I think that what we are doing right now, I not productive it's not in the best interests of the country. We really need to sit down. in a way way we're we're heading as a nation and vigilance in those areas that are talk about that, but also about our debt while public and congressmen Gary Palmer on C span last month explaining why he stood in opposition to the by partisan info structural bill. Well, you'll, never guess who's taking credit legislation that he voted against all talk about that good morning and welcome to morning Johns The is absolutely crazy making this this. This happens and when people do this whoever is running against them needs needs to say that. Yes, there

credit other there, there's is important highway. There was built here. There's this bridges getting fix there will, when that happens, there We say. Yes, it is happening, and your member of Congress voted against. It voted against the safety of Alabama on and on and on its just it's crazy night. I think make organ see more and more of this yeah because Four structure is something everybody likes, especially when it's been crumbling for quite time mean people walk in our people are going to be very it's going to create job. It's gonna mean, of course, he's gonna take credit for it, but the voting Einstein, then taking credit for it. That's that's just another another way the Republican Party looks kind of lost. Well, it is well, let's just say if you ve looked at Paul numbers- are a couple of poor, shaped in D c- that our law

I say I mean the Democrats way behind we're gonna be getting to that. on a lot of issues Paul's, especially and much more, but really couple of of theirs. We should talk about first of all, our dear friends, and they are really is much family. as friends out a Java Jos In the morning I mean we ve been go in there for so long term and Amy. of Ngos and their entire family have just they ve been a part of our life. Since that moment, We get out there in my guys as two thousand eight timorous. Serbia went through that door with the snow binding has said. Hey you guys mind. If I come on you're show, and I think most elusive sort of pointed at that moment is the beginnings of of mourning job that put it right there.

There's timorous code on in two thousand eight around the IRA caucuses, as Barack Obama was on his way to become so. presently United States in your right that view it- and I think you guys do too, as almost the birthplace of mourning Joe Java Jos, which has been open for like thirty years until it just closed that the moment right, there were our show gotta stamp of approval from sir, was the most important person NBC News at the time, the legend and he served said yeah. This is a I want to come and sit and talk politics. I've been watching from a distance. I like what you guys are doing in here. I am so Java from their every I will caucus every four years. It really for us kicked off such important year in an was our bread and butter talking about presidential politics in the election. So so and here s, news from timid Amy. That Java Jos is closing because it really has been set. a part of our lives for well a decade and for people in the Moyne much longer than that

Now you look at these. These images it takes me back, make, I remember, landfill and tell him hey. We need to go out to Iowa were a political show and he said well, people NBC aren't news, aren't gonna, let you go out and tell him fail as it well. Listen where we're going he Iowa If you want to send some cameras, then you can send cameras, but we're gonna go So good luck with that, you have an empty set in New York, and so we went out there, but they what and let us stay and either. place over there, I don't know what it is, because it states like Pacific Centre or something has had never let us inside there. They say you can I can say this little coffeehouse psyche several blocks away, but we're not gonna. Let you go into the main area, so relic, ok so. This just shows you that that that big they they

wished us out of the civic centre, because we weren't good enough to be there and We ended up going to this little coffee place and, after about two or three hours out after TIM Russet, said screw the Syndic centre. This is where the action is anyone. And came over and talk to listen, you see their Buchanan there and everybody else in brother, Barnacle and its interests. It was just wonderful and it really became the place to be, and in Iowa and for for so long and its, It's just an incredible place and we love be in their sleep it

which is where I mean that moment that TIM walked in the door. We talk about that as the day our show was sort of blast and became real. We were really struggling to put together this political talk. Show this island of Civility- and that was the day that we knew that we were going to be well under way, we'd still be on fifteen years later, which we are all little tired, but my gosh, it all started at Java, Jos, and it was not. TIM and Amy, but their kids. We took pictures with their kids when they were really a little and then just recently when we were there if they were all grown out. So It is then the home to sort of our are our political have. Whenever there is an election end up at Java, Jos. by the way, sweetie we're not tired, we're stalled. There has also been bears this out here, so very, very

for you know four people that that maybe haven't played I school sports, especially icicle football, you its kind, Are there explained about the bind, the Jew you have with people turn? two days and I will tell you still show them defining moment of my law, which may sound sad to people, but it's not I mean I learned so much discipline ninety eight degree, whether words slagging through you, a hot August, stays in the coaches. That coached me such an indelible mark on on me, I know you feel the same way and you lost a guy that meant meant the world. You yeah thanks coach drew gives an absolute legend in the state of New Jersey. He's the head football coach. Your ram oppose high school football powerhouse, but

