Day five of the russian invasion of Ukraine, and we are following several fast moving developments. Both sides are meeting in Belarus right now to negotiate a possible ceasefire here remains under ukrainian control, but the capital is in Russia's crosshairs. Vladimir Putin puts its nuclear forces on high alert and Russia's currency. The rouble plummeted again, the dollar early this morning good morning and welcome to morning Joe it Monday February, twenty Eightth, let's dive right in as Annesley fighting rages on for the fifth day. Ukrainian resistance has slowed down the russian advance, but it is still pushing forward into the country. According to a you, U S, senior defence official last night, russian forces claim to have captured a ukrainian port city of one thousand people, but Kiev is still under

Ukraine's control, although satellite images showed russian troops advancing toward the cat this. As crazy and officials say after intense fighting. They took back control of car cave the country's second largest city according to the Ukrainian Health Minister, more three hundred and fifty people have died since the russian invasion began in voting. Sixteen children, meanwhile neighbouring Belarus. Russia's ally, may be prepared to join in with the war with ukrainian intelligence, suggesting Belarus is showing readiness to maybe participate directly. according to a sane and report now, last week the belarussian presidents had his country could join the invasion quote if it becomes necessary. Delegations from both sides are meeting in Belarus along the ukrainian border. It comes after Ukraine. President's Lansky agreed to talks with the Russians without

conditions, but made clear he expects little to come of it. On top of all of this, russian President Vladimir Putin put his nuclear forces on higher Lord learnt yesterday nuclear forces citing what he called aggressive statements and illegal sanctions from NATO. As the times points out. President Biden could have matched Putin's move by putting the? U S on DEFCON three, but instead chose de escalate joining us now from Kiev, Ukraine and busy news to foreign correspondent. Richard angle, rich, What's the lightest on the ground.

So here in Kiev, the government has relaxed a curfew that was in place all weekend. It was a blanket forfeit, the curfew this we can pull. People were discouraged from leaving their houses now they're lining up in front of stores. They go into the groceries they're going to bakeries if they can find them there stocking up supplies. The key. The curfew will be reimpose this evening around ten o clock and continue until eight in the morning. But this City, as you said, remains under the government's control. There are many military positions in the city and people here are in good spirits. They believe the country thus far is putting up a sip fight that they are able to push back the Russians and they are feeling that the even if anything, there feeling that they are winning, the Russians are continuing to advance along three different lines of attack, one from the north heading towards city, and there is a very long

the heavily armoured military convoy outside of the city? The second Two line of attack pushing toward car keys and briefly russian forces, did manage to penetrate a part of the city. They were also repelled, and then the third line of it. is in in the south, are pushing up from Crimea there have been numerous logistical challenges. This invasion has not gone according to prudence plan apparently, and their reports and videos of russian troops. out of fuel breaking down by the side of the road being taunted by by Ukrainians, so so far the Ukrainians feel that they are entering these peace talks in which they are asking for a ceasefire with it with a very strong hand. Richard. You know better than anybody else said it is, is hard to make clear pronouncements about how wars going in the fog of war. What can you tell us? What can tell us about

the information received from officials from military operators about whether, in fact, the advances are going more slowly than expected, whether they're having trouble with equipment, whether their their meeting fiercer resistance and originally expected the sort of things we are hearing in the news in the United States and around the world. But I am curious. What are you hearing on the ground there more specifically So I'm hearing confirmation of all the things that you just mention that the ukrainian resistance has been stiffer than the Russians expected that the Ukrainians have been able to hold their territory, that the Ukrainians have not been forced to go underground and create some sort of guerrilla resistance, which many thought by day five they would have to do instead ukrainians are still operating openly and they are getting Reese applied from countries around the world, but

who s officials than that that we ve been speaking too not just be about others, NBC cautious in our cautioning, that these are very early days that the Ukrainians might feel confident I now because we are still only on day five, but that Russia has a lot more power that it can send into this fight about a third of all The russian troops that they had position around Ukraine are still in a position to be put in to battle. They haven't yet been sent to the front lines ever been sent into this country. There is that man If convoy outside of Kiev that could be heading, It's way if it if it receives the order to and there there is this psychological factor, but how is Vladimir Putin going to react? U S? Officials are worried that, since he has expired,.

