You asked for it: On this episode of Last Podcast Side Stories, Ben 'n' Henry cover the Albany sex cult that has been making headlines.
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you and me. I know it dude. I mean that's what I like about these sites or is it it's just fucking you and me locked. You know it's like you were flying a plane together. You could just hear the passengers screaming right right, which is also stories we could have covered this week because plane travel was horrific. It's sort of like the
end of the movie, the thing which one of us is the thing by the
I do know the answer to that
Hunter has told the truth on that scenario is Kurt
right now, it's the other guy, the other,
You can't see his breath he's not
What is the wall
asking it. What are you talking about the heat?
by this asked to ask from Requiem for a dream. Oh, my goodness, I've blocked out of my brain. It's horrific! You! That's the brake, that's like the best
pallet cleanser. That scene is ridiculous. We are going to uh next weeks episode we're going to get into this horrific Van terror attack that took place in Toronto today by this dude Alec
Asian, he says he wrote on his facebook page.
A honors and loves to worship, the Supreme gentleman Elliot Rodger from all accounts
this man is an Incel yeah we're going to get into? What does that mean is
sell terror group we're going to debate it
If it is a terror group, then it's the only terror group that I know that I could
alone, with a tennis racket and beat the living Faulk
every one of them absolutely, but today we're gonna talk about the biggest biggest news of the week. It's call
NEWS. Ladies and gentlemen, it's nexium we've had a lot of people reach out about this cold and it's very interesting because obviously the first intention grabbing thing that comes out about it is Allison,
from small group, small
is a tastefully dressed in a lot of the pictures of her premieres of she's, been in like five or seven things right, she's she's, like a relatively known television, actress and apparently would she was a recently arrested for what
human trafficking and that led back to a possible charge where she was a part of an inner
group within the cult of nexium right that a branded women in
weird sexual packed where people had to give their pictures of their
it to be held over them right to be released, and then they have that they were in a weird sleeve, a master relationship, and this was all done under the guise. Of course. The pictures are then supposed to be used later. Is black male in order to keep these women silent from the horrible treatment other they had
This is all under the guise of feminism, which is interesting and we're going to get into some of the different things that next deism next is next.
five year, there's a lot of tight milfs in this group,
all right honestly. Well we're going to get into that, so they had different kind of in Brela groups. Some focused on yoga some focused on feminism, some focused on financial success, which is really where all this began, and a little bit later on. In this episode, we're going to be interviewing Brock Wilbur, who wrote a great art
four paste magazine and we're going to get some insight from him into what the heck does. Human trafficking actually look like
What are we really talking about here? Is it when you like take over like a bus like if I were to take a box cutter onto a bus and like put it to the knife of the driver's that am, I then a human trafficker and I'm taking
on our own, or am I just then an involuntary bus driver? Well, I think if you took a knife to the neck of a bus, bus driver were going to have to
Latency will ask Brock that question a little bit later on in the episode. It's very good also, this story.
Round for a long time. Yes, Nexium has been around since the late nineties right started. Dies at several different groups is sort of one thing it was executive. Success will lead program. Let's do this really quick, let's get a little background into Q three near who is
loony, looney toon. So this is
dude like anybody else born in Brooklyn in one sixty. He is
and lying his entire life. He proclaimed
he was the he said.
One, eighty nine. He was in the Guinness Book of world records for highest iq
we did a little fact check on that, and in fact he was not. It was actually a woman named Mary
in both savant that was technically in the Guinness Book of World records and she held the rank of highest iq from nineteen. Eighty six to nineteen. Eighty nine with the other thing is
I cue the idea of testing an iq is also such an antiquated idea, but he predicated his whole life on this.
He was a super gs. He apparently taught himself high school math right to a different college when he was sixteen years old right. He is in Hoover, manage everything that he says. You hang up on everywhere that he says. Even though he's a blank moron and he joined a group called
Mega society, which was apparently
group for the most distinguished of people, the people,
Iqs listed at one hundred and seventy five and above which apparently, according the newsletter, makes you the most boring person to meet in
elevator its whole. I was reading the it's called nice EOS is the name of their their
newsletter and the it's, not
it's not the first thing,
written by a guy that went under
came up, it was called introducing quite gone to a friend written by May sue. His real name is Kevin. Langdon wait, wait, hold on introducing whom quicker
free girlfriend. Yes, it's a friend an accordion here, according to his article first it off. It starts with a quote from Dylan Thomas Rage rage.
