The Morning Joe panel discusses AG William Barr's recent NBC News interview and his remarks about the FBI and the Russia probe. Joe Scarborough calls for a higher standard going forward for becoming attorney general.
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They say a really important data. Have you on, along with cod,
that's an associate editor for the Washington Post, David Ignatius. And U S national editor. At the financial Times, Edward,
joining us from Washington this morning? There's so much happening right now, Joe that
Basically, if you view blank, you might miss it so nobody blank just look at yesterday, House Democrats announced this was the big story. We thought articles of impeachment against the president shortly after nine p m after we went off the air and now
later they were announcing a bipartisan trade deal at noon
attorney general, William BAR, was back at it, putting politics above the FBI. Next,
it was the tromp administration, giving Russia a bull horn to lie about
its meddling in american democracy, the present
spun his own stories later that even in Pennsylvania, airborne, including false claims about the progress of his border wall,
In reality, a federal judge was busy blocking is attempt to fund the project with money slated for the military
also last night, the president attacked
Lisbeth, worn in jarring terms.
Did that heavy heavy book to steal
give credit. I thought is left for her. I've been there would like
Little embers
and then she rose she rose and she became strong. But then she opened that fresh mouth of hers and stop it's that our eye, but wait
more Joe there's a new pull out via this morning take a look at this Joe Biden, Bernie
Anders PETE Buddha Judge, are in a statistical tie.
Biden. What twenty three point Sanders up nine points since October now at twenty two percent boot
Judges at eighteen,
worn, was tied for first place two months ago, and this pole show
now in fourth place down
eleven points at twelve percent, also notable and nine
gain for Amy Closure has or hitting double digits for the first time at ten percent, Joe, your pic
story. Well, I guess you this morning made there so many stories. I think I think the eternity
dates literally tearing a page from really counts,
once playbook and just blatantly lie.
Lie attacking
inspector general for the D o J, it's just what it
during the discrimination case when, when Donald Trump
His father were found guilty of
screw emanating against minorities.
And- and it was Roy Coun who went out and ends
outrageous things attacking get. This attacking the
YO, J and the
we are in accusing them of being spies, accusing them of being under
cover agency literally heeded
literally is parroting. Aren't you bet you ve got
Republicans parroting, Vladimir Putin, you literally
William Bore parroting what are the most despicable
creatures. Of
what he had century
in american politics
the man who made Mccarthyism possible but he's
meriting Roy counselled, I'm trumpets, has found his Roy come well.
Go to attorney general. Why embarrass exclusive interview with NBC News, despite
the findings of the Justice Department Inspector General report. He still claims that the FBI
may have operated out of bad faith when it in
estimated. The Trump campaign
in twenty? Sixteen speaking with envy
he's. Pete Williams BAR essentially dismissed the eye jeez conclusion
that there was no evidence of political bias. When the F b I launched its Russia probe, argue
that is hand, pick prosecutor,
Durham, will have
final say bar also
stood by his assertion that the trunk
campaign was spied on.
Are our nation was turned on its head for three years. I think, based on a completely
august narrative that was largely flam, fanned
and hyped by, an irresponsible press
and I think that there were gross abuses
of Pfizer and inaccessible.
The bull behaviour that is intolerable and the FBI,
in one area. I do disagree with the ip, and that was whether they were sufficient predication to open a full blown counter intelligence investigation, specifically using the techniques that they did to collect intelligence about the Trump campaign, the core
statement. In my opinion, by the eye g, is that these
regularities these misstatements. These omissions were now
satisfactorily explained,
and I think that leaves open the possibility to infer bad faith
You still stand by your statement that that the campaign was
upon all thoroughly spider.