early setbacks, but he could escalate by using heavier munitions that he could fire artillery unguided kinds of weapons against against this city or other cities and increase the level of assault and make it much more punishing assault against this trillion population. So the ukrainians have been putting up resistance, but it is very early days, and they do not think that Russia is going to throw in the towel and still has the numerical and technological advantage Richard. Many Americans, many people that have been emailing texting calling me this weekend again, just in the initial stages, your exactly right could change very quickly

the early stages are shocked by the character of the Ukrainians by the Fierce news of the Ukrainians, by by the contempt that they have let em your Putin in Russia instead of being fearful. What what can it can't you can you give us give us some background about where the comes from this is a country that not so long ago was split between its affinities for Russia and the West. What's happening Well, when we leave here we're on our way to go meet some young Ukrainians who art gallery together their collecting bottles right now and their meeting, so that they can start filling up molotov cocktails. And there are many if you look at social media in this country. They're putting out diagrams of, where you should throw molotov cocktails against different types of russian russian trends,

border armoured vehicles to hit the hatches to go for the guns, so they are rallying buying their army and they are rallying on a popular level. They are preparing for street. Battles and and and and preparing themselves with with with fire bombs to take on the russian military aid comes from the fact that, eight years ago, in the city bill did a similar kind of street demonstration with molotov cocktails and sticks and bricks, and they stood up to russian Back riot police and they threw out. The pro russian dictator and for the last eight years they ve been moving towards Europe. They be moving towards democracy and they like, where it heading and they do not want to go, to living under russian rule. They know exactly what that would mean they

exactly repression that they would face. They hear the reports that Russia has reported, kill lists for people who might be trying to organise an underground resistance, the same kind of people who are putting together the Molotov cocktails right now so that they are in a fight for their political survival. And maybe here believe, for, their action. will survive, so they they're going all in, and there are Russians doing the same in Russia by the way and be sees Richard angle. Live from Ukraine's capital. Thank you will have stories of Russians protesting at the weekend, saw protests around the world against Russia's invasion of, crane yesterday in Germany, a proxy One hundred thousand turned out in Berlin to protest the invasion and show solidarity with the ukrainian people, thousands of people in Madrid marched in solidarity with Ukraine.

Yesterday, one number estimated ten thousand filling the streets of Spain's largest city Australians gathered yesterday to show their support for Ukraine. Aerial shots, show massive turn out in Melbourne, with many people holding signs denouncing Vladimir Putin's actions in the south african capital of Pretoria porters carried than ukrainian flag during a rally there on Friday in New York City home to a large ukrainian population rally, yours filled Washington square park yesterday to speak out against Russian attacks and in Russia demonstrate place, flowers near the Kremlin yesterday as a sign of peace, but all to remember an opposition leader who was murdered eight years ago to the day in major citys across Russia, the Putin backed he's force has been cracking down on those protesters. Looking to silence any

opposition to the invasion joining us now from Moscow. Nbc new senior international correspondent here, Simmons care. What are you saying there Well, maybe you don't sit on the streets, but you about it in text, messages from middle class. Russians areas near panic here about what appears to a new iron curtain falling between Russia and Europe, member Mehdi Middle Class Russians have did connections to Europe. What we are hearing about. Through those messages from ordinary people, from wealthy. Russians is people's talking up on food and medicine. Atm not working for particular russian banks. Russian As I mentioned, connected to Europe getting Funchal,

from european banks asking into closed their accounts, the hearing that they may not have their visas to travel to Europe, what does that matter? But it matters of course, because the question for President Putin is: can he holds his coalition of support if you like together in them, fast of Russia Matter very much. In that respect. Now he's a criminal spokesmen Dmitri Prescott been giving a bridge. Just in the past hour, he has Sit in that briefing that the sanctions are heavy, I'm problematic but says that I will ride its way through its president. Putin will meet with Thank leaders and finance ministers today, but just today The news is grins. The stock exchange russian Stock Exchange has been closed interest rates doubled to twenty percent, so there are real fresh is President Putin is under pressure, just not

not just militarily, is richer by saying that in Ukraine, but diplomatically and economically, he is on the back for one of the question the Russians are asking themselves is very lash out, of course, There are multiple ways that he can lash out. Richard alluded to it that seen Russia in previous wars carry out were devastating attacks in Syria in Chechnya, for example, more devastating to tax, and we ve seen so far shouted against Europe, cutting off gas and and causing frankly economic. turmoil and then that final question Willie lash out in terms of that nuclear threat that he made again over the weekend. Now one qualifications that even to be Pascal determined spokesman. Questions today is not able to really explain what it means that Russia's we are forced to President Putin says, have been put on

