morning and welcome to morning Joe, what is Tuesday April thirteen along with joy, Willie and me, we have Pulitzer Prize winning, nest and associate editor of the Washington Post and I'm busy Call analyzed Eugene Robinson for this I can not in a row violent protests gripped Minneapolis suburb and in the wake of Sunday night deadly shooting police in Brooklyn Centre used tear gas on unruly protesters after they set up fireworks and hurled objects at officer? on the scene accord, to the Minnesota Stay patrol. Some officer suffered minor injuries, at least forty Ass were made overnight as report of living in the area, remain

limited limited to law enforcement vehicles were rolled out to subdue the crowds that that out past past seven p, p M curfew. They tried to put a curfew: people stay, out more than one thousand Minnesota National Guard troops were also deployed area. Will I let's go right too many apple is bringing NBC corresponded, Morgan, Chaskey, Morgan, good morning. What are you saying out there Willie good morning, and we are here in Brooklyn sinner about two hundred yards from that police station, where hundreds of people gathered last night and we witnessed ourselves as police and national Guard, moved block by block dispersing that crowd with tear gas with rubber bullets doing ever they could to try and get those people out of the way that were causing so much havoc. Here. For the past, two nights were standing in front of us more. That was damaged the first night following the death of Dante right and we're back again to data.

You just a glimpse of what happened last night. This is a dollar tree store and we watched as people from that massive group broke. These windows got inside as it as you can see late absolute ways to the building. If you can look up at the ceiling, a water main has busted flooding. The interior of this store essentially, a free for all for hours last night as police and their weight words, this area, clearing that by the police station this hundreds of common here grab whatever they could and then a one off incident. I we did have a chance to hear from police about four. People were arrested last night that we're taking part in putting similar to this, and this is all following. The tragic death of twenty or old Don T ride, which happened here in Brooklyn Centre on a Sunday afternoon when he was pulled over four x irish tags and then a police officer, that's not been identified. Is King potter, twenty six year veteran of the force pull down. Her

service weapon said taser, taser taser before firing? What is now known to be the it'll show that killed that twenty year old who died time later. This point Tom. You know that Minnesota State Criminal Court of credit, Apprehension is investing the investigating this case right now are we do know that The police chief has said that, after reviewing this video evidence, they do believe that this in accidental shooting out, we had a chance to hear directly from the mother of Dante right yesterday at a video over her son. She said that is unconscionable that you can have lost your boy to an accident and she's encouraging although to mourn his loss, but please don't do damage to this community, we'll send it back to you and meetings. in Chaskey in Brooklyn Centre so to one of the inner suburbs of Minneapolis Morgan thanks so much so. Here's what we know about the shooting. This morning, the Brooklyn Centre Police Department has released body camera

footage showing the moment twenty year old Dante right was shot and killed. We say he was pull over four expired tags when discovered. He had a warrant out for his arrest. We want to warn this morning before we show that footage. It is upsetting. It is graphic you may want to take a moment to look away from the tv. If you feel like you need to buy here is exactly what happened when police tried to take right into a study for the officer there. I just shot. I met a news conference yesterday, Brooklyn Centre Police Chief Tin Gannon, says he believes

shooting was accidental for information purposes. we train with our hand guns on our dominant side, entertain on our weak side. So if you're right handed, you your fire, I'm on your right side. It is on the left. This is done purposefully in its train. As I watch the video and listen to the officers commands, is my belief that the officer had the intention to deploy their taser, but instead shot MR right with a single bullet. This appears to me from what I viewed in the officers reaction in distress immediately after that this was an accidental discharge that resulted in the tragic death of Mr Right, the officer who

charge her firearm shot? Mr Right has been identified as King Potter at twenty six year, veteran of the Brooklyn Centre Police Department. She has been placed on standard administrative leave. For now, an autopsy report confirms right died of a gunshot wound. The chess listing his manner of death as homicide so Joe, the first blush here from the police department, from the chief is that this was an accidental shooting. We can get into this with some of our exports but, as he himself just said, there's a reason that the ticket taser is placed on the non dominant side of officers belt, the firearm. The service weapon is placed on the dominant side that the color is different. The weight is different, all those things anticipating a like this, so that the officer wouldn't reach for the wrong weapon. Fortunately, the New York Times has pointed out this morning. This has happened All too often, let's bring I now former member present Obama's task force on twenty first century,

using Cedric Alexander, his former public safety director of the cab county in or just Cedric. As always, we appreciate you with us today. The tragedy is a tragedy, any time any play Anywhere, but the timing of this was was especially the terrible, especially in the Minneapolis area. What can you tell us about the very tat. If you look at the videotape worldwide what what are you inclusions? Well, isn't it? In any event, I think they are negation itself is going to determine in certainly give the public all of us a better idea backs what what took place at that moment at time. Of course, we know what we saw. What