The dying of the law
and then it says he cliche quote. Yes,
an eighty nine year old internet for and asked me how we should begin to learn and practice the chinese arts of Qui gong to improve and maintain his health as well, though, I'm not an expert or a master. I wrote the following you
x 4y. Why you teaching people- I don't know
'cause we dump it does so just going back. Just brief,
The one thing we do know he did graduate again Keith Rineer the head of all of this and we're going to get into Nancy as well his secretary, who is now the president, who is extremely she might be even worse. Who knows he did Grati
from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, New York,
one. Eighty two in nineteen
He founded consumers by line a multi level marketing company, and then he co founded executives,
those programs and Henry I'm right in saying that sort of laid the groundwork for what Nexium would become
the executive success program began in two thousand and three Ford Mag,
did a article about key three near yes, it could be re near your near. I think it's Revere, but he did article about how he helped one of the executives, a b e t get where she is. He helped
Richard Branson and it Forbes wrote this this like article about like. Is he crazy or is he is literally the cover of Forbes? It says Forbes and it has a picture of him. Looking like Bob Seger, just like look
into the sunlight into the middle distance. Yes, and and the caption is the world's strangest executive, coach, Keith Rainiers,
rich and famous clients pay thousands of dollars, bio
call him vanguard
started is it was mlm. He would teach
these better Business Bureau bulshit classes about how to be a good ceo
I don't know I am, is the what's it well. I had actually look this up because it's the idea of like
Basically, you sign up for a bunch of classes at five thousand dollars a pop, and what you do is you sell more classes too
the recruits and then different, the more classes
you sell the
the shiny or sash you get, which is true. You they all wear different color asses
depending on how many uh, and that works your way up into the hierarchy of what was esp then became nexium and it's all very Ann Randy. It's emotional ponzi scheme
you're, just you're just selling, like the idea that you are a better person than them with
warning to Vanity fair or with my article that came out later on about his re at his connections to the Brit with the the seed
from families billionaires or it's very interesting is that he,
the talks in very solipsistic and vague impenetrable language, and basically the main thing you say is that like? Where is gonna win and you gotta scrape off
fucking parasites and in a way he's right. I mean
Really because he is
I stood by the federal government for doing over there save me their aspect, yeah yeah, so basically they just took on Rand. Although my understanding is none of these courses even mirrored,
Rans writings. I don't think they even read the fountainhead or any of these other things, and I in Rand, read it and then take like five.
And then insert that into your life? If you ever meet one person,
one hundred percent into it. There are there. Are
Mister, Paul, Ryan and Paul Ryan. Thankfully I'm just so clever. He has some time to rest. I know he's
can so hard for so long. I know it's. He could just sit back on his bean bag chair now and does and watch them. Espn threes watch some ping pong and use some curls, because that's the only exercise that he does appear yeah. He
p90x, is extremely in shape, and I believe we should do our next episode on P90X. It's a cult get out of it cold, not better than Maine better than me, because you jump around your living room all day. I do the same thing and it's called yellow,
myself, it's motivated. There is a twelve point mission statement. That's what this group has
and you can go and read these yourself through quite long, but now '
there are two is as Henry was alluding to and you can just just
the twelve point mission statements and you can find it right there for yourself, but number two going back to
Henry was saying is there are no ultimate victims, therefore,
will not choose to be a victim which is a good tenant. If
Do you plan on branding people against their will see.
You build it in exactly or an honestly. This is really good when, once we start doing, if we ever do subscription service for last podcast, it's good to start baking need
little things in so we're never held culpable for any problem again arrested by the federal government. Looking at life imprisonment, Allison Mack, look at 15th, yes to life, imprisonment. He
Mexico, looking for relaxation and nobody found nothing.
