« My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

238 - Lady Suit

2020-09-03 | 🔗

Karen and Georgia cover the Ayahuasca murders and the Beast of Gévaudan.

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Eighty suit, with black and shoulder paths, and a brief case being like a professional working women. Those countries did you ever White Reebok High tops on Google walk to work in with my pumps. In my bag hell yeah yeah, maybe I just flushed working girl one too many times. I mean it's great fail on it as a great film. If I am Cigani Weaver, just hitting threes all through the eighty. If you can but everything she did this three good. Don't you want to five or ten? Well, increases, if, because about gotta gotta get it lets me did the lay up that's right, but I was arrested for God, outside outside lame. I don't actually follow basketball. I respect it. Trees are over, but No, but you should introduce me so I introduced United. Oh that's caring, Caldera added. No, you don't think Le Baron are doing is huge.
Screwball nerd over here I did see, and you did too James Harden, whose from Houston Rockets member he had a beard and we saw him at the daily girl in the bar it was like street two years in arrears: Jaeger. In the weirdest plays in the least liberty, here. It's maxillary airport, which is just like nonsense, commuter commuters, central and that, unlike the middle of the day in a fuckin daily girl, which is like weird and awkward, he had a great outfit on now, yeah, high school and that's it
That was why I like to do the thing where I am not a fan of celebrities are stars or athletes whatever until I see them in real life, and then I began to follow their careers, then I'm like well. You came into my life re or for now air about your now. I care about you because we're friends, because we see each other and really I got that yeah. That's that's! Take the thank you somebody what's going on with you at sea the family came down to escape dinner. To talk, but ass. He had escaped the other smoke and northern California, so that was actually nice cause I'd real people in my house, and you know it action and like I contact and all those things that leg give you what either, Open inheritors, sir. Her tone, observer, yeah yeah dopamine. I was nice yeah, I'd icon, pack, there's no there's no substitution for it. Yeah I mean I like you.
Dogs. But there's you know their displeasing here for you like we are you gonna pay you back to see me as our ears staring at me and I always love it. When my dad comes down cause. We fight. Really loud and Cassius hard of hearing. It always makes it sound like we're really mad at each other, but it's just that you're trying to like a simple point across ass loudly ass, you can you know that my dad came over, so we hung out with you in your family and your dad cause your dad loves my husband and so then lightly and love. I saw I might add on Sunday and I I told him that what we did not care in in our lives, and some lavish talkin to it in our Didn and my dad goes well like him for other reasons like he got jealous, I will I'll events to Almighty Primordial ISM, Jim's relationship
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my favorite murder dot com. It go to the store and though chip in three weeks, yeah well, what's Have you been watching anything lately? Well, I watch any The vow is my Oh, my God session obsession what Ok, I'm angry that I can't Benjamin free time. It ends I get mad, it so frustrating but the it's so incredible that one of the people that it happened to was also a third. Maker and documents here, young orderly, you cause. I was sitting there going are reenactments. What is this and he had a real time all conversation cravings having, if you all now we're talking about the vow on HBO, and it's about the next M colts the like that too, into the sex called, and this whole time this documentary film maker, the guy who made what the bleak do we know. What I tell you forgot about to that was exactly the sensation. Was there as they are figuring out. It's a cult, and so it's
documented his wife. Is it so amazing an enemy cool, because when she's first arts talking about it, it's like shit. You know this is gonna taking over a line and part of lake it talks about this last time, but you get it because part of what this whole programme is it starts out is like, if you're a business person that wants to get better results in your business over and then but then it's like. But then you have to free yourself up in these ways, and you see how it's it's such a slow and very, like impact full lead in where it's like, but you're bettering yourself as a person motive challenging yourself and your arguments and no one's ever done before. This is a radical and, of course, or families uninteresting, because our still stuck in very ego and- and then I, and she words like you. Ve spent two years and thousands of dollars in this programme and they tell and yours expecting something and then they set. Will it's gonna be another year you're, not going
quit it you're, gonna kill you eat, rarely invested so much you just keep going and going and suddenly well and also you're, not gonna, quit it because they tell you the reason you want to quit. It is because these negative impulses that you need to control and you need to stop wanting to be comfortable all the time things that they start setting up are these things that are basically making there there's no exit years, no exit because of you exit that is actual you're playing right into the storyline ass. Here's, how you're a failure and then the sleep deprivation part which is part of a court, we're like what aid. What do they mean years running around? Like no, you, you need to be a busy functioning person, so you only sleep from eleven p m to five ay and, like your slayer, that's like six hours. Most people are fine weather, but I think it's shorter, because there is not one night where it was like first Lolonois midnight Alibaba anytime, you as a conversation with someone bigger walking around at one thirty labelling, and
The wife that leads first looks it up and looks at what mind control and it's just step after step of exactly how mind control were totally is just like it. It's so fascinating the way he tries to mark when you I mean these are all spoilers. I guess we should assess the beginning. I think work more known for and call me they're all its. It's just the fact that you can hear the rationalization on the phone, so you actually know how this happens real time? Why it so believable? Why people can't process it because it's like no, it's this guy. Good friend you're, not friends, with anybody really ray and he's as brilliant person, who's been able to figure stuck out an he's up. Incredible speaker he's an incredible he's. Very convincing that elite The call later right, other I have to say if you did work told multiple times as they seem to be in this group and he had the highest iq in the world right now.
