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I told them- how do you have a better time for an agnostic, Izzie Dust immune? I could come down a short years ago, every guy woman man and warm and look at that guy. I answer me only by such a bad man. What's gotten into you know what they gave me, but give me some more of it right now. I gave me, but I'll take some more of it right now that I know what you gave me one, I once more sorry Novi bills by you, junkie,

a gun. Joe Biden holds a pet landed in a parking, or do you just follow the mighty slavery and the girls is? How do you do you? Imagine if you lose your guy like this? This is not a time for galleys. Some estimates suggest four hundred thousand deaths between now and the time of the inauguration. I told Doktor John, or is it you're, right, look, see and listen to the professional pessimists. The light at the end of the tunnel is near family that, like isn't about time, you will see your pants for more years. Modrow on yours, ass was his name o what thou rainbow combination the fact is

I've done more bore the black community than any president since Abraham Lincoln, I say there is no medicine and we're gonna need it. This is me, is we. involving making flashbacks remember one Donald Trump held trip. Weekends, Louis to set it seats and Georgia by drumming up so much paranoia about the vote. First vote actually there's really hard to do. It rises. Accomplishment forgotten trouble. to do what he managed to Georgia republics. Seeds and make mention Mcconnell a minority later correct and with the mid term, around the corner, he's added again what quote if don't solve the presidential election fraud of twenty twenty Republicans will by voting in twenty two twenty four. It is the single most important thing for a public to do you

Oh really, that's a lot of people Looking at those those comments, as bizarre comments took it as it tell that the guy wasn't wasn't gonna run in twenty twenty four, you don't you don't go rounds. hey look back, the twenty in an figure you're all that out and create a conspiracy theory that helps me justify. My lost their or else. publicans aren't gonna win and twenty two and twenty four it's just kind of crazy talk. I think something: with scribe too much strategy, Donald Trump comments and he's not just blurting things out. That assuage is ego he wants. This is a real, action that will get into to another yet another judge the state of Georgia, throwing out a case that requested a look at the ballots again. Remember: the boats been counted three times three times in the state of Georgia, Joe Biden, one Ray the statement he put out yesterday was a temper tantrum in which he threatened again to hold

hold his voters from the twenty twenty two mid term elections and the twenty twenty four. presidential election. Unless something is done whatever that means about the twenty twenty election, as you said correctly meagre and Joe he did, same thing in Georgia and cost. Most Republicans will tell you many of them publicly, but all of them privately cost republic. in the United States Senate by his axe, down in Georgia the through those two seats to Democrats, while the last remaining major law suit over Georgia's election results has been dismissed. A superior court judge ruled against a group from supporters yesterday who sought to inspect Anti valets from Georgia's largest county, the disease and came one day after investigators told the court they were unable to find any counterfeit ballads and after three earlier The accounts and multiple investigations reached the same conclusion statement to his supporters from critic

As the ruling writing import quota fight, we could to fight continues. we will never give up rarely that was held in Georgia at the end of last month, Donald Trump actually railed against the current governor Brian Camp and again showing the what dead and in Twenty twenty, when he helped elect I'm a grass to do go where the Senate yeah. You know these doing now and he's How is appearing really to endorse, Stacy Abrams over here here, scrawl schools can actually read it. I want we do. This quote that he has see so good Brian cap who's running for re election, of course. What no rigged the election for Donald Trump. So too, actually said this do a crowd in Georgia. Recently quote.

Stacy Abrams. Who is still my conceited and that's ok, Stacy! Would you like to take his place, it's ok with me drop one, of course. Having are, I think, might be than having your existing governor. What's it doing, if you want to know what I think very well, better. So here we are again Willie, I've always said, though, that the Republicans were day trading in this guy was going to do more, to destroy the in the long term, than anybody else ever could on the democratic side. But if you Georgia, Republican say Donald Trump, Elect Ralph Warnock and John US off and now here you have of Stacy Abrams gotta be running against Brian Camp, a popular Georgia, republican government, but Donald Trump telling his base don't vote for Camp

