Jan. 6 Panel Examining Trump’s Role in Proposals to Seize Voting Machines: NYT
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evidence code Series: Caddy K, nature. I think we ve talked enough about ground hogs. What's in the new all right, let's get to our headlines. This morning yesterday we told you of the new reporting on how personally involved Donald Trump was in trying to use set.
The agencies to seize voting machines in case wings.
it's in the weeks after losing the twenty twenty election. This morning, the near times reports the January six committee is now investigating trumps role in trying to seize voting machines. That's, according to three
but with knowledge of the committee's activities. The time says it's unclear. What
that is the law makers are examining, but likely in the mix.
Is the draft executive order that circle
waited among the former presidents attorneys that would have authorized the Pentagon
to see voting machines in Queen key swing states, but tromp has his own idea for the investigation. He says Congress
should investigate like pants.
New statement released yesterday, the former president said congressional investigators should look into quote why my pants didn,
send back the votes for resource suffocation or approval. The statement appears to be an attempt to clean up or add new wants to his statement from Sunday night that pence quote
We have over turned the election Senate minority later Mitch. Mcconnell responded yesterday to trumps comments from his weekend, rally in taxes that he might part
January six rioters if he is re elected,
take a lesson to that
it's all here on January, the six was an effort to prevent the peaceful
transfer of power from one administration to another. One hundred and sixty five have pleaded guilty to criminal behaviour. My view
I would not be in favour of shortening
any of the sentences or any other people
pleaded guilty to crimes,
there. We have again Willie. We have
Mcconnell
making straight out
on January the sex. It's one thing again that time and again mixes
unambiguous about, and that is that the people than that
committing crimes in January. The six should be punished. That January six was an atrocity and one
we're Donald Trump is saying about January. Six is not true and again he was
to empower the January Sixth commission, which of course
He was against a bipartisan and by camera. Commission, which, I think was a mistake. Mansion thinks it was a mistake. Alot of people do but
Certainly I got mine this when he wants wants
thank you was
the dirty truth, told about Donald Trump, because
I think he wants Trump out of the party as much as well a lot of people as much as list Cheney or are are,
Others
its unclear? It will accomplish that goal, but the truth will be told in its being accumulated and assembled right now by the January six Select Committee, thanks to this wealth of evidence they have about president drop, including him on tape, asking a city
Secretary of State in Georgia to find the votes to flip that elected him at Eddie. It is it says so much about where we are that it is considered extraordinary that Mitchell
What can I say? No, you shouldn't pardon criminals or
in January six seems like an obvious truth, but
There has to be said out loud. I now gives us a sense of the state of things I mean one of the things has been revealed over and over again as the scale of what was possible that we were on the precipice
what Donald Trump was trying to do, something we could use the language that he was trying to nuances statement. I mean nuance and Donald Trump, like oil, little water. We know exactly what he was trying to do and that is being coming in ever more clear to us. So it makes sense that
Mitch. Mcconnell in Lindsey, Graham, would actually say the obvious. It's just a little too late. It seems
from meanwhile wasn't happy with Republican Centre, Lindsey Gram, who criticized tromp before those comments about possible, pardons here's, a reminder of what Senator Graham said on Sunday, followed by trumps new comments in an interview with news MAX
I think, is inappropriate and I dont want to reinforce that. The following the capital was ok. I want to do anything that would make this more likely in the future our wanted to deter people who did what the January the six and those who did it. I hope they go to jail and get the book thrown Adam costs. They deserve it
grams wrong.
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Lindsays wrong for these people are being treated horribly. I would absent
We, some of them are being treated very unfairly up. I would apps
possibly give them
pardon some of these people are not guilty. Many of these people are not guilty. What David?
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and, in many cases, patriots
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they ve done to them compared to
they ve done to the other side. You know you have.
Equal justice, and this is an equal partner. So I would absolutely be prepared at Lindsey Graham, doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
if he says that, because you have to
equal justice. It's very, very unfair. What's happened
this group of people
talking about about wiles equivalency. Yet there were soldiers and- and
cops their soldiers and cops there who had planned.
They commit sedition against the United States of America.
I'm gonna go to jail for a very long time, because you don't try to overturn the United States government are,
the way of peaceful transition. It isn't sing now,
which were connell- I must say this again-
Mcconnell since January. The six has been very consistent. Very
listen
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starting to speak out like midst.
