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Episode 57: The Body Farm Solo Mini Morbid

2019-04-06 | 🔗
It's all Alaina today guys and she is giving you the dirty details about what happens when we die, how corpses are identified in various states of decomposition and what makes Dr. Bill Bass' Body Farm so unbelievably fascinating. Hope you like maggots, weirdos. Because...they are going to eat you someday.
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
this moment, overly broad you by your local state farm agent, who also brings relief with all your auto insurance needs, call stable. Major Colleen Higgins and Lafayette Hill today, He well knows I'm Alina and this is a solo, many morbid, many many many many many more bad, many morbid many morbid many more. Yes, you heard that right. I am by myself to ash, had prior engagement
that would not allow her any time to record. So we, instead of depriving listeners of the three episodes we promise this week, we decided that I should just put two more many episodes out myself and actual join us this coming week for her Cobain extravaganza, so you're stuck with me just Alina. So we can see how this goes for those of you who our banter and hate when we get off track. That won't be a problem in the supposition cause, I'm alone, so I can only Also far off of her topic so this is a mini episode, so I'm gonna shut off the patriarch. Our next episode. So hang tights again sorry. This is like a weird weak Kerr. Cobain is coming next week. We just want to do that one right. So, instead of depriving you have episodes this week, we just figured this was the best way to do it, because we promised content. We're gonna give com
so. This really not a whole lot of business that I want to get too on this many episode, because it's kind of weird to be, my myself saw just gonna jump into the story, So today I M going to be covering the body farm some of you may have gotten hint that I left on our instagram and our social media. I left them book by Doktor Bill Bass with forward by partition, Cornwall deaths acre its abode he's the founder creator, brain childs behind the first body farm, so he's pretty amazing, and he his book basically explains how this came to be, how he thought of this his career before his career during and after it's a really good red. It's actually one of my favorite books. I think I mentioned that when I mentioned that everybody should go, read it but definitely go find it deaths acre it's a grey.
Book, so I think what we're gonna do here is. I'm gonna give you just a little insight on what actually happens when you die, so you have an idea of why this is so important. This research, and a lot of people don't know exactly what happens when you die welt, we'll go over it kind of generally. I'm not gonna go into crazy detail. but we're gonna go over. You know what happens when you die. Maybe talk about how means can be identified. You know sex, gender age body type and then we're going, how about the body farm and I'm getting to know exactly what that is how it came to be any the obstacles that it has faced in its creation, which is as faced a few and basic, really what why we need it, so here we go, So what happened? When you die, I mean I mean I mean physically, like we have no idea what happened this. You know metaphysically earth. He figured that, but a lot happens physically and most of it, if not
that is gross grosses fuck like there isn't a point where you look great. It's all bad, but it's all pretty fascinating to Many farms allow scientists to study decay of the human body in a natural setting, as well as being able to set up different settings to watch. How a decomposing body changes when the environment around it changes? You know can be climate. It can just be the situation that the body was placed into. It can be a number of things and one of the most interesting things is the entomology of a decaying body, because entire insect populations can actually be. You know, come into creation because of the presence of a corpse or it can completely wiped out at home. insect population, just because of its presence and- and I mean to King Bodies- also affect vegetation-
surrounding. It affects the flora and fauna, because digestive enzymes are going to leak out of a dead body. Unfortunately, and that can actually kid no part of the ecosystem around it or it can make it flourish. So pretty interesting. Now, let's distant, let's talk about it right at the time of death. As soon as your heart stops, your body loses oxygen, which isn't no good, no Bueno! That means all your cells and tissues just stop getting that oxygen. In that's death that sell death, that's body, death, the first cells to dire brain cells- that's usually within three to seven minutes interest. Singly bone and skin cells can actually survive for several days after your body has died. So that's pretty creepy ankle now, after this blood begins draining from the capillaries,
and it will pool in the Louvre lower parts of your body. Thanks to gravity, this wonderful thing is called liver, mortis, I'm sure some of you may have heard of it may be King CSI, her in your own research basically liver mortis looks like a big red or purple splotches. There settle in various parts of the body. In always, settles in the lowest parts of the body with the rest of the body in a remaining pale or turning fun. Green blooey, color, so liver mortis will tell us where the body had where the body laid close to death. So it can tell you whether a body has been moved to post mortem and when it was moved, post mortem, which is really interesting, because just by looking at those things, if a body is laying on its face and there's big splotches of liver mortis all over its backside, you know that body was dumped. There afterwards
