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presenting LOS Angeles since nineteen fifty one. Why a game good morning and welcome the morning Joe, is Monday February Fourteenth happy Valentine. It's too happy, though, in its day meet presence with, as we have those of weight to early in my house, beer cheat the politico jive from the mayor who says he's bright eyed and bushy tailed. This morning's and author of Award winning Sport and award winning sports calmness. Mike Loop occurs with us this morning as well. There was a look here. I do it. The rams kept offers only nine. Your drive laid the fourth quarter and one Europe touchdown reception for Coover CUP for would be the game one score. Ella was aid on the final ride by just a ton of penalties in the last two minutes after we too flags were thrown over the first. Fifty eight minutes, penalties against Cincinnati on three consecutive place put away in position for the go ahead. Touchstone that would ultimately determine the champion that

our fence of ever by copying for centuries, with thirty nine yards and a seven year, Grundig invent the fourth down during savings in Dr Cup add Super bowl and the key to resolving a player. The year award finished last night's game with a total of eight reception. for me to yards into touchdowns. Despite being, I will deal for much of the game that two fellow wiped out junior scored, scorned against first touchdown, went out with a me and during the second quarter or back absence. Slow to allay of some cannot hide in the first play. The second now would you say t, Higgins, hauling at a seventy five year old pass for touchdown and Cincinnati their leave for the first time, which they would hold the final minutes. You gotta get melodic rises in the rams, the events which apply non, stop pressure beagles and sacks

Joe Borough, suitable record time. Seven times did have almost a minute and half of the regulation they get Cincinnati, they feel go raise the Bengals failed on three attempts, one. We are from the Right sporting eyes turn your son Morrison more Moorestown, the Defense Donald right, you just can't say a mouth Erin, don't wanna valleys, big stars thing upon the events inside the ball, getting the borough forcing within our task, and Wit

eternal thrown down surrounds, got possession took me rather oh god, and began celebrating the champions of victory Ellen now, the second time in a row to win the Superbowl in their homes stadium after TAT the the same thing A year ago, Michael is like a new tax and we during the game attacks- and I thought about two to thirty this morning, the texan deriving gangs in Cincinnati, they just don't put this game away? They keep the chance to put this game away? The trophy was right there in the Lombard. Trophy was right there for them to take it, and you know why these says. Does he is such a young guy, but borough wasn't able to do it now Ernie Course the great old giants, general manager, maybe Eli Manning trade. Why said the ultimate measure of a quarterback is this? Can heat his team down the field

Championship online, the last I Matthew Stafford. Did that obviously he's a lot more experienced the joke World an enjoyable didn't bring shell didn't you feel like in real time for two hours, the bangles one drive away from what the game away Donald Conversion Miller and defend just wouldn't let them and that's why they had. Given the envy Peter Errand last night is delicate. Look up. I think everybody would have been fine with that's what you're doing play dropping. It was John how many times in all those lost seasons in Detroit Matthew scampered, wonder it p ever have an alien to do you did last night and when asked to deliver, exactly what he did I must say Jonathan Wellmere yesterday afternoon, somebody to ask me who I thought was aware. I said I think beagles probably will pull it out, because Joe Burrow

he's just use a winning going, beat mix, save in college. He be Clemson for the national championship, I mean they. The guy just knows how to win, and On the other side, the boy you get Matthew, Stafford, a guy who's, learn delusions of Troy year after year after year, winning his habit losing its habit. It just is anybody in sports will tell you that Matthews after the last night. showed an old dog and learn new tricks It's just a hell of a drive, and that is that's what makes a great ones. I always tell the Montana story, driving down the field against the Bengals, for a reason, because some quarterbacks rise to the occasion under the worst, some circumstances and some down last night Matthew Staff or dead,

the bangles had a team of destiny feel them for a while there and they want to Kansas City barrel, beat patch me homes on the road you felt like he was gonna. Do it again last night too, but it pretty the second half the pressure from the Rams defensive line was just immense borough. Had no time to throw and credit to staff for a couple of pigs shaking early but settled down, it was money on that last Dr Cooper CUP, best favour in football, a question and that with beckoned out the rams another weapons, the bangles knew the ball was going to come every play there and I still got to be completed.