Against what happened on January, the sixth Lindsey Gram who's on the Trump train off the Trump train on the Trump train now is off the drug trade
et in. Let's take the most extreme example: Josh Holly
just Ali a guy, you really
In large part responsible for this insurrection, along with Donald Trump said,
If somebody committed a crime on January, the six at the capitol
I should face the consequences I just
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get there by accident.
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should face consequences. I suddenly,
there are no longer just tourists- sudden
in January the six. Why wasn't just another day in the point I'm getting too is
I think they're starting in see it in polls that Americans
the more they find out about the planning
the comments addition against
mad, asserting democracy, the anger
even the republican base is getting
return of January six to the headlines here after the one you're anniversary and now the committee this. That committee has taken a more public approach to what their work is. S had a bit of an impact here, and certainly the former presidents words more than any other we're we're seeing this as an issue where some Republicans were willing to break with him, and certainly it wouldn't find tool or politics, more loyal without Trump and Josh Holly. Of course, he was the first senator to announced that he would objective two certifying that win for Joe Biden. We all remember the footage of him walking into the cap that day with his fist raised to the crowd, but even he is saying the idea pardons for these rioters areas is a bridge too far that he wouldn't go for that, and we end this several times several times a said. This saying that he wouldn't do that as well. Mcconnell, interesting you're right. Let's put it asked her. So what you said Mccall did still say, though, that truck or their publican nominated twenty four. He would support him. But beyond that he has created a lot of daylight between himself and the four present. He clearly doesn't want trunk to be. The nominee in
on twenty four and thinks the party would be better off in another direction will need to see- and this will only be a question of time, weeks months ahead, whether Republicans are willing to separate themselves for Trump on any other issue or whether it is simply the most extreme aspects of Janeway six. Is this the one thing that they feel like they can't go along, or did I did?
It supports continue this way too. They start to break themselves. Further still
head on morning, Joe the stand off between Moscow and the West shows no signs of easing. What russian President Vladimir Putin is now saying about. The escalating tensions over Ukraine will toxic caddy about that plus the NFL is facing a new bombshell, lawsuit
using the League of Racist hiring practices, we'll talk
out the significance of this new legal fight and the private text,
messages from Bilbil check at the center,
the law. Suit. Also
had a stunning new look at the toll, the Corona VI,
this pandemic in United States Cove, it is killing Americans at a far higher rate than people in other.
Healthy nations, we're going to break down
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never stop saying this. The fact that you
the habit.
In our view, minority cultures is a problem. That's the problem that
That's the seed and the foundation of it because
to save face is to create this whole utopia that everybody is equal when they fail in everybody's, given equal opportunity. So no
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Needless to say, leave office. We need the stores and owners, but enough fail owners order was that determine who would be the aid culture, sport at football teams and they have no incentive to our black coaches.
that is former Anna fell. Defensive ended espionage, football commentator now, market spears, insisting league owners are responsible for the alleged discriminatory practices in football. That's in reference to the lawsuit file yesterday by former Miami Dolphins, coach, Brian Flores, alleging racial discrimination against the NFL in three of its teams, the dolphins, the giants and the Broncos. Here
the eight page suit Father Manhattan Federal court yesterday seeks class action status and comes after the forty year old was fired by Miami last month in the suit Floris alleges he was treated with disdain and cast as the angry black man by the dolphins after he refused to accept a one hundred thousand dollars game offer from his team
in his first season, two tank, so it could secure a top draft.
an explosive allegation an after he would not banned against pressure to recruit a prominent quarterback in violation of the least tampering rules.
