Good morning and welcome to morning Joe, it is one say January: twenty seventh, along with show willing and me we have White House Porter for the Associated Press, Le Maire and a host of MSNBC politics, nation and president of the National action network forever the owl sharp influences this warning. Let's dive right in the Senate yesterday Signal the effort to convict Donald Trump. In his, second impeachment likely they'll come up short only five send. It Republicans voted to move forward with the trial joining all Democrats in voting down. Senator ran Paul's measure. To dismiss the case because Trump is longer in office if tromp is to be, can did for inciting an insurrection, seven Teen Senate Republicans, would need

join. All fifty Democrats, they all Republicans voting to continue at the trial were centres. Susan Collins, LISA, Macao, Ski Mitt Romney. then SAS and pad to me said rob meant later sad. His vote, declaring the trial unconstitutional, was in favour of debating the issue and is not a sign of whether he'd vote to acquit. Ok, but only there's another possible Now here are the arguments that were hearing from some of troms main or do we have to really I rise of Syria. Muslim, let them be seen for sea or history to judge them. Look like if you can there's no longer president, whereas the constitution. No power to impeach him. Private citizens. Don't get impeached

impeachment is for removal from office. A trial or former president is simply vindictive. It will via the question. When we vote on this in a couple of hours for every centres should be. Is it wise? Is it the right thing to do? I think, from that standpoint the choice is very clear: it will not heal, it will not unite, let's put it to this now, and this is not driven by the needs of the country. This is not driven by trying to help out the people who are back home. This is driven really by the artists and rage and the partisan anger. The Democrats feel they hate Donald J Prompt and an end their engaging in on an act that I is petty. I think it is retribution. I think it is a vindictive- and I think it's a waste

times always been unconstitutional in my view, and it was ill conceived. The present the United States was impeached in fifty hours without one witness being called any didn't. Have a lawyer. one of the reasons we need to make sure this thing never goes anywhere is because I don't want to legitimize. The impeachment process used a house. I think as a danger to democracy in the presidency itself, You know what you're saying about the timeline here that now you're dealing with a fork president, but that it be, it said the exact same thing triggered a riot that that that that happen on January six. Let's do six do think that in proceedings against him would have been warranted. On the basis of these facts. You know, that's why you would have to travel at that point, but here's why that try would be different than what's happening is lying on person is asked his language. No, nobody noticed languages incendiary and why? I think that there is no doubt that the press,

bear some responsibility for what happened. I think what happened was foreseeable consequences not just of what he said, but all the events leading up to it, for at the end there, but overall Joe. Why are they still scared of him? Well, I mean let me set my favorite cap, I mean starting with RON Johnson, ok ensure they. I've noticed over the past couple weeks I'm concerned for young conservatives out there that actually right, see Oliver senses are learning that the peace, they're watching on tv who are claiming to be conservatives. They just snowflakes you're, just whelps. They really just absent. I dare other words I'd like to use forum by all. They do. Is wine and say I'm being victim?

eyes. Oh a private company is deciding not to give me their platform by those such a victim and it goes on and on the Lindsey yet You gonna bandwidth is unknown. done within some ever amount that train a couple. People Willie James, you, Madam Airport, right into drinking and suddenly miss prayers up on your plane and then Lindsays going around saying this is I'm constituted visit this and you did mention RON Johnson and in wrong John keep lenders away from that man. but RON Johnson Willie says it will divide. It will let the why it like the rioting divide

it's absolutely unbelievable- that these people, our now hiding trembling. Quaking hide what they consider to be, procedural, Rock Marco Margo actually now gave it a waiter yeah. Of course, the question of course, Yazzi helped inspire the mob cabin Mccarthy heads the same before he got scared. Saying yes, yes, see, helped inspire the mob there they are admitting through the substance of the matter, so a tremble and shake from These very people were watching on television right now that are back in their districts, fragile and quake, and desperate now hide behind a procedural rock. So hopefully no