in my day. That's me at my old high school Richard High school. He was mine, fishing coach, we're going back thirty some years now and true, one of the great coaches, one of the most influential people in my life, If when I got the chance, this is a picture from just last month we had a thirtieth anniversary union of our state championship team. He came back over from ram opposed since one seven state titles and by the way his team is playing on Friday for another one and he died suddenly. Yesterday he was taken out of practice two days ago with chest pain and died in surgery, valley, hospital in redwood, shocked, and the stated all of us and we ve been in touch, but his wife Sharon and his family and the RAM oppose football family, but you're right Joe, a guy like Coach Gibbs, leaves a market then he is one of the people who certainly built me in the coaches, my head coach, Richard Chuck, Johnson and Jim Stroke or another one as well, but that group of eyes. When I was fourteen fifteen sixteen years old, they put things in

me that I carry with me today and I am so grateful for the relationship I've had with coach, Gibbs and just so sad and so sorry for for his family, in the veranda PO football family about his his death yesterday. And there were certainly thinking of his family, not only at home, but also at school that football team, but will you know it's amazing they impact he had on your life? The impact he's had on the generation of kids that will Even those that are gonna be plain Friday night there going to be looking thirty years from now and and thinking about the impact that he had on their lives as well. And you don't make a week. We of course, who had the same same thing with with the iraqi couches and they hear you talk Do your girls and you're talking to friends about those tracked meets the just

really has such a lasting impact there. There not just games, are really are their tests the great way for you high school. College. Kids detest themselves send it say, really: does build and shape character, light I really was talking about meant for life with us. We The host of way too early and White House Bear Chief, had politico Jonathan Le Maire, com an associate editor for the Washington Post, David Ignatius and member of the New York Times Editorial Board. Mom a gay as with us this morning. So former president tromp is rolling out new endorsements in an effort to unseat republican law makers who voted for his impeachment or supported the bipartisan infrastructure bill. In West Virginia Tromp endorsed GEO P congressmen Alex Mooney, who voiced opposition to both the bipartisan infrastructure bill and

creation of the House Select Committee to investigate January six in Michigan he's doors to former housing and urban development. Official John Gibbs, who is running against congressmen, Peter Meyer, the congressmen was one of ten publicans, who voted to impeach Trump in the wake of January six over the canned Trump called for primary challenges against several other Republicans. He referred to as sellouts and quote known losers and I well yeah as trumped up out of Zeus, chemist, say, though more gay. The Democrats, if you look at the latest Paul numbers there doing absolutely dreadful against republican not only if you look at the generics, if you look at the issue for issue after issue this republican Party no like Donald Trump, if they behave

The and international. Probably true. When for having a huge year end twenty twenty two, but look at the Senate candidates. Donald Trump is lining up against Democrats. Look these now doing in the house this, actually is Donald Trump, just like you did in Georgia, and the Georgia Senate raises just psyches in Georgia with Herschel Walker and all these other people have been accused of being. There wives or girl friends are in the states, he's throwing them a lifeline every day. Ultimately I mean the problem for the Republican Party is that Donald Trump remains, as innovation offered Democrats as Republicans. So as long as he is continuing to stand, the MAX Democrats are going to say motivated, democratic voters- I mean, Sir,

these challenges are some of the activity that down transport up to a recent days, especially in Michigan, really takes me back to that awful moment. and he was in the arena, one of his rallies in Michigan and an started talking about. John and I gotta stealing his legacy and the crowd at the tromp rally was disturbed and I think, some of them, I don't, I think they made a boot, were kind of ground and end. You know, I think that Donald Trump is going to find but he can continue to motivate, is based, but it's actually going to also motivate Democrats, but the demographic get their act together, and there is no doubt about that, but I think that voters are going to motivate war against Donald Trump and against some of these moderate. The Republicans and

as Trump does tromp house manoeuvre later, Kevin Mccarthy is reportedly trying to keep those attacks from spreading across the Party they closed door meeting of the GEO, be conference yesterday, Mccarthy, I urge members to focus on their attacks on Democrats not each other some far right members who are closely aligned with former president Trump have begun. Attacking fellow Republicans, who voted for the five hundred billion the five hundred and fifty billion dollar infrastructure package so he's trying to keep them drove from five. Amongst themselves, no doubt about it, David Ignatius, their here's, here's the problem haven't Mccarthy. sacrifices, political soul to be speaker, the House, Donald Trump, this more and more every day, how little respect he has recovered Mccarthy, because he's

siding with a really extreme members of that republican carcass, because he's here trying at times to act like a speaker awaiting should act, needs to act, but he can't do that. And so what we are seeing is then in the words of of grandma. You don't want to let that horse out of the barn low horses in order to get out of the barn and pretty soon you owing to say the most extreme members of the Republican Party inside the House caucus dominating what goes on there. George painful, a watch, some the Republicans pledged. Loyalty to person I know is wrecking the party that they grew up in a cab Mccarthy's hard to feel sympathy, Frahm given, some of the leadership that is shown, but many Republicans who know better just feel