observed doing at the moment, but, however, that officer how she could confused to weapons may be under a great deal of stressing that moment, I dont know what she's gonna have to be able to make justification, and certainly the timing of it. The location be read as a percentage of the George Floyd's while makes it more challenging, but even makes it more challenging tat Joe a bigger, really is the fact that if you look across the country relationships between police and community is very much straight and men about marriages across this country. We go from one incident to another incentive to another incident that particularly involve people of color, and we cannot do so since we cannot minimize it. It is not a white or black issue for I'll just black people too big said about? It is an american issue that we have to confront, because this is

Explainable is unacceptable. It whatever was going through that officers. Man would she pulled the trigger and had the wrong weapon in her hand, she's gonna have to be able to articulate there? I don't know, but is horrific? in some? There has to be accountability, even if it was an accident, because that's what the american people, what so it's gonna be in arresting going forward what this is Yes, Sir Leon I think about imagination when we consider everything this war not desirable that I'm gonna make. If I just think have to look at whether accident or not accident. You have to look at everything that happened that led up to moment Rikers as much a part of it has the pulling the trigger. The descent to pull him over time when registrations and the damn these

cross the country arse slow to respond, if at all, if you can even Every decision that was made leading up to that moment plays into the problem. We are all talking about right. Now. Writing gene and and rigour makes a really good point that if you listen to the videotape, if you watch the video tat tape, see. Of course, there will be an investigation, but at first blush you list, everything you judge human Nature and it certainly appears to have a tragic accident that sad. Why, in the middle of a pandemic, why in the middle of the George Floyd trial. Why, in the middle of a crisis where the stickers for the license plates are running behind. because the DMZ in Minnesota is not getting it out in a timely manner

Why, in the world, are they going over a black motorists cause they're sticker, maybe a few months late even a year late, especially after seeing the night before videotape but what happened in Virginia where a man, can patriot, who serves this country honourably and the army saw, videotape back from back in December, where he was pulled over peppers aid and humiliated and shoved to the ground because of a supposed licence. play infraction, which ended up not being an infraction at all. It's the way it's the way black men are approached by police. Far too often in this country they are approached as being guilty. As the before being charged, yet I presume,

and am required to prove their innocence before their even approached its. You know this was not a fleeing suspect from a buyer the big idea. Why are they they pull him over? Why did they approach him as if he is the most dangerous desperado loosened been good in the MID west. It's it's stunning to me how this happened over and over again, and it is, it is escalated.

From zero to two hundred in in milliseconds and if the edited, it's the pits, the victims who has to try to de escalate, it's it's just it's just the its heartbreaking, but its infuriating that, if that happens over and over and over again, that Bergmann arts are so often, and so tragically, the victim so yes, even the others are, might have been intended to discharge the pull out a tailor orbit in simple that gun at all I don't understand how that happens at present. Better an officer tight, but maybe that happened Betty is absolutely make videos that sequence of events that led to that moment that's wrong. That's just wrong, and that has to change.

it's not common. The New York Times reports on a handful of examples in which officers mistakenly grab their hand gun some with it. Like consequences and in a twin Twelve law journal article entitled weapon, confusion and civil liability documented nine cases involving taken use other hand gun by officers who intend to do the taser, according when two thousand one and thousand nine and six of those nine cases, officers both carried both weapons on the same strong and side of their bodies, while many police depart require officers to wear their taser on their non dominant side to prevent the officer from confusing it with their pistol the Times reports and are often marked with I've colors to help differentiate between the two main Willie we're not gonna litigate this here on the air. Obviously you just see the video and you hear her,

says, I'm going to tell her you and then she's shouts These are taser taser, which I believe is part of protocol to kind of warning person, Org and let the office Next, to her know that a taser is going to be used, and then she shoots it it. She seems shocked after the gunshot. Health and energy use is the exploited and said I shot him clearly, the moment after she discharge her weapons. Cedric. I'm curious to get your point of view on this. Seen at all. You ve led police departments, but an officer in Miami in Rochester in the cab county, the chief of police. There you ve seen a lot, and I think this is an important point for people to understand is its standard protocol to. The taser on the opposite side? Was it standard protocol in the departments? Were you served in the departments you lead? I guess the question is for a lot of people watch this, how