We can see them by their but listen this guy was already impeached any you would other than a couple of hacks who want to be on cable knows you would be hard pressed still fine, legitimate, constant national scholars that would say that the United States Senate can't try articles of impeachment they passed in the house, while Donald Trump we still present the United States. It is, it is sad fabric weak. These, so called conservatives are so so there's snowflakes it's really it's it's this! It's really depressing of you. If you look at every that's happened over the past couple weeks. Him the conservative movement, his just absolutely swivel that,

that was just the beginning of a what we showed their. There are forty five Republicans out of fifty who voted in support of this Jackson from Grandpa. Forty five, only five Republicans voted against it: Mitt Romney Susan Collins, LISA Marhaus, he bends, ass and pat. To me, those are the five people who held out they voted Hence the measure declaring this impeachment trial unconstitutional forty, five and Joe, the one thing that they Both men that we saw in those clips were victims of was an attack three weeks ago on them an attack on the place where they were. Or trumps importers incited by the President that day and in the weeks leading up to it, charged in The police officer and went looking for them went looking for the leadership of the content. Chanting hang my pants they're talking about this, like president from impeached on some technicality I'm arguable point. No, they

were the victims of an attack, and now, three weeks later, as we sit here today there on tv, almost in complete solidarity, with five hold out saying that this cannot move forward is unconstitutional, that you can't impeach a private citizen. We should remind them that he was impeached when he was as in the United States has already been impeached. He watch those clips and you like we're living in a parallel universe where they were not inside that building when it was attacked weeks ago today,. their own Paul, I mean he's been lying through, his teeth is still he still spreading. The lie about the election is lying. There is so question is actually. Why do you even let, Paul on your television show like again violation of first amendment rights they give, you are just an out now lie or we're not gonna. Let you come on or show and he's here. proven himself to be a liar time and time again so ran Paul like who cares? What ran Paul thanks? The guy is

deal lying to the people of Kentucky. The guys still lie the American, equally, I still making an argument that black votes don't count that they don't come in Atlanta, they don't count in Detroit, they don't count in Milwaukee Cassettes, exactly the lie that he still where boss, thus preventing that lie. After the majority of Republicans mature Republicans of at least can. to that, but yeah I mean em again, what what, go on down the list. The In addition, as the worst, why do you In our view, Tad crews, a guy who ran this addition, who led the sedition unless you want to ask any biology, Holly inspired this addition against the United States of America and like is at its additions to big of a word for people to figure out and if these republics of our insurrection, you

Willie, they forget about Why everybody saying on television? Why don't? They just tell us what happened when they were pursued by the mob that everybody but TED crews, who was on there. Less Gazeta. Ted wants to do this and, of course he did casino. aspiring this addition along with Josh Ali, but you ride like at one point with this guy they were they were literally seconds away from finding members of the United States Senate and, if you take them onward hunting them down and killing them and its the situation is so fraught Willie that they actually have fellow members of Congress in the house that has been talking about killing. members of Congress over the past several years in hers Social media feeds. Awaking lags talking about the execution of

this, is no longer being something that they can play over twitter. Our cable news night there's the reality, and not only did that cop die. Not only did another Cobb get bludgeoned by Donald Trump, so what with an american flag, and we have video Let us now to prove that they were inspired by trumps own words to go up and use american flags almost bludgeoned, a police officer to death. These are people that were almost killed, and they have someone in their midst. Who can walk? the Senate floor has been. raising those talking the assassination of other members of Congress yeah. Let's explain that little bit republican congresswoman, Marjorie Taylor, Green of Georgia, whose made headlines for promoting coup and on spiriting theories is facing new scrutiny over a series of Facebook Post, where she repeatedly as Joe said, endorse VI.

It's against democratic leader, CNN reviewed, hundreds of her facebook posts and comments from two thousand eighty. In two thousand nineteen before she was elected the Congress that review green, frequently posted far right, extremist and debunk conspiracy theories to her page on posts. From January. Two thousand nineteen green, like the comment that said quote a bullet to their head, would be quicker to remove Speaker Nancy Pillars in another posts from April to that in eighteen, oh commenter, ass, now doing To hang them. Referring to former President Barack Obama in former Secretary of State Larry Clinton. In response, Green wrote stage is said, the players are being put in place. We must be patient This must be done perfectly or liberal judges, would let them off. On Twitter Green call the CNN report a hit peace focus on her time before running for political office, but did not dispute the authenticity of the posts that were reported.

