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to be the news. Every day January, the sex and the news area just keeps sort of piling out more news every day, Willie January six committee, who we thought. sorting about a slowly as I did in I was going to say, high school, but high school college in law, school them really taken off and every day more documents, more information that is more damaging for the former President yea interesting. We talk, you know many months ago. We thought of you know this is moving rather slowly and if you talk behind the scenes to people around the committee, they say, look getting what we need for every high profile, STI Ban and who doesn't want to show up every mark meadows who wants to make a point down Trump and that show up to testify. We Reims, thousands and thousands of documents from meadows. In some cases, print document is an emails but

So from all other people around the present press secretaries advisers, my pencil team is cooperating by and large. This committee will have what it needs to tell the story of January six, why the oath keeper there the keepers lawyers set a couple days ago, is that he was going to just plea here just going to plead the fifth and say nothing ended up. He was talking to him for six hours. Yesterday, that's the thing about yelling. Once you get him talk and they can see that there is actually always with an Ipad that there is a bit the committee everyday lives, revelations they seem to be focusing in honour. As far as we can tell any potential conspiracy theory very glad at all different ways that Instead, they have been energized, and I think that the fact that more and more people are coming to talk is bringing others into because in the east You have somebody in the oval office telling her side of the story. The other person needs to go in and speak up for him.

Herself so now, this this is moving experience fairly quickly. There talking about hearings in the spring import sometime in the fall, the men terms, so Moving David again is really said, very steep ban and their ten people that worked in the trunk lighthouse, regardless of a wide, our viewers may think about Donald Trump or people who worked in trumps white ass. They were there thinking they were, they were doing we're doing the nations bidding and they were doing it better than the person who would follow. Thou. Well, there's a lot of those people who woke up on January, the sick. So what happened were horrified and do and are patriots and don't don't want

see these people getting away with and were actually starting to hear from some of the trumps most loyal republican followers? Talking about bringing justice to those who beat up cops on January, the sex we weren't hearing that two weeks ago, it says the relentless past us we'd needed an inspectorate shut, their people remain Berlin is Iraq just pursues the case ceaselessly, and this committee is proving that have that a relentless shuffle step by step. Accretion of evidence? I think there was a is right there looking at a conspiracy, but there the putting the Evans together. As you say, starting with the well lower down people thought were loyal to Trump

I did that they have responsibility, sure this information- and this is not a circus. It's not on television is you know, we see it every day and cable news, but day by day they get more stuff, and that's that's where this needs looks like we're, lay more than six more weeks of winter for Donald Trump. and those who really were involved in a conspiracy in January. The sex, yeah alot of people in their shadows. Aren't there right now he's abandonment of new developments. New memos obtained by the New York Times, appear to show the origin of the trunk campaigns plan to create fake slates of electors designed to help Donald Trump overturned, the twenty twenty election. According to that new reporting from the times, one memo issued fifteen days after election day show the Trump campaigns sought to by itself more time to

returned. The results quote at the heart of the strategy. The times reports was the idea that their real deadline was not December fourteenth. When official electors would be chosen to reflect the outcome in each state. January six, when Congress would need to certify the results. The mammals the times initially were meant to address trumps challenge in Wisconsin, but ultimate became part of broader strategy to pressure. Vice president, my pants to block this if of Joe Biden win for some context. This reporting one elections exe for a guy named David Becker tweeted. This quote important. at the same day, the Trump campaign sent a memo to Wisconsin seeking to overturn the will of Wisconsin voters November embryo was headline for trumped demanded, statewide recount, which he declined to do. It was too before Wisconsin's deadline to certify the election. In essence, what this reporting demonstrates is that I was trying to overturn results that weren't even certified yet and which he didn't think we're word

of state wide recounts each just two weeks. You know after the election, Donald Trump, just pleasantly according to these memos in his campaign, trying to put different people in place? Who would change the results of the vote how do you mean a more clear and Donald Trump intend? Here? I mean there is such a scam and always cards and reveals him for this scam orders that he is just like. He was talking about rigged elections in the summer of twenty twenty when he knew he was gonna lose the election before me is six months before the election or five months for the election even took place here. Jotted thermometer, Donald Trump, Is seeking an alternate set of electors? Despite the fact he in challenging the voting for a re account, and it was even before those recounts count certified. So he didn't