I mean that's. What electronic surveillance is. I think wiring people up to go in and talk to people and make recordings of their conversations is spying. I think going through people's emails, which they did as a result of the fire a warrant. They went through everything
it's it's, I don't know where to begin Willie, but
so here is that we let let me find this really quickly, while, while its socket
work for me. So I'm
very challenged this morning, we all by but again
you heard him talking about them being spied on it, the F B, I again the
this is the language that rule
cone used attacking the deed
o J and the FBI
in the nineteenth Seventys, when the federal government caught Donald Trump and his father discriminating
minorities and and he's doing the same thing, but he's
attorney general of the United States. He talked about a
years a bogus narrative and evil aims
it an evil,
it on an irresponsible press Willie. I just
we don't have to. I don't
to remind you of the fact that the
of the United States. First now
National security adviser found guilty of a felony
the president's campaign manager found guilty of a felony and will profit
we spend the rest of his life in jail,
presidents, long time, lawyer and fixer found guilty,
He was in the middle of a bad illegal hush money scheme that violated
If ye see laws, the presidencies
sent campaign manager found guilty
and, in the same with the bandit he claimed
one of his top foreign policy advisers found guilty. We
go through the numbers. They are absolutely astounding. The number of people connected Donald Trump, who were found guilty of a federal
crime spending time in jail
and are turn states evidence against other people and administration and of
Ass, Roger Stone, found guilty.
You just Willie
You talk continues his war on the department
just as this was the work of the Department of Justice, not the deep state than this.
Federal judges. These were federal judges that found these men guilty and yet
the he's talking about how he's blaming blaming
This on quote an irresponsible press he's print.
Acting when he talks about inexplicable behaviour.
That is intolerable. He actually should direct that back at them
who who is working for while the drop and speaking of projecting have our calling this a bad faith. Investigation again he's talking about a deep state conspiracy,
is effectively as the attorney general of the United States. Echoing Donald Trump claims that this was all a deep state conspiracy, despite all the conviction, do laid out, despite all the good faith in them.
The gate by the men and women of art
urgent services, the men and women of the FBI he
the very day that the the Idee report came out from
his own justice department. He sat
P Williams, who do a breathtaking interview, worthy undermined every piece of that I e g report again from his own justice Department and David Ignatius. If that's not bad faith, I dont know what is he knows better.
To say that I find approved surveillance programme is called spying. He knows better than all this, but again he views his first job now as defence
the President of the United States,
like you enjoy. I felt that a turn John BAR really crossed a line, and his comment just today for all
as partners in ships seeming partisanship before this was different,
and the reason it was different, was that he was attacking not
enemies in Congress, not even really the press was attacking
Own justice, development, inspector generals, report and public
disagreeing with it and making
while the allegations of bad faith not supported against them.
People lead our nations key law enforcement
investigative urgency it
stored in everything from attorney general. Do that that job and our government is different,
for cattle lie on the attorney general to back up the orally
process whereby the apartment investigates its own. That's what the inspector general
something is really broken. He's now: gonna turn to his hand, picked past
Durham, whose
we come out with his own statements, rebutting the inspector general sure for absurd
he disagrees, he's lying down his marker.
My fear, is that we are now heading into conflicting legal narratives of what happened
coming as currently in danger of becoming versions of with, with with two versions of
What's going on our part, I sat seems now to be embedded the justice
soft and it's really dangerous. You know it.
Is really dangerous and make you and I for that
ass three years have had a debate on whether America's
institutions will be sufficient to check Donald Trump and away where will be strong,
our even stronger from this challenge on the other side and
I've always said our institutions will check him.
Macedonia and democracy
I can't I'm not a big believer in going in, and talk about constitutional conventions are changing this part of the government or that part of the government. I would
say three years and
that is the one area where our system,
obviously needs to be checked has to do with the appointing of an attorney general, and I was saying this before bar became
attorney general there. I
think there has to be a higher for
the pine higher barred and becoming attorney general of the United States. Maybe it's a tooth
The vote in the Senate to tests alive
and remove somebody wage.
Can't have any president
being an attorney general who will protect them from
where, where no better than some some banana Republic
reviews on Banana Republic right now
and Donald and that's exactly what what is
up and William BAR
moving as towards there has to be
higher threshold for somebody becoming attorney general of the United States. That is the one area of reform.
I think a lot of people are going to be looking at when Donald Trump leaves office.
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So, let's look at the conflicting legal narratives, TAT, David Ignatius brought up and what we are moving toward, which is what your mood
toward Joe but Admirals to breed us twenty thousand feet. What is it
look like I'm just it. No order of importance here, though
house in the president, reportedly
devaluing the truth, alternative facts,
Ukraine scandal alternative fats.