he went on to say many posts have been like too many posts of shared. Some did not represent my views, especially the ones that CNN is about to spread across the internet, congresswoman Office did not respond to questions from the Washington Post about what posted likes, remained on her page if she did not agree with them. A spokesman for House an order leader, Kevin Mccarthy, tells axles Mccarthy's away the comments conversation with green about them. So we knew congresswoman was we know who she is before she was elected in an office. The voters in her district folded her in any way. We didn't, though, no but these specific posts, including liking one. They talked about a bullet to the head of the speaker of the house right now, really, Maybe she ran a mad She ran and add when she was running for office holding and they are If team I'm having pictures of

where's of Congress, who, of course, where women of color boy that's a shock. Where she said she was going after all if you use the exact words targeting them, go on horizontal down. While I'm talk, you know that grouping Sudan. Can you take your picture down? Well, I'm talking. Thank you, but this is we don't bring this to bring her, because I don't bring up people in yellow better back benchers, we bring it up. Did tell those loggerheads in the United States Senate. That think that this is just another Twa fight that you have people in your midst and have called for the assassination of members of Congress. You have paid in, your meds then actually mean I have been involved in helping locate, chew while you were hiding, you have

People in your midst actually may been involved in others. They certainly word cheering it on so so will you visit we're we're talking about a debate over the Import Export Bank here, all right, We're not talking about a debate over the Organisation of the United States Senate the procedures behind that a terrifically pouring debate, normal debate. This sort of debates Washington Use have. We are now told about a movement in now president that inspired people- come the capital. He'll do try to kill their words, not mine. the vice president of the United States and this girl, the House and guess what my parents is now in Indiana because of Donald Trump

delay low, but he's here people now who have my pants on their head. Lessons cause I'm Donald Trump, not because of Don women. Not because of Rachel Matter, not because shake tapir not because of York Times editorial page, not because of the Washington Post and good luck. Marty bear me MIKE Pan is in fear for his life because of Donald J, prompt and well, we win. when they get on my house for and pretend wake this is ninety, ninety nine or two thousand and eight or they are doing themselves, they are doing their party. They are doing Amerika a great disservice cause this, Terrorism has

stamped out, listen, My conservative People like my views after nine eleven, I don't really care I agreed with Dick Cheney with a one percent solution, your job Europe's leaders to stop another attack against this. Contrary right, well guess what, on the same guy and twenty twenty you come after us caught after our capital, where come after you and we sure, as hell are not going to let you inside our capital. We sure, as Hell, are not going to tell her brain just pretend this going to go away. What one of TED turn the after nine eleven, but in a lot, but just we're done gonna go away. Let's forget it. yeah. No nine eleven work, like would run just say: let's just forget about it: yeah they attacked the Pentagon. They too, but just forget about.

That's what limbs you want says he wants us to forget about the fact that people were blocked in the head with an american flag because of Donald Trump. He was to forget that a cop was beaten to death and the reason why the cop killer be the cab did TAT was were inspired by Donald Tab to do so a crowd, wants paused, free kid the solution, along with George Holly and TAT, allows forget for tat out of your mind in your mouth conservative, conservatives do talk. We don't forget if you want our tawdry: we After you No, we throw

where do they carry you come on, or capital than you think why it simply vindictive busy justice. For the latter. The insurrection Margo you The first euro cents God, is a bridge. We can't go well with Japan now. They constitute no lawyer that supports justice and club. That judge that justice, yes here's what thought publicans and assented want you to forget there. It is what Grand Paul wants you to forget. This is what add crowds. Wants you to forget this?

What RON Johnson wants you to forget, I say were for good, just I said after nine eleven, never forget that he has Terrorist came to our country and attack us, and you know why I said: we needed a column, islamic terrorists. You know why, because our islamic terrorism, these people are. These are true. terrorists by their name river now. Can I get a witness You certainly have a witness at bank. You didn't, I don't know Joe, the fact that it I mean it's where's, my she's region is to see Senator Johnson say they just are being vindictive. Then we should, close, every car thousand american today saying any victim

global crime is just being vindictive, we're talking about justice, we're talking about accountability, we're talking about full pay for their deeds. These people went to the capital building our nation, and threatened to an attempted to kill people elected to run the government that is not about then been big vindictive. That's about homing people accountable for trying to destroy any less gin and killed those that had the tenacity did decide. They gonna uphold democracy. to see them stand on the second floor. And to see them said in that building, which was the scene of the crime and act like there was something on constitutional, something that was even inappropriate. about holding the insider of this crime accountable was

and so to the american public. Jonathan Le Maire, ran Paul, said yesterday, hyper partisan Democrat about to drag our great country down into the gutter of rancor and vitriol. He's concerned this group of senators that, frankly, the boots of Donald Trump for four years are concerned. but rancor and vitriol? What are we at right now on the screen, if not rancor, in vitriol, taken to the extreme, to the point where a police officer was killed. It is clear that these where's of the Senate, fear the man you covered for four years, Donald Trump, much more than care about what happened to them at the capitol. yeah rancor patrol and violence, and certainly displays of cowardice. Yesterday, from number of, public and senators as it was, as it was put to me.

