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oh boy good morning, and welcome into mourning Joe it's Friday December, the tenth Willy Meyer I so sayings obviously put together to make us laugh by Paden for think about what a long year it is banned with actually is sitting, president struggling along with other members of the administration, to overturn a democratic election at it in the vote, and I think we This means that this along the further we get away from January, the sex the worst things are going to look the more we're going to understand, just how fraught those those those days and weeks were, and my guy swear. Actually, we are that that does that mean in yesterday really

big day in getting to the bottom of this coup attempt, It really was. I had the same feeling as you every time I watch one of those Jimmy Kimmel weaken covered here. You start out laughing and then is a goes along you, my gosh. What what a tragic series of events? that brought us to this point. I did forget about my pencil, prancing clap when he ran off the plane. That was We can look back and smile happy anniversary into that moment, but yet you said Joe, a federal appeals court has unanimously denied former President Donald Trump request to block the release of documents by the national archives to the January six Select Committee, the ruling upheld the lower courts opinion, which said in an executive privileged dispute between the current impasse. President, the sitting President prevails. The court gave the former per fourteen days to found appeal with the Supreme Court during the injunction to halt. The transfer of documents will remain in place. It is sixty eight

in opinion. The panel concluded that quote former president Tromp has provided no basis for this court. Override President Biden Judgment in the agreement and accommodations worked out between the political branches over these documents. It goes on to say both branches agree. There is a unique legislative need for these documents and that they are directly relevant to the committee's inquiry into an attack on the legislative branch and its constitutional role in the peaceful transfer of power. The courthouse splain, the relevancy writing quote, there is a direct linkage between the former president and the events of the day. On January six, President Trump directed his followers to go to the capital. end, quote fight for their country with the aim of venting congresses, certification of the electoral vote. So it's a lie opinion sixty eight pages Joe, but to cut to the heart of it present from here. to turn over those docks. He can appeal to the Supreme Court within the next couple of weeks.

Yeah, it's a long document agenda too. We are also a very harsh document when you look at What the cord says, Donald Trump is absolutely secured: this claim of executive power privileges tossed aside, winds is, contempt, by unanimously by the three judge. for the Deasey Circuit did, even though we What the truth is, even though, is so obvious anyone who was an end that bubble and who don't believe the lies in the conspiracy theories as the gas lighting it still is quite striking. Winnie. You read words like those written yesterday by the Deasey, Sir just calling this white it wise words and there that directly put the blame on the president's former presidents feet for his room So the lips before that crowd went up pencil

avenue and stormed the capital. Now the trump His team is legal team. They have the right to appeal and we'll see what the Supreme Court says, but were the January committee to get their hands on these documents is eighteen, your truck. Let's just think from it. If you work in the White House ever thing is kept as a record, everything all emails or b c c two archives cat. They would have the ability to check email. we have the ability to look at phone records. We know that trump himself, famously never senator, do that, but people around him sure dead and they took contemporaneous notes as the events of that day, they can see who was calling in and outside of the building. Now again, we know tromp try to get around the White House which board at a time when Van Chief of Staff, John Kelly, tried to prevent his old New York friends from calling in trumpet use a cell phone. I would use the first lady cellphone do so so, but there are means to get those rights.

to find out exactly what he wrote that day and in the weeks before it would be a tremendous get four the committee where they do it get their hands on all these documents and show to the american people were exactly what happened that well, and really going looking again, a little bit closer at the DC circuits decision they say lives were lost blood. shared portions of it for building were badly damaged and the lie of members of the house in the Senate and other Two more working in that building were endangered varies linkage between the former president and the events of that the horse condemnation

and, as you say, detailed specific and unanimous from this panels are now we'll see what happens next with a possible appeal, but for now Donald Trump has to turn over whatever documents he has. Meanwhile, new documents there were handed over to the select committee seemed to show the options the Trump White House considered for overturning the twenty twenty election was part of a Powerpoint presentation included in documents. Former try Chief of Staff Mark meadows handed over to the committee a portion of the present. Action was shared by guardian reporter Hugo Lowell. a series of recommendations among them declare national security. Emergency claim foreign in what's in control of electronic voting systems and declare Elect on voting in all states valid, let's bring it forward, a senator now NBC News and MSNBC political analysts, Clare Mackay, go cleared a morning. It's good to see you so my goodness. The way house was passing around this document, Mark meadows,