They cannot break free of transit influences gravitational field that I, as we can toward twenty twenty four, I think they'll be more attempts to repel the begin to see Republicans speaking out a little bit and in private conversations with people. Like me, saying don't bet on from being the nominee, but I noticed just generally a sense of people feeling constricted trouble. Course loves the attention. Trouble no anywhere endorse anybody to see just wants to pay back of a news. Meanwhile, the Republicans and kind. Republican leaders around the country where they could just desperately What's he got away used or is there a path for the party that has some independence from Trump and it really. You have specifically people that are pushing Kevin. My car in challenging Kevin Mccarthy, too. Get on their side, people letter,

engaging in extreme fascist style, imagery whether people king about ghosts are right now which, as Alex before the shall we guess it sounds like one of those ghosts from goes bus but go SAR with his violent imagery Marge Retailer Grain, of course, who had the poster with a he, was now our fifteen and had the squad said she was common after um you have, you have other violent imagery, these are. The very people are saying. Kevin Mccarthy is not being a loyal enough to us, regardless of whether whether its violent fashion style, imagery or whether the talking about jewish face lasers or whether the talking about the most extreme conspiracy see theories. Are they just hurt? The party over all Mccarthy is trying to have it both ways and you just can't have both ways. Well, that's the thing. Mccarthy

will not criticise crazy members of his party when they say some of the things you just express. I'm sure China will be relieved to hear that the attacks and fellow Republicans will be stopped soon. She of course raised her hand and had the gall to say insurrections are bad and we are essential out loud she's been state of the party, so we'll see if that holds up, but you can saw. The house is expected to vote today on whether this sure that republican congressmen who posted a video depicting violence against Democrats areas Arizona, Paul Gosar, could become the first member of Congress to be censured in more than a decade for the video posted to social media. Last week, the edited clip of an ant a tv series showed a character with Go Sars face, killing New York, Democrat Alexandria, Cassio, Cortez and slashing present buying with a weapon ghosts, are later defended the video calling it a quote symbolic cartoon the house vote will also decide whether Republican. Be stripped of his committee assignments, that is according to a source. Meanwhile,

It's been ghosts are reportedly defended posting that video again yesterday in a closed door republican conference meeting ghosts are telling his fellow Democrats he did not intend. to promote violence. This, according to the hill, he also reportedly he did not see the video before it was posted, despite it being pretty by his own team. Following that mean the hell reports that House minority later Kevin Mccarthy reiterated go Sars message. Saying quote: it was not his intent to ever harm anybody when, about the situation. Housekeeper Nancy policy at a different response, The suggestions about farming, a member of Congress, that is in itself, a danger that never Congress, but an insult to the exclusion of the House of Representatives cannot have members joking about murdering each other, as well as threatening the president of the United States. So jostling there

Augustine, Gostar Republic, in talking to his fellow republicans in that conference being defending it say, even see it. I just haven't some fun with some anime. He ought to take a look at where what he posted, but, as Joe has said many times it wasn't that long ago, in the United States congress- would have been away up where every Republican, what you said your censured, you can't do that when I talking about issues, are going to fight Democrats on what's in front of us on all these issues that we think we can win on in twenty twenty two. But if you do crap like that, we're going to send to you would be a significant reprimand. You mention the last year more than a decade ago was near competent, Charlie Wrangle, and I was, after a month long painstaking probe into an ethics why should this is? This is very different, would be real, were to happen, but I think it should be noted in the republican Party. Far more outrage at the GEO peanut I voted for the bypass infrastructure bill then towards all those are who pointed put it up. This video depict kill, I was under a cancer Cortez and slashing president.

it might perhaps be disturbing one if you will ask things stand right now and men, leader Mccarthy, yet we just heard from him. He said that he does seem to include these inclined to believe Gostar. He doesn't believe that he should be cast out that they should face Inter Party discipline, He also does seem like he's, trying to tempt down those in the freedom caucus we're trying to turn on the of against who voted for by parliament. Actual that these recognises a distraction. The party does not mean. But it goes to show just how difficult this is going to be for him to keep this party together. Look. They are set up historically Bonn on pulling right now reclaim the house with during November, like they have a good path to do that, but it's gonna be challenging. And to keep this competing fatuous together with talked a lot about Democrats at war with each other. We might start to see some within the Republican Party Pierre to particularly as President Trump seemingly by the day.