couldn't offs are even in the heat of the moment, given the way the size, the collar. All the differences make that mistake a number of things that go on here and certainly do not want to try to figure out what was going to our mind. But yes, the taser is usually cap on the weak side of bulk of your gun. Belt in your firearm wonder strong side of your right hand. It so far would be, on the right hand, give data beyond the laughing at you. You know the issue is your gas is there's a fear factor here, there's a preconceived notions somehow, and you can't help but feel this Whenever you pull over people of color, then you can go back to the lieutenant the other night. There are when he was porno for military gear, but there's they focus on some some offers. It's not all. Some focusing on

our first, in whatever preconceived notions that we may air consciously and and obviously come to bear because, even if you think about the incident with the loot, when they pull a moment. The light location there they got into it. Be alliums very well, it's hard for us, it's hard for me as we speak earlier moment by being bought a bank that has nothing to do should have nothing to do with the reason why he was in this young man who died. Actually he lives it met, commuted. He jumps in a car because a bad police procedure, quite rightly in ain't. Nothing, you would suffer. Issues on the scene and he jumps in a car. He was gonna, take off and you have to ask yourself: he kept me going into web round corner. He lived in the neighborhood, it's not like he's honestly and go to Mexico is getting

going anywhere. Is there some so so it it? It is getting talker where we're gonna have to start asking ourselves and we all understand the challenges of policing. I certainly do, but we're gonna have to begin to think about how we do things it. We got it to him Therefore, it is not just a trade issue. To be perfectly honest when we evaluate our own selves and ask ourselves or we truly beings by our imbalance. In can we move some of these preconceived notions that we have about people choose me. the based on your gender race, others, sexual orientation or religious preference of whatever. That's that's the problem here and gonna continue to see these types of goods because we can train train people in train people. But that is not the issue

The issue is: what is the spirit of your heart? How do you approach a neighbor, good up, community and people, and certainly folks, were not complying with police need to comply with the problem in many communities of color. When we tell people to comply such as the lieutenant, he did exactly what we train children and family loved ones. To do if you pulled over night, but even when you comply, somehow continues dessert turned south and it continues to involve people of color, and I don't think that being since it took to the fact that is people of color. Look at the data. Look at the report that we see morning after morning after morning, day after day, if you notice their beginning to run a lot closer together better than what we

seen in the past, but they are happening. It is an american issue that we're gonna have to confront. We're gonna have to deal with their thousands of good police officers right out there at this very moment, attempting to do a great job. But it's those individuals come to work. Who may have a different frame of mind about what they like: you don't like it. I get played out on the street is not good for their departments, their city. Are this country we need to make us salvage assessment. All of us do, regardless of who we are. If we're in public service lot agree: police officers that air who put it on a land forests every day, joke rightly and Pensacola right here in this community police officers. But we all agree. This country, those a bus therein public service that provide the welfare of people's safety

gotta make sure we do our self evaluation. This is too for Control Cedric Alexander. Thank you very much. for being on the show this morning and for those words as we ve None of this took place in a vacuum, none of it yesterday was the last full day of testimony and prosecutions case against former police officer Derek showed and it began with a defence motion to sequestered the jury due to pro ass in the wake of while these shooting of Dante Right and nearby Brooklyn Centre, with at least you're. Having ties to the area, the defence argued, the jury could be biased against Jovan Judge, EL denied the motion, the jury than heard from export cardio Jonathan Rich on whether drugs caused Floyd's death and testimony from George Florence brother about them, man, the family, lost.

Peters was like a person than ever around the community? Heat is know how to make people about it being around. He showed us like how to treat our mom in how to respect our mom. He he is love so dearly state with a high degree of medical certainty that George, We did not die from a private cardiac event and he did not die from drug overdose. taken into account. all the evidence that you reviewed Do you have an opinion to reason with grammatical certainty as to whether Mr Voice death was preventable? I believe, Sir George Floyd's death was Absolutely preventable prosecutor

has ended the day with another police use of force. Expert who said chauvinist actions were not reasonable, its clear from the number of officers and MR full position, the faculties handcuffed and has been searched. He doesn't present a threat of harm some design and the false does not present to threaten anyway. No reasonable officer would have believed that that was appropriate, acceptable or reasonable use of force. The state, as expected the rest today and the defence will likely call its first witness. Let's bring in professor in law. Georgian university Paul Butler he's an m NBC Legal analyse just take us through yesterday's day Diane Court. What were the key events the key points made, and how does this fit into the grand scheme of things as we cover these stories all around this union

