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minority. We are kept mccarthy incentive. Minority leader, midge Mcconnell, announced that they would oppose a bipartisan commission to invest The january six insurrection and other breaking news. The murderer on mare of east town, has announced that he is not in favour of all the sniffing around the mare has been doing region. cabin mccarthy and mitch fuckin Mcconnell on there the east out and let her take care of both of those dom white asshole, spoilers for american sound. We don't need while fully caught up- and I don't have any, but I say that can regard these vibe is the character on ace Crime show that kind of his just on the periphery. asking one too many questions, but kind of a nice beloved person in the town of you're like wait hold on. Kevin Mccarthy is like you know it. You know when, like we thought tat, crews was spineless. As I've got right, we thought tat. Crews was like the worst version of a man. You couldn't. I talk about having no

spied at all and then comes Kevin Mccarthy. In your like anyone like look around the republican party, you just can't believe that how disgustingly low, everyone, go it no bounds It's actually united, as that, like ted crews, is spineless, but he has a personality is a terrible personality, but it's a personality. You know you describe it, you could describe his character. Let me ask you a very serious question: is you had to have sex We have already had crew. Or Mcconnell or your entire family is taken away from you, which one do you choose You know what I'm actually going to which our common mccarthy format gates. Oh my god, it's some, I think, just have to say, like I'm sorry family, but if you would like your family,

shop. I am a firing squad instead of having sex with one of these men, I mean I wouldn't do that family. I would do it. I would figure it out, I'm not that clause. Well, then, there ok, that's a solid, sorry neurologist mom, I'm just kidding, I'm just getting my book on all your mom is actually with me right now, so she can hear everything is that europe is the mothers periods she's a you pick, one pick one cause. You got us, you pick one. I don't care what you pick. One jonathan. god there also grouse gross capital, police officers, release to state expressing their profound disappointment that republican leaders were engaging in a cover up, but the letter was anonymous, so who's to say out. Please actually feel about getting nearly beaten to death with trump flags, while protecting the lives of the very people who act on the man who now say it never happened and does it matter. Maybe they love it.

You know, I love that. Does the republicans defend the police, defend the police, defend the place and then what one of the places killed? Because of republicans behaviour? what that then why we're would have, but they have to say about that. Nothing, I'm in this whole entire mission to investigate this, and they are here Maybe you can actually explain this to me, John, because I was just reading an article in today's new york times about it. I don't like it passed through the house with those twenty five. begins voting on it. Why won't it passed through the senate because they need an extra vote like I don't understand why we won the senate, yet we can't get anything tasks in the senate. We have fifty and we need sixty unless we change the rules, we need sixty, which with any ten republicans. So what is the role when you just made fifty what I want, so you need basically right now. The way the Senate works because it is broken is for virtually all legislation you needs

sixty votes for nominations and for certain specific budget bills that really only effect by dollars and sends numbers or can be said to effect dollars and sends a numbers called budgets, reconciliation, those things get fifty but because the senate has been so broken. Instead of refer the rules to lower it from sixty two fifty we ve just jammed more and more and more crap ensue. The fifty threshold bill so like the trump administration pass tax cuts through reconciliation. At with fifty votes, they tried to pass obamacare repeal with fifty votes, reconciliation famously John Mccain. It mary put his thumbs down. That was because he was supposed to be the fiftieth vote to get that done. Wouldn't do it. We,

past the Democrats pass their relief bill with eighty votes that that the big guy suffering to like the infrastructure and the spending like pork barrel at rates so that they could get a pass through the fifty and that through the reconciliation. Ok, that's a great explanation. Thank you that just really clarified it for me, but the thing is it's like what's remarkable about this is like Joe mansion and cures and cinema standing in the way of doing anything with fifty that doesn't their basely refusing to do anything about the filibuster it looks like there's a real chance. The republicans won't even allowed this commission, which means that, in the name of bi partisanship Joe mansion and cares, and cinema are going to stop an invite, negation into an insurrection to overthrow the government. So it's like hey, I don't know priorities. I, like Bi partisanship

here. He, I guess I really don't give a fuck but whatever like it's, not bad, but I definitely think finding out the truth about the attempted overthrow. The government is like more important right. Look. You can't have like it's better of up It is in democracy that a by partisan, nothing, you know I mean it's really disappointing joe mansion and christian cinema like I'd there. Really these power plays, like you, down to you, you have this kind of idealistic listing idea about veto politics that people get it into this. Right reasons, and then it takes thirty fucking seconds for them to become corrupt. You know their heads well, I'm stick glad, I think they're not corrupt or think they're really obtuse. I think that they are misguided, obviously, with every you know their politicians in their behaving like politicians and they viewed as opposition to the filibuster reform as in their interest, but I also do think we should treat it as a sincere view, because this

in a pressure campaign needs to be part of this, but then be persuaded. They are to you. This is not like some big sweeping thing where we get a certain amount of public support will win like this is about the conscience and views and decision making and incentives and pressure on to human beings. who are going to react like human beings, who don't always respond well to being told what they should before dont, like being told that there are and tagging is to democracy right what we have to do carrot and stick to figure out like What are you afraid of, but also what do they want like? What are they see? What are they believe about themselves? What do they want their role in history to be a bit to be really thought about it, because we can yell, we can scream, we can hate what they're doing but like we fucking need them. we need them and their stuff. We need them. Even if we don't get rid of the filibuster right. There are potentially big votes coming up on things like the infrastructure package, where we could do it with the reconciliation with fifty one votes. We if we can't get republicans partnerships pretty hard to do so. It's like it's really delicate thing. We're like

even if they dont reform the filibuster. Joe Biden still wants cinema and mansion on his team for some of these big vote, so it sucks because millions of people worked so fucking hard to win them. congress and what success that it also you know. Maybe corruption is the right word, but the power play they like that position that Joe mansion is found himself in the way that he's exercising his power is so great. To watch yeah. There's arrogance, you yeah, there's so much arrogance to it because it's like he doesn't know the the wave of support that brought Joe Biden top as they gave Democrats the house back. The gate democrats, the senate, it didn't put Joe mansion and office, really didn't. He feels outside of it and western politics are not national politics and we don't even know your mansion he's gonna see the term, you don't know what your mansion wants or his features. So it's it is very frustrating is very frustrating that, like the normal incentives, politics don't apply the basic argument that we have like one fucking chance to pass of rules to protect our democracy before

now already rule as enshrined in states across the country. We have this one. We have like less. We like five hundred days to figure out how to like, over you note there, historically you lose seats when you have the white house, you lose seats in congress and that first midterm election. So we have this like incredibly short window to like defy history like being outlier history by showing millions of people are, Democrats really did get it done in the key is part of that so Yeah super frustrating, it's real bummer mansion is actually over here too. Oh my when he comes out from underneath the table, tell em to say hello, my fathers and me so absurd. Like you told me things with you and show our over fran. again my mom listen! I just want you to keep up with where we're at again it wasn't my hypothetical chelsea, as you put you up against the firing squad, but I did use that out, but I was Joe