handed over to the select committee, and they just put it in writing in black and white a plan to overturn the election. A marked meadows had a really bad day yesterday, because when you read that opinion is that, if a unanimous Appeals in Dc Circuit says what said about executive privilege, Denmark, Meadows very, very shaky ground where he try. did now retreat and say, hey, I don't have to cooperate because of executive privilege You can weigh the privilege he's. Given all these documents there, there's gonna, be a vote to hold him in contempt. The beginning of the week and army here he's have weak, because clearly the president didn't like it did, he told me one that he had been very, very sick and, frankly kept it from people that threatens people's eyes, and now he

is really not in a strong position trying to hide from this committee after they got all this important information. For me, I mean, I think the biggest argued against him? Is that he's wave the privilege by providing the documents he already has? Well, of course, also, if he's operating on his personal found instead of His white house phony obviously doesn't think that the text that is and it is within the scope of his employment, Clara go to this document, though that was uncovered through through the record, search this document that clearly lays out a plan to again breathed the senators on foreign interference clear and national security emergency say that foreign influence, took control of electronic voting systems then declare like chronic voting in all states and valid and and and

then basically disallow the entire election? I mean these are commendations flow. Around through the gene staff to the President of the United States and the time to over fro an election too. Worth throw democracy s just if that is not sedition against the United States of America. That's not being part of a conspiracy to commit sedition against the United States of America. Then they should take that statute also books, because it's not. likeable to any real life. Issues are matters that document and I'm so glad you put it up in black and white is privatisation. Evidence of the most serious crimes against the United States It could ever be committed, and that is to invalidate a free and fair election. You know we have been the in a democracy Joe we have been.

Gold standard around the world, we we taught trying to teach people how to conduct elections and that kind of document in the White House. Clearly people dictating it to please the maniac that didn't want to abide. The election. Results is a. Scary thing and is in fact the Department of Justice. Does it see it that way? Are women problem this country. We really had troubled country, it's not often actually see the plan as a piece of evidence, but they're right in black and white. Vice chair of the Select Committee Republican List, Cheney of Wyoming tweeted, an update yesterday on the investigation inside that Select committee. She writes this. The committee has already met with nearly three hundred witnesses. We hear from former key figures in the investigation. Today that was yesterday, we are conducting multiple depositions and interviews. Every week we receive exceptionally

interesting and important documents from a number of witnesses, including mark meadows. He has turned over many tax from his private cell phone from January. Sixth, she went and we have litigated and one trumps executive privilege case in federal district court. The federal police court is exploited appeal and we anticipate a ruling regarding many more Trump Whitehouse documents soon do not Misled. President Tromp is trying to hide what happened on January sixth and to delay and obstruct. We will not let that happen. The truth will come out so jealous Cheney and others, and that can we have heard some of the talk around Washington and in the media about whether these subpoenas have teeth. What about Steve Ban and what about all these people are? We actually had to get to the bottom of it? She Falcon to lay out in great detail all the work. That's actually happening behind the scenes right.

in an answer to talk in Washington and immediate switch such art show yesterday morning me can I expressed concerns about its current Bardell is said they should act more like Republicans face it. Lay out should a hammer it out. Every day like they did with a been gauzy, hearings preside, then a mere lip Cheney with that tax makes it very clear their exact where they want to be there getting information. They want to get there scullery process of of these hearings as they get these hearings list. Cheney is telling all of those who again not just us, but others who are expressing concern You're going to run out the clock, something we hear an awful, I did that Trump and his crown you're, going to run out the clock on two January six Commission Liz chain. saying there very clearly do not be distracted by what your hearing for moral logo Vernon running out the clock, weird

the ring information wherein the discovery process and people will be de justice. It I'm surprised the colonists who didn't see see morning Joe at the end of that tweet yesterday you know you you're right. There certainly been some criticism among Democrats and others about the That's right and like there are some dismay that dependence court appearances he'll July about that contempt of Congress. charge, and we know that there is a real time line here. The time crunch with the mid term looming next November, there's been a hoped. I can't get this wrapped up by the spring and it that's why it's important to have one of the two Republicans on the committees. I know we're gonna good play look at all that we ve done. We ve gotten a ton of information in vital information just this week, including from some of the founders of the thought the steel movement, which played a role as to what happened on January six and that we are going to bring the his people to just as we have hold them accountable for what happened in the past on the sixth and also prevents about this from happening

gets. It was a clear message: patients here we're in the place, you know and I've been talk. People have aids, I've been talking couple days, have said the same thing that they feel like their encouraged by the Vine testimony and what their hearing from witnesses Yesterday's they know they'll be some hold out meadows among them, but their will To do whatever it takes, they know how important this year and Willie. One other thing that I'm hearing is an it also reading is that while we are seeing the high profile whole louse, De Rams, who were opposing for the cameras there are so many people that work in the Trump White House that were this stood by what happened on January six, regardless of what you think of them, regardless which you said they should have done before purposes of this investigation. What matters is they were cell repulsed and disgusted by what happened on January, the sex that they're turning over information of this committee? They want this committee to know exactly.