So what was laid out in the
hearings with multiple witnesses, servants undergrowth telling
Americans. What happened to
foreign leaders laughing at the president on the world stage mocking him laughing out loud, three
what we just saw yesterday, the attorney general in the President, a United States undermining repeatedly undermining our intel agencies, are Intel servants, people who
work for America. What is this look like to you, you're not going to
Enver tomorrow, and I'm gonna give a commencement speech at Metropolitan State University, which is a kind of
Many thousands student enterprise were sixty
I presented this students are the first in their family to go to college. What I'm gonna talk about is the federal
his papers versus the novel, the Lord of the flights,
She is really a collision between order and rule
of law,
an increasing anarchy
we see evidenced with this peace.
You just mentioned, but also make up. You know
Nature said a moment ago, returning general special position I'll give you two others secretary
defence hand
however, the CIA, those too
positions are so central to these institutions and when we
have to worry about whether can inspect
General is gonna, be overridden in one of those three positions. You start to feel
that need or moving from the federalist papers towards
the island in the Lord of the fox. So take a look at this. This is the president last night calling the
b? I scum
the FBI also sent multiple undercover human spies gears
val and record people associated with our campaign, look how they ve hurt people, they ve
drawing the lives of people that we're great people. That is still great people their lives.
Been destroyed by scum, ok, bye, scum,
and I lawyer forged took a male forged Ford.
An email man used as evidence in that way
is now the subject of a crime
referral
what they did is so unbelievable.
I look forward. I don't know I don't nice keep away. I look forward to bull dirhams
bored, that's the one I see it in
and there you go at Louis we ve already. We now have to I e reports that have shown that
that there was no bias in
this is in the investigation beginning
The facts have been laid bare, and yet you have Donald Trump
calling FBI agents, scum, calling FBI, agents, scum and
and that's bad enough. Even
even more disheart,
you have people cheering the description of the poor
the United States, calling FBI agents quote scum. This is
Something, no president has ever done unless it's a president of Russia
some other enemy of the United States of America,
it isn't is unprecedented in in this country should be,
a dimension that Monday was you and genocide day while genocide day in them. The insect inspector general issue
the statement saying that articles didn't begin in the gas chambers it began years before with hate speech. Now I'm not so.
Think for a moment, America is going to end up with genocide, but the
dehumanizing language that the president's, as used initially
was mostly about Muslims and illegal immigrants, and the media is now
is now spreading into political opponents, people who work and for the federal
government, including in the FBI,
Anybody who gets in his way and words are not just words. They suffer people up, they make the climate more permissive,
and as I say, they dehumanize the people
the words are targeted at and
calling the FBI scum the day after the,
inspector general prayers.
Agency of political bias in beginning its investigation of the campaign says
There was no link between the steel dossier and the FBI
this decision will only let several weeks later about the existence of this,
he'll dossier. The FBI's decisions to start that have
within minutes the president,
and the attorney general and people across Washington describe. That report is the opposite of what it found
it's just that it's it's a new level of of mandates
of lying, but that I think you know he's gonna have consequences it's it's it's getting
ass. An AIDS is it's it's this information and yeah. Maybe maybe we don't want to compare it to Nazi Joe
in nineteen thirty three, but maybe we,
You compare it to Russia and Vladimir,
and regime now too,
urban regime in Hungary now
two other autocrat,
actor, who use language
in a way to see
average their opponents did today human
eyes, their opponents and most
importantly and and- and this is the key and in
talk receives in democracies- that move to autocracy,
the key is the iter,
talking of the press, the attacking
of an independent judiciary and the attacking
the Intel agencies. You know Willie.
There is a reason why aside is now
parroting, Donald Trump and talking about faked
there's a reason why other dick
taters across the planet when they get caught
when rights, violations, Parrot Donald Trump and
about fake news, why
earn is doing the same thing? They're all reading from the same playbook and, of course, we
a matter. Sony democracy that ice.
I believe
keeps a strong and will bring.
Does as a nation, but every day
drop and the attorney
general. The United States now, and so many of Donald Trump supporters are doing everything.