this led my me to a twenty four twenty five record over three seasons: the team recently finnish, nine and ate, and its second straight winning season, but failed to make the playoffs during his tenure dolphins, released to state in denying any obligation of racial discrimination floor as also alleged the giants interviewed him last month for their head coaching vacancy for no other reason than compliance with the NFL Rooney rule, which require
teams to interview minority candidates. This came to light according to the law suit. In part due to tax from New England Head coach, build Belgic in which he mistakenly congratulated Floris forget
the giants, job
responded in a statement. Writing in part. The fact of the matter is brine. Flores was in the conversation to be our head coach until the eleventh hour. Ultimately, we hire the individual. We felt was most qualified to be our next head coach. The lawsuit also ledges Flores, was forced to undergo a sham interview with the Broncos and twenty nineteen which the team has dismissed, is blatantly false. In a statement the least said it will defend against these claims, which are without merits so Eddie. Let's get the foot
stuff out the way Brian Floris three years ago, in here,
the worst team in the NFL, their guard,
roster terrible team- could have gone in sixteen eighty one five games last year,
please until winning record this year. They, when aid of nine games on the doorstep of the play off, they don't quite gate in by any measure. He has shown progress in his job in Miami and we should point out there now these one black hair,
ocean. The Anna found that's my Tomlin, who was an institution in the legend in Pittsburgh, but that's it that's it.
In twenty twenty two one black head coach
with so much
percent of the league black players flexible
be clear he I remember the days when we were excited about duck: Doug Williams, taking the Washington, then the Washington Redskins to the civil. I remember the days when Jimmy the Greek on Monday
Football leave that racist come. I remember the days when they are worse top, wouldn't Doug Williams became the butler hit the that the quarterback of the Watson risk, and what does this mean? Is historic? Bacon lead all the underlying assumptions about the mental state of blood
players and black athletes, and it still operative in the league today, and so this to me is a historic moment: it's courageous on the part of coach lorries to step out and call to the for what is has
obvious, hardly
Indeed, I feel right behind
she'll is ugliness and we need and he's making it clear to me for making
clear- seems to me.
yeah yeah and Jonathan Mayor. I'm so glad that Eddie brought up Doug Williams, because I remember like a lot of people being really excited when Doug Williams finally won the Superbowl.
When a black quarterback finally won the Superbowl. He was the euro
the first really to be given the chance, and it was,
a big thing even in what was that I think January, the eighty nine, maybe in eighty eight but yeah.
eighty eight seas and, yes January, very niner. Thank you now idea here, right, general mediate, but anyway,
that seems to be such a big deal within five ten years can really
wasn't a big deal suddenly
poor realized, dragged away to weaken, recruit black quarterbacks and they can leader teams, and we don't think much,
it now, but coaching
Wendy? Twenty two: the fact that there is one black coach in the inner fail is so our rageous one head coach and I just really brought up a good point
The floor is one eight out of nine games: dolphins, one eight nine games, but the most.
part of that is he wanted a
out of the last nine games he coached you know about.
With a month left the season
Scarborough do I bring up
of life that we watch football together, because man that
All things are really come on strong and
We need to go down and see some dolphin games. This isn't team on fire. He wins
mine. He beats the
drift in the season finale.
Fire him, I'm sorry,
Can I say it? No white coach
one eight out of nine of his last games and being valid check,
finally game of the season
code would have been fired in that situation, not one and to underscore just how noteworthy those accounts because work that file gave it a season. At that point, the dolphins, they had won a bunch of aims role, but they had been eliminated, but the patriots needed that game. They still had a chance to win the division and dolphins
anyway, wars is was a star on Bela checks. Staff, as a defensive coordinator was seen, is rising star in the head. Coaching ranks as well, and when this is all seas and started, the dolphins surprisingly fired in now we're learning more about the circumstances there, but there is a belief that he was gonna, be a hot, proper. The Higgins snap right up by some other by some
our team. Personally, I was hoping you'd returned. The patriots is defensive coordinator, eventual become Bela checks,
apparent ease that good. So it is, it is striking here that he hasn't gotten a job and his allegations are damning and the idea of the inner fell having contrasted the NBA. Another Lee, where majority of players or african American that has quite good much much better representation in terms of black, had coaches, the NFL down to one, and this in part, comes to light because of the aforementioned Bilbil check, sending a text message: series of texts to Florence, congratulating him for
getting the giants job it turned out. He got Para
got his name's mix up into stones? Address book meant to send it to the Buffalo bill system coach? Who would eventually get the giants job for us,
even had an interview with the giants yet at that post at that time, meaning the job had already been awarded so to someone else and Flora says his interview, a sham
the heart of this case.
Boy, I tell you what will be the part of this, really that the race parties is.