the trial yesterday. Yet another doktor testify that Mr Floyd die because of children's knee on his neck and not because of a drug overdose or pretext. Heart condition. Yet another police export testify that shouldered cross way. Past why for real about use of force? At this point? If jurors are not persuaded one cause of death and use of force, they never will be. The police said matter expert. Testimony on this issue has been more comprehensive and emphatic. Then any high profile, Kazan Paul, as you say, they serve touched all the notes and in rapid up the case yesterday did the prosecution of the personal with George Floyd's brother. You had the medical the cardiologist saying that the death was absolutely preventable than you had the law in force and expert saying that was not a

vision or a technique that should have been used. That goes along with two and a half weeks of what I think casual observers, but also experts, like yours, Molly was a strong case laid out when you bring in the chief of Minneapolis police when you bring indirect supervisors to our former officer chauvinist saying he violated policy so now beginning today, will hear from the defence. What does the defence do with those two and a half weeks of testimony from the prosecution? Where do they turned the conversation with benefits witness this includes over two hundred names, but the judge told the jury that the defence will probably be done by Thursday. So ugly call relatively few of those witnesses. They'd have to prove anything, including what you, Mr Floyd, all they have to do is to power holes in the government.

case in order to create reasonable doubt they will present expert medical testimony. Their star witness is a very persuasive and powerful witness for jurists so if he can raise reasonable doubt about what actually cause Mr Voice death that provide some hope for the defense. The ball most analyse that event having this trial, certainly in mainstream media, have suggested the prosecution has done just about everything right, I'm curious as, as someone with obviously very train guy in these matters. What was the week as part of the prosecutor, in this case, and if you were running the defence case, you talked about poking holes. getting a reasonable doubt from one jure Where would you look based on

Are you ve seen the prosecutions case and what would you focus on over the next several days if you the defence tame geological defence faces a daunting task The concern is that the prosecution has powerfully demonstrated that Mr Chauvelin violated the criminal law and his these regulations by his use of force and, the medical experts, have been united on the fact that its mister children's knee on voids neck that caused the death, and so the really important question further Thence now is whether officers show good will take the stand. It's the most The decision of MR chauvinist life, often in a case like this, you would not too, on the advice of council,

concern is that you will be destroyed by prosecutor, and cross examination- or that is testimony might open the door to avenue about the many complaints that citizens have made. I get some in the past, but Joe evidence has been so overwhelming by the prosecution that defence I believe it has no choice but to put Mr Chauvelin on this day till they bade Farewell wine, one area again, if you were running the defence team, what what? What focus on over the next several days again it and for those again not familiar, with what's going on, they are as you said, have a poker hole in the case get you're to believe it is reasonable. Doubt get hung Jerry and this again. So why is that every? Is it causation? Do you? Do you bring experts up to suggest it is hot?

was so we Gary was on drugs and and that a reasonable officer, wouldn't believe what he was doing would have killed this man but he can't he Katy was frailer where our or What would it be because your ear ride, the testimony has been brutal against open, and yet the defence still has to put on a case. So what is what is that area that you would focus on that you would try to pull gall and prosecutions case is agreed, question and Joe and I would go for causation. The defence is going to a little down and dirty will see. Video from a previous arrest of Mr Foy we're just like in twenty twenty and twenty nineteen. before the cops get help he consumed drugs and bull here Asked Molly that had twenty nineteen

He told a matter that he had nine percent pills. That day, I get its pudding dont want trial is a little sleazy, but some times it works again. All the defence as to do is to create suggestion in one jurors, my that maybe it was the drugs that kill Mister, Lloyd and now the needs of all Mr Voids net How butler? Thank you very much for your analysis this morning and up Now on the traffic sob and Virginia of second Lieutenant Corona Nazariev. What we told you about yesterday, the Virginia attorney General's office has The Windsor police for personnel records of the two officers involved in the incident and all use of force records for the past ten years, according the Virginian pilot, the angels.

once access to various complaints against the department that involve traffic stops, use of force and treatment, on the basis of race, color and or national origin. The probe comes after Lieutenant Nazario, Sir said the police force, accusing them of violating his civil rights during December and counter the of. The incident was released over the weekend by Nazariev lawyer and went viral sparking internal investigation calls from the governor get out of the car what's going on, just send it out. you will see a brilliant sorry. major of the army yesterday tweeted his support of Lieutenant Nazario Quote