because that body was definitely laying on its back for a while. So woods, interesting about our bodies, is that we can give a lot away leg, murderers, sure murders are very cunning and can get away with a lot of stuff, but they can't trick medical examiner is when it comes to how or body, naturally decays, so everyone to also partly knows the term rigour mortis, that's probably the one that everybody's most familiar with rigour. Mortis is the strengthening of the joints and muscles. Basically, it sets in about three hours after death. and it's going to last about one hundred and twenty four days really depending on environmental factors and such you know, cold hot wet, not wet it. Since eight all kinda can have an effect on it. After rigour, mortis and again, rigour modest can be broken. We ve had to break rigour mortis during an autopsy before it's basically just a big crunch, and you have to really puts them elbow Greece into it, but he can be done
The next stage after that is Al Gore Mortis. That, basically, is just what happens when the body loses all its internal. He that's on the body becomes colds. That's gonna happen within twenty four hours, because everybody knows that bodies are called that doesn't happen right away. A lot of people think, I have a son, you, this ice cold corpse using a lot of movies. You silly go, no, the body is cold and it happened like four minutes ago now, within twenty four hours, you gonna get pretty cool so as all the cells are dying, something else is going on. bacteria within the body begins breaking them down. So enzymes in the pancreas are actually the craziest ones, because they ll actually cause the organ to digest itself like that's happened, inside your body. Has you die? The pancreas is just so metal. I can't even handle it. The microbes and the intestine also stop eating you up as well, and they will also start eating up the bacteria in the soil so
This is when you really start to look the part of dead. You know we ve all seen that before that, you're just kind of at the dress rehearsal. But now is when you really shine. This is when you start to look gruesome as hell, and you going to start to smell. You see. Gases like methane, and hydrogen sulfide are going to start to emit from you that Ass is going to cause your body to blow and I don't mean like blowed like I had six pieces, a pizza and a bag of chips blow. I mean like nasty there Tina, gas and new blow. Your eyes are gonna start to bulge out of their sockets and because of this gas and blood pressure and just delicious the symphony is the ology going on inside of you. Your tongue is going start to swell, and it's gonna start to protrude from your mouth, so honey, you're, gonna, look great.
Because you know what you do next, you turn colors, so that's fun. First, you going to be green, then you're going to be purple and then you're going to turn straight up black. So this is when after you, ve turned all these colours. This is when your lungs are going to start to explore, expel fluid through your mouth and nose as well. See you got you, you go and threw it at this point you really are I don't really know what else to say this just a lot going on at this point, because you're so delicious insects and animals and now started their started, a notice you all of a sudden, all these heads of turn and knowing who is this smack over here, because it's just a lot of delicious putrefying going on and noses come running, but they're going to come running and shifts they don't all just bombard. They don't want to overwhelm you with their affection, so they're going to come and shifts now the first type of in the
To arrive at a dead body is usually the below fly. I believe the fancy latin name is the caliph for a day or two called of bluff lie because we're simple. There attracted the body, fluids and gases which who isn't it I mean they're. Gonna lay eggs within two days after your death and it's going to go through the developmental stages of egg, larval stage, pre pupil and then pupil stage and then they're gonna be grown. Ass, butterflies. now when they look at what stage of development a blow fly is out on a dead body. This can help investigators, forensic anthropologists,
determine how long that corpse has been lying undetected. So again, it's not just you physically, that's helping investigators. You know tell your story, it's going to be here. You know really gross friends that show up after you die too they're going to help you. so that's nice, unbeknownst to flies different environmental conditions are going to affect how soon after death the butterflies arrived. So that can you know, put a little bit of that can put a little bit of a ranch in the wheel of trying to figure out how long you ve been there. They can also investigators and friends and anthropologists. They can all take environmental factors into account when they're looking at what stage there and so that their pay. good at that. This is also going to change how soon the maggots develop an Maggie are the larva that emerge from the blow flags. Everybody knows of maggots You may not know they're they're, like very efficient there very efficient and very thorough flesh eaters.