On the fourth down one, because it could run by the wise and then on a number of completions credit to Stafford who's, that more than a decade, as you say in Detroit, your top season after tough season and when I finally got the stage here he pulled through this- was I wouldn't say this: the great game was compelling was close. It wasn't all that will play. There is a stretch their what it felt like. It was just three out punt, throwing out Pont Three out Pont, but you can ask for more than a yelp again coming down in the final minute or two. It looked like the bangles one. First down away from getting on the outer edge of film arranged our kicker, so good. They shot to tie it that the rain, defence held credit for that. Why am I gonna save my glued guy? I agree with you the Rams events and why I probably should have been the end peace collectively? You Yemen's Donald, give it to the defence of wide all night. They they were the ones and stepped up time and time again joke you're broke out sacks. Seventy seven zero times the season he guessed

in one place came nine times and survive. He got six seven times last and they were all the other. Russia's Inuit, we saw the last Superbowl Patrick Mohamed, look human because nobody black form an ad the greatest bureau has been is in Asia. Is a wonderful kid to watch. He had a chance to pull off that triple crown national championship. I presume walk if if he does have time to throw, did he has no chance for Joe? You write down. she's your whole recall, Logan, Wilson on third down the line. They call it for him. staff in the rams. Maybe we're having a different conversation this morning, all right. So speaking this morning, football season is over collar, but over. We see fell season is over now we can avert our eyes to a man I can support. That is,

of course, major league baseball. I wanna know what those clowns are due in negotiating right now to make sure that all the small towns and cities across Amerika who depend on that month or two of spring training revenue, what are they doing to get onto the field and start practising so weak have a regular season after to cover it shortens seasons Joe spring training was supposed to begin this week and an come you know a tremendous world series and and right after all, the good will. Then they went all that time during the offseason without negotiating. Now that the major league has put a new plan on the table stop me if you heard this one before the girl S great Emily between these two sides, and you just talk at some point: everybody's gonna get into the room and say

we cannot push back the start of this regular season after what has happened over the last two seasons, because this is you're. Joking right, this is supposed to be such a sweet time for basic in Florida in Arizona the stories were supposed to have begun already in and if it's a date your have spring training games going on in a couple weeks, it would be so generously for this for There is real concern among those immediately based. While there are some gratitude the NFL sees was longer this year, provided him some cover people what really talking about baseball, yet, if so that the Lebanese going on, but that's a different story, but Et Saturday, the two sides, Joe and people I talked to close to say, like a little. August was made, but only a little. They ve got a long way to go. There they're not close on a number of core issues, this

no next negotiations session sat there some hope it could be this week, but they ve got a huge gaps to bridge in right now does little to no chance. I am told the spring training start on time. You're gonna lose work out. You can have attention New spring training games opening day at the moment it's about time. You get opening day settled, but that's in jeopardy too. March thirty first and if opening day is pushed back, you start losing major, regular, seizing games as devastating as will be to lose spring training gameshow far much far far worse to lose regular she's in games, particularly right coming out of a pandemic. There's not gonna be much appetite among the american public free, billionaires areas. First, millionaires battle I was going to say, and these billionaires and millionaires I hope they ve enjoyed their there, whether break, because I sure, as hell haven't been sitting down talking

each other they just have they haven't been negotiating AIDS is then basically are saying that hell with fans the hell with light lets us lets us whatever park, you go to their people. Who were all year to be able to take their kids to see three four five baseball games and he's billion airs. And these millionaires, who are fighting each other didn't even couldn't even break a sweat to sit down and negotiate this So we had spring training, and so we have a regular seas and it's a disgrace. They need to get to work MIKE lubricant. Thank you so much angry migration, your new novel, incredible number, one with a bullet baby co James Patterson, it's called though horsewoman and this thing- they're, not the the charts