Represented himself and r r may well through his com national response to the situation. I am very proud of him. Willie so Jean Robinson, Lieutenant Nazario had temporary plates tape the inside window of his car. The officers pull them over because they see permanent plates on the car was a new vehicle, but we got a couple of those who know what it's like to be a person of color in these traffic stops when he said, I'm honestly afraid to get out the officer said you should be in case of Dante right when he was getting pulled over their mother, which I thought was very telling when I get pulled over. If I get pulled over for speeding is never once crossed my mind to call my mother. He called his mom, who reminded put his hands and the steering wheel. It's a conversation. We ve talked to you over the last several years with your own children to vary Starck Windows into what it's like inside these vehicles in these moments,

you don't want one them gloom witnesses and a gross mister mcmurphy George for trial, justified to having the open door when the police officers for but their hands on him. You can't win and that's a situation. people driving while black, you can't win, you look Sorry, I did everything right everything. Should him damn near Britain's there, those two officers with their hand and drawn pointed at him who for reasons that He has no mobility, they even comprehend even understand. Why is this about it? Why are black man lemme black man approached, especially in these. These traffic stop situations. With this

level, ten out of doors immediately that that the ethical, the situation, and unfortunately, in the case of Lieutenant Nazario, because he was so calm, and so even that did not end in tragedy, but it could have over. literally nothing over missing plates that more missing, but even of course, if they were missing, who could get point so I fear, could dm visa

closing, including them to envy in Virginia, was called for months and months and months, but that doesn't even apply in this case that that's not even a factor. There was absolutely no reason for the Epp and stopped at the dead, but the office, if could not acknowledge their error right it it's once they start they have to dominate. They have to subdue this black man in Vienna in a way that that humiliate It is you know it's it's an old story, the whole story, It is in this country of four hundred years old, but it's gotta stop, because that is not in a position where this has got to stop a guy's Willie guys here this week on the Sunday sit down podcast I get together with Oscar nominee. Amanda Seifert talk about her claim film, Mank and her career from mean girls to Mama MIA. Yet our conversation now for fur

wherever you download, your pot casts we're going to continue following this and continue this conversation which much needed we want to turn to politics. Now, President Joe Biden hosted in overall his meeting with the girl by partisan lawmakers yesterday to see if they could build any com. my eyes on his two point: three trillion. dollar infrastructure package in comments. For the meeting? The president noted that negotiations may come down to the actual definition of infrastructure prepared to negotiate as to how the extensive infrastructure project as well as how we pay for butter forget, get serious conversation about how to do that and Gary. acknowledges. We need we begin in creation infrastructure. It's gonna get down on what we

infrastructure. Not vigour window dressing, and you have thank you very much help turning us now and busy NEWS Whitehouse correspondent MIKE mentally, so where, where is the opportunity for agreement between the parties, in this Bell monk, while Meeker the gloom, We got of that meeting yesterday and the oval office for republican senators congressmen for democratic centres and Congress. white house. Official stress is just the beginning of many meetings that we're gonna be seeing not just between the president. makers, but with other members of the administration over time. This is not the american Rescue plan, where the president welcomed in a group of repair lookin. There was some back and forth, but then they very quickly made the decision to go it alone, and part of that is because the

President really does want to get Washington back in the habit of having these conversations of trying to forge viper the solutions, especially on an issue infrastructure, which we have heard from besides is a priority, something that needs to be done in this country, but the president is an optimum He believes that there is a chance to maybe get some Republicans on board, maybe with a smaller package. You ve heard him say repeatedly that the copper eyes, is certain the details that he's proposed are not necessarily what's going to be in the final solution, but the president is also a realist, and when you talk to Democrats, officials in the White House, you also hear something which, as he knows, that republic, as many have already drawn a hard line. No tax increases is going to be acceptable to us. As a way of paying for this, and so There is an element of this which is an audience of one. They need to be able to show, to Joe Mansion and some other Democrats there- that every effort to try to win republican support was

exercised here so that if and when they do, need to go and do this? a reconciliation process which only requires democratic votes. He feels that that process was one that bi partisanship was at least effort it, and then, of course there is the politics the White House releasing state by state fact sheets yesterday showing how this package would benefit all fit states and there's a special focus, of course, on states with its Keaton as for some senior Republicans, California and Kentucky guess yeah, you know my God, Roger Wicker after meeting talked about. Have taxes could be part of any day and I'm just wondering if that doesn't apply, to every Republican in the United States Senate. Despite the fact raising corporate taxes from twenty one to twenty five percent are twenty eight percent moving it back to the pre. Tromp numbers might Popular with a good number of of Americans does the White House

back to a single Republican, devote for an infrastructure package that raises taxes on corporations at all you're going to see the White House do everything they can to try to challenge Republicans to come forward with a solution other own if you're not going to support rays taxes on those earning more than four hundred thousand dollars a year, and especially not willing to raise taxes on some of the very corporations that businesses your? Viewing are playing into cancel culture, and I need some sort of funds men as well, then, who is there thing that you are willing to do to help the american people and the President when he was a candidate very often talked about how he was certainly going to do. Everything you can to operate in a viper soon matter and when he was challenged on whether he can work with this republican party. He would say I have no illusions about this. Right is not your father's republican party. He would say you do your best to try bring them to us a common ground, and if you can't get there, then you just go out and beaten