Very good, good reference and also to that point in South America, this nexium called is still thriving, they're doing very well. Evidently, none of
negative articles have been written about it have been translated
the Spanish, so there are
we're still thinking like hey this guy is he's, got all the goods and, of course, inevitably, those are some of the individuals that are trafficked to upstate New York
and uh, absolutely horribly you traffic, they say commuted. I don't think so.
Just playing. But you didn't tell me it was going to be in upstate New York,
Where were you when are golf?
interesting how you could see the slide right, Obvi
so we went on a bit of a deep dive for this information. You can find it out there there's a wonderful. The vanity fair article called the
and the Colts would sue the irises in the cold was very interesting job. Our friend Brock's article called the knife of Aristotle. The we get into this very interesting up, but a part of it is the at some point.
Two thousand and three was mainly business right. Yes, he was connected with the. I believe it's Brampford sister.
How do you pronounce their last name either bring in Bron Bron
broad run, it's literally
r o n f.
MSN I'll tell you what it is, it's that f they stick right in
You know Branman got it bronfman,
bronze. It sounds like you have to be drunk off of Seagram's gin to say where the brown family met my wife, her name is something brown from, and I don't care because I'm the decider. So why do these women matter clear, Bronfman, Bronfman
and Serra they have built
ends of dollars in a trust, and they gave him again, Catherine here over a
shoot in sixty six million dollars. Basically right away, yes, basically showed up so
a so how it seems to be as of somewhere in two thousand two. His old company was called consumers. Byline, okay right right runs that fell apart. Wonderful part, he was the.
Sing for any also was getting restraining order against his former girlfriend that went by the name, I believe, of Tony Natalie, interesting, two first names
but she she attacked him essentially like he ruined her life was a
watching this transition of when he started finding. We started esp he hooked up on the prompt, the Bronfman sisters, especially cause Sarah was I'm going to use the term layabout. That was
spending the family's money. Just errors opened. Actually they make the nearest like you see, Paris, Hilton, doing her dj work and like you're, staying busy, you're, actually,
I'll get her for it hurts at least she has to be at some place at a certain time. Yeah we did when you're deejaying. You have to show up forty five minutes before hand, and you got a set up all your do the sound levels, so it that's a job. She ran
skydiving company for about six months, and that was it and her.
Claire was a horse jumper champion horse jumper, but they were sitting on billions upon billions of dollars and they had nothing to do they hooked up with Rainier. He was like,
Tell you exactly how to spend this money exactly by me and how you can help me figure out, because he up a bunch of my
on the commodities industry LOS millions of one million dollars and they just paid for, but at some point
turn into sex. At some point, he was
collecting these little millionaires is like these people like desperate people, Allison Mack got nothing more desperate than
after in between gigs, evidently us down on her luck and looking for a that's how all this stuff works down on their luck. Looking for the troop eight thousand and fifty bucks to eat peanut butter out of an old hubcap right now in between jobs. Actually, you did something worse than that on MTV and I think they paid you two hundred and fifty dollars when you had people eat beef, jerky suspenders off of your body when your nude, but
uh as a punishment was funny but going back to punishment going back to what you were talking about with Tony Natalie, she called EDGAR Bronfman and told him
that hurt that his actual daddy,
right 'cause, the daddy was like
so the store, there's a whole side story. Without about how Sarah and Claire were like it came from his
health merit. Yes, should they were like fifteen years separated from what they considered to be the real bronfman kid. Are you telling me that he didn't have a close relationship with his children, this out of touch multi, multi billionaire, and they also had his money
the money that they could just go. They could borrow against their assets like all of this ship where they were working around. His music were what's happening. There, like you,
look at your daughters are like fucking this guy in all she's, like you know,
That's the party we
offended about. No, she said she called him immediately. She said I told him, Mr Bronfman, you
get your girls out of there. It's a call to renew bad. If you don't get them out in a few years, he's going to burn through all their money he's going to sleep with both of them, and he said no,
Oh, no, not my girls know they won't do that. The did you
That immediately did that. So you know it takes a lot like how do these things begin? How do you '
How does a cult like nexium grow? It's because of people put
her head in the sand and just refuse
do believe that someone could be as evil
definitely as dangerous as Keith Rineer, it's very interesting to see how these people were normal
MAC was just an actor right, all of a sudden, she's, now wrapped up instantly.
