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As for that, leave, I'm glad you ve never done that jail ever on this shadow. Almost lists have long run or anything. Rivers are clearly highlights. Best exist are like he's Richards with so many women on J Com under the bed of authorities and the police are liable to lay down the swan yeah. Can you didn't even know you did it uses summer of love, now remembered it Jake? How many good morning and welcome to morning Joe it's Tuesday February fifteen? We hope you all have wonderful Valentine's day. You have good valentines dead. Ten with us, we have former Chairman Republicans National committee. Michael steel is with us, and this can be seen and Bc News national Affairs and lessen executive editor of the recount John, how men and NBC News Investigations reporter Tom Winter. A lot going on this morning in a moment will get to the potential development out of Russia. Russia's defence ministry saying this morning that some of the troops gathered around Ukraine were being loaded onto trains and trucks and sent back to their garrisons. We'll talk,

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Sir you'll ever often say he does well allied with a little sometime. understood diplomats understanding what the skilled diplomats wording certainly recognise that Saddam thicket those like what I play to be: that's the be loud Robert Brzezinski. Like put our chance. I can you do with Andrei Guy, like you know, what's the ok we're going to add to the situation in Ukraine, which is not funny at all, I'm just a moment, but first formal, proud tron for president. Do the comedian surprise they, who yesterday we're going to be debated yesterday, and this incredible said they're gonna be invaded yesterday and then later become outwardly with a statement saying was being ironic now you see this is a problem. When you have a comedian, present because you say hey guess: we are going to be invaded by the Russians tomorrow. Let a few people are going to die at your house, is gonna, be blown up, we're arguably slaughter and then later they had to explain he's a comedian. He's being

Iran comedies all on the timing, was poor. Timing is eighty carbon close kind of spreading time for Hitler. There is a gap in quality has performed by the way markets. Plunged after a man said not arouse despair. Running commentary on the western media would sit invasions coming to Morrow the major coming tomorrow. He says it's not coming on Americans, as you say she can t perhaps going forward. Google translate our facebook translate, which is where this really read into an issue yesterday, perhaps should not be over relying on when we're talking about a war between Russia and Ukraine, and they just kind of like one of those. This is where we're out here, I think, maybe the UK regions, that we give me a little has clear and then we would have now he would have. Then he said it actually being a duck

a dog and a person you want to know a they and inserted. Ok, ok, very well! I never get on top story to former president from long time ago. firm, Miss Tsars, USA, is cutting ties with him and the trunk organization, it can no longer stand behind a decades worth of financial statements from the trumps family. Business into a letter released by New York's attorney general. The holding firm, says documents from twenty eleven to twenty. Twenty should no longer be relied upon and advise the on organization to inform anyone who had received the statements not to use them. One testing, the financial health of the company or the form of resident

the statements are at the centre of two high profile. Investigations are criminal probe by the Manhattan district attorney and a civil investigation by New York attorney General Latisha James, just month, James said investigators had uncovered evidence that the former president and his company used fraud went or misleading valuations of its golf clubs, skies birds and other properties. Together loans and tax benefits. The Trump organization responded in a statement yesterday saying it was disappointed that massages had chosen depart ways but also noted. The firm haven't found material discrepancies in trumps, finance, statements such arm talk about this move people I was caught that it called yesterday trying to figure out exactly what this man said. Bad news for the Tramp organization, accounting firms. Hardly ever do this, let alone discount,

happen over the past ten years said this was pretty extraordinary. Move shirts of Mozart was digging through the files of the trunk tower on Fifth avenue and found a hundred million dollars worth of cash in the basement. I dont think they would be picking up the phone or typing letters that would say you know we really get to restate your financial statements for the last ten years. This is not a good development in every single expert that we have spoken with, has said that this is not something that is normal. This is highly unusual that they would send a letter like this and that

inside someone was what were they doing? What? Why did they send this lot? Will they said that they first paid attention to a meagre reference, which is the attorney general's filings back in January in some of the revelations that the attorney general says that they have come up with in the course of their civil investigation? On top of that, they said that they had their own internal investigation in they received information from both inside the company in outside the company that lead to them making this decision, and they said that they have a non favourable conflict of interests now with the Trump organization which could be potentially a promising look, there's no way the trumps can can can waive this here, they can't say well now you can stay on. This really is a conflict of interests. Conflict of interests, may bizarre, says, is on their side of things in so as a result, they came out and made this statement that letter was sent initially on February night. There was then provided to the attorney general and that's why we're able to see it today so tat? They say they can no longer stand by decades worth of these documents. Does that mean that.