By someone close to the process close, this raw begins in the Senate, that there was a moment in those first couple of days after January, sex tat, first day or two with a shock of the attack, because they were the victims still dealing with that It is mob. They came in there looking for blood, that there was some sense in that moment of that. This was the president needed to be held responsible, not a mental Republicans in the Senate to be sure, but there was at least some who thought that day. That may be something needed to be done, but as the two weeks have passed, changed. There was an actual cooling off period, even though we saw videos day after day that make clear this was worse than we realise how much, how frankly, how lucky we all were the things warrant, far more dire because of a few acts of heroism for some capital police officers and, frankly, from if you long turns that some of the mob members took what try to navigate the capital and these

senators who hold back from people in their districts. Who heard from Republicans who recognise just how popular Donald Trump still is them despite inciting that extra insurrection, and that, I think, is what Lessons here to be sure, is the hold that Trump still has on that party even from palm Beach. Even worse, his twitter cap being silenced, that's something that we want people wash in both the public and democratic, wondered in the aftermath of Trumps Twitter being taken away, would he no longer be able to keep the party in line with the threat of those tweets to while up his supporters and will see if it plays out in the long run? But here just a few weeks later, it's clear that he does, he doesn't need the twitter do still have an in his hand to still have them doing his bidding and that is where we are now, though, the present trump is still in silence and Joe President Biden is trying in many ways to turn the page had the focused not beyond this trial, Republicans in the Senate

afraid of the former president and there that's where they're gonna put their allegiance not on seeing this I too want to fair, impartial trial in the sad May. Go online. Point two sprinkle in here. You remember two weeks ago after the house impeached President Tromp then already leader Mitch, Mcconnell said he wasn't gonna rush to convey the Senate until the following week? Could they want to do the trial, requested, while he was present in the United States and now yesterday, Mitch Mcconnell voted in some the motion that set its unconstitutional to go after him. When he's a private citizen, so just think of the timeline there, does tat mean, to add on what Joe said was so well put. But what exactly do these Republicans think? Do they do they not have the ability to tell Donald Trump people there Ich when some of them that this was wrong. I don't understand how this could be hard. Do they need more to happen

still. I had a morning Joe President Biden has his first phone call with Russia President Vladimir Putin, and brings several issues that President Trump always refuse to address, will have that plus with The virus case is on the rise round the world. The president ramps up the order four vaccine doses, your Jim morning. Job will be right back. ass, far ass the hour alive. Look at the White House. Thirty on the EAST coast. Welcome back to Many Joe training now NBC News, Capitol Hill correspondent in a host of way too early Casey Hunt and White House editor for Politico SAM

sties. Ok, you walk is through the past week or so a week ago there were We can sort actually concerned about the fact that mobs angry Crop inspired mobs were coming in to the capital to Lynch MIKE pants and to put a bullet as one of the peoples, an emergency plan he's had and there are very concerned about this- the shocked and stuff and deeply saddened, and there are even future these people are talking about how they can get it Seventeen republican votes- I was never one of those serious people because I never thought they could get to seventeen votes, but still I dont think many people would have expected soundly Against a cow or the way they did yesterday and say yes, tromp scale d, but there's this procedure old thing chemicals. We can't do it,

after Healy Job is despite the fact Mitch Mcconnell, our leaders said we're not do this until after he leaves office gotcha, not arguing about the merits because mean you just laid out just a few minutes ago. How on earth is it possible to defend what actually happened and what Donald Trump actually it and that's what they're doing their using this process argument. As cover I mean I was there. I was in the capital complex on January sixth texting with members of Congress with members of the Senate as they were scrambling off of the House and Senate force to try and get to safety. We were all terrified minute was an attack on everyone that that building and the things we ve learned in the aftermath. They don't make it better. They ve made it worse, We learn about what happened the worse. We learn. It could have been

