just like my lap is when you told me a lot of good like it is strange where you we wonder like because they just didn't it be crying very seriously. I wonder what has the idea that it has to do with the idea that kid's be feeling remember, shit or that they are less than people or because they are not an adult, yet they can go to war yet and die for the country may be but I think it was also with a lot of people like job molestation used to be a lot more private, It is now a lot of time seriously did see alone, people seriously did say. Look I was molest, didn't look at me. I'm fine, I don't mind- I dont, forget, truly shame It was the same thing with people who were raped the victimhood that comes after the victimhood. They just keep it under the rug. That's probably why tallies? Parents

We could you keep bringing it up because she set of family shamans embarrassment. It was totally asked backwards. She specifically said they acted like it didn't happen. Just about he's got home and they acted like it didn't happen. They destroy to move. We are, as probably not can help you move forward with it by August nineteen. Seventy four, just a little over two years past sentencing a prison psychiatrist declared that Rodney Alcoa was quote considerably. Improved yet, but you don't get started with him raping and almost murder a girl, so considerably improved, still is not real

losing handy in a year and we know what can be done but which is considerably improve from the days when used to order chinese food and they send you four sets of utensils and now I'm down to three. It's like I'm, not who do you think they assume the fourth member family just died of diabetes, knowing about it. It's just one person that are trying to be nice. After that prison psychiatry City was generally improved Roddy Alcoa was released and required to register as a sex offender and Monterrey, Part California, where he moved back him with his mother and that's what I mean by you know earlier when you asked so I can do. Is he just trying to hide the noisy just trying to hide that the crime? No? He went to prison as a child. Molester. Okay for two years, within months of his release, Rodney, not surprisingly, tried killing again

much the same way. He tried to kill, tally Shapiro this time, Rodney was cruising Huntington Beach in a station wagon when he spotted a thirteen year old girl waiting for her school bus. Again, Alcoa asked her. If she were it s a pretty picture and again the girl known only is duly she climbed into the car under the promise that Rodney would just be given awry disk this is where today's generation- maybe they are more safety melick, no one. I want to see a fuckin picture, but this time rightly went by the news of John rolled its role, wild, it's either elder rids rely doll clam when he drove past duly school

without slowing down. She started yelling and tried jumping out of the moving vehicle Rodney in response grabbed her and held her until they reached a secluded location near some cliffs off the Pacific Coast highway after stopping here MR to walk with him until they reached a private location and there he made her smoke a joint before embarking on the beginnings of a rape and possible murder. Thankfully, though, before things got deadly or even violent, an angel of a park ranger showed up, investigating the weeds smell all man, technically the I would be mad about this video stop to rape and murder, you're, just my weight in the part where snugly just of art your bare hands. Oh I smell marijuana. All I got something far worse. Thought bear when you're gonna have to let the young girl don't give me that joint Rodney tried lie

Basically we are issues they are just taking a break from a hike. smoke a joint with a twelve year old in the park, but Julie yelled that she'd been forced there and wanted to go home and not knowing what to do the ranger just arrested both of them because of the weed where you think we got fucking hate We do in fact, for arrested moose what is apparent. Ranger have gained cups fort wherever people now can. We got is Europe bear you should be able to just will finally be rising. I've got a series of anger I'll, but the big handouts on the big man and up the little handcuffs on the girl I just feel it would really made out of wood or duly was let go immediately, but after doing a background, It was found that Alcoa was out on parole fur child MA Oh God damned a modem back into click jar the sale, marijuana and kidnapping, and you sit back to prison.

probably for the marijuana charge, mostly Gandhi, actually probably was. He was out within a couple years declared refer. Armed he's returned again again again, even though your I know he kidnapped a young girl three months after being let out of prison now this time. But this time, though your honor, I'm gonna, save number one. Honestly, you write a number two. I will never smoke. We'd get does not the one you're right we for me is over a totally reformed. Let me give you an idea just how charming Rodney Alcoa could be. He convinced his parole officer to give him permission to roam the country freely. Despite the fact that Roddy had tried killing one little girl and he kidnapped another month. after being released. Listen, I talked Rodney he's got it out of

