This week, Karen and Georgia talk the increasingly surreal Jane Mixer case along with the Co-ed Killer and then recount the incredible survival of Jennifer Morey. Come have tea with us, Rosemary & Thyme style on My Favorite Murder.
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interest ass, any free gas and hopefully, make your time at work in swimming pool or on a dark and road. While you take a go by a little bit faster about them goodbye. That was it if such the effort to do like rain official beginning of this fuckin pod. What's gonna know it, let's go and get into this pass it all by her. I be also Jacob okay. So this If anyone talk about the less I don't, I can talk to me about until a bug right was very stern. I married or so Jacob whirling that, though but his this one is a thirteen year old kid when
he was kidnapped, he was kidnapped. It was him his brother and a friend they were writing their bikes to the store and a guy held a gal damagon point and told the other two to run away and took Jacob nineteen. Eighty nine, which we, I would have said many times that the eighties outcome and be under arrest for being fuckin shit. If it was not a good time for us as children was speaking of, I just watch a documentary that has now on Netflix over the weekend called who took Johnny. I stared at that all weekend going March at Karen. This is supposed to be your thing and I couldn't bring myself to watch. I because I've heard them talk about it almost last podcast and it is so dark and, if so creevy- and it is so not your average kidnapping- I just Didn'T- want to have to take it, and I agree: there's a lot of information. The thing I took away from it Johnny. And running the thing I took away from it is that his mother.
And like this is the only positive thing is the biggest bad ass in the fucking so, the whole thing like kind of centres follows her around and what she had to go through, When her son got kidnapped and when the police- seventy two hour waiting period? We have this little boy who, in dark on his paper round it in the morning his his paper behind his adorable docks and which would level was left behind, which why would you do that? And they said he thought he ran away, so she had to go to great lengths for years and years and became an advocate. Just like John washes without a tv show. Children in it's amazing what she's done. I can't I can't take it in you, gotta watch it and I just some so tired, tired, I'm sorry, I know that's why the Franklin cover up
then the play so hard to believes. I have such a hard time with so many these little at, like there's two things. One of them is that a guy gets arrested and says that he was one of the people who took Johnny, gosh and he became slave rain, and the other thing is that the moms says that she saw him Johnny, Hasn't it as an adult amateur adore, my and those two things like, if you believe them both it's a fucking insane story. If dont. Then it's a fucking insane story, because people are crazy, yeah everything about it. Is you know it it's if if it was just everything peeled away of just the fact that you actually know it's an intense tragedy of just a child. Peering, there's that's the best worst case scenario, because then you're a grieving parent who never gets relief and what that might do to you. But then there is also the thing of it's just
I think the reason people like stranger things or whatever is that thing of wool. Then you must be crazy if you are in grief to bribery, you and, of course, with the mothers with women. It's always your crazy here and so a woman trying to get answers and get her child help and get some action when he's been deemed crazy, which is the ultimate stamp that people can negate you and your voice where she was lying lansdown in, like a man, manner stern, but women are shrill and now that's the patriarchy ass, the boots, the standard bullshit, and yet she was able to change the laws and be an advocate for children who have gone missing and and turn her grief into something useful and worthwhile, not that Greece has not those things, but you know that great. It's amazing how she's upskilling she's, amazing, yeah, I definitely I know it's a hard it's.
Our case, but it's really good
Final document are fine bank fine. I quit year for jobs and stay home and watch Johnny. Here's what I did do and but sorry we started out by mentioning the rhetoric of wetter lings remains were finally found, so his parents have rest- and there is a lot of people who sent us that it makes me really happy that people send as those articles and they're so Ito enthusiastically LAO. It's such a nice idea to think that after all these years, those at least at the very least those parents have a little bit of Russia and a little bit like a just at least. They know where he is. I was so I read that about him being found and they hadn't really slotted details about it. Now there is more stuff coming out like who, like the guy confess to it and that's how they found the body, but so the whole time as watching who took Johnny. I was just in an all these twists and turns it maybe was this and it could have been less any might be still alive, and I don't know these things and I couldn't help it just like picture his.