These? The most compelling speaker, I've ever seen? I dont know if it there's a lot of their their re, a lot of circles, a lot, a circle, the delays of lake, but he's the smartest person in the world, the Apple fuckin. They love IKEA Shit and then they desire those people to like them and think of air smart rake. That. Must that such a valid house inwards, it's like you, have a wife is lying about re artist, personal hooray when he sat down. Never when he's like always to be this concert pianist as a child and a savant and all that he sits down and starts playing like basically a super slowed down version of heart and soul, or just like I used to play this in your eye like such a higher level of fuckin piano, and he looks like John Tashin- is about it, and if you don't have that hair that a full manly maim? Do you think I don't know he had said something about a big. He gets away with a lot more. He gets away with so much went to his volleyball. Outfit is love. My
me and I don't ever want to see a guy, it's out of the house and Fuckin sports shorts vital and I own island sport shorts. Now he would he wore his knee pads around like before the game. I mean, there's some nerd stuff out, then absolutely I am so grateful that there's so much visual. There's so much like actual footage videos they make that are like to show people who are thinking. Not coming in the leg joyous running through the feel of video, its so called D. I loved yes and there so many actor types in their there's that actor energy. That reminds me of every fuckin, acting class. I've ever taken and hated. Where I'm like you. I wanted to learn to act. I am not here to likes. I can't even explain it. It's kind of like acute content sooner numerous joint guy. It's join the call that acting thing where you almost feel like you, you are. You have Joint join us, be one of us yeah,
You can't be cynical, fuckin asshole, knowing empty like arms crossed. I'm not I'm not sure about their ahead. Thing is like so render. Whatever, which is like that, aspire to a point, but if you're not into like working with groups which I'm fuckin not leave me alone- yeah you're, not gonna, you're, not you're not going to like this cult next year. You're not supposed to be here now, I want to join us, go away the correct, a correction issue: correction. He from last week Ok, so remember I was talking about fight, fly again, freeze, freeze or fine, and I was saying how I found a lie and I was talking about a shit on it because I like to touch on myself and I am there and I you know, I can't I can't. Possibly be nice to myself and gentle. So this person named Brody Marshmallow wrote to end said to me. I will
The offer and gentle challenge to the description of the PTSD Fawn risk ants in this episode, while funding definitely include flattery and disingenuous behaviour that can damage relationships. It's a lot more than that people who fond PTSD learned, a constantly learn a consistent he put others needs ahead of their own often d, J during a fact: can look having sex when you don't want to, I m going to extreme lengths to please and rejecting or cruel caregiver in order to secure safety or basic care, forgetting yourself and your AIDS entirely, because your brain has taught you the only way to survive is to become what others want you to be and there is the person who kind of cream The fawn response definition is Peter Walker, so I thought that was interesting. Now, yes,
Other people do fawning differently like it's not like you weren't. I know I'm not sure what the point is. That point was to give yourself a break that you're that people who use all of these tools are using them, as they worked during a time when they need them and a lot of us are still using those tools, even though we don't need them any more and at worst, dice were in different situations than we were as kids when we when we utilised those toys and I think a lot of it like a lot of my therapy, is not utilizing the analysis tools anymore and I like that- I felt like it was correcting me in a way that was like giving myself a little your kindness, you're, not an asshole you're, not the you know, I'm not being manipulated by telling you your hair looks good. What I'm doing is old old. All of them. An old way to make my life and myself feel better and that's ok, sure
but I think I also I dont think there is anything wrong with you. Looking at the behaviour- because you know As the person who received that behaviour it was with it. It was the kind of thing word. That's a new, that's what you were doing as we are about to have a difficult conversation, so yeah, if that, if that and now what's this makes you not do stuff like that anymore. So because you get to update yourself and know that you're in now and a forty year old woman who is complete Leon Charge of own life. Then good! That's great! you know I mean I'd. Be analysis is going to whatever helps you do the things less that make. You feel bad is the point of all of it and the thing my therapist always talks about is how the those voices inside of us, the coping mechanism, voices and the critics and that the ones that are true,
keep us safe by saying, shut up sit down. You don't know what you're talking about they dont know. Time has passed, they have no concept of time, so one those feelings come up, they don't go This is from nineteen eighty three, where air like they like we I just talked to her my therapist about a thing that, with similar where I was about to go, do something at Miss making me really nervous, normally stress and I kept like make. You mean excuses. I go I'll, be fine, it won't work out and I'll be fine, and then she was like the the such telling. You that is trying- Keep you safe and free from disappointment and you're tired of being disappointed. Now, so that's a that's, that's protective, but but what then voice doesn't understand, you're not going you're, not leaving your house and going back to ninety ninety five year and they don't understand that, because time is not a part of that
thinking at night and also your an adult now who can deal with disappointment and indecent? You understand disappointments apart of life and it's not at the fuckin end of the world like I've. Wise when you were younger, be evident The voices aren't aware of the other pieces of you that have grown and learned and change. So they just kind of like it's, like its veto, different ages of you running up to the MIKE and like taking taking the spotlight and then you thoroughgoing. Oh, I guess this is how it is, and then you have to train yourself to have then the modern version of Hugo. Thank you. Or that warning. I know that you're trying to be nice and protect me, I'm all good, this will be new. This will be different. Now this isn't the same. We don't just keep things. Aren't always exactly the same pattern. Over and over Europe living a brand new life in all these Skinner, with all these different combinations. I just think that, like sometimes, I think people liked find a hole and go here's what you're missing yeah. I didn't you
Look you're missing anything conversation you now here I feel it goes like you going you. I felt like being political is not the same as being mean dear so yeah yeah, being able to go. That didn't make me feel good. That's why you felt like where you want to tell me that what Why did I do that? In ITALY? I cause your human being. We all do weird shit when we feel threatened and when we feel like something my he taken away and like we, we will do it until the day we die cause, that's how people are set up right and everyone does it. It's not just you and You know it's really makes me think of that is listening to again this actually happening where everybody thinks we're the ones I have had the horrible thing happen. Orderly lived through the like extreme thing. That's why I think, I'm so obsessed with tee we'll telling their stories like on that podcast or on radio rental, where I Listen to that go! Oh well! I have no idea what like that so far,
because I like listening to it, because so they have that on the whole thing of like big t, traumas and little tea trauma or it's like big heat traumas is going to war at having apparent get ill. It's you know, sexual assault, its is immense that are horrible and dramatic and of course they are and the little t. Traumas are the people who say well. My life was in that I, like the little things that you can't point out and be like that's seed. That's why I'm trauma have trauma. It's a little things, so I think from me I having little tea traumas and not feeling worthy of them, listening too big to tee traumas and seeing that a lot their reactions in a lot of the ways they cope with them are the same fuckin way that people with little tea dramas? Do you like? I dont, have a big t trauma but fascinated with people who fucking survive, big teeth dramas fabs, lately now, and I would say that in our own individual lives.
Or tea is your size. It's not it's a thing. It's not a thing to compared. Others has yes that's true. There is a solid that we taken all banding together and going have you been through shit and you feel fucked up about me too, and it's not about you know it's like whose plane crash is the biggest it does it. We don't have to do that to ourselves or each other We can hear those stories and have that empathy to go that place where whether it was because I got so many tickets that I knew I was my dad was going to tell me that you now, though, this isn't that sound example a trauma, but I'm trying to think of like when I had problems in life that I was like. I'm done this is it or say when I flunked out of college, I fucked up like seventeen things neuro I kept. Pushing it to decide not taking care of it and by the time the really bad thing happened.