and this is a white house that is very much working with us of optimism here, to try to come to a bipartisan solution? But with twenty twenty two and the awareness of the headwinds president, mid term elections in mind, but knowing that their run, on very safe political ground here? They believe with their proposal. here and there are prepared to use it against Republicans. in the mid term, elections if necessary, this is MIKE member. I thank you very much want to bring in former treasure official morning GEO Economic Analyse, Steve Ratner, who has charts on that spirited parts of the president's infrastructure plan, the corporate tax rate in Steve. If you could explain that for us shortly we ve been talking a lot on the show you ve been talking a lot on the show that, in just a moment ago, about the corporate tax situation, and that is in a piece of work, because there is a lot of pressure to actually pay for some, if not all- of this, and so on,

you can of the vine proposals to raise corporate taxes is Joe said to twenty five or twenty eight, which is the buying proposal. But let's take a look at how that fits into the historical context where corporate tax Ben, and why this why Biden has made this proposal, so we divided the post or period into roughly three periods, and if you go back to the end of world war, two until tax reform, active nineteen. Eighty six corporate taxes word about four three percent, forty three percent tax rate, the eighty six tax rate tax bill drop that down to for thirty five percent, and you can see that middle period, where it sat at thirty five percent. Until the trunk tax cuts known as the Tc J, I dropped it. Twenty one, and then I ve shown you in the dotted line where twenty five would put us as a cop potential compromise, but let's take a look at how the

we're. Tax revenue fits into the federal budget, because this becomes a part of the whole debate about about who should be paying. What, if you get, if you go back This case into the nineteenth sixties. You can see that corporate taxes accounted for about twenty three percent of federal revenue actually a little bit more than what was paid in all taxes and medical care, and things like that that black line the light lighter call line at the top of personal income axes which are basically stayed pretty flattened terms their share, but over these fish, you're sixty years, you can see that the amount paid in peril taxes, the black line, has been going up up up and the amount paid corporate taxes as a share of the federal budget has been down down down, and so as we should Today Corporation, taxes only accounted for seven percent of federal revenue compared to twenty three percent back in the nineteen sixties. So you can then save yourself course. Corporations repaying

fair share, but what's the issue or one of the issues is the fact that we are globally live in a global world and one of the consequences of living in a global world is that companies can do their jobs, and sometimes using selves from one country to another in order to infect game the tax system. So what this chart shows? If you look at the turquoise balls at the top, this is what are the corporate tax rates were in each of these countries back in the year two thousand and the OECD, as you know, is the organization of the world's largest developed country. So that's a kind of average- and you see us next to that- and so everybody was kind of in this mixed. With the exception of Ireland, everybody was pretty much in this mix at relatively high rates, but ensuring twenty years many many countries cut their corporate tax rate. Very substantial You can see where Germany did, for example, you can see in the United Kingdom, and we so sitting up there in that turquoise ball and everybody else was down in

black bars, and so our trump did. What he said, we gotta cut our tax rate to be competitive with the others. We cut down to twenty one percent, and now we're sitting there still higher in some butter, This is in line with the OECD average and that's the problem. JANET. Yelling has announced the programme to go out and try to get all these countries on board for certain minimum taxes, so it doesn't become race to the bottom, which is what it's become Get everybody raise their taxes, but it's port, and that our tax raising of tat of corporate taxes, which are very much in favour of needs to somehow be in concert with the country's so We don't end up? Losing jobs and losing companies as a result of our raising our corporate taxes to reasonable levels. But this is a very important part of the debate, as you said, that is going on in the context of the new information. port infrastructure bill, so Steve, as you point out back and fortune, five hundred companies in this country paid zero affair

thirdly, federal tax rate, including Amazon, made billions of dollars, didn't pay a dime of taxes. Does Joe Biden hoped Do anything about that and how much resistance will he meat from Republicans there? Yes, I would really two parts to this one is the corporate re paid by those who do pay taxes, and we just went through that discussion. On the other side. There are these. Ninety. At the moment, companies that don't pay taxes that is Prince as a result of a whole bunch of other provisions in the trunk tax bill they gave them. Special deductions like a hormone, are being allowed to deduct the costs of this whole improvements. Things like that that allowed them to fact eliminate their tax bills. There are many private for Joe Biden, corporate tax proposal that would have many of those change as well to get those companies to start paying taxes and he's all proposed certain kinds of minimum taxes that companies will have to pay. Some of these other deductions and things

he is very much trying to close the loopholes and get companies to pay their fair share, Steep Ratner Thank you very much for all those explanations. Still I had on morning Joe the washed imposts Karen Tumulty says with her new law get one of the most influential first Ladys of Modern America plus form our house Baker, John Vainer, is our guest this morning you're watching morning. Job will be right back.