Obviously the centre of this laws, but I will tell you why,
cause real problems, for the dolphins is
if evidence does come out that their owner
was telling the coach throw the games
pay you a hundred thousand dollars for every game, the youth row,
every game that we lose. That's enough to get an owner stripped of its football team of fats proven you can't
I mean that so much worse than anything, PETE rose every day for the order
is paying a head coach
throw football games. That
can continue
the team and they fell. The outlets become the sum headline in the story, because the headline is so important by God. If that's true and I'm sure the NFL right now this morning is looking into the allegation of whether an owner off
hundred grams per game to throw games to lose games? Gator hired traffic that would be terrible. I also point out David colleague also black coach was given one season with the Houston Texas. He was fired after this year. They had a rough seas and but he only
one year didn't get a chance to turn it around in Houston, let's Brian, Charles Common and Danny Civil US into our conversation. They both are MSNBC Legal, analyse Charles Good morning to you. You ve got a chance to look through this lawsuit. What jumps out at you
when we first of all, I think it is both equal parts. Ironic imposed by the deadline for us has engaged is very explosive lawsuit at the time that he has to kick off like history. Most of all places make no mistake about it. This is a civil rights question. What life or as is saying, is that, because of his race, he was denied upward, eke and equal opportunity to actually compete for this job and is also alleging that other, similarly situated people, meaning other black qualified coaches, have been denied the same opportunities which respect to being able to achieve closer positions and innovation. I think Joe we hit the nail on the head in terms of with actual confer lies beyond the civil rights implications that this has for Flores from competitive, fairly standpoint. The ineffective needs to be extremely concerned about where this rotten king can go alternately view are providing a lives. What product for Europe for the public for your audience for your patrons, and you can ensure that this is truly competitive, ensuring fair, a damn. It is your brain beyond repair, so even with respect to the employment claims which at the boys makes out very very strongly in the initial pleadings there's a significant amount of reputational damage that independence to be peace, be prepared about with respect to this lawsuit, so Danny, all three teams named in this lawsuit deny the allegations the Anna fell says. The claims are without merit. What jumped attitudes you look at this in terms of class action. Who else can be involved here, while one
jumped out at me was one statistic that, if true is very sobering in its that at least two
Thirdly, when the Rooney rule was instituted, the role that requires an interview of at least one black candidate for any open had coaching job there were. I
three black had coaches at that time now today,
There is one so the complain alleges we ve gone backwards and, if that's true, then it seems that we have at least the NFL has gone
or in the rue DE ruled, may not have work the way it was intended to work but
You, as you ask your question, this is a class action, so there is an addition
obstacle. Class actions are such
devastating orphans of weapons for plaintiffs attorneys that a court
to certify it as a class. In other words, Brian floors has now suit, on behalf of everyone. Similarly situated now, yes to show that he is an added
representatives of the class. I met the claims
our common enough that him reference,
the class will be fair to others in that class. Now this is now
to be a class of millions or even thousands. Similarly, situated coaches to brain Flores is probably a much smaller group, but nonetheless, a group that would have said
mythical power. As a group plaintive
and would get into really really significant discovery, far more than it Brian floors and brought this complaint by him.
as an individual by breed as a class, you see from the allegations in the complaint they go way beyond Brian floors. They go to wait. Alec an alleged history of
Crimination in the NFL, and they may be,
get discovery on all of that charges
there are going to mourn and those pan out of just for quick. Second, I want to go back to this point about the hit to the reputational brand of the inner fail.
How do you see the relationship between this class action law suit, and then I felt responds to carbon capture Nick, for example, there is a threat that one to draw from Capron it to two: what floor as this is a legit and this point, so how the hell do you think about those two things together at once in this moment?
what Eddie, I think, that's a great question. I think, when you think about what in about has done in terms of trying to show face in the area of social justice in the area of central community, they had the inspire change platform. They have the agreement that they got into with respect to the owners and the players, but any of those things all of those things they never actually took root with a audience that was offended by the way. The comic happily was shut out by the league, even after cabinet had the settlement with the league. There was still a number of people who saw those efforts by the League as window dressing. It's when you add this to come on the back and that it only of problems that distrust, but the public all ready had rather ineffective sincerity with respect to dealing with issues of race and racism within its ranks, and so this is not a thing where people are looking at these, both as isolated incidents, there's absolutely a connection that people are drawing and it has everything to do with interposed credibility, which is why they need to address it and they need to address equipment
our Charles Coleman and Denisov aloes. Thank you both for coming on this morning and coming up said,
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This latest take on what Democrats should do instead and
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past the hour. The view co host, Whoopi Goldberg has been suspended.