This must be done with it me little. Isn't you know for a fact? Look at me: you look at me you, even if you could see a little fuel gauge army that had child blessing Jews, and I see it that end is at any rate ones you roamed free once the ok was given Alcoa went to San Francisco, where he met PAMELA Lamson at fishermen's wharf. All we know that together and PAMELA mutilated body was found on American County hiking trail soon after oh my good night, murder, Rodney left California, with the blessing of his parole officer in return to New York City in July of nineteen. Seventy seven, just a month before David Berkowitz was arrested for the Son of SAM murders sends in full swing right now, wow In July, thirteenth, the day of the historic nineteen. Seventy seven blackout, Alcoa approached a socialite named Ellen Hoover, who just

to be the God daughter of Dean, Martin and Sammy Davis Jr. This woman was fucking connected wow. What from what friends later said, Ellen I found this photographer goes by the name of John Burger again to be charming and flirty and after he pressured her into a lunch date. She accepted Ellen Hover, disappeared completely on the day of the date and no one would know what happened to her for almost a year and the only reason why we know that this is one Romney's was because Allen had the name John Burger written in her appointment book on the day she disappeared interesting way, though it was thought at the time that Ellen might, then another son of SAM victim, because she had long dark hair and they still really know anything about the actual killer himself, no But while the MIT had the serial killer part right, the investigation

one zero in on Alcoa for a very long time em. But even while the cops tried track down. The mysterious Mr Burger Alcoa had are he left New York City to escape the heat of a high profile victim, and he was on his way back across the country to LOS Angeles when he claims another victim. Yeah you get out of my child You come back here. Legal rag, delors agencies. Would you George George. This is New York City baby, it's not a single change and seizing it. I could barely I could. Barely movie is going through my body right now it s like all. It's like Stalingrad is obsolete, appropriated thing to say they couldn't just caught Berkowitz by laying a bunch hamburgers out and directing them towards the police precinct, even so innocent hamburgers, and that you will put all your treasure for me, one man's burgers is another man's burger,

oh god, whether we got another one. Twenty eight year old, Christine Thornton with six months pregnant and adjust left her boyfriend when she crossed writings path in while me, a picture of Christine looking happy in comfortable was found in Rodney storage locker years later, in Rodney, most likely killed her moments. After picture was taken is also interesting that historic locker was in Seattle, which is the other serial killer capital of the world.

We just saw this said he'd know that actually more serial killers came out of Seattle than any other city in the nineteen. Seventy from thorntons dead body he took earrings earrings would become Rodney, favorite trophy to take from victims, and when that fuckin storage locker was discovered after his arrest investigators found a bag containing a disturbing number of them. Once back. In LOS Angeles, though Rodney walked into the offices, LOS Angeles times and brazenly applied for a type set our position under his real name, which, by this time, was attached to two serious crimes against children. exactly what we're looking for another like leaves at times, but despite Having been on the top ten most wanted list and despite his conviction for trouble, a station and

I'd his parole violations for making a little girl smoke we'd after he kidnapped or in despite being registered as a sex offender Rodney got the job I'm starting these journalists don't do a lot of research. Hiring practices are pretty the higher breaks. The law centres that not Brac no background checks. Hr is more militant, then the? U S military. Back. He got through hr. This is back before age or I don't know what you'd call this but also comes down to it. Taking pictures hard, in the night, so hard, headed so Hard find somebody who could take a picture which everybody stays in the picture was in seventeen sixty where you got one shot at it. You want, you wasn't hired a photographer use iron as a type centre and we gotta he was a little bit grunt. here didn't airlines photographer somewhere? That's where we put up the janitors, I mean. That's you. I think you will happen I'm through with the executive branch. Little bit through the outcome.

Known around the office, mostly as a charming, hardworking individual who casually shared stories about run into famous people in Greenwich Village and he was able to do so in a way that made him appear cool instead of desperate who very good at named Robin S of this one time I was here the person a bush, I wouldn't believe it. I was pissing on a very fancy. She'll want you believe it was the incredible Richard Bert Richard Richard Burton Rynch RARE and I was being on him. It couldn't have been more great while what, greatest story from the weird die in the basement. But there is another side to Rodney. Alcoa at the LOS Angeles Times, this wasn't even some going on outside of work. This is in the office. This behaviour was written. Insanely as oh he's, just an avant garde person Rodney would show off his portfolio of photographs to co workers and that portfolio was full.

Of pictures of naked little girl again just imagine- he looked like Milton from opting out Asian really seen unit frozen angel. I believe that so everyone was just looking at these pictures like TAT, so very artistic of penalty. There you ride me little. What bonding? Well I mean it's a thing: Roddy Alcoa was a good photographer. look at his pictures, jupiters how you're taking pictures of doesn't it. This is an incredible picture, make it look like. That's all. That's. First of all, second of all, keystones coworkers. I took these pictures at the request of the kids parents and for some reason, everybody's just too worried about looking on hip to say,

This is fucked up. That's what we're gonna do a friend with Portugal juicy pennies, but I really want to see Wendy Naked right. I mean I know, I know what time it is dominated by doing so. We la photographer was J C penny doing us. Oh, my god, I got my balls out. No dick. No such a Vulcan problem, you're gonna wanna go too serious for that and what he did it. such away, where it like looks already like they're, not like dark fuck they're not darling. Not polaroids like in a room with a single light, bulb hanging about ever make a beach ball on Sunday you give em like you, I didn't you know my boy. Do you can put fuckin had not a piece of shit is very nice picture of a cowboy endlich know that still a piece of shit, and then these get it's obviously. But if you remember that difference between red, shoe diaries and hot springs: hotel fat, it's one.