vote First Stacy Abrams Georgia Republican. You gotta be Thinkin this guy is a cancer on our state GEO, P, Porty new. Would certainly think so I mean this is a guy who everything through the prism of his ego. So if that means Brine Camp didn't do and off they republican governor. As you say, popular republican governor he didn't do enough to help Donald Trump overthrow, the twenty twenty election and he's gotta go to it. If that means, Stacy Abrams democratic activists and National STAR becomes the governor date then so be it that will feel better to Donald Trump Elite Jordan is with us at least as you look at this Donald Trump, perhaps for a moment, some Republican drifted away from him after January six. But about a week later they all came back and now, if you watch their energy, every one of them to a man and a woman. Again, bending me, I'm going

for the ride on this idea that the election was somehow in valid that it still. be overturned that they're so questions around that they're going along for the ride on this, and they are going to go down with him if safe it has become so that's governor of Georgia. It will be because of Donald Trump. Well, that's what kills me because Donald Trump has absolutely no loyalty or allegiance to these republicans who want to benefit by hanging from his coat tell still, but he doesn't mind he has no compunction about just burning everything completely down and is openly rallying against Mitch Mcconnell and his goal of getting the Senate back. I don't understand why they didn't just kill it off once and for all when they had the chance, but they just want strong enough to do it the danger is red hot of the story and the street, the consciousness rhetoric, the diverges from France Mouth

his ego put in place in our policy in our political system is excess Donald Trump, he has managed to get the idea out there that the election of twenty twenty was rate, state after state, led by republican governance and republican legislatures, have now try to enforce going forward their own election laws with regard to twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four specifically in that, the danger that America the faces right now, because that infection is deep and wide and its put there by a former president of the United States, the most dangerous thing occurring democracy, its democracy out and play view through this evening are sometimes some people think it's amusing to listen to him and see him, but it is deeply deeply threatening and deeply deeply danger, jealousy lesson that Brad Rapids poorer the store just

her term. He says in very explicit terms that president from car, himself, the election the state of Georgia by saying don't vote absentee those are corrupt. He probably law because of that given the margin and that he costs too, applicants Senate seats there and the least said Republicans from that all the way down happy two hits their way: once again to Donald Trump on this right why you certainly did Republicans in well the steady Georgia Donald Trump Deadened, because He caught himself during the election that any closer to a Republicans. The candidates. Ron Johnson, I can't believe I'm saying they said stood This is what happened in Wisconsin when he didn't think anybody was watching him. Talk, worries at eight, listen and the state legislature, statewide candidates in the report, can party. You go

you go through it federal officials, they all get roughly the same number of votes, except for Donald Trump. He was the one exception and you get about fifty five sixty thousand less votes because they were people he offended that would not vote for him and that made all the different since we David Rhythmic, of course, he's editor. The new Yorker and we're gonna be talking to David in its second about the Beatles. Thank God a little afraid, that's gonna, be subjugated gateway to talk about one of the most exciting things I've seen as beetles ban in a very long time before we get there David, you know we rightly focused on all the dangers Donald Trump presents to disowning democracy. What he presents to the rule of law, what he went away away when he presents to the values that have made this country what it's been when you wouldn't look at a constitution and in that way we move forward. But if you're republican you

to be. Looking at this guy quietly in saying wait a second here and something, though other president has done since one terms and since Herbert, whose poor he lost his house he lost the Senate. He lost is the fear elections he lost is the presidency. He lost his Georgia when that took a lot of doing, but he managed to do it and now he's endorsing Stacy Abrams over Brian it's a giddy. It's it's beer for parties involved, but it is not a it's, not a bargain for Republicans, even politically no maybe not- maybe not but on the other hand, you, Sir, Charles curiously, very honestly, go in front of him. As I said, last night, you know some vast majority of the Republican Party supports Donald Trump and, would be a fool would be a fool not to stand right next to him therefore saying right in front of the trunk and the audience, the the ball truth

I would be defeated without him and looked so. I think two things one Donald Trump, his poison, this country. In many ways you poison the information sphere, he's he's poisoned the court he's done it terrible damage, even if he is exposed the Republican Party to losses in selected areas at the same time is also expose the country and suddenly raised his exposed. Aspects of our history and racism that are very He fell to witness and he's exposed the fragility of democracy in ways. We could not have imagined you, and I and everybody on the panel rob the sense in one way or another You are not of a kind of american exceptions and meaning that this could never happen. Here. I lived in Moscow for four years Congress and I would look round. I see how could they possibly believe this happened they have acceded to this system have participated in the system

now we know We are as human beings collectively, in the face of an effective tyrant, no matter how comical seeming, weak and x almost and unless we find it and do our jobs in each in our own way, whether its journalists were citizens or or voters Weir's. in a very exposed historical moment, you may say, he's seventy years, all Mercedes, fool, but the exposure Donald Trump poison into authoritarianism. My temptation has gotten cheaper, not not I am very very concerned, and- and that really is what's been been the most shattering- as far as our self image that, you're right we all grew up. I certainly grew up with the belief of american exceptionalism what happened in other countries the tilt toward her.