I can t make true
we'll trumps vision of the constitution, that that article two
the present, the United States, unlimited power,
and, as you say, the present I'd say you can't do it alone. He's got a lot of help from his attorney general he's that help from his Secretary of State he's gotta help up and down the line create
this narrative around him that his campaign,
Russia did not work together. That Russia did not somehow put its thumb on. The scale have help him get elected president, and you know who's enjoying this with Serbia Lazarev yesterday, as he stood next to my palm pale and said before
the cameras. This is a
This idea, the idea that Russia interfered in the election, its nonsense, despite what all the Intel agencies, if that, despite what the Molly Report said,
she enjoying that's for sure
She was someone who worked in the government. Take a crack at the human scum comment that the present made about the FBI.
But what he's doing what attorney general bar doing are seizing on that part? True of the idea report
that it was a mess, defies application that mistake at the mistake, was made in getting the five applications but ignoring the broader point of the report, which was
the investigation of the trunk campaign was properly predicated. It was clear as day in the hygiene report.
There's so much a park or see just in abundance, heaps of it that it's hard to even know where to start when you have been barred lecturing about warrantless surveillance. That, I believe is General Council to rising. He work hand in hand with the government to implement
now he's up on his pedestal. Suddenly a libertarian crews,
later. You look at
max is authoritarianism. The desire for authoritarian continuity
For authoritarian,
two new anti among Donald Trump.
All of his enablers. That's
through wine? It's not a fight for liberty, it's not a fight for them
I you see Secretary of state mom, my palm pale. What he's done at the state department? You see how State Department, officials,
who career servants
making. Now what
happens when they speak out. You look at the Department of Defense and the war
criminals that had been pardon by this president up ending military discipline
and the values that so many of our service, men and women hold dear just because
dear leader, says this is our value added to the list I made for you
Two quick comments. One is in I've spent
much of my life work and with the intelligence agencies and the FBI. These people are any
but scum. These are terrific Patria too.
Up every morning to protect the country. It's really
extraordinary, a president use a word like tat and then
Secondly, just back to labourer then leases excellent comment. It just a job.
The position of president being impeached and then what happens
the Foreign Minister of Russia, has a private
whose door meeting with him with conflicting reports about what they discussed really
in the middle of investigations with Russia, Ukraine, that false narrative
two are
storm warnings, we would say in the: U S Navy. Well,
storm warnings that David Ignatius. If, if we're in the middle of
storm of our constitutional public
in the middle of the storm, but I suspect, if we were able to fly at thirty thousand feet above it and looked down like the planes that looked down at
Hurricanes ads are moving towards the shore. We,
see. There is a recurring pattern and Nancy Pelosi revealed it
weeks ago, when she said all roads lead the person I you just look at all
things that we ve been concerned about. We could talk about Ukraine. Of course we can talk about Donald Trump
goes around the White House saying that Ukraine is not quote a real country. That's straight from the mouth
of LAD, a mere potent you can talk about our
against ISIS and Donald Trump, saying that Russia can have the Middle EAST where first time
America's, let Russia in the Middle EAST, since nineteen, seventy three so now he's
King maker
and that area new you can.
Let's say I wrote a few things down here:
You also you have Donald Trump when
calling the FBI Scarlet it. It's really.
Actually quite consistent with him standing up in Helsinki.
Telly Vladimir Putin, the world very trusts that Ex KGB agents word worth
Does the word of our own Intel community when
his Intel community leaders, who held
press conference and said Rob.
Imposes the greatest threat to american democracy than anybody, and, and
the constant attacks on the entire community. These are all well
can even go back David back to the two thousand fifteen interview, meek and I had with them where we were shocked in December of Detail
fifteen, when they set out potent kills people, but we kill people too. It is that
sort of, and you know this better than anybody. It is that sort of moral relativism, ninety between the United States and Russia, but this
The union preached first,
the years
so we ve talked since the days of the campaign, certainly since the inauguration of about this extraordinary way, the Trump
in the beginning, has undermined our national security agencies, the CIA, the FBI that did not begin yesterday,
for general bar and seemed to be taking, as you said, seem to be
in the side of our greatest adversary,
his wife food needs,
in most key foreign
I'll, see in an that's continued. The only
I'd say, is more democracy if people thank them.
Pressure is, is not serving our countries siding with
its enemies. In these instances the remedy is there and in two ways impeachment I've got. The resolution that you have treatment are worth that were put by the house yesterday, and then we have elections coming up in a member and
in so many ways, this story really is about what kind of country we are and whether people take seriously this. The things were talking about this morning,
take seriously this. The things were talking about this morning and reflect on them.