Diaphanous red sheet will reach you at a mystery attached to it there. There was a lot, of course, and tremble you'd. Thank you, shit and well upon further reflection. Those same people who just awkwardly smiled and not at these pictures. They later acknowledged that they were looking at homemade child pornography, not only in full public view. But in the workplace? Another big! of cancel culture, and I believe it is in no way from us. Marian who'll doesn't really matter just so everybody knows child abuse. Aberdeen trust me at age is poorly no matter what the social Sixty situation might be. No yeah. What's around this time now that Rodney Alcoa escalated from simple murder to fully posing the bodies.

Of the victim seed killed, but unlike Danny Rolling, who posed as victims in their own homes, to shock the cops when they discovered the bodies Rodney pose the victims in public to shock and traumatize. Anyone who happened upon the good seems like the Times square, like in the middle of a town centre. mostly hiking trails- and I find it another reason, not to hike. It's really not exercise. We really us, that's not the only place. There are like what we'll get to another one later, but yet I mean places where it's gonna be found and words can be found soon. An early member nineteen, seventy seven, go allured and killed seventeen year old, Joe Markham, who just moved along. Angelus from o night at New York to follow her dreams likes how many others, who met a gruesome end in the city of angels. Now man, tat yachtsman, it's so

Sad again, all we have is how the body was found in what the coroner's report said, but from those sources we know that Joe Barkan went through a terrible torture room where she was posed near service. Rode off Mulholland Drive in this. By the way, this is definite definite gold, star unthinking. They should just rename Mulholland drive. It seems

The term is cars. Tat was about rigour, Mortis had said, and by the time Jill Barkan was found on all fours, with her knees bent and pointing outward on. The top of her head was touching the ground to bounce the body in its ghastly position and her face was took so tightly against her chest that it appeared ass if her neck was broken. She was naked from the waist down and blood had pooled in the dirt below the body from the massive anal wounds suffered when Rodney raped. Her her face had been beaten alleged to have been used to strangle her a bite had nearly severed. The nipple from her right breast and her pubic hair was singed, but, despite the elaborate nature of the torture, Rodney Alcoa had killed Jill Markham by caving in her skull with a rock omega. She had been alive.

for every bit of the torture leading up to that, and since there were no bare footprints in the dirt, cops knew that the murder had taken place elsewhere. As far as Leeds went, there was plenty of dna evidence, but again this was one thousand nine hundred and seventy seven cops interviewed surrounding there's, including Marlon, Brando of all guess you happened like right next to his house, yeah she's us call remedy before those car of possibly Burma. I would never kill woman shots us away. Honestly, I was gonna go online. I probably the earth if I wasn't emblem drowning Only by governmental, I mean I'm gonna Zionist. It's now lying above all, wink, I think I am I say funding. We took this opportunity to do your Marlon, Brando and pressure, as is the time. That's really it's good. What days ago, as far as Barbara Upwards AIDS, it's it's all it now of milk.

For the most part, the cops were fuckin stopped. Now, this time, Rodney Alcoa had dropped a body right in the middle, of the hillside, strangler investing in mines yard and An amazing coincidence, Joe Barkan, actually knew Judith Miller who had been killed by Angela bono and can offer Bianchi less than two weeks earlier actually danger link. Is anybody safe, no means every seven now known honour not this year, but I do believe In my own mind, if what we know about serial killers holds to be true but other serial killers, he knew about the hillside, strangler crimes and a worthwhile with them like he was probably following the Son of SAM Grimes when he went to New York and he position the body specifically so that it could possibly get. in what the hillside strangled. We now know that he has his own m o, but