Her comments about the Holocaust, Goldberg make the comments on Monday morning, while the panel was discussing a tendency, school board spanning
now say: Pulitzer Prize winning Graphic novel about Nazi death camps,
here. Those comments followed by her apology, the next day. Let's be true,
about it, because the Holocaust
isn't about race. It's not about raise its
about what is this about because you it's about man's inhumanity to man.
something that I feel are responsibility for not leaving unexamined, because my words of said so many people, which was never. My intention, is indeed about raise, because Hitler and the Nazis considered Jews to be an inferior race words matter and mine are no exception. I regret my comments, as I said, and I stand corrected,
in addition to the apology, the programme brought on Anti Defamation League CEO, Jonathan Green Black, to discuss Goldberg remarks who tweeted afterward deeply appreciate
Goldberg. Inviting me on the view today to have an important discussion on the importance of educating about the Holocaust.
There has been a long time, ally of the jewish community and the Adsl and her apology
very much. Welcome that something we need to talk about this.
captains of her apology, which is really important, he asked
though the network,
suspended Wabi Goldberg for two weeks in a statement.
ABC News, President Kim God, when road effective immediately. I am suspending Whoopi Goldberg for two weeks for her wrong and hurtful comments
While Whoopi has apologised. I vast
to take time to reflect and learn about the impact.
Four comments
the entire ABC News Organization stands in solidarity with our jewish colleagues, friends, family and community. How we understand this early? We talk about cancelling culture, all the time,
we'll be hasn't, been cancelled, but she's been she's, been suspended.
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makes an offensive statement will be book Goldberg
apologises for that offensive statement.
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Ally.
of the jewish community, so
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she made.
Herbal mistake. We all make terrible mistakes. She
poligized forward immediately and to correct
actions now I want to know who is so frail over it ABC or who is so frail out there.
I can't understand when somebody makes a mistake. Apologises for the mistaken takes all the corrective actions. It
Teddy can for that mistake, and then there are still suspend infertile wakes well. Joe,
like you, I love I'm a bit baffled. I mean I take it. There might be some pressure behind the scenes from from folks demanding some more concrete consequences for what will be Goldberg set.
but I think is important for us to understand the nature of her confusion.
There is this, since that we want to think about,
racism as an act of discrimination directed towards some one by one
people against other people?
it anti right and it often don't we we lose sight of racism as or
as in some ways a reflection of white supremacy and how Nazi ISM reflected
ideology and put their
the confusion happens and Jim James Baldwin wrote about this in an essay entitled negroes ART anti semitic, their anti? Why, indeed, in some ways right innocence, trying to address how Jewishness can morph into whiteness and it becomes very difficult to distinguish and and is a very, very difficult argument to make and weeping?
We're going to fill into their minds feel right by
the problem is reminiscent end in dumps argument. Jobs are now
but if you're a Jew, it's not really hard to distinguish between being a Jew and being a wise. If you're, a Jew, your people have
treated like garbage for thousands of years and even in the Magna Carta, the magnet
Which we, we wasps all praise and and
festers and praised for you know. Hundreds of years is a great, liberating document yet
sickly, said people in England have all of these rights, except for Jews right the property except for Jews happening Anti Semitism has raised any Europe for four for it
Centuries anti Semitism wages on college campuses and this
country, if you're a Jew on a key.
Is an elite colleges if you're a jewelry cap. As you say you,
treated differently, sometimes and
everywhere you go and by the way, how
the people that are alive
today survive the Holocaust.