I was completely responsible for it blamed myself for it and did the thing of- and this is the least of most people's worry. So it's not even a rail which I think is very damaging when you're going through Russia, your shit as your shit, you can't it's not less because other peoples is more eyes it what it is you now totally. I guess That was my point. To dismiss obviously that person as it they're talking about and just wanted to give like kindness, he added, which is lovely but then there's so that thing of lake- I don't know it's good I think it's good to be like to clean now you're clean up the things you don't like doing too to chase those things in Congo. Yeah If I get into that moment again, do I have to go to them. Play right right, give yours like a little bit of space to go now, I don't mean to no one. A threatened me. I'm not there's not a truck rushing toward our yet you're safe. I saved your said. Yes,
Then you can handle shit. I think so much of therapy is like figuring out figuring out you're safe now, yeah, I think its fascinating. That party or brain don't understand, time haggling. That is like the key to so many I mean time is a human construct. It's not like our brains were suddenly like twelve, aimed at twelve p m is now a like our brains didn't adapt. I mean they adapted, but that's not it still not brain. Surgeons. Are they? Can you shut up they don't know. No one knows any one about the brain, that's it. I learned when I got epilepsy they're just like sorry, unless we do brain surgery, we don't know what's wrong with you because we're worshipping you guys. We talk about not a brain surgeon, yoga,
don't know, but any rule it. We're gonna, give Stephen Brain surgery right now on the black ass the day they take up your skull, got there those of your skull. That's our new segment second, an therapy. If it helps you great if you're confused, throw it all away, is our answer. We do take what you want out of it and swallow arrests. So I guess I asked Jus isn't in that faking conversational way, so that I could tell you what I have been watching ray because a long conversation about the vat. Now you go out and which is to say God, if we, only watch the entire vow and talk about it for seven hours, because it is real. Tv patriarch care with the times we want to bench
but it also makes me go when I watch those things I get worried like. I think you, it is a miracle. I didn't joint caught. It's a miracle hunters may act as a early years, early Adele Ears or Georgia could have just later to aid and all those a certain kind of like I'm lost. Someone tell me and lung areas like. Oh, I just like the bans, the skylight yeah stead of full, on, like I just signed up for the whole thing taken classes you can't afford, and then, after the classes like six weeks, then you are, take ten more class like improv the cult of emperor out. I think I ever, I think, like we're lucky that we have and had a pretty high level of scepticism in my especially in men, so like you, the men who would be the ones who in fuckin indoctrinate you where I get away from me with your fuckin tee,
or wherever an interesting idea. Bearings and negotiate a nose ring materially, but then Then, if we're gonna say that, then let's thank that inner critic, and that was so mean to us, but was also mean to everybody hours Thank you. Thank you for not trusting people you're right. That Dern, though you are right not to dress me or have a job of seventeen year old Karen who thought you know it all turns out. She did it turns out. She just did a lot of damage along the way, sir, you went locked the front door. Thank you, but on the way, shipped every wall you knocked over every bays. She was testing her, so you test your parents love. We, like you still owe me now do still have me now
like using them to yourself like this. It is a good life now distilled the good life now it's like. Are you gonna start loving me now have never? Could you love me and you forgive me finally eyes stumbled upon a show. And it was one of those ones where it started, because the show I was binging ended and so that it started, and I was, cannot pay attention at the UN and its cause. Before a nurse its shot in Oslo, before Wonderingly Laszlo puzzler we played and it is I'll just tell you this. So there's no boilers, it's mine, they are low. And there's an event one night all these. Lights go on in the ocean and then people from the stone Age, Viking era and the I guess, Earl The eighteen hundreds appear only ocean hearing your ten. They had at rest, the new Berlin TED
I think you must read the level, but I thought I thought the new building tat was called be foreigners than adventure in the slogan weight. So they answer that was the, so they all show up in the ocean in the ocean and they get rescued out. And then there like these people were. So there's one guys a cop, obviously in our and he shows up in its day rescue. These people are reaction and they're just for a stone age. Family, that's like screaming and panicking. They dont know where they are, and then it cuts to three years later. Where this event, as happened over and over again and all of modern day, Ozma, was filled with either stone age, people vikings or like it turn of the century. Eighteen hundred people or just kind of trying to live and adapt lack its core fascinating. It's really good and then a liking. Woman goes to she. Basically, it shows up and then end up going to
school and becomes a police detective. So if it's the detective, you me in the beginning, that's there for the first person. I then, three years later, his new partner is this. This just as great as it a cartoon. It sounds like it should be a now. It's kinda I just kept watching it and it's really funny entirely well written, ok, there's a scene in the second episode where the Viking woman detective finds her friend who was of the another female but liking, and they get it shifts. The friend doses Burke own now with mushrooms and they walk around the city like tripping out and screaming, and they come upon a church and they start they could start screaming at what they call white Jesus, they got very is again that way to achieve this, and they start saying like we're shield, where the shields women of Odin and we lasted longer than you are selling it. It's written. It's also for HBO Europe. So it's like an angel
it was theories but produced over there. It's great it's great. I love it that sounds awesome in a similar like theme, the the Joe Action or them the movie the Documentary Action Park. It's not like that, dying for you to watch it. It's this fuckin its dislike it's a documentary about this, like nine in eighty home fuck smile, New Jersey, water park where people just died all and yet in terribly injured, and you guys, we especially younger people, are always like. It was so Oh no one gave a shit about children in the seventies and eighties realities watch action park because it just its
Zack, that's exactly what life? Why is he went at? You might get hurt or maimed, because some adult didn't a thing poorly. It's your own fault band. We you're telling me about it. The other night and my mind was blown as I've always heard. People friends of mine who grew up in New York in New Jersey who know about loot, would tell me about action park, but I assumed it was just a real theme park that it had a couple. Bad arrives, The whole thing was built by a guy who was not qualified, not announce. He wasn't an engineer. The people who came up with the ideas and built them weren't engineers at the people who man the rides where these, like stoner fifteen sixteen year old, high school kids. You know super super of the era. It's it's pretty I mean, but but I should He left kids die right did they die. I think signing gets it out, but yes, it is it a series or a one off its Assyria. I mean it's, it's a one off. Ok, I think it's a Knook Alex it's great.
To watch a movie like this, I always do like you know, death said Disneyland or deaths. Outlying countries. Safari like this is this is right, yeah, that I don't know how I never found it, but it's that's perfect, yeah itself that yeah. I couldn't believe it is an economy think of in big bear in the summer day let people there. Have you ever seen those there like cement like it'll almost like what you would have a water park, but there may be one of my turn a sailor going down a slide, but it's made of cement, letting you go down sitting on this thing. That has a break, but it can. It doesn't work that well and that's like that's like a ride and big bear that you can do during the summer when there's no snow senselessly, just like, and so in the winter, just Rowan rash waiting to happen. If it's it's like it's, not a good idea, it just like hey. If you can't do tubing, Is it summertime you shut down here
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Ok, you have. This is the a wise converters. No, yes, are you want I'll ask a right now. I just wanted to ask, as I know that you are now and I'll, ask attics YO actually Joan exactions urine, I ask you and you are the snake, factual and by the way I dont want to do it anymore. Everyone message me all these different things and I am after like fucking, searching mess. I think I'm good, maybe Ketamine lets him also workers, but we're still gonna throw out half baked ideas has pod stuck on young people, psychedelic, where I rags. So I would like to thank on Instagram Katy underscore Daisy for one nine, as the one you told me about this Insane story and I got it. Not a great insight. Fran, there's a great article in men's journal by Matthew Brenner theirs. Guardian article by Dan Collins, CBC News article by Scott Anderson, a vice
the call by Allison Tyranny, and then the click show unwell does a whole episode about. I Alaska may lightly touch on this and that I love that China so guides it's real if you haven't seen the Netflix years, did we already talk about it unwise, Zena? I haven't seen it before us and are now get ya. I started it because someone was like you have to watch the one on the essential oils pyramid scheme. I had no idea his eyes. I left Facebook, unlike twenty eleven, all my oh, I had no idea this cut these high jinx that were happening to end its it's such a bummer. The first season of the pot cast the dream is all about pyramid schemes and it mine blowing? So and then there's this like an hour. Its canadian podcast called from embers, and they enter view back in an hour.