prepared fraudulent documents in their acknowledging that now that they inflated deflated the prices of properties, inflating the square footage of an apartment from tower or does mean that someone further down the line doktor these documents have changed the number since the right question. It's probably a little bit too soon to say suit. You no account an accountant and accountants will tell you are these good as the information that they provided. So if they were provided with the wrong types of information, they were not provided with the right underline documentation or somebody instructed them to make a material. changes to it are those. The types of things that we're gonna have to see which cut what comes out in the course of these various investigations that reference John, what wait? What should take on it? Well, given that they are released last night, if I read the document right suggested, a colleague from has already provided over five hundred thousand pieces documentation, that's about with the right dissipates number and others that makes number, which means the fibre twenty five as a minimum, is a measure which is a very large number of the second thing.

in this age, you Tom, I saw some speculation from other legal experts last night that conflict of interests could suggest that the accounting firms now put to be working in Greece is we're cooperating actively with the investigations. That's why they realise there are in trouble. They don't want to go to jail for Donald Trump or face ribcage criminal, spacesuit, civil penalties and there now all in about the civil and the DA's criminal procedures it certain position, it certainly possible. It could also just signal that pay. We are attorneys have looked at this. We might have an issue here, we're at some point we're going to have to say something: that's adversarial to you. Our former are now former client, so it may not have gone that far just yet. We don't have any indication of that from the filing civilities told me specifically that that's the case, but does the pie

ability exists, the possibility does exist, and this is all just coming together. Is there a, and everyone says this is quite big. This says a lot of significance to explain how that means. Is there a precedent? Is there an example of this happening before that would give us an insight ass to where this is leading? Will typically, we see to public companies. So when private companies have this happened to them, it's usually not something involving a former president, the United States and right, not something that garners this type of attention. If its of their happens with the public company, if they ve trouble radiation was properly treated, we really need a stock that we be down fifty sixty eighty percent of this morning, because this is normally very concerning to investors. That's not the particular case here, but I think when you look at this, the bigger impact might be for trumps wallet and the Trump organizations future in that, if there material misrepresentations here there could be covenants in the loans that the president has with very fat various financial institutions, were they

could say: hey look. We have reason to call this loan in war. We have reason to perhaps adjust the interest rate that you're paying. This raises all sorts of issues. According to financial experts that we have spoken with my colleague, Gretchen Morgeson spoken with about we're. Does this go for the future of the rump organization in their outstanding alone, certain very hard, if you're, very heart, of your company, trying to service dead or or you're, with one covenants to have an account from turn on you in this way to ever hope to get any kind of finance again in the future. Trying to nothing short of an indictment

Then so rare chose you point out accounts doing it gets caught in the short of actually getting indicted is one of the worst thing that could happen in a company in a bit of institutional legal proceedings. I think you know where it will go whose rosebuds it's bad news cell of the? U S is closing its embassy in care, then moving staff out of the ukrainian capital, the White House says the window for our russian invasion into Ukraine is open and could happen at any time and be seen news chief foreign correspondent, Richard Angle, has more withdrew Missy going nowhere? This is not a good sign. Russian troops in Belarus practicing urban combat. U S. Official say this week is critical, clearing. Russia is now able to attack with little or no warning so the this is now moving its embassy personnel out of the capital to western Ukraine. A move critics eyes by Ukraine's President Zalewski, suggesting it showed weakness c and

its key was dismissive of U S, intelligence that Russia, could soon invade, which he says. Com This panic numbers. They tell us that we worry sixteen October the day of the attack. We will make this a day of unity. He said his aids later said he was referring to recent media reports. Meanwhile, Ukraine's ambassador to the UK is walking back comments that Ukraine might forego. It's me, to join NATO. A key role demand this weekend in Biden, spoke with President Putin. No breakthroughs. she's foreign minister met the russian president at the end of yet another long table telling him there still room for diplomacy, prudent in a tight Corbett. Bubbles has met leaders at what seems like social distance plus Russian as it won't invade what in Ukraine some family our getting ready for war training to handle in a forty, seven is Ballantine constant.

Stokes KIA, a seventy nine year, old, retired accountant and a great grandmother Thank you to actually be doing this, the most support and will come. I should be able to shoot, she says she's in the front lines which are to anger reporting there. There is developing news as we speak this morning when it comes to russian troops movements. Russia's defence ministry says this morning. Some of the troops gathered around Ukraine would being loaded onto trains and trucks and sent back to their Garrisons the New York Times is framing this way, tentative sign that Russia could be stepping away from the threat of an invasion, calling it the quote most concrete signal, yet that Russia might be trying to de escalate the military stand up. However, this reported pull back of russian forces comes just hours after the Associated press reported In truth, movements have wrapped up in the past. Forty eight hours in the military is continuing to attack with it.