The sad spoons buried somewhere Rameau. He has outlined the exact same way looked when he got taken and these crazy story isn't what happens that are just not true. In the meantime. These lonely bonds, jar and Dismay SAM. I know it's, it's so tragic it's heavy heavy shit That's why I'm going to clumsily subway now ensue. My next piece of housekeeping has less just must not live there for our desires and it gets dark not at all. I know this is what we did what we like, but we can't dislike. You know this. We have often toil area an apology to make for anyone who heard me talk shit about the british procedural rosemary on time, because But what I did this weekend was watch, probably twenty episodes of rosemary in time, which is
hello lariat, it's not suppose bail areas, but I found it so enjoyable. So relaxing it's too like middle age, british women who are gardeners and they go. They keep getting hired. It's very murder. She roadie, who makes over there's two of them and they get higher to fix people's beautiful british garden is comes. I also thought, ladies you, but there very attractive women and not. I found the too fat ladys attractive in their own way in Vienna Hunter. They had great personal. It's ok anyhow. These too are so enjoyable to watch the murders, which is ludicrous. There's always two murders everywhere they go. People are drop, em like flies. Nowhere is there never suspected, but they have but half of more than half of the show it takes place in the most gorgeous gardens you ever seen. So there is a real like you can see them aiming at lake. Probably like a sixty year old Lady who's, gonna sit nurture at night knit eat some candy and watch the show. I announced Fuckin amazing. I was that lady this weekend, I let him loved it. I was so relaxed. You have to see it it's, but one time someone asked me about british procedures and someone recommended rosemary in time for home and oh, was I flippant about how that was grandma, ground
crime show and I don't care, while I'm I apologise. Whoever said that too, I am one thousand percent wrong. I lovers hurried time with the best of them and PAM Ferris and I wrote their names down because felicity Candle and ham Ferris are the two stars: theirs oh god, damn good and ham Ferris went on the star in a show called call the midwife, which I also la LA which machine she is the none that where's the habitable time. She's like all business now, just ass, though she looks like every one of my family. I love that show com and why I love call the midwife and she's she's lake holds it down on their says. She's been on british TV for like forty year sounds like a combination of murder. She road and the great British back off, we're here just kind of being sued by british voices a little violence gorgeous flowers. I mean you cannot have one without the other.
And you shouldn't and also the day when I love- is in a british procedural, your watch them casually drinking tea. Just love the fact that people like cut out time in the day I now drink tea and eat cookies, thinkers Berman in there So I just say now because I just had Berman. Unless I mean it's probably everywhere Irene deep down, I mean as you and I yeah I'll, just like Latka thundered grain. Why, yes, other housekeeping housekeeping. I think the rosemary in time apology was my number one housekeeping pretty much this week there was correction coroner yeah. That was a huge correction, has also once again I've gotten it wrong with England. Hey we're in entertainment, weekly, hey? We just found this out tonight, summoned very nice europhile look them off, give an eel J out. They were lake.
Stage, mom that I've never had a shit where they its de train, of course, A trans, therefore icy train at DE train rights hated. You see the show in energy and weekly Congrats, and the answer was no. We are not we didn't know it was gonna, be in there or in there with ATLAS Obscura, which is a red website. Wherein there was a ban called sunlit youth, sharp young people love them. I am sure that their cool- it's like a bunch of deeds and stretched out white tee shirts, with really sparse facial here, Mary to my text, exchange about it with my dad please so I sent him the photo that the train centres, and I said the package is an energy weekly, because you know that only from the seams legitimate as a victory on television or in a magazine, that's right, like it doesn't matter if you're on the website- and he said, Oh I'm g, wonderful, very proud of you go girl,
Marty. That means a comedian. I, like the sound of that message me to any incivism facebook I'd like to share a babby. That's your job done instead go and throw up on Facebook with a baby picture. Let's hear That's funny, because I texted my sister Adrian and Audrey, who are my hometown, posse her and all fair of the show, not Laura. She doesn't must do it. My dear sister doesn't go she's like I don't have time attack and I literally have told her when she can thus germ line. Then you drive after you dry off your daughter. My sister in law is the only one who listens to never like my not related person is the only one who can hear my voice, and I love hate me, Will Adrian Audrey and Adrian both totally listen to it. So I went the Ark Nonstop, constant group text and just want a guys look out, were in entertainment, weekly no one.