solitary. Some could never happen here. It was it possible and yet done tromp has shown us that it is quite possible, and yet he believed it was. It was just a tenant of faith in this country and millions of people's faith in this country that the Ark civilization, always does bend toward justice, and we can draw the line from the fifty through the sixties, through two thousand eight and beyond thinking that it just inevitable, and what we ve learned, for the past five years is there is nothing inevitable which direction the arc of civilization goes and Donald Trump his bed at the other way cases point January sex. The House Select Committee investigate the January sixth attack on the capital is ramping up after two force former trumpet trained officials to cooperate with its pro.

subpoena, has been issued to Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who supported the former presidents, push overturned the twenty twenty election results. The committee is seeking records and sworn testimony from Clark by October, twenty nine on efforts inside the pre. the US administration to delay the certification of, when twenty election and A fine misinformation about them action results. We are also, learning that former acting attorney General Jeffrey rosin was interviewed by in person by that committee yesterday. That news was first reported by Well, I mean meanwhile, in a letter from his attorney to the committee former White House, senior adviser, Steve Ban and announced his intention not to appear today citing former president trumps the of executive privilege, three other Trump administration officials, former chief of staff, Mark meadows, former deputy chief of staff,

in Slovenia and former Defence Department of it. Cash Patel, also scheduled for depositions today and tomorrow they have not yet indicates whether they will comply. Members of the select committee say they are prepared to pursue criminal charges against witnesses. We do not appear for their subpoenaed deposition testimony this week, and we learned yesterday, the Biden Whitehouse has formally rejected former press. Trumps assertion of executive privilege over documents requested by the Select committee, and they will have access to them so at least It had members of a select committee on the show, the last two days, both of whom have said. Okay, if you don't, These are subpoenas we'll just refer you for criminal prosecution, that media a jail. It means you go to jail, scorn,

take a long time now, that's what's unfortunate. They can't just boom boom boom, make it happen and force people into compliance. So we can get the truth, get to the bottom of what actually happened on January six. That's why I still maintain. It was a big mistake for the second impeachment do not have that testimony right after the heart, nowhere is sex and just to get it out there. By going forward, We wonder what they could do to toughen this out. I believe it sergeant and arms, if ordered, could call these people in the contempt and bring an ordered them to come to the capital, not sure exactly how work that something for legal scholars who are way above my pay great, but I think they should use every tool in their arsenal and attack this as harshly as Republicans would do if they were in a similar position. We were absolutely correct. They have the power, the tired of the members of the committee coming on you, they mean well. I know that they talk and talk and talk

and there's no action and they'll be no action on this. Until we see someone like Steve Bannon in handcuffs brought to the cap, and forced to testify under rose period. I think I mean this not the time to be weak. It's just not. At some point. The line be drawn as to what is right and wrong in this country, and I would not be weak about it if that's an option that could happen. Let it be right, you let it have you either the Sudan communities are enforceable. Are there not enforceable and a third forcible enforced? down subpoenas surrender, a country at this point by the the binding administrations requirement that companies ensure workers are vaccinated or tested regularly for cover. could be finalized as early as next week, according to a person, over the process. It is pending final Whitehouse review. The proposed rules should apply to bid

This is with one hundred or more employees and up to eighty million Americans altogether, let's bring and we see news correspondent, Heidi propeller, with this and how the backlash that is expected is gonna play out. Heidi yeah make it expecting this, certainly within a week, possibly within days. So what's he gonna? Look like it's not going to be a vaccine mandate is just going to be a mandate that says employers. You need to make your workplace safe from coal. There's a number of ways you can do that their assuming that the most employers will and choose the vaccine. Mandates a lot of questions meagre, including Specifically. Are they going to enforce this? How do they comply who's? Gonna pay for the tests? I am told that the government will not be for the task. There's a lot of companies that say they can't a vaccine mandate, because the backlash there's just going to be too strong, now most place