Play some of the footage of what she sounds like now. It's like this is this is an interview. Yet she did with Keith Rineer that
just put on to that. There were through furnished channel to show just how
Oculus. His teachings are, you know, see if we can make it through about thirty seconds of it. This is a movie for you want to just to and pull your car off the highway. You get that
Tom Cruise Scientology Vibe from this all all the way. So this is them talking about authenticity, and what does that mean? I mean it kind of leads me to my next question, which has to do with
authenticity, because then it seems more like that creativity comes from.
License, just originality, are often like soulful mass, if you're looking at it in I, you know authenticity and creativity, an interesting
you don't like to think of as as robots
if you are coming office, robotic most
say that somehow inauthentic there has to be an authenticity. Today,
'cause we're, not robots? So what does it mean to be
send it round someone's authentic. You feel them you have this. This
killing of a soul there, not a robot, not some pre programmed
something along those lines. It's just
to come, naturally from their expense?
since of existing on this planet from the time they are conceived and they
a child and grow, and all of this thing they gather this unique and
in of existence and authenticity?
somehow is a manifestation of all of all right. That's good, and it also relates to use they serve. You want to cold brew yeah. Exactly do you want a cold brew? Do you wanna? Do you wanna hot brew? I don't know sir, but you're going to have to get out of this line. You gotta get out of Starbucks, it's just the guy in the corner, muttering to himself. Never ask him what he's thinking, but that's. What's so interest
it sounds also, it's kind of sounds like Pennsylvania, Bartok,
very I sent a country like the like, I feel, like all the thirty in the morning yeah, but that is one of the ironies of all of these cults, whether it be well not so much Jonestown. They spoke more about the community, but when it come
to when it comes to nexium. His whole thing was
the duality and he's brandy people with his.
Well. It led to a jump to that because a you could see the fractal logic
where he becomes like it's 'cause? It's
embracing your victimhood and he's just improving and when you
cut to another there's another private
David conversation that someone had recorded of his it's the same kind of circular loop talk. He looks like a guy
Natalie and I are at a party the other night in LAN, a guy that is a famous polygamist like he wrote a whole book about it. They look
actually the same? It's the long kept
there are slight
graying five hundred o'clock shadow
the big glasses super calm and always touching your girlfriends fuckin' knee right
thirty seconds. It's thirty seconds. It's a move up a polyamorous move when they
it's the needs and I do
like, if you don't trust it, so this
spiral in spiraling and then eventually he
let the ladies go inform this thing called Daus: okay, which stands for Dominas.
usually translates to Lord Master of the Bds female companions and he
just let these women kind of go and it was a bunch of actors,
actors are just a worsted colts because they jump right into a role that it honestly they are. They do do well.
With actors. The acting type people who have that kind of personality were empty, yeah you're.
One just for other people's ideas. I suppose every day go to work and I'm like hi. My name is
Thomas, I know
all! Really, like know, my real name is Henry, but it's like, but you just
I don't like my job.
I'm never me so. Yeah Jim, we do back you're the point
Jones earned his fuckin' followers. This dude just somehow got these wasps.
Women to just join up and give him all his money, and I guess he's just good at eating. Pussy or I have no idea, and I don't want to get into all of that, because I don't think any of that was on the up and up here
Ll Bean Catalog
come to life, and it turns out that that plan
socio path. Looking individual on the cover is indeed a plastic socio path, I'm going to say I'm going to I'm going correct. You
I'm not saying L Album and I, but I mean I agree. I don't really know their clothes fit me. So the I'm saying Patagonia. He
so he's a man with an action sandal
You see his toes all the time
by the way, did just go shopping. I got three new jackets from Rochester, big and tall three new dress, shirts, well and uh,
tagging these people were trying to get their patreon money from them. We don't want them to cut us off. Thinking that we're getting too big for a bridge, no, I promise you, I can't I can't shop anywhere else and everything was done in a big disk out. That's why I walked in there, but speaking of cult recruitment,
man their eyes light up. When I walk in you should see when I get into a Rochester big and tall, I've never felt pretty in my life, usually people approach
How big are you? How fat are you? What do you weigh?
oh I had a. I had a young mentally challenged brother. That looks just like you. You know stuff like that.
