You can do to make it transpired cash Missus, SAM Harris, ok, twenty twenty two sounds like a future as much For most of the science fiction, movies of our childhoods placed in a time. No later than this one? Was regional blade. Runner, like twenty seventeen, something like that anyway, this is the future where the people who lived to see this future and it is, and to stop

in some ways, certainly, but you start the new year with the world that you have, I wanna to reflect on a couple of pieces of feedback, I've gotten in various forms. It amounts to points on which many people said that I disappoint them is the topic of this podcast is on disappointing, went on AIDS. I dont consider these. Georgie opinions in most cases, but there's a discernible signal of grief amid the satisfied noises of the rest of you. So I just want to touch on this stuff, because it is interesting to figure out how to do this job. What to talk about who to talk to I'm not quite sure how to zero in on the problem here, the basic problem

see it is that we are living through what is at least in my lifetime, an unprecedented crisis of legitimacy across our instead you we're living in a society that has been poisoned by misinformation and disinformation. Perhaps I should look at this through the lens of the two topics which have been most provocative here, and that is all things related to Trump and the health of our democracy. I said I'm on record in this right after January. Sixth, we just pass that anniversary, and the other topic is, of course, the covert pandemic and vaccines and all the rest. And, of course, people's views on these topics tend to be highly correlated. So the disappointment takes the form of we used to be some one, who would have hard conversations and wood,

really never shy away from a hard conversation. He would debate more, let anything you would invite people who had attacked you onto your podcast and in several cases, have scarcely endurable hunters with him, what changed? What? Why did your faith in the power of conversation so completely erode? And that's a good question. I see the apparent contradiction here It's not really a contradiction, as there is just a recalibration with respect to specific topics at specific moments. In time I do have faith in the power of conversation. Otherwise I wouldn't be doing this, but the time chorus of resolving certain issues is in many cases much longer than we would like and there are certain moments in history that really will not benefit from

Erin quote both sides on any given debate, Especially when one of those size is either Firstly, a legitimate, or the probability of it being legitimate, is so low that it becomes irresponsible to have certain conversations at certain moments in history. So to take the two topics at hand your trump and covered. I consider it totally irresponsible to have gone down the rabbit hole of election fraud, both side ism around the twenty twenty. Election in the immediate aftermath of the election and in the ensuing months, when you could have bet the lives of your children, the Trump and his enablers were lying about everything in sight, trying to steal

everything that wasn't nailed down were all of their spurious claims were being rejected by courts in many cases by judges who trump himself had ample did to have gone down the rabbit hall of questioning the election as though there were two equivalent sides today, As though the Rudy Giuliani's at with world were serious and committed to anything like the truth for the health of our democracy to have platforms, any kind of conversation about that strikes me is totally irresponsible. We had a fire raging in our society and our democracy was clearly in jeopardy. It was being actively put in jeopardy by Trump

and much of the Republican Party and to some significant degree that it's think that still the case. Of course, all of this culminated in the event of January sixth and whether you think January six was an actual emergency of sorts, or you think it was just live action role play by Guph balls or some kind of false flag operation right where you stand on that spectrum of sanity and matters will determine how you hear everything. I'm saying. Given what I think is true, and had every reason to think was true back then. Yet there were certain kinds of conversations I wasn't going to have, and so it is with cold, we ve been living in the midst of a public health emergency, a varying degrees for nearly two years

in that case crashing down on us in the midst of an information emergency and the collapse of public trust emergency. there have been living with longer than that. So certain kinds Conversations strike me as irresponsible in this context, the whole universe of anti backs what about them strikes me as irresponsible. Now it's not that there's nothing to debate there. This has been an evolving situation,

from day one right there. We things we didn't know in the first months of the pandemic, which we now have a very good handle it, it appropriate appropriate to recalibrate our response to this end, our beliefs, about what was reasonable to do so. There has been a lot to debate and I am the first to admit that the public health messaging and e posture of many of our institutions has Earned all of the mistrust that they have received may just been awful, and there is a lot to debate me you, whether its mass gain or a school closure is locked downs or v. seen. Mandates and the emphasis on vaccines are treatments and we talk about natural immunity versus vaccines and boosters for kids, verses, boosters

for people my age amid the lab leak hypothesis. This, but a lot to talk about that is worth talking about. in a way that is rational and opened argument and not captured by insane political trends The general trend has been mainstream institutions getting captured by far left political ideology to a degree that is still denied by many mainstream figures, but that capture has produced this kind of death spiral of public trust in these institutions disproportionately on the right. So none of that has helped- and you heard me talk about all that ad nauseam on previous punkahs, but there is a lot that could and should be debated here in good faith.