I am most. The Russia's policy is that its nuclear deterrent is there Is it faces an existential threat but that being said that we have heard these. That's now gave a gay and gain from President Putin is clearly trying to send a message to western capitals that attempts to keep NATO out. Perhaps even supplying weapons to Ukraine till I care the first few days of the invasion. We saw. Some brave Russians go on the street and protest they were. Clean hauled off, yesterday did seem to be growing, the numbers swelling, and not only in Moscow, obviously remembering a fallen leader, but also Saint Petersburg, places around the country I spoke, I spoke to a russian immigrant.

who just said that every single russian middle class russian he speaks through just what you said they are beyond themselves, and it is in a state of panic does say More and more Russians are becoming involved in going out on the streets at what have you seen there regarding the protests and places the white, where the police state how they are handling them. I mean there are. protests. Thousands of protesters have been addressed. We know that Russia, Russia, comes down on protests on opposition, except for the kinds of opposition that is is sanctions. There is a split screen here, John, because If you are particularly of the older generation and new ones, russian state television, you are getting a completely different message from others, for example. So, for example, we go out in the streets who took the Russians and we asked them whether

speak English and if they do speak English, Firstly, we record some messages from them, but of course, we always say to us as well. If a rush person speaks English there, probably more liberal, so that you can count on the rest to make the extent to which there is a kind of a large slice. russian society that still supports President Putin that watches russian television and russian television is not giving them the full picture of what is happening with give and weather. at the russian onslaughts is, is slowing, I'm being slow, so there protest. But we are seeing oligarchs even sending out messages of peace, very careful message I should say: look I mean the question people are asking quietly behind closed doors is good, the preaching be removed, that was one cynical message that someone I spoke to go from a friend, a russian friend, and they re

that question of President Putin be removed and they end they kind of jokingly joking. He said well, first, you to isolate for two weeks and do multiple pcr test before you is not without its says, along about how isolated Eve it tells you a lot about the challenges of the inner circle around him I knew you are so right. I read round the Brahma ventures. Very careful message of course, both outraged followers of jealousy. The same time, certainly outraged leaders in Moscow, so a very delicate balance. These, ex are going to be the talent taking over the next several weeks and we see, cares Amazon Moscow. Thank you. So much greatly appreciated. Let's talk more about a massive impact on the russian economy, bring unseen BC. Dominic Sue you have a complete collapse of the rouble you

the russian stock market shot down now a panel because I know today is gonna get much much worse and you interest rates, spiking did twenty percent western eggs, calling Russians telling them take to close down, their accounts there, we all predicted. we all knew. This was going to happen. It's why many could imagine the Putin would be done enough to actually going to Ukraine. He got it, how bad, for the russian economy right now, It was bad before it's probably gonna get a lot worse in the coming days and weeks if these sanctions, where they go full force and have the effect on the economy that therein The two now we have spoken about about this notion that that that many people feel including president buying an administration that this is the harshest set of sanctions that have ever been levied on anybody, anybody any where any country in modern history, the intended effect, was to isolate Russia's economy from the rest of the world, exe

for oil and gas, and the reason why is obvious here, oil and gas prices have been surging even before the crisis began. The impact on many people and main streets all across the world will be felt. But what's what's curious about. This is something that that kind of here Simmons had alluded to this idea, that even main street Russia right now is starting to really feel the full weight of these sanctions, and it's only been a few days here since the conflict started. The real intention by many measures is to inflict enough pain on air Day Russians that they start to then consider whether or not this is a good idea to have the straight in Russia in places like a mere Putin and the reason why I say this, that the rouble becomes front and centre as a currency. You mentioned the surgeon rouble prices, they weren't. Let's put it this way. Pre crisis last fall. It cost you, seventy roubles, to buy one: U S dollars! That was the exchange rate earlier today. It spiked up you're on a hot, Ten roubles, too. By that same U S dollar! Now, in essence, what