Every single best sellers last stand. What an incredible bug my thanks so much for being within. Let's get to our top headlines this morning, a strong diplomatic push was under way over the weekend as they. U S, escalate, the warning that Russia may invade Ukraine quote any day. President Joe Biden spoke to Ukrainian President's olenska by phone yesterday, reaffirming that the USA and its allies would respond quote so. clay and decisively if there is an invasion accordingly white house. The two leaders agreed on the importance of continuing to pursue diplomas, and deterrence in response to Russia's military build up on Ukraine's borders, but things don't look good. The gall came Zalewski a day after Biden again spoke with russian President Vladimir Putin, which did not result in any break through this. As the U S is concerned that Russia will stage an incident in the car,

days. That would create a false pretext: foreign invasion. We cannot perfectly predicted, but we have now been saying for some time that we are in the window and an invasion could began. A major military action could begin by Russia and Ukraine any day. Now that includes this, coming we before the end of the Olympics. Of course, it could take, after the end of the olympics- or it is still simple. We believe that Russia could choose the diplomatic path, but the way they have built up their forces. The way they have maneuver things in place makes it distinct possibility that there will be major military action very soon. Meanwhile, some airlines have cancelled or diverted flights to Ukraine and asian stock markets fell today, while oil prices rose amid concerns about possible, russian invasion. this has: Moscow continues with its military, build up now amassing more than

one hundred and thirty thousand troops right along Ukraine's border according to the Associated Press, let's ringing right now, former NATO's, primarily commander retired, for Store Navy Admiral James Tribute, as he says, chief international security diplomacy analyse for NBC News Msnbc, also news rector for new lines, magazine Michael. Why said, let's begin with you, bombarded by emails this week in first by people suggesting that any military action anywhere sickly is as war crimes stamped all over. It other side, of course, was the Joe Biden is not doing enough. He sits in troops to Ukraine. He should do whatever it takes to stop Russia from going again in India, Ukraine of course, backwards. world war? Three? So my question to you is this: why can the Biden administration do? What else? Can NATO allies do shorter Point troops and the NATO I mean:

and are you crying shorter point troops in the Ukraine? What can we do to avert and invasion? Well, Joe you're, the guitar as stuff. You know the old ones, savant song, send lawyers guns and money. That's action. Pretty good way to think this, and I think the administration is kind of gun that the lawyers are the diplomatic piece of this work. The treaty work with the allies. Try push Russia into the Box of international law. The guns pretty obvious, we ve got to contain the flood the zone with meaning military weapons that are defensive, but leads us. So that's javelin missile stand is missiles to go after ear and armor respectively in the money, Joe. That's, the sanctions keep showed the Russians what the pain will be. I think They ve done all that. If I were you

but and add a couple more things. I would get very aggressive in cyber. the end of the day. The first thing that goes across a border ain't gonna be missiles, aircraft, tanks, it's gonna, be electrons. It's gonna be a cyber attack. It'll go after the grid of the cranium so helping them prepare for that showing the Russians a little bit about offensive. Cyber might make some sense now and the other thing Close for this here, the admiral's gonna say it to the sea looked to the black sea? Get our destroyers of fair, not an account translational away, but yet in a position to kind of cheap top mine too. The rush. then use here, cyber and maritime, as well as what we're all correctly focused on the land Michael wives, the lawyers guns and money are all in place. Why does Russia keep pushing the envelope rising

Putin. You know that this is more than just about NATO, enlargement and related getting the end of the cold war. Crane cannot afford by his lights, to become functioning democracy. It can and cannot afford to become a pro western country, and he has tried, by hook or by crook, beginning in twenty fourteen, by violently trying to abort this Euro Maidan Revolution and then x in Crimea and then starting the sturdy Warren Dumbass. He has tried to install this contingents, so he has failed. He can achieve it by his mind to politics and diplomacy, essentially a form of state capture or state influence. So now it's it's guns pointed at key. It surrender basically the linsky. He wants regime change, that's the strategic objective and he wants. Ukraine to big, become part of his sphere of influence in perpetuity. Michael, I suggest failure on Putin for its ingest failure in turn

Inside of Russia, its ingests failure, even in Ukraine, that he actually had ukrainians, some Ukrainians, who were pro Russia now they they ve all turned against him. I would guess if you were doing better at home here, I've been looking westward to go into Ukraine that absolutely right, I mean you know what are the irony is that this whole conflict is that he has made the Ukrainians to rediscover their sense of people who had their sense of nationhood. Also, another irony and Ukrainians will will sort of say this sort of virtue, but the territory's that Russia next and is now militarily occupying Crimea, the dawn the industrial kind of east of Ukraine. These are the most historically pro russian areas of the country, so I mean ukrainians I'll, tell you. We will fight to the end to liberate all of our territory, but they lost a kind of wink at nudge and say by the way, he's penned up all the fifth columnists in one of the reasons that