and I am now alleging that you are having a toward love affair with Joe mansion, which dad just found out this. Is it as he day for your mom just having a blacklist hey mom you're welcome TIM ryan congressmen from ohio. Had this reactions when house republicans oppose the commission, the other ninety percent of our friends on the other side of the isle, holy cow incoherence, no idea what you're talking about Ben Gaza, you guys chase the former secretary of state all over the country, spend millions of dollars. We have people scaling the capital heading, the capital police with lead pipes across ahead, but we can't get Bi partisanship. You know what time that was, but, great you know that, though the wings of the plane shook a little when you said holy cow, we didn't know what was going to happen, but you land that that was cool. That too, tim ryan moment talked him moment. I would

first heard that screaming. On tv I was like oh here's, another republican, just fuckin screaming you now making no sense and I was like listening to what his second work. Well, that doesn't sound like a republican holds out a second a fair immediately, just assumed by Looking at him for a split second and hearing and scream that he was a Republican yeah. That was a great you know I don't see how these people are able to even maintain any decorum at all what why he's not cursing with fuck flying out of his mouth every thirty seconds. You know today- that angry. It's like a real reaction. I answered price that these people are able to even go to their jobs and not just tossed it out the window and, like you know why pocket? I give this people are to factor it's one of the worst offices in the. U klein? Reclined talked others a little bit in his book about polarization that, like what have you worked in an office where half the colleagues were trying to,

destroy the career of the other. All the time on my end like it would it's a in we strange environment even under the best of circumstances, but now you show up to work. You got anti mask is refusing to wear masks, refusing didn't near there. There were CNN stern pod, a little space it called the democrats and all the republicans in and they hundred percent, a Democrat said we are vaccinated and only fifty five percent of the republicans were willing to say we're back, doesn't mean that only fifty five percent of accidents- probably more but just the fact that a bunch of them view it as a dot. Your question to say, I am vaccinated, what a shitty office like good, a crappy placed her work what about half of the population, taking their medical advice from not Doctor or a scientist from

That boon. That re elected president, like taking their medical advice from donald trump, is what their stick. That's that's, who their guy he's fucking back nay it hasn't, he blot publicly talked about being vaccinated ass. You refused to do not count, nobody did it. He did say publicly that he did it thousand line we'd like when, when they you know all these guys, garlic, mccarthy, going down to kiss the ring. It's like he lost in it he law the house and he lost the state of georgia. Why them Are they kissing the asked of somebody who lost so many things? The fact that even I'll write new posts come out, and it's like hooty republicans. Who do you want to be your nominee and it's like fifty percent donald trump. Then it's like thirteen percent per seven percent don junior and then like romney's at three percent and four percent: less cheney at one percent ted crews at four percent, like marker rubio, one two percent like

this, because the reason they have to do it is they made a devils bargain having never. I guess learned how those end like they always badly? You fucking morons, like the story the devil's bargain. Isn't I made a deal with the devil? I got everything I wanted with no downsides yea good for me. No, it's bad and very poorly goes, during the read a book, go see damn fucking yankees or pay attention to one of the four years. That donald trump was president. Look how many people he demands of loyalty from who ended up either arrested, fired work, tenable, Like I mean come on. Speaking of trouble is in deep shit no green burg, the indicted beavis too many cases. Butthead pleaded guilty you six of the charges against him and indicated that he plans to fully cooperate with the feds. That's tough whose format gates to immediately sent his lawyer eventual payment payment with the memo field tuition, but then read the.

kill joel greeting per. It did, it makes me laugh, bona think we're running to a vision I just like kill jaw green, that's like when you saw Paul manner for walking into court, and you're like ok. If he goes to jail like personal, I can't wait for his hair system being maroon, you know and go to see somebody actually suffering in the confines of jail for a crime. That event. Did you see those guys had you the corridors and you're just like. I can't wait to see how this place out in prison. For you, madam, a great ties, the door. Nice ties nicely. Armas ties. I disagree, John. I found it style too big a really atrocious and almost year, trashy. Ok, we disagree there there's a place where we can agree to tolerate. Regards disagree about something,

in billionaire divorce news. The wall street journal reported that bill gates stepped down from the board and microsoft during an inquiry into an affair with a co worker and according to the new york times gateshead. record of pursuing coworkers, which explains how, whenever you started document in microsoft, word a couple years were clearly would pop up and say it looks like you. after a non disclosure agreement. Do you need help making it ironclad? Is she angry bill? Is she angry Helen. I meant to this story a lot because I don't find bill gates to be some sort of. Ladies man, but then again it's a he's, a man. So, of course he is, or he think fancies himself to be one ass. If I just don't think he's, the type of my sister goes a man every man is capable of this stage. You address you haven't you learned anything in the last two years and then I did hear about yeah the microsoft board, and then I heard that he she had I'm an attorney about two years ago right when she found out he was out of Jeffrey Epstein event yeah. So I think it's interesting, like there's been a lot of

smoke and then you know always adapts needed it not obscene. It's like we don't a boring. The story as right like this could just be the story of a rich dude, who slept with a lot of people. It can still just be that right. So back, there's a lot of people like really spent a lot of just like, I think, speculation on the Epstein side of it, which we don't really know. But then it is a lot of the other stuff. There's nothing more yeah, I mean when she went away to an island like she was renting this island right in the caribbean and with her whole family and all the kids and all their spouses. It seems to me that something must have went down and down and in the description of the divorce irretrievably broke in it's definitely seem like a cheating situation. Right, like you know, it's going to an island like that's, not necessary for your having an amicable divorce, you know gotta. When I left the weight. Will you don't need to go to an island, but I don't know what it's like. There is a level of like maybe that's like the equivalent of like going

the garage shut, like my friends, have A guy does need a few minutes, you'll clear my head in the garage she goes to the island. So we don't know, we don't know, but right now, but not now what we don't now, but thinking of bill gates as a ladies man is very entertaining I am I do the goods is there. Something happens when these and obviously we learn something more horrible rulers and marble, but like these these nerds- and I say that with love as one of their elk, you never stop being a that was a nerd in high school. You know they never stop eating to prove that that ship, I dont, think, comes out the shouldered around, download that ship on your shoulder costs, but it's more than what they'll gates as it's like more money than what elon musk as they had that ship on shoulder is very expensive to purchase, and so it just stays there and then it's like they got while this shit, just because they

nerds in high school with acne and glasses, like that is like so much of our society's problems. Just all they needed was a just cause. Come somebody been nice to these fuckin kids when their work in it there. Peters right get an hour. They had gotten let one blow job before the age of thirty. You know what I mean just south, throw some icy summit throwing them a single born you're. Absolutely right! I friend always goes Mary, the nerd mary, the nerd. It's like now, not necessarily nerd seem, like you know, a good thing on paper that there, when they grow up in the mature that there there. The solid wants is like yeah, but they all do ever chip on your shoulder. You said it perfectly you're married the nerves, very just don't the nerves of bad the jobs are bad. Men are bad, stray men are bad. Just your clear of the category of what we're learning is that all straight white men are evil thing. We need to take appropriate action, we're in a period probation, this is. Probation four ways straight man,