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coming from a different direction? That was, Ronald Nancy Reagan back in nineteen. Eighty five at the start of the fortieth president's second term in face and, while Nancy laughed, when asked about her influence on the president, our next guest writes about times. The late first lady had to step in to help the administration now, as columnist for the Washington Post Karen Tumulty she's, the author of the new book out today entitled the triumph of and see reg. So, Karen, you are a very courageous writer. The main aim of the mere Nay Mangi Reagan rigorously, for it is just like. I saw doc married blamed, Ronald I get in Mamsie Reagan. For everything, the trading Muky beds to allay to chicken weighed in and

peoples by? I mean everything that their triggered, so I've been seeing we're going after you on twitter, and you, like, you really should, if that read the book at least three little they history, but I I remember after Reagan got elected at Nancy. Reagan was turned a one dimensional character by your critics from the start? Why, that's right and thinking so much for for having me I'll do you know she was really complicated and No, quite frankly, I don't think she really wanted people to understand her but she was really portrayed as this kind of In addition, all pre feminist throwback entry, near she brought a lot of problems on her search buying. It Hence if China redecorating the White House in the middle of the worst recession since the great depression, I don't fly

it's from any of that in the book, but he was just an essential partner to run. Reagan in part, because what people dont understand about Reagan, is that is affable as he was a genial is he was as gifted as he was connecting with the american public He was really a solitary figure. He like people, he didn't need them close to exactly one person, in the world and he married her, and it was near right and he really takes on the sort of tougher parts of politics. D the interpersonal conflict conflict when when somebody had to go because they were serving husband. Well, she usually the one to know at first and want to make it happen, as James Baker told me her

Political instincts were were actually better than her. Husbands were and she wasn't afraid, even though she seemed a mere on the camera. One asked she wasn't afraid to stay on him. I remember back window. Reagan got fired and Nancy staying for him, so much did what Reagan yelled. Cut. Her kid involved is back in a bit. Harsher terminology actually made the papers back then, which was a rarity by Patsy at her way and Don Regan laughed. She also to people in her husbands, it were smart enough to know. Maybe there are? Certainly James Baker did George Schulz Dead and one of them things that she wanted to see me watching. Did you see her husband go down in history as a peacemaker not have warmonger this? Is she

stood that it was possible that he then, along with his, war rhetoric his anti communist posture, there was an idealist and that people lived in a world. without nuclear weapons, and he also believed in his ears, ladys as a negotiator. This was thing that you know a lot of the people the hawkish people on securing team resisted. They thought they could never be working relationship with Moscow, but she's sit up so that George shots gets the president alone one night, and that is the moment. Wear shorts begins to realise this. Guy is dying to have Opening with Moscow he asked realises, as he just ass George Shots told me anybody with it me brains, would make a friend of the first lady there there's a there's a moment in here you where right, after Ronald Reagan, gave his evil empire speech. There's a man,

many here where you describe how Nancy Reagan is leaning on him and bore rating for using such intemperate, language, Stew, Spencer, of course, along time aid. Is there. so Reagan turns and ask Stew Spencer if he agrees with with Nancy, and he begins to yes, Sir cut off by Ronald Reagan, because Reagan saw the dead Stew Spencer. To was going to say yes or no evil empire, but your language was intemperate and you have wonderful gromyko, moment, explain that to our viewers, if you will I was the soviet Foreign Minister really tough character known as Graham Barometer, MR yet, and he is invited to the White House and if he has the highest soviet official to that data received in the red and White House,

and so she tells nancy- he says why, don't you come around for the reception so gloomy Caesar in their immediately she starts for with em cause. She was a world class fleur and at some point It will make us as why is it so hard to get your husband to the negotiating table? Why not? whisper peace in his ear at night. and Nancy Reagan grab him by his shoulders and Sir pulse him down, and she says I will in a whisper it in your ear to peace and He is just completely taken aback and afterward George Shots tells Nancy you just you, one the cold WAR and Nancy, She also steps in at the moment. When her husband's presidency is in its greatest Harold. and I really think the heart of the book is the in contrast, scandal we're needs