Just Canadians yeah, it's rads support your local anarchist, everyone, its weight, but just picture costs. Canadians are so polite. Looking at lake there live animals gave me. I disagree, that's right! I'm an anarchic, I'm lighting, this spire place on fire. Now now everyone cosy up. While I disagree virulently with you and they interview this author and Kevin Tucker, who wrote this book about it now I get to that later. So, let's get in here, did you listen to the anarchy Spargo? How is it it's good, from embryos check it out. It's cool, it's like for a member. I love anarchists, are like the same: Satanist sick, just fuckin you're, doing something different, and your challenging the status quo yen, whether or not absolutely wholeheartedly in your message. I don't fucking care its awesome that you're actually trying you now, if you like,
because every time were, anarchists, must feel really good about the decisions they made in there and their kind of like the processes, its twenty twenty eight, where it's like, I told you they told you deserve a big. I told you, so I really do high five. You were right about the government. You are right about the military does less affected, all of it. Every thing happening, so about an hour flight from Lemme Peru and to the North EAST of the Andes. Mountains is the regional capital of per it's a by sound good right, I'm gonna try my best to get these pronunciations right. The bustling city, with almost a quarter million residents and it sits on the Calais Ye River in the middle of the rain forest. The area is home to a number of indigenous peoples who have lived in the rain forest and thrive for centuries and have a deep spiritual knowledge of plants, and Herbal remedies that the rain forest holes in it
you, the rain forest as its living thing deserving of respect. So I Alaska is an example of this. It's a psychoactive brew made from Lee if the Czech arena- and that contains the psychedelic substance damn tee. So this is Obviously, a very basic description if you want to learn more about it, there's a lot of smart people talking about it. I am one of them while this ingredients, this ingredient is highly psychedelic. This is so interesting, but it gets rapidly broken down by the enzymes and our liver and gastro intestinal tract. So, even if we take it humans in nothing happened even though it is psychedelic, so It wouldn't cause any psychedelic reactions but lack an ancient amazonian tribes with Our modern science were able to figure out that, when its combined with a totally different plant, they were able to figure this out. Combined with something with email inhibitors. In this case.
The stocks of the ILO Oscar vine. It shut off those enzymes and allows the damn tee to enter the system and, and these two plants they form a powerful psychedelic through that affects the central nervous system leading to altered state of consciousness that can include hallucinations out of body exe, parents, as an euphoria I mean it does, surprise me that they figure this out, because there are also the ones that made. You know like much PETE you where the stones are so close together. You can't slight a credit card in between radio. These people had I think we're getting dumber for sure, there's a very good chance. Those people were like if you like, like you. If you like a nice high, Keith, Granary, IQ, I bet you back. Then there were way fucking smarter than we aren't right and even today and seen the colonial fuckin the colonial data. That was that the second Europeans came over and were like you're not using this incredible rain forest for anything, so we're going to remove the whole thing and use it for rubber plants and are bold
yet not understanding the deep connection to these plants that these people had. Had for centuries and actually there's a really good book. So it says that I ask that can help treat addiction and depression, post, traumatic stress and other mental disorders, but there's all studies show it can exacerbate. Pre existing mental illness such as bipolar Especial if it's mixed with somewhat Nestor some western medicines- and I got a lotta messages from people that we're like, if you're on, assess our eyes, you should not take I Oscar because it all just fuck you up young did you know The blue is used for spiritual and religious purposes by ancient amazonian tribes, but since at least the nineteen sixties, tourist seven coming from North America and Europe to participate in the traditional Sherman lead? I ask a ceremonies.
And it takes years and years to become a showman and so much study. It requires patience and a deep knowledge of plants and urban remedies. It's often passed down through a family and the role of the Schuman and I ask a ceremony- is imperative, and I ask her wrist rituals were declared part of peruse national heritage in two thousand, and eight, I think, is an trusting and through the ceremony, the Shopman or current Darrow recites he these, beautiful healing chance, she's like high high pitched songs and chancellor just you know, really their mind, blowing the gorgeous, and it said that through those chance called the there chance or called that. I care, o and and through those they can channel medicinal spirits. So the drug trip can last three to four hours and participants, Lamb, mats in the dark and they fall into like a dream like state and the,
whole time. You know, Charmaine is there with the singing the ants and there's legs. This tobacco smoke, let's blonde throughout the room and they help people cause they're, vomiting and stuff like we talked about, and people have taken, I ask say the visions can be intense and life altering calling a pass. Traumas buried deep in the subconscious. So past decade or so hundreds of Eu Oscar retreats, have popped up. Please, sing to cure you now all kinds of things while providing this also on a mind, ex expanding experience and many are run by North american and european, experts who come to Peru, running to open their own little. Retreats and the most profitable retreat are in Iquitos, Peru, its, which is the largest jungle city. It brings in nearly six million dollars annually, woe it
So many people are looking for an answer and for healing and for something- actually work for them in a wholly yeah, experiences. Tough and I hope that our answers out therein yeah maybe there are limits, I guess as much as twenty seven hundred dollars for a week stay. So supporters The drug claim that the I ask a boom has helped provide triple communities and brought much needed income to poor indigenous communities that many of the people in these communities see these. I Alaska tourists, as are known as just an their wave of colonialists, exploiting the rain forest and the indigenous people who live there for their gain, and they are arguing Their use of eyewash is cultural appropriation and profiteering. So why and such I ask a tourist, was a thirty seven year old man from Vancouver Island, Canada, name, Sebastian Woodruff, so Sebastian ok, first of all
can he looked straight up like he could be contested on the bachelor. Like that's what it looks like allow he's got, but now chisel job, five o clock shadow dark eyes. Just total bachelor, contestant mocha, he's a bit of an aimless free spirit. He is not interested in conventional alive and the normal rat race shit like consumerism, materialism, you call him a canadian amber anarchists couldn't be, one could possibly called and what, if it turns out, all Canadians are an our guests and we just have an engine, and there like dont come over here. Select, let's be really nice, so they think that were not as good so it seems like it seems to me like he was a little lost in life kind of a drifter You know the like. I don't want to. I don't wanna, have a conventional job and a conventional life.
But I am also not really sure what to do with my life. I don't know how much of a purpose it seems like. But he does Le Maire, yeah right. He does love nature. He likes climbing mountains bear and getting lost in their words and that sort of thing he drew between jobs, who does construction tree planting sea urchin, diving towns, awesome, yeah and the guys on the work work with him call him sea bass because he was distant and always wrapped up in his own world. John. It no seen ass were like that see about are not the Narcissus courtesy. You know how sea bass are you It's me me me with a sea bass, aren't any catch number, so he had a son in his early thirties, but the relationship with the kids mom didn't work out, but they state friends and Sebastian does have a big heart. It see and will give you the shirt off his back. Everyone says you know every
his friend? He teaches his see still closer. This teaches us on how to swim in the valley. Rivers. Try them. Let's move to Vancouver Island. Oh yeah, it's gorgeous up there and a teacher. His son had a forged for mushrooms and the forest. You now that sort of thing, yeah, he probably is like a name is a nature guy. You do not want a conventional life because he actually is really of he's of, nature and he's like is that type of he's like an area guy. This is it. I dont mean this in it and I get away. I just think it's really easy way to describe someone that you will understand hundred percent burning man guy unanimously. Yeah. So in twenty, thirteen sedation his family stages in intervention for a relative, struggling with alcoholism, and that experiences changes him. So he begins
the think deeply about addiction and suffering and how the family unit is disrupted and alcohol him, alcoholism and addictions are just are just a symptom of that, and so how healing needs to happen through addiction the family unit, just to get Our addiction I explained that, while that he discovers Iowa Sky, when his brother in law tries some in a ceremony in British Columbia, and he learns that people who take Iowa. Moscow have surreal visions, environment violently, but the effect can be therapeutic and help treat severe depression along. With other mental health issues like addiction and he has this awakening that this is his purpose in life is to be a drug addiction, counselor and child, medicine, net natural medicine, like I Alaska, to help people with addictions Oda, and he decides us. This is his path.