Which may not sound like you, know the best title to you, but they take a lot of pride in it. They do a good job and I appreciate people who are good at what they do so good job maggots, so they're gonna start on the outside of the body where, because that's where they're, gonna, hatch out of the eggs and they use mouths than have hooks on them. Yes, maggots have hooks on their mouth, which is kind of terrified and these those hooks to guarantee good. It's gonna get grocer guys, like hang on, hang on date, it's in the latest episode. So you know these hugs are going to scoop up the fluids that are losing. I would have you at this point and within about two days a day, maybe twenty four hours, the maggots, are gonna have entered the second stage of their larval lives. Then that's when that when they're gonna start burrowing into you,
actually read a couple of books where I you know a corpse kind of explodes or some puncture happens and maggots just kind of flow out from them. like gum balls- and I want to say I read that in another great book which I'm going to tell you guys to go, take a look at its called, never sucker dead man's hand, which is the greatest title for book ever Curious adventures of a CSI and its by Dana Coleman, that's a great book and tells her whole life as a CSI investigator, and she has some great stories which involve maggots so maggots all move around together. Their varies we shall now cities and well there eating the decaying flush they're going to spread enzymes that will actually help to turn the body into goo I don't really know how to explain it. There
turn you into go so so that's gonna happen and another fundamental fact. Bout maggots is where they breathe is actually at the other end of its body. So it's got a mouse on one end with hooks that are scooping, bothers me, flesh and then breathing out of its ass up. What that does is it allows it to continuously eat very efficiently, while also breathing. Is important and to be honest I'm kind of wondering why humans were built. That way. I know we have a nose and everything, but I have deviated September. I can't really breathe I well so when I'm eating not breathing efficiently and if I could just breathe out of my
ass. I think that would be great. I don't know- maybe I'm alone in this sitting in a room alone. So let me now would you want to be able to eat in simultaneously breeze? At the same time, possibly out of your ass, let me know either way that makes maggots various exactly how efficient you might be wondering. Are you may not be they start this whole thing, the first stage of large eyes about two millimetres long and by the time it goes through the third stage and pieces out of the body as a pre pupa, it's gonna be about ten times. initial size, so it doesn't lolly eating and they can They consume up to sixty percent of a huge, in body in under a week. These things are no joke, like we should have maggots like as seals, running companies because they get shot
done. So the next stage of insects that are gonna come to the party happens, as the body did case because of microbial fermentations. So now flush flies crazy, fancy, name, sarcoma five day com flush, fruit flies, though that's actually really hard to say. Flush flies, don't call them this prize. Is that not so the flush flies are now going to be attracted to this microbial fermentation, that's going on in the microbial ferment patient is basically what's going on in the guts and, like I said the maggots are leaving these enzymes that are gonna, be breaking things down. Turning the EU into that delicious coup, and this is what the flush flies are getting attracted to- is the sole gashes gooey process. That's going on. Who doesn't love that so after the flush flies come and they do their thing. Beetles are gonna, come because their interests,
in the DE composition of body fat. That's when they're, like hey girl, may start coming now. the main ones that we're gonna talk about, but there is also a couple of others. Issues that are gonna pop over after those main ones are done. Their referred to as New Crawford species, and there are also called carrion feeders, their flies and beetles basically, and they just eat dead, Flash there's a lot of different species that do eat dead flesh besides the flush flies in the blow flies.
