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As you know, well, the CDC has been criticized for mixed messaging throughout the course of this pandemic other ads on mask or on board. stirs. Why Americans trust the CDC Damn right now is to take all of the science and the information that we have and to deliver guidance and recommendations to the american people that is adapted to the science at hand. This pandemic has given us lot of new and updated science over the last two years, and it is my job to they that science, through those recommendations- and that is exactly what we are doing- This morning we have new reporting on the CDC decision to relax covert isolation guidelines, just as cases now hit record numbers possible the renewed question of what constitutes being fully vaccinated good morning welcome the morning Joe, it is Thursday December if I'm really Geiss Joan Mika have the morning off with us, the

the way to early and White House Bureau cheap at political jobs and Le Maire. And MSNBC political allies. Susan Del perceived boring to both of you in just a moment, will speak with a leading health official about those cities, guidelines and tell you what you need to know headed in two new year's, but first, to the verdict in the trial of Jeffrey Epstein long time associate. Gawayne Maxwell found guilty yesterday on five sex trafficking. Charges. Nbc news correspondent run out as the story after six days of deliberation A jury found Gleam Maxwell guilty of five out of six federal charges, including sex trafficking of mine which is the most serious and carries out the body years behind bars. The road to justice has been far too long, but today, just as has been done throughout the three retrial prosecutors calling two dozen witnesses, the heart of their case for women who say they were recruited, groomed and lured by Maxwell when they were too

ages? So they could be sexually abused by Geoffrey Epstein. The prosecution calling Maxwell Epstein partner in crime, saying Epstein, was able to sexually abused young girls because Maxwell was the key to the whole operation. Jurors were reminded that you live within four years: and was even refer to as the lady of the House prosecutors tying the pair by showing pictures of them together throughout the years adding Maxwell receive more than thirty billion dollar from Epstein during the years her, let's crimes were committed. The defence trying to discredit the poor women questioning their memory telling yours they were caused by attorneys and motivated by money. Epstein took his own life before bars in twenty nineteen, but his presence looming over the courtroom defence reminded the jury to separate Maxwell from the disgrace. Financier saying he lay Maxwell is not Jeffrey Epstein. Adding she's been tried here for being with temporary Epstein. Maybe that was the biggest mistake of her life, but that was not a crime. The jury felt otherwise and the crimes they do

you're guilty. I could leave a sixty year old in prison for the rest of her life and its he's run Alan reporting, their joining us now, NBC News Investigations reporter Tom Winter Informer prosecutor and MSNBC Legal, analysed Charles Common Good morning, tea time. I want to start with you, you ve been there at the court house right from the beginning. I ve been following this case so closely for years now, where do five of six guilty counts? Where does that fall in the spectrum of what you expected here I think it's exactly what I expect that I think a key thing here: Willie when you look at the charging documents, but the jurors had to go through to arrive at their verdict. Yesterday is clear that they believed the women as several of the council they convicted on or specifically tied to the individual victims that came forward and testified of speaking quickly about Jane, testifying under pseudonym that here is- is count five encounter. Six refers to Carolyn

gives me on Jane count for encounter sixes Carolyn soldiers leave. Their stories believed what they had to say and arrived at a guilty verdict based on what I saw The court room, based on the testimony that I saw in the corroborating evidence that prosecutors presented, I think this guilty verdict. That the jury's jurors arrived. That yesterday makes an awful lot of sense I miss you, listen to all the testimony in this trial. You heard the case made by prosecutors. How compelling was obviously got wrenching it and disgusting in many ways, but to live, into it as an argument as a legal argument to hear the stories of what these young girls exe since when they were just kids, you, I think the way there Prosecutors summarize did it in really focus on this key idea. Why was Glenn Maxwell hanging out with teenage girls with Jeff, Epstein is under pretence of while they were trying to help them out or or they were too. and to support them were or help them with

schooling or education. It just doesn't make sense right. Willie, I mean if you try Do that set up a scholarship from us some sort of a mentorship programme, but its very clear Some of the reasons and some of the incidents that we're just, in particular by any farmer. Her testimony was kind of overlooked because it was in his graphic and in incidence of of sexual abuse, with kind of a one time incident that involved her. But when she talked about it, she was invited to Jeffrey scenes sprawling, Saint New Mexico Ranch a guys that she was gonna, be there with twenty two twenty five other Tina There is some sort of a mentorship programme when she arrived. It was just her and she's hanging out going to movies and being bought gifts by Maxwell and Epstein Why are they hanging out with a teenage girl? Why is going?