Is it just, isn't right we're going to make changes?
Yeah I'll use nautical term were drifting away from
federalist papers were drifting away from this mad estonian democracy. We haven't put food
speed on the ship yet, but we are drift.
And we need to be mindful of distant put about none that everything we ve been talking about here meagre yesterday, one person did speak out in defence of the FBI was Director Christopher RE. He said
Brain did not meddle in the election, he defended the FBI and what did he get? A tweet
the present United States attacking him. The message is clear:
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campaign. Adrian L, Radice is with us she's an MSNBC contributor endemic
NBC political analyst and former chairman of the Republican National Committee, Michael Steele, joins us. Let's talk about that new
pull out of Iowa that we showed you at the top of the show, Joe Biden
Bernie Sanders and PETE Buddha judge our in as statistical tie Biden with twenty three points,
Sanders up nine since October, and now a twenty two percent and Buddha Judge
is at eighteen percent Elizabeth WAR,
and is now in force, plays in this pole, down
Levin points. First of all Joe. What do you make of it?
well, a lot of poles coming at us. This, I will raise continues to move,
We still have a couple of mice as as Rios ACE, it is still a long way to go. Bide Adra,
There's she dared trend lines here that are just to undeniable one. Is that
by has held a zone he's, at least in this ball, he's infer
its place in a state where a lot of people are expecting a third
fourth place Finnish, just a few weeks ago,
course, Elizabeth, worn continues. Her numbers continue to drop again. It's early.
I'll, say what I've been saying from the very beginning. Joe Biden is in this.
Position. Barack Obama wasn't two thousand eight. If he went
Iowa here
on his way to the demand,
like nomination, because all of us
who is survive until South Carolina chances are good. Those older
like voters who support him in such huge numbers.
Carry him toward the finish line
he's gotta get past. I went to win their what estate?
that would make yeah yeah
Actually, right Joe, I mean Joe Biden has really withstood some serious attacks in this campaign trail on the fact that he is
Still, it is back in number one though never one spot, and I was pretty significant them very good sign for his campaign and to your point,
He wins Iowa, it's pretty much in given that he's gonna win South Carolina if he wins Iowa in when South Carolina he's gonna, be a very, very hard candidates and beat
going into Super Tuesday evening, because if they have so much momentum, I think Brinkley anybody who comes out of the first.
We're states with two wins is going to be a significant place going and choose
Tuesday now
with war, I'm I'm Wilson.
She comes back up? I think you're kind of you're still sort of saying that the song and dance with some of these candidates and campaigns to your point.
So early
are starting to make decisions that they're starting the land on a candidate they're starting to come home, decide who they wanted.
Lord, who they're going to be well for the long haul in if I,
Joe Biden Campaign- and I know they're pretty excited about this Paul because I've talked to them.
They are feeling pretty good about where they are, and I at this point
well today, then it's just a snapshot of today, but today it certainly looks like
by doing more than a holding serve in Iowa, that's what he has to do with Iowa New Hampshire. He has to survive until
of Carolina might born, and if he does a chance,
you're very good, looking at all of the poles and looking at the fact that now
other candidate. This raises is why I can say this with such confidence, at least as of today now
candidate in this race? Has
support among older black.
The Joe Biden does it is the most important demographic and the Democratic Party that
One of the reasons why Elizabeth Warren so badly needs to when I
Our new Hampshire, because, like PETE Buddha,
like Bernie Sanders, like other top contenders
Does it have an end with black voters in the Democratic Party were a couple of points
Joe, when you talk to the Biden people, it's pretty clear that this seven or eight days straighten ion is buster hell
TIM enormously, because a lot of people get to see him up close to here and talk to him touch him. The other aspect in the book.
Campaigns, progress in Iowa and elsewhere? They feel strongly. Is it he contrasts
vividly with what happens in Washington DC.
You see a very loud boisterous president, each night on tv, calling FBI, agents, scum and then use
the former vice president of the United States, competent com, reflective familiar
and they gravitate towards him. The other.