Has the commission? That's the commissioner, that we need yeah exactly and when you guys are often probation like one way better dawn, straightway manner that we will? Let you know women will let you know that we can. We can start going back two normalcy, but until you prove to us that you are all not predators, because so many are, you know it's just for fruit or just creeps or just creeps, and if your a creep. You know somebody who s creepy, any didn't say anything florida, an alligator, etc in florida, an alligator was relocated by authorities ever chasing customers were wendy's parking lot to protect the community. They took it to a parties. We note, first of all, with every chicken eggs. Today's can, I just say, are the best chicken eggs available. Now they are the ass they are now. Would use are better the mcnuggets. The mcnugget sought the mcnuggets other. In the business,

wrong you're wrong for those aren't even nuggets the wet mcdonald's put in their. If you read the sombre- and it says with red me, you know what rid media is john not fucking, rip delicious delicious. delicious meat, now No, what I will not have the deed. Look you peter people, in spreading misinformation about mcdonald nuggets for years right. Aren't you pull up to a wendy's, ok and find out what I'm talking about? You think I don't know what a wendy's chicken nugget tastes like I am. There is no checking no get in this country that I cannot tell you about. I know the nuggets chelsea. I know the nuggets: have you checked, Selina gets you bet I we need better. Have we should check you? I think that was a trap. You think I am you think I don't know. I guess what I see your trap I step into it. Did you think I know you don't think I dont other related only was apparent trust you guys have attained to end. These are the best things, ever come out of chicken nugget I'll. Tell you this I'll. Tell you this purely on taste, mcdonald's, mcnuggets, the best, but

I can check a nuggets. Why tiny bit a danger, tiny bit of risk. Doing something wrong that add something to it add something to the experience like look at this, some being naughty ashen, beating this negative, both bad for me and I kind of remember the samantha geisha that may have happened in the past and that all It's too, I really like the strictly nuggets. Dont get me any more about it. I've seen the tweets it hasn't. Stop me and kind of remember, I think, is the catch. All phrase that you can just remind people of yukon, remember something but you're, not sure. Why, and I don't want to know- and you know what, if you want me to check the late, they should put it in this century. City mall. Well done this is about politics. Also, this week act mr trying to find a sanctuary for a beluga, well spot it off the coast of norway wearing russian harness that was thought to be a russian spied, a russian spy whale,

will soon be adapted into a major motion picture called licence to krill, I'm just kidding is called, tinker whaler soldiers by just kidding. It's called from Russia with blubber, that's better. That's that I like the beluga, the whale story, and I do believe that russians, I would put it I'd like links, a harness on a whale to spy on us. I believe the whole heartedly I've, a russian sister in law and I'm the kind they ve been suspicious about what is going to harness the sheet. It's just the chase, russian and she's a real she's, a poor, moiled, loyal level too, about what a strong leader putin is and that he doesn't poison anybody and not only propaganda, you ve been propaganda. American propagate, ok, great, yet novalis these like! Oh! No, why am I almost getting killed by this? How does propaganda, making basis yeah. When I brought up to her crimea, the annexation of korea, she said chessy, they voted devoted the russian people

It remains voted for russia. They wanted russia to come in and take them on. My propaganda about that's propaganda. Nobody was thrust come in and conquer them, no one. Finally, andrew giuliani, son of regional Jani, a man who definitely falls asleep on the couch in front of the tv every night and then move on to the better like for. I am said this: about his own nascent campaign for new york governor about making all well, I'm the only candidate that spent ports of five different decades of my life in policy. the public service and of all the review, our ports of five decades. I'm gonna go clerks and five decades in their ease. They d get negative five decades, you're thirty five, it has even work. It's ilities thing is what is basically saying is accounts because he saying eightys, the nineties, the two thousands to does intend to other twenties. Means is counting when he was a child and his dad

running for opposite. He sang like I am qualified to drive this seller, because my daddy took me on a tutu train, the level. That's the level really well he's a duly honest there who eat. I mean it believe we ve already seen what happens as they unravel going into their later years. There that anyone in new york months to elect another person with the last named giuliani after this last for your performance by his father, is very amusing. Its awesome, Chelsea handler as always so good to see it as with so much fun best to you best. Oh god, you're russians, migrations So I think it vital your mom. She still here say goodbye. Germander Joe Joe. still here and there's a couple other people hanging out in my gym. So I have to go check out and see who bigger what other politicians are here and one which ones want to confront me. Josie adler,

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by Hamas, directed at israeli civilians and with by israeli defence forces inside of Gaza. What happened asked the last ceasefire, what what did it look like after it took effect while the same? What happened after the ceasefires into has nine ceasefires, employing twelve things got worse in actually, why I think we need to be cautious. A welcome he's fire in terms of the fact that opposites can save people's lives. It there's not active military operations, but basically, if you look at what Fourteen to twenty twenty one what's happened since and with respect to the palestinian circumstance prime minister Netanyahu used to say he was for two state solution now says he will never allow a tap on his watch the settling continued to expand significantly, including into areas where palestinians actually lived and have been displaced. Humanitarian situation in Gaza. Continued worsen and you're trump of came in and basically do Netanyahu, every single thing he wanted

on this issue and it led to the kind of extreme hope business. There was so present throughout this last Gaza conflict was different. This time is there's no peace process. There's no! of a two state solution, there's no sense, if there's any hope not just for people in Gaza, but four proposed indians and arabs in Israel itself in an office in the west bank. So, but I think people need advice opened the cease fire help, save law but it can solve the problem. You know I remember actually at the way ass. I remember you saying this to me that you are frustrated because had been another round of criticism. about administration for not being pro israeli enough for one reason or another. I dont member the exact circumstances, but I remain you saying, if you believe in it I was right to exist. That means you believe in a two state solution and if you believe in two state solution, the only one

forward, is to stop some of these settlements is to stop some of the ways in which israel is undermining the prospects of a peace process. Now he reiterated its a decade later, almost ass. Benjamin Netanyahu has abandoned a two state solution, and now there are more and more people advocating for a one state solution. The carry planet saw their talk, with tommy and parts of the world. That is, that is the last democratic plan that exist for a path to a two state solution or of an opening bid towards the two. A solution. Where is your head out on that debate right now? What do you think of these arguments being made for one state solution versus the two state solution? I think we have to step back in and be honest where the situation is in words going because you know I've I get yours, you get attacked by. All men are people who don't like what I say about this issue, but then I think sincerely some people that will point out that the palestinians and take the deal at camp David, which was now over twenty years, but the reality is. How could this end? It could end in it