Preparations along Ukraine's border satellite images taken over the past few days, show increase russian military activity in Belarus, Crimea and in western Russia, including the arrival of helicopters, ground attack, aircraft and fighter bomber jets at Ford Locations Journey is now former chief of staff of the CIA and Department of Defense, NBC News. National security analyse Jeremy bash Jeremy Good Morning, so that breaking report does come from. The russian government itself comes from state media about the reported pull back. of troops. It conflicts. What a lot of people are seen on the ground, surveillance aircraft are showing as well. So how do you square these two reports is way too soon early Willie, to call this a de escalation weed have any information that Russia's trying to de escalate. In fact, Contrary they increase the number of their battalion tactical groups from about eighty. three two hundred and five they ve got five hundred combat. craft raided ago they ve got forty two

call boats and warships in the black sea. the entire force posture from invasion. If they wanted to de escalate, they would Please say much more significant than these sites we have seen in the last couple of hours, but Michael still, though, if you just listen to our reports this morning and read the papers where we certainly giving Vladimir Putin exactly what he wants he wants to be talked about. You want to do from two thousand sixteen ford we're we're following reports where they're saying that he's the troops are, being you know our retreating or going back to their garrisons other troops. Saying, though, moving forward its guessing game, one gets a sense that he and Russia vigil. wanna stay relevant. They want to stay in the game they want is talking about him every day. I think that's a big part. Of a lot of what we ve seen or on at one end of it, but I also think this is important

trying to figure out? Ok, just how far can I stretched the line here? How far can I go? What what's gonna be the west of the West response, but only the United States, how easily will it be for the United States government to galvanise NATO That's why you see and have seen over the past year, so trying create those fishers throwing up China in the face of of Washington in that relationship. So I think you I think there's a multi level approach by Putin here, not saying he some spin bengali in this stuff than that. This some brilliant strategy here. Am, I sense, a lesson and from very smart people who in the no this that that he's, trying to figure out ok, we're the new lines going to be, and he was to have a hand in pushing where those lines will also be end up. I think at the end, I think it's gonna be harder for him to

full frontal approach and to Ukraine The way this may have started out, because you have seen the West galvanise, you have seen a greater unity of purpose and focused by by the administration to make a clear. This is where the line is where an end to an island. There is no doubt that, after two thousand fourteen fruit and thought basic. Walked in the Crimea. I did states that even provide defence of weapons in first probably I was gonna, be repaid. Miss read some things. It binding did in Afghanistan we're we're sitting right now and in February four different, then I'm sure he felt we're going where we would be in December. You ve got NATO shoulder to shoulder in the Germans and are we

a good bit about the Germans being off. The reservation will not really. The Germans are actually now shoulder to shoulder with this and are in fact going to be delivering message to pursue that invasion. Leads to really tough sanctions. Fine- and I think you know it's one of those things where matters and circumstance are widely different. But you know that the the the course of human events, like things have have have knock on effects right, and I think one of the things that you saw here was the hour. The politics are driving this, but the the combination of the history which binds intimately familiar with what happened Crimea, the mistress- could not be doing anything more different than what measures did back in twenty forty as right. like we're gonna do somewhat very different. When can we learn those lessons are really tried to apply them and There are in this situation where they recognise the stakes here, not just the stakes in the global in the global stage, which are huge and also the political stakes, and that the notion that Biden does not believe what you did not get. It was weak, but he also is that there was a perception and certainly one person

by his political opponents to cast is weak- and I think in this moment the stakes a perception of resolution pulling together the allies in this way, taking a different path. They have risen to that now they may or may not succeed. We do know what's gonna happen right, but I do think you can see how prudent could have misread the situation and how, in a kind of project but where the buyer demonstration of the sea a way in which they could misreading it. Actually, you to their advantage in the way they could have so far and ended away. Willie Afghanistan worked against poor work against Russia. In this respect, the people that we're doing entail for Russia had followed Joe Biden closely enough they would have now he was going to withdraw from Afghanistan You can go back and see statements sorting, two thousand I he was out, so to say, waited saying these backing out of Afghanistan because he's weak. The fundamental misreading of it. The polluter A blow back in America actually made