Parents that were, in the whole cause have grandparents that survived
I'm sorry, now that we are in a hard to figure out, not use it with a difference between you and a white person, and I don't just suggest that anybody that is trying to draw a difference. But
jewels and wasps bags
back up and say: yeah the Jews.
have actually been persecuted for three thousand years:
why don't we look at them? As a separate?
ace unless its ways- and we have to be careful when we do have to be careful- must be very clear- that White Superman
takes its structure, for
Anti Semitism
Let us be very, very clear: right: whites,
was: he takes its structure from Anti Semitism, which is much older, must be very clear about the part of what remember there is something that will become work said. What is this? Why
a white attacking why people? This is how she said it. There was a line that came out in the discussion, so part of what I'm saying here is: is this that there is a way in which, in the context of
american racial hierarchy off
times in the interaction between certain communities. There's a kind of whiteness attributed to the jewish population. That can be miss red. That's all I'm trying to say I'm trying to account, for it is very difficult to account for it. I'm not doing it very well this morning, but this is part of the argument, and I think she,
this kind of stumbled, as I may be stumbling this morning to
Why? Because it so difficult to do, because you know Caddy Kay
who
There were swore stickers that were
or a spray painted union Station Washington D C. This past weekend, there weren't union Jack's their work.
get out
flags from Scotland or whatever. You know, Ireland, whatever my heritage is England now
there there is. There is an extraordinarily distinct culture and an again
Jews are looked at as an inferior, raise by
anti Semites
by a so so yeah, I again my my my
this point was what we apologise and we should
just go with that. I think my second point is:
people should not go down the trail that will be Goldberg went down because it is a trail that ends up
three thousand years of jewish.
Seclusion yeah
some of the concern about what breeze apology was when she then went on Stephen Colbert and said that the Nazis lied. They had issues with ethnicity city, not with Ray socially kind of seem to double down
the idea that it wasn't race having put out that apology and that may
Why she's been suspended
two weeks. I'm I'm not sure what you write. What what was the image that really struck cue from Charlottesville when they will
walking down with the tricky torches through the town, the white supremacist? It was then
more of swastikas and then the two,
so they shouted about wanting to get rid of Jews in America and its incredibly powerful. But this way,
live in a world where it's very hard to have new all discussions. I think what Eddie was just saying: it is very important in this country because
this country's unique history. Racial issues tend to be automatic.
we defined as black and white, and I think that's what the argument Whoopi was getting into
and was ignoring that there is a very important race.
issue that came out of Europe and centuries of persecution. That was the
as the Nazis defined it, seeing the juices different race and it's not necessarily just about black and white.
We'll nuanced. Discussions are really important to have and some of the best nuanced discussions come out of mistakes like this, where there's so
Learning that could be had so it's too thing
that come to my mind, as I I've been watching this unfold over the past. Forty eight hours first of all
the education that can be had out of this. The conversations it's been good, the forgiveness,
has been important. The learning that has come out of the forgiveness and the learning moments has been.
valuable to the
audience of the view and we'll be Goldberg
No one knows what we wolberg she's, been on tv for decades, she's been putting herself out there for decades,
if you don't know her heart, then you haven't been watching, and so that's.
the two weeks. Suspensions to me seems more about something else and something
That may be. We need to start putting behind us, which is this. This unbelievable need to punish and judge people can, when they ve made a mistake or when they ve learned something out in the open with the public watching it is
for some people to evolve or to make a mistake in front of a national audience. Everyone.
on this show, or at least the aspect from
self it's happened.
very hard. It's horrifying
shilling, it's got wrenching, you hate. When
you said something: that's hurt, people, it is the worst thing that can happen in a career and so
I really feel like, especially at the view where their show is based on arguments there. It's based on debates. It's an
the based on making based
the moments and their pay
to do that
hope.
There is some learning for everybody on the show who grow you grace Grange terms of erase into
forgiveness in terms of more.
Space of kindness. I don't know that may not make us many ratings, but you know this is
This is something that is just gonna
start getting.
Nicholas, I mean it won't be Goldberg
cancelled. That would be
that would be the I mean that would be the end of this. All this cancel Melcher
getting so out of hand there
many positives journal. That could happen.
This mistake, and instead I feel like
tat it in the wrong direction, as you said,
We all know it wasn't mistake. We now get me where were you when you're alive television, you say stupid thing: everybody says stupid things. There ve been sometimes where you now I've said some really stupid things and Willie. His walked out on the tree branch and put his arm come on back big fella Yang ammo. May wonder why don't why don't we go back and the tree and I take it, take it. I'm gonna climate that too, and I just sit there and you can see that Europe is facing the middle of something that you wish to see. What were they in the middle of it? You can see it almost immediately like cut again sort of like you can see Meeker when I started to say things she has
look on her face, actually scared for me than Willie.
Takes, we home safely gets Gimme the car keys son and
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