Maxwell massaging her and I think that was particularly damaging in front of the jury when that testimony came across, and I think it's something that's prosecutors, We, as summarize effectively in their are closing arguments stores, are so hard to hear Charles common. The argument from that since the beginning effectively was that the Maxwell is a stand in for Jeffrey Epstein. She didn't commit the crime that was Jeffrey Epstein, who did and she's only here, because he died in prison. The jury and five out of six counts didn't by that. WWW absolutely right. I think that the debate had a youth strategy is on the one one that they had to work where they essentially try to me. About justly I've seen in his misdeeds, not about the way Maxwell, however capacity you did exactly what they were supposed to win this situation. What they were what'd. You was the civically focusing all what was it that natural herself actually day and then bring them into the large enterprises? Why don't we estimate, go home. He was so big

they made a point by natural on our specific acts wish he would present. What's she actually did in terms of getting these young girls to these in order for these actual car. That's why they were able to secure the conviction it wasn't just about every empty it was about. showing that connects to June, have been surprised. What Specific role was and what she did. Charles Jonathan still I met. What was found guilty of five or six one gets your senses to why you suspect there is one not guilty verdict and also the likelihood of any sort of success for the inevitable appeal war. Jonathan I've thought about in one of the things that aren't you coming back to one of the note from the jury. The jury asked more no asking for the definition of enticement nothing.

When you look at that not guilty murdered with regard to that one charge that word of enticement what got them hunger emigrated to one specific victim who testified, and I think, also reach when the jury they weren't Missouri, comparable with that language into during a structurally and in the charter? So that's why you saw All the targets are to be close to the appeal I don't see any real really as to this the any up. There was nothing for me. Observation in from the marking this trial and talking to other countries as well about what was going on in the courtroom, thereby says to the level of regional Eric was something I'm constitute grounds for serious appeal. It's why I do it's likely that makes them out one for the sake of steady pace, standard practice in a case like this expected and we'll get much traction or go very far, Thomas. I know there are some bold face names involved and Geoffrey Epstein Orbit here so is

the end of this story as a legal matter or there's some people who still may in trouble for this right. So I think the astrogation, is, is still ongoing and something that prosecutors in federal agents will never closed the book on Willie. I think it is important to know that there are two charges that we're severed from the original indictment. Those perjury counts against Glean MAX also will see if prosecutors go back and try to you're on those two counts in the future. Think that something important to remember, although at this point they ve gotten the MAX sentences that they're going to get from her in this case, it is far is where this goes from here. If Jeffrey of scene was still alive and gleam. Maxwell was was up for trial. I think you would have seen different story here. I think they would have tried to secure her cooperation in to some sort of an agreement. I dont know where we go from here with respect to the boy,

names that you reference and obviously we're talking about former two former presidents and Bill Clinton in Donald Trump, both of whom flew on Jeffrey of scenes. Planes are plain rather I think when you look at it Willie seen any allegations that either former president was in of in some sort of a sexual assault or sexual abuse on those planes that we just haven't heard about that before in so, I think from prosecution standpoint, there's no indication that there would be going after them. As far as other jewels. One thing we didn't hear at the trial because the judge felt like it was outside the scope of indictment in the charges here are other quote. Unquote. Dates Gleam Maxwell arranged with other into those other male individuals in women of age that Damone. He did not come in how extensive that is how broad that is, who is involved in that are their bold face names involved than that that something we didn't get

here in this trial, will be interesting to see if that comes out in the coming. weeks and months through some other sort of means. But at this point there is no indication that anybody else's in imminent danger of being charged, you're willing and maybe more to come here, Charles Susan persist However, the question for you, Susan good morning, Charles on very curious about the fact that it was the public corruption unit of the Estonian. Why that your ram with this case, which would indicate there is both face names and maybe even other elected officials or bribery, whatever they cover a lot there. My question to you is: is it possible that Maxwell will offer a took lip on some of these people? Can she still potentially get a deal considering? Maybe she thought she would never be found guilty in the first place and take another