This is not going to be a problem Mika. We ve already had about thirty five hundred organizations do vaccine mandate. It's been a huge success. Vaccination rates have gone up by about twenty percent. The problem, then, is going to be in places like the Deep South You see governors already bucking this trying to overrule the mandate. general saying that they're going to who, in this also comes Mika as OSHA. the organisation that is going to be tasked with enforcing this is down about one third of its inspectors? According to internal documents that we obtained, so the boy like most likely is going to be that OSHA, we'll have to prioritize both based, on industries that they know have low vat rates as well as region They know they have last low backs rates owing to rely on whistle blowers within companies, for instance, can file complaints with OSHA, but all of this meagre still very much tbd. How it's going to play out in parts of the kind

where vaccine hesitancy is still just such a major problem so how do you? Let me ask? Why aren't there vaccine mandate you look at what happened at United, it's been United Airlines and spit extraordinarily successful. Why why night require accede mandates if you actually we get rid of covet. Well, it's very question and out of here, that most companies are moving in, that direction, certainly large companies that dont want to take their financial hit from having people essentially a potential disability from long coat are just a short brief case of covert, however, it does feel like as a political issue, Joe, I talked with the CEO of Colombia sports wherever and since they have branches and ninety different countries- and he said it's really quite amazing- that the only country where I have this problem. So where does that leave it brings us back to the politics of it. I spoke with a ceo in Mississippi, firm machine parts company and he said

it's not like. I haven't tried guys, you know I've, given them, incentives have given them the day off to go, get vaccinated, but I'm only about thirty percent out here? I don't know what I'm gonna do about this testing regimen now because I'm afraid, with the labour which is the way that they are right. Now that I will lose employees the question: are there going to be enough companies with less than one hundred employees for these people to all just pull up stakes and look for new jobs that's what we're finding also in the data is that the people who are threatening to quit are not following through on it run, that's what they donors and I'd NBC Cyprus Bela. Thank you so much born we grey appreciated David written a guy I wonder if the bite administration at times just hasn't been aggressive enough, because they are afraid of the thirty two thirty five forty percent can spare there s the people that are gonna be screaming the loudest irresponsible governors.

Talk. Radio housed you, have united, whose daughter vaccine mandate it's been a great success. It says it's been a success in the United States military. The studies that have been out thus far have shown people threatened to quit was none of them end up quitting at the end, so they could perhaps Joe Biden problems with Cove it, especially the bolts, be that he is pushing it too hard, but then he's just not pushing or enough it's hard to where to calibrate. I take your point and it should give twice as much speeches about it, but with that penetrate I mean, his predecessor, the President of the United States, with the biggest megaphone. The biggest platform at anybody on the globe poison to well about this and left behind millions of people who became suspicious of science at the vaccine, and that was indulged, and you know I found it very interesting the situation I would fat and there's a beauty

full player on the Brooklyn s name, courier. Is the most creative exquisite unpredictable player watch. It's it's! It's incredibly entertaining He is not going to be allowed to practice or play until he comes on, which is a big bloated, that team to that workplace as it were, and I the team and the league acted in an exemplary way? I know it's not exactly the same in the hardware store room or any other workplace, but the something where you are putting other people in harm's way. You pudding their people in harm's way, and we of people who have gotten breakthrough cases. The vast majority of the time when these people are vaccinated and then get a covered which happens once in a while there, okay, They had the flu for a couple days and they're, ok, they're exceptions, but vaccines work,

and that message has been distorted and poisoned by not by Joe Biden but by Trump, his followers in the media, his followers on Facebook and and and Facebook has done so little to to eradicate it. That's the problem, how'd you widened penetrates that is very difficult, make twice as many speeches. I dont know that that does the trick. Unfortunately, I don't think it's fear. I just think it's be the right mouthpiece to to get through the people that your top whip, we'll talk, more that still, I had on morning, Joe what STAR Trek actor William Shatner is saying about his historic trip to space plus rush President Vladimir Putin says he sees potential to work with the United States on a host of vision, is it a sign that relations between the? U S and Russia are thawing alive to Moscow. Also ahead,