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Next we have the Rove Beetles, which are called fancy name, staff, a Lindy and these Rome veto beetles are actually predatory on the carrion feeders. So the carrion feeders, like the lies in the Beatles that are eating the dead flesh, these Rove beetles are actually eating those insects, so this whole circle of life going on. Well, you lay they're dead. Now the later stages of decomposition, there's gonna, be The more beetles coming in these ones are called the german study. Dermot steady, I'm certain some bug expert. Let me now I'm killing these names and after these guys show up the
Story day may also come in these ones are eating the Dermot steady. So there's just all these layers of beetles that one beetle comes and blow fly comes or some kind of fly they come to eat you. The next set comes to eat those insects and then the next ones come to eat you, the next once complete those one socially, this pile up of carnivorous just delight happening on new, while you're dying or excuse me, while you're dead and decomposing no idea about all the fun that's happening outside of you now, like we said before, the environment, which a dead body is is put, is so going to have an effect on its decay. How fast it decomposes, how a decomposes whether it decomposes at all like bodies in water decompose at least twice as fast as those left just out in the open on land
opposition is slowest underground, so buried bodies, definitely decomposed slower, mostly ones that are left in clay or other, really solid earth. You know the kind of thing that like prevents any kind of error Occident from reaching the body Those ones are going to stay preserved longer, because a lot of bacteria requires oxygen to serve. I've. So if no areas coming into that body, there's no oxygen for that bacteria to thrive and start making enzymes digesting your org. and turning you indigo. Obviously, once we ve taken away all this fleshy loveliness and the body turns skeletal backing complicate things. Significantly, because the normal physical qualities that identifies someone have now been decayed away. But don't worry because friends again apologists are basically magic, wizards and they can determine somebody
age, sex, race and body type. Just by looking at a corpses bones, Now this normally when it comes to scan, little remains of children who are pre adolescent, it's pretty hard to identify the sex of that child's, because at appointed in your develop. Your skeletal development is not a lot of things that separate you too, from each other when it comes to his bones. Obviously The easy and most generalised way to detect the gender of an adult. Skeleton, however, is just to look at the size of the bones. Mills bones just tend to be large, in the places where muscle attachments in connections are made tend to also be larger and males as well. The huge difference between men and women skeletons are definitely there pelvic bones
dude you're going to see no obvious difference in size of the pelvic inlet, which is the space inside of the pelvic bone. If you're looking at it, it's kind of that little it's an inlet. It's exactly what it looks like that's going to be bigger on women and raise your hand if you why it aids in the birthing process. Obviously we're not going to use those inlets, but they are there in case. We want to do so. It comes to the bones sure there's this in ways that we can determine between men and women. Look at age and all that but skulls are what are very handy for determining sex and age, particularly when you look at a skull and profile, see, look from the side of a skull female skulls are going to have a rounded forehead me. Skulls are going to have a look surrounded and more sloppy forehead. It's gonna slope backwards added a kind of legal gentler angle.
Also the ridge along the browser. The brow ridge is going to be very prominent and males which you can see. You know just by looking at a male face, just look at the mail You got a male, maybe look at em, so that brow region. A mail is obviously going to be much more prominent than in its females and females at ten to be smoother. Obviously this is, can you know, did changed somewhat Inner in general, it's always gonna be smoother and females. It's always gonna, be more prominent. Males, This red, you will sometimes see referred to as the super or, no ridge, because it sets above the eyes which tend to be called the orbits the place where those eyes set now feel also tend to have in. This is a really interesting difference, because when you see a skull, it's very obvious when you know where to look for this females, do have rounder. I sockets with sharp edges into the in the upper corners. In male skulls have square orbits with really
blunt upper, I margins so When you look at two skulls amount of yellow you argon you'll notice it out. Maybe I'm interposed some skulls on the m. Instagram page, so you guys can kind of see how like, if you know what you're looking for you, can really tell the difference. Cuz sometimes goes all look alike, but when you know what you're looking for you like, I do shit that is of much rounder. I then El Skull. You know so and then, as the other stuff subtle. But you know you, minorities males, have a square jar line for the most part in the line, between the outer edge of John, the ear is vertical in females. Jaw is much more pointed at the edge of the just slopes. Towards the ear when, when looking at the young children things get a little wonky, but we're really
against apologists are really looking for whether or not teeth have come in and which ones have come in. That's gonna help them to determine a child skull. Obviously that's not going to do anything with older sky but it really does that's the thing that really looking for and children skulls cause. That's really, then the main mark now, when we're looking ads. Whether someone is an older, younger person, not necessarily privy that pre pew essence but we're living in an older person therein the ends of an older persons. Ribs are gonna, be more ragged at the end like with them where they meet the cartilage that connects them to the sternum, so the more ragged the ribs are the more older that bodies gonna, be it's just that just something that happens with age which is like when you really think about it. You like awesome, so my ribs just start shredding as I get older yeah pretty much. So that's how they're going to tell if you old,
no one's? We figure out. You know the sex, the age. You know all that good stuff, that's when they can look at measurements, and they can start to figure out somebody's tight weight and obviously it's going to be approximate because they just go enough about- here, but it's amazing how close they can really get, which I'm sure people now now there we talked about what happens when you die, what kind of floods friends come in feast on you. When you die how we can tell How old you are what you're birth sex is, and what do you know if you are a bodybuilder or really small. I think we should talk about the body farm now so the first body farm was which is officially known as the University of Tennessee Forensic Anthropology facility was open by Doktor, William Bass.