it even less like I did by you, can afford to be seen as weak again so by his actually had do appear more muscular, have a more muscular responds against Russia. Stand shoulder to shoulder again with NATO allies against Russia even more so than effect. understand, had yeah that's interesting to Afghanistan, unique unto itself and, as you say, a campaign promise for radio bind that he was gonna get out of that country. Jeremy bash. As you listen to ukrainian president, you listen ukrainian diplomats, they will privately that they believe Putin is bluffing even presents a linsky saying that the western media in the West has overstated the likelihood and has stepped up the rhetoric rhetoric too far, and yet the west. It continues behind President Biden to threaten sanctions are troops moving into Eastern Europe. So obviously the United It's in the west is taking this very seriously you're stored plugged in what is your sense of where Putin is right now and whether this made

a block whether he may actually go across the border living keys, putting in place all the mechanisms to invade, but I don't think he's take that decision until the alert our and, I think he's gonna assess the tactical situation, but I have to by an administration a lot of credit as we ve been discussing, because you know, there's a military adage at the most decisive phase in war is fake. zero, that's all or in right now or in the face work before the shooting starts its an information warfare campaign, and I think the binding administration has done phenomenal job of declassified information, calling prunes Bluff saying that any predicate that he might concoct to invade is actually just a fabricated, and in that way they have maintained alliance unity. They deterred Putin, that is to close our embassy move. Five thousand troops to Poland prepare sanctions and send a clear signal that if Putin invades The west is gonna, be ready, so I think the Bite administration has handled this

his face, zero, absolutely perfectly Jeremy, bashing Tom Winter stay with us, because we're getting dig into the story that Donald Trump and his allies are claiming is much bigger than water vigour. The Watergate lots of work with we'll talk about by the wax their society. That is wrong cover It's going to be it's gonna, be an interesting weeks ahead. I hope you can watch Fox news at last night, because now then I will I was actually I spent yesterday this, though just by sent yesterday reading through this stuff reading, Who dirhams indictment seriously? I don't know for hours who wrote that, because it was gobbledygook there, weren't dates sent these so that gun ways they did this happen during the The administration burden during the trip administration on the spying on the president's office, and then you have editorial is saying Hilary be like

harm high noon they will. Of course we don't. They didn't charger with anything or suggested cheated anything wrong, or don't really know when this happened. I think I went to second, it's really is the biggest HU, I store cluster. Now we waiting and it's gonna be very interesting to see how What Durham does MAX, because its it well Alex Alex's next walk next, we're I've been Alex work. Much to say about is it is undue. It is really the coverage of this. The word you're looking for those buster club Could you see, they am also going to attack tailoring Clinton nonstop for her handling of government records, but it's been all quite

when it comes to Donald Trump I saw Marco yesterday, I dont know if it's true because they lie about him. So by mark away you're lying way does this is actually you ve got? Actually? documents being taken out of moral logger. Marco, your stay little more he's down like those reporting, smaller rising doubtfully men set Marilla. I will show you. Those new comments will be right: back He was

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past the hour now to delay latest court filing from John Durham. These special council appointed under the Trump Administration to investigate the origins of the FBI probe into russian interference in the twenty. Sixteen election prosecutors accuse a tech executive first identified by the New York Times as Rodney using as access to White House computers to quote gather derogatory information about Donald Trump, the Tec Zack? It company was containing servers in the executive office of the president at the time. The filing does not allege that the content of any communication was compromise or read, but then information was compiled bout. uterus and servers the White House was communicating with pride Ticketor say the Tec executive gave some of the data color did to a lawyer

visor the Clinton campaign. That lawyer then gave the data to an unnamed federal agencies, claiming it quote, demonstrated that Trump and were his associates were using support Sadly rare russian made wireless phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations that attorney Michael assessment. He was indicted. Last year for making false statements to the FBI about relationship with the Clinton campaign. US attorneys said the indictment was based on politics, not facts. This latest filing about the Tec executive. Exploiting access to the White House server is part of the case against saucepan. A spokesman for the Tec expert, released a statement saying that claims in part put Mr B is a an April

internet security expert with decades of service to the- U S government has now been charged, the Durban to is on going on Free, Download time, I've got it you just let wants you to set this up. What was your weekly then we'll get in the details? First of all, this, this Jaffee guy, who, who is as a key player in this field and has been for a long time, this tech executive- that's mentioned right, charged with anything, has not been charged with. That has not been charged. Anything ok and we knew your post. You read Edit Orioles breathless. The breathless coverage yesterday that appeared in the Wall Street Journal I've seen a lot of a lot of charges flying around his Durham, suggested, has he charged Hillary Clinton or they can, campaign, with quote

