When we face challenges in life, we seek answers from people we believe can help us. When tragedy strikes an exclusive retreat with a self-help superstar, many people are left to wonder: how far is too far? James Arthur Ray was an Oprah-endorsed self-help teacher who achieved fame, fortune, and influence. But friends and family members of his followers questioned his unorthodox methods, and tried to stop him. From Wondery, the makers of “Dirty John,” “Dr. Death,” and “The Shrink Next Door,” comes a story about the dark side of enlightenment. Hosted by journalist Matt Stroud. Listen today at wondery.fm/morbid_guru
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and killing others all right. I'm about to play you a brief clip from the show, but while your listening be sure to subscribe to wonder is new many series guru the dark side of enlightenment on Apple podcast. It was March, two thousand nine and in a big chain hotel in New Jersey, a crowd milled around waiting once the doors open everyone headed for the same place. It was a large auditorium with a big stage in front. The event was called the harmonic wealth weekend, a rigorous to day seminar that promise to get participants on the fast track to personal and professional success. It wasn't the kind of thing Genie Brown was normally into, but her daughter Kirby had insisted that they go together ass. They walked in had to admit the atmosphere
was exciting and we had a walk through a gaunt, let's say Chile who would jumping up and down rubbing up here Jeanne men. I remain saying to one moment, then you, you, girls, really had your coffee this morning and she said to me: we don't drink coffee like that's poison, cable, I do my love it. As everyone took their seats, the lights dimmed Jane Arthur RE stepped onto the stage Ghana version of a speech he often gave. Let's talk about, watch changing right now in your world. You see, I firmly believe that you live in the most exciting time in our world history to time. Where so and spirituality are realising that their sister studies, Jane, was hand with a bright smile wearing a bright white shirt, pretty trim
Let us build fairly good, looking Can you go in the morning with my car fate may have in writing, total command of the audience. People laughed they nodded their heads like yeah. You know that higher energy kind of environment is just kind of fun. You you want to be that you want to belong. You dont, want to stand down and be kind of against. What's going on, because James RE was a star lava. Charges is like it drags like an you lock your attention upon that then another particle, which is in harmony with it, is attracted and others attracted another very bad. You ve gotta be saving onstage. He talked about reflecting on you self in your position in life, then he being
Nepal audience members onto the stage and ask them questions, and I like to have four to volunteers. To help me. I need a couple volunteers. Ok come on come on I'll, give him a hand giving up the first was impressed. I was fascinated by his ability to really read someone. You know he read. People really well but ass. She watched something began: they get her. There are a couple of times where he brought people up on the stage and had them reveal very deep personal troubling, in their life. Jenny is clinical social worker and I sat there. Thinking now is a train therapists. Those are the kinds of questions that I would ask if someone was sitting in my office, not in front of hundreds of people. I was both fascinated, an uncomfortable She turned to her daughter Kirby, who is mesmerized just said you know. That's, that's! That's really not such a great thing to do the curvy
focused on James Kirby was in her late thirties and had bounced around careers and relationships. She want more success, instability in her life. Jenny knew that Kirby had been doing her own soul, searching and James is teachings had already helped and she was gonna stay there to get the most the experience whether she believed everything or not, but neither of us ever thought he was dangerous later that year after attend another James RE event. With her father, Kirby Brown would go in her car and drive to sit down in Arizona for a fire day, intensive retreat with James called spiritual warrior for joy. His followers. It was the picnic Levant of their journey and curbing and her life savings. Nearly ten. Thousand dollars to be there. The retreat started on October. Fourth, two thousand nine
five days later. Jenny was at home in upstate, New York around eight a m: the door Bell rang and a fifteen. The troop become to the door and asked me if I know Kirby Brown in my first thought. Is, oh, my God machine some kind of trouble but it was more than trouble. Jenny would never see her daughter again subscribe to wonder, is new many series guru on Apple podcast, Spotify or binge all six episodes and listen ad free on the wonder, react if youve been diagnosed with cancer, you need a team of cancer experts by your side, Every step of the way working together, coordinating care, empty Anderson, Cancer Century Cooper, South Jersey
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