one thousand nine hundred and seventy one. According to that book, that I told you guys to go, run out and grab that's faker. A Tennessee prosecutor actually suggested that they name the body farm, the Bass Anthropology, research facility. Yes, that acronym is bar and for those those who work with death and dead bodies for our day jobs. That's a big hardy har har and also extraordinarily accurate, servile I've, a thousand if one little thing so Doktor Bass recognise the need for research into human de composition after police kept asking for his help, analyzing bodies in criminal cases, so Figured there's gotta be a way that we can research this to better aid investigators, because they're always call him he's always running out to these specific scenes, he's always trying to help them out. If he could, you do that
search on his own, he could already have the answers ready or he could at least have a place that would allow him to run experiments. So he could cause is just so many variables, Now it started as a pretty small area, the body farm it basically, only one body that they were working on me the eighty one dash one and it soon turned into a three agar complex that as the remains of about forty individuals at any one time. Inside of it, the facility became famous and gained its name after it inspired Patricia Cornwall. Ninety ninety five novel, the body farm, that's also a great book, and personally I love Patricia Cornwall- have all our books read of all totally recommend her if you're in too you know crime fiction, which I tend to be very picky when it comes to fiction books, the other
great thing with Patricia Cornwall. She does a lot of research for her books, obviously, which we will go into actually in a minute. She really puts herself in these positions. So all of her. The medical staff of the criminal stuff is all very, very true to life. She make sure she gets everything accurate, which I appreciate so where the bodies come from, that are all lane around the body. Firm might be asking or you might not be one doktor bass first started the body farm. He just used unclaimed bodies from the Medical examiners office, which I'm telling you guys you be surprised how many bodies go unclaimed, especially at the medical examiner offers at any one time. Sad, but true so they were. I mean they re using those ones because of your unclaimed, you might as well. You know: aid in scientific research, later people did start donating their bodies to facilities, and now that's how it is done when it first opened
it wasn't like everybody around this body firm was like well what a great place for scientific research, because If anybody has seen the world today, but not, everybody is immediately open to science, our scientific research and expressly when it has to do with decomposing bodies lagging behind fences just in the open. So in the book, deaths Acre bass does talk about one protests that happen really early on in the construction of the body. Far and this group that came to protests were called solutions to issues of concern and knocked of knock civilians. Yes, that is sick. For short, they picketed in front of the entrance to the body farm complete with a giant huge banner across the front entrance. Of the facility that red quote this makes us sick, I'm a nurse
because science but Doktor Bill Bass has like a great sense of humour that outrages mine, apparently because in his He said when he pulled up to this protest He said he had to leave chuckle at the cleverness of the phrase, because I mean you have to cover, give them a little credit for that. But I guess what happened to strike this protest in the first place was hat in this is kind of funny. This young guy was on a survey. now. This survey crew was actually in the process of taking half of bill. Basses land use thought he had for the body firm and they were turning it into a parking. but expansion. So this kid who was on the survey crude, took a lunch break one day and then sitting right next to some rotting corpses unintentionally, so he went home he bit Stu his mom, who and to be a member of sick and boom. So this low low batch causes a protest.