I have his voice, be louder and louder, trying to play kingmaker trying to restart his influence over the GNP ahead. It is possible twenty twenty four Rhine as he tries to manipulate and push those republicans loyal to him to cast out The art wellbeing. Kingmaker is one thing having begins, would understand if he were true to be kingmaker amusing that bad position to help the party, What he's doing is again, like I said before the same exact thing he did in Georgia at the end of the twenty twenty cycle He went in and actively worked in a way that damage the republic chances, bodily winning those two seats, but also taking for the United States Senate he's doing it again, he's going from one state to another state to another state and eddies, candidates, who are terribly flawed candidates that that that have things in there background that you're gonna hurt them politically, but he's doing it simply because they ve pledged

complete and total fealty to Donald Trump make it just as we talk bout Kevin, Mccarthy's House republican carcass again, here's a here's, a guy that wants to be speaker of the house and these people want take control of the majority. You have a party that is punishing people that wants to do put people on the sidelines for voting for an infrastructure bill they're all running around bragging about, even if they vote against it. It's a bipartisan in structure bill and, as we saw that up, even if they vote again this infrastructure bill there going home bragging about how great the infrastructure bill is right. So they're talking about those people who decide in the party and stripping My committee asylum is a whatever their talk. You are doing for punishing them, and yet people who are putting out videos that that symbolically talk about the murdering of another,

member of Congress. Those people are fine with a party so This is this: is your republican Party folks that wants to take control? I mean it needs. They need sums leadership, people having to speak out against the crane this most dangerous, most violent, most fascist elements of that party. So they when the mainstream and twenty twenty two, it shouldn't be hard real, quick. that I think so. I think that the real issues, whether present fighting and his team, can show the country and alternative view what a political party does, that it passes a bipartisan thrust, infrastructure bill, doesnt, fight about it. It it's celebrates it and that's been the problem for the Democrats. Through this long summers, they just couldn't get it done now. It's done another. go out and say to the country where the people who did this, meanwhile Republicans, are being each other up where the country that one

to build roads and bridges. It's a simple message like I did functioning government already. Actually gonna make up and work job. You have it Maura. If you look back with the Democrats have done over the past nine months. This will be taught in political science classes on what not to do when you take of whom she didn t see. While inflation has been go here, while Afghanistan was blowing apart. Will all these what is the image Americans have had of Democrats going? in the halls of Congress debating other in front of the media and just talking about numbers it has been insanity. Meanwhile, gas price are going up the pop. Meanwhile, Afghanistan is melting down. Meanwhile Democrat just seem like that, their supply chain they just on top of this. Instead there fighting each other. They have to get past this. Don't I absolutely I mean the Democrats

also need strong leadership and they need some discipline and the US. In a sense of urgency, they seem increasingly out of touch with what ready. Americans are facing whether it You know a lingering unemployment, despite all the jobs that are available in certain sectors, whether AIDS, of issues or a pandemic related child? problems, the inflation that's making it really expensive too. I have a home to see your loved ones at Christmas right. The Democrats seem pretty out of touch at this point. the other day I booked a ticket to see my dad and into trade, and it's gonna be here the dollars to rent a car in Detroit they make cars in Detroit. I have never seen anything like it, so I think I think the Democrats kind of need to kind of go back to square one and understand I'm. Maybe we need to talk to them which ones face to face as the pandemic kind of wines.

And get a sense for what everyday Americans are going through. Nobody can buy a whole, many more, so there's a lot of problems that that they have as well, but I also think pulling back a little bit like the trouble for the demo is that functionally they have a much bigger tent right. They have a much bigger, healthier or voice whereas constituency with a mere party that they need to satisfy. So my husband and the reason of persons. they are the home, the only home of american democracy at the moment, and so because of that they do Have a bigger challenge in front of them, but they need to. They need to do better we need, like a supply chains, are a supply chain update every week I mean this is definitely like, hitting us in the face every day and ministration needs or just a strong president about a little further, we gotta stop the bottleneck. It's very complicated does still. I had a morning, Joe S, cove and case numbers rise from coastal coast.

This week we could see after yea green light, booster shots for all adults. This, as New York City Get ready to welcome visitors back two times square on New Year's eve, but with new rules and eyes plus or heading into a second day of jury deliberations in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial intentions high in the city of Canosa Also, I had a look at the massive new law suit filed in the wake of the for a world festivals tragedy. You're watching morning, Joe we'll be right back everybody outlook, remember today shown I'm excited. Tell you about my new podcast cooking up a storm on the whip. Up a thanksgiving with some amazing friends. Tell you get ready for the homeless.