that does is in an imports. Exports centric economy like Russia where they have a lot of commodity exports, right oil and gas and weaken grains and that sort of thing, but then they have to buy everything else from the rest of the world. If everything else became thirty to forty percent more expensive, including those for everyday Russians and everyday goods they use. That is where you started to really feel kind of the impact of things. So this is not just about guys the oligarchs, but it's also very much about everyday Russians and whether or not that public sentiment then starts to shift and what president. Vladimir Putin in Russia starts to pay attention guys I thank you. So much time and of course, news breaking last night that this will now be made exactly be considering the freezing of bank accounts of russian oligarchs as well, which make would be

Lord married, something they just to have saloon land. Sweden, also a member of the european plans to send military eighty, Ukraine more examples of unity among NATO countries and the EU. The European Union's chief executive yesterday said that for the first time ever, they eat will finance and purchase and deliver weapons to you, In addition, member states will also provide fighter jets to Ukraine, not just ammunition fighter and, as I mentioned, Sweden and EU member, that is not in NATO and has storage we maintained, a neutral position in conflicts will send anti tank weapons and other supplies, as well as fifty million dollars and funding directly. the ukrainian military. This is staggering this, as the United States, for the first time has proved that direct delivery of, dinner missiles to Ukraine as a part of a package approved by the White House that does

and came on the heels of Germany's announcement that it will send five hundred stinger missiles and other weapons and supplies to Ukraine. Let's bring in the host of way too early and white House, to achieve that. Politico, Jonathan Le Maire, MSNBC contributor and best selling author of the confidence code series. K is with us and the President of the council, foreign relations, Richard Hoss and former NATO Supreme, Allied Commander retired forced our Navy, Admiral James, to greet us he's. Chief international security in diplomacy, analyse for NBC News and and they say so. Start with you, you, obviously you you know NATO better than than any of us. It's stored, Mary, what NATO countries are doing, but let's just talk about yesterday they their historic moves made. Yesterday you could talk about Germany. Now talking about making you part of their constitution, that over two percent of

GDP has to go to military that something that is unthinkable. ITALY and Germany. Just a week ago, Swede now officer It lies the swiss talking about doing something they just don't do they're always seen as us hey than Haven Sweet providing anti tank weaponry. This is this I will say in a very small way yesterday it reminded me of of night he may be nine how you would turn on the news. Be listened news on radio and something that would have something happened. That would it would for happened over decades, and it's happening one after another after another in in sequence, talk about it. Well,

thank you: VE got Putin and your worst nightmare VLAD the invader is happening right in front of you and In addition to the mill. Terry setbacks. We can command that at some point, but the police Don't push back here really is extraordinary you're, correct categorize. It is a sudden acceleration on things that I frankly never thought with new and I'd put at the top as Germany saying they're going to spend two percent of their gross domestic product, listen, we ve been banging on Germany for three decades to step up and personally as a supremely commander for four years. I would talk with angle emerge oh and ursule Evangeline, who at the time was a minister of Defence in Germany, and they were this kind of sympathetic, but it was always rope a dope. They were never going to actually step it up. You know the price spect other hanging has away

clarifying your mind in the morning- and I think that's what's happening German Sarah see who crossing borders and anger, and then second point not such a good one This regard, is they Arkansas the Europeans. Well, you know states doing great. This crisis, but what's the next government in the United States, it is also part of the Europe stand for itself movement down that they see that right so by saying in many ways, the most encouraging thing in terms of the alliance would be upsurge in a desire to join on the part Sweden, and potentially Finland These are two nations with extraordinarily capable militaries right every big economies in the european Scheme, particularly Sweden. It give put

we're to push them to come into the alliance and that still a few bridges to go, but boy that would be. And part of prudence, worst nightmares, so Joe you're right to categorize. This is a bit of a shift in the tectonic plates and and and shifting, as you said, through its sudden acceleration of history, give us your take on the first for five days, of military combat crane. We understand the fog of war, so just from getting a clear, clear picture, but from You ve seen the media reports from what you ve heard talking to your military contacts. Where are we for five days into this invasion?