Search for a while and then Adrian responded. What magazine is that don't make me a busy now and then no one answer for a while, and then I had written. Will someone please go by one and give it to my dad yeah Enzo? Then nobody interests were Wellman. Adrian comes back and goes Laura. You on that. You're like hello is like this is classic, and then I was like sorry for bragging and then my sister called me of course yelling, I'm so proud of you yeah. I said it's my mom and dad. I haven't heard a word from my mother. Hates me now. Can I can. I can I just shut out Yolanda, my sister in law and how sweet she is she listening air. Ah, was she at the wedding quest
may have met her she's at all. Thanks Yolanda, it's your them most important kind of family that is out of Hamley Witless, doesn't hey you for cracking and I got rear their heaven. When you were a fight, that's right! There's no grudges, no old grudges with those in laws. All I've been in her mind, is a great aunt. Did Time party gown hamburger, probably a gift giver, I would say I'm terrible. I could giving real she's a great piece of shit. What gift cards Zol Starbucks gift cards everywhere. I just forget more than that. I try to make it seem like, as if I'm a seven day advanced, I dont give guidance either clerical Karen doesn't do that and we agree- and we did this honour last birthday- is that we don't give each other gives, let's not do the other each other never know. I might I'm its pick, you up something total it's a lot so carrying around yet, but
it has to be on your birthday, I'm gonna! Let you down, I don't want you to be stressed out and then feel guilty nowhere and payment. We pause sit on your birthday and they didn't even I wish it were that because I don't wanna put that, should I little islands- and I will work- is that when I didn't know I novel You get I'm not on Facebook. I keep to myself, I'm a fiercely private person. Hey it's my birthday today. The cancer It didn't feel we're just now
all right. Let's talk about murder. Are you ready doves called that was called family forum, but less part that was called Workin out? Friendship, detail, friendship, rules. This is an important thing because I swear to God, if I'm friends of the person- and they give me some fuckin three stacks of beautifully wrapped- give out idler late, I'm like get off we're, not gonna, be I don't want this from Yale. You're gonna be merry disappointed when you're running around getting this year and then I feel obligated worthless car. That's like a thank you, sir. Forcing this like you and me out of me. Can I just say you were a fuckin meal, yeah, and actually you should oh do you owe me went first last week. I think you then ok, it am I wrong. we're taking a quickie break.
Stay too and then my neighbour murders are happening or back and were back, and I hate you're, just versus big so, are you ready But you're found nationalists and only on new topics. You gave me the until one, and I was glad that you were there are you ready to listen? That's my one trigger is phone stuff now getting. I don't give a shit about anything, Lings microphone, foreign leading to go to instagram dot com. Slash might have murderous. If both are we just took yet, no make upon? Neither I am my pants are just completely and buttoned concept. It's my Alisha keys about array. A second and I go on and eyes are now, I'm not I'm not gonna make it one move Stephen
You better tell her if she I just want to relax I honour a day. I click clogs Gimme, the finger so my mai paramatta this week is that of. Gary Earl leader, and the Michigan murders of Canada. It's kind of a mash up. Ok, in the late nineteenth sixties. There was a serial killer target a young women and the college, town of an armor Michigan Lou, he was called, Cohen Killer, whom became known as the poet killer and murdering women in and around Ann Arbor in a two year period, his m o was picking up young women between the ages of thirteen and twenty one. Then he would rape beat and murder them the clear my stabbing our strangulation, sometimes
bodies would be mutilated in which I dont get into. Don't worry about your squeamish after death, before being discarded Emma desolate area. And he was also known to visit their bodies before I found tat. He was a fucking crave yeah like a gross fucked up sadistic creep. He was, he was the Oji TED Bundy. It sounds like yeah. Yeah. He was like, I think, and I know I shall go with the serpent and they must have had the term circular ready because they called him that, but it was like before this was like an unknown thing: great cereal killing the two young women attributed to the Kohen killer had been found when the bond Jane a mixture of brilliant twenty three year old law student. At the University of Michigan, was found on March twenty first nineteen sixty nine,
she was done on a cemetery just west of Ann Arbor and was assume she was a victim of the serial killer, the Kohen killer, but some of the detail of her murder were different than the established m. O the Kohen killer Jane had disappeared after posting. A note on a college ride, share Bulletin board and ran, I mean yeah. She was seeking a ride across estate. To her hometown of scam or she intended premises on his part. She intended to inform her family of her engagement, an eminent moved to New York like she intended to inform everyone of the beautiful life she was building for herself Vienna and was excited to start