its solution, and everybody knows what that looks like in the carry plan, identifies it and it's you to give the palestinians enough that they actually have a state can- and it did the palestinians in east Jerusalem as the capital there that's one way this could go The other way could go is where it feels it gets going, which is Israel wants to have control over all the land from the mediterranean to the Jordan river, so basically the entire west bank and in there. Four time through attrition through five ten twenty years, the passing just to have to submit to that were or leave, and then the other ways to say you know what we're for one state in which power have rights with israelis. There's not another way. This can go what I always the people who no kind of get critical me for being critical of these. Really. What is your solution to dealing with the palestinians? You know like they lived there. There means of them. They are human beings, they live in Gaza and the west bank and in jerusalem, someone, refugee camp, What is your and there's? Never an answer right

in these really government is actually now become more open in its aspiration for a greater israel for basically can in all the land. And into where's my head on this, my head is like I'm still a two state solution. Guy goes like that seems like the best outcome. To this whole thing I have to read, so within, ignores the reality that that sounds meaningless. What is mean to a palestinian kid: you are, we just american talk about two state solution when there lived reality is something that making that impossible. Then I the logic of people say: let's have once its solution, which are basic rights, two seems like it could be. Your just outcome, John, like we have trouble, now live republicans in this country hook like envisioning a reality missions, relays and palestinians kind of all live peacefully. Unprosperously together is It is hard to see that happening in, and so I think we're stuck where we are

yeah, you know you tell about this others with tommy a bit how unsustainable this all is, and yet it has been sustained sustained decades. It has gotten worse in a generation her tone is no. Have you heard of a shepherd town? It's an audio allusion. It's a scam, that sounds like is rising forever, but never actually rises. It uses perpetually getting more and more and more elevated dinner. You mentioned that, like the benjamin, who is now said. No, no. Two state solution on his while she obviously doesn't believe in a state in which there are more palestinians than jews and democracy right. He does not believe in that right. So is that simply acknowledging that what he wants is a permanent situation in which the palestinians are non citizens in Gaza and the west bank and second class citizens inside of israel I don't know how you look at that and calculate include anything differently, The situation is essentially the Education is parliament

These really settlements are just eating away at the land where the palestinians live and life. Being made so miserable for palestinians. There either forced to leave, or maybe they choose to leave. I mean that's the logic of what is happening with the israeli government's policies. If you don't think that's right you. Don't do Israel any favours by saying you you criticise it over that or on question, whether the? U s continue to provide almost for doing how's your and assistance to government. That is doing that. You know the question What can change that? Obviously the biggest thing is that there is a shift in israeli politics, challenges it. Israel's been moving more to the right and it's baltic. And so one of the only other things can change. That, I think, is the united states and I think that americans, in particularly american jews, resist one positive america can feel this intuitively right, because you you want Israel to succeed you you wanted to be both a safe haven for the jewish people and adjust place, but

how can you ignore, where this is all going? I was Trying to be honest about and say: look I as a jewish person I do see. Israel as a refuge for a a persecuted group of people that there was wiped out the planet, continued after the holocaust and and when I said that I was a I. I think that I was there a lot of you who just that they stop listening after that, and I wish they hadn't right. I wish they had continued listening, because what I said is as who believes in Israel. I dont understand how you can believe in israel without also recognising that Israel is never going to be safe and free, and and sustainable, if the palestinian people are subjected to indiscriminate killing are not free are not. able to building a life were not able to build a country that that is not sustainable. I do think it important that we talk about that.

Did the reaction you might have gone to that due attention to me about that is John. Like you, I probably I grew up in household with it: a jewish mother who, You know zionism was not inconsistent with kind of secular, socialists like yeah, but you know like the that israel in it. I think what Buzz recognises you and I at a time when it was still and got a recent memory that Israel was like this underdog. You know of fighting off its burs claiming its capacity to live as a free and independent state, but rooted in some pretty leftwing values equal rights for all its citizens and what you ve had over the particularly correct turbocharging since Rabin's assassination, not a kind of get too in history here, is just this kind of steady, marched to the right in israel for a lot of reasons. Some of them, demographic, some of them political summum, tied to the global trend of the rise of gum, ethno nationalism, babies, the vanguard of all those trends. Where'd, you go.

actor is not only do I worry about like how secure could Israel be if it doesnt addresses, but working world, as if in which ethnic nationalism is is on the march that ends up usually being really dangerous world for tourism, talk like it. I'd always comes back, and we see this even now. Right, like the rise, venice disease from all directions in some accent, there's a formula to help people talk about this in the two state solution: in the final status issues in the new. If you ve read, really speak about. This is a language of these really housing complex. Maybe it's just to throw that language out and just consider the experience of a palestinian child who has no freedom movement in Gaza, who has no running water for most of the day was no electricity. Who has no political leadership to speak out. They have Hamas who deal I'm sure they are much love for and don't even born to a nation. Is it's not right? In europe, things jewish traditions, like jewish experience, like should tell you that's, not right and it can seem hopeless, but

given that you know you'll, never fix it Ultimately, what has happened is issued inside of Israel, but I think america does it is is is deluding itself If we act like we have no agency here, you ve got to try the fact that there is this metaphor inside of israeli politics right now, which is One of the reasons benjamin Netanyahu saw some political benefit in this conflict. Is that here unable to form a government, but the opposition is also unable to form a government is a moment which right wing politics is not be fully embraces the answer, but there does, seem to also be a coalition and alternative coming together to for something different- and I think that's true in both in terms of what we're seeing in Israel, but also in in our own language and our own conversation. I feel the same way. I am not an expert in this. I look too to you. I looked to others for the language of how to talk about this, how to believe in how to advocate for the rights and lives of palestinian people. Why

while, while believing in the product of Israel, we One mentality might say that because of the experience, the jewish people throughout history, deserves exceptions. Israel deserves to be to do certain things that we probably wouldn't agree with other governments are doing it again. I think that that that families, a dangerous world for the jewish people, not not not just of the state of Israel because more just and peace for the world is generally that the less things like anti sam his him take root. I just worry about where this is going. Without of a course, correction looks as we want to find a way out. These conversations at least people feeling No, no over their eyes are no. As our wedding night hopeful know. What's hopeful is its young people. You even mentioned that babies tried four times now for elections in its current form. A government like these really people are ambivalent about something you know, and you talk Israelis it that they built

europe through their own trauma. Tell you about terrorism and in my mouse rockets in very persuasive ways, but then they know this doesn't feel right. I mean not all of them. Some summer right wing, and I we should add like just like in america. Is people I'd really don't agree with ear and opened by the way the debate inside of Israel on the question of of Israel has billion more fulsome and wider than the one that we have a united states, its much more open. I mean you saw much more come during Israel, this last round of this whole gaza orangist by babies, politics. If you here. You know like that, would kind of get pushed out of the debate. Hopefully, the younger people being ikea, precipitous metropolis. Connecting the different movements that are happening in the world for social justice, racial justice equality, though the most notable thing that happened to me and the passing side during last of which was a non violent general strike. Non violence is a hopeful thing. It there's hope its people, even though it so

third I marked so many people like spoken appear, including you see these young, whose voices who its painful to speak out, but there's something hopeful about people care enough. to say- and this is your right to me and I do think come. It is striking that the leadership of Hamas declared victory. Benny Gansu, as the israeli defence minister declared victory, but I think there is not a person watching this conflict that thinks anybody won anything. No. Nobody won anything nets that except baby. You know who probably want himself at least another election then roads. Thank you. So much at everybody should pre order bends book. It's called after the fall it as the subtitle, but you don't need that to Google, it just google after the fall ben roads. Thank you so much to ban for joining us. When we come back the radio. don't go anywhere, love it or leave. It is more on the wet loved her leave. It has brought you by credit karma who doesn't?