spying. Quite the opposite. So one of the things the commitments contained in that court filing bid me, commissioner Reding, from there is no mention at all that sustain when he presented information to a second. U S agency! In February of twenty seventeen who, in which we know to be the CIA, did when he presented that information he was not being paid by the Clinton campaign anymore. There was no. According to his lawyers and filing that was made last night, there was no clear, merely data right ear, say you look at the New York Post, which of course is everybody knows it's. My favorite publication on the face of the earth far referred for stuff that this will that we read every day from it for fun, but these quote paid for said something else, people are desperately trying to connect Hillary Clinton. with this lawyer, giving him money sent go spy on Donald Trump Van never happened. He was being paid like you said in two thousand seventeen when he went there and in fact, if you look

been witness. You will get other people that have dug into this. Even the single charge, I'm sorry I should ask you how many charge that there's one charge these matters? I do you have any idea what, if you really get obeys objective- and this is what restraining me so much, because I've been reading into this for two days position has to be something here. Even single charge of supposedly line of FBI is so weak, the Israelis. I first Osman really attack that last night incentive. In fact, it was until two months after assessment was charge, that they say that special council Dirhams team actually went and spoke to to full time. Members of the Clinton campaign to figure out if some of the things that they were alleged were even true. So, let's have a review, is charged at two months: salary able charges and they go get the facts and the challenges it ain't, gonna again a scratch. paper were somebody. So we said he, it was

working for any body was the twenty seven page indictment covering one specific count. I think, when you look at the totality of this you don't time will tell whether or not payments were made and what those payments were. Four in whether or not it had to do with research and the alpha bank, which was something that most news organisations didn't even touch. You'll, never find a story with my name on it: P Williams names on it, kinda leanings, names on I'll, throw the whole kitchen sing of reporters in here on the alpha bank allegation that- and you know why you know it, because it is so confounding and so hard to follow, which is which this kind of interesting China highlighting the vis this pleading witches indecipherable unless you have an agenda and you you what what to shoot? First, questions later what to do what they did legally. This is

confusing as the initial story, I remember when the initial story came out. I read through an as I was when everybody did. That's why nobody paid attention to it, the first time, because it was so convoluted talking about DNS yes, outdoors polyps deposit for asylum and Tom I'll I'll. Ask you. I know the answer question already, but one of the things, this is that the This is, will or either incredibly stupid. Or four misconstruing of what all this is about. How can I just say, will fully stupid a lot about building, will only stew, waste or just or is woefully misconstrued easier, Fox NEWS, bucks photographer Karlsson, other people say you know they're looking at, they must be looked at very receptive internet traffic. They must be looking at an email or text messages, not putting it s now these now that this that's a lie thousand, it can be that stupid. I ask you who can be that stupid actually say that on their television? Don't worry what may make a list of the most fuck, or else you know

that they're lying so much of their audience visit their lives and their deliberately lying about. Yes, lying largely line, and I would say this is most of what right wing media is doing in this way want to focus on it. The DNS data look or not substantive communications, by correct about that. These are not things in which people's we're, communicating and reading people's Emil's that are able to each of the extended aping was going on. Has nothing to do with what we think of US communications, people of this analogy that this is the next Watergate Watergate. Involve people breaking in Watergate, involve people trying to go through filing cabinets. When you look at the analogy here, if you gonna call it Watergate, it's that the security guard at the Watergate, while being paid to do security to see just who was coming in to observe who is coming in the debts

person was then also paid to send that information to somebody else. It doesn't mean that they were asking them. What they were, therefore doesn't mean they were going through. Their brief cases doesn't mean it was going through the files that they were bringing. So that is the correct analogy. If you're gonna use the Watergate analogy that has now been thrown around so open about it, but we are not talking if you're doing DNS look up, it is not possible to dig in the heart of those communications, nobody in this particular instance. According to dirhams own words, it is not possible for somebody to bid is arguing that communication. These are non private copying. This data traffic that proposal travels on the internet. That's that's non private that there