The more we know that we just narrowly avoided and even worse catastrophe, members of Congress potentially killed, but the vice president killed, and I know that privately Republicans were terrified to. They think that this is our AEGIS and unacceptable, and I'm sorry, I'm we ve covered this a whole hell of a lot. We have said Republicans private, they say that they don't like what Donald Trump did today, but they're not going to say anything about it, because perhaps it will get better if they just talking they keep their heads down into the law, go away and this is where that lead to war. you're, seeing on your screen right now? This is This is where we ended up with this well now it looks like they're on track to do the same thing and the vote yesterday. Even only five of them stood up inside ya know

We should go ahead and hold this trial. Anita, there's precedent. in historical record for them to hold the trial. I think there should be a couple more who vote to convict when this trial actually comes to the floor, but it seems like its fewer and fewer by the day since time you ve got some new numbers from early morning council political role on the man who started all as President Trump. What did you find? Well, I mean what we found was that is his standing there. Republican parties is still sperm, but its slipping ever slightly where you see right, there is, should form part of an incomplete, Roll and nine are a major role in the republican Party GNP. Sixty five, yes, Democrats, eleven! independence. Twenty five percent and sixty five percent may seem like a lot to most people. But it's not that much when you think of the last

years were that that number would have been enough men too high nineties. Now I don't know how that jobs with what we saw- yes, in terms of their own. You know what we saw your strangers about is a Senate republican Carcass is still very much gives at least a little bit commendation. I would argue from President trot sort of reminded me actually took junctures in the last four years where they soon that he would essentially recede or that the scandal that he had caused would eventually about rate they can move on without having to do any of the sort of heavy lifting to censure, push back constrain him than hers on certain other might be there. Because he's out of office now he doesn't twitter feed, but what we saw yesterday was Republican Party that still very much feels intimidated by him. This poll shows that there is slippage that, if only sixty five percent,

republicans feel like you- should have a major and minor role in the future. Their party- and this is only a couple weeks- every left off- is that there is in fact a poor there are other issues that are ready to move on media viewed asset same question of Barack Obama Willie at this stage, We in the nineties, in fact Barack Obama's self funding. First primary, when some Democrats were suggesting that he was Liberal enough, we kept, gently, reminding those Democrats packing rock Obama, the guy, had a ninety percent approval rating inside the party and if you ask a question, the other Paul is more interesting to me. Put up the other pool where asked Donald Braun again, because this is a threat he's been making the Republicans nationwide? That number drops down to fifty six sent- and I gotta say if I'm out of office and and I want to run again and

I'm Donald Trump, and only about one in two republicans- are saying that you know what, maybe maybe it don't run again that actually does show erosion of support for a guy that held this we completely and sway not so long ago. The other numbers made me slipping, but what those Republican Centre showed us yesterday, as they still fear him, they fear him more than they fear the consequences letting him go and letting this attack and our capitals I mean they just do and cases you got on the less, as I said earlier, that only five Republicans vote against this motion from ran, Paul is is pure, as we fear this guy who's gonna wake up this morning and palm Beach and go play golf and shoot ninety two or whatever he's gonna do today their job

plain scared of him they're scared of what he could mean for their political future. Is it that simple case? I think that's basically the case Willie each member has their own individual reasons for you, no feeling this way they have whether there have family considerations there trying to make a buck each one of them has to make their own set of calculations, but the reality, is Donald. Trump still has an incredibly strong hold over many of the people that they would need to vote for them if they were to run for re election. I think what Rob Portman does will be a real test because he is now not running for reelection. So in theory that freeze him up to not have to be accountable to and to make a decision that is purely based on conscience and what he thinks is the right thing to do.

He told our team on the hill yesterday that his vote on this process, question shouldn't be interpreted as his decision on conviction or not, but he also told Fox NEWS that his decision not to run isn't going to affect his vote on whether to Donald Trump or not. So there are some Lindsey Graham, is out there trying to say. While we should be afraid that Donald Trump is going to create a third party that would permanently breaks the Republican Party and half because of course, if Donald Trump tried to take port and run, and it actually worked Republicans would likely never have king majority in the Congress again, I think history is full of academic fear. About a third party in american politics with no really seen something like that actually happen. But that's where we are. There are still a number of of trump apologists people who are trying to get back close to him haven't Mccarthy spent a week with Donald Trump Madame. It is now turning round and trying to get back in his good graces. So I they.