what the results were going to be. He didn't care what the results were going to be. He knew that he lost on election day. So the only thing he cared about. Why are he lost from the votes cast on election day and and and absentee ballots in? So he was ignored. What he was just going to claim, who is rigged and put up these scam set of electors? there was a month long process too so seeds of doubt about the integrity of the election. All summer long and twenty twenty, we heard him rail against mailing ballots, even though front to that point, a lot of Republicans and not an older voters, opted to you those thoughts against the advice of his aids. He said well mail about we're. Gonna be do you

a means to fix the election. We can't trust them because he knew that Democrats or encouraging their voters to do so, because the pandemic do not stand in lie. So there was that we have this here. You didn't bother with reach out, but they simply want to install new sets of electors. Those new electors, weren't gonna, suddenly hand him the White House, but they're, going to add more confusion. They were going to perhaps delay the process. They are in the middle of December when the Electoral College was to meet because they wanted on January six for them to present this idea, hey there's confusion here: the seven battleground states that all incidentally, went for Joe Biden. We can't trust their results. So, let's toss them out, that was the plan outlined by John Eastern as members. We can't trust those seven states, my pants, over the ceremony COS them out. go with the other. Forty three states hey doll whims he's got more, doesn't to seventy, but he'd have more than Joe Biden at that point.

I was the plan as far fishes it may seem. That was what they were trying to do is the coup. There is no legitimate means to contest the elections. It was all about him simply trying to maintain power, will it again what were they doing? Look at the states where claiming that there were scam results, Wisconsin, godson, looking legislature. Pennsylvania had a republican legislature, Michigan had a republican legislature. We said on this show months at a time, counted action to account all the votes election day concerns a proposal to do it like Florida does, or else this is exact What's going to happen to happen Florida, another swing state had republican legislature, Georgette Republican alleges that he republican secretaries state republican governor again. This is this is Donald Trump. It did. This all shows intent that it was just a SEC, from the very beginning with interest, and also that the

is it that yes, there is a method to their madness, but what is so striking? The last couple of the last week, or so is how much Donald Trump has been out there himself. You know tat about this saying you know, I asked my way I wanted my pen to overturn the election. What we're seeing is is complete, Now we open about it and what we are seeing is from it from his own words and from this reporting and from this revelations the committee, how much she was completely centrally involved, it was run by him. You know there was the thought that ITALY's Sidney, Palin, Giuliani, Donald Trump is directing this, and that is, we have forgotten that that he the President of the United States, and he was tried to overturn an american election. I mean we ve gotten so used to Donald Trump is kind store near when you look now and see what they were doing system. Do systematically systematically and of course, it's all being revealed right now. Willie.

It is in. There is more former president Trump suggested, pardons four January six protesters during that rally last weekend, but a new report finds he first floated the idea before leaving office to soar, He's telling politico trunk seriously considered issuing a blanket part to those involved in the attack on the capital. In the final days of his presidency, tramper poorly made three: calls to an adviser between January six in January twentieth to inquire about doing just that corner one source trump ass aids- if he should pardon quote- buddy that had a trump sign, or Buddy walked into the capital. Meanwhile, the Washington Post points out Trump suggestion of pardons likely make it far less likely for January six defended to cooperate with investigators, attorneys or a trial. The posts notes for those awaiting trial, the impulse to good deal and service sentence to get it over with may suddenly seem less appealing than sitting tight and quiet, crossing ones fingers. So

The UK is Elizabeth, said you have Donald Trump effectively at that rally. The other night just confessing to all the crimes that we have reached of evidence that show here the centre of this conspiracy to overturn a presidential election What we ve learned is Lisbon set over the last few weeks is that the committee is looking closer and closer Donald Trump and his involvement and the idea that he wanted to have these people pardoned He left office because he didn't want them to testify or be deposed. I think, is critical. What were they going to say that he was so worried about? they had said undergrowth that might have implicated. The president, and I think that ties internet, you know them the meeting, PAL

Poland Flynn, where they start drawing up. The executive orders is where they try three different departments. He try three different departments of the: U S federal government, to see if he can seize the voting machines piece by piece, we're getting a picture that increasingly blinks Donald Trump the actions on January, the six

yeah and certainly here, there's a truism for those of us who have covered Donald Trump for a long time. There's very rarely a thought that he has in private or says to AIDS in the office. They guessed eventually blurred out in front rally. That's where we need mused. He mused about Joe the idea of a pardon while officer there, of course just started talking about it in private, huge crowd in Texas today and one aid cap. This report came out last night. One eight also texted me this effort to keep people quiet, but it was also effort Trump musing idea of rewarding his supporters because they were fighting for him. That's what so port to him. They are fighting for him on television, which is one of the defining alienating principle of Donald Trump. What he thinks about people who are loyalty here's. The thing ok, Donald Trump knew he lost the elections from the very beginning, but he also knew tat if he accepted defeat and did they the traditional way the Republican Party would move on, because the only thing he had over any other candidates wasn't wisdom.