Country has developed politically, culturally, socially of the last eight years. Is we don't have these these kind of rogue elements influencing the you know, the trajectory of our nation, So in a way, Ukraine has inadvertently done a huge favour. I'm sorry, Mr Putin has done a huge favour, two to the country of Ukraine, and I think he realizes that that is his could calculations and strategically backfire. my speaking of strategically backfiring admiral. There can be anything Lattimer Putin likes about watching NATO troops moving the in. U S troops moving into Poland. We we were sitting rewards out of their than that USA soldiers G eyes were walking through polish villages and being treated as liberate site. They were being hard and there

Basically, where were you at nineteen nineteen? Thirty? Nine? Where were you my guide but you're here now, and so the poles, absolutely thrilled other people across central and Eastern Europe were thrilled that they're saying a mirror presents NATO presents, it seems to me this would be the last thing. Vladimir Putin would want so much. since this. How do we do the pressure? If he does invade how many more troops do we send Nepal? Anyhow me more troops, do we send the other central and eastern european countries are like What you're, thinking and I'll add another shrimp on the bar be witches think about how this is playing in two other countries that are now NATO members but have in, credibly capable militaries right now. to Russia, that would be thin. In Sweden, neither of them have chose the joint NATO over the years. They are

the competent those soldiers have served under my command and NATO. Way when we love to have them. You know we watch Hugh Crain with this year's long process. I always say to the Swedes, and the Finns tell us you wanna, join NATO on Wednesday will have you win on Friday? That's Paul, The irony you're, describing in terms of additional? U S true, presents, don't forget Joe, we ve already got it thousand New S, troops still in Europe. We send another three thousand plus three thousand. So U S is kind of where we need to be. I would add, more western european troops Goin to Eastern Europe, get the Brits descend market, French to send more get the Italians. The Spaniards system work showed unity of effort in the alliance, Ray for other allies swedes fans genuine or show Vladimir Putin? Your point- irony of how this is gonna backfire on him out

and admiral. I guess my question is this: where those fifty thousand troops and Western Europe, how me those troops, Should Joe Biden move from Western Europe and Interpol and Western Europe in the other countries moving closer again, not because we want to provoke anybody, but just because we want to say: listen if you going into Ukraine, how do we know you're not going to continue going West exactly right? and you could pull those? U S: troops out of ITALY, out of stir Germany and them into Bulgaria, Poland, Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, again show Vladimir Putin bad behaviour is gonna, be rewarded. On the other side of the coin, last thought we haven't mentioned but there is another audience at play here and that is China

Both sides are signalling to China, and in particular Putin's play here is, a signal to heed that he Putin is a big actor on the international stage. Another reason NATO should be standing strong in the face of this, because there are challenges elsewhere in the world ass. Well, so, Michael, the, why asked for a while now has been say, every ominous warnings, not a positive innovation and that escalated sharply on Friday, we heard from national scrutinise your Jake solving Petite over the weekend. Saying innovation. Have it at any minute Maroni the weight to the Olympics. You just in Ukraine for weeks or so give us a contrast to what you heard there, and why do you think he's the landscape is so quick to go. The other way into really try to tempt down the threat will support for the peace. presents a linsky. This is about not sewing panic right. He says

We will do Russia's bidding for them. If we go into this kind of perpetual war footing, it'll affect our economy. You ve already seen now. Commercial airline companies have have not been ensured that their cancelling flights. This is exactly the scenario that the Ukrainians want to avoid. Keep calm, carry on now, some might say, that's being little too naive, it's the politics of the ostrich. I would call it the politics of cyborg in reference to the fighters who defended done yet international airport? Their argument is look. We're at war been at war for eight years. What Putin wants host political destabilization in key. Let me give you a few examples In January there's a massive cyber attack which took down several government ministries, the weak, is there, and this wasn't widely reported. There were bombed threats that were issued to schools, including kindergartens outside of keys. I was due to meet an ambassador from NATO country at an embassy. I had to meet