about covert and our public policies. But not everything here is debatable and not every question can be raised in good faith. And more important, not everything can be debated responsibly in middle of a pandemic right where you have found of people dying every day and in many cases now, certainly since June of last year. Time quite unnecessarily, I don't know what the current tally is there. Anyone who might be skeptical of this claim would be tempted to believe I've seen figures as high as two hundred and but at minimum, given the difference that we know vaccines make. There are tens of thousands of people who did not need to die who did die because they didn't

vaccination. So the remedy for this stand off of sorts has not been for me to invite someone, my bread, Weinstein's onto my podcast, to debate these issues. I dont actually see that, as the right thing to do at this moment is not to say that there can be a post mortem done on this at some point, But there are certain things that simply were never in doubt and only became clearer as time has moved on again to take both topics What was never in doubt about Trump and the election and twenty twenty and the run up to January six and the aftermath you wanna, disregard all the hyperbole that you might find in the mainstream media about all that

all of the top spin that you might condemn someone like Rachel Motto for all. The errors made on MSNBC and elsewhere and were never corrected right, forget about all that their that there's. something that was never debatable, because it all unfolded in plain sight. What was never debatable was that we had a sitting president, whose Please would not commit to a peaceful transfer of power in the event that he lost deal That alone was so shocking, so unprecedented, so corrosive to. tax. That's all you need to know that we were facing an absolute emergency. If you can't follow that part of the poor. I don't know a conversation theirs to have on this topic. We had a sitting president hook

claimed to have won the election, one votes were still being counted and all four. They vote counting to stop. If you can't recognise how abysmal that situation is and how worthy of contempt trump was and is for behaving that way. There is nothing to talk about really free. My point of view, there is no extenuating circumstance. It makes sense of that and, of course, that behaviour was of a piece with everything he has done and we knew he would do May I do again railway that none of this was a surprise. Also surprising was that so many people tolerated it enables it and would soon became clear, was that Trump and his enablers were doing whatever they could to steal an election that they claimed had been

from them and, of course, this is a problem that now many people are worried about in twenty twenty four policy. There's an investigation of January sixth and there will be a lot of information forthcoming. But there is nothing that will be found that can change the character of what is already Current. The lying about the election has never stopped in trumpet stand. and we know it is line because it happened before the election. Tromp claim the election was illegitimate before did even occurred, but again everything for me is contained in his unwillingness to support the most basic principle of our democracy, which is the peaceful transfer of power, and we did not accomplish a peaceful transfer

our and so on that score, the events of January six really are the most shocking thing to have happened in over two hundred years in the United States and with respect to covered this has been a lot of debate, has been a lot of uncertainty, there's been overreactions and under reactions and bad policy, and. calculated lies and our institutions have, in certain cases been reduced to rubble right. But what has long been clear is that in a forced choice between catching covered having been vaccinated and catching her, but not haven't been vaccinated. Your outcome is better whatever your age cohort, if you ve been vaccinated now, of course, they stratification of risk by age has always been highly relevant. It becomes absolutely clear. The older you are so what could be a very strident

recommendation for a seven year old becomes or, like a coin toss in certain cases, for a five year old. Nevertheless, this has always been a will choice the moment the vaccines appeared and certainly the moment their use got to scale, and we had tens of millions of people who have been vaccinated, then the difference between these two cohorts vaccinated and non vaccinated became crystal clear right. You're likelihood of severe disease or death is reduced by a factor of ten or twenty, depending on your. age and other commodities within yourself. What about the risk of the vaccines Raymond? have long term data on these emigrant vaccines. We have long term data on what it's like to get covered, not having been vaccinated apart from the short term data,

of watching people die by the hundreds of thousands. Yes, the future is uncertain, but there is no good reason to be terrified of these vaccines and we have an anti backs cult working behind the scenes to amplify a very natural concern that people have they not do themselves or their kids? Any harm of commission take a healthy person. You stick a needle in their arm and you make them unhealthy. That's a catastrophe right that happen. Incredibly rarely its author vaccines in a no risk. Proposition is just that the risk is very small and the commission the risk of having a bad outcome with covered on vaccinated, especially if you're, an adult or you have some kind of co? Morbidity is is much worse. This has been clear

here now, for nearly a year take another medical intervention. Take stands in of the class of drugs that many many people take tens of millions of people taken the? U s alone, for high cholesterol, to mitigate the risk of heart disease and stroke. Now, I've tried to take stands several times. I have high cholesterol in any sane doctor who looks at my lips panel would say: hey should probably jump on stand well. I've tried this think three times and have gotten side effects each time. You know, and I think it's about five percent of people get the side effects that s some research that suggests that some of the side effects her no worse than the sign affects people get with placebos, but