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For the man has to show wherever you listening right now to follow listen to the pond, cast is thirty one past they our here's, a look at some of the other stories making headlines this morning. The jury in the I'll Rittenhouse trial will continue deliberations today after it did not reach a verdict. Yesterday before aberrations began yesterday. The judge allowed Rittenhouse himself to pick, which George would decide his fate through random, draw and busy is national correspondent gave could share, as has the details, tensions, high canosa waits under the National Guard troops on standby, but not yet deployed even come here. Review bad now brings community, when I watch in you, I thought you retired cancer in house himself, picked at random six jury alternate from a lottery drop that remain in

Lord House, in a separate room, while the other twelve June deliberate, seven, women and I've men, including one person of color, if the jury finds that written, has provoked the initial attack then Rittenhouse may lose was the argument of self defence completely written houses charged with I fell in accounts the most serious first degree, intentional homicide, a prosecutor portraying him as a thin seventeen year old vigilante. You cannot claim self defense against a danger you create, and the defence insisting there was a rush to judgment, every person who was shot was attacking Kyle shot Joseph and bomb to stop a threat to his person. I'm glad he shot on food kings became a rallying cry for conservatives and gun right supporters, many of whom raise money for written houses, defence and two million dollars bail,

view this as an attack on the heavenly key health and sees innocent people seems to be going out, but for the girl for today than Huber the second man Rittenhouse, shot and killed. The trial is about accountability. I think that real justice honestly would be Lee I'm at the bare minimum hinges some consequence for his actions. They gave booty errors for that report and just following up on what gave said about something: proclaiming? This is a second amendments rights case. It's my man. It's really not if you support the second amendment, if you support safety actually The last thing you want r are minors having guns they shouldn't be carrying around carrying on air fifteen's because they think they're fine.

This is this is again just this is not a case for anybody. I do rally around on either side and a person who I thought spoke very eloquently This was David. France, too, is a, is a huge second amendments, right supporter. In fact, we ve had debates back and forth. on the second amendment that through the years, but in David's latest column, for the Atlantic, its entire, Kyle Rittenhouse, is no hero. This is what he writes regardless of the outcome of the trial, the Tropics, I'd is wrongly creating a full Cairo out of Rittenhouse ass. Familiar he's become a pie the symbol, a young man of action whose stepped up when the police legibly stepped aside when you, a foolish young man into a hero. You'll see more foolish young man. Try to emulate example, and although stage should not permit riders to run rampant in America Street random groups,

armed Americans are utterly incapable of imposing ordered themselves and anyway, To do so can lead to greater death and carnage and acquittal does not make a foolish man a hero, a political movement that turns sadly in ineffective, vigilante into a role model is a movement, scoring more violence, courage and more young men to reckless. He brandish weapons and dangerous places, and that was More blood in America, street makers, David also said kind Rittenhouse, getting acquitted, will might be a miscarriage of justice at this in time. Foolish and reckless actions should not make him a hero to anybody. He should stead serve as a warning to people. All sides of the political spectrum, accounting, accountability in some way. Let's move now, too,

Wrapper Travis, Scott Apple, music in epic record, are among those facing us Seven hundred and fifty million dollar lawsuit on behalf of more than a hunter. in twenty people kill or injured at the Astor World Concert and their family members, the pseudo ledges answer cover suffered. Mental and physical what distress from the event due to the organizers and performers, quote senseless gross negligence in court documents, plaintiffs argue the people behind the event not make an even minimal effort to keep concert, goer safe and cite the death of twenty one year old, Axel Acosta, who was crushed by the out of control. Proud Acosta when it cardiac arrest before falling the ground and being trampled filing. Jesus plaintives aside, some of Scots Song lyrics as evidence of his

regard for concert safety. They are asking. five hundred million dollars in actual damages for medical expenses, funeral expenses and mental anguish and another to it Fifty million dollars in punitive damages and Joe, I mean this is something that I've I've been watching and following and I know Nobody here has been sort of trying to figure out how that could have happened. An ambulance driving through a crowd is not a sign of Stress I dont know what is, I think, it's I've nation and the production, crew and performer know how they can turn away from their responsibility here and Willie is the problem is again he's got a history of this he's been charged before, with inciting crowds. You I look. He was in the best position

at least from the stage to see everything that was going on in and could could not have help. It the ambulance, come up and knowing his pass, knowing the trouble he had been in before for inside grounds should have done something you also to look, though at the Houston Police Department, or are the county Sheriffs department and just ask what there, while they were doing if you, if you have em ass casually event, at nine thirty. keep bringing up New York City cabs, because I know New York City cops. I'd seen how they operate, Utica mass casually event at nine thirty, New York City cops ago- and I this is over- they gonna unplug everything, they're gonna, shouted down and their identity. The place out, I am sure there are a lot of other places, occur, the country, whose police departments we do the same thing, why the hell did the cancer going? other thirty, forty five minutes in Houston after a mass.