Do you believe that, like he was playing abortion different angles rights, so we copy killer, but not in the traditional sense somewhere. I Thank you and I don't think he really thought about Son of SAM. I think he enjoyed going to a city. where there were fear was ruling, I don't think he's had me. I think that would just have yeah I'll go to New York? I know I can kill people there with the hillside. Strangler, though I think he was trying to top them, I think you do what you can the key dead and the way he left bodies impose them far worse than anything. That they also strangled spoken, dumped the bodies, yeah and he's trying to take things to the next level he's trying to top up because he's playing a game, time, it's all of the posing the same thing with Danny rolling. It's about a moving a message after the fact to other people are traumatized just near the song anything you can do. I can do better,

but that is not what Europe is about, scary, to lend me slow down for trailers, homes and say well, you know by this point. The walls were starting to close in a little on Rodney Alcoa, but he still managed to talk is way out of it. In my PD investigators had only discovered that John Burger, whose name had been an Ellen hovers diary on the day of her disappoint parents with the early of Rodney, Alcoa, convicted child rapist gotcha. When you didn't take em, I mean read: not have not that long, especially considered how thick alike the inward PD had just wrapped up the Son of SAM murders, there's still they're still dealing with thousands of murders every year in New York City, so they get around to it. My vote is actually when the Saddam SAM murders are finally wrapped up public. There we go that's six them food and gas darted, so they

ass the LAPD to bring in Rodney Alcoa for questioning and allied detector test, but since Rodney refuse the test, as was his right and since had nothing linking them to Ellen hover. Besides a name in a diary, they were forced to. Let him go there thing, and they really want all you a lot closer to see your fuckin alive. Now. Maybe a few questions could help there don't know, but I get also lie to take it. S also do nothing. No, they don't we had they do nothing, but it's a thing they can only hold them for what forty eight hours I we speak with Doktor Don Custodial for a patron episode, and he said you No one a psychopath is lying on a on a larger it s because you'll see it afterwards. So little black suit there'll be a spike. After all, the questions and it back ideal, because they're so excited to like trick the lady tat your test, so it's actually they did they detect when someone a psychopath afterwards.

based on how excited they are by the result. Swore an interesting gets interesting, that's a game. It then. I guess that's what you gave it lets us in it for you. The list has been that before you wish, before you shall have thrilled. You are for passing, because you're, a psychopath will, because nothing came of the Bali Graft EST. Rodney Alcoa continued killing about a month after the murder of Joe Barkan Rodney escalated again. Instead of lowering of victim into a trap, it appears as if Rodney broke into someone's apartment for his next murder Allah Richard Ramirez. Soon the cops were called about a welfare check for a girl named Georgia, Wixted who hadn't shown up for work or responded to phone calls. They noticed that the screen was missing from one of her windows

propped up against a wall near by that doesn't definitively say that he broke into our apartment. But it's definitely possibility more is how we got out young when they search the apartment. They found the body of Georgia wixted posed justice gruesomely is Joe BAR, come and killed just as brutally this time in her own bad blood was everywhere soaked into the mattress splattered on walls and smeared on the toilet by the perpetrator. While he was in the process of cleaning himself like every minds me, a little bit worried us think like killed. Those are fantastic documentary. The guy. who created the machine was like they have stopped me if they really one of the stop me they'd see what I was doing it stop me. Do you think at some point he's getting away with all this chivalry liked? I guess this is allowed. I do believe that there is a sense of invincibility that you get when you ve picked a been picked up by the cops several time and they just don't stop him. I mean, I think, it's more that data its instead of like this is allowed.

It's more. This is nature. They see themselves as tie Yours or Riah rise up, my god and everyone arrange Dragon yeah, the red see everyone else's lowly sheep. So to him, this is like this is the natural order of things will somewhere between two hundred and fifteen, a dot m and sunrise. Rodney had broken in subdued Georgia Wixted and strangled her with a knotted pair of pantyhose before ripping her flesh with one side of a claw hammer beating her to death, with the other Rodney left behind more dna and a palmprint. But again these clues were useless without the technology to match the former and in identifying went to link the latter. Would I do we were out. These should have the identifying praising over three times. Don't they have the fingerprints? They don't have any database to check it against like you, just don't you, you got out of your fucking cards, they again, you know, and he probably didn't have a palmprint. He just had privileged status fingerprints

rivers split the difference between her ladyship Sigh Fi Tom Cruise films and this much. I think that we hold ninety. Ninety nine we are late technically were closer than ever, which is what markets and I talked about. It probably really does lead to the reason why there is less sir killers are going on in more mass shooters break. You know it, it is rough, no trouble yeah, but you know I do we. Apples gonna fix everything that can check our phones. Nowhere thing to look into all our pictures and make sure that we don't have a single bit of thought crime gone on to worry about it. Now Rodney was questioned by police a few months after this murder, but in connection to any of the murders he committed instead Rodney received. From the hillside, stragglers taskforce a lot of cops going on about yeah. They took him off the suspects list after the interview, because he had an alibi for every single night of every single hillside, strangler murder, but they did arrest him for possession