I guess I think that is probably not just based on my expectation of side effects, because I've gotten side effects- I didn't even know about and since looked up and found them on the list. So any case, I believe the unacceptable side effects of stands for certain people are all too real and I am one of those people. Why have I not been tempted to join some group if such a group exists arguing standards are the crime of the century. Rather we got tens of millions of people take, in this unproven drug, which I know in my bones to be unhealthy I know that this can't be good for people and there's research that shows that whenever it is for five percent of people get these terrible side effects. What the hell going on here. Who can I get together with on social media to amplify these concerns? What

if you're a grown up, you realize that with any intervention there will be some percentage of people who have a bad reaction to it. For reasons that are complex and then If any one individual can be difficult or impossible to understand, but in the aggregate the risk can be assessed. So you know what kind of risk your running when you take a drug or jump out of an airplane decide to do any other thing that millions of people are doing alongside you. And we know that compete many other risks. We run vaccines and, the morning. Vaccines for covered are amazingly safe, especially given that, in this case you have a force choice.

are going to get covered and you can get it vaccinated run vaccine. So my point here is not to relegate this topic, but just to give you some color is too wide can't avail myself of the remedy that many of you think is available to me, which is just to invite people onto this podcast to debate these issues, You know in the election front, why not invite someone onto the podcast when I talk to Steve Bannon right would not be the responsible thing to do

What do I do when Ban and says what about the seventeen hundred ballots in Maricopa County that were found on a pallet in a parking lot? What about the seven Paul workers who resigned in protest? I just made that up and he could just make that up and that's the kind of claim they can't possibly be run down in real time or in any acceptable time. If one wants to have a life. All of that is obviously bullshit. Cried the general picture of the entire effort to establish man. Civil action fraud that stole the election for Biden. All of it was obviously bullshit. There is no reason to speak a steep Bannon about any of that. All of this was thrown out of courts. All of it was resisted by the few reports

lookin governors and election officials that had spines right and if it hadn't, been resisted by them, and if my pants had caved in to all the pressure, he was getting to reject the balance that- from these states. We would have found ourselves in a destabilizing constitutional crisis, rice or the fear is next time. Those few crucial people aren't gonna be in place to do the right thing, but this is not the kind of conversation that can be had. You can't debate spurious facts in that way and what you then risk doing is giving people sense that this is just really confusing hello. Steve sound like he had a lot of data

SAM wouldn't interact with how many ballots were on that pilot in the parking lot, and so it is on the topic of covert and vaccines. The general shape of the thing is easy to discern again, I'm not discounting that. There's a lot of debate. I see the problem with safety ism and the endless commitment to mass gain and all the rest right. We have to figure out how to live with

This virus that has now endemic, but part of what has made that so difficult is that we have an anti backs called addled by rampant misinformation. That represents a third or so of our society, and we all. This is just to say that I found myself in a difficult position here, because having the conversation on the podcast has not seemed like a viable remedy. In fact, having the conversation in private has proven to be any kind of remedy in the cases where of attempted it. So there really is no reason to believe that, once the microphones get switched on, things are gonna get in better. So to those of you who are disappointed that I haven't had those conversations here, I just. I'm just giving you a window onto my thinking here. I've thought about it and I thought better of it on those two topics and

this relates to another social issue, where I've express an opinion that is upset some of you and that's on they d platform. In of specific people on social media, when Trump got banned from twitter, I celebrated in fact have been asking Jack publicly and privately four months, if not years, to kick him off the platform, and the same is true Alex Jones. Some people think there's a there's hypocrisy there on my side and I'm all that free speech. But when it comes to Trumpet Alex Jones, I want to silence them. You not understanding the situation we first of all. This is about free speech. This is about the right of a private platform to decide what voices they want to give him megaphone too. If freedom is your concern, where is your concern.