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airline rest in an the host. Stereo returning champion Erin ryan, I didn't know there were champions of the there are champions, is currently does your birth. I will never leave. It is historic day Storing data is my first time, I'm so excited and I'm Aaron's produced around hysteria, so full circle, for an exciting exciting. By this we gonna. We are. We have dear Evan hansen, Chris Cuomo, the texas abortion law, the electric for it s, one fifty be friends, reunion, buried, tillers little island. We have denied Nicole Hannah jones tenure, and we have justice. Stephen briar are that's been the wheel

It has landed on the call Hannah jones being denied tenure in north carolina is a quick twelve points about this one. Obviously, this is a political decision, because there's been a lot of fear mongering and bullshit about the one thousand. Six hundred and nineteen project and any other any other explanation is so clearly falls on its face to the so many people who have made lovely boutique substitute careers at decrying cancel culture. This is cancel culture. That is what this if there's any definition of it. That makes sense. This is one of them business.

My view is eminently qualified being denied a tender position because of her politics, because our politics are viewed as either controversial or run counter to republican orthodoxy or other orthodoxies about the founding of this country, and it is so obvious- and it is so obviously an opportunity for peace. who cling to care about what they call cancel culture to show that they don't just mean comes from the left, but they're not taking that opportunity, and it's it's interesting. It's interesting when it's when it's not from the left when it's about race, when it's about a black woman being denied opposition because of her views on race. Suddenly they go pretty quiet semi there

It's a question. Suddenly they are very, very curious about the exact way in which the decision was made. There's something about our politics. Maybe this was always true where our politics revolves around terms and, in those terms, are stripped of all meaning, like that just happens over and over again, like fake news cancel culture, we can make a huge list of them like we create these terms, and then both sides create their own data. We have no meaning or created, like I'm, no definition that up that applies universally and so just becomes arguments over semantics, but I dont know what cancel culture is if it means anything it to me means punishing people for politics. You disagree with that are actually totally reasonable parts of our debate and it means corporations over reacting to criticism and viewing. It is in their interests to a seed to that criticism, rather than standing behind their people, and we have two examples. This week we have had a nicole johns,

We have this report for the AP, who is fired for her tweets and her past support of palestinians, and both are examples of a of whatever cancer culture means. It means this and it's amazing who cares and who doesn't know. I would add to the point that you were making about taking terms and over using them to the point that their stripped of their meaning. I think that there is a deliberateness to it like fake news does have an important. It's disinformation lying on end pup, agenda and those are really important tools of the right and then all of a sudden donald trump starts yelling about it like it's something that mainstream media is doing to totally sands down any meaning that it could have when we use it to save the thing that it means cancel called has always been a right wing endeavour is always been something that conservatives have have worked to do and an end to say that it is something that liberals are doing takes that word from us and takes the real debt

mission away from a real thing, which is what you are just talking about the front right. Let's go it has landed on me friend, reunion special suggested by one caroline rustin away, so love, First of all, things are bringing me. Things are very means paying attention to this, like really needs, but critically important issue. The friends reunion on hbo, it's happening everywhere. Super excited, but I'm asking myself why now I need this reunion bullet first purpose this by saying you will be hard pressed to find another human being in this world. Who is a bigger fan? Can to the show more in their bones than I do. When I was younger, the show was personality, I'm a huge fan. That said, we know this report giving us up Reunion feels like I get.

A documentary about keeping up with the croatians like what did. We not know about this show when I watch this like. I already know all these like fun facts. I don't need to watch matlin blonde, get facts about his own show incorrectly its literate viewer eating they all went on to be like major stars and like over saturated that we see them on instagram. We see them in our views. I pretty much would say LISA coup droesse show. Web therapy was a friend's reunion, considering every single one of them was on it. Can I just absurd interrupt, but I just also want to say that web therapy- was so ahead of the fucking game, its assume show. It's a damn. Shell letter aliens, amazing tsar, caroline! Please continue so you want it's like the entire cost was on that show. So I feel like we ve pretty much see them. Reunited four hundred times are feels like there's nothing special, or that shocking that can come out of this, so

do I need a check in no now with that being said, I cry when I want to trailer and will be watching every second, but I'm not happy about it, and I don't like that. This new generation is all up in my favorite show. So now I dont need underground counter. So when I saw that there was gonna be a friend's ringing in my first thought. Was that rule I want to see these six people do an epoch, friends. Now, that's really uninterested in that I'm interested. In that context, I want to find out what happened. I want to see them doing those characters all these years later, and then that I see The trailer is like. Oh, I see what happened. Nobody interested in doing that, and they also basically will give you one day and will do whatever you want, but we're not gonna like acts are not going to come in and be the characters, so they seem to have gotten them to do some kind of a table read of an episode which I think is so funny, and they did some kind of conversations I believe they march them all out to the fountain to see they found me again,

think about it felt, like I know, Obviously there all like? Obviously you know you got older what time, but something else about it felt like so slow now, Michael, my watching, and what have you, the man, what happened with the men? Don't you know what you know? What shame on you what happened to them. I have questions errand, any thoughts yeah? I never really watched friends, but I did live in new york city for like almost seven years, and I think that I have friends reunion if it was going to be realistic to the authentic living in new york city. For a long time, experience would be about how they all got married and had kids and moved so far away from each other. They never saw each other again like rachel moves to queens and they like lose track of her, and the like so alive. That's cool, it's just not, it's not realistic. That there are a lot of reasons at friends is not realistic to the experience of living in new york city, namely that, like it's weird that they're all white, that doesn't

seem quite right to me, but it is also aware that they stay in touch all this time, because literally, I ended friendships because I was like living in harlem and somebody moved down to crown heights and was like whelp negative, a person. Can I'm interested in the content. I wanna see what I want to see them altogether. I mean, of course, I'll be watching. I mean the trailer literally made me cry, even though I am angry about it It was emotional. They think put that basic, slow down I'll, be there for you like this, do a slower, Tempoed paste underlying dammit there I met. I also pretty sure they're not ready for the exploration of chandler character as the villain of the show as the but we're not raven That's not I've had a conversation, let spin it again, it landed on dear Evan hansen, alright, so here