Knowledge. It was strength and he sold strength and he knew the diffuse a loser. The republican Party would go away from him and said: he knew by talking about a ring the election. He can keep everybody on the side against them see, policies in the seas and whoever the another left wing bogeyman war and is This narrative is slipping away. It becomes more and more obvious He lost the elections even to a lot of his supporters, Getting war I robotic getting more extreme. He sang more bizarre things because he has to keep Republicans on his side because once their God, the right around the sad. As for president, their volunteering foreign decided, surprised and and and the brains over, and it never comes back and David. You look at a pole two days ago that I think was a people and is so tat

as a former Republican it so telling that during the election to identify yourself as a as of Trump from a report. Can it was something like fifty five percent laden, themselves, forces sportive, Donald Trump and thirty. Five percent is republican and you could tell because there's a pro Russia Ty NATO, big spent party right now. What's reversed from fifty five, fifty six percent say they first identify themselves is Republicans next day fi themselves, like thirty five percent support. Donald Trump, he's seas He sees the Ford starting to move away in going Deronda status, Maybe a few others and panicking and that's why we had the extreme statements this weekend. Think he is nervous. He sees this this movement of voters. I wouldn't say toxic, but he's

becoming problematic for republican, soon see that I'm on Capital Hill in Commerce too, that we are here from people off the record. My worry Joe is that even as this House Committee is pursuing all the details, Republicans you're, going to school on the mistakes that they made, that prevented them from steel in the auction they are determined next time around to be even more worthless and they use even more aggressive tactics to try to get the right people in place of the state level, so that, while we should take from this Movement away from from tromp among some Republicans down there in the grass roots. Third movements to walk in the power of this

extreme part of the Republican Party, and can be tougher for national parliaments to private loose and will see what happens David the sole Joe Biden announced three thousand troops going to Eastern Europe there things to read out of this. One is so this slow motion move toward by partisan consensus at the beginning, a lot of people that work for Joe Biden inside the White House seem to re initially like Barack Obama, did and twenty fourteen is very slow job said the quite poured out loud were now we're not gonna do anything away, they go when we and then he said it might, and that press conference where swept and mistakenly talked about a minor, encouraging, aristocratic traditionally, in that it was not sure Chile, but at that moment I think he knew and the entire White House no we're going to have to have a strong robust.

the spice and so that's happening and three thousand troops to Eastern Europe, the Russians now But twenty five hundred troops in Syria can do. This is not something that Vladimir Putin are any the military people there want to see. They don't want to see. As thirty five on on their borders. This is Willie Tonga to be the opposite and what Vladimir Putin was hoping for and God you look at all. The troops There are now moving to ease.

Europe they have to know if they go in bringing to even more joy. Think Putin must have calculated that that Biden was the person in some ways is biography, suggests. A genial career politician is careless. He talks to merge the OECD's good all Joe Biden, and I think Putin thought that he could ruin and but Biden in this crisis has been increasingly week by week. Resolute ease, started by saying the right thing. We need to do this together with the NATO allies work every day. Somebody was calling a european capital of getting people on board, as as the Russians threatened and move toward US collation. Biden has done the same thing did indeed you, since Putin was trying to find an exit ramp a couple days ago in his first, and so I think, Putin is really confounded by, but by binds matching him in this escalation ladder. It's been rhetorical, thank goodness, but it's not worth it. Prudent saw the setting up, and so now Putin is pending itself. As the victims are you? What does troops and the border and is sending thirty thousand to Belarus? Is? Is the victim and that's interesting, because the victim is now going to say these. These bullies in the western forces- and I dont want war, and then you get in

diplomatic round. I didn't think we'd we'd be here and if a sign, I think, about over resolute. U S, policy lotta things criticized by it and for but this one of my that's it as he sees handle pretty well, Sir David. Let me ask you extraordinarily unpopular question. with an extraordinarily unpopular setting Lloyd's just questions. We don't ask in America for the most part. This country, There was twenty seven million people and world war, two twenty seven million people, slaughtered in world WAR two because of an invasion they lost their. empire, two ninety one and you have people talking about expanding NATO into Ukraine, a region that he s most russian still consider to be a part of of