But when I walk into Rochester man, I'm like I'm, like Claudia Schiffer, did know you're there
your Allison Mack to Keith three near thought. He was like, so I know how
fix you where you can.
Through pilot season. Whenever sucking takes, but apparently also with Keith Rineer, he doesn't sleep. He does not sleep at night, he sleeps all day and all night. He walks,
compound with his coterie of fifteen to twenty women that he all fox and he talks about methane
mysteries of the universe, he's like Kramer from Seinfeld
I will go back, I want to get back to what Henry was there, but just just real quick to just bring us up to a little bit of speed you're at a time when it what's
there was this first litigation: that's where Nexium sued the Ross Institute the Ross Institute, alleging copyright infringement for publishing excerpts of content from its manual in three critical articles,
commissioned by cult investigator Rick Alan Ross, Ross posted
high interest assessment of Nexium secret manual on his website. The report called the regime
expensive brain washing the manuals
by Ross from former member Stephanie Franco, CO, defendant,
the trial who signed a non disclosure agreement, not to devolve information from the manual. Then, after that he was on the cover of Forbes.
This is where he starts setting up all this other stuff. All of these other yoga classes
classes, feminism classes and now
come to the point where Allison Mack is teaching. God knows what well. Well, they
Only it starts off, as would use
This is that the sashes allow you to get deeper and deeper.
His inner circle. Okay, he pulled the bog where he pull.
All the way from everybody, and now it became super special to be near him. You
People near him. Pretty much are the Bronfman sisters because of how much money they put in and it's the and the people that he will that will
quickly allow him to have sex with him and apparent
He has a lot of c showings of and the way you d o S started was that they wanted to. I the there are
he pins it on Allison Mack that it was her idea. Oh it was this actresses idea overall bill the whole the whole thing, wow interesting,
and also will get into that, but she started.
This thing be like well, you really want to be close to. If you want to close to Vanguard, you have to be computer.
So will show up when we do decide meetings where you give me these pictures of you masturbating and you just
who trust you're going to give me these sure and then we're going to do a series of exercises that are going to be more and more in need of
time and energy like a lot of physical work, a lot of like doing yard, work and stuff like that
then flipped into tonight we're going to have a special dinner and they're like okay,
and the six girls who were considered to be like of the elite of the lost.
We're going to see how much pain you can take, because a woman's life is pain and she need
except she's exhaust and an owner, the being a victim of others.
And so they laid them down pulled out the
cauterizing, wand and zap them
with the initials and it took which didn't start as the initials Keith Rineer immediately said. These are never supposed to be my initials. Who was supposed to be a magic symbol I created, but they slightly adjusted it
Look like my symbols. Has a tribute to me really what a coincidence very much
quit it, but the idea is that these, when
they talking about they in this room. Is there sitting there just being like oh fuck, how they,
so again here right, I was just 'cause it was. It started off as a group called Jenness, which is a good game
very Scientology it it's it's very assigned to logical in your in your thinking right, we're these be. Do these little groups and also to becomes a did another name and went from gymnasts to dos and they didn't realize it and then dos required you to get branded. So if you that's,
so you sign up for jenness you're in there for feminism and have some self empowerment next Monday.
Go to class and all of a sudden.
This is the os now and dos now, and everything is changed and by the way you're going to get branded on Tuesday, but MIKE
It isn't that different than Gwyneth
outro, using her goop thing to say: stick these eggs up your
He likes you because you have to purchase those and that don't do that by the way. That's extra interest extreme. We don't know what I mean. Yes, we know not. The only thing I know is because every woman I've ever known in my life, was like a yeah I'd. Never never do that. So I don't. This is not a female hi gene podcast.
Because we know nothing about Hotmail hygiene level or female hygiene, but uh but anyway. So just let's just catch up to speed here,
we're going to have Brock Wilbur. So in March, two thousand and eighteen Keith Raniere, was indicted on federal charges after being arrested.