Embassies Andrea Mitchell speaks with three Americans who have suffered. From the mysterious illness, known as Havana Syndrome she joins us with that exclusive reporting and yesterday it was ass for Today there is new guidance about it, salt should be in your fear. Among them, like this place, so we're Talkin, Beetles David RAM, next profile of Paul Macartney and some never before seen, restored footage of the

legendary group from an incredible new documentary. That's coming out this month. You are sorry, it is breath. Take we'll be right back essentially mean ask a simple question: exactly one might ask what matters to them and why let us be clear: it is about fraud, work, angle, Sir Knight MSNBC, with special coming question afford and specifically, are you going taught me three or process care about Would you fund, if not now, when and if not us repress, then, who?

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really very slow, and only in small areas. Back in June, when I interviewed President Putin and then present bridges sat down with President Biden, I said that that it will take time to assess the impact of that by lot. I think we are beginning to see that now with the and the secular State Pretoria Newland visit. Moscow this week sitting down with the deputy foreign Minister here, Sergei, we have carve look those meetings. I think focused very narrowly on cyber on control, I think that you think you know really that we haven't seen reports of russian hacking since that summit with President Biden in the way we did before that summit, So both sides are suggesting that there is a signs of storing from the very deep freeze in the relationship between Russia and the United States, sign that

It was a very big for each deep freeze, Victoria Newton removed from a list of sanctions officials just about to come here to Russia. They don't appear to have been able to resolve just a simple question of staffing of embassies And, at the same time, this week there is also a stand off between Russia and Europe over Energy with Europe facing Gee crises and Russia are frankly leveraging that opportunity to demonstrate that they are an energy superpower. President, Putin in a panel today with my colleague, had to gamble from seeing a b c moderating describing is utter nonsense. Allegations that Russia is trying to use its energy position is a geopolitical weapon but

do you have that picture of Russia flexing its muscles at the same time, rush in Moscow at Washington kind of coming to some agreements and small areas characterised our luck that David redneck with us long time, Moscow correspond the Washington Post, author of Lenin's tomb and he's got a question for you, David sure, I'd, love to know something about how the United States is portrayed in abided administrations in being portrayed in the press. You know Dmitri morality and no vague as yet the one they know a prize for press freedom, that's a tiny, tiny paper. It reaches a very small audience is, as you know, better than anyone, but really reach People is television which is uniformly state run state control, how is relationship now being portrayed post tromp during the bystanders work.

That they made at Victoria Newton was lambasted in in the russian state media. Here this week during visits, I mean there is history between Russia is to say the least, but certainly the state media here s the kind of cheerleaders for the national stake? Putin, kind of way of running Russia and I think another point to make that I think is important. Is that I think Washington is half seeing that Russia, is viewing the wells in very kind of peace peace terms it frankly, I think, for Washington are one of the questions. Right now is whether they can kind of box in that the Russia issue,

there's no movement on Ukraine, for example, while they focus on China for the run, and what they always want is to be seen as a world player, so they want to be sidelined. That's the kind of geopolitics of it and Missus clear sermons, reporting for us from Moscow this morning care thanks so much as always, Joe I'm Thomas and for me the news is so much more than a headline. You didn't Forbes spires and it's still matters to cover. You have to begin with my new show is gonna. Do we'll take you to the front lines of stored ports actually happening with NBC News journalist on the ground from all over the world. We cover what you need to know and bring war newspeak to lie in prime time screaming, like its board, used playlist joined for top store, weak. Ninety, seven eastern on NBC News. Now, controversy sounds like tonight after teens posted, a racist video was a wealthy idyllic town force to confront

this is a much older were told, there's a part of the battle. School Board presented its planned, this small town, fight, ignited and national firestorm critical raced paisley report. This is South League Bessie NEWS, podcast all episodes available now, listen wherever you get your broadcasts. very well. Yesterday I saw something a teaser on Disney plus it's got a new original doc. You series on the Beatles coming out at the end of the month and its title: the Beatles get back and it's made entirely from never before seen restored footage of the band. I must say for watching it. It was sublime It was one of the most beautiful things. I've been a beetles, I mean Tell you freak for for forty forty five years.