for the private company that doesn't want to have the most odious liars to ever draw breath. Take up all the oxygen on their platform if you gonna nationalized twitter and turn it into an actual publics, Where will then ok but dont mere libertarian. If you want that to happen, these are clear cut cases for me. Whenever terms of service twitter has and had it was absolutely clear, the Trump had violated them long before? He was kicked off the platform talking about somebody, who's, making credible threat of nuclear war, doesn't violate your terms of service. In the case of Alex Jones,

you had somebody who was claiming that the sandy hook, parents who had had their six year old, kids, butchered by a madman, were in fact crisis actors faking this atrocity so they could advance the gun, control agenda of the left and Jones unleashed his lunatic audience on these families. Minero sandy hook, parents who are still in hiding their families that have moved ten times since that tragedy in two thousand twelve all be of Jones and the insane people who have been taken in by his? What is it They don't know mental illness or performance, art rain, everytime, Trump tweeted against a private citizen. He was cautiously ruining.

This person's life, knowing what would happen knowing they, get docked knowing that they would get endless death threats telling me that a private company like twitter needs to enable this behaviour day after day after day and that their violating the principle of free speech, one declining to enable it a day longer granted there's a lot of debate around the power of big tech, but the idea that someone like Alex Jones has to be planned. formed anywhere, makes no sense, and there is certainly no reason to invite him on upon cast. But I would be the first to admit that this is it

very confusing time and a confusing situation because, as I said, are distrust of mainstream institutions is totally warranted now in specific cases, and this ranges everywhere from our top scientific journals, tore best newspapers to the girl payment, but that doesn't mean that the contrary, an opinion on any specific point,

is generally right because it isn't generally right eye, so we have to navigate this space of uncertain authority and the bad incentives that clearly to arrange our public conversation right. The fact that certain things get ratings or clicks those messages get amplified and, as you know, I've done a fair amount to protect myself from bad incentives on this podcast and if I'm alert anything it is to not getting captured by my audience right when, if ever I were to find myself not wanting to say something for fear of how the audience will respond, even though I think it's true and important, that's the thing I know I can't do. There is obviously a problem of

The UN's capture in the podcast in an alternative media space. This is true what one is getting support directly by subscription or donation and is also true of your running ads in several cases, the evidence of audience captures absolutely clear. Our people have done fifty episodes more or less in a row on the same topic as though They had lost interest in every other thing on earth. What's goin on there, there is some training signal coming from the audience, and almost certainly a bad economic incentive. That is capturing that podcast host. So I am not afraid to offend or disappoint my audience. I spent a fair amount of time criticising weakness social justice hysteria and one I've done that. I know I have offended

and alienated some significant percentage of left, leaning people in my audience, who just don't see the issue the way I do and, of course everything. I've said about Trump and the vaccine has and people on the right who loved everything. I said about weakness,. My only real commitment here is to say What is true, and useful. Is that intersection of true and useful and interesting slash, important? That's what I care about and there's definite tradeoff would that last caviar are many things that are important that are not at all interesting part. It's then devoted to several of them, but that's what I'm attempting to do I have to assume that you're only listening, because you care about what I think is true and useful and interesting or import,

and if you don't care about that, will then you are in the wrong place, so perhaps had explains some of what I have done and not done over the last year or so, and if a sound, especially some or on these points is because I I think we really are living through a moment that is especially high stakes. You know it's not that I think covered itself is so bad. In fact, with all mccrone come in on, it seems like we're getting pretty lucky here, especially those of us who have been vaccinated and boosted, and this is not terrifying. What is terrifying his? How badly placed we seem to respond to challenges of this kind? We have civilization problems to solve this pandemic

I was, as I said, before, a dress rehearsal for something far worse. That is bound to come in whether its engineered deliberately or coughed up out of a bat we know that this pandemic was about as benign as it can get at this point. I really am not especially hopeful that we would naturally solve all the coordination problems and problems of trust that we fail to solve this time around in the face of something far more deadly makes possible that if he made the pandemic ten times were thirty times worse will. Then

the whole anti backs. Delusion would be blown away on the first day, that's possible, certainly to be hoped for, but at this point I think you'd have people Alex Jones in it right over the brink. He would be all conspiracy thinking all the time as the bodies piled up on the sidewalk. I think that's quite possible and we have to do something about that in advance is not a problem we can solve in the middle of an emergency, so Michael is really not so much about covered, but about our society, and this is where the pandemic and our politics directly interact. So you might see the most recent issue of the Atlantic that had several articles in it went about what the Republican Party