Reagan quite literally runs the rescue efforts, including shaking up the White House staff getting down Regan fire, but also Ginseng, her husband, her very stubborn husband, He is going to have to admit to the country and admit Who himself that he has traded arms to IRAN in exchange for the release of U S, hostages, something that he had promised, he would never do and something that was against policy and how she does that and the people she comes. She literally sneaks people, and tourists, so my secret? How between the Treasury building and in the east wing, should come up and make them hey, stop her husband, the eternal as you are in some serious trouble here potential legal trouble and you're gonna have to make an admission that you don't want to make is right.

was not the only time when Nancy Reagan saw the danger. Her husband was in more than he saw it and pick the speech writer for that speech and convince them, as you say, to admit to a mistake on there's another. Ass. A piece of the book obviously present in the regular administration has been criticized for ignoring for too long. The AIDS crisis of the nineteen eighties and it was Anti Reagan who finally nudged him with a little help from Liz Taylor to confront the crisis, This is not to excuse anything d, be big, place and see the neglect of the region, ministration tee. The aids epidemic will go down and will remain one of the deepest scars on its legacy, but one again Nancy Reagan before her husband gets a sense of what going on. She her husband and her son wrong start trying to sort of talk to Reagan about this get you know, get him

understand what is going on and finally, He decides the belated that he has got. Finally, in nineteen eighties, give a speech on this and at that point the cost critics in the White House. Don't see. Aids is a health crisis. They see it as a moral right since, as you know, is salt, because they believe homosexuality is, is assessed. And an assault on nature, happy cannon at one point with the White House Communications director- and he said: oh, the poor homosexuals, a face, sinned against nature. Now nature is this. Looking back so Nancy not only gets into give the speech. She woke whet the West Wing touched the speech she goes out, gets her own speechwriter random part, then, for the first this time. The president actually sit down with his surgeon general ever cook, to discuss, let's now by them

the conservatives in the White House to figure out what's going on and they are are sort of way being a counter assault, and I really, you have just going through this speech. Writing records ending in the Reagan library on all of this was just a revelation of the battles that we're going inside the White House and even inside the Reagan family over bets drowned, pay Could you you mention RON Reagan along with Nancy and end the shirt I doing was Showtime documentary Reg There were many Reagan supporters who thought that right- Craig and at times seemed like a hostile witness against his father actually having lunch one time with

Nancy Reagan and it was obvious how much she loved her son talked about her daughter a great deal, but there was that special the bond between mother and son, at least from my observation, worries about that relationship and and and and how that played into most of Ronald Reagan's distant relationships with with his children, and- and this is going to say this is flawed- biographers Ronald Reagan is, is still remains, impenetrable to me, biographers and pour, men Morris and others just have not been able to figure. This man out, who could be beloved by millions but seem detached from our children, will tell me about that.

Relationship did Nancy ever try to play, go tween between that children. And Reagan and sort of narrow, that even I'm having trouble trying to figure out who say this narrowed emotional gap that seem do exist with a man who seem so affable and lovely well, I think that this deep dysfunctional family was distorted the collateral damage of the great love story. It was the Reagan stay were they were bound so closely together as Paddy then says in her eulogy for her mother at a funeral. It were bound so closely together. We're all they need it. There was really no room for anyone. else? and so all of these more children, and they have all hold their own stories, that their sort of all

on the outside of their parents mirrored interesting. Lay the wrong was the favourite and I, in my interviews with him, tell him incredibly insightful about both of his parents he traced, is a lot of his mother's character, her weariness, her HANS state of anxiety to the fact that when she was a child, she was and for six years by her actress mother, who just leaves her with relatives, leaves this fear lonely the little girl you know yearning for her mother. And, as Robin told me any really bears out in the research disk, a shadow on me Reagan spirit than never really quite less she's, always treated that no matter how good things you're going life is a trap door. Everything concerned

The bottom could fall out at any moment, and then that seems to be confirmed two months into her husband's presidency. When she most loses here. He comes very close to death after the assassination attempt and that I've been there after I really try to go through what TAT Day was like with the reader almost minute by minute, because it explain some of them. This is our things that she subsequently does, including to an astrologer to to determine the comings and goings on of the most powerful man in the world. It doesn't make sense, but if you sustainable, even if it's not sensible, if you understand sort of her character, the fact that reagan- had a religious faith to fall back on that she really didn't at that point, and she was just desperate for anything that

give her a sense of any kind of control. Will right. The new book is the trial, of Manzi Reagan. Karen totally. Thank you so much and meagre I remember at at Nancy Reagan's funeral being so moved and impressed by the strength of those children who, wonders died, you understood it had been I'm a very rough ride, because Ronald Adze Reagan were I mean they or a singular unit and and at times as is, as we heard right there, and at times it was even hard for them dependent right that inner circle, but I was, I was really moved by how beautiful

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