Luckily, all it took was the installation of a huge fence around the facility to please them now, so they were pretty easy to just we like here we go. You can't see anything everything fine. Now some citizens and Sand Marcos, Texas, where there is another body found facility, were not psyched either when they learned that text the State University was planning on having a body fire, the concerns that were raised were basically regarding smell what it was gonna look like and they were worried about like coyotes and other predecessor, predators, redistributing decaying body parts around town, which sounds like kind of a valid concern. So when the new site was proposed, the construction is actually halted before it even began, because they were worried mainly about buzzards, because people are thinking that the body farm was gonna, attract, buzzards and other birds of prey. Vulture All that good stuff, Texas State University, finally made everybody chill because they said the boy
Reform farm would be located within a three thousand acre property. would be at least a mile away from any properties that even come close to bordering the site and the ice, LISA and privacy was what satisfy everybody. So did I mean, as long as these facilities can convince people that they are not going to have to king body parts on their back long, and then I can smell it. I think people I generally okay, but another really common fear. That's associated with body farms. Is contaminants gin or disease, spreading, which I mean you can kind of get it's it's a valid fear. A lot of people just immediately think dead body. They think Dead body is just spread. Malaria all over the place, but you don't really have a lot to worry about here, either and I'll. Tell you why body, farms, donuts
any bodies the test positive for any infectious diseases. These bodies have to be lean, also anyone who is going to be working with the corpses in any way any proximity with these corpses Has to have around the vaccinations that will prevent them from catching hepatitis tetanus any of these pathogens, that people are commonly worried about what's woods, me, though, is that the bodies themselves actually kind of prevent this whole thing from even being a problem to begin with, because these bodies, as they purify during the Peach Africa
Jim process. Disease causing organisms are also decomposing in future, fighting which completely kills them their totally harmless. So the whole pewter vacation process and decomposing process actually eliminates the fear of disease being spread. But again it's a totally valid fear that I understand people who don't have a whole lot of. super like intricate knowledge of the d composition processes probably wouldn't know, so it makes sense what exciting now is that this started in Tennessee at a university really small, one guy doing it with this small research team and now their body farms all over, which is awesome because its necessary to have them all over, because not everyone has the same climate. Environmental conditions so besides, so there's no common set of standards or guidelines that they have to adhere to as a body farm,
Really this just security safety privacy. All those guidelines they do have to, but the facilities varying size lake, Western Carolina, universities, body farm, is fifty nine feet square and it's a really build to hold about six to ten bodies editor. which that still great facility, but the universe They have Tennessee the original one now holds about, like we said forty bodies and covers nearly three acres and in Texas, of course, as a bigger body farm, the body farm at the University of Texas Sand Marcos covers about five acres in it, we can't it depends on what kind of facility in land there have available to them and obviously, like we ve discussed, we really have to make sure that these body farms are sitting in the middle of a residential they hurry or anything. They have to be in place there
you can reasonably tell the citizens of that area that they're not going to be affected by it now, besides, just varying in size and varying in how many bodies they can hold at one time, facility also kind of has a different focus, so the tennis the original body farm, and it has a really broad range of research that they go into. They do it under all conditions, buried unvaried, submit urged in water out in the open in terms of cars inside of other parts of cars I mean they literally will run the game it. The body farm at Western CAT Carolina really likes to focus on de composition in their environment, so in the mountainous region of the Carolinas. So they like to focus on what happens in that atmosphere, Texas, his body farm,
really likes to focus on their regional climate as wealth. So they're really looking to see what happens in desert like climates, like forensic anthropologists, from states like New Mexico, Arizona all these kind of places they look to Texas to tell them what kind of research they have been able to compile about de composition and desert climates, unlike we said before the more body farmers across the nation, the better, because any given environment, really gives us more information about every kind of situation that you can find the decomposed corpse and which is important because we're not all decomposing in you know Tennessee Hooker within
like there's going to be people everywhere. But when you look at places like Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, there's going to be specific problems that are arising with people decomposing in those areas that aren't happening over in the you know the northeast. It's important to be able to have a set of data that we will spend. entire nations environmental conditions there. Ideally there actually really looking to have a body farm and each states which would be phenomenal, and I would like to raise my hand and volunteers tribute not to be a corpse in the body farm just yet, but I would love to get one for Massachusetts going so high pick me, I'm the one. So what happens when a body farm takes a corpse. Do they just toss? It hung out into the back. You gonna throw it car, throw it out in the back of it whatever how many acres they have