Spain is ever there's a giant industry. Does DNA did about DNS data, my few years enormous? That does it all the time has nothing to do with Hackney. The people's computers and steal intercommunication might as well do without that hacking. Here there should be people going to jail risk, somebody actually intruded into the White House and what the Russians dizzy Hillary Clinton for inside- and I want to be clear- we're going back and forth in what you're talking about if what they TED had been illegal, We would have had a charge for theirs. But in charge against jotting there's not. The charge against him reclaims campaign. There's not been a charge against anybody. Accept this lawyer assessment on such an extraordinarily weak charge. That again most legal observers down the middle or saying there's no way there get ever going to convict among this, it's going be different

because when you talk about lies to the FBI, you have to have to prove that their material lies at the did. There was an intent there and I think that's going to be something that you have time. All time will bear whether or not that comes to permit his ear Trump and his allies said the filing this proof that trunk was under surveillance. While he was in office, rigidly claimed Obama did that live I held out for managing to, for example, this headline from Fox NEWS claims Clinton campaign paid to closer point, infiltrate Trump Tower: Whitehouse servers citing John Durham, but the word infiltrate disappear, anywhere, and that does not appear anywhere in the dirt violent and watch. This exchange on Fox NEWS during an our view, which harms former director of national intelligence. John Ratcliff, help me understand this word: infiltrate has been used, I'm assuming that, as that another word for hacking computer, when you too,

infiltrated server, define that no, I think, based on the allegations attack executive in tech company used was originally lawful access to go. servers are, but two too information and to use it for an unlawful purpose and again the special Council Durham makes no charge of illegal wiretapping. Here first eyes, you mentioned the word: infiltrate does not appear in the Durham court. Filing Rackliff admits the tech executive had lawful access to the data and, lastly, Radcliffe claims. The data was used for unlawful purposes by the FBI was being alerted to possible contacts between Trump and Russia the time would Donald Trump was saying this. Russian If you listening, I hope you're well defined the third thousand emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by press July,

two thousand sixteen there. So Tom Winter limited one step further backwards and that attacks what's going on investigation, the special council investigate and gender may of twenty nineteen. It began millions of dollars of taxpayers money. Why is this taking much longer than the Mahler investigation itself? It's the ultimate question and it is taking longer than the mother investigation and we used to receive regular reports from the special council office when it was headed by Robert Mahler. As far as expenditures, we even had office space information Computer information, how much they were spending on that. We haven't seen that level of transparency and clarity here in this investigation. So it's a little bit difficult to figure out, what's next its clear that they're going after this idea of whether or not the investigation, Donald Trump in whether or not he had any sort of communications are contacts. Are coordination with Russia did there looking into whether that investigation was properly predicated in the future

place before you kind of open investigation, you need to have some underlying facts there, that's something that they looking into, but none of this is happening real time. It's not me the boss, a marathon bombing, where their incidents that are evolving real time that you're trying to catch up on trying to get ahead of from an investigative standpoint. This is a historical at this point. Conceivably, you have all the information you need. You might need to do additional interviews up to your point and spend poaching three years by Jeremy Bash began. The investigation into the investigators is taking a long. then the investigation and if they were moving around club, that would be one thing, but then we're we're going months without really hearing much of anything, and when we get something it's it's jumbled this jumbled pleading. from Durham, so

The question is: how much longer does merit garland allow this go on without demanding some sort of transparency to? Let us know what's going like again, even even this pleading, you know, they should come out and explain the pleading because you get People saying well wait! A second did this happen during the current during the bomb administration to this happened during the trumpet Ministration its liking Actually, just through words out there to allow people to draw the worst conclusions problem when he could can very easily clarify this this afternoon,. hey I'm with you, Joe, on the face, the pleading. I write it too no sense. Hillary Clinton campaign- over when Donald Trump was Haug is rated presents. Could she have had our campaign? spying on him all his present No sense, not to mention the fact that DNS Data is public, that looking into that, opposition research by fighting

public Data mining is not in any way anything other than opposition research and by the way What was the predicate for the investigations? Donald Trump we had to do with the fact that Trump? Why was a presidential candidate? as people in Moscow begging Putin to build Trump tower. Moscow David had do with the fact that a trump Tromp tower media occur with the russian delegation asking for dirt dirty hurricane David have Ado with affected of their Pasqua, russian oligarch had employed fourth and engage him to do illegal lobby. There were so many products for invest. Negation of for, of course, what did from two here only benefited from Russia, interference in the election. He actually reward it re rewarded in and by the way, TAT One or, if you, if you ever, really want to go back to see how dangerous this called russian hoax was, you know, to listen to a primetime hosts. You don't have to read the New York Times editorial page. Just read the republican Senate