the cafe why several western embassies receive bond threats the week I was there. This is all the coordinating cut, a kind of campaign that Russia has already been doing. Ukrainians think look. We are not blind to this group felt that we understand that the manpower, the fire power, that Putin is amassed at our borders all around our borders, fellow rests in the east and also in trends in Austria. We think so he's playing a psychological came guns pointed at keep forcing us to make these concessions. We don't want to make, we cannot make politically. The people will will turn against us if we can a cave on bass and the incorporation of the so called people's republics. There is also another sentiment here. I spoke to a senior european intelligence officer who was actually frankly, skeptical the Russians would move in for many many months now he's less sceptical, but he says what the Americans are doing quite cleverly as they are getting their retaliation and first they are leaking every scrap, every morsel of intelligence from the russian side in order to telegraph to Putin's regime. We know what you

and thinking about so don't try it and also remember Putin is a former KGB case officer, intelligence, counter intelligence matters greatly to him they met. in policy of deterrence which is now essentially being litigated through the press. We're all talking about this imminent or inevitable. Invasion is also too to show him you're running a leaky ship I trust your people, because we have sources in your government that are telling us everything that you're looking to do have much more on this. Coming up a little later on morning, Joe Admiral James, to have read us and Michael wise. Thank you both very much for being on this morning also, still I had on morning, Joe the debate happening inside the Biden administration over to roll back, a covert restrictions plus a vote. Trade link between the? U S and Canada reopens after me, blocked by protesters for almost a week and inside Mitch Mcdonald's campaign to take back the Senate and thwart Donald Trump will break down

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Bridge reopened, that there had been twenty five to thirty a rests, no one had been injured as a result of any police interaction. The protests began late last month when a group of truck drivers angry with covert vaccine mandates parked by Canada as parliament, and refused to leave those tests eventually expanded to include the bridge convoy. Canadian President Justin Trudeau has said everything is on the table when asked how the government will handle the protesters we'll, be following bad and now to the controversy at the winter Olympics, involving russian figure skating, star, Camilla, valued by the ten year old has been clear to compete in this week's individual event, despite failing test in December, before the gains the court of arbitration for the sport released ruling,

least its ruling less than twelve hours after a quickly arranged hearing yesterday, saying Valley, EVA does not need to be professionally suspended ahead of a full investigation according to the AP the core gave her a favourable decision in part because she is a minor, no in a limping jargon as a protected person and is subject to do rules from an adult athlete rush, visual save Alyosha has passed to drug tests since the one in question for now. It says Europe for an attempt at a second gold medal invasion, value that and her fellow russian skaters can also aim for the first podium sweep of women's figure skating in a limp dick history. They events starts with a short programme tomorrow and concludes Thursday with the free state. Today's decision pertains only to whether believe I can continue to compete, not the outcome of the vote

The Irish Sea says it will now hold a metal ceremony for the team figure skating event during the vision games because of the controversy and it all won't hold ceremonies for the women's individual event. If a win. This is like a hate, dishonest and mere where they don't get it. If she's doping, it's ok because she's fifteen years old, if she's doping, after, of course, the entire russian teamwork- was banned from the alembic. Let because the the organization will I do with doping factory. I don't don't quite understand this white. What why whether they talk about King Solomon, trying to split the baby here. Explain this to me.

Joe? Is that even the Olympics, without a russian doping scandal, apparently not yeah? It's unclear what happens here that the? U dynasty also announced today that, were she to win her team to win going forward a metal they wouldn't do a metal ceremony again suggests that will what's the point here elegant if you're going to say that her victory is tainted to the point we are not going to celebrate it. Why is she being allowed to compete and their arguments easily look she's fifteen? Maybe she was given this medication is doping that does this drug without her consent or knowledge. That seems to be the idea here there try. Take it easy on are not punish her for the mistakes of others, for the mistakes of adults.

but the Russians certainly don't deserve. The benefit of the doubt here in terms of of doping is becoming part of fear. A loop programme now calls into question not just a team event from last week, but going forward. Is she if she's alive, to compete? How can the other skaters feel like it's a level playing field or in this case playing ice the only I mean it's were its preposterous first of all: either either there was doping. Are there wasn't it? There was doping, then you have to qualified the russian team that's what we're just not going to hold a metal ceremony, that's where and then they say, oh and by the way we're going to do in individual events and because she doped but she's under fifteen we're not going have any metal ceremonies for that either either she's energies. Out of all this coming, I can it can you believe the iron sees actually screwing, something god