I have been surprised even shocked by the the stiff resistance of the Ukrainians. I have not been I've had ukrainian troops under my command in Afghanistan, they deployed with us forward. They ve been on many NATO missions again they're. Not formal treaty ally, but there are strong partner and friend, and the reason they have been is exactly what's just happened to them: potential for russian invasion and interference. So I've seen their troops. I've seen their spirit. These are tough people. You know it's kind. Place. He stays on the airwaves to say. Oh, you can it's a huge country, it's the size of Texas, that's true! But I'll tell you what is maybe a better comparison. The people are kind like Texans Well, armed they go! angry when people push they have a strong sense of independence you would want to evade taxes, I dont think I would like to end. I think

lad the invader is finding that in spades. Now, having said all that, we're all happy at these results Putin and has a lot of weaponry up. Is slavery still got a third of his forces in reserve? Although many them are conscripts? I'm really. This will come down. Do how much air support how much bombing how many more missiles Putin wants to throw at the problem because he is not exactly rolling up swiftly on the ground. Now reside and by the way, then, the Texans they Put it on their sides? When you come into their stay, don't mess with taxes, we can say as with Kiev right now want one. One final question for you: Admiral, something that makers been asking all week and how we here. pledges from the EU for Henry we hear about the pledges from the United States from the rest of Europe from the rest of the world for our promise.

pledges of weaponry going into Ukraine window. They get How long do they get there? Can we be sure that that the administration and the Pentagon, and the State Department don't drag their feet for the next month and we is. We have a situation like we had regard people who helped us in Afghanistan finding out that the? U S, Iraq received been dragging their feet four months instead of helping expedite there. There pathway out of Afghanistan did exist, we're going to be over before before, These pledges of of help get to you audience. I hope, I would never underestimate the ability of bureaucracies to drag, but I'll give you two factors that make it potentially a speedier operation here, one is simple: its geography in the far west of Ukraine, city of Levine right across that put fish border gateway,

You can move a lot in there and guess who's on the other side of that polish border from Ukraine, a lead U S military units, the strongest units in the polish army. There is no way the Russians are gonna, be able to take out that connection and levy. We could see: through their the trick, is gonna, beginning it from LA beef to the front lines, trains still running in Ukraine, there good roads that can make those journeys. I think the ledge sticks, train will move where that, so that's one positive factor, the other one that we have mentioned it, who is To all this is president so Linsky, who is turning out to be a kind of new Churchill in his ability to rally his oscillation stand tall, for a guy who's, five six, my high, he is still ending tall in this crisis and doing just stored. Mary things we need to make sure he doesn't get taken, argues becoming Central to this, but the

did he's rolling his troops, the fact that he is calling for wanna ride out of their country? I want more ammunition, that's cool since Olenska. It's a pretty good one That will motivate the west to get weapons in it. and these ukrainians. By the way. I closing on this, I like the idea of fighter jets, because Three NATO nations operate the Mig. Twenty nine believe me: the Ukrainians is not how to fly a Mig twenty nine. That is not a bad move. outside to you keeping score at home, most providers, five foot sex. He presently remind commander that's a breach of the presence of Ukraine: five foot, six Winston Churchill

five or six thousand some good numbers here to have a society is a war. Definitely unified grain is a giant ordinary. Thank you very much. We still not take your aid to get to Richard House, the President of the council on foreign relations and catty case coming up we'll talk more about you cranes, president rallying Ukrainians and much of the world against parliament and ukrainians willing to stay and die for their kind. we are making an April, as is right this, what what he has transformed himself into over the the last week is is its historic. He has stepped up taking a look at this remarkable transition from miserably days and entertainment to a wartime leader plus. Another headline were following this morning: new reporting about the origins of the corona virus. What new research says about how and where the pandemic may have begun. You're watching morning, Joe we'll be right back