So when a facility gets a body, it's obviously refrigerated placed in refrigerator like in a morgue, the bodies than assigned in identifying number. Just like that very first one was eighty one dash one they all gonna number. They are then policed in very specific location in farm the location of each of these corpses is logged, it is mapped, they know exactly. Who is where those identifying numbers are very important for that. The research and students that work with these corpses and in these farms actually get a really good lesson on how to deal with it. You know chain of custody chain of evidence when, because they really have to make sure that they know who is where and what is going on and what condition go with each body, just like it's in in a criminal case, it's really important fur investigators to keep a chain of evidence. We ve talked about that on many
of our cases that not maintaining a chain of events in anything like this can be catastrophic, can totally changed the way that everything goes and in research it's even more imperative. I feel because it can change the research completely. So each of these bodies that they put in the farm logged located mapped all that good stuff. They are allowed to decompose for a varied amount of time in a variant amount of ways like we have talked about. That's when the students in recharge searchers get a lot of practice, locating remains collecting evidence from the scene- and moving. There remains from the area safely They are removed once they ve gone through their proper decomposing You know scenario that they are made, for they are and the remains are taken to the lab. Everything is
of analyzed there like further from what they do anything they couldn't analyzing the field, the analyzed in the lab, and when that is done, the corpse was, likely skeleton by now it might be returned to the family. for burial, but that's only if its requested. Sometimes it's not sometimes they don't really. They don't need. The remains back. They're happy to donate completely to science, and if that is the case, then the room they remains will stay with the departments collection of skeletons, because even years later, they can use. These remains to solve cases, so If they're, if you're donating science, you really you have a lasting legacy. In fact, at the University of Tennessee, it keeps saying it put the original body found it has. A collection of skeletal remains in its care Of more than seven hundred people, so seven hundred people completely dominated themselves to science in Tennessee,
pretty awesome. That gives me like so much hope for the future. see. You might be wondering the bodies that are laid out in the open. What happens to them in respect of you know, scavengers shore, they have long really tall fences, but what about birds and shit? that can skills stresses. I know I was where I was like what the hell did. You do that because I know sometimes that maybe they will have scenarios where they're looking to see what scavengers due to a body, but if they're not looking for that they're looking for a more clean way, they will cover. Some of the bodies would like wire cages if they're leaving them out in the open, and that stops- and calls from me no doing doing things through the body that wool kind of skew the natural decomposition process that they're looking for this actually takes care of the problem that the people in Texas or so worried about with, like buzzards in coyotes and stuff just taking body parts.
And scaling offence and running away with them. I mentioned earlier that Patricia Cornwall wrote the forward for debts acre and that she actually and that she actually used the term body farm for her novel, though body farm, which is agreed, novel so in the summer of ninety ninety three, when she beginning to write this novel. She contacted Doktor Bass to ask about the composition which, at this point, ninety ninety three, he was very used to this. Like I said, a lot of investigations were coming to him for help bird decomposition questions so Patricia. Cornwall came to him because, in I mentioned earlier, she likes to get things really right, so she came to him to ask about de com for because He had a decomposing corpse in her story. In her story she was having her killer move a body from a basement somewhere else,
and she needed to know what kind of changes to decamped this move my cause. So this actually was the thing that set doktor bass into researching more various types of situation when it came to death and composition because initially guy said they only had a few bodies in the original body farm and I think there mostly doing national natural de composition, they weren't throwing people into cars or anything like us or doing three situation or things. They were just kind of really looking at the natural dig up, but this kind of made him think and we, like ha, what would happen if a killer left a body in a basement on concrete and then moved it outside in any kind of got him rolling on these more traumatic death situations and how to look at them from an anthropological point of view
so in the fall of that same year, nineteen eighty three doktor best took her around the farm himself to show her in the flesh, so to speak, exactly how Decamp happened in the various stages that she was interested in putting in her book. So he took her there and said you can look right at it see this is the best persuaded ascribes into camp is to look at yourself, then He did an exact replication of the scene. She was looking to write for her book and gave her the research, so feminist literally set up the situation, props and all because I think she had the person like lying on a coin and had A key- and there are some really there was various things dispersal was ll hang upon. That was like evidence