This was Peter reform across here. I can say that, usually, if someone's going to commit, they would have done so by this point it is very possible that we go to the citizen can pay the bills trial. Then we may see nightfall the turning reach out to the passengers and you try to offer information, then my the aim to secure convict down. The line, if possible, I'm getting a more stringent, but my God tells me that if we want to see that for matchlocks, we already what have now it is You are no doubt many. A pauper means that we heard about work, I've been rumoured to be connected to this case may not be an issue. Here because those are com They should amount sexual abuse and there it is what limitations there on a funnel level are going to charge me individuals. maybe because they were all bob they were

bob and sex trafficking as well, meaning they took young young women from state to state across the lies, and that's what involves the federal jurisdiction? No, not really to operate testimony that is going to help them and thereby, then they may be well it's a kind of deal. But again my experience tells me that it was going to happen. It already would have gleaned Maxwell DE five, five and six charges of sex trafficking, MSNBC Legal analysed Charles Coleman, Tom Winter. Thank you both for walking to see both this morning, the United. Its broke its record for new Daily Cobain cases for the second day in a row, according to data from the New York Times more than four hundred eighty eight thousand new cases reported yesterday the seventy average two three hundred one thousand I shall say, the number of infections may actually be higher than reported. Is fewer people were tested over the Christmas, Oh, that hospitals asian rates, also arising due to the sheer number of infections from the COMECON variant Maryland

she didn t see reporting a record number of hospitals nations. Yesterday, more than two thousand Marilyn within five hundred in D C. Meanwhile, the CDC is defending new recommendations that cut the isolation time for asymptomatic people who ve tested positive from ten days to five Yesterday morning Joe, I asked the director of the CDC Doktor Rochelle will linsky about the decision, not the recommended negative test before returning to normal activity. In those recommendations. We do not recommend a task for several reasons. First, we know the pc. Our task can stay positive for twelve weeks months. Your pc, our test, can be positive. You are waiting for a negative pcr you'd be isolate. for months in terms of the attic now we actually don't know how those tests perform, whether they can actually predict whether you can transmit Iris or not.

In another interview on CNN Doktor. Will it be said, the new guidelines quote really had a lot to do with what we thought people would be able to tolerate journeys. Now too, tour of the centre for Infectious disease research policy and a professor in the medical school at the University of Minnesota, Doktor, Michael Auster, home doktor, us round the sea was always so. What's your take on these new guidelines that take the isolation down from ten days to five, doesn't sound terribly. If you listen to the explanation rooted in sight, since its more what people could tolerate according to doktor, will end into hopefully get people back to work it into school, and perhaps it is some people's minds at ease, but is it based in science? From your view,. Willie. Will we re now we have a very imperfect situation that terrorism requires some very imperfect responses over the next three to four weeks we going to see. The number of cases in this country rise so dramatically time keeping everyday life operating

already were seen it and our healthcare Saturn's whereof. We could easily lose ten and twenty percent of health workers who are not available to work at all in a very difficult market already. Seen that right now and critical infrastructure areas where people just can come to work. So to me, Ideally, we would like to have more time to allow people to clear the virus not potentially be transmitting it At the same time, we got gotta have people who are their everyday doing the work, and so how can you provide the safest environment? So actually I support they're doing. I think that it is not perfect, it won't be perfect, but what we have come in before us and few weeks is hardly going to allow for just a perfect response, one other thing, Razor eyebrows yesterday with Dr Wilensky, when I asked her if she knew show a negative test after those five days not just put on a mask if you're going to go back to work or go back to school, and she said well. A lot of those tests may show you positive results for weeks and weeks and weeks and so you'd be quarantining for weeks. If you took a test, does that

the tests we have, which are ones being encouraged to get, aren't really doing as much good. well, there are three issues were testing and we have to be aware of right now. Number one is you have to distinguish between the pcr tests and love is the over the counter. Tell I have concerns about how accurately the over the counter tests is actually picking up, infections, we're missing them and people are making life altering decisions about. Do I go to a family where there may be people at high risk forgetting seriously ill, and I test negative just with I go, but I really was positive. So that's the first, and the second thing is this year is the definitive test. That we want to get that, but that can be positive for some time basically weeks. after infection, because you have what we call viral debris, meaning the viruses and there but you're picking it up the remnants of the virus, and so you are positive, but the third thing was I think those by far the most important all these in another two weeks is gonna, be almost impossible to get a test.