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he made the move anyway, which, which I only bring up all those who predicted this was going to happen. still say the man it did what was not his best interests, not in the best interests of his country, and it is deeply troubling, then more troubling. Now that he's seems to talk. Nuclear weapons every two or three days when things don't break away You want some. The brake give us some insight, we write. He is isolated. He also is what I would describe as a serial underestimate her. He was of the United States at the beginning of this crisis. Clearly wasn't Germany and Europe clearly was of Ukraine, He holds all of these entities shall we say and in contempt he's now doing work, jeez doing everything talked about so far this morning. Joe, I agree with this is clearly go and much worse than Putin Imagine is going more slowly on the ground, which is one of

growing worse at home with all the economic as well as political pushed back, but here's here's the danger in this which is all this code on core good news from our perspective bad news for him, and this then, I think, raises in his mind the need to change and the most the thing is not did he issues for peace that these talks on the border with Belarus sickened somehow have an immediate breakthrough it's easy escalates, not with nuclear. I think nuclear is a bluff, its away to intimidate I can imagine him doing a couple of things very quickly. One is introducing more forces too opening up the Belarus Trot and thoroughly. probably most doing what he did in Syria. Using munitions that essential, essentially conventional terror weapons. These

called Thermo Barrack bombs that put fuel in the air before an explosion and kill all sorts of innocent people indiscriminately. He basically commit war crimes every day in Syria, my hunches she's gonna be tempted to do it in Ukraine, so I think we have to be prepared for that. Things will get worse. I would predict on the ground then That's still doesn't given the break through and its possible it won't. Then it gets. The interesting whether he does show some interest in peace talks, not because he's in change man because of the pressure back home and that's where economic and political issues at home become really really significant. Real really potentially decisive weather. there's some restlessness in the inner circle cease. P not necessarily want to spend the rest of their lives as hunted war criminals. Putin essentially realises that this is going so badly. That is Political future Anthea cares about the country so much ass himself,

there. He is worried about his own future, we're not there. Yet. I think it it's going to get worse on the ground, but it's not inconceivable that in a matter of days or a week or whatever your time limit is that's when he after under he'll, have to make some choices, because this simply isn't working on the ground opposition at home is beginning to mount. so also Richard. There is, of course, the option B A being that he's become your rationally scanty rice said yesterday he's not the same Vladimir Putin. as she another diplomats have long known this. Could I've just been a calculation demilitarize the contrary, taken of Kiev swiftly and having no fuss no mass invasion. This has been. Why he's tried to do in two thousand and eight a quick five day invasion. Humiliates the Georgians were the peace plan. This

thing happens in Crimea and Ukraine and two thousand fourteen. The same thing happens in Syria into them some fifteen. He has made calculi it moves in the past that that actually, far from blowing up in his face, helped to move eve much with, it'll cost. Perhaps he just miscalculated if he did miscalculate world What's the next move for Putin? What's the next move, also for western diplomats to try to figure out how to get him the corner, and I understand that there are several genes. But, as I said before, the last thing we want is Vladimir Putin in the corner where he really does start thinking about nuclear weapon, So does start thinking about the industry bombing and killing of Ukrainians. Luckily Rachel, he did miscalculate and you're right. A cornered Putin is a dangerous Putin

If we don't know what he would a wooden two and also at the moment is not clear to me. There's any constraints, there's no checks and balances If you want you want on the nuclear learn, no one around them is gonNA is going to prevent them from from doing that, and he's got all sorts of retaliatory options. I just mention one: the use. of more violent munitions. I can imagine him doing cyber attacks against Europe and the United States his way to retaliate on economic sanctions he could go after Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, them being the most vulnerable of the NATO countries. This local munitions potentially biological again now clear to me, as is the least likely, but through the mere fact he would threaten it. Tells you something I would say a couple things. So we ve got to do. One is keep the pressure on we can't reward him for it threats. We ve gotta good faith on negotiations and talk to Ukraine about what we put on the table, but I think ip most interesting is messaging back to Moscow. Debate

sickly, say right, it does not want to be a pariah. We Russia to rejoin Europe and and the world, but so long as Lattimer Putin is doing what he's doing that's not possible, but the sanctions will come off. The isolation of Russia will come off. A shoe This latter mere Putin stops. This war potentially gives our power. I think again. We gotta fight this on multiple battlefields on the ground in Ukraine and its home, on in the airwaves and on the ground inside Russia. I read your: can you explain why Israel has been so reluctant to speak out against the Russians they drag their feet until the eleven. Well, I'd, say until maybe a minute or two until midnight. We ve heard grumbling over them this weekend about their reluctance to move for they just had to announce that there Going do in fact condemn Russia's invasion of the General Assembly. This is quite shocking, and may we here is a country that, since nine,