Mexico on sex trafficking charges?
it is a restaurant here in, went to Texas to face charges of sex trafficking and forced labor in New York state. On April twenty
four twenty, two thousand and eighteen,
really Allison Mack was arrested and set to
and trial for sex trafficking base.
Done her role as a recruiter for nexium.
So now we're going to interview the author of this paste article, the knife of Aristotle, isn't just a fake, fake news site it's a cold,
and his name is Brock, Wilbur Brock. Thank you so much for joining the show. Thank you for having me
Thank you for having us. Can I say that yeah, that's nice. So the first question that I have
We hear these terms. Sex sex trafficking, human trafficking,
slavery are there trigger words there,
obviously very affective words. Can you explain what does Hume
trafficking look like in reality. What does sex slavery look like in reality, specifically in the context of next ism of Nexium, because when I
think of human trafficking. I think about a bunch of
well being thrown into the back of a semi truck and drop
shut off on random doorsteps, like an Amazon delivery. So what does it actually look like? It starts from uh. It is a power position thing. First, the specifics of it go. They go in a lot of different directions and there are some that I can speak to in some, but I still cannot because there
still god someday the light of truth is going to come to these things and we'll we'll figure out what happened there. Basically, what happened within this group is that
a lot of women got sold out, especially by other women, which is a fucking nightmare of a thing to breakdown
I in in that way, and- and you have this idea of
in power over a to a man to control you, but also there's a lot of this. That is
It is framed in a consensual way where there are a lot of people that were just like working at this colt and doing great work in
say like bringing in other people, but sometimes they do like well
doing great work in the Brooklyn branch, but you're from Vancouver, so wild
He arranged marriage to one of our members of the call,
So you can just like stay in the country so,
like there's a lot of it. That's like green card couple stuff, which is
and when you hear that for the first time you like- that's not that's not that sinister, but when you hear people's first person stories, especially about like ok so like these are these people became my family and forced me.
Baby? I exercise the rest of my family's from my life and then
One day they were just like you're going to get married tomorrow so that you can keep saying,
doing the work at these people. You like these one would say stuff like thank you
I really think I should be getting married and no one would sucking answer them about stuff and there's just like this
level of emotional betrayal. On top of everything else, that's happening here, that's like that's their sex trafficking. There is
how many peoples lives and then there's just this total fell out of everyone who, you think loves you left in the world being like ask suck it like. Just if you can keep telling people that acting
Can I help you find Heaven,
then I will get the money from those people that'll be fine, and that seems so much fucking
so so when you use this analogy of somebody, I think you said Vancouver or Toronto and Brooklyn does the
since start out finding about find out about nexium. They live in Brooklyn and then
at some point. Maybe six, maybe a year, maybe a year and a half into being a member of the cult. Then they kind of
road, Adam Adamant, like oh, by the way you're going
to some random place. Perhaps you know Canada to
somebody is that how it works. We we talked about this together about sort of how, like the cold, has all these different fake outreach group.
Not like they don't leave the into real jobs, but the acting one at least starts, and it's frustrating because acting there are so many acting class,
including ones, aren't taking that that break you down,
in the same way and play get to the
who you are. Let's talk about the truth of the of the person and the ethics, and I mean if you use it in
inseparable from Sandra it's hard right, because I did the same thing when I was in acting school. It's the same shade where you're supposed to cry in front of everybody, and it's very emotionally vulnerable and you're selling. All of these, like kind of secret stories about yourself and you could see how it immediately segues into your now,
but on a compound, and you were just doing Chekhov, I don't know if you're watching berry right now on HBO, but that's triggering everyone of those memories. Inside of me, too,
Well, yeah, I mean that's. Why, of course, why there is that sort of joke more of a joke about Ucb, although I do think there is some truth to it. When it comes to the cult of Ucb, you go through the classes, right class structure, you're, never going
famous actor or actress. Most of these people just continue to take the class over and over and over again and give the
but you don't pay any of their performers a bunch of cash, so it it is sort of a so that that that is the
initial breakdown process is. Is that why you think someone like Allison, Mack or actresses, or actors in general, would be so so
to this actors are broken, are broken looking to belong at the old. The old point of it is that you want to be part of the cast. There is part of that, but there is part of this is the
I can go down the road with the right out of his like on used to be for an hour and we would have fun with all its a pay to play society yeah, I I mean we're all on the same side: yeah yeah, yeah, the the truth of the matter. Is that, like the the thing?