Intel Committee Report point where, when Markka Rubia was running, that committee talking about the danger to America's national Security that Donald Trump Contacts is campaigns. Contacts with with suppose well and they actually advanced the mowers report, my standing at that they ve brought new information to bear. You mentioned something interesting before about marriage garland. One of the things that happen towards the end of the trunk presidency when Bill BAR was attorney general, is that he may John Durham instead of a prosecutor that he has signed to look into this, he made him a special council. That means that merit garland can, if she's upset today. If he's angry about this, it does it matter because John Durham is there he's special council, it's not really not a position, and I know so people can say time their various ways that that he could be removed, but for all intents purposes. He's a special council he's. There

and he does not necessarily have to report or do anything for America Arlene and he doesn't necessarily have any control over us. So everybody stand by this is complicated. It's important to get it right. We have turned list, has been following this also a cyber and homeland security experts. At the same time, some will talk to her. What we come back stay with us for in Jeff these days. The news never stops the morning

headlines change by afternoon and by the end of the day, it's all totally different. So, let's get into it, what's happening right now what it means for you for an hour every day I get it. I know if you can be hard to keep up so let's get started together and go from their pay and Halley Jackson, and we have a time gone onto here's the deal, how we judge the whigs at five p m Easter, resumed, Tom Yarmouth and for me the news is so much more than a headline it informs spires and it still matters decoupling. You have to begin and that's what my new show is gonna, do we'll take you to the front lines of the store ports actually happening with NBC News journalist on the ground from all over the world. We cover what you need to know and bring war newspeak to lie in private in streaming live it's your use, playlist joined for top store, weak seven eastern on NBC News now

forty eight pass, the our life look at the White House Ass, the sun comes up over Washington. Let's bring in independent journalist, more seem Wheeler she's. There former senior fella George Washington University Centre for Cyber homeland security, and perhaps she can Shed some light on this report, as it were so called. And all too so. Miss Wheeler wait, wait whence so fascinating about your work. Is you were dreamily sceptical of the original story, where came out in two thousand sixteen and you are telling everybody at the time. This is bogus. This is nonsense. thing to see here. So you ve already hit that side. But now you tell us Tell us about this germ filing, because you ve been quite critical and Durham is well well to the filing from assessment overnight and

the things he revealed in that which I have heard from other people. Is this claim that rob me Jaffee was accessing data from the White House. All the time free seeds, trunks inauguration, so you from bout they're, calling for these people to be put to death Really, what happened is rotten job? He was trying to keep rock Obama safe from hackers. That's all it is, and that's why Trump wants these people killed. During those that, during knows that this date precedes Trump. You didn't include it in the fire. so he's got everyone all work. Fox NEWS, John But if you showed him earlier, cash for tat was the source of many of these false claims. They were both witnesses, De John, Durham and capital has known about this allegation going back to two December, two thousand, something because he's the one first asked Michael Assessment about it. Michael,

Spain was honest about it back in December, twenty seventeen and cash to tell when he was a how homeland the intelligence Committee stabber when he was working in the White House when he he was the chief of staff for duty. He did nothing about this because he knew that all that brought me he was doing was trying to keep the White House safe from hackers. That's what this is about. Drama ones Mary like. Where do you think we'll do the exterior? Since you can have this? What what aid motivations are of of of these players apply up Durham for it, for instance, and workers is going from here and in the aftermath of this pseudo scandal that we're saying The investigation is in real trouble. One the things that in some mentioned this briefly, but one of the things that such revealed overnight is that during didn't,

interview like one of the allegations me indictment, is that software was was coordinating with the Hilary campaign on on on these other bank allegations. in October session was like name the people in October. Dirty said, I don't have any people in November he first interviewed Hilary staffer. He actually investigated this. We also learned recently that Durham and Bill BAR flew to ITALY to get the sounds from Miss we should remember, is that Italian, who was talking to George Papadopoulos. He never walked across the O. J T get the phone James Baker. Who is the single witness to this conversation with Michael Assessment, he didn't find out that deal Georgi had true of those funds until January, and and after he revealed that he had these phones that he should have looked for years ago. He then

add to disclose that he had been told about one of these phones back and twenty eighteen, but he didn't remember it anymore, so what you ve got and those the only things that term has had to admit that he didn't do before charging Michael suffrage. He didn't investigate how the F B, I killed a story that the New York Times was gonna, come out with before the election on, partly because of what's Osman Dead, which counters all of the motivation to Durham says he's he's working on during dinner, investigate that until after he had charged must neither so I'm some men on Friday probably is goin to submit emotions dismiss this entire indictment. probably what last Friday's stunt was about? Four Durham: wasn't it to pre empt that an attempt to pretend that this investigation is kind of post a discovery of things, He didn't investigate why FBI's relationship as the brownie Jaffee before he charged microcephaly. He only he only pulled