I got. A lot of questions can wholly we'll talk about this. Coming up Sarah Palin furiously at New York Times how the former governors lawsuit is testing a key, component of libel law plus form of as an emperor Obama's advice to Democrats to help prevent the same type of shall lacking that he experienced in his the term here J morning Joe we'll be right back Hey it's crochet is this: we gonna Pike S wise is happening I'll, be talking with writer, an author on global gut check on the state of Afghanistan. the: U S bears a moral and political responsibility trying to address. What did it? cars from the very beginning, which means trying to help create institutions supporting the regime. Even if we

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twenty minutes before the job of the hour alive. Look at the capital of beautiful morning coming up in Washington, DC former Alaska governor. Sarah Palin took too witness stand last week to tell a jury. She was the mercy of a Goliath against which Shape powerless when first learned, twenty thousand and seventeen New York Times editorial, suggested her campaign. Rhetoric. Help in a mass shooting pale and also accused the paper of deliberately fat getting lies that heard her reputation basis of a lawsuit accusing the paper of libel she's soon the times for unspecified damages back in twenty seventeen, alleging that were damaged her career as a political commentator and consultant with the Torreon about gun control. The editorial drew a link between parents, political action committee and the

twenty eleven shooting that wounded several pay including congresswoman, Gabby Giffords and killed six people, the peace Did the shooting took place, Europeans pack shared a map placing too a democratic law makers, including Giffords in stylized crosshairs in it section two days after the publication. The time said the editorial had incorrectly stated that a link existed between people, nickel rhetoric and Twenty eleven shooting ended and hid incorrectly described. The map, where's lawyers have argued. Pale and brand has not suffered from the episode pointing out that she still appears on television and gets hired for speaking engagements pale. can see. Then she never asked the times for a correction, retraction or apology before she filed the suit

Let's bring in legal affairs rapporteur at political, Josh, Gerstein and Emerson BC, legal landless, dandy, savannas. They both have been following this trial, thanks for being with us, so George, we just sell usually get these sort of cases at this level. The laws is fairly soon settled. What makes Poland's case against the New York Times different. Well, I think What you have is some conservative lawyers who believe they have a veto here or believed one time anyway, they out of vehicle here too, to really challenge that basic presumption, Joe the basic, actual malice standard that so moneyed many of us have grown up with that it very very hard. If Europe public figure for any damage is against a newspaper. You know in the last. Here for years you ve had just as Thomas Ye Tat justice corsage. I and some other federal judges say that they think that should be looked at.

again. So there is some are to do that, whether it's enough to actually make us here, is run at it. I'm not sure, but these lawyers seem to think that its in play and is there? Do you think, along with those justices, do think that there is actually a move by many Americans who want to see this standard altered Abed I mean I can think of one very prominent American. That repeatedly called for this standard to be altered and said it was to Google ART for public figures and, patients to sue over what he called a lot as in the media and that's former President Donald Trump Self. Their doubtfully some audience for changing this standard, whether there are enough people like that on the federal bank at this point too, actually bring about that kind of change, I'm not sure. On the Thing that's happened, as in much of the country have sort of a response by more liberal policy,

and, in this case, a New York's legislature, the law in twenty twenty that enacts the actual now standard as the law state of New York, regardless of what the? U S Supreme Court, does so that kind of thing a ranch into this plan by conservative lawyers, who we might mention, work the same lawyers that went after Gawker in that famous suit on behalf of her again and base we brought down tire news organization, or at least that media I guarantee you that that former president at least laws. One law suit on his hand. If the if this standard had been lowered, and that would be from a certain talk- show how to accused of murder, twice times when he knew it was a lie, but he was able to do it. because he hid behind this law, because all lawyer said because you, the public figure and that path- and I was- I was a public figure that he can basically accuse me of murder, which seems fairly.