it has been up to. Since the twenty twenty election Barton Gilman wrote an article titled trumps. Next coup has already begun and George Packer wrote one titled. Are we doomed question mark and take Barton's summary of his contribution there? He claimed quote the January. Six. Was the initial helstone, not the last in the growth of the first violent mass movement in american politics in the nineteen twenties end quote. His second point was the quote: Republicans have made up their minds to steal the twenty twenty or presidential election and are well on their way to manufacturing the means there is a clear and present danger that the law

the leader of the next election will be certified President elect with all the chaos and bloodshed. That portend end quote now these, if you're not in the weeds on this topic, these can sound like fairly paranoid claims but I'm just ask yourself what would have happened last time round if MIKE Pence head Gone along with the demands placed upon him that he throw out the votes for Biden from all the can.

Tested states. We know we have a problem on our hands here and, if we don't fix, are electoral machinery in the meantime, twenty twenty four could be far worse. Twenty twenty anyway, I'm interested to get to the bottom of this. So this one I think I'm gonna do upon cast with Gilman and George Packer, and the current plan is to bring on David from and an apple them, both of whom are also Atlantic writers, with the goal of fully presenting the case here that there is something we need to do well in advance of twenty twenty four to make sure that

we don't have a slow moving coup on our hands again, if you're out therein, Pont podcast Stan thinking that there was no there there that the Mulder report found nothing that the Russia Gate Hoax was a hoax pure and simple. The trumpets just a crass business man, but no more of a threat to our democracy than in other politician or that's where you are. I don't know how you been listening to me in recent years, but none of what I've just said makes any sense to you back here on earth. It's pretty clear. we have barely weathered a conscious attack on our democracy and the attack is ongoing, and no. This is not to exculpate everything. Democrats and social justice maniacs have done in the meantime

I've been his critical of them as anyone, but when you're talking about the line and misinformation, they could truly destroy our democracy. There is an asymmetric risk coming from the right and from Trump himself. Now again, I make no apologies for this opinion, which I can well defend. The trump is the most dangerous called later on earth at this moment and has been for several years, and he should be viewed as such. Henry

bondage to in that way he utterly desecrated, the office of the presidency, and I think there is no respect due to him personally for having occupied that office anyway. That coming conversation, I think, will be a zoom call or done on some other video platform initially for subscribers to the podcast, and they will put the audio on the past. After that, I could be fun to do on video. What else here on a very different point, but also a note of disappointment I detected in some of you. I want to think out loud for a moment on the topic of an F tease, which I broached on Twitter a few weeks ago. Putting out a job listing for waken up. Waking up is looking for a head of web three development.

and when we find it here, I said on twitter attention all web three and F t maniacs, and then I went to this job posting waken up and the response was so next at best. Many of you said, especially not you to say, essentially responded as though I had just announced that I was eager to perpetrate some kind of more level marketing scam. On my audience, let me take a moment to clarify a few things, because this is actually, then I want to do and I want to recruit some great person to help me. Do it So this is my reiterating the job listing they can be found in that twitter thread. So, just to clarify for those of you have no what I'm talking about so enough tease wish her. All the rage at the moment are so called non. Fungible tokens and without the laboring, point. I am convinced that this is a new technology that has and will

some very interesting things. It has solved the problem of digital ownership and digital scarcity wishes to say you can have an asset that exists as a J Peg or in some other digital form. And you can really be the sole owner of it, even if copies of it proliferate online and you can layer onto that asset, all kinds of other properties that are interesting, whether they also exist in digital space or whether they have real world consequences right. So you can have it and if t, there is just a piece of work, but you can become your ticket to alive event or, unlike some other opportunity or property in the real world, sweating

That's very interesting, and I am not at all cynical about the future there, although it is impossible not to be cynical about somewhat, were seen in this space right. There is a kind of tulip mania to some of it. You ve got these collections of mediocre artwork where the cheapest instant now costs hundreds of thousands of dollars in principle, none of that new- I mean that's true of art in general, beauty or significance is often in the eye the holder and the facts and Bacon banana on the wall with duct tape and call it art that proceeds and, if tease but term, what limited floaty first, and if the idea we have here just to give you a sense of I'm thinking about it and again, my purpose here is to recruit somebody who really

he understands the space better than I do and understands the possibilities, but whose aligned with my values here, so it what's happening with these entities Currently, as you have people who are buying a board ape sore crypto punks, most famously, which are these stem cute little drawings and they are trading in them in many cases their holding them as their profile pictures rights. Are you if you, if you own a board, ape theirs worth two million dollars. Chances are using that as you're on social media. As your profile picture what's happening there. Well, people like these assets, they, like the board, ape they bought and they're, putting it up there. For that reason, presumably, but there also signalling that their rich enough to have spent two million dollars on a J peg. That is not dissimilar to thee.