communications. When specimens at. Why don't you go find out what kind of relationship the F b I really has with job which an he discovered there were thousands of communications, so I'm so during very close to position where such modest have the opportunity to say you didn't do an investigation before he charged me and a week before He probably is going to have to do that this. Comes out, and can you have all these people who were witnesses who said these conspiracy theories to Jerome on the front end then go on Fox NEWS and makes false claims about it and that's what the story is about. It's it's cash, Patel garbage in cash, a job and then from three the key people as a result that, while that just sunset out Marcy Wheeler, thank you very much junk you more data revision right is feasting on. I think that's what I think is fascinating vote again.

Michael Steel. Let's, let's just follow up on what she said you have. You have Trappist and Donald Trump, calling for the execution of deeply saddened, resigned. People would be executed for this you- have- will be going on last night, saying that White House was spite upon when, in fact, in a few years, if you look at the pleadings, this all happened during Obama, administration- and they were packing the traffic because cause there Republicans and Democrats we were deeply disturbed by what what Donald Trump was saying during the presidential campaign. They were leading up to an election and they were very concerned

yeah the thing that struck me and sort of listening to the last two segments. It is. It just reminds me of just how many times we get caught in the dark drop stupid trap and how many times. You know why this process unfold, Joe, in which, we'll drop in his are out there massaging and trying to maneuver the messaging around, because We ve already indicated in this market is very clearly laid out the fact don't line up. It's not there you're happy post hot discovery of of something that actually on face, makes no sense. It has made any sense since two thousand sixteen lotta Hector, we he's gonna, make sense. Now you DORA. I'm out here who is in the position and put it on the street, when he was initially put into this role. What was the purpose of it? It was to God

create a set of facts to meet a narrative, the Donald Trump wanted executed and so as the system grinds to a halt yet again because of the crazy world of tromp colliding with real life. We're sitting here, look he had been reading pleadings, in which anyone who has, until a brain power left in their head recognises this no sense this, grist to the mill for Fox NEWS to go out and end further gum up the works to create a whole lot of noise about nothing, at the end of the day like Benghazi. After all, the noise and all the Sabre rattling comes to what right So the reality of it is weakened, persist in this in this game, or we call it crazy. Let the judicial system, the justice system play it.

Father were soon put a step or two ago, nothing here, let's move on, and I think what what's what they're trying to pre empt is. That is that in Joe they don't want that in because they know what happen after that. Nothing yet! Well, you know been Gaza, of Course Willie. Politicized the death of for Americans, and and we ve been gauzy. There was the death for Americans here, you are going to have an investigation that let into thus the that last longer than investigation be shocked shock if there is one criminal, Vixin in this entire thing, but there lotta headlines- and there are a lot of people making assumptions that are going to look really foolish months from now, but they don't care because this gas lighting and they'll just continue its effort to change the subject from the investigation to January six? That's another element of this story, so Tom Winter of the last thirty minutes, or so we heard a lot

I have met some new characters, new names, probably for our audience, who talked about the arcane details of DNS Look ups, but just try to crystallise it a little bit for the audience here. Who has hurt a lot? What is

important take away from this. Finally, in what happens from here, the important take away from this filing is that there were people. There were monitoring traffic in and out of the White House, but not able to see their actual communications, not able to look inside what it was its very standard information. It is available publicly on their number groups that do this in that that information was passed along by an attorney according to both the attorney and special council. John Durham, one point to the CIA, but that hasn't been charge nobody's been charged with hacking nobody's been charged with some sort of cyber intrusion into the White House is far as where this goes next. You ve already seen an effort by the attorney, but attorneys for the attorney has been charge here, Michael Assessment for him to dismiss all the factual details that are included in this filing that we're talking about here, and I think we're gonna have to watch going forward. If,

any sort of additional information that comes into this case by way of filings not included in an indictment? Why might that the case. That is something that we that we typically report on civil have to follow that and I think lastly, we're just have to see what this investigation wraps up, as you said, it is lasted longer than special council moment escapes Tom Winter and Jeremy Bash. Thank you both for being on this morning and coming up we're taking a look at the new bipartisan effort to fight crime in this state of Georgia, plus two stories I'm out of the super bald after the game. One for the rams had more than just a championship ring on his mind after the game, another was running for the exits. While the confederate was still falling on. The field will explain next morning, Joe we're back in two minutes

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