It was one of the most exciting things. I've ever seen as a beetles fan- and it made me realize that the tens of that Since of the tens of thousands of ours that I spent list, to the Beatles. Studying how they recorded their songs, digging through the history of of everything. Looking the nuances and their lyrics. It was all time well spent here. Here's a here's than just released trailer of the failed taken while so all I can say is well yes beginning of a hard day's denied that cord the eggs. Lotion at the beginning of Beatlemania, and now I think we finally have the appropriate romantic ending of David Rhythmic about fifty years later. You of course, the new profile, Paul Mccartney let the record shown the current issue of New Yorkers out now it's an extraordinary straw

three piece and again I thought I'd read everything about Paul Macartney, the Beatles you There is some great new ground were actually at the screening watching this with Paul Mccartney and his family. In his home ass. It seems to me just looking at it Ipad here. Such enjoys occasion. just wondering for the family, and especially for Paul who had to sit through very grim grim version of this fifty years ago, with with the let it be What was the reaction in the room? Emotion, I mean imagine this he's sitting there he's watching. I think that he loved so dearly and he lost the group prematurely. He did not want them to break up as quickly as they did. We can talk about that

and he's watching the creative process at the height of his life. Fifty years ago, at the same time, seeing his wife as a young woman, who's gonna, die his best friend and collaborator John Lennon, who is subsequently murdered George Harrison, of course, was dark. Died is was looking at, his wife is with their Their daughter now is sitting next to that daughter has fifty years old and it was incredibly moving. It was an outdoor screening at his house on them with his wife Nessie lots of the good and the great you know Stevens and was there in fact, whose can be on the programme later What the film reveals yes, there are, you see the fissures. You see, you know George Harrison walks out for a few days. They started in very openly about breaking up and at the same time you inside the creative process at the Beatles they came into that session. In a rare way, usually they came into recording session in a very disciplined way. Therefore,

you're sixteen songs that they were record and choose the fourteen they needed and being bang booming report Where did those outcomes very quickly? especially the early once This one didn't have committee elms now you know, they're they're they're moments in your peace, where you two other rock superstars people like Billy job they can. Phil, Madison Square Garden. It will, and they will be the first to tell you that there are not poor Mccartney's peer. Paul Macartney has no peer. Would so beautiful, and this piece is you see currently with his peers. Only people that could ever understand what it was like, Paul Macartney, especially with jobs and let it be the first take of this everything was so ground and the thing that was missing lies did it really you didn't come through in that film was fit through good times. Are bad these guys we're

rather's. They were so may say we're the only to people in the world who knew what that, what the other going through that come out in this film Daddy does exactly right, and I think it's it's quite beautiful in what two brothers do they love each other. They also fight they had ups and downs after the Beatles broke up and gave an extended interview to rolling Stone, Deion Winner, in which she ventured about him most venomous ways and in real discuss and Paul answered back too, you know, within a kind in his own inimitable way, these different kind of voice- and I think this film- and a new two volume of collection of his lyrics called the lyrics nineteen fifty six to the present, and it is efforts to shape history little. That is very interesting to see a seventy nine year old man still very vital musically. But who knows that is greater,

contribution will be in the in the people's Europe trying to shape that history so that it doesn't look like first of all that it's his fault, which I think resented enormously and that that also even in their latter days, even their worst times immensely create it'll, Gilbert Insolvent, who, with a kind of the letter and macartney of their time when they broke, They descended into mediocrity thirteen descended into mediocrity, the Beatles never had a moment. They ended two astonishing Arabs. Let it be our women that of course, Abbe Road. right. There was no mediocrity. Now now mediocrity and they went on in and each of them produce some pretty remarkable works on their own as well. Interesting somebody may be sitting back going wait. A second Paul Macartney created superstar in the world. Probably man-

whose better now than anybody else I would he still be trying to shape his legacy? It? Seventy nine people, Don't realize that when the Beatles broke up, body piled on Paul everybody blamed Paul, Paul, always the guy who would write. Live and let die film songs which, by the way, an extraordinary song that he did with George Martin, but bit before, What are you going to do next play golf with with the press that the United States, and even even rock and Roll Hall of Fame took forever to let the guy you really should have been the second person in the rock and Roll Hall of fame right behind all this. He never weirdly enough among critics, Macartney never got the out sized respect from from the critics. That alone by all issues, because