I want to say about this, so there was a the trailer is out of the film version of the hit broadway musical dear Evan hansen, and a couple of points, one I am glad that people are finally coming to understand that this musical is not what they thought it was or assumed. It was, which is the story of a sweet befuddled bully gay teen trying to fitted with other kids, but as an about a nevsky sociopath who dupes a grieving family. I'm very side of the people are learning the truth about dear enhance- and this is something I talked about for some time- didn't get the attention it deserves now I think the songs are beautiful, actually really loved musical. It worked on me. I cried question. about the moral values, questions about the moral values, but that's not what people are hoaxing on their allowed people focusing on the fact That too their mind, bend lad, does not look like he is still in high school and you

what plans does not enable anymore, but that's not the problem. The problem is, there are enough cool parts for weird gay magically talented people and its far up to basically ryan murphy, define parts for weird gay nash, treasures an aging female movie stars and it cannot rest on ryan murphy shoulders. Alright, like I watched the politician on networks are right, and that was great and was great to see Ben platt in that the injustice here all put aside, that critical, tweets, there's no in this world prevent black to do all right and he's a national treasure. Also another important point, all the evans hands in our data each other there all up enough couples. They all book, which I think is her. Where its just the Evans hansen just hook up- and I think that's great and sweet and a great bribery detail.

and I do remember sitting in the theatre in broadway. I sought on broadway, obviously, and like a few minutes in being like I'm sorry, is this a street character? Does this character of a crush on a girl? Ok ok, broadway, ok, cool I love that the Evans hansen, all data, which other that is so sweet. It's like when that women's hockey player from Canada married the women's hockey player from the? U S, national team or like what two women soccer players date, each other, like the same feeling when two evans hansen's ordaining, are, does bigots open it because it's like, I think, it's great battle enhancing. The character has occurred. On the sister in the family he's a foolish. in in real life. Enhancing has a crush on it and they got much. I think it's great, let

but it again It has landed on the texas law banning abortion, which was suggested. By aaron rain. I am always willing to wherever I am just kind of yell about abortion. That's just my it's! Basically, my purse banality. But this we govern yelling about abortion more than usual. So this week, texas, governor gregg abbot, advice about seven aunt Lydia's and a dozen viagra adds worth of grinning white men sign into law when the most acone an abortion restrictions in the country, which is a ban on abortions after six weeks gestation, with no ex four raven incest. It's really really cool it's incredible to me how little these fuck seem to know about pregnancy like first most women don't know their pregnant until they miss a period.

Point. They are for weeks pregnant by the medical definition. Oh be July and don't see pregnant patients to confirm that their pregnant until there eight weeks pregnant, because embryonic tissue is so small, it's hard to even detect with an altar sound before eight weeks and, furthermore, the so called heartbeat, isn't even real heart beat the heart isn't formed at all. Yet is just an electronic pulse and a connection of cells. It will eventually become a heart, but facts. Don't matter to these people I wanted where's gregg abbot on the it will by ology of what pregnancy is or what pregnant bodies go through and how hard a wanted. Pregnancy is on a human body and how cruel it before somebody who doesn't want to be pregnant to go through it because it's fucked cruel governor. Do you know how many centimetres cervix needs to be dilated in order to enable childbirth? ten centimetres. It's like this. It's big just want people to go through that you don't want to and growing. Can you explain what pelvic floor collapses? dont, google- it if you dont know already just

place to say its deeply unpleasant, but all the signs aside, it's not like abbot or is ill, have done jack shit to make life easier or safer for parents and children. Apart from this, like a where's restriction like greg but has said nothing in the fight for paid parental leave. He actually fights against it he has done nothing to protect pregnant workers, fights against that. He has that's an anything to regulate toxic chemicals that are dangerous to moms and babies. Fights that? Does nothing addressed the black maternal mortality rate in this country or overrun. restoration of mothers in a way that, like separates them from their kids, doesn't never fight that either he has not fought. Limiting access to guns he's tried to make it easier for people to have access to guns which often tend to kill people, including children, He has not done anything to protect non vaccinated, kids from covered he's not done anything to promote, affordable health care. Compound sex that access to birth control, universal precarious affordable daycare. All the reasons that parenthood is difficult, he has not done anything to fix them.

so all these people want to do. They don't want people to become parents, they dont want people to become mothers. All they want to do is say fuck you, two women in every way imaginable. I because they can't go they clearly have no ideas So now that brings me to the biggest fuck you of all, which is about to come from the supreme court last week, the supreme court read to hear a case out of mississippi. That is the first directive, to row that the court will here, since they have in six three majority conservative. We know that five justice is on the court are very, very a conservative and maybe John Roberts will defect, but it can it doesn't matter at this point? The mist shipping law that is going to supreme court directly challenges, row and row is going to either fall or be lee dramatically scaled back and I dont think people quite grass, was about to happen, and

before all of this in of the supreme court stuff, a texas six week ban would just be political theater, but now like shit has gotten real. You guys like if row is overturned laws like texas, is what actually go into a fact rather than what they to do, which is just be caught up in the court system forever. So, everybody's hair should be on fire about this right now, like not only are these fuckers taxes total cruel idiots, but Their cruel idiocy has a real shot at governing the way that people form their families and what happens inside people's bodies and a fuckin sucks, and that's red sox. Us I can. We start writing lies that force to be a hundred percent a part of the process and have like a financial investment in yeah there.

Because these guys seem to be getting off scot free in the women, obviously carrying the entire burden of these early abortion bans. Yes, so funny story. Actually the state of Utah just signed a line to effect that would mandate that fathers pay for half of the press, it'll care and childbirth costs associated with woman. They do have a law on the books it if row falls abortion this automatically bet be banned. A new type of the governor there was like you guys have to pay for half of it

but still it doesn't really matter of their paying like half of the money. No of like a hundred per cent of the biological cost of childbirth falls on people with female reproductive parts. So, like it's just it's unbelievable and yeah. It's it's bad. Due to your point, I do think also you made this point. I think it's worth reminding people I do think one of the dangers in terms of the coverage is that it is going to be covered as a yes or no question. Did the court overturn row or did the court uphold row and spring or just as our political creatures? Despite what justice Stephen briar says and reminder just seem, virus has because the courts, not political, he's, not sure, he's gunnar retire. We have already seen majority wash imposed pointed out today. Fourteen of

Fifty members of the democratic majority in the senate are from states where the gnp would appoint the replacement or there would be no replacement. Seven of those fourteen are over the age of seventy. Our majority hangs by an absolute thread, but the point I was I was making is only that, because the supreme court, as it is a political body, they know that they can get away with a lot by restricting row but out overturning row, and we It also to be very, I think, that's like a really important way. We can talk about this in the leading up to these decisions is to say, we are not watching to see whether or not they overturn it. We are watching to see whether or not they restrict access to health care for impregnable yeah. I totally agree and one thing that that the mission the law would ban abortions after fifteen weeks, which is like right at the beginning of this second trimester of pregnancy, vast majority of abortions take place and trimester one, but abortions that take place in trimester too often happen.