it shines through everything they do. Is that
the truth of the matter is that everyone wants to do something good and think that they're making the world a better place, and sometimes, if you have a pitch
it is like a figure out something about you, Anne
that's going to lead to like a whole country of people doing better, and you can sell that to people you've got a
the life, and it was what almost got me to join them as a extension of a company that they had like the idea that you
you better and make the world better. Is we're all susceptible to that and that's why so many smart, brilliant, incredible people get drawn into that. But then
is also the acting side of it where an
what will blow you
find at some of the things, including the journalism sites that they
we are found me through were formed by actors. Just sort of improving around
they're ethical, like set of instructions that they started with a like. We, we have just
set of ideas about affect them like what could they apply to in other businesses and they let their actors sort of,
So the idea of the one of the actors who I've I've interviewed was like one of like we just did the same thing we do with like improv, but in like fake news
gosh. It makes total sense, though, because it's a subtle idea, just a just one more question when it comes to that. What did that? Well, how was that recruitment like for you? They found you and and sought you out, and then you were almost going to go up to Albany right. My thing was that they offer me a job and then they were like before you start. This job come to five weeks of non pay, training
I don't work in Albany. First Albany, I didn't do it, but I have talked to people that did do it and they were like Dave.
One they're like this is a vegetarian building, so they start doing like classic. What moves like breaking down your protein structures and stuff so hundred day, three you're just
jello and scrambled eggs up in your brain you're, like all believe in whatever
You believe in, but one of them told me that they also used a cell phone blocker, starting with that time, so that no one could text in or out, and so one guy that I was talking to
his story? Is that like on Thursday, a week when he was like, I just realize
If I showed up on Friday morning, I would lose the rest of my life to this call there be no coming has
So I just ran for the train and I
running for the train. I got further and further away from the text. Blocker and text for my family who'd been researching
it's called all we started coming in and they're like wow keep run.
Everyone in that town, is actually a part of the code is like a hot fuzz wickerman situation for him and he was like. Oh, I've never run faster in my oh, my gosh, it seem like I said he was acquiring more and more buildings and land around his little compound and eventually- and he was just putting his people in it, which is
It's very interesting. He he's very I mean it just shows.
You can do it if only if only castle, because this is really good ideas for last podcast in the future. I can never one question I have is about on Nancy souls, meaning Allison Mack truck so now with
which were near, I mean
in jail, Allison Mack's in jail, there all kind of cool in their heels, Allison Mack's. Just about to flip five million dollars bail. Oh yeah, she's about to flip on them, have been given over to the control of her parent, which, considering that she was arrested in Mexico at Keith's, crazy resort down there an has infinity money,
seems like a flight with maybe well yeah and its interest
it reminds me of that wild wild country series. When you talk about buying up land that is very similar to what ocean
when the money she's dead, yes
it's very similar and now the bridge to that is so
Nancy cells and and Allison Mack, like how much power do you think that they have like now like now that they're kind of out there it's like, is Nancy still in there,
is she still in the mix or she out of Nexium Nancy is in charge. Nancy is running it now. Nancy also has access to all that keeps money was hidden under the names of the various women that Keith was with it, so it's impossible for the government to go after that money,
now, so that should Nancy's money and then she was always way fucking smarter than he was
and the answer is always way smoking. She she has a background in in no such thing that broke so many people in this process. She she,
the person that should've always been the cult leader. She sounds like the mom from get out now she hasn't been to the money, so I am the a the the big thing is that, like I'm just so way right now, because that name, as I explained to you guys before, like
people that are left in. There are just the real fuckin' like entrance like there's no way they're coming out people, and now
somebody else who had just inherited leadership of a cold after waiting.
Recently for twenty years, so yeah. What she does is make a butt.
Sort of money and disappear tonight or she's going to turn this into a suicide called or like some other much worse thing happens, but nothing. Nothing! Good comes from.