Oh my god! How long were you got three years and that's the end of our episode and thank God for the war on drugs or the very recently released on parole, very quickly, really marriages in saying considering how many people are still and put in prison for possession and we get home like it's a gift card, you like it up or other means like they use it to get other journeys across. I don't know, maybe I'm really looked different. He would have arrested a long time ago. Three months Rodney killed. A woman named afar shod then grotesquely posed her naked bloodied body, in the laundry room of an apartment, complex else, again dough cheese. I sank, sometimes specially back in the day when I had to go to launch a room, there was a major Gary. To begin with, I time on their I've already got like I got. No clothes left, no mean now it's a crime scene. I'll, never get to work again. You'll.

four do laundry again and that's the least of our worries. You're he'd posed her on her back with her legs, spread open towards the door, so the Lou display would be the first thing seen upon walking into the room. Her arms were bent back. Blood was splattered on a piece of wood near by and Rodney had bizarre early Titus sandal to issue lace and strong it around the victims neck to child like playing down at about the same time that the FAO Our Shaw's body was discovered by some unlucky tenant. Ellen hovers bones were found in a shallow grave. Just north of New York City, near Terry Town on the Rockefeller estate, which is now a park where I My dog with my wife, that I, like your things, do get better great diamond Tarrytown recommend we saw Roger Mc Gwynn. That's nice also

me and Regnard Holden once did mushrooms and that park we had a great time almost cemetery under one of the oldest ones, Amerika this for the Rockefeller buried. It's gonna make a new memories, isn't once the discovery of the body was made public a young woman came forward and said that she had an extensive photography session with a I named Rodney Alcoa near the exact location where hovers remains were found in. Despite all this, despite the fact that he'd now killed over half a dozen women We lost an had tried, killing a little girl and was now coming close to being assessed in a murder in New York City, less than two months after killings, Afar Shaw, Rodney Alcoa, appeared as a contested. on a nationally televised game show called the day in game, and that's where we're big back up for the conclusion. Or Series on Rodney Alcoa. Yet

regarding the second they dating game. Next week, I'm excited to delve a little bit into the complicated world of Chalk Belarus and what he has insanity. That's all side, quest on this thing. It is, and then we will get into how Roddy alcohol is widely stopped. His crimes, but he's gonna do a lot more before he gets there and how we took associate bothy into the court room when he in himself. Right, varied, defend themselves and gold. He has a fool for client in he in a dumb shit law, here as well, which is he all right? Well, I had no idea how frickin, but I just we ve, heard the story and I my goal is a killer, but the holy Shit that man fucking disgusted yea, oh yeah. It is interesting to see the ones that are quoting code, not heavy hitters like not the classic called classic good. You know Cyril Miller, clad outcome. You gonna use that in the control of Archer. I, like that type of shit. It's because a lot,

times are reason why they aren t cortical heavy hitters that we talk about all the time is because they were weirdly, more successful at being a murderer and they went for longer periods of time of not getting caught. In quite a bit at the time, There were not searching for attention. They were just trying to cause as much my trying to cause as much violence and mayhem as they could, and I think that there is also with what kind of killers are covered, there's kind of a sweet spot when it comes to how brutal, but are galleries. I think the reason why TED Bundy is so got yeah, it's so hugely covered, because you have TED Bundy, the girl guy runny alcohol as a good. Looking guy, it's not just the good lookin part. No, I think it's also that he had really like TED bunnies crimes can kind just be papered over in theirs. That one black gross detail like you, went back and had debts India. sex with a dead bodies only and who make up on the faces and did their hair. That's like there's a one detail, but radiometer sets. Railways were gross yeah yeah, Rosalie it or there's gonna, be like a hook.

With Richard Ramirez his you know. Continental, merely fuck and brutal, but it Satanism there's that hook to it and people like Rodney, Alcoa. It's just in in your Danny rolling for that matter like it's just, it's so brutal and go beyond the pale that it's impossible to talk about, and we talked a lot of money. We talked with the microwave dino being shamed as a sexual assaults Fibre and I suppose the macro in this case to everyone's just so embarrassed. Perhaps law enforcement fucked up as a country. We want to live in a world. Where are you going to have someone like that? Even live Maybe no one wants to talk about the fact that children that had been raped and murdered anyway, all right. Well, we will do we will get to part two of this holy cow. Polio number, I think this guy should not have one that fucking dating it get to you as a banana. Thank you so much for listening by our we do. We have either we last prisoner project them or pre order, or come book

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