Preposterous to me, but that's what I'm told current standard is Danny. Where are we in this case? A surveillance have chance of prevailing consider what the jury's told as already been told about what they have to decide. They have to decide that the defendant was reckless in and by that I mean recklessly disregarded. The the matter and additionally was reckless about whether or not it would defame Sarah Palin. That's a pretty hi burden to meet for a public figure, the Supreme Court prior to nineteen sixty four. The standard was just now budgets, that's a very low standard by comparison, but first they started with public officials and then it was extended to public figures and now, if you're famous, that's the standard that you have to meet and you dont edition you have the element that you look at the Lange this column. This editorial and it was essentially linked to political incitement was clear. Then the word incitement. Then

Times might have some wriggle room there in their defence and then finally, there arguing that, while Sarah Palin wasn't even really damaged by this, she appeared on tv. Arguably, you could even say that she was back into the spotlight after I've been relatively quiet for awhile. While to see you here talk to us, though, about the broader application Poland was to prevail in this case, what could that mean for not times, but the media industry writ large. It doesn't matter if european prevails, because whatever her legal burden is practically speaking, the dam to the New York Times has already been done the job and the world has seen the inner workings of what the news but it does when it's on a deadline. This isn't universe that we are familiar with crashing a deadline, but two regular lay people? It might seem at the operating it too much, next speed to be kept when in reality, during the play processes. Josh can tell us about there.

The editor sends it back to the writer and in this there was a little bit of. Maybe someone should have read it a little more before went out, but look that's the point that's that's crashing deadline and my thought I wonder if a jury of lay people might see this answer, jeez. This was maybe not reckless, but pretty darn close its close call in. since its trial- anything can happen, but if you just playing the odds, the New York Times should be safe. However, it could be surely really damage if it goes up and the Supreme Court- and I do think this is a court would take on this issue and would take on New York Times we Sullivan, if, if you dare that two years ago, I will send know that right, leading justices are the opposite of activists. Judges. I no longer I think this is a case they would be interested in taking if they had the opportunity Josh. Let's talk about the media culture. The Danny was just talking about how its changed over the past decade since

added Torreon was written. That's when we used to be the times the Wall Street Journal other other dailies, vague. They wouldn T have time to back research. This make sure they got it right. and then suddenly, everybody was rushing for deadline to get something online as quickly as possible. I can tell you on this: we we we, we would get information. We would put it up later, find out that it was wrong have to correct it. There's a story right now that that we were going to go with this morning. and we're we're taking another day and when studying it and impart we're starting at because what we ve learned the past decade talk about media culture? Two thousand eleven talk about media culture, two thousand twenty! Two as it pertains to what Danny's talking about this made the media is learning time and again, the car of this crash and burn culture.

it's one of these things ADA. I dont want to sound like a grandpa, but if you no the answer and, if you're having to rush to the deadline that means slow down. check your sources. Two three four times and get it right: the first time, John. That's almost exactly what James Bennet, the former the Tories page editor of the time sat. He said I wished. I had slowed down. What I think is the absurdity of irony of this trial is that the New York Times is fact checking process so layered and almost quaint air too, so many other people that are out there on the internet generated content on a date the hourly arm or minutely, and secondly, by assuming they said this editorial went through nine hands or nine sets of eyes But he caught this mistake. You know we're not even talking also by the news action at the New York Times. You know where you get see, that day would be I'm kind of urgent deadline to try to keep up with everybody else. This is it

Torreon section. That was if they were rushing rushing to comment on the days news event, so it did seem kind of instead to me that this was held up as some kind of carelessness recklessness sure they do. follow some of their procedures. Some people didn't read their emails or messages these layers of review don't apply to so many news organisations, media outlets and just Adam individuals, at her sitting out there on twitter, urging our content former president, all kinds of people, just art are doing this level slack checking that the times almost all the time well, I've got to say, and it is important to underline that point, because so many of the clowns you're out there right now bashing the New York Times and have news letters are our that are tweeting they spit out, lies every single day and they don't have, as you said, the quaint fact checking process.

The New York Times the Wall Street Journal the Financial Times a Washington post. Other papers do have politico we're, We do have layers and layers and layers of fact checking, and even with that so times wrong? Sometimes we all get it long. It does happen. but again for people than those letters that are constantly bashing the times and bashing the media things wrong yet take over and over again yeah. It's just rank about our sugar, a stain and Danny surveillance. Thank you both for being on this morning. We appreciate it will be following this, and still I had. Are we seeing evidence of a weakened Donald Trump The growing signs that the former presidents once unchallenged hold on the Republican Party is waning.

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