For reasons that are like really there's there's like tat. dick reasons there's reasons of of funding their reasons of like a changing nature, of of somebody's like relationship. So, like you know, sometimes it takes a long. for somebody to save up, and so they are. They don't know that their pregnant, especially if their birth control, or they found out that there is some sort of a birth defects that would not like that. The baby wouldn't survive and they don't find that out until the second trimester. That's like it's not possible to detect, and until then so this, like ban think a lot of lay people who don't know about the process of pregnancy or like what this looks like Think, like all that's totally reasonable. You know they have enough time, no it's not reasonable and it should be a private decision between a pregnant person and their doktor, because you don't want to be inside the life of a person who has to make a decision that that's that's that hard you know like. Why are we? Why are we inserting ourselves into that? It's just

so in humane. To me, I like it makes my life claims on the side of my face like it makes me so aims. Furious flames flame on the side of my sharp metal income, and banning abortions. Doesn't stop people from getting abortions? In fact, more people will probably getting abortions, though more bans are being put in place a dislike, so it so scary and frustrating, because it's not as an end to an abortion is an anti beagle abortion and said, abortion agree, that's been a woman and it has landed on Stephen briar. Here's quick point on Stephen briar, Stephen briar has some kind of book to a common up, and he gave this speech about how could just as it shouldn't be. Political agendas are in political and his kind of pretty obtuse defence of why he thinks that the court is not a political body like ok in home would be

great. If the court wasn't in political body, it would be great if I could eat them, a fast food I want to eat without facing the consequences. I do face their lot. Things in this world. I wish for true that aren't true when you have to live as you can't just leave is the thing you wish were true is true, because then will our problems problems I won't get into here in this space, but the washington post pointed this out today and I do think it's worth. letting, which is that Democrats have a fifty see majority that fifty seat majority credibly tenuous, it is incredibly tenuous. Obviously, in the upcoming mid, election, though I think the Senate majority is less in doubt and house majority but the tenuous in another way, which is there, are fourteen democratic senators right now from stew, it's where if they were to leave office because resignation or because of you know, god above

Those seeds would either not be filled or they would be filled by a republican of those fourteen. Seven are set, de plus, seven member The time senate majority come from it's where they either would not be replaced or would be replaced by a republican over the age of seventy years old? There is way too much riding on ongoing beating of de Janeiro hearts right now, there's a beat beat beat it stops, beat beat beat. could stop at any moment. Could stop in the night could stop during the day? could stop on elliptical, b, b b. We have lost our ability to do so much replace justice briar if he were to retire. Pass through reconciliation, Joe Biden, family plan, Joe Biden, jobs plan and

Potentially, if we were to lose the house are, we need to make sure that republicans don't steal this election. So it is a reminder that this moment is one of incredible urgency. Urgency and courts, urgency on the legislative fronts and urgency in terms of having the ability to protect. What is now a three person liberal wing of the court, and I find all of the obtuse nonsense coming from those saying we shouldn't tells even prior to resign to be pretty ridiculous. You know the argument seems to be. You can't tell the truth, because the truth makes even briar upset and I happened to hope. That's even breyer, smarter that, maybe is not, but I don't think we should pretend that the truth isn't true just to assuage the ego of one old man with too much power you're just because He is a great supreme court justice and during his tenure, has done really important work, but that doesn't Take him a very good assessor of the political climate. you know what I mean like her two different skills that- and I totally He said he said

personally, I consider retiring, but my only thing is like if he retired, woodbine, b to nominate lake. Joe mansion should had nephew otherwise Joe mentioned were voted down like how what kind of a cat, what kind of a replacement for briar would they be able to get through. With this current slater democrats, I think that is a tomorrow am I think that, as of tomorrow, my my might you know Joe mansion has enough power. I you're totally right, like that. He Joe mentioned, may very well have objections, but we cannot allow the potential for Joe mansion objections to got. We need to put forward. The best progress. I don't u. Dont is great, but I'm just it's like yeah, maybe that's possible, maybe that maybe at the fight to fight, but you have to to yet to have that fight, and so is there a possibility to the Joe manchin put up a stink nominate, a real progressive? Maybe maybe, but we gotta put up

as if so, but that's not actually have right now, because deepened briar likes his job and I get that it's a cool job and it's the last. Probably the last thing you you know, I don't I don't know what it's like to be: an old person. Looking back on my career and and wondering what I'll do after I retire, it's not something all due for quite some time. Hopefully, unless I go out in that place of glory- at the cheesecake factories toward me I take back my ran. I think really really need s, friends or union like I think that it has up to now. We need a thank you so much darren and caroline for joining us. We come back. I talk to asked in schweitzer from the central american progress about myths around a so called me george, take don't go anywhere with more of love it or leave it coming up. Latterly, brought to you by better help in twenty twenty one. Mental health is finally a thing: mental health yeah. That's gonna be a thing:

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of jobs, and it was a discipline airport, it was, you know, said order of magnitude less than what was expected. This is two republicans pouncing and sang. This was told you would happen, you passed unemployment benefit we're too generous and now people don't? want to work, but you just a piece about this. Looking at the ways in which this is in true, so what is we're going on here. What is the argument against this idea of a labour shortage? First of all, be anecdotal. Evidence is never going to be all encompassing of the eternal economy. It's just anecdotal there's plenty of anecdotal evidence, also showing that employers who raise their wages, are finding a boys but We look at the data underlined. We didn't I economy. We just had jobs report, not showing in April. That's the economy added up modern, sixty six thousand jobs, which was disappointing for what people are expecting, but when you the underlying numbers about it actually added three hundred and sixty six thousand

jobs to the leisure and hospitality sector and some other sectors. The kind of less good some, They lost jobs, which is why you cannot do that to undertake six thousand nets, delusion hospitality sector, is where we are seeing a lot of besides posted, for we can't higher anyone. That's restaurants in bars and other places like that. You wouldn't seed the faster job growth in the invalid and hospitality sector if unemployment insurance was holding that back, because that is the sector that pays de la Wages are basically any other sector somehow it has the fastest job growth of any of them. If unemployment insurance was keeping people from working, then it is the low wage workers who were less before and might actually be earning more on unemployment insurance. That will become it back if it was because they were just quoting what lazy, but is actually the case that were seeing low wage workers come back and were also seeing workers in the states that have higher unemployment insurance benefits. They are

their employment grow a lot faster than the that offer little and unemployment benefits which are, of course, and someone ironically, republican, but states were also situation where vaccinations are still kind of wrapping up jobs. Report data actually is reflective of mid April and the entire country did not start open, not vaccinations, all adults sixteen over until April nineteen. So a lot of people just did not have full immunity, and you can't expect people to go back to work, but other So it does he like there's like. Oh, there is a little bit of a contradiction in here which is On the one hand, these republicans are being very punitive, their proposals now across the country to say oh because of this, retorted reaches a math. We're gonna want to pull back on unemployed, insurance to force, people back into labour force and and the evidence is showing that actually, that's, not the big driver at the same time. Presumably as democrats