there are gonna, be so many people who want to be tested. You dont have a test However, right, how can you have a recommendation? Is they get tested and you can't find what I was walking home from work yesterday up Broadway, they have those mobile vans. People long line down the block and we get to the front of the line? There's a sign. This is due to volume its assent. To our return turn time to get your result back backward. So for those three days you stay at home. Does the tat mean anything after three days just to underline what you said the at home tat these rapid tests, so many of us are relying on if we can get our hands on them, because it is more difficult to get it from pc. Our appointment, you dont trust. Those necessarily the rapid tests I dont, we need a lot more information. I think the FDA really has let us down in this area that we need much more information about how oftener they correct. We have many more Many examples of people who two and three days into their illness. Are

negative by these tests, but then turn up positive by pcr and and yet how they may be helpful, but at the same time how helpful and we need to let the consumer. Now, when you use this test, is your chances of finding it will. You are in I could, when you really are and not being told you're not because in all the average citizen say what they tell said. I was negative. I can go. Do this right go do that and we need much better information. Right now that we have. after also humbly morning, it's John for me. I know some public other experts yesterday were saying the scarcity of the tests may have influenced CDC decision to get rid of the request match or to go to war with regard to test negative for entering everyday life because of people simply can't get their hands on but I want to ask about this: there's been some speculation last twenty four hours that the definition of fully vaccines may change the previously had been the two shots were fired Morgiana, one of Johnson and Johnson. But now

crime and the need to see me need for boosters to provide protection there. It could change, wouldn't you think well Then, if you actually go back on this very show, I think in August I said I thought that full vaccination status should include that third knows and I've all along said that this was not really about two doses and a booster. This is about three prime vaccine and it just took us while they get there, but I actually agree right now that if you want to have the most protection against becoming infected or in particular, preventing Serious illness has relations, or does that third doses really important? So absolutely I think it should be impulse as for vaccination, I understand the concerns about the definitions with mandates and so forth, but I want I care about is was going to protect you and me and our loved ones from becoming seriously ill. That's three doses

gross or home Susan to pursue as a question for you, Susan, I morning doctor, you said that the next three to four weeks are going to be extremely difficult for us, overcoming this new variant. My question to you is really simple: based on the science, and the fact that school districts say they're going to rely on a lot of testing which they don't have the test for. Should school districts delay their opening k through twelve. Well, I can say this right now. That is not even a function of should they delay it because of kids getting sick I worry very much said even with vaccinated teachers who still can have breakthrough infections, we're gonna have a hard time staff in our schools and then extra for weeks. So all of society is going to be pressured by its healthcare care. Is it already were hearing about Big Box stores that are actually considering? was in her have closed because they can't find enough workers to actually be at work

This is only going to get worse the next few weeks. So from the school standpoint we know, schools or a place for this virus can spread, it will spread, kids will get their kids will bring it home, kids will take it to school, teachers will get sick. So I think that the next you're four weeks. We just have to consider this a time out. You might say with this virus, not assuming that this is going to last for months and months like this with Amr Crime, but I think that the next month are gonna be unparalleled, and the kinds of decisions we have to make in schools will be one of them said: doktor ostrom Only let you go to the new year. People want to have some some shoot of hope that they can hang onto What do they do with everything you just told us, which is where our struggling to find the test? ok. We found these rapid tests. We waited in line at the Walgreens Greens when they open because they got into deliver. Ok, we got the test. Now we can were negative. We can go, live our lives of your saying, you're, not alone, by the way in saying that the rapid tests are accurate and often I'd