What happened? are cooperating a lot of trouble, staffers cooperating with his committee, yet exactly what I am hearing to attack me. Somebody around that maybe on the staff who says you know of steam ban and wants to be the martyr for this whole thing for the major world. That's fine! Let him be that we're talking to literally hundreds and hundreds of people and The way they point out mark meadows can make a great show of not showing up for his deposition. We already six thousand pages of his documents, including some of these tax and documents that we're talking about this morning. There is another development around president trumped up in New York, New York attorney General Latisha James ended her campaign for New York governor just a couple of weeks after entering the race in a tweet. Yesterday James wrote, I've come to the conclusion that I must continue my work as attorney general. Their number important investigations in cases that are under way, and I intend to finish the job. for re election to complete the work New Yorkers elected me to do part of that work.

Talking about her offices, investigation into potential fraud at the Trump Organization as part of that probe, Jane, seeks to depose Donald Trump early next year, familiar with the matter has told NBC news. James has requested Trump answer: questions under oath on January, seven, that her New York Office as part of a civil tax fraud investigation into whether his company gave fraudulent valuations of properties to different entities, sources telling the Washington Post that detail organization, released a statement calling the move quote. Another political which adding the only focus of the New York Agee, is to investigate trump. All for her political ambitions and attorney for Trump said the former president, who has not been accused of any wrong doing in this investigation, will fight the request in court. Joint now Washington, Post Rapporteur, David, fair and bold, and former prosecutor Charles Common Good morning to you both Dave and you ve been on this story. I ll start with you

What did you read into the decision by Tis James yesterday to step away from the governors race and stay and run for reelection is attorney general as it impacts. Donald Trump well look she'd under this race to Those who said that she and gotten a lot attraction is run. Behind the current governor in a very crowded upon the democratic primary. So I think our logic was look. I can run in this race and did not have a real chance of winning, and if I do it, it'll foot a cloud over what is it The most important work for a career investigating trumpeting that she's put the most working and so if she did bring charges against trouble, she did by law. Citizens from all that will be done the cloud of what was she just doing a strong for governor, so I think she'd saw awaited. You notes, cutter losses in the governors race and focus more on this gate, and certainly it was no guarantee that she was going to win the cap, Yokul chuckle, for governor COM

is off too strong. A start has good pull numbers. Charles though steady assigned, Latish James Political future, she started to favour to be attorney. General gonna be reluctant that post. I let's talk about this about this case about this deposition. Opposite a private citizen, does he have any means to fight appearing on January seventh, and if not, what we expected learn from better. I dont think that He is going to be able to successfully fight this, and I think, even with regard to his status as a former president, what we ve been able to see even with respect to January stakes in the investigation there is that courts are starting to look at him as a civilian again, and they started to treat him in that way. So I do expect he's going to have two short for the deposition. Now, whether does it decides. You know I may blowed often trotted beheld in contempt, of course is a different conversation, but if he does show up that day, I expect that he's going to do I threw his attorney to deny

at least avoid answering as many questions as possible is likely going to be a very difficult deposition to get through, because he's not going to give up information willingly and a lot of things that he's going to say are going to distance him from a first hand, knowledge of what was going on within his own organisation. Now how much speak to his own credibility is a different conversation. Whether people actually believe that is an entirely different matter, but I do not expect him to give up much. If you even shows up on January seven you know, Charles De Boer, expecting New York state are perhaps York City to file pretty tough charges against Donald Trump for inflating his worth for for bank fraud, Don't worry charges we ve gotten is against the CFO for not paying taxes on benefits. Giving given day is forest targeting Donald Trump for

case of wrong. Doing that seem to be pretty weak sauce or a lot of observers is any suggestion that there's there anymore charges coming one at that, point out remains to be seen Joe. I think a big part of the prosecution strategy here, as usual was you get, one whose within reach you get the low hanging fruit and you try to flip them. So don't you have something that will stick better. Donald Trump has proven to be a very slippery figure when it comes to his business dealings and has involved is there, and so because of that? That is why prosecutors have tried to get who they can to get more information to build a case. That's going to stick. one wants to be known as the person who tried to invite Indict, Donald Trump and in failed and was unsuccessful. So I think before anyone has made a move, they want to be sure footed, but the real Haiti. Is the information just hasn't come as of yet so right now, does it seem like those charges are coming, but depending on what through the source of the due to the course of this investigation. Anything could change so