Continuing to act, the way they have for the last four years. You know fascinating Lindsey. There is setting sang it that if they don't treat Donald Trump right, he could break. The republican Party. That's like Lindsey Goin out chopping figurines. I think he shouted for figure again a little and solving a yard or in this delicate, to operate and break and all over the floor, linseed said I gotta be more careful or I may break a big yuri right, but That's just it's. It's light Lindsey your yadda is. In a thousand pace and your party is broken and at that Ten paces, rather, I dont know if Lindsey has been paying attention lightly, but Donald Trump? This guy is the Republican Party, just what Lindsey Gram when it

figurine Shop and induce sixteen Sadie was gonna. Do to the Republican Party is destroying the Republic Republican Party he's broke in the report. Working Party, is, is we ve been a warning about what I've been warned that he's gonna break the Republican Party he's done exactly what We ve been warning Republicans it though he was first president, since Moreover, I think to lose the house the Senate, Andalusia, The White House created a civil war in Georgia. The guide guys I liked into the United States Senate that would nor, We never get elected to the United States Senate in Georgia, one of Looks like a cast member to war and babies movie rads from the nineteen entities, the deck I'd. Never No, I didn't Georgia's day wide buddy because Donald Trump Mouth, Donald Trump

is stored and civil wars Arizona Republican Party and they or the Republican Party theirs. The disease that is first of all, it is even cancer it is I'm alive. It's killed it. and now he's stole into the Republican born. Lindsey thanks, figurine might get, but not much I can read news Can he has lorries is broken, a thousand pieces, any still scared. The Donald Trump may break it more depressed and it happened to be determined My party is Donald trump me. I do see how without Trump they were? I've been able the Democrats to win the White House, the Senate and the house. Representatives what out with the assistance of bizarre demagoguery of Donald Trump and see now members of the republic and leadership continued to pray

the pieces of the broken laws that he dropped broke all rather than try to up the pieces and re glue it and put the party back together again is gonna led into the mid term elections where they're going to lose again. They keep it up. the mid term elections are just next year very even lose more cause no one as the moral backbone to stand up and say we have broken less pick up these pieces and put it back together again there, are actually kicking the pieces around king, it worse by distance gambling whatever pieces they could try to pick govern repair and oppose tromp world and Joe this read to these republican centres from Donald Trump is not implicit. In fact, some of his aids, the small team He still has a random called around capital. He'll talk to some republican senators in the last several just to remind them that the former president

watching and it looked like yesterday with their vote. I believe and you're still so, who are you mean the guy that laws the house where the Republicans who also Senate for the Republicans and who was a white house where the Republicans is watching yeah turned the channel? I mean and by the way, the entire conservative movement now making you look at some of these, so called and said that nothing can serve about it's like snowflake network but the movement that was. Wants to find Edmund Burke, by Soul, Kirk, William of Buckley by Margaret Thatcher. by Ronald Reagan, food they turn to now. Master pillow

we'll be right. Back my pillow President Joe Biden and russian President Vladimir Putin had their first phone call. Yesterday since Biden took office according to the White House is read out of the CALL Biden quote: reaffirmed the United States firm support Four Eu Ukraine summit Don T he also raised other matters of concern, including the seller, wins, have reports of Russia places bounties on United States, soldiers and Afghanistan, interference in the twenty twenty United States selection, and poisoning of Alexei, Laval, nay, refer To the jailed opposition leader in Russia, the wider statement also says quote: Mr Biden made clear that the United States will act firmly in defence of its national and

rests in response to actions by Russia that harm us. Or our allies, the crime. Also issued its readout emphasising different elements of the call. According to the aid paid, the Kremlin described the chat between Biden in Budapest, quote Frank and businesslike, and quote noted that normalization of ties between Russia and the United States would serve the interests of both and how I couldn't agree actually with that state. More Jonathan Le Maire. It doesn't do the United States any good when Russia whenever it wants to do, and Donald Trump is, is pretending that they don't exist. The United States Senate is moving at its own direction against Russia. You need a president who can to another presidency this our problem, You know, I mean sayings, this goes against: U S interested, offends our basic values, and then they come

with their their responses or their problems and that Actually how the dialogue begins. That's how we actually perhaps may move dad a constructive relationship with Vladimir Putin's Russia talk about our differences and that's what I thought was helpful. about the call yet isolated on the line, and Russia's said: ok. Ok, so let's look talk through there's lots of an open and frank relationship. You're. My colleague and I will we broke news of this phone call. Yesterday, Joe we were struck by that is well. It can't be overstated a sharp difference in tone and approach that President Biden is taking as opposed to his predecessor? Donald until we know always felt very warmly, the latter of whom is rather enamoured with him throughout his campaign and presidency, and never stood up for him there's an election appearance