time to get a pc our task that can get an appointment. What do we do? what oh Americans do over the next couple of weeks. Are we back to these April twenty twenty days March, twenty twenty days in your mind, where it's just kind of stay at home and waded out for a few weeks, there's not a big gap for that anymore, as you know why, life is not an appetite, but remember just because we have done with the virus doesn't mean the virus has done with us and so Are going to see rising hospital, assholes, is occurring. We're gonna, see more people getting sick. We're gonna see challenges to our systems and what I suggest ten years, we're having a viral blizzard. I live in a place where we use to blizzards. We know they won't last forever. We know that we will eventually ploughed, and this is what we do have to do here, and I think the next month is gonna, be a viral blizzard count on it, but then also. I think that we can again with new drugs coming out that are going to make a bit

difference. I remember well for those on this show that are old enough to remember what happened with HIV Aids in the nineteen eightys. It was a dozens today. We managed it really well, because we have drugs that can make that happen. I think what we're going to do is continue to vaccinate, but within the next two to three months, we're going to have some drugs that if people do start to become ill, it won't turn into that serious life threatening illness so just hold on. Knowing that this virus is going to do, going to do with that. We do have light at the end of the tunnel. I think the next month they had, but for right now, you're going to have to hunker down for the next few months, in the meantime, get vaccinated get boosted, Doktor Michael Auster Home, always speaking with two US thanks. So much and a happy new year to you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. still have here on morning, Joe S covert cases among children increase. We will ask the Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona, how his agency plans to keep students safe as they prepare to return from winter brake on

that wasn't me Richard angle joins us ahead of President binds phone call with Latin we're Putin. That's a call requested by the russian leader? But will they talk about? Richard tells us next and morning in this city of angels to kindly old Ladys wanted to help homeless. Man get off the streets wherever, and so they did listen to the thing about Helen and Olga knew from Dateline. Wherever you get your podcast, hey everyone, it's true mainly MSNBC corresponded and hosted the podcast into America, as we close out the year were chicken aim with some of our favorite guess, I'm just glad

as were willing to tell a story. I'm doing I'm stay off our gas no breaks down I about, and I do it better because of anything that govern this. Was God now and follow where we get your packets President Joe Biden will hold another call with russian President Vladimir Putin today, amid ongoing concerns Moscow plans to invade Ukraine again. The call was requested by Putin. It comes just weeks after the two here's how the two hour virtual meeting, which Biden warned Moscow of economic consequences if it doesn't vague Ukraine accords the statement from the National Security Council. The two leaders are expected to discuss what they're calling a range of topics, including upcoming diplomatic engagements, with Russia joining. I London NBC News chief foreign correspondent, Richard Angle,

good morning. It's good to see you, so these two men spoke just a couple of weeks ago. Why do you say. Back Vladimir Putin requested this car. well. There is a series of meat, coming up that are focused on Ukraine and they are in the second week of January, It seems like Vladimir Putin wanted to get ahead of those talks. Are there were some spare? nation that Biden and prudent might even talk, then other supposed to have talks on on Ukraine or January thirteenth and in Europe, but it seems, like Vladimir Putin, said. Let's talk now, let's talk before Russia goes into it's Christmas holiday, On the Orthodox calendar, but right what what Putin once you get out of this is still is still uncertain,

There are some indications he might want to de escalate. There were reports in the russian media that Russia pulled back about ten thousand of its troops around the twenty fifth of December, and then the Russian NEWS Agency said that they, those troops, have been returned to their permanent stations. But a? U S, official briefing ahead of this call just yesterday said Russia still has a significant number of troops. Tens of thousands ukrainian official Sates around a hundred thousand very close to the ukrainian border still still a large enough force that if it wanted to further invade Ukraine, it could do that so we don't know if Putin is just stalling. If he's trying to get ahead of the diplomatic activity that is supposed to take place in. Mid January anyway, or if he wants to de escalate. What are you hearing about the realistic possibility of Russia invading Ukraine is

call the international community's bluff, does it want to call the american bluff that it may step into defend? You, in some way. If it does so, you think Putin will cross that border again. This is the the subtlety of this story and I have been speaking to a lot of diplomats, sudden and experts on this and was in that region of long ago talking to talk of the troops it if Russia were too Vade wooden, necessarily look like they. They say a massive blitzkrieg with a hundred thousand russian troops tanks rolling over the border and marching their way to key? If they say that's possible, but but what's more likely if Russia were to take things to the next level? Is there are two enclaves inside Ukraine? These enclaves are already controlled by russian separatists, so Russia,