So that's why it's real important. We shine a light on this one right now is it? Is it a fair comparison to say that Nancy souls so is the soul of man? It's a
to Ma Non Sheila from from that wild wild country doc? Absolutely
one to one comparison.
Bad to say that I'm just glad it's happening in Albany of all.
Cities in the world, just Kucha terrible play for every single reason.
Last, I guess by my last question is: where do you think it's going to go? We got out as we talk about on the phone yesterday. Do you think this could be another gonna John Sound at Joe's daughter Waco? What do you? What do you think you guys were right actors? Don't wanna do yeah. I hope that the actors, at least we won't come
so this role yeah as soon as it comes down to telling an actor to kill themselves they're, like oh, wait
again. No, I mean I'd love to die in a film. Is there? Is there a script where I could? I mean 'cause a death scenes incredible an I can nail it. I could deal with good dead eyes that could do dead face, but
can't really die because pilot season coming up well, thank you! So much
Is there anything else that you want to ask Henry
but for now I mean I feel like we're going to end up following this case again, I think we're going to do an update, so we'd love to have you back Brock. If we diamond and I'm continuing to do my stuff,
I spent a year following people around and trying to bring some resolution here, hear the project I was working on.
Dead, but it will live on in a different version, and I'm working on that now and
we are really hoping that they, whatever I do here, is not in,
trying to get our attention or he is in pursuit
trying to get the last people that are in there out and
If you are in the call right now or if you've just left something please reach reach out to me. We are trying to do some good right now today, right now today,
please reach out. How can they do that rock I'm at rock will grow on twitter and I have a website there. Just yup find me on twitter find my
yellow light, yellow leaves reach out and let us help you help other people, yeah, absolutely you're old, you're you're the victims. In this you know a lot of these. A lot of these members are the victims in all of this. So if,
Thank you. So much Brock really appreciate it. Thank you bro. He said weird to say: is it
here to say that I'm not like, I don't want to.
Bad to happen to the people in Nexium when it comes to a cold
In my mind, it's been like, I mean it's going to play out anyway, it's going to play out and run. This point is true with Brock said: whoever is left as they fucking lie for anyway
the concern is because they are actors, they learn the rules of yes and an. I think, they've been yet said themselves to the point where they were still there. I don't know man. I think that these people are very susceptible to taking up
against the a
the FBI, whoever decides whatever.
An organization goes in inevitably to break this thing up or take
in their own lives. I think it's possible. I think it's very fascinating and I think now for listeners that are really interested in it's like do the reading about it. The website
it is really what we were talking about. The frank report is a really good breakdown.
All the cockamamie side stories they're are attached to this cold. It is, are
Obviously it's a story that still blossoming which we're going to
date and we're going to follow and see what happens with it yeah but
hopefully, lady clear enough for you 'cause a part of it's like it's just
I like when we started doing Scientology the Scientology Episodes is that
it's so hard to get into the very center of what of what the actual actions of the call right, and so you think about how does it take twenty years before this guy actually got brought to justice? First of all, you
have to have a lot of evidence and that has to happen overtime and, second of all,
even if you think something is going on to prove it is so hard also up to a point when they're not hurting specifically people outside of the cold. If it's all consensual, if it's a bunch of people, then it's the
it's central issue of wild wild country. Is that? Can you attack a group of people for what they believe in
and if it's total fucking horseshit and it's run by a dweeb that lives in Albany yep.
The that's always that's always the conversation, freedom of religion versus protecting innocent.
A so many sinewy. Just like four,
five year old, tight women,
it's all over each really fantasize a rule after wrapping up Henry is fantasizing here. Thank you guys. So much
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On your mind, we will
it's a poor, hopefully get to a we're. Just gonna try to follow the current events and and see where the week's taken the only branding I'm looking for, if it honestly is Verizon just
somebody to get in there and really in do some cash injections into our lives. You know I mean
so we can do the hail Satan.
Oh yeah sure yeah, I don't know if we can coin
Well, maybe who knows I've already bought
so much for listening, hail yourself, Hail Satan. This has been awesome, see you fokkers, yes, not user.
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