keen. Forty eight they have. They have been under Siege Stephen attack from all sides. You would think our best ally in the Middle EAST is real. We first in line to support the people of Ukraine and be shoulder to shoulder with us. Politely asses of a country that I have always strongly supported the hell is going on in Israel. Its rules on a shortlist of disappointments. Here I put India on that the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, but Israel is rules The west it's a democracy. Is The foreign policy. Now, by the way, there's been a big debate within the israeli government that spilled into the public on this is look. This too narrowly? They dont want to alienate Russia in part because it jewish community in Russia, even more because of what's going on in the Middle EAST and in Syria, and the Israelis and the Russians have had certain understandings about.

The war in Syria and about not allowing it to enter into Israel? So the Israelis are allowing their narrow calculations to get in the way of much bigger calculations. I think they got it wrong, I'm hoping they they ultimately get a rakish, because the danger here is that it will, since the fabric, the! U S is really released at the end of the day. Israel, really Israel's relationship with us is more Morton and their relationship with Russia and israeli farm policy, or to reflect that absolute we still need to get to caddy K? Also coming up we're gonna go live to Brussels to check in with NBC News, correspondent, Judge Letterman, who just go? An exclusive interview with the head of NATO will have that plus javelin missiles are helping ukrainian forces hold their ground against russian tanks, how the weapons are tied to former president trumps Self proclaimed per

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I thank the President and his team are our handling this pretty well. I think that maintaining the unity, the solidarity of NATO and and the rest of the world is very important. a lot of support for the Biden reaction so far, the administrations reaction, Caddy K and there's discussion about Putin State of mind whether he is serious about certain things that these gone mad I suggest believe him at this point to matter what he says: Bogor we're watching today's reaction from the russian economy. How that impacts? Russians, the russian reaction to this, because we're looking at things that actually could get to Putin and think that, as well as any potential impact on oligarchs yeah just think how the net has tightened on the oligarchs. I was in London just last week, when I spoke to you last maker, from the and Boris Johnson said, Oliver

and no longer going to have a place to hide in London. Let's see how tough the UK is does actually getting is all adults. They own huge amounts of property in London. They set their kids too expensive schools in the UK so far, the UK is refused to clamp down on them because they want money, and it doesn't want to get to the reputation for seizing assets, but you ve now go to the big oligarchs, dare Pascoe Friedman close to Vladimir Putin's speaking out openly against the war, there is a sense in which the oligarchs a kind of being pushed away from Putin on the war in Ukraine. They don't like what they're saying some of them have family members. One of them has parents who live ukrainian citizens and and live in the country still? So, if the oligarchy turn against Putin if they feel they cannot have the lifestyle. They have been. used to if their visas are denied, if their kids are no longer allowed to go to expensive schools in Western Europe if their assets are seized in London, would they be the war

to turn to Vladimir Putin and say this is hurting asked too much. You have to stop the fat but some of them be spoken out against the war, and Ukraine is notable. And itself it's hard to get rid of a lad. Maputo would come from the oligarchy and how hard they have to be squeezed before that happened Those are the questions right now, Jonathan Amir, also Ukrainians are wondering when the quit the equipment that's been promised, is going to get to the war fried. What can you tell us about? What is a white House doing what state? What's the Pentagon doing to expedite these an shipments. We ve heard about the pledges we ve heard about the pledges from all across the world, but what's that framework, because there's a hot we're going on right now, Kiev, under siege right now. We should note the sound

really play coming in their from Robert Gates praising the by demonstration gates famously said, he found Biden was wrong, not every four policy decision over the last twenty years, and the fact that he has now said the presidency are a good job on this. One is no are these for those weapons show. It is a key issue right now for the: U S and the Pentagon, their explore a number of options, because right now, frankly, it's hard to fly those weapons in to Ukraine a hotly contested zone without potentially being drawn into battle. They want to avoid that that airspace is tough to penetrate the moment. For the moment, their work on getting weapons to neighbouring countries, perhaps to Poland, where they will then be driven in. That is option being considered? Also, there's a thought thought from the defence secretary: they might try Ukrainians elsewhere in neighbouring countries on how to use the weapons and then have them come back in without committing, of course, Wes forces and one more note on the idea of weapons we heard from the President Putin over the weekend. Turning up level of the nuclear armament there,