this greater soviet state, and you look at Ukraine and it is like a knife that cut straight into the heart of Russia, I always think about when we're lecturing Israel people that want to win noble prizes for peace and lecturing Israel to do some things that will hurt their security because they want Nobel Peace Prize is so I wonder if we do that if people lined up along the Mexico border the canadian border, so I asked a question that I think Putin has asked another Russians of asked What? If Russia signed a security alliance with Mexico, how days, do you think we would put up with that? they have a screw realised with with Cuba, which is on our doorstep, and how does that, where every day turn out well up, but it s. I think your basic point that we,

and we just need- is think like we do as they are looking at it understand. Our address adversary looks the world and see through their eyes to the extent we can in every country, deserves, have secure borders that vessels and Russia has secured. The bananas has invaded Russia nobody's. I should perhaps from Georgia from Ukraine from Crimea. Nobody threatened Russia's borders, and for thirty years Ukraine's been an independent country. With now almost two generations of an independent people, I understand and that's how Russia's feeling, but in a way, if we put ourselves too much into the mindset of Putin and thinking, I will that's how Russia's feeling you end up potentially making concessions to Russia over this crisis may just encourage him to do it again for your brain regarding the borders, they ve invaded anybody over the last two generations. The point is, they are defined.

I losing twenty seven million people during world war? Two just like Just like Jews defined right now by losing six million Jews during that same conflict, It can't help if you lose twenty seven million people to shape your thinking and to say never again and again. I am not saying this to say: we should give concessions to Russia on this thing. we want again help him get out of the corner, so we don't have a european war

What we need is sort of asking ourselves. What are they thinking? How can we help the late this out? He wrote this very clearly in a speech they wrote last year when he talked about. Ukraine is part of Russia, and I feel you know he clearly felt the brush russification of that area of world actually wasn't very much about NATO. It was about Ukraine. Ukrainian identity is part of Russia in front of us was so I think the proposals that you Ursus has made the just been revealed through Spain to Russia to speak to this russian anxiety about security. They say we will never station. You question criminal in Ukraine

promising. Ukraine will never be a NATO member. You can't promise that, but it is speaking to the to the concern. One thing show that the poles are poles in Russia that are pretty reliable show. Is that the younger? You are the less motivated you are by that history. Waited that history, the roles of the younger generations. He asked them, we stand and fight with russian speaking Ukrainians. They basically say no, it doesn't speak to them. So I think that's one of prudence. Fears is that is that, as Ukraine is gone, West wants to be european. So too will younger Russians we're just like any other depression. Through my my grandmother's eyes, I saw the depression through my mom's eyes. I was connected my kids that they had no idea in a bind and talked about this in his press conference. It was kind of it with it. It was distant, potent that he said you know like it couldn't

lost, he's lost the empire. He he's got burning tundra he's got. You know he was sort of looking poor Russia. You know they're not what they used to be and he's feeling threatening me he's. He was sort of playing into this idea. This is in a dictator. Treat, but it was late. You know fighting does understand. What's going on a bit to some degree in pollutants hat, and I think we are talking about with the escalation, it seems to be working, but there is a fear that the what the U S is doing is actually egging. couldn't away, as is its at this debate, are we are we deterring him or we spurring him on, because he feels the assent of the United States and the United States has never done this kind of release this kind of intelligence publicly that and and work with the British on releasing intelligence indicating to the public what Putin's next move is going to be? But it certainly has, I think, confused the russian one thing we need to do or leaders they distort doing rhetorically. You stop putting Russia down

saying that we lost his empire in Obama saying why did there a regional power, a regional power, and I know you know what does it now thanks? I really does give if they want respect.

I would much rather shall I would much rather show resolve act can be going through this nobody, but if you're saying I understand he lost his little impiety, that's not how flew so that is not a happy Putin. If, if you read it, read him back in some report, says: there's an anti russian project and we are every day more threatened and he believes that mainly sets and rest, but he believes that he now has the world's attention and it may be if this is played right and played his his self respect more proper, as the French say that that there is a pathway out a week ago, I didn't like it was, but as he placed event more, we begin to see how this might work. It will cost us anything really. John Mccain also said it very gas station masquerading as a country. What it cost us anything to say. There are a great country with a gun, history they help