just had some great new is like. Oh her parents had been waiting to heat for this day, a guy she met at La School, who was a sweet angel ever gonna, moved to New York and pursue their careers or sweet baby angle of that's my saying. A low, already M link makes me really sad because you know like I wonder how they go. There's one thing about hitchhiking that we are all account hedgehog, but the opening of putting it hey if anyone's heading to lake again. I'm askin, you arrive, I mean in this day and age. I think it's a little bit better. If you're gonna do that in nineteen, sixty nine dot dot didn't know you were any cork board of any kind. Yeah there's nothing good is happening now, everything's laced with acid. Come on those. Where great quotes the early mount about it. I had no idea, no, it's ridiculous. So
her body had been found in a cemetery atop a grave well, she had been, and we learn this from how to say this from Germany The rotted correct they have been carried with a talking and it wasn't her own stocking- was come to facto and out But the way she died was that she was shot twice in the head with a twenty two caliber. She hadn't been beaten or sexually assaulted, like the other victims of the Kohen killer had, but she did have redress pulled up, showing her underwear but having carefully covered up with her yellow raincoat after birds and her shoes and a car and her coffee a catch. Twenty two had been carefully place nearby so like this person took care painting a picture yeah and my covering her body as such. And we all know what it means now back then it was like the we did not Like that really meant
you're, taking this person great, which means a personal relationship. Usually I didn't yes. You're right seriously. No but you're right, I just Thea means you're, so smart, I'm going on this hope, like us already Bay, leaves don't do it so four days after she's discovered the body another body of the colored victim the code is found Marilyn Skelton. She disappeared, while hitchhiking an ant arbour. And her murder more closely resembled the MO the serial killer, fucked up fag. Each woman up until this point, including Jane Mixer, had been men at the time of their data. Oh what in the actual fact why? What are the chances? Ok,
works at the tampon store is my first, as I owe you think it's a lot more sanitary napkins like went up to her chin, who sold the sanitary napkin belts to say that one of their chief you see me, can I tell you a hilarious and very quick anecdote, always me a friendly solution. HU. I want to have children. I sang her phone, I'm about to turn him now. She's, like it I spent the night in her house one night and I wanted to wash my face before he went to bed. I couldn't find anything to hold my hair back and then I found this this now this white elastic, weird headband that had plastic slips on, like whatever shovel it up through my hair back wash my face. Oh my God came out of the bathroom. Her mother started laughing so hard. She could not breathe
and then lease of his leg, Karen you how the sanitary napkin belt on your head, the joke as I'm mad because of what it was like some old thing. I think so. I think the story was like her mom showed her like. This is what you used to have two years and then through in the bathroom drawer. Oh my god, it was some old thing she found of like LISA. Can you believe this ease to how her mom had this great Britain Boston accent? Her mom was hilarious, most beautiful story about my life. I am her mom from lost her mind loan. She saw me and your like you are the funniest girl where's, like I was just putting me in my air home, there's a wicked free from washing your face before about things: g, drought, protests as someone who was open,
Adult acne on her face right now always wants. Europe has more bent seriously it's something very hard to do once you in your, like fourth episode of Rosemary time, you're like I'm, not getting off this couch tears. That's why within arms race, at all times, you have faced wipes everywhere, going on girl tip for the lazy they'll be more those coming up with, where very lazy, thousands, It's a way that was it s story located there. You know, don't sorry that needs to be the girl who makes us amazing cartoons, less collyer extracts of US camp. Can she led lovely girl, please make whenever the story and Nobody knows I demand the ruin Kim's commenting whenever pearl is like drawing on
Mr Graham of how that you have a button, knows an amazing trick, but could you do that re use? Then people to your way. I'll. Tell me I'm pretty. While share of the sweat ran out, Mccarthy, actually texted me, but knows the other horny shouts and amateur the resigning hassock here, but he listens, he listens and loves. Maybe he sarcastically lessons? No, I think he generally listens but was being sarcastic about my button, some map, Mccarthy, or that we address the point. We are told wrestling Podcast Vila wrestling back to the store back to the murders settlement, so our demonstrating crazy, creeping fucking, weird, unlike seems, link trade. What are the chances? What are the chances? That's insane so after three more murders? Thirteen year old, named on the waste basin and twenty one year old, Alice Elizabeth Callum with his fine,