Thirdly, event had been called: I think I mention this when this first happened, but I was at a concert in central park in September there, whether moving in there was a little bit array may look like. There was lightning. The police politely came on said folks. Please move out there, the company, the era concert goes on. The next thing we heard was the power being pulled out of the Alps and the lights going off, it was over turn it off. They just shut it down, so you know you If those images is just devastating, can you imagine what it must have been lying? in the middle of that just awful lost a nine year old named as a couple of days ago. He died after a long fight. After being at that concert itself, horrible on so many levels, and I hope everyone involved the performers, the production, companies and police learn something from this tragedy. But man, it's just that should have happened it so often, let's turn to the fight against cove it most adults across

the United States now could be able to get a Pfizer booster shot as early as this weekend. The FDA is expected, rise. It goes as soon as tomorrow for all also received their second goes through the vaccine. In the past six months, Pfizer also as ass, the FDA for an emergency authorization of its coded treatment pill. The drug company says the anti viral pill cuts the risk hospitalization or death by eighty percent in high risk adults who ve been exposed to the virus. Meanwhile, Washington D C will ease its strict indoor mask mandate. Starting Monday, Mayor Muriel, Bouser said this week, while infections Main steady vaccines are keeping people out of the hospital by and large mass no longer will be required in most businesses, but people still need them in places like schools. Sing homes and jails, as well as on public transportation and The new year's Eve Party is back on in times square to ring into may twenty two years without going mayor,

The plaza had to say. we love New Year's Eve I'm square. We wanted to be big. We to be for life, who want to be a great New York celebration, guess what everyone, a big, strong full strained celebration. It's coming back this new year's Eve Times Square. Everyone come on down. Worse, rating Hundreds of thousands of people are invited to times wherefore the celebration December thirty first, but every that will need to be fully vaccinated. Four hundred nineteen, every one, five and older- must bring proof of vaccination. Adults also will need photo Idee make it. This is what tat This is what's happening in New York City for people who are worried about their freedom and say it's too onerous. You walk into a restaurant. two seconds. They look here. Vaccine car they say have a great meal on New year's eve.

They'll say: let me see your vaccine. Our great go have a great night: that's doing in New York, city and the numbers are down. Ok well will be watching them on television coming up and I say, will be watching television for some reason, I accidently stumbled ended Times square, that night did say if you had a vaccinated now. No, actually I have not. You cannot let me in Times square getaway fast. I always like it's always great till. Why times square on New Year's Eve I do wonder who, in the hack, as what it takes to stay for, like twelve fourteen hours, degree whether young I don't get that I don't know how to bring the glad that they're they're gonna get to stand in cold weather for twelve fourteen hours,

and who knows maybe Mariah carry you can't know they have another. One of our members will for performances. On new year's eve, I can't use I'd better, go into oblivion, blanket just like me. You like to go out not anymore. Ok, ok, I've been boring and a wet blanket very, very, very loud. I might that makes life is used to complain about the fact that they had to carry me up to bed at night cause. I fall asleep in of happy days like seven hundred and nothing's changed through the year good here that in euro on those night say to now, I'm through. If you're, there haven't got guns, serious care item and I just had to carry you up the stairs, I'm I'm I'm cut a gag

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Let me just say that call congratulations. We have we been talking over the past year. Sometime on the sidelines lively. You know I've he's been in seventeen. Seventy six guy I've been fascinated by this entire project it, but I think once what what I find most diving remark. About the fact is, despite the debates, the differences, it All of us may have, while having this debate you made so t. Nineteen is Dick in the mines, I think Amy American approaching history that whenever you talk about seventeen. Seventy six those of your ordering of it. Sixteen nineteen is now going to be a part of that to talk about that talk about this year and This book birthday for having me on- and yes, I have appreciated- are many conversations, often overtax brother times, you

have brought me. I wish to talk about this work out. I'm just really excited that the ball is in the world, your right, that, sixty maintain, I think, is now a permanent part of our lexicon. When we discuss history- and I think that's critical- I dont think as you and I have discussed, that you have to choose one of these, and I would never argue, but one thousand seven hundred and seventy six doesn't matter- that's not important force. It is what I'm saying is. That's also just just that lends a little bit and, let's think about what leads to one thousand seven hundred and seventy six, and if we think of one thousand seven hundred and seventy six as an origin of freedom, we have to think a one thousand. Six hundred and nineteen is the origin of slaves. And that both have been defining tensions in american life, and I think we we still grappled with those tension and this project tries to help us understand why and an end. That's what's so important. You talk about the defining tensions, that's why you hear that