One thousand nine hundred and ninety nine other J pegs in that collection. So it is and of social signalling of wealth and conspicuous consumption, that that are fundamentally new and on that, especially judgmental of that. but I'm interested in flip in this whole thing and in doing something truly good in the world So those of you heard my previous podcast with sand Bagman freed about affect voucher. Ism might remember my description of the given what we can pledge. This is the pledge well my castle and Toby ORD created where people

well to give a minimum of ten percent of their lifetime earnings to the most effective charities and is the pledge I took a couple years back, sandbag been freed, took it a few years before me and dumb about seven thousand people have taken so far on a given what we can website. What were proposing to do it. Waking up is to create our version of the pledge, and, we might add some other relevant wrinkle to it.

basically it'll be the same pledge and we want to create an f tease based on the daily heads that have become this ever present. Piece of art work within the app and give them out to perhaps ten thousand people who have taken that pledge and consider what this will make possible are so first here you know people have a nice piece of our work to use as their profile pic the same way that they're doing with these other entities. In fact, I'm already doing it on twitter myself, I have a daily head as my twitter avatar. So just imagine that's my enough t write signify that I have taken the waking up pledge? Imagine what happens once you have identified this community in this way,

you ve, given them away to identify themselves, it seems to me a very different kind of social signalling and status gets created here and is precisely the kind I would think we would want to incentivize. So We create these entities, we give them to the seven thousand. People have already taken the pledge over a given. What we can we give them. to a few thousand more who now take the pledge with us and them We go out into the world looking for people who want to celebrate these people along with us right, so we could go to American, express and say You got this black card for people who just spend a lot of money. That's what you're wrong boarding here, one create a card for the people have taken awaken a pledge and give them access to your airport.

Loungers and we can go to the NFL and say no one not reserve fifty seized the Superbowl for people who have taken the waking up pledge will give you Access to this very high leverage, very engaged community of people who have decided to do something quite good, and once you play this aim with us, and then you can imagine that the value of these entities might grow and there could be some secondary sales could even be many. The people have taken the pleasure not especially wealthy, more, but there may be people who have taken this pledge were making forty thousand hours a year and just giving ten percent of their money way. Every year of you're, making forty three dollars a year and all of a sudden, the end of tea that I gave you is worth four hundred thousand dollars you might want to sell that enough to write and then in the sale

something like eighty percent of that might go to you, but twenty percent would go back to charities. Tat we ve already identified as some of the most effective in reducing human suffering, an existential risk. It seems to me that there is a really interesting project. which again your hearing all the rough edges here, because were still thinking it through and I'm. I want hire someone to help us think it through and to help create a community here. That is fun an interesting and doing intrinsically good things, so, if you're, that sort of thing and if your living on the blockchain if you know way more about what's possible here and what's coming than I do. We really want to hear from you over awaken up again the link to the job, description and application pages in my twitter feed just a couple weeks back and if your corporation, who would like to participate in this again, why wouldn't you want a reserve?

Some seats in your football stadium for these sorts of people right we're talking about people who are who have decided to give a meal. of ten percent of their earnings every year to the most effective charities. It would be good for your brand to be incentivize in their behaviour in meeting these people. So if you are a company that wants to be involved This effort, please reach out to us. I guess, will create a dedicated email address for this, so let's call it pledge at waking up dot com.

Any ideas you might have a high, you could make this fun for people. We would love to hear about it s just the first idea in this space, but the kind of idea that this technology has suddenly made possible. Everything, I just said would make no sense without the blockchain and enough to use. It strikes me as a really promising and ethically fairly thrilling possibility and as one of the things that gets me excited about all the chaos that we see round us right, new things are being born moment by moment, and one of the purposes of what I'm doing here in the pot cast is to figure out what to do with all this.

Opportunity we have to make our world better anyway, I'm looking forward to the next year, with all of you over here, at making sense over there waking up and over there in a third place, with Ricky Gervais and absolutely mental and we've got a third season. We're going to release and has been a lot of thunder accord and somewhat belatedly. Here, wishing you all a happy and healthy new year, thanks for listening