victim, which was due to his capture being an eighteen year old NAM, Karen Sue, better Benjamin on Norman Collins, a farmer for charity dude was caught, he's that young just former no, he was he was governor of his age, but he was a young man, but he was in college college age to hear, honestly like between you and me. He was what Oh that's there, the worst that's to fuck it. It's the TED Bundy thing will that's why these girls would go in his car and get on his motorcycle. He was acute college dune, not anymore he's fucking grass, but looking old photo of right. He was that's gonna, giraffe ngos guy. If a guy roles up in his leg, hey, can you help me with my thing and yeah and look creepy? People are gonna, go
I can use my very basic sensors to be like no bank, that's his automatic thing of trusting attractive face that right giving credit to being attractive, as that means you're, a good person worthy person. So what mean that people think I'm a terrible person was, I mean, an unattractive. Nobody thinks that wait you you're trying to give people rights. Always your rolling up in trying to get people do not care about you drive around about your own stuff here, just link to men. Sometimes when I say I went to therapy today I mean I pick them up and made them primarily for an hour you made them was new for an hour, get hooligan twenty bucks and dropped them. Thank you and pay, so he had been interviewed by police previously, but I've been eliminated as soon as a suspect. Part of the reason he was caught was
due to the identification by a clerk of the Whig shop, which has left victim name Karen have visited yes, this was an episode of the crown, a crime to remember the one, with the car It's like it, the one thing they knew about him like they had no idea who was for a long time, but the one thing they knew it was like a blue car. It was a motorcycle o o is that the one with the little girl gets kidnaps like from her driveway here and there and they knew the car, and it turns out once again that lived rate in the neighborhood yeah. Oh Conway, binding. Sorry, I'm a combine. I write them, so Karen the Karen I've watched you many crimes that only about the same minimize. I know so Karen I care in the last person who was murdered by him. That day the day her disappearance had visited a week shop and IRC had remember that Karen.
Was visiting a of purchase a hare peace. And. There was a young man waiting outside for her on a balloon motorcycle. Click Karen told the clerk me and man, this bums me or any she said to the clerk to observe the man with whom she had accepted a ride in cockeyed, a motorcycle stating that she had made to foolish errors in her life. Purchasing a wig and accepting a right from a stranger and then she stated I've gotta be either the bravest or the dumbest girl alive, because I've just accepted a right from the sky was Fucking chances. She was unseen, climbing under the motorcycle before writing away with him. You know that makes me think of it. Like when you got a bad feeling in your guy.
Wait a minute, that's right, and you feel like. Oh, if I just say this to one person, it'll make it less a bad feeling, a crazy and exactly reactors. Crazing does happen to me. This person assaulted, meaning or like we should be taking it seriously. Well now I just mean it more in the way of like before anything happen before anything bad happens, but you do have the thing of this isn't right like let that In that connection, I mean from your own life very fighting we spend a paper from your online file motions, I'm if I get it in a thing. I walk. I don't do this, but I think probably back when I drank. I would do it more right, but there wasn't a lot of information coming end because of gallons of whisky that I haven't. I yeah there's definitely jokes. I made that are like Ike
a date. Tonight months I wants, as with pursed this work with this person, you don't fucking now yeah and its and you're really. Actually, you should be afraid, you're nervous in your telling people and your try not to act quote unquote, weird by telling them they are vis, so you're just trying to make a joke about it. But then means- and I got married says no, but one time I did go on a date with someone I was going to date, someone and I gave his phone number to my best friend, MRS before Self, MIKE most sounds to me like hey. If I don't show up tomorrow, yeah this here's, my and fears info bia ethical, well, but also now gives a lot of you talk about this to us, which is, I don't want to leave my house. I am so anxious, I'm so nervous. I think everyone's gonna kill me or whatever, which I think is people connecting with us and people reaching out. They have heard say it their eagerness just say it to cause they're admitting it. But there's