already has a footprint inside Ukraine and their oars all ready russian advisers inside these enclaves and Russia has been talking a great deal about how these separatists these pro russian Ukrainians, are being abused by the ukrainian government that Russia needs to step in to save them. So it is possible that if he were to move in, he could move into these enclaves which Russia already controls as one possibility or he could. in to those enclaves and then expand beyond that and try to link up those enclaves with Crimea. So there are different possibilities of him invading or taking over, but it wouldn't necessarily look like a hundred thousand uniformed russian troops deeming over the border and rolling through the trenches. If you remember, Russia took over Crimea. It did it didn't acknowledging they sent.

in troops that we're not wearing any uniforms not wearing any insignia. I spoke to some of those troops. I was in Crimea during the take over they wouldn't respond. They didn't acknowledge who they were. and it was only over time that it was clear that these were russian special forces who had come under some of them on commercial planes added it infiltrated the area and took it over bite by stealth. So Russia's coiling sophisticate doing this, and it already has both Crimea and a foothold in these two enclave. So it has enough power and it has experienced in the region that if it wants to do it, it could do it in a way that that keeps people guessing. President's Biden, an important will speak around three thirty eastern time this afternoon, and then they will meet in Geneva a week for money NBC News chief foreign correspondent, Richard Angle, Breakin it down for us from London Richard. Thank you. So much come up next

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from the sky of Times Square Toby for about thirty Ex hours from now. As many of you know, in addition to hosting morning Joe with Joe and Mika on the weekends I host a show called Sunday today over on the NBC and earlier the there. I interviewed former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton she's hosting new series for master Class, which is an online education platform about resiliency talking about her life and her career we had a long wide, ranging conversation about bath and about the state of the country, so part of being resilient outside of it, it has kept me saying five years ago, after losing a presidential election that would reshape the country, Hillary Clinton went for a long walk. You talk about after the two thousand. Sixteen elections are going into the woods for awhile

and then being re to come out at some point, be literally the very first day of the elections. When I up, I gotta go for a walk business, dude overwhelmingly depressing, and I read it to this young woman with their dog and her baby, and she gave me a big Haagen. Yes going into the woods. I find deeply storage of everybody will be knocked down. The question is: will you get back up now? The two time presidential candidate is sharing the lessons she took from those painful setbacks in a new seminar called the power of resilience or the online education platform master clacks? When they ask me, I said well, what do you want me to talk about, and this said basically, we want you to talk about why you have done what you ve done.

threw out your life and how you overcame setbacks and disappointments and really became so resilient as well. Have a lot of experience. Clinton has been a historic and polarizing figure over her three decades at the highest reaches of power. As for lady of the United States as a new work senator as Secretary of state and why running for president twice to how did you read and then deal with criticism that you received, which includes people calling for you to be locked up, Andrea presidential campaign? What I learned was to take criticism seriously, but not personally, you mentioned corrupt and what an absurd in many ways. Dangerous attack, because we're supposed to live a society governed by the rule of law and the people chain?

doing that and yelling at me, for I have no idea what they were talking about and, and secondly, were being instigated to do that. So I dont pay attention to that kind of stuff, and I think that if people don't frank from criticism, but understand where it's coming from. You couldn't go through life and withstand a lot of in being a tax, because you after my fellow Americans. Today, you sent a message to the whole world. I think the moment that is stick out to most people in this master Ass is an extraordinary one. Where you read what you call the would be victories Anyone who supposed to be delivered the jacket Centre in November, two thousand. Sixteen, what compelled you to sit down and revisit that speech. I wanted to be as helpful as I could to the viewers and to the process of being in a master class