many stinging, John. I just wanna. Try really quickly he's doing the rolling stones here and people may want under. Why is he still being the rolling sounds? The Beatles always resented? The fact if everything they did? The rolling stones did six months later, and yet it already called the rolling stones revolutionaries. It was the same way inside the bad, like John cool one. He was a article one when actually it was and Paul in George, more than one off in the corners at hey. What do you want to do archer, pepper way. What what I'm gonna do on the backside of Abbe wrote? He was the creative genius. He was the revolutionary and it's still a legacy. But some people dont quite grasp I dont. Really. I don't want to underestimate. John Lennon John Lennon with was an extraordinary songwriter and whether it was I I think Joe was then together Damn together. Now, of course, they started. Writing were separately as they live,

separately and worn on tour buses and hotel rooms together the where they were when they were very, very and I would like you to and not to be critical of. All I mean you know in the last forty years. The contemporary, like Bob Dylan, has a much richer catalogue of songs. Then then partly there are signs that I like I dont think you compared to the last forty years of somebody like dealing so what so. the contribution of the beetle. It's all imaginable today there was there was a kind of at that time and under that sort of thing it was good just what it was much more of a monoculture in the United States in the world in terms of pop music dinner is now now things are more nation, more people with to their own thing. Everybody- just about, was list two more or less the same thing for a brief period of time for chicken the Beatles.

And that is not my theme- is desirable, but that's what it was Ah now, obviously, your people like metal, they speed metal and this kind of matter that kind of hypocrisy that kind of pop worth worthier their obsessed with. Plastic rock or whatever it might be. This was a music. There was just emerging. Just emerging at a black r and d and and all the rest, the reason Paul is a little. You know insulting, I guess I'd say about the stones- is that the stones were blues ban surely out of muddy waters. Chuck burying the rest may be the first to say so. The Beatles Certainly were influence by that, but there also whence by showed children's by writers in heart and writers in Hammerstein and am very sophisticated predecessors that melted into what became their signature soundings and develop.

now. You know Willie, I love the Red Sox. We love the Yankees. I love the Beatles. You love. Stones. Some fine words in this Macartney D said David Regret in New York or about the rolling sounds. I respectfully would submit to Mr Macartney that if you're in Iraq and will ban, you are Definition of blues cover ban? That's what rock and roll is. It came out of the news there all singing the blues in. Form or another you know, when, in your conversation so fascinating and I loved by the way, this new role you have in our culture interviewing these icons he's music getting to the bottom of their stories. But you you would look back it surely given their legacy. Outsize legacy the Beatles and well earned how short their run together. Actually was you know they exploded? They landed, and you know the Ed Sullivan theory exploded like a bomb in american culture around the world and then, as you,

out sort of they fought and fought than they came back together and then went their separate ways. There run together. Actually wasn't that long half of their run together, we did we weren't really exposed to unless you are a hamburger or Liverpool and club. We really knew them from sixty three sixty four till their break up in sixty nine seventy in there and that's it. But that's what bans do that's what and still I mean You know the notion of a ban like the rolling stones being together, for you know decades in decades. that has been obviously deaths in the family and and changes. That's the freakish there you know, I love the stones to, but I think we can pretty safely say that there really most fertile songwriting period is many many years in the past, many men, here's the past and at this point they re their fun to see in concert, and if there are big

business. This beetles whenever afforded a future for all the reasons that we know is a very, very different horse, the data, because of many factors, but It was interesting about this is the combination of the creativity on the one hand, and the big meaning there starting to fall apart, Brian Simpson, had died, it wants to record more rigour, to be in the movies Jonah's is taken up with Europe when wants to do plastic on abandoned something, maybe more raw and his own. I think all of them, the one that wanted to break up the least was Paul Macartney because he was the one holding it together. To a large extent is rigour told me You know he was the one that used to call them up and get him back in the studio and if it hadn't been for him, he told me they would have major three records is exaggerating, but you know you see his point.

now I mean after brine, I've seen died in sixty seven. It was Macartney Keeping the band together David Redneck, thank you so much for being with us, mergers database David, it's Literally Jos, favorite topic will come back to it. So yesterday we played for you the emotional recount from one member recount from one member of the or at county school, bore detailing the threats and intimidation. Her fan I am her neighbours have received over. Such issues is worrying. Send School, that's school board. Member Jennifer Jenkins. Join us live this morning with more on her story morning, Joe back in a moment.

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