when world war two we couldn't have gained to Normandy by June six, nineteen, forty four without all the sacrifices, without that the sacrifices that that and let's figure out how we can work together as a nation I'd be again rhetorically now don't get out of the corner. The insults problem, Probably it up just a lot of what the hell you, you know what we now call the leader of another world, a killer. we're not calling she killer. Are we Maybe Hearn Joe Biden are present. Call she a killer, We have been so I'm just saying you now is We need to figure out how to get to offer out there and right now we do seem to be doing a good job of it. In speaking,

rhetoric has been interesting. You wash presents a landscape. Ukraine ass, the United States in the West have turned down the rhetoric on what their keep saying is an imminent war on its border. They don't want that still ahead on morning, job will be joined by former. U S ambassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor, to talk much more about this way and on the deteriorating security situation on the border. There were also speak to retired, Lieutenant Colonel Alexander VIN men about that story, as well as his new law suit against Donald Trump, junior and other allies of the former president, colonel then will be our gas plus present bind heads to New York City today, in the wake of recent police shootings how he and Mayor Eric atoms plan to tackle the rise in gun, violence in New York and across the country you're. Watching morning Joe, we write back rain geared it. Snowed

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I tell you this story because it so insane, but here goes to judges on the facts, show that mass to singer it's a reality show you may have sand where people saying in mass and then their reveal later reportedly walked off in protest during the taking of a recent episode after it was revealed that Rudy Giuliani was contested the premise of the show was celebrities perform a full costume and a mass covering their entire head. The judges try to get through the person is based on the performance audit deadline. Just can Jong Robin Thick walked. The set as soon as Giuliani was unmasked. Judges, Jenny, Mccarthy and Nicole Sures injure reportedly remained onstage and bantered with Giuliani the episode slated to air six months ago? This is a report from deadline. We haven't confirm that nobody has confirmed it, but somebody inside the room said

Rudy Giuliani, Ruby, Julie, Rudy Giuliani forgot, who have found trumpet try to overturn the presidential election was on reality, show and a big animal costume. Singing I guess this is like me, my God, is that having Roy count on this is your life and the little Mccarthy marry you get the reference that Al Capone work. It is great that even now in half of my guy exonerate them here, you are, of course the mask singer corresponded from morning Joe. What was through their mind. Where

any hats here, for one Joan, apparently in animal head costume as well. It is unclear what this was, but certainly I mean they're sort beetle. Perhaps you shouldn't be rehabilitated in those being at the leading edge of a plot to overthrow the government. I states might be one of those folks, but apparently, in this case regionally I was on any. I will note he has experience in costume before we ve all seen that clip from the when he was mayor of York, city redress them in drag. First skit framework city reporters function posed alongside Donald Trump. So maybe was the experience that the producers the MAX singer, drew upon for surprising casting call on those who carry out is that is bizarre, Willie bizarre yeah she's, not cutie there, you don't. I mean it's not like cute to have the guy who helped overturned attempt anyway, a presidential election on your reality show and apparently can John and Robin Thick too, of the judges to the fore walked

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maternal suing. You former Miami Dolphins, head coach, Brien Flores, says his lawsuit against the NFL in three of its teams over alleged racist hiring practices will continue, even if he becomes a head coach again, and he may well for us, as interviewed for the coaching vacancies on the Houston Texans and the New Orleans saints. While he is prepared to answer a potential call, this off season take a job. He says the suit will go on because the league needs to change here is for us talking about it last night on all with Chris Hayes. and at the end of the day, this is about me. This is about and minority coaches, I can minority leaders who don't get an opportunity, a showcase there, their skills, their leadership vacuum their intelligence, their abilities and whatever field it is, and it might in my case now,

the manifest case as coaches and leaders in this Lee change the the hearts and minds of the people who make those decisions There is also discuss the messages he receives. She says he got them for patriots Head coach bill, Bela check who mistakenly congratulated Floris on being chosen to be the giants. New coach before Florence even had been interviewed the pseudo ledges, was the interview was held purely as a demonstration of compliance with the ETA Fells Rooney rule. it confirmed what we we fall what's happening behind closed doors and confirm that, for me, and it's not just in football. It's a lot of different engine industry. Yours.