I consider responding. The present- could have got a DEFCON three which would have match that decided not to do said. The no played down that said the pollutants bluffing in fact, fanned administration officials of the last couple of days to question frankly its grip on reality. They feel like that. He is more isolated, because the pandemic that he does not people around him tell him what going on, and they want to. plant that seed and senior officials, I've talked to say they say It's been successful right now, but I will note I just spoke to someone over text in the administration, who said they d have little to no hopes for these peace talks about to happen. On the Belarus Ukrainian Border in part because of who Putin set a low level former minister of culture, no who cares any real weight in the Kremlin things were, I guess things will just have to get worse for Vladimir Putin before he decides to take peace talks seriously. Richer. Has ask you about something: Jonathan, just brought up

Robert Gates, who has never been a fan of Joe Biden. Foreign policy views have been praise yesterday, I guess you could say is ever been a fan when he says everything he's got a yes vote park Gates correctly said correctly said that bind is, has done it a very good job in bringing NATO together? You ve said the same thing about candy. We're candy yesterday also praising Joe Biden an end If you look at what Joe Biden Heritage no idea, no ideology here. Let's talk history, what he inherited he and did a foreign policy from a president who worked feverishly for four years to undermine NATO to attack Nato's leaders do attack the very idea of NATO. times calling into question some of its most basic tenets and, as far as Ukraine goes, these

Evelyn vessels that have been so important of course is, as we have mentioned before, you Donald Trump refusing refusing to immediately send those weapons that had already been authorized by Congress, slow walking it until he got dirt on Joe Biden in the middle of a presidential campaign. This is what Joe Biden has inherited where you had Angela Merkel saying we can no longer rely on the United States, we're going to have to look elsewhere well made, was more more together, I actually, I would say probably in forty fifty years. Suddenly we even had trouble with de Gaulle during but we are shoulder to shoulder to shoulder with NATO and that didn't just happen. This has been. This has been something of a major success for Joe Biden in the administration, as in it absolutely and you're right. It didn't just happen. This is,

much and Joe Biden, Wheelhouse House Joe his his is principle involvement in foreign policy over the decades has been Europe he's the kind of when it was a senator. He would every year go with John Mccain and others to the Munich security form, this is these- are issues, is he's totally comfortable and take the turnaround in Germany, not just two percent defence target defence spending target, but this total participation and sanctions shipping of weaponry. All that didn't just happen, registration has been spending an awful lot of time, quietly working working, account should know. I think there, extraordinarily critical of the by ministration over Afghanistan. But here they deserve real praise for her manage the various venues of this european venue. Ukraine, which, which is it, which is an easy,

obviously, the sanctions, which are which are much more of multi lateral, a much more ambitious than anything that's been attempted before us in, even though deterrents didn't work, the efforts to get to we do not to go when that was beyond our capacity to control. We do we made mistakes and, right now or in as good a place as we can be given the given the geography and then given the realities and with you Richard, I was very critical of the bite administration on Afghanistan, the retreat from Afghanistan and the factory keep twenty five hundred peacekeeping forces in their back. As far as this crisis goes make it from the very beginning, Joe Biden has done what we need american President's to do an end at that, quietly diplomatic. we stitching NATO back together, average being ripped apart by Donald Trump for four years and and bringing NATO actually into?

better place than it's been in again. duck we're. Gonna go live to NATO headquarters. Next, we have an exclusive interview with NATO Secretary General or hear it. He had to say also ahead the letters from on the ground. The, U N, says more than half a million people have fled. Ukraine will get alive report from Poland's border with Ukraine, where many are seeking refuge a lot still to get too and that developing story mornings will be right back. An ambitious agenda stalled a Supreme Court confirmation looming aid, money before the Midterms President Biden delivers his first state of the union and, on the same night, Texas kicks off primary sees. What will was

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