like the idea that we are putting pressure on wages to drive wages up that we are creating power in the hands of individuals who because they have some kind of a backs up some kind of event, that means more negotiating power. They more ability to drive of wages. We want to see wages go up. So how do you reconcile that contradiction? If it is a contradiction, we are not seeing a labour shortage across the entire continent. We seeing some people in the least and hospitality, sector and kind of those types of jobs that are at the lowest paid jobs. The highest in terms of abuse at the workplace. exploitation wage that we are seeing people re evaluate their choices in that field and employment, insurance has given workers the moment to breathe, to say wait! A second. Do I wanna keep working this job, and so unemployment insurance is causing this labour shortage. We are seeing people come back to work regarding

of what their receiving on unemployment insurance people understand that unemployment insurance is always meant to be temporary and it is temporary, but unemployment assurances Give them a chance to not be so desperate to meet their necks. Rent aiming to put food on the table tomorrow, night not have their electricity shut off, the other philip had taken gas have been go interview for a better job. One of the consequences of this, though, is that we I've seen a bunch of big companies announced that they are raising their wages and think there is anything wrong with Democrat saying great. That is a good thing that is happening because people have some ability to meet their basic needs. during this pandemic that these companies have to compete a bit harder to get people to come work for them and to make these jobs a little bit better. Make the schedules little bit more regular big by the pay a little bit higher, make the treatment a little bit better. It doesn't We should embrace that and say whenever we see one of these signs, it's bizarre. We can't find anybody the answer

and oh make people's benefits lass. It's like we need. That's pressure on these often very profitable. companies to raise their wages yeah. Absolutely it get back to the arguments of is unemployment insurance actually causing people turned down jobs, or is it just causing them to choose better jobs, and they are just looking at fields. People are leaving the restaurant industry, but their applying to jobs in other industries. insurance is giving them the opportunity to take a few weeks to take that extra time to go through the interview process somewhere else. You know there give them pieces. Looking at essen, that's it. You know that has been a moment where I've had where I felt like. I could. You know, as you said, breed where I could like have a little bit more say in what I do feel a little bit less pressure to take the first job that comes along and actually what was what I away from that is We have seen over the large last year. I have not yet

an argument for a more expensive government, but an argument for actually contrary paul, like a universal basic income to give people more power. You know, will get out of this debate over the labour shortage and we should argue against republicans using myths to get rid of people's benefit, But beyond that, like one of the kind of pro active steps that we could do to like build on what we ve seen. That kind of shows that build on the success of the rescue plan. It all ties back into who has more power. labour market debts to employers have all the power to set bad schedules. Give low pay sometimes actually still wages from their workers or to employees have power to say no work for that wage. I'm not gonna work unless you make this workplace safe from carbon, unless you make sure and runs vaccinated or events where your master, whatever so it's kind of its who gets to decide what is acceptable for each worker. Some of the things that due to tilt the scales just kind of not even towards workers, but just left

towards employers, unemployment, insurance reform, just just kind of making it closer to what it has been for the last year, but long term stable, we're not having to have congress renew the programmes. Every months. We have automatic stabilizers in there that just say when we are at this unemployment rate in this way, forest participation rate and these other factors the pay out are going to be x amount of dollars. Senators widen and bennett I have a dell forward right now that would setting those kind of federal standards. The idea there is that recessions are not predictable, but it is predictable that there will be recessions and rather than every time there is some sort of economic crisis. We have a giant rapid political debate over how much to help people in an amount, see that slows that down and prevents me from getting the help they need. For a time like we saw the beginning of a pandemic that we saw debate and delay, over the most recent rescue plan that there would be basically built into

the law triggers so at the economy fall below a certain point. If that unemployment rises to a certain point, all of a sudden unemployment benefits would extend the system. we recognise the fact that sometimes times are good, sometimes are bad and that we need to help people during those down without it being treated like a one off ad hoc situation. Every time I got it yet, none of us yet- and we actually already have programs like that. We have stood stamped alsace. Now we have met a cape, they take more people into the programme automatically as more people become impoverished. Unemployment insurance is an automatic stabilizer. It's just not effective enough. What is thy it doesnt offer. enough money- and I mean what you saw was in december when they just barely got the bell pass in time, and then it wasn't signed in time and then also again in march, when they just barely got the bill passed in time to extend these better unemployment insurance programmes. So some of the things that we can put in place are the race to ajax to raise

Wait fifty dollars an hour to eliminate tips bent on wages. It takes away. Some of the leverage of employers said the starboard offer how'd you increase the wages of workers. Young can increase their leverage with unions or by giving them more resources before they get to the table so that their last desperate or you can say benchmarks set a floor. That requires pay to be higher right, that you can do it when their paid you can. You can create and There's a number of things proceed you all of them, but I did only so many things we can do yeah now there s eyes and say we need protecting the right organised export products, which is as has already been passed by the house, has forty seven sponsors. in the Senate right now, there's radar, examiners you still haven't signed on yet to sponsor et, who are the three? Who are the three? I believe it's arbiter but I believe it to two areas: owner senators and warner from virginia, but even after that, it's such a sad I heard outside to pass were familiar with the hurdle. Passing that would very pro active

help workers organized it would have helped immensely in the in the amazon quest that we just saw that. I think everyone in the country was aware of whether the union's abbe for their members or through other rules. I do think also like predictability of ours is had before the pandemic, I'd predictability and ours. It was one of the kind of most important issues that doesn't get enough attention. I think that is still true will be more true, as we kind of look texture and restart going yet no out. Actually, I was I was gonna get around that that I'll just in time scheduling it's. Basically, you dont know if you where's are gonna change or if you're gonna get assigned a new shift. Just out of the blue they always be ready. It's like a doctor when you're on call except you're, always on call your kind of always working bitterly being paid for the time that becoming yet. Somehow we have to juggle like childcare responsibilities, everything else on top of We are seeing in this data the fact that women are leaving the workforce not because they want to see the workforce, but because of childcare for host region.

If you can get assigned a random shift, and you have to quickly ramble defined child care. You can lose that job if your boss is it nice, you know you can it really quickly and inputs people in a really bad position. There absolutely and president Biden actually does have a plan for the american families plant that something else we need to get past couldn't gotta protections for workers in terms of just kind of safety in general, as I think that by doesn't get talked about as much because we focus most aunt wages, but we need better enforcement from osha at the deal out. We need them to be diane actually like making sure employers are keeping things up the code and not exposing their their workers that injuries. It really does boil down to like ok, you want to call it a labour shortage. Well we're going worth we're, saying it's a wage and benefits shortage and safety safety safety way too many doubts and treatment, georgia,

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