He wants to help right people from their addictions. So in late when either team, he launches a crowd funding campaign, which is It says that another articles by indigo and without one oh yeah, yeah set not exist anywhere. I don't know, He wants to raise money for his career change and the fucking videos on Youtube. You can watch it or she's here. Casually talking about. You know this his theory on addiction and what he wants to do to change help change things. He says he still got a priest and he can study plant medicine and learn more about the healing properties of I Alaska and his campaign goal is to raise ten thousand dollars, which include which would include sixteen hundred dollars for the healing centre. He plans on opening- I don't have its say. Erin, Canada, that he wants to open. It seems like in Canada and then two thousand dollars for travel and six hundred dollars for a spanish translator, but he only ends up raising two thousand dollars
but either way in September of twenty fourteen he's not deterred. He travels to the peruvian jungle city. Iquitos and it's the world's largest city that is not connected by road. So you can't Only way to get to the city is by plane or by taking a three or four day river about trip. Why do you think is the heart of the experiences that you're so secluded and in the middle of this chorus setting? So he wants to go there to study under local shamans on Facebook key posts that he wants to quote sticks his mind and while there he made the Rollo who Can I ask in Sharm and with more than forty years experience and he agrees to work with Sebastian and over them, three years Sebastian makes more like several trips to Peru and continues to take I Alaska and ceremonies in his home town as well. I think it's illegal in Canada and the Eu S baked our secrets, arab or not secret, but there's like
there's arrive at either. So his friends and family say that he starts becoming distant and erratic and face posts in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen, he says he's feeling low and lonely, and some people think maybe he's It's because of a recent break up. He had but others think his issue is from his quest to become a healer, a friend close. Later, tells reporters that he is essentially a good person that had a temper and he could be volatile an obsessive. Claims the ILO change his friend change Sebastian. He sorts dieting constantly, which is a requirement for taking I Alaska, you can't have any salt or sugar bad. It's like part of it. He loses a lot of way and when his father, tells him to seek professional help, Sebastian just withdrawals further, in September twenty seventeen he contact
the owners of a fishing company. He used to work for and ass for alone, of several thousand dollars saying so while it in passport had been stolen by assembly, like a weird, a weird, request and two weeks before Christmas, in twenty seventeen, he heads back to lemme Peru and almost immediately start run and the issues he reports at his passport stolen again he's envy. Ordinary collision while driving a rental car and he eventually finds a taxi driver who is able to take him to the colony of Victoria Gratia to meet a ski airmail, are evil grandmother whose one of most respected and renown shamans in the peruvian Amazon. So eighty one year old Olivia are available. La is known as a notion which his grandmother I am she lives in the jungle, Hamlet of Victoria Rossiya, so think
now wouldn't shacks dirt roads and then the name I Yoshida is a term of affection and respect for this woman who knows hundreds and hundreds like fire six hundred herbal remedies and is one of the last links to the dying tribal culture, issues defender of the cultural and environmental rights of her people, she's. Just this incredible woman, she's part of this ship. He bow Conny Boat people, which is an indigenous. If all along they, you clearly river, who are peruse. Second largest indigenous Amazon tribe, with over thirty five thousand members and their renowned for their healer, lad rituals that use that utilise Iowa wanted, villagers says that a living had the power to calm storms and strong winds and if you look at her photo she's just this is beautiful, classic grandmotherly type,
with this wise kind face and a smile. Her eyes are reasonable, I and beautiful she's got the bright jewellery on warm this a swarm presents even through the picture in a way I would imagine that if you're in Iowa ceremony led by this woman, you would just feel at peace well she's. If she studied that much up clearly at yeah, she possesses tons of knowledge and use it she knows it. She's talking about exactly now elevates work as a healer is legendary. Both within the shipping Bow Conny Bow Nation, an internationally she's attend did dozens of I ask a tourist travel for more than fifteen hours, here themselves with her. Specifically, and so on. Sebastian finally meets Olivia after having come to Peru for a couple years to try,
who understand. I owe and the medical properties it has. He asked her if she can cure him and threw him cure this family back home from whatever he believed is there. You know deep, generational trauma. And she says she can if he has face, and so Becky Elinor, as is the who's? The mayor of Victoria Rossiya, says that the Sebastian Woodrow for come by and human and insist that Libya are are evolving, would take Iowa with him, but she we refuse to sometimes their healers would take it as well and like so. They could experience it with you she hadn't taken in years. So she just was like that's not part of what I do he's probably also like yeah, I'm I'm the one that caused the shot right, and so I think it's you Like things devolved from there, it seems like in them up
until this point Sebastian Woodroof as my over dramatic english teacher in high school would say was descending in the man. S at this point you now and every every his actions are becoming more and more erratic and it seems so he develops a kind of obsession with ie our family and becomes increasingly aggressive with the locals, and that community aquarium double accounts. He turns The village when night, during a ceiling ceremony wanting to speak to our evolves Son Julian he's reportedly carrying a club, he's turned away. He tries to sneak back again and hits a man guarding the ceremony, allegedly some villages chase after him, and I take him to the police. Actually, I'm Lenin whereas later says that the community took the subject. Send to the police on three separate occasions and, of course, the local
These have no record of this, but local sense because they didn't care. If a white man is harassing natives, but it had been the other way around, they would have given a shit in Armenia, oh, when Sebastian Woodrow, fails to check in over Christmas and new year is his family and friends and British Columbia are worried. They are trying to like track him down in Peru and eventually heap response to them and says I'm alive so here he's Peru in early January, twenty eighteen, with his relationship with the arrival of family strained, and a number of rumours are circulating that Maybe Sebastian had given Julian arrival money for I was a ceremony setting never received very, been ripped off after giving Joe, in thousands of peruvian Dino dollars to by land for a new retreat, but it's also like he was asking for loans from people he didn't have money, so that seems a little far fetched maybe you now had these perceived injustices in his head right up.
Couldn't be couldn't be righted because they weren't true in Algeria their land and of his imagination. Yet He went down there on borrowed money there, a youngster doesnt seem. So the rumours are never confirmed. That prosecutor is up to the Uk Ali provenance say that Julian allegedly owed Sebastian about four thousand dollars, but we This is surely not smashing. Goes back to Canada lives in an hour. We start looking for a new job. I simply he feels a little bit broken and his heart it. He puts on Facebook about how we feel like shit. He says he's basically looking for a life on Facebook and and on Facebook in February twenty eighteen says I miss my family and friends and feel like shit. I hope I'm not sick and in March she writes a post about heading back to pursue to do some soul, searching and fix his mind
and his family and friends noticeably, gets more and more closed off with each visit to Peru. They try to talk not going. He fucking won't, listen and Woodrow in his first teacher gear MO are evil low, says Sebastian reached out to him, so they could meet up a gear. Mobile was out of town, and he says that Sebastian told him that he's bipolar and needs help, so it it does in, like maybe he had some undiagnosed issues or maybe they are exacerbated by an eye Alaska and ran easily in touch with reality. So, thirteen days off a writing back in Peru, the now forty one year old, Sebastian rights, feeling better day by day and Peru, so thankful and he's receiving more and more radically and on March thirty, if he goes to a police station in Peru Culpa and tells the officer that their he's looking to buy a gun just randomly locks into the police stations, a police data. I did not get the sun but
he's tells the officer that he's going into the jungle and once protection from animals and the officer actually agrees to sell him, his nine millimeter pistol yeah. Which later they say it is irregular, but not illegal, because he files The paperwork and staff, even though he didn't have a gun licence. His next facebook pose. Says: not enjoying life. Having a rough go, please send me prayers, so who ok ready for this on the day on the day of April nineteenth twenty eighteen a teacher in the village school of Victoria Gratia here's three gunshots ring out and heat. As the children and the school to stay, put, runs out to see what happened and there he finds Olivia, are evolved, lying on the ground outside of her hat, having been shot twice in the chest. Ah, it's horrific it's horrible. She cries. They ve killed me, they ve killed me and her.