that thing of just is just a safety precaution. Nobody cares. Nobody thinks you're weird you give that number, and then you just have a little thing in place because ass, I think it's a smart thing to do. It's just taking its being proactive, Frierson yeah, because yeah you're gonna go on a date. If you ve met a person, none of the other other alarm bells are going all right. It doesn't mean you shouldn't that's a person, you shouldn't go on a date with, because, with respect the precocious, but but yeah, but also do that thing that might feel weird, but you can do First with a friend you wanna, do it every person. You know then you're being like erotic here, but he put a little safety sharp measure up. Hell, yeah yeah, I'm ready. Except the Rhine, so that's how he wanted to one of the main ways he got caught that led to all our other evidence against him
and in August nineteen, seventy John Norman Collins was found guilty of first remark: murder of Karen his last victim, and he was sentenced. Sir life imprisonment with hard labor in solitary confinement. He never admitted his guilt and ear the murder of Karen or any of the other murders linked to the Michigan murder. He suspects committing. So they only tried him for that one crime for the one word and that they have a time evidence on, and I witnessed evidence and then he was never gonna get out, so they didn't try and for the other donors, which has to be hard when you're the family of those other victims and how many other people whether to allow here's, ok, so here's the rest of the star Ocean, so they I mean tell two thousand and two: they figured he had like seven murders in the area, but case of Jane Mixer was
better solved by the fact that John Normal Collins handed it until two thousand and two in Michigan State detectives noticed that the details on her manner, didn't match up with Collins crimes. So they took a look at the case again and they took three drops of sweat. Thou had been on Jane mixers, pantyhose and a single drop of blood that had been on her hand to be tested for dna aright DNA. Didn't match our normal cause, the Kohen killer, but it's match. Sixty two year old, Gary Layer, men who was a farmer nurse from south western Michigan, who is a drug salesmen in Michigan at the time of the murders in the air It was thought that leader, what the person who had responded to Jaynes known on the college right sure bulletin asking for a left home because Somehow
I dorm room book Look in the dorm rooms, read the words quote and mixer and Muskie again, which is where she was going and were I'm or linked to his handwriting, but that in two thousand and two that they found those or that they'd links those right, anyways, So they had the evidence, but they just hadn't gonna put any new, rather the opposite and somewhere. Yes, and then, when his house was searched, shoot where he had lived with his wife of south of twenty seven years to put worried pictures of a sixteen year old foreign exchange shouldn't, I lived with him and his wife were found. The girl was drugged, unconscious lying on his bed with her claws. Pulled back to show her junk and It was similar to the posts that Jane had been left in in the cemetery. Woe so the
twist stains linked to determine not this Earl Killer, but the drop blood found, on her hand, was links through do in DNA. To someone else. It was trade man who was at the time of the DNA match serving life in prison for murder,. The problem was ready for this. That John were well ass, whose dna much. The blood rob was four years old at the time of the Myrna right Oh, the defence argued that the state police lab had contaminated the samples when both men's dna were tested at the lab within a day of each other. Leaner means had been tested separately. He had a recent arrest for forging prescription meds from where he worked as a nurse and were well, as was for murder,.
But the cross contamination made the dna much too Liebermann. It should have made it in the end. The court case just null and void because if you find someone else's dna on this person isn't there is no way in a person can occur at the crime than the rest of the dna should be fuckin thrown out, Turn out as evidence rain, When is that only thing? That's the law that is running. I, like logic, let's logic to me: we can get that get thrown out the prosecution argued that were well ass, who, four years old at the time and a chronic nose bleed, must have been the crime scene and somehow got a drop of blood on your feet but you're making is correct as what I feel to appeal for a four year old, with bloody has wandered over to a dead body. Lay didn't argue that there is a mistake in the crime line, but Prem LAB, but but the other dna was legitimately here is why they
he said that there was a four year old boy. In the cemetery and had somehow got his blenan her that in and of itself as the creepy US thing we ve talked about. This whole episode, the idea of a four year old with bloody. No, you walk into a cemetery and stumbling upon a daddy dead, but in its absurd, but Hugh he was convicted. Who Liebermann was convicted of the murder of Jane Mixer based on them. The dna evidence and these other little basic things accordingly, the book inside the cell, the dark, a forensic dna by AIR and Murphy, which we all need: a red immediately fucking buying the analysed admitted that they routinely process samples from different cases. At the same time as well as one of the negative controls, Processed in this case, at the time that are the pantyhose sample was process that was process had become contaminated.