debates and it's either or its right laughed at this, is we talk you a dialectical? Thinking on this show too, things can be true at this. In time and end I remember last year we were talking to that Gordon Reed and I said how do you get past? Thomas Jefferson, how'd, you get past the horrible thing he did this life and, at the same time, producing documents that freed more people than anybody else, and she said well, that's what You want from your leader. We can hold two separate truths and our money at the same time seventeen seventy six and sixteen nineteen and, like you, said, synthesize them and figure out what we leave him and have that open debate? It's it's exhilarating, it's supposed to be what America's about. Of course I mean look. My daughter must always ask me:

this person good or bad Mamma, and I would have to tell her most people can do really great thing and most people are capable of doing bad things, and we can't think about our history is either all good or bad, and we can't think about. Our founders or any one person is all good. Are all batch? Thomas Jefferson wrote down some majestic ideals. He failed to live up to them. and what we argue that black Americans read those majestic ideals, ideas matter and they said what fight to make those true, that's a narrative. I think that we can all be proud of, and we have to be able to teach our children and ourselves a complicated history about a complicated, Nay said, and I just think these the belief that, if we are more honest about our history, if we are more honest about the mother really terrible things, other that has happened in this country, that it was some are destroyed,

fabric of our country, but actually think that you can't have reconciliation until you reconcile with the past and once we are honest about our history, I think that We can start to move forward and repair the New York Times more, a gaze where this and as a question Maura in own culture well congratulations. This has been just a joy to see, see thanks leader. I love, flattened work, one of the great things about your work and about this object is that it really has centred the black experience at the heart of a man. In history and democracy. So much Caution has been, of course, about the blow back. Actually wondering if you could just talk a little bit about what you ve heard from Black America Maybe in clearly is clear: if color across the country or or reading the work at children, and is that feed back then

I don't know if there's one story that stands out. Yes, thank you so much for that question, because we do focus a lot on on the pushed back, but the push back, the sign of all of the people who actually embraced the product. You wouldn't have a level pushed back. If you didn't have people really embraced the project, and this feeling I'm of discomfort tat, we ve been hearing around this critical razor propaganda campaign, does then be standard feeling for black children to feel bad way that history is taught is demeaning to them that the way the history has taught really erases them in erases the accomplishment of black Americans. So when we tell

story that says that people have always been actors in the american project. A black people have been the primary perfect of our democracy that this country is w e b. The boy said would not be what it is without her negro people without her black people at a section, empowering message for you and I have heard again and again black students, who said, I feel pride in being an American for the first time. I I have an understanding of what my ancestors went through and all that they accomplished and that this makes me want to work harder the students in Chicago who were engaging with the project that they were doing, research. They were looking at things their community, but they ve, never understood before, and they started to do historical waste started to make their communities makes them their lives makes sense and it really thought empowering to them. Every person wants

see themselves in the narrative of America. We are multi racial country. We ve been multi racial. Sixteen nineteen, when the purse Africans I join in native people who already here and the english settlers, and we need a history of that is reflective of that you're gonna go. I hear your line about black Americans being pro Actors of american democracy use throughout history, we talk about Jefferson and Jefferson's declaration. It was used by Frederick Douglass Abraham Lincoln when he finally, after dread, Scott decided he was going to aggressively start talking about anticipation. He also use Jefferson's words and to say that the declaration applied- to a constitution that had provisions in the protected slaveholders. Martin third king use those words as well, but this exists What goes all the way through talking about perfected all the way through

the twenty twenty election were black women in Milwaukee County and weighing county in fault in county in Philadelphia made the difference in the election for a lot of us who believe was an election work everything was on the line. They were the difference, they prefer factors of democracy. That's right, any! You know the standing to me when people say that this project is not patriotically one. I don't think the role of Germany to produce worked its patriarch or not, but I don't think you can read this and come not come away with the understanding that the most are the defenders of democracy have been those who have had to fight to have it from the beginning and that we see that role

again and again with that sad are democracy that a crisis point right now we have states that are trying to make it much more difficult for black Americans and other marginalized people the vote. We have maps that are being so heavily gerrymander that they will instead minority for decades to come and we can't keep expecting black Americans to overcome every obstacle to save this democracy again and again. Americans have to decide that are there piracy is worth edge, enjoying on ensuring We all have the legal right about, because the truth is, we call ourselves the oldest continuing democracy, but we haven't had even the resemblance of a true democracy. Except for fifty years with the voting right back and, as you know, are devoting, might act has been guided. Him were seeing the largest wave of efforts to suppress the vote that we see a sense, Jim Crow.