Second abiden campaign that they are acutely aware of this, that with Warren, despite the number that is posted on that screen, still has
the best field operation in iowa- and it is only the second week in December- and as you pointed out- there is still a ways to go so be wary of Elizabeth, worn, she's, an electric performer.
She could come back song like. I just think the crazier that president an ax, if you would consider its behaviour crazy, the better for biden- yes
I think that on real, like equation that
I out I'll what you hear from the Bible, people in Ireland and elsewhere, and you hear it if you'd just walk around. You know this people
a lot of people just want. This country calmed dying, something's wrong at the very least, even if their worried about other things, undressed
They play a couple of national poles to show you the latest from Monmouth University has Joe by
Senator Bernie Sanders statistically tied Biden with twenty
six percent up three points since last month Sanders it
anyone up. One point centre was with Warren, has been a boy. She dropped six point since
support since November now at seventeen percent Mayor PETE Buddha Judge, has an ape
percent situation going here down one end
former mayor, Michael Umber, comes in fifth place with five percent of support nationally. Let's look at the new Quinnox
University National Pole, Joe Biden up five points since last month, with twenty nine percent support, Senator Sanderson, worn statistically tied at seventeen percent and fifteen percent respectively outta.
Nine percent down seven five percent of voters back former mayor, like a Bloomberg, run up to
Andrew Yang has four percent. Also up to
Six and ten democratic voters say they change their mind
six and ten democratic voters say they may change their mind about who they
support during
next year's primaries. Thirty,
percent,
their mind is made up. Pleader. If you take all those poles in total name, we don't mention enough- is Bernie Sanders. Gm Bernie Sanders he's up nine points in Iowa in this latest bullies hanging around near the top of the pact in the national pulling. He had thought
heart condition allow, while back and peoples that ok, that might be the end for the sign that maybe he's too old to run for president. Well, if you look at the pulling, the opposite has happened.
Surged, if he wins Iowa there be no question that he be front runner in New Hampshire. Is how and who knows what happens from there, but
Bernie Sanders again coming right. There till the end,
yeah you now we learn in twenty. Sixteen on Hillary Clinton campaigns. Never underestimate Bernie Sanders I'm here.
Rebounded from his heart attack, and I think he also has benefited from the first
There are a lot of Elizabeth Warren supporters had concerns with the high cost of her Medicare for all plan right Fit issued two trillion dollars, so he has been
from that, but look when I
the things raised when I look at this force race now, I think about the fact that who's gonna get the
I guess that's really what matters here sure
stole in our nine eight weeks away from the forest caucus nation. But
look at anybody's polling between twelve and thirteen
and those are the ones that we really need to start looking at because they are the ones who can win the delegates. You gotta keep in mind
you have to receive fifteen percent of the popular vote in India, congressional disco
democratic primary in order of
and delegate so worse,
I look at short, Andrew Yang Great, that hit four percent, but his power
but we're gonna have a hard time getting some delegates and that's really what matters in this practice of Michael Steel looks look at these head to head match up according to a hypothetical quinnapin, pull the new general election if it were held today, a mature
voters said that they would back the top twenty twenty Democrats over President Trump in the hypothetical a match
Joe Biden by big. That's, not even close meek, and now it's not not even close
he leads trump by nine point. Fifty one to forty two percent so
Bernie Sanders- has an eight point advantage, fifty one while we but but burning-
Socialists make it that's not close either. I now
Warren leads tromp. My seven forty three Michael balloon bird with top the present he's richer, and he also means amend this pole. Forty eight to forty two gear up bad debt of judge. Forty eight to forty three senator Amy Clover Shore has a four point advantage over Trump forty, seven to forty three percent. Meanwhile Biden Trump split support among women and men. Fighting
AIDS among women, voters sixty two trumps, thirty four percent trump leads among men. Fifty one percent to bite. Forty two percent.
Those numbers say you Michael Steel,
Well, it says that's been zero dollars and one cents it it kind of justifies what you're, seeing in the Iowa poll and probably in the end of the other,
The primary polls that Joe Biden has
some resiliency that I think people really underestimated. The fact that he is too to Jos
editorial comment there.