Meanwhile, Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross has responded to allegations in the lawsuit that he offered floor as one hundred thousand dollars per loss in order to take the teams, twenty nineteen season and get a better draft pick Ross in part, I take great person exception to these malicious attacks. The truth must be known. His allegations are false militias and defamatory. we're Cleveland, Browns, head coach, you Jackson is making accusations of a similar practice in Cleveland described me to ESPN. Yesterday the teams four year plan that he says incentivize losing and add to his one and thirty one record during the twenty sixteen and two thousand and seventeen seasons, Jackson said he would be willing to join floors as lawsuit spokesperson for the Browns called the accusation, completely fab it did so Joe

People are another Rooney rule requires NFL teams to interview minority candidates have been almost twenty years. Now that that rule has been in place. There is currently one black coach in the fell, and he is in past work. My tom, who's been there for a long time, an institution there but fascinating to see that floor as by the way he's a final west for the Houston Texans job. He is very much in the running for that job. He says if he gets that job. If he becomes the head coach in New Orleans or anywhere else, he will continue with this lawsuit because believe needs to be exposed for the way it hires and does not. Higher coaches first saw Jackson saying they paid him to lose gains in Cleveland and here's one and thirty one this guy's ruthlessly efficient. I want whatever I do. You want me to lose sure one and thirty one I mean come on just cost a fortune eyes. My grandma say that's great plenty. When it comes to losing now he should be hired, willing,

the guy one. Eight nine Games Miami. I can't say that now for me when, when you are hearing them, I had dolphins are winning eight out of nine games in a row at any part of the season. You know it's time to start asking if this guy's gonna replace Nick say, but when he leaves Alabama, that's say those beer Bryant Numbers in Miami at such a bad, bad franchise and I've been bad for so long but Margaret which lets once I got some numbers here. You we're gonna, play the masked essayist. Here wine Rudy wine aid of nine and one thousand. Those are three numbers setter, dare so democratic NFL one black coach? is black coaches fired if one in eight out of nine games in Miami, and they one hundred thousand dollars, which I think actually, if he's got exists if he has any documentary evidence of all of us, the most

damning thing that will shake football up. The most is can prove that the mighty dolphins were bribing am did tank games lose games, In so doing, I think a legal is David was saying illegally rigging bats. Here I mean this is kind of a two headed problem.

here I mean just instilled into what you just said, one of the other fellows very vulnerable. On both of these issues. One is race, I mean it is an embarrassment. I can get one out of academic, just wondering what does your players or sixty seventy percent african American of your owner is one non white owner shot kind of the Jack Campbell Jaguars, it's a very amid it's embarrassing on a number of levels and the NFL has not Natalie gotten better. There have gotten worse, it is an ongoing embarrassment and they in this is a very, very scary, a lawsuit for them, because it can be all kinds of exposure, sexual leaguer, legal exposure or just information. That comes out that could be embarrassing to these owners is, is very worrisome to them. The other part, though, that you said from pure competitive standpoint to have allegations of too onerous paying two coaches to lose games is We get one you're marketing, multi billion dollar tv deals, seasons

it's in the cities and your fans are hearing that other what the owner is paying. The coach for your team to lose is devastating for the league and the weak. If there is one thing that they are absolutely paranoid about, it is competitive. Integrity, issues, like that when we say that the bargain of competition that they are selling to their fans is in fact not. On the other hand, I asked you guys a question: how do you wilfully lose again, don't you're players to be in on that. Aren't they gonna talk about this only with well, I'm in our ways to do it without actually openly going into the lock room and saying to your players. Preludes. Is that how do you do it? You don't play certain player to keep them out. You pass strategy by issues. Look at me, look at their defence. You look at their defence and alignment. Instead of working decidedly get around their defence of alignment. You play your defensive upon its strength. Sesson send off alarms, you would think, but I mean there is a tradition that tradition, but I'm in

I would say that if the Cleveland grounds are one in ten and there I was not going to make the play out there. They exist keeping some of their best players on the bench to keep them healthy or two. Are you afraid, I'm next year, while the high traffic is, is the sort of peace where no one actually talks about tagging. But that's what Apparently Stephen Rosson and Jimmy has on the under the Brons, were we're trying to the government. There is obviously a lot of money. He must have tax. So

something some record of sums, even if, as event, I think you'd think he would go to meet so shocking to run on Bio owner. You got to lose the game that I imagine that is wrong, says that my has receipts and huge acts in the coach of the Brown says that he has written seven come out of when and if they do, I mean that's. A big problem he Jackson's received should be stamped aid in full, one and thirty wanted by whether we actually monitor things. You don't want to have any one. So David Ignatius, you said something I think is very important and let me just go all over the place here. Kid you're talking about gambling and that is starting to permeate Irving. It's kind of like and I'm gonna be an old old man. Here, it's coming marijuana everybody celebrating that marijuana legalised in this state that state this state that state I'm not celebrating that because