I didn't, as you know, right a concession speech, because, even though we had a lot of bumps those last ten days, I still thought you know we could What out so? I worked on a speech that really was about journey and had had a emphasis on my mother's life and Journey Clinton's late mother Dorothy was bandit by her parents at eight years old and put on a cross country train to live with her grandparents. I think about my mother. Every day. sometimes, I think about her on that train. I wish I could walk down the aisle. So They asked me to do it I really had a hard time getting through it, partly so more shock. Is it brought back? What to me was a

lost not just for me but for our country with somebody like Trump getting elected despite everything, but it was also in sleep personal, particularly at the end. When I talk about the little girl my mother was when she was put on a train in Chicago and you my whole emphasis. Starting when I was in law. School going forward on working for kids was in many ways motivated by the life my mother lived. I dream of going up to her and sitting down next or her taken her in my arms and sing. Look at me, listen to me. You will survive. You will have a good Emily of your own and three children and as hard as it might be. To imagine your daughter, will grow up and become the president of the states,

People have known for a long time and say they ve never seen that level of public emotion from you. Well, that's probably true and Part of it. Willie is when you're a woman in public life, you kind of damned if you you and damned. If you doubt, I mean, if you show emotion that may connect with some people, but for a lot of people. It's, like, I told you of a woman have these jobs you now there too emotional. It's really hard big, Has you want to convey the emotion you feel because it does connect you with many people but it can be so mercilessly received by the press and the public. Last night I congrats later Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country. I hope that he will a successful president for all Americans. So how painful was

you and has it been to watch the country since that day, I hoped for the best from trump and then I went to the inauguration on, and I heard that outrageous speech about carnage in the street there wasn't one right grace: in that inaugural address right? Now there wasn't the thing that said, okay. I know some of you didn't vote for me, but I'm your president, but it was what he did and how he abuse the office and how he mistreated. People starting? You know with the Muslim ban through the outrageous behaviour in trying to turn the election and encouraging an attack on our capital and sadly, the Republican Party has gone along with him sleep. They have hung their spines upon the wall as they walk into their offices. They have no conscience, they have no spine and we

seeing the results of a party that has been taken over by a demagogue, it's time to decide whether we're gonna be a grown up country or not. Are we going to give in to all these lies in this disinformation and this organised or to undermine our rule of law, solutions, or we can stand up to things that are important to things that valuable they're worth fighting for it. Even if you don't win all the time. You know you still have to get up and and care about the world you're in and care about each other and do what you can to make a difference you think will see a woman president, why your hope so? Well, I, but you know, will gotta make it happen, not easy, as I know very well Secretary Clinton also shared some advice for Democrats heading into the mid term elections about how they run and run better, to try to hold on to the House of Representatives and made a prediction.

what will see in twenty twenty four fire betting person right now, I said, Trot was gonna, run again and seems to be setting himself up to do that and if he's not held accountable, then he gets to do it again. I think that could be the end of our democracy, not to be too pointed about it, but I want but understand that this is a make or break point if he were, or some one of his ilk were once again to be elected president and if especially had a congress that would do his bidding. You will not recognise our country, so, given everything justice rob. Do you ever have moments of responsibility or even guilty about? What's happened, of course, because I tried to warn people. I tried to make the case that this was really dangerous, the people he was alive with what they were.

And what he might do, and I do think but for Jim call me in the stunt he pulled ten days for the election. I would have one I feel terrible about not stopping him and the people around him, but I I feel like now: everybody can see for themselves what kind of leader he is and clearly there were people who liked what they Despite what I see as the real dangers to our country, they turned out and voted for him and he's trying to get it set up. So that will happen again for him, even if he loses, as he did twice the popular So what do you see is the state of the Democratic Party right now. I think that it is a time for some careful thinking about what winds elections and not just an deep blue districts where a Democrat and a liberal Democrat or so called progressed.

Democrat is going to win. I understand why people want to argue for their priorities, that's what they believe they were elected to do so Look, I'm all about having vigorous debate. I think it's it's good in it. It gives people a chance to be part of the process, but at the end of the day it means nothing if we don't have a congress that will get things done and we don't have a white house that we can count on to be saying and sober and stable and productive my conversation this month with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Sunday today believe it or not, there should be a small taste of our conversation. You can see the entire interview you can hear it on this. They sit down podcast you can get that an apple podcast or wherever you get yours and coming up this Sunday on Sunday today we re in the new year with one of the biggest stars on the planet, S Shirin forming a pint formulas.

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