Is as strong as he is relative to the president. I think is a
is something that, despite all the bravado from from the presidency team, there are concerned
Joe is competitive, and I think the numbers reflect that the other thing that
what was interesting about those numbers is where
Bloomberg is in this. Are you
apple his rise for a guy who just came into the race a few weeks ago, drop thirty seven million dollars is a five percent running
competitively against the president, not mad at the end of the pact, but getting close to the middle. The pact
is something also there's gonna be worth looking at particular when you consider a peep, outta judge
what was the darling in- and you know the the candidate to ensure that everyone was kind of fixated on
passing him in these types of poles says that Bloomberg May
catch on, in some degree we'll see, I think, of getting those debts,
gets, becomes a real problem for number these guys job by
might take away, is in the best position to move beyond and Joe. If I could just real quick one thing that you said earlier, I think you're right
while Joe in Iowa New Hampshire, but I must convey
yet that he needs to when I what I think
Joe rooms and a strong second or third in his,
his firewall is clearly South Carolina he's still gonna
that momentum. So I think, he's well position of all the canvas right now, as we do
in the corner into the new year and the ILO caucus.
I completely agree. He has to hold serve
and I went new hampshire- that maybe a second
he's vanish in wine. A third place finish in another and he can still
survive that if different fled, say Buddha, Judge Winds in Iowa and
Sanders or war and aware in New Hampshire he's in really good shape as yet take the turns out
South Carolina and, of course, Nevada,
as well,
really interesting about Might Bloomberg. The way Bloomberg is complete,
going into Super Tuesday, as you have yeah?
brooded Judge winning Iowa and Sanders winning in
New Hampshire and then
by winning in South Carolina three four days later, you have super Tuesday and its wide open, and theirs
clear front runner and Michael Bloomberg, stumped
tens of millions of dollars and these individual state that makes it, of course, very competitive.
Enough money to be on the air as much as has already been, and we see it. You watch
those states
he could in this will be a test of money in politics. Let's just say it I mean if you can spend enough money to be on the air as much as has already been, and we see it
watch tv anywhere and you see MIKE Bloomberg ad, but in Iowa and New Hampshire and can creep up a little bit we will see. I was looking that we can go back to the last pole. We had up about the
between men and women when it comes to Biden, Verses Donald,
That is an extraordinary number among women. Sixty two thirty,
war is Joe Biden lead over present
at least you know it will not help. Is Donald
yesterday at a rally,
Pennsylvania. Talking about Senator Elizabeth, worn and saying
she became strong, but then she
open that fresh mouth of hers. That's Donald Trump talking about a United States, senator the first time by the way he's talked about Elizabeth twenty quote fresh among
among women to the man. Who could be your opponent. You may not want to talk about women in those terms,
among women to the man. Who could be your opponent? You might not want
talk about women in those terms, do you think
it's a kind of language that suburban women in Pennsylvania that really resonates with them when they're not paying
much attention to the election, but they just her kind of sick of dealing with Donald Trump and, as are the sound bites and make it on the nightly news, the rectangle into. I wonder if, with this race, the democratic field
it's been so overly focused on being more
progressive than other candidates, and you look at me
Bloomberg? Being able to drop? Jumping he's not really a Democrat and
in national policies actually doing semi well, granted there only national poles you little is with worn. She seemed to be on the rise when she was moderating a bit before she said she was going to take away private insurance and then now competing
over, that Middle Lang seems to be where these candidates still have an opportunity for pickup half exactly
I bet you know you talk to anybody on the campaign trail and they will tell you that Elizabeth WAR and has such a solid ground game, and not just I away but also.
This support is she's, had people staffers
Ground for a long time, and that will make the difference, I think, having said
on the ground has been working on this
in voters and making sure that their voters get out. I mean that's gonna, make a huge difference. So
counting or out. I think she's kind of coming back down to realistic numbers, and if I was
but war, and I might not be too
that, I'm not you now in that, you know what top one or two spot right now, because you're underline
scrutiny and you're. Not you know, criticised criticized constantly if you're so
back in their number three or number four spot
no, the ground game means everything, and I want you know that better than any of us
driven by a bit meagre if we do have a long way to go
with Warren has has a good chance of moving forward,
we can all of these balls and it just shows how fluid the dinner
Excite is only thing I wanted to touch on. Those national poet polls show Donald Trump there so badly to the guy. Here
I'll Sleepy Joe Biden nor the guy
the guy that day, he says, is a socialist who says he's a socialist himself art
the wall, many girls Pocahontas, who we attacks clay talking about her quote fresh mouth. Like he's,
back to the future. What what
let's just say, lousy out, but here you look,
look at all those national numbers me again. It's important to remember this race comes down to regard
so the national Paul's. This race comes down
perhaps Wisconsin Michigan
Pennsylvania, Florida, perhaps
North Carolina and I think
how to put Arizona in there is well those those states are all up programme.