There has been so much involving present from so many investigations, both in his private life and areas time as president people can be forgiven if there's forgotten, details of this. So what please Tis James looking into here and what is the former presidents force exposure on it will either member this to set. Delegations going on even here, which is kind of confusing, so changes conducting a civil investigation. It would end in a was so she said interested in whether tromp deceived property, tax officials or lenders when he gave valuations for his property, is basically that he would same property and give it a very low value when he was talking to property tax officials and in company weigh up when he was too it was lenders, so you look more worthy of alone is also questions about whether he evaded taxes, when alone was forget, a huge like hundred million. Our alone was forgiven, omission I'll go tower and whether he cheated Property, in a conservation even gotten the brake on his poverty taxes, it sort of a grab bag of things, but the overall

is whether he lied to lower taxes or to gain loans. in fair and hold of the Washington Post David. Thank you very much, as always internally talking she again soon on this on Charles Let you go you, and I, just a few days ago, talking about the Jesse smaller in Chicago your prediction came to yesterday, the actor was convicted? five of the six charges against him for lying felony lying making a false report that he was the victim of a hate crime you see yesterday in those verdicts well, what I saw the end of the day Willie is that the jury didn't buy. The jury was very clear about of prosecutions case that was very for it had a lot of physical evidence and was corroborated by their eyewitnesses. I think that it was a good case that the prosecution leap forward, I think that smaller not do himself any favours with respect to take in this day and age, testifying the way that he did. I think that he did need to take the stand, but what we have from him during the course of his testimony was so stay

accurately absurd that he put himself in a worse position more than he then he actually was in so at this point, one things for sure: two things for certain everyone can Knowing that the stock is likely over in that Jesse Small, less for attackers have been brought to justice see what I was alive high profile people went along for the ride right out of the gate, Charles COM. Thank you. So much is always good to see you some breaking news just into us here London's high court room moments ago that wickedly expounder Julian Assize can be extradited to the United States to face espionage charges decision over Your turns a ruling earlier this year. That assigned could not be extradited due to his mental health size faces. Eighteen can here in the U S, after Wikileaks, released in two thousand and trolls of Confidential United military records and diplomatic cables join us now from London. Nbc new senior international corresponded kid.

Simmons care good morning. It's good to see you. So what does this mean for Julian Assange? Now. I really well actually songs. Legal team is saying that they will appeal this appeal in the british high court. I think it does though, that it is much more likely that he will appear in a they're in the U S, possibly as soon as next year, Willie there is so much history to the Julian Assange, store now you have the two fifty thousand diplomatic cables that were leagues by Julius Oranges weekly. you have about engagement with the russian military, the Jews, the g are you to leak lurid lurid conspiracy theories about the Democratic Party about Hillary Clinton. You have those rape allegations, Sweden that were subsequently dropped. You have that period of time where he was holed up in the air.

Dorian embassy here in London? What is crucial about this extradition bid by the? U S? Is that the? U S, Is trying to see Judas challenging court overcharge? of hacking not leaking so that the charge is effectively that he worked with Chelsea Manning to try to hack Pentagon computers. Now what this appeal backbone is about is about whether you s, authorities, can reassure british authorities. that junior songs will be treated well enough in a U S prison, whether they can rely on those assurances. Of course, Julian Assange, Jeez Team and his fiance Strata Mars, say you can't she's just put a statement speaking of course she says at this decision is dangerous and misguided, a grave miscarriage of justice. It goes on to say: how can it be fair? How can it be right? How can it be possible to

strike. Julian's the very country which plotted to kill him, not ass. Referring to claims that they have made that the CIA, during a present troms time, looked at the possibility of try to kill Julian Assange. Look say this now makes it much more like the Judaism's reappeared appear there in the? U s. I bet you can't talk about this case. Without highlighting two things. One is that those diplomatic cables really? lot shudder lights on the Iraq and Afghanistan war. You remember, for example, those shilling images but she had caught her eye killing Civilians in IRAN, including two reaches a you. Can you have to talk about that and you also have to about a Judas oranges apparent vendetta against Hillary Clinton, which led him engage with the Russians over those over those leaks. He's a very cold

character. Again, though, this case is not about all that, it's about a very simple question of whether he can be treated fairly in a year prison ride, indices gear Simmons? Thank you. So much greatly appreciate is always a clear me, ask all their there. There is a lot of smoke surrounding Julian Assange. Of course, there are the charges in Sweden that were subsequently dropped. There is the hacking and his vendetta against Hillary Clinton, there is information that was released that showed military malfeasance The United States now but We did so interesting that used to be the far after your to oppose George W Bush is wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Who may this guy, a hero, the guy's and first amendment, and then,