We have David Ignatius were the Washington post. He has a question. I just want to ask a butcher experiences as a journalist for people in our budget. this is a dream to write, something that really become central. So our national conversation, but there's a. flip side of that, because this has become such a target for people on the right. I just want to ask you what that what that's been like for you? Thank you. For that question. It is banned, challenging it's. It's not easy to go from being just a journalist to assemble, and many people have seen me as a symbol that they love my work or if they were about my work, and we can disagree on the premise of the sixteen nineteen project, we can say that we don't buy the argument of the project

but the effort to relieve discredit the project and to discredit me as a journalist has been really hard and it's it's it's. It is difficult to be targeted by some of the most powerful people in the world. The president of the United States I'm Donald Trump retweeting about my work was getting speeches about my work. In that sense, a type of can really bile hatred into your inbox and your voice mail on social, its challenging. But what I also say If you don't become journalists to make powerful people comfortable, and we have to expect that when we're trying to do more than that, His work that really challenge is a power that there's going to be pushed back. End Luckily, I have a lot of support from people, and I know that the work that I'm doing matters, I wonder

ask you as we're going out the criticism. Some of the most noteworthy criticism came from the letter from the five historian saying there were factual errors in T nineteen. It wasn't about interpretation that it was say wrong and they thought the process was closed. And wasn't transparent enough new new responded, but I'd love for you to respond here to people that heard that The letter from the historians and because of that have have just sort of discredit the entire project and said well, I don't have to grapple with that, I'm just going to move along. Yes, you know, of course, bear worth going to be critique and criticism.

Historians, restoring the actually argue with each other the interpretations all the time it's normative to the field, though, but I would ask people is, have an open mind. There was valid critique to be heard of the project absolute me and where that critique was in good day, we listen to it, though. If you look at the book Joe, you see that there are a thousand and note in the book that we document where we got the information from and people can go to, the original source material. I significantly expanded other section of my essay, which is the most contested, which is about the role of slavery and the revolution, the beautiful thing about this. Is a journalist who used to get one shot. We we print something or we produce something. We don't need to come back and really perfect at an end and to make it better. But what about? We were able to do that. So I appreciated the criticism I read more. I studied more talk too modest

and ass you go in the back of the biofuels d, we had an entire additional layer of peer review. Some of the greatest living american historian peer review. This book and sell, though We have an open mind. I think they will have their reservations answer again. Ultimately, people don't have to agree with that, but I think it is worthy of respect we worked really hard on this, and it will be important to us when we all make mistakes. I missed spoke a couple of days ago apologize from his speaking and then hammered by thy trappist go right past the apology and said: keep focusing on the mistaken maiden at that point. Doing it again in bad faith and I saw so much of that in we're case. On a much larger level like people, they just didn't want to confront the truth that sixteen nineteen did go along. what seventeen seventy six

easy for them just disregard the whole project instead of grappling with with the truths in here. let me ask you, finally, I'm just curious, as you had the time to do the deep dive and you live with a story. This extraordinary story, so long, do you Hero are too that, as stick out in your mind through throughout this, in an entire american story. I love that by saying it is not a question I have gotten before any. I think Frederick Douglass was already my hero before I did this project, but in doing this project I spent so much time is reading as many of his speeches and works is possible, and I think he is this country's greatest merit. He is someone who believe ardently in those ideas in the declaration and ass. He said we must work to ensure that the debt

right. It is not, as is alive, and he was someone who believed them rights for chinese American now when we were trying to exclude them from society. He was one who believed in vat rates for women as well as equality for black Americans, and that was a rare thing at that time, and then I let me much more or less than one percent of the women in Kelly House where the woman was born into slavery and after the Indus slavery, she thought it reparations bore other forming slave. She she tried to get the federal government to pay attention to enslave people who are living in absolute, a desert soon after the in this area, she has the Maxie actually through the federal government at again enslaved people, the taxes that had been collected on playground, happen during the civil war and she brings them

way to the federal government and she and she gets them. There are therapy heroes, do our american history, people who constantly stood up for the right thing and This need to learn more those stories, and these are story again. You don't have to be black American to take pride in these bright Americans were really by. Uproar, high ideals I ve been spending a lot of time with it, with Abraham Lincoln over the past year and a half and you, and spend a lot of time with Abraham Lincoln without spending at a time with Frederick Douglass, which got me reading, the French, Frederick, Douglass Biography I agree with you, along with it after a year and a half, I I just said, and I look at the life of Abraham Lincoln and I look at the life of free Douglas. I just ask: how did they do this? Where did they come from? extraordinary extraordinary Americans, whether new boss

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