Right now and the question is: who is going to do
the best and Wisconsin Michigan Pennsylvania
order, especially
I think more more Democrats right now we're starting to think it's Joe Biden, I've
so gonna say two Bygones binds bus tour through Iowa May
a wheel difference. You know he,
wasn't hiding. He was out there on the campaign trail. He got it
come back and forth. You may not have liked by all the german guys around get tat, although all the dumb dump, you better, believe it Jack, I believe, a jack if you dont, if you don't go,
I challenge you to do? The push up by people, people like Joe Biden
and that's evident in that Paul. Its evident in that bus strip,
across Iowa the campaign? Does it lead,
keep myself aid. They need to keep your mouth there shaking hands with people have work, be they know what to do. When I write coming up at his pencil, Daniel Rally last live President Trump
set as administration and started winning in court. When it comes to his border wall with Mexico, he must not have
about the latest ruling by a federal judge,
they had a morning. Job
Still I had on morning, Joe was disturbing enough when the president called reporters, scum
now he's using that same word, for the FBI will tackle that straight ahead. But first, let's go to build parents with a check on the forecast bill.
Coming up Joe, you ve said that if Joe Biden wins Iowa, he could be on crews.
Control to the nomination, while we ve got new polling from that state. We'll talk about it
next morning Joe
Coming up on morning, Joe Wilbur Avail Time magazines person of the year, but first one of them
and its top Democrat Stick. Durban joins the conversation morning, Joe
back in a moment.
The president's upon his own story is later that evening in Pennsylvania, including false claims about the progress of his border wall.
We're going to morning Joe so here we are today away at loose from a critical one.
And in the UK
it is a race between is one former conservative MP called. It said it
Pauling choice between a compulsive liar and a toad.
Solitary and so happy days are here again in Britain: has the race shaping up yes
You wanna, be shorter, poisoned, well,
until the last couple of days it looked like the conservative bars Johnson's conservative party was heading for a very
a majority, but in the last
for ass, also some fresh piles of come in to show it might well be much tighter than
and the range of scenarios now for tomorrow
voting is somewhere between
never conservative, majority
parliament, where no no single party holds a majority
the bed a lot I had once been moving. Those numbers outweigh while this there's been an amount of.
Obviously, about Boris Johnson's shy,
with the media. That was even some that refusal to do proper, hard won.
Set peace interviews with the BBC here yesterday?
even head enough in a reference
rate or a large industrial refrigerator from the gentlest attract sparking sparking we,
The line that, if you can't tat stand they hate, then hide in the fridge
so he's here
but he's made a few snuffers he's, also banned
I'm fighting with some scale at the sort of puppet populist level by packing
boxes in warehouses, delivering milk to people's doors, producing abreks it. Actually,
in the last twenty four hours about play on that site,
I'll see, you grab movie love actually where he turns
someone's door. So I mean it's all quite
Son of trivial celebrities wish the british electorate in a very fickle
capricious mood and paused
not have a good track record in
recent british history, so I don't have to
things could happen tomorrow. Our
at LOS. Thank you very much great to have you on the show this morning. Hey it's crusades this week. On my part, ass wise is happening all be talking with computational biologist, Carl Burg Strong, but what we do and dont know about the corona
once these things get out there, and this is kind of sort of a key aspect of misinformation, and just information is, though,
they're out there they really take off and they spread, and so Jonathan Swift said
but when it says the amount of work that it takes to clean up both does an order of magnitude larger than the amount of work it takes.
There's more recent version of this, which is known as Brandon chinese book. They cemetery principle and it says the amount of work that it takes to clean up, but it is an order of magnitude, large,
than the amount of work it takes to create it. So
really see that sort of thing happening with all kinds of conspiracy theories, including this one around the virus that this week on. Why is this happening? Search for wise as happy
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