Virginia cradles, her ass, she dies horrible it's so horrible. Someone has to get the police and it takes a while, for them door arrive from the nearby city and when they do arrive, they leave Olivia are of olives body out in the dirt four hours as they investigate as her family and the greeting villagers. Stand around in shock. They find all cartridges. A couple yards from the body and villagers tell the authorities at the killer is someone they know a tourist. From Canada. They call the gringo. They shall it his name, Sebastian Woodruff, and that they had taken him. The police station on three separate occasions- and this time they say he showed up on a motorcycle waving a gun looking for Olivias son Julian and how he had shot in the air once, but when Olivia came out instead, he shot her
but he's nowhere to be found soon after the shooting there's a war on a poster made. It circulates online with Sebastian photo. The message reads: this man it. This is a man who killed our teacher Olivia are of Allah. And two days go by with no sign of Sebastian until local media outlets, receives a disturbing video owner and the girl Any footage which I highly recommend you don't fucking. Look up even a screen grab struggle upsetting higher in the green, If we manage several male villagers, are beating up a white man identified as Sebastian and he's pleading he's beaten up his bloody and while onlooker stand by his attackers drag him around in the dirt. And then one man takes a seatbelt and uses It's a tie, a noose around Sebastian Neck, and they drag him through the constraints, as he strangled
and the violent video Gus Viral and becomes international news God. How did no one needs that have no one needs that that's horrible, so investigators search winedrops, rented room in the town and, among his thing, they find sleeping pills. Two other prescription drugs from Canada, one those present prescriptions as an anti psychotic drugs used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and the other is climate caught up in Cologne as a pan and another one is an anti anxiety medication. Then authorities receive a tip about the whereabouts of Sebastian Woodruff when they go back to Tori across yet they find him buried in a shallow grave, several hundred yards from the village, his body than Then a blue she and he's covered and bruises and is clear. These are coated and dirt and dried blood, and they so find the nine millimeter pistol that he had bought and dismantled motorcycle so backing. And their Sebastian
when Europe's family, when they hear about this, are like that is not the person we knew. He would never kill someone are adamant about it like there's some rumours that, like maybe it was the pope, the poachers and the rain forests that killed Bolivia and all these stories. But once investigators, fine gunshot residue on the sleeves and hand of Sebastus sweatshirt. Forensics match the anti cartridges found nearer. Olivia are evolves body with the gun they and then there's also eyewitness accounts. You know that it was Harry its care that he is indeed the color As for Sebastian Killers police, in Peru, Culpa are still looking for the four men in connection with the lynching. One of them, was the mayor of that area at the time and they are currently at large. Reportedly hiding in the jungle so mean
Canada, the local Mp Carla's to be now posed a tweet that call, the villagers savages and blames me down on local shamans, who quote turn Iowa into a business with foreigners ah that's, not a good idea who they're fucking fault, that someone came to their village. What that's an especially like, the it's just insult to injury like he killed whatever the context he killed a wholly person. He builds a leader and an essay like a sham and Anna and Giver and a teacher. I like that you didn't know her woke this attack ino. She didn't. Divide this into her life. He he's the aggressor.
He later apologizes, but that the current Marylin heiress tells reporters that the whole affair is racist, and she knows that the journalist covering the case and they're all the journalist assent on the town are only there because a white man died. The killing of indigenous people, on the other hand, is ignored every day, like in December, twenty sixteen indigenous amazonian, healer, Rosa and Draughty, who was sixty seven was murdered by someone outside the community. Crime remains unsolved and the killing of environmental advocate Edwin Show TAT in twenty fourteen as well happen. But you know there's no press coverage right away. After Sebastian death. Canada also issues an advisory warning. Travellers to exercise quote a high degree of caution throughout Peru and avoid non essential travel completely due to terrorist and criminal activity. The devil, murder also cast a harsh spotlight on the unregulated world of Iowa Tourism and some kinda,
the tried for taking justice into its own hands, somebody Sebastian outright and some even assert that Sebastian wasn't the murderer in the replace over Libya, which I think is far fetched current mayor of Victoria Gracias. Excellent our says at the village never wanted the violence that Sebastian brought. There are usually very trenck, Tranquil community But at this moment with the death of the village grandmother and lastly, to traditional ways, grief took over and they carried out their own justice. Is there their sight of it, Nellie Vasquez Alive, his granddaughter says that the murder has made her more suspicious of outsiders, even if Sebastian was an anomaly before he came. She says they all lived, a peaceful life and didn't bother anyone, and now she feels haunted by the gringo and despair. The media attention the killings received, I ask a tourism has not decrease at all and that
is the murder of Libya are available a k, a the ILO. Oscar, while, if you want read more that the book I was talking about earlier Kevin Tucker's book the cull of personality. I ask a colonialism and the death of a healer, its basic, It talks about the how the event is linked to colonialism and exploitation of indigenous peoples. It's a really interesting, read at such a time, It's a tragedy in every direction, but that that idea, yeah that she had all this kind of ancient knowledge and that, like that, that can only be passed down the fact that she met such a violent and this peaceful spy, her charm, You know knowledgeable person that re such a violent and from a person who was suffering from his own mental issues.