and they actually put these things under this corpse and actually did the whole thing. So they could tell her exactly what it would look like and then they gave her the full research at the end in return. This is when she told him tat. She was naming the book, the body farm, he said quote, you could have knocked me over with a family. It's not just offers interested in doktor, basses creation and not even just local law enforcement agencies. The FBI has really started to become really interested in this, because the University of Tennessee, like I said before it, does reproductions of crime scenes and like crime scene scenarios. using bodies they are actually starting to do it with bodies designated specifically for FBI, training and research FBI teams
every now and then will perform excavations at the body farm just to leg sharpen there. You know their skills when it comes to corpse. I done fighting and bone identifying all these skills that they're gonna need if the EU has also raised the possibility of testing ground retreating radar at the facility and that would help them find very bodies that were buried under concrete, which is something that was just in the news actually in its interests. I know you guys knew about the more marry me no supreme slap in the face this week, where investigators. Fbi were all in that particular house and they were using ground penetrating radar to see if there was remains under the concrete. It ended up being nothing. Unfortunately, trust me. We have all grieved to that, because I really thought it
so be it, but it is interesting that was the technology that they were using the body. Farmers well, so just a really interesting way that the body farm has aided some pretty legendary crime scenes and deaths so I think everybody probably knows of the least a little bit about the death of the big bopper, the musician. He died in a plane crash with Richie Valentines and Buddy Holly the day the music died now In that scenario, the distance of Richardson's body from the plane, which is forty feet. And people wondering whether or not he had actually survived the plane crash in died like trying to go, get help which is horrific to think of. But Richardson son actually contacted Doktor Bass to try to figure this out for, like once and for all, Doktor Bass agreed to examine the body which had.
to be examined for something else anyways, so he said wilds already being zoomed. I will take a look at it. He took a look at the body now this forty eight years later and according to reports they said it was very well preserved and still very recognisable as the big popper he didn't. Tibet determine that there was absolutely no way that Richardson survived that crash Nearly every bone in his body was broken and they said what happened was. He was probably forty feet away from the plane, because his body had been literally launched from the plane I mean every bone in his body was broken, so there is a perfect example of Doktor Bill Bass and his body farm in the research that's done there I mean the eve solving and not a cold case, but solving a mystery that was part of one of the most legendary Korean, scenes of death that we all of us at least know something about an gave his
Emily a little per closure that they know now that he didn't survive the initial impacts and try to get away. He died on impact. So I think we have presented enough evidence that body farms are necessary, their amazing research opportunities and they ve honestly done nothing but positive things for the study of friends against their policy de composition and identifying bodies, but for them to exist they still need bodies and if you want to be one of them hey, you are absolutely welcome too. I mean like finnish living in the bag of flesh that you currently the habit. First and then you know go there, but if you want to donate your body after you pass on to a forensic anthropology reality. You basically just make arrangements with the body farm of your choice before you go what
Important too, as you should also let your family members and attorney all the important people know about your decision so that the body farm can be won, notified of your death and they can also You know, take your donation without many issues as long as you put it down there. This is what you want people around. You know that this is what you want. They won't have a problem. So with that, I think this about wraps, my quota unquote many sewed about body farms in the art of decomposition. look I'll hit. So I hope you guys enjoyed this. It was kind of we're just talk to myself, but it happens, I'm glad I could don't do this. Personally, I would love to visit a body farm. Do research and a body farm how I won't open the one in Massachusetts so wealthy, but yeah
post some photos and definitely go check out, deaths acre and anything that Doctor Bill Bass does because he really is a fascinating human feeling. And Patricia Cornwall and amazing author so definitely go check her out. If you have an already which share a lot of you already know about her but whole began, don't get a few want. You find us on social media. You can find us on Instagram at morbid podcast on twitter at a morbid podcast facebook morbid call in a true crime. Podcast indefinitely joined the group because a blast and then I love it and our patriarch is patriotic dot com, slash morbid podcast only if you feel so unkind, and or visit our website at morbid, podcast dot com. So we hope you, Israel, weird guys, reward Sabre myself. I hope you keep listening and I hope you keep away.
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