I could not even connected all this, but the analysed had tried to hide that fact. Oh. In addition, arose DNA. Wasn't processed. At that lab, it was sent out for testing indifferent location, but this Still were able to cross contaminated at that. LAB, where it had originated like that fuck that shit yeah right so. After minutes have dealt deliberation later, many conflicts to first to re, murdering life in prison. He minutes of deliberation, say now, So, like China worth these things like here's was heard to argue with of leader men being guilty. As that the crimes that we're talking, including mixers, had to do with ride somewhere, which was the M o of the poet killer. They all,
something tight around their necks, some of which it didn't belong to the more direct them, including Jaynes, the first for your menstruating just fucking and sand bitter. They were all left in locations where they would eventually be found on purpose. They out. Connected to the university, which I mean. If you live in an era of this kind are not two yards of university town, a lot of them are strangled and the fifth known victim was shot in the head as well, so wasn't totally against his email, but at the same time the Missouri here those murders he was never tracking affected. For so it's not like, we can say that he did definitively man? but according to the Germans, remain college later owned and liked to shoot at twenty two caliber and he was obsessed with cereal martyrs, so it's kind of the nth it's kind of this
any it reminds me of making a murderer were it's like. I don't know, is guilty or innocent, but he shouldn't have been prosecuted based on these. Pieces of eminent yeah. That's right, and that's really the only thing you have at the end of the day. Everything else is by us and circumstance and kind of judgment yeah, and it was two thousand and two at the height of like CSI, being a big thing and everyone thinking DNA was like the and I'll be all and not realizing that so much of it like I witnessed testimony. Was flawed because it was because human error people modern meaningless, covering up here is like good God. So that's. That's crazy here so
you. You believe that leader men should not be in jail for me. You think that that last death at the woman was found on the graveyard is a coward killer. I don't think I can say that definitively. I think there should have been more evidence to try I feel like a now in two thousand and sixteen. We should go back and look at What other? Whenever other evidence we can find and dna tests, those other victims that we are turning to the current killer, the cross reference them with Jane Mixer and see what really happened. But I dont I can't say definitively that he should be left out. I just think in the same way, Stephen Airy was like the should get a new trial and you know cereal and on SAM I should be that you can't you can't convicts someone especially when they have shot defence. Based on these basic things, that
you now in the future. Working Alaska, as I now and a kitten Future could be like for you. Re right am exist as an anti seems not that long ago, right it's so she is a huge difference. Becomes a like scientific evidence in this network, think. Where is it? bloody four year old plays into this I mean that's them up, That's it. That's the only reason I'm talking about this murder is because that is so fucking insane and so clearly, Human error of cross contamination in the lab, like I believe that the trial went forward yeah after that was found out that lawyer, when he found TAT out that that's what that blood spatter was he asked of them so stoked dead, the defence, HU. I do not, however, just like this is. I think
the defence of big reveal of like as this blood as well as for your old. The defence should have been Stoke too at that was that I found a four year olds blood who had been whose dna had been tested in the same lab before, but for some reason he didn't pursue that an accident in the trial to convince the jury that Thou was fucking insane because of the time you like your saying, it's like DNA is a lock, yeah as prosecutors were, good, I'm sure, we'll and I'll see you get somebody it's like you know. People, want a thing like that people want that story finished period. They want their I closed up and they want somebody to pay here and that's her. Position, you know, we ve that same way yeah or it's just erase what's happening or like somebody get us and just ass the justices such a forum
the term. So this week, I'm going back to my tried and true, which is I'm going to tell you one of my favorite purposes device arrived too. I never have never to issue. So please do and will this one? I love because this plays on. If you you, if you have some home alone as a young lady fares, this gonna, causing problems so spoiler alert a trigger alert, scary, scary alert. No, it has all these pieces and the first time I saw this on I survived. I was like Ripping the couch I was so a freak out, so essentially it goes. A little son like this It's April brawl fifteenth ninety. Ninety five and oh young bride
beautiful, successful twenty five year old young lawyer, named Jennifer Morey