Is there not? A goal is like to go down there and to try to be healed and two beast to say: can you please help me? I know that you he'll people you know and That was, that was the whole relationship there and then that's that It turns out as that's a nightmare God. Let's see I've never heard of him. Twenty eighteen yeah, then yes, top Eddie. It's there. Cells over good think about in that way of, like just accessing pupils. Culture sad outweigh you, see you going into their culture you're going into their lives, and your expecting to be. You know expecting continue to be treated the way you are in your culture and not respecting. You know not respecting another culture essentially, and maybe also he wasn't respecting the issues he actually had that acute. He made up the way it was gonna, be Sol Ray, and then, when that didn't happen, he just kept kind of. Back to the same source, which is like, if you have you know, maybe that mental illness and whatever,
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I'm gonna do the story of the beast of J Vous dawn broke So here's it have. There's a website that I love to read called dangerous minds. I've been its reading of four years of your ever gone on to it, but it's a bunch of super cool writers, any it's mostly about music, but then often these kind of like fascinating cultural kind of Mondo. Have you ever seen this have ever seen this video had Emerson this whatever? Sometimes I just have a really good one time on their my favorite thing. I think they had like nineteen, eighty one Christmas like employee, thank you real for some new station in like Connecticut, so it just was the camera going around and it would be like the guy in the the guy that was in, like the in editing vow waving. Merry Christmas, there name underneath like stone. Why don't I just like yeah
people with its it's a bunch of people with good taste, writing about things that we would find interesting, love it so so they are contributor. Someone named cherry bomb is the person who wrote this article that I first found so I sent it Jane. I'm like I have to do this next week, but other sources we used or Smith's Smithsonian magazine dot com. There's a website called how about that dot site that, I think, goes under the all thing, all that's interesting website and, of course, the great website, ATLAS, Obscura com and then, of course, Wikipedia and history dot, com and also we did it, search of the Amazon gmail and Box, and this story was suggested by a listener. Name Genevieve be way back and twenty eighteen girl. Thank thank you, Genevieve, okay, so this
does fascinating to me, and I never I've never heard of this, but between the years of fifteen twenty and sixteen thirty, the people of France lived through, what's now known as the french werewolf epidemic so overthrow thirty thousand people were accused of being werewolves in that hundred and a ten year span of time? Thirty thousand, Some people might are arrested. Tortured and then, of course, confessed to making deals with the devil for various reasons mode most of them were to protect their flock or their or of their herd than the devil give them often times it was a magical ointment. Sometimes it was a magical belt and that would turn them into werewolves, and then they would murder and partially eat the unsuspecting passers by wow so
that was actually a big chunk of time and french history, where that, whereas kind of sound it similar to like the witch trials of Europe or the witch trials Salem. So this came and went and then a hundred and thirty years later, after all settles down and seems to be over beast of J vous Dumb kicks up. So here's what happened in April of seventeen sixty four, a young woman is tending to her heard of cattle in the meek may Qua forest let's get bigger and bigger pronunciation disaster, and this is. Near the small town of Long long gone. You, in the south central region, owner Zhu, J, Judar Ha Cr. So so She asked she's out there. You know ten is either The thing that I love about this story is that it happens. Near by and in the forest and as we,
Oh it's a dangerous place. Her have talked about a lot but its fascinating. To me, like So she is he's, got or cattle that I guess grazing in the forest and Suddenly, a strange four legged creature about this, It's a calf was, I can read: hair long, black and red hair, a long tail and a very wide mouth appear and before the woman can figure out what's going on it lunges forward and attacks. Her she's, trying to get free that the creatures to strong, luckily, the women's, the womb. Cattle comes to her aid and they charge at this beast and, and run away but she's, which she perhaps eaten as forest mushrooms. At the time, a hint of her am those cattle. I read that story, and I was just like Europe around cows, they dont charge,
threatening anime Agnew, your ass, not like we not save care- and this was long ago- so you know- maybe maybe they used to be quite brave- ok she's. Obviously, chicken she runs back to her family. She tells him all about this. Happening in what she says is that she was just she was attacked by something quote: like a wolf, but not a wolf, so Then, two months later, on June thirtieth, seventeen sixty four of fourteen Your old shepherdess named John Belay, tends to her flock of sheep in the same region, a region and This is serious. Beast appears again. And in the same way it lunges ajar, but she and her sheep are no match for it, and she is the first known fatality of the strange beast of J vous DOM so I'll, give you a little historical context of what's going on in France at the time care, so
France has been fighting over land in the new worlds for years and so Ass England? If that's gonna, hang without any. I wasn't me my people and have it anywhere where neither here we wish we who are still in Europe wandering around Europe, so England officially declares war on France over that and in seventeen fifty six, this will eventually become the seven years war. Queen, England, France and Spain at last from seventeen fifty six to seventeen sixty three, which is approximately. Seven years, that's right with seven years they loved argue a bishop I've. No I'm, like oh I've, heard that I think I've heard it. I don't make sense now, no idea so At the end of this war, France signs a treaty of Paris. We think in Spain on February ten, seventeen sixty three and they lose Canada, an Louisiana to the british farmer. Obviously there
Oh colonizers, it was the native american People's Latvia, was lame land authority in their humming, they're having wars anyway, so it there point. National morale and France is very low. So this about a year later, when the news about a mysterious man eating beast in jail, Judar travels across Europe. It gives people something new to focus on and rally around especially as the number of attacks begin to climb so for the course of the next few months. This beast strikes dozens of times, injuring some killing others and while there some men attack, the majority of the victims are women and children and there so it's so funny there. So many stories of children being birds, essentially, ok, although all through this times, like everyone, had a job, it was those errors, so the beast has a pattern of attacking the throat or head and dick appertaining the victims,
partially eating many of its victims, which is not normal for wolves order Ex wild dogs or any other wild animal known to live in that region of France. Everybody here for yelling. In the background, he's lying idle. Do it Betty ERA, so as opposed to a normal, like Wolf Attack, suddenly people their finding. But you know people decay potato yanks local soldiers who have returned from the seven years war with quote, wounded masculinity from this defeat. They see this these as an opportunity to reclaim their honorary so men. One of these infantrymen- is Captain Jean Baptiste Duhamel, new factors, I do have now. The great american actor has not done a bite pick of clearly his relatives, France, who
participating. This is a huge mistake to so Josh get in touch his wish. We need to make this movie project so do a mom teamed up with a regional government delegate named a telephone and they organise these. It said as many as thirty thousand men to hunt down this being so and October. Eighth. Seventeen Sixty four another victim is mauled, though, do a male afar and their men couldn't save the victim. They are able to trail the beast to a forest at Chateau, a ball where its in stocking yet another herdsmen, oh, do a mouse team follows the beast into the forest where they corner it and they manage to coax it out into the open then they use their muskets and open fire on the beast. It falls so the ground, but everyone's horror. It then arises back up to its feet and runs away so when we-
This gets out. The story of the bees takes on a supernatural quality and by December of seventeen sixty four, the frequency of attack. Lead some people to believe there might act. Will he be more than one of these creatures yeah? So, the papers and the local villages latch onto these stories and these theories, and they start churning out, be sensational reports circulating them all over France, making everyone equal parts. Fascinated, curious and afraid, one of them popular stories is, and this is my favorite a ten year old boy name, Jacques Porter Faye on January twelve, seventeen sixty five, Jacques and seven of his friends. So five boys, it's five boys to girls, ranging from ages, eight to twelve there out in a meadow tending to cattle, and there also playing kind of like war with big stick stance. Is that so
they're doing that its rewrite the tranquil pleasant, there's little pieces of what are those you blow on call there in the air the death dandelions. These last dandy lie in this. The filling the air boom. Here's this here this beast. Here's as werewolf in London the kids, but the kids, led by young Jacques beat it back with sticks and successfully scared away and then like a fuckin gang of kids with sticks, Terry and their long later away a literal monitor our king Louis teeth is so taken by the story that he awards, Jacques and all of the children who were with him. Three hundred lira p.