When he started leaking information against Hillary Clinton, it became the Trump right suddenly hell? Julian is so, but let's just because the power takes up. This is a prosecutor you're, given this case, and you ve got it I stolen thousands of documents, a pages of highly classified national security documents, rules, SAM to the world and and in so doing, put the lives of was troops of people who were working with the United States allies collaborators in war zones in the gravest of danger under under any scenario you take politics out of it, and- and This is an open and shut case. This is not the Pentagon papers. This was at times editors rifling through documents figuring out I could be released and what could be released and explaining? This was a guy,

They got stolen documents and gay to the world, this is pretty soon Kay since very straightforward, and the beauty of a trial, Joe, is You narrow all of the extraneous stuff to the charges than our lie there there against the defendant and Charges in this case are the he was trying to. into our midst. Terry information that protect not just our country. but all the men and women in uniform around the world it is really serious stuff forget about the politics. The fact that both the right and the left don't lie. Julia Sondra, love Julian Assange, depending on the circumstances and being talked about should tell you all you need to know. This is really a guy who just violated the law, and you know last. If this fight against extradition is that their worried about his safety in prison, they really have

don't have perspective on this. There are lots and lots of people who go to federal prison who have died Billy worse things, vengeance, Sarge and they are protected in prison. I don't think he needs to worry about whether non you'll be safe in prison, This is really just a smokescreen to try to keep him from ever being a cop for the rule of law. You know we started talking about truck being accountable. really important piece for the american rule of law to give him back the United States and face these charges. Be in an american courtroom soon still had on morning Joe, we will play the new interview from former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, blaming Donald Trump Forgiving, covert and blasting mark meadows for keeping transfer positive covered test, a secret another revelation from the new meadows book this time with tromp, reportedly wanting a law enforcement to quote Some heads will tell you: what are you talkin about there and,

and my sit down interview with former secretary of state in presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton. She has a mess it's too Republicans and to her fellow debt grants and how they need to start running through Hold on to Congress, will be right back and mourning Jack they everyone, it's true, mainly MSNBC, correspondent and host of the package. into America, We all know the line that the arc of them, The universe is long, but it bends towards justice and, looking back on this year, there, means when they built true and other times when I was so sure so this week on into America

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the day. It's our only different, so let's get into it, what's happening right now what it means for you for an hour every day I get it. I know it can be hard to keep up. So let's get started together and go from their pay and highly Jackson, and we have a time gone on. Here's the deal, how we judge the amount we do so far. On these issues, I will get back to morning Joe Happy Friday. It is six thirty, six he's caused beautiful beautiful. Look at the White House right now, flags flying half staff, from course for Bob Dull Bob dull hope you ve had a good week of you're looking for you, a great We can work I'm looking for this week into your interview with Hillary Clinton. She is she's been too

about this master class she's going to be doing online and, of course, I heard detractors on the right have been I can hear saying: oh she lost, I don't want to hear about it and I just they're in Bermuda makes taking, exactly who you wanna talk to anybody. That's ever succeeded as, as had setbacks able from Abraham Lincoln to pick any any sport store Just absolutely fascinated by her story and in what she's going to tell and you got to sit down and actually talk to her about it. Yet we talked about

his master clashes, giving and resilience. That's that online education platform that people can sign up for, but it turned into a conversation about so much more. We can talk about the would be victory speech that she gives in the master class the speech he was wanted to give on the election night. Two thousand sixteen- and never did, of course, but we talked about a lot more. She have some advice from Democrats and Joe You talked about Republicans, many of whom she served with in the United States Senate. Had good feelings about had worked with maybe disagreed with, but thought they shared something in common until Donald Trump came along and she stared ass, yourself what happened to them here, Celery Clinton. This. Guy has no basis at all in law or fact, there's not a single, credible piece of evidence. He does not care. He wants to destroy this country's institutions and sadly the Republican Party, It's gone along with him and for the life of me

who I knew that I served with fallen line on the outrageous accusations they make. Whether it's against Doktor Tony found she or tending that what happened on January six wasn't an inch reckon honestly They have hung their spines upon the wall as they walk into their offices. They have no conscience, they have no spine and we seeing the results of a party that has been taken over by demagogues, and we know history. That's not good news that scary news and we have to do much more than we're doing now to fight back against this theory organised effort, to undermine our elections to put into place laws. Regulations that are contrary to fair process to fair voting and I I would