others, and I think, even the backstory. This call is telling the Biden Putin did not speak during the campaign. Must our reach out at the end of last week, one to set up the call the White House agreed by and said yes, but said. First, he wondered priority speaking to its european allies, the UK, France, Germany, Even yesterday, in the hours before speaking to Putin, he spoke to the Secretary Well of NATO force reaffirming you commitment to that alliance, which was founded as a bulwark to russian russian before he even the phone. Putin and he was very clear. This call, of course, happens just days after Russia was rocked with protests about the imprisonment of electing the vonny. The opposition leader Biden was clear. He brought that up express disapproval with that arrest, Andy cheers is, as you said, was that he was no make it very clear, is no reset your does not tempted to reset with Russia's relations with Russia, but rather by The explicit in clear about the things that he found TAT he had problems with election

for its between sixteen and twenty twenty, the boundaries the Taliban to take out american troops can't stand the solar wind cyber hacking, but also wants me Someone for diplomacy, including this, that the new Start Arms Control Treaty, which is supposed to expire in just about two weeks. and both sides, though the redoubts from the: U S and Russia governments there always different, but both sides did agree on that crucial point. The progress was made in expectation of the deal is good will happen in the coming days. Yeah and you know I always thought it was if if you were Russia, and I know this sounds counter intuitive. but I always thought stein that it was not Russia's best interest, they have a present. So clumsily beholden item your poor Vienna wait. What is Putin care about White white to russian leaders? about you know,

They want movement on sanctions, they they want to do. To move forward in a constructive way with the United States on sanctions if they can do that. That was never going to happen. Well, you had a president Millions of Americans still believe for some reason has been compromised by Vladimir Putin. Having this Frank discussion moving forward. This way I'm going. I guess counter intuitively may act be in Russia's best interest, I disagree with you here. I mean what stood out to me about the binding com is just how traditional it was for to draw those lines and also try to strike this diplomatic turned, especially on testing bans for nuclear weapons ballistic weapons,

This was the normal type of Africa. Russia trumps was the abnormal a password Patricia the goal. A centrally should be the same, I'm not publish it. We can apply Trump, yet could not sure we're not truly shorted motivations were, but the goal is essentially to get Russia be less of a belligerent actor on the international stage to bring it back in two or more. a part of international treaties, and in petitions to essentially stop interference, indifferent theatres, now trump really tried heavy carrot, approach, binding design, to do that more is stick and carrot approach. The question we have now is a network. Will it work? Clearly we have warriors of evidence that were trumps approach, while the clarity, durability, deter him much crushes a territorial sovereignty in Ukraine's election the appearance, hacking all the stuff that we want to prevent. As a country can

in persistent, will bind in his new posture change that I dont know. I will ask the seal of approval being the pudding, but he's just bring us back to what is a tradition Well, U S presidential parts Records roster Russia write it do you also can look back at the last three presidencies in its very obvious, invited Mr Putin did not respect George W Bush? Morocco Bomb or Donald Trump, invaded. George Bush administration, a guy you said so that quota I can see into his eyes and saw his soul in vain, in Ukraine during the presidency of Barack Obama, they talked about Reset Obama said hey, I'm gonna be free to do more things after I'm reelected. They responded to that I invading Ukraine,

and of course, Donald Trump speaks for himself, while what we're talking about foreign policy really quickly, Willie Anti Lincoln is now going to be The secretary is the Secretary of State now approved by the United States Senate, and I think it better. Mentioning a wall. We have talked of unity on many issues: there so for all Joe Biden Point is have gotten in pretty easily Jessica Ellen Anthony, blanket, and the west Jan Egeland was sworn in yesterday by common Le Harrison Secretary of State Entity, but blinking now well sworn in by Britain, pretty good margins, not what we ve seen historically, but you know eighty four fifteen boats like that, and yet he will, as we heard, that call Secretary of state blinkin we'll take the relationship with Russia.

in particular, in a new direction. Its shouldn't be exe ordinary, that Joe Biden brought up the issues that he brought up on that call, they seem obvious to most, but it is stored in areas, he tries to unwind the policies of Donald Trump. Since time. Thank you very much for being on this morning. Coming up, Utah's Republican, Governor Spencer Cox warns that the current efforts distribute the covered vaccine can not below Calvin states had to scramble for PPP at the start of the pandemic, something he likened the hunger games, he'll be our gas. This morning, warning jello be right back,