For their bravery? Any also gives a shock of free education paid for by the crowned J. Looked it up. According to the website, historical statistics, dot org and their currency converter three hundred leave in one sixty four France is worth about to that in five hundred euros in twenty fifty. So that's a nice chunk of money are definitely so Mr Eleven seventeen sixty five nineteen year old, Marie Jean Valet and her sister, their crossing the river days on their walk home when she turns around to find the beast behind them, but Marie Asia is armed with a bayonet. That's attached to a wooden pull. So as the beast lunges toward them, she stabs it right in the chest. Somehow,
doesn't kill it and the beast runs off wounded from then on. Marysia is dubbed the Amazon or the maiden of Joe Duvall for saving herself and her sister and centuries later and ninety ninety five artist Felipe Kaplan. I think our Capitola comment rates mirage with a statue which still stands in a churchyard in over France, La France? Have you ever seen have you seen better off dead. No movie has like movie of TED when the mob they have their french exchange. Students in the mom goes Frank, bread, ranch dressing and Peru and she's older bubble up area, Peru, okay, so these attacks keep coming and though the exact numbers aren't known its estimated that by early seventeen, sixty five there ve been between thirty and so Steve deaths, well, yeah, so
Oh, do her male and la far here more and more stories of local peasants and townspeople defending themselves from the beast their egos bruised. So they decide to ramp up the efforts to catching kill this beast so they organise military style formations and strategies they set poison bait traps. They even dress up, like peasant women, to try to lure the beast to attack and ruin it's for the beasts head are set and gradually increased until they equal full year, salary for the average working like I've. Still, none of It leads to any results, so the you did failures of do her male la far, and the local men of Judar only add to the who can sleigh this dragon narrative. So in February of seven sixty five father and son hunting team from Normandy named, a den evolves announced that there are going to trial d, J D Von to defeat the beats beast themselves they make.
Claimed that they have killed more than twelve hundred wolves between the two of them, so they convince everyone there, the man for the job but left warned them that this creature, ass quote much bigger than a wolf and Josh. Do male says you will undoubtedly think like. I do that this is a monster, the father of which is a lion, so why its mother was remains to be seen so This father and son team scour the area for the beast and try their hand a killing it, but they can't do either and by the spring, is seventeen sixty five? There are super embarrassed because their big pronunciation of how they are going to get it done doesn't work. They gave up throw in the towel. They go back to normally, as that avows give up King Louis, the fifth, Ain't decides it's time to send. In his own personal gun, bearer a man named Francois and Twa to hunt the beast now Francois he does
is to bring his nephew to help him out since he's seventy one years old and new ninety one in seven in sixty five as a hundred and twelve in today's Ok, so Francois his nephew and a few other men, Rome, J D, Bosphorus until they finally find a large creature. That appears to be the beast day, successfully shoot and kill it on September. Twentieth. Seventeen, so eighty five and then they bring the beast corpse to the court at first sight and Topsy is conducted the inspecting terrified human remains inside the beast stomach. So then they they say this confirms that they have killed the beast. The body stuff its put on display at Versailles. Antwerp receives a huge reward from the king s celebrated not only by the villagers of J D viable by all of France, then too on Slater in December there's an another attack, but
the king had already made this big display of saying that the beast verity been killed. He refuses to acknowledge that them that the Attacks and murders have started again. That's the vessel that is refused to acknowledge it yeah, I feel, agreed heard a couple stories like that, where the local law enforcement thinks they ve solved it and they want to have solved it and then, when the fact comes up that stop insolvent is rough, is yet ready, and I can't do it so without any further assistance from the crown. The people of J D Von continue to be attacked for the next eighteen months and during this time it's estimated that an under another thirty to thirty five people died. The clutches of the mysterious wolflike creature, I witnessed one of these attacks that happen in that period of time reports that the beast quote had a shame, contrary to nature. So there's some weird about this animal lan or thing. That's a lot of people killed. Yeah
That's it's not it's. Ok, so the locals are now furious. They decide to take matters into their own hands. So, instead of relying on these military people or the Royals, they no, the landscape, better than any one else. They know these forests and they have the most to lose, so they organise their own plan to kill the beast once and for all. So on June, nineteenth seventeen sixty seven, a rich nobleman, the Marquis. Tears. Shea, perhaps air early, not did nice is a hunt with all the town. People and one of these and people is a local farmer, Nay Machine Justo. So just tell, was known around town for leading the hunts that the king his gun, bearer and long organised, an member those guys in the aid has a nephew right but after Janshah still lead accidently, let everybody into a bog and
Twa had him thrown in jail man wasn't now is he got out of jail? He's back and better than our Adam. I don't know of this for a fact, but I bet you about three hundred leave her that he's super pastness, something to prove so quote from how about that dot site. It says quote: just l was armed with a double barreled shock on his ammunition. They say he used silver balls, sill verbal and the he had them blessed in advance of the hunt care and So this hunting party goes they they searched the forest. They searched the land they finally come upon. The beast: Janshah Stone steps out shoots is shot. End quote Shasta Fire broke the beast, shoulder and ripped out its Throat Lee the Hunter than proclaim the doom of the dread. Beast of Geneva quote Beast use.
El Hunt, no more over pneumatic. While corny will change that, for just don't worry, we'll chamber for the movie. When all is said and done in a three year span, there are an estimated two hundred and thirteen total attack Felicia forty, nine injuries and a hundred and thirteen death of these victims. Ninety eight! of them were partially eaten. Do so at the end of all that the question still remains. What was beast of J Judar? Some, like to believe in a more fantastical theories that it was a werewolf its. Kind of a historical thing in this in France and so it's easier to believe. Maybe and also because the decapitations, where a common and that's not what most animals dogs and do it's it's easy to believe the other thing that people believe is that it's a human serial killer, somehow disguise
as this monster as they do say. You know the they say it walked on two legs that happen, ability to rise up and walk on its back legs that it that it was shaped it. It was wide chested, it was flat, headed its mouth was bigger than any animal. That was your dog or a wolf LEO. He was asked to war like a costume to disguise and sound ass. Could you met leg and also they said it was blocked. The hair was long and black, and just like that, the actual pelt of the animal looked really weird. It didn't look like any wolf. They had seen before under skinned a wolf and put his body on himself air, while all sent there were victims did. I say this one. There are also victims who said that they saw buttons on the beasts belly dead. I love
I love that ferry that it's some fucking psycho that's dressed up like a wolf. I am rather a running a wearable heat that guy wearing a wolf's carcass national, not. You know, I think, there's classes on both sides. I think I'm never leaving my house again. You know I've everything's possible and I'm scared up all the time. Modern scientists in historian have guessed at the creature or multiple creatures. And then a eurasian Wolf Hyena, a variation of a lion, theirs Some are saying, maybe like soldiers that went off to war, smuggled back exotic animals, we know from foreign lands, it could have been a dog, Wolf, Hybrid, some,
There are theories that it was a pre, historic animal that managed to survive in the eighteenth century, and that's how I see no man was created at the things that they base that often seen them. That's a deep. This is the insane. Oh man, creek law. We are making this movie jaw references to nineteen, eighty remove them most likely answer. According to historian and author J M Smith, who wrote the book monsters of the jail outta, the making of a beast is that they were in fact, law Our wolves now is like them was boring sang and it's it's the old outcomes, razor, that's no fun and re against everything. We love in part, gastronomy, Lily there. He basically said Jane Don, had a serious wolf infestation and that's what was taking place, but no matter what the explanation is in this three year period there
This carnage and terror that left its mark on south central frost forever, and that is the story of the beast. Of James, who Dar also, if you want to see so J M Smith's book monsters of the jail Rudolf, you'd deadly, read that if this is interesting to you, there's also a two thousand one movie called Brotherhood of the Wolf Knit has seventy three percent on rotten tomatoes, and it's all a it's a French. Maybe it's all about this story do so You know. If I want an area eyes, are our brain trust me related. Clapping his Adele. Bravo is from a friend. I think Bravo is french. While brow barrier how's day, there was great
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