It because suddenly becomes the norm, and I can tell you: I've been around people that of smoke pot in over fifty years and bans I've never seen anything good about it. I've never seen. I know everybody does it. I know I'm sounding old here, but I'm just saying for kids and for a you know: I've been around I've been everywhere man. I've been everywhere gambling sites like that. It's part eating our entire culture. It is not good I can't watch of, ball match in England, without one of the teams being sponsored by a gambling syndicate elaborates and they're all sides or anything that night gaming- and this is we really we banned PETE rose forbidding on

this ball games. I think it's just is really bad. If you we're talking earlier few turnin tune in the sports radio. Now you just your constant discussion. Gambling was the spread and not did did you beat the spread each of the people on sports, or it is talking about his book weddings bedding today when he made this weekend and it's an environment in which fixing games the seems almost inevitable downtown. there are billions. Tens of billions of our streaming into the states are going nuts competing about how to get a slice of tax revenue in order it's it's like like marijuana, but it is something that people have just allowed to happens. Popular people love sports betting

the effects on these professional sports in the end, it's gonna, have to be the owners of sight wouldn't nervous about this. I think they already are nervous and also its somewhat quaint, to think that an owner will pay a coach for a higher draft pick them in pirate, but about like the magnates in Vegas who who says to the next Brian floors, are huge action or whatever coach rather forget the hundred thousand dollars. If you, if you lose this game, will give you a million dollars, and then you have a mean that this we're not talking about the most moral and sort of ethical business practices here, we're talking about football, something honourable, but but the big the kind of worms this could open. It is criticism every the waterfront Rothstein saying to Morrow at Brenda. It's not your night sitting ass one out right, so I mean when we all s but it was an accident and the Prime minister is gambling and combat on premises.

their fixing because of it. Now me, I don't think, there's really there really been, and I think there has been any scandals about it. But I'll tell you what I've seen a lot of guys, Miss three foot gulls wiggly, rightly very hey, suddenly daddy's. If South Asia, there has been a huge gambling scandal, major cricketers, Pakistan, other countries have been banned from sport, because gambling and and match fixing that sport became just overwhelming will and Willie is absolutely everywhere. If it as an app- and it will happen- I mean I've ever growing up- you know having here. There are two lane basketball getting banned for a year for fixing basketball games and David Letterman's monologue

at night? It's a real shame. They we're gonna, win seventeen games next year, but but yet that's one example of it, but I just fear with all this money sloshing around in an feel. Like you said these magnets of casino magnets. They could end up making more money on gambling. Then these athletes recently are making play professional sport. Suddenly the bribes you're going everywhere and somebody decides on they're, going to take it. yeah. You always run that risk. There's no question. It seems quaint that there was a day when they wouldn't put a team in LAS Vegas, because they are worried about proximity to gambling. Now for the raiders are and last season LAS Vegas I meant now, the raiders or in LAS Vegas, an aching gamble on any game anywhere in any state. You want to basically right on your phone. It is interesting to note. Pete rose in that doubt report. They major League Baseball report, the data,

Ford said he didn't they d, never Deanna savoured gambled for his team to lose you never bad against the sensitivity reds. The accusation here is that an owner paid his coach too. Games, which would be explosive again needs more investigation and documentary proof to show it the owner, Stephen Roscoe, the dolphin says it's not true. Let's bring in Emma Embassy Legal, analyse Charles Comin to talk about brain floors, lawsuit Charles Good Morning to daddy back this morning. What more have we learned since we listened to coach floor as we listened a huge acts and the former coach of the Brown who went one and thirty one, those two seed and say he might join the law suit is well what Did you learn yesterday about the suit and its chances to go forward and to be proven?