there. Still too many people are like ours. It can't be that bad or can it can't go that far its failure of imagination and I wrote after January six, at one of the findings, after nine eleven by the nine Eleven Commission was a failure, machination after January six. I think it still is a failure imagination, TAT, the Graefe Zu, its committees in the house particularly are trying to get to the bottom of what happened. there is no sense of duty or honour on the part of many of the people that worked for Trump. They don't want to cooperate Probably their complicity in some way, and they don't want that to be proven I am very worried and it didn't and with his defeat- and you know we

it's time to decide whether we're gonna be a grown up country or not. Are we going to give in to all of this all these lies in this information and this organised. or to undermine our rule of law are instead are we gonna stand up to it? it is a time for choosing whirling. Those are some important, important common and for those listing the Hillary Clinton talking about her former republican colleagues and say well, she's just a Democrat and they ve been at odds for some time. I beg, of course, as you know, if at the same experience with many people who close friends who I was in the political bunker with through that ninety melodies and enter the early two thousands of people that new friends were friends with friends with families who are just. unrecognizable now people of principle who

so many of them, principles aside when Donald Trump came into town and it is since it is how did tat? I was going to say confounding thing I've seen and in political life is, I think, confounding thing I've seen in my life period personally professionally are politically. saying nothing like it in It also important note Hillary Clinton Willie hadn't. They respect among the report Can colleagues she worked with the United States threat lot bent over backwards talking about what a hard worker she was so her talking about her former. We can. Colleagues, she saw. People who were friends colleagues that she doesn't recognise anymore? You, I think there was

You were genuine shock from her and from a lot of people and from you with your friends that they're all these lines that were cross and he thought people would say. Ok that not for me to go all the way back to the campaign went down from criticized John Mccain. Would that be too much for some Republicans? What about the Muslim Ban and then going all the way to January six and talking about the twenty twenty election we're lines that were cross and Republicans, even if they criticise them briefly always fell back in line, and I think that's part of what surprised Hillary Clinton about people like frankly, Lindsey Graham and others that she worked very closely with as a senator. She also Joe talked about Democrats that we got to talking about what happened in Virginia. She had some thoughts about how Denmark need to run if they want to hold on to Congress in twenty twenty two and hold onto the White House and twenty twenty four, and not just focus. Some of those deep blue issues that many Democrats seem to talk about most just what she said. I think that it is

a time for some careful thinking about what wins, elections, and not just in deep blue districts where a a crowd and a liberal Democrat or so called progressive Democrat is going to win first, we don't know what the state of the map is going to be after all of the redistricting. It appears as though the Republicans in another states are doing their best to eliminate on as many seats that Democrats can be competitive, and I am so. We ve gotta be very clear eyed about what is going to take to hold the house and the Senate in twenty twenty two. I understand why people want to argue for their priorities. That's what they believe they were elected to do but at the end of the day, nothing is going to get done if you dont have a democratic majority in the house in the Senate, and our majority comes from people who win in much more difficult districts

and our majority in the Senate comes from people who can win and not just Blueskin its and hold those wines, as we saw didn't happen in Virginia Bud, can in in more purplish states, so look. all about having vigorous debate? I think it's it's good and it it gives people a chance to be part of the process But at the end of the day it means nothing if we don't have a congress that will get. things done, and we don't have a white house that we can count on to be seen and sober and stable and productive Clare. I suspect can relate to some of those comments having a want, run and win in exactly the kind of place she's talking about hard places for Democrats too, I think, she's also obliquely, referring to people like here's, the cinema, imagine you say what you can criticise your mansion, all you want, but if he doesn't win in West Virginia

then we don't have. The Senate rose boil and was thirty four, which united the capital in January. Six. Three days later, I learn shoes from my home town from MSNBC amendment. He dean, and this is I can radical historian how one woman became a foot soldier in one of the most dangerous movements in America happens quickly, just going from being a totally apolitical person to dying Travelodge sinks. American radical, the newest MSNBC original potash hearings, search for american radical wherever you are listening and follow. What is missing in Mean asked a simple question, meaning he and the one in a nice asked what matters to them and what must be clear. It is about work. The angle, Sir Knight errant MSNBC, would have special coming question. Afforded specifically, are you going taught me three or process care about

what you fun. If no now, when and if not us, repress then who if what you discovered doesn't match, your expectations can, in fact, as far as keep asking yourself hard questions, confident not be tough on the answers. It's just not true fever facts over conspiracy. What should american citizens know relying on experts not influence? They are now going to debate it again and vote again. Entrust standards over here said at MSNBC. This is what we do in this yeah. yeah. You know only Clinton pointing this out is really really a big. Oh, and I hope that the progressive wing of my party takes it to heart, the power comes from Jordi. The majority comes from the middle, because we're not talking about places that are bright, blue, we're talking about places where they do care. Whether or not parents feel like

Have any control over their child school forget about what specifically there. Eugene. It's about Anderson I think that in these times parents unaware of these parents in the suburbs, women mothers in the suburbs came to Joe Biden because he- was the care of the middle. Not only was the candidate of the extreme and if we don't get there, if we spend our time talking about those things, that bright, blue places want to focus on and not on the things that moderates well here. We are not there the majority and Mitch Mcconnell and either speaker trappers. Speaker, Heaven, Mccarthy, we'll come lately blow up the last two years: abiden Ministration and the things we really care about could really go by the wayside. God forbid the doll Truscott reelected to another Jarvis President, so

Claire listening to Hillary Clinton speak about that baby you have to win and and this eggs that are difficult to win and you ve got a win in states like Missouri, like you did, states like Arkansas like Bill Clinton, did that's the key it reminds me of I just got an old David Shore tweet from a couple of months ago. Of course, David was one of the smart guys running Obama's data operation and he cited Nate come thread that was so important and any said, Everything Democrats thought about the two thousand and eight action, were long Och Obama's strength. Not come from

well just read it here: Obama's decisive strength was among white working class Northerners As a result, major strategic choices, strategic choices flowed from this erroneous interpretation of the american electorate Obama. was gone, gun control and especially legal immigration. Rewarding four seemingly deciding the election in his favour. Big, swap and the GEO P establishment embraced it too. In doing so, a lot of the conditions for trumps victory fell into place. Democrats meanwhile, led into a strategy that basically omitted the white Working class entirely. A huge white education gap has emerged in Obama's ratings by evolve. Thirteen or maybe fourteen points and That's why you have people like me, your former Republicans. getting up and go and wait wait a second. How did a Republican when Wisconsin? How did it public and when Iowa, how did republic in one I called Pennsylvania fools gold for years.

and it is because the media name home is talking about the New York Times David Shores, talking about every body and in his operation, Miss Red, Barack Obama, strength, Barack bombers, string, wasn't shut, with the ascendant class of Americans. With this this new majority. It was actually with white working class voters across the north West, would go into counties where Democrats usually didn't go and instead of losing by fifty points, would lose by twenty five points and that made the difference beyond the margins really matter Joe and Bear is there are, without their hiding high camp is a good example of someone who is every day pounding the podium that we have to do. We're all America, we don't have to win in Rural America, but we have to do

We have to remind whirl America how good it was for them economically under Democrats here we're voters that voted for black Obama, then Donald Trump, Joe by and right now they hang in the balance. It is those voters that will decide who holds the gavel in the house who the majority floor leader in the Senate and who occupies the White House and everybody needs to knit on those voters and talk about the things that matter to them Kitchen table and and and listen the other things are important and I know I'm gonna get. You know that in this isn't about abandoning progressive values. This is being smart about winning elections. That's the essence of what Hillary Clinton try to say, and I now be slowly, she laughed. What does she know clearly? What does she know? Well, let me tell you for people and run places that are right:

do we actually know a lot, but she won some elections. I, when elections and tough places We have many at the moderates of the Democratic Party and we can't just given the back of our had we gotta talk about those things. Look those voters care about that echo. The point Secretary Clinton was making Joe mentioned at the top of this segment, this master class, which is Raillery Clinton. Is doing a master class and resilience for this online education platform and one of the clips from that class has gotten the most attention is her reading of the would be victory speech from election night, two thousand sixteen. She was ready to deliver it at the Javert Centre in New York to break the the glass ceiling. Ever got the chance to rid, of course, she conceded the election the next day for this class, though she did sit down and re That speech- and it was quite an emotional moment for her ears, which he said. What compelled you

to sit down and revisit that speech. I wanted to be as helpful as I could to the viewers and to the process of being in a master class and I admit I was somewhat doubtful as you know right a concession speech, because even though we had a lot of bumps those last ten days, I still thought in a week oh it out and our polling and analytics suggested. We could- and so I worked on a speech, really was about my journey and had had real emphasis on my mother's life and journey cause. I had talked a lot about that during the campaign as a way of making it clear that, yes, I would be the first woman president, but I I Everybody I stood on the shoulders and live the lives and experiences of those who came before us so well.

Ask me to do it. I really had a hard time getting through it. I mean it, it power he was so it more shock. Is it brought back? What to me? Was a great loss, not just for me, but for our country with somebody like Trump getting elected despite everything, and I think as for years in office, sort of proved my fears about that, but it was also intensely personal, particularly at the end, where I talk about little girl. My mother was when she was put on a train in Chicago at the age of eight in charge of her in our younger sister by themselves to go, live, with her paternal grandparents, Gus her mother and father did want them more. I dream of going up to her and sitting down next to her taken her in my arms and say look at me. Listen to me. You will survive you will

Good family of your own and three children, and as hard it might be to imagine your d will grow up and become the present of the United States, people have known for a long time and say they ve never seen that level of public emotion from here. Well, that's probably true and a part of it really is when you're a woman in public. Life, and you are especially somebody who is trying to break that glassy, trying to knock down barriers. You kind of damned if you do and damned if you I mean if you show a motion that may connect with some people, but for a lot of people. It's like. I told you now a woman shouldn't? Have these jobs you now there too emotional suggests the last two minutes of speech is where she got emotional. Talking about her mother was the end of about a twenty minute speech, but

people remember her mother Dorothy was, as Secretary Clinton said, abandoned at eight years old sent with a three year old system. Train deliver. Their grandparents was mistreated and Secretary clan ending that speech that you never got to give. Of course, by talking your mother walking up to her on that train is an eight year old and base these thing hang in there. you're gonna, have a great life in your daughter's gonna become president of the United States are clearly a mix of feelings, about her own loss in the election, but also by her mother Oh, it's just so extraordinary, extraordinarily moving, a find. It find it hard to believe that anyone, fine criticism and cynically attack someone genda exposing themselves they're, so love the way your Secretary Clinton did there, and you know we all learned the older you get. You learned it characters to find more, not in victory

in their feet, how you brush yourself off pick yourself up new one in your character is sharpened and defined it is so much more in defeat. I know that they're going to be so many people that are going to see this we're going through their own battles, their own defeats, whether weather the loss of a loved one or set back at work in employment and personal relationships and they're going to be able to look at this and its it's gonna, provide I'm strengthen and clarify ask just thing to Secretary Clinton, number minded and are talking about going up to your mom. I'm a reminded of what an extraordinary tap trailblazer she was in the White House, as first lady as if she was as as could carry of state as she was ass. As you

It states Senator man, and I guess we're just so all I'm so all you know. I do ninety ninety, two as a world away, but it was a different world and Hillary Clinton man's scared a lot of people at ninety. Ninety two, when, when she came out and was was there was Tough and assertive strong. The way she was she was such a trailblazer? there's that he abuse heaped upon her through the years, but for all that people saying the Clinton she just go away. All those people on the far left assail the Clinton's eight I dont a year from the Clinton's support- Remember again, they want in Arkansas Bill Clinton First democratic get reelected twice and safety are left. Despite all of these problems,

he left for the sixty percent approval. Writing Hillary Clinton. Who did an extraordinary job. His secretary of state left that child with a sixty percent approval rating and has such an extraordinary career, going all the way back to the early seventys on the ways and Means committee. During the Watergate hearings, what an extraordinary legacy- and so many lessons for her to teach younger Americans yeah. It's very emotional, to watch her on me. I couldn't help it get chopped up at the United in what she The encapsulates Joe is for women in power, ex especially when you reach a certain level like being first lady or running for the: U S, Senate or being Secretary of State or for God's sake, twenty four I said it is: u navigate the issue of vulnerability and Hillary Clinton

tat so much so early that she adopted the ethos of art, gotta be really tough and I can't show vulnerability and that is a real hard issue for women, because if you are vulnerable, then you're reliable. And she really wanted to be so strong and never ever show weakness that I think that, Where is she showed her raw? emotion about her mother is so powerful. I just hope everybody who has someone in their family who thinks Hillary Clinton is a bad person They should watch release interview, get them to watch Willie's interview and I think they walk way with new respect for the woman, an image well? She had to navigate. Well, she did it and deserving of our respect and quickly Joe

Point that Claire making she goes in great depth about running as a woman, and she talks about the second debate. Remember when Trump kind of was walked up and was looking over her, and she talked to me about everything that was going through her head in that moment. Do I confront him to make joke about it will say all she doesn't stand up the Donald Trump. How can you stand up decision paying? How can you stand up to Putin, the things that were going through had had you run as a woman expand out that conversation as well. Well and end. Of course. It's not like. She had a lot of examples to lean on, because this is the first woman in position she again Trailblazer, who has now made sure that the next woman that is in that position will know Exactly what to do and when they know what to do feel have Hillary Clinton Thank for it clear Mc Caskey!

Thank you so much. I just can't wait like clear. I can't wait to see Willie sit down with Hillary Clinton this weekend. on Sunday today. Oscar winning producers, Brian Grazer Enron, Howard MSNBC Films presents the story of visionary flinch, artist, J R papering tonight at ten p M Eastern MSNBC and in selected