What money? This is bad news for the interface in as much as what we talked about yesterday was around class. Artificial and classification is the process in a class actions suit. Lifelong has brought we're. Basically, a judge will allow a class to go forward with the liability element is much easier for the plaintiff to prove in terms of establishing what happened to them in its establishing guilt and with you, Jackson coming for with these very explosive allegations against the Cleveland Brows and talking about his experiences there. That only pushes them for this information is discoverable, which means that both parties will likely use it to support their assertions that their defences as well. So there's going to be more of this, that comes out, which is not good for the league, even if this is never something that gives to trial that reputational damaged the league is taking right now in the court of public opinion is something that all the heels of everything that is all we already dealt with all the way going back to two thousand sixteen colic happening. Although forward this is NASA

not the leak can afford it. So I suspect that we will see this dealt with by way of sediment relatively quickly so storyline emerging here would be the Jackson Flores. You are saying there being paid to lose and therefore afro american head coach has become the face of losing franchise, make it harder for them to get future jobs down the road, and we already know the Unifil in such a hurry problem without we're in coaches and partly Floris suit. Of course is he also said the giants in the Broncos gave him sham interviews. You aren't really involved in the process, but this all I want to have the timing for second, this is all happening. Last few days the giants only name their head coach. A few days ago, the Bela check texts, or a few days ago, the innocent Already put out a statement saying this all without merit: how possibly could say that, there's been no time for an investigation, I would agree Jonathan? What we are looking at in terms of the timing around this investigation in the interval statement certainly seems to support the notion at what price

Floris has alleged, aroused systemic racism with within Annabel, and its ranks is viable that this is the actual clean that has some Tito that has made to it when you think about the overall context of what Flores is a legit, what he is Is it really saying is that systemically the inner felt as a league has been complicit in the exclusion of talented and qualified leadership from black and other minority candidates? Encroaching makes and that even as different franchises have made their decisions that anything has turned a blind eye. Knowing that this is a problem, I want to consider some. I want everyone to consider something, the conversation about this case, enough racism is not really the headline. Why? Because very few people are surprised. We are talking

bout. Something is wrong within the NFL culture, something that has been on open display for many people to see for a very long time. It's been the competitive nature and how the competitive nature of the Lee has been threatened. That has made this the story, but this has been out in the open for a very long time. Brian Floris has basically ripped the lid off and put in front of us for almost a really see and now the lead to have to deal with you know Joe as we wrap up this segment. One last point we should say again the Rooney rules put in place in two thousand three, and today we have one black head coach in the NFL one. Last point on tanking, though taking works, I hate tell you there was a game in late, two thousand nineteen bangles replying. dolphins. They called it tank more. The loose That game was assumed to draft a Heisman croaking winter, Joe Burrow,

Fr Cincinnati, dangles lost that game. They got Joe burrow in the draft two years later there in the Superbowl, which we pleaded in ten days. So difference here is the allegation that the owner explicitly said: here's a bunch of money to go lose the games, but whether they say it out loud or not. Teams that look like they're having a dead end season will derive that truck into a ditch. that they can perhaps get Joe Burrow in the draft. The iron and, of course, we ve always made fun of teams like the Detroit lie and sue go one in thirteen and then then, when you know too, Three landscapes. So this how this has been a big part of of culture, I do. I want to get one more thing here cause what once a percentage of black players and valued ranges about sixty five, seventy percent. Seventy two out of three I will. I will tell you the Boston Red Sox, one of the reasons why

Escort came back with the Boston, Red, Sox and you'd here. Sportswriter talk about it. You'd here are the real thing. There were hispanic players, some of them didn't speak a lot of English, but people like coffee diverse- they said you know Alex Coral will be able to set down to to him, they can relate culturally. He can relate to other players on the team, culturally new here that allied in baseball we just take, seem to decide where then a guy from you know, Galveston sitting down with a kid they that came out of the d or Porter Rico. They talk about the baseball all the time. Two out of three players, an official who are black and one one one black coach? That's not only that. Not only does it Speak terribly about the NFL who loves pudding and racism and their end sounds but also

Its it there's a loser competitive advantage, just like when everybody was saying o Dog Williams, a black man is quarterback. That is shocking. Well, guess what people figured out that hey we don't have to just draft white quarterbacks and then the entire game. Czech, german, MRS, not theoretical at all of it, my tomlins when the bus coaches, the Unifil, over the last twenty years, Montoni done geometer, been a number of african american coaches and and certainly now, african american quarterback summons. It's not just like that. Just about cited lab to someone in the locker room I mean this is rightfully baby. It's competitively spark Whilst I murkily rich cry business reporter David. Thank you for bringing it into the field of journalism you now I hired my marker to cover business will post as soon as he got there. He began.

And, as I am politics he began, hang style sexually feature writers. He was gone man I was taking you pay me a journalist drama. Thank you is always will undoubtedly on the show and still add another top doctor says it's time to give up mask mandates in schools plus. I thank all the right O. My present trumps Lindsey Graham, actually stood Donald there's still against farting. Generally six riders, we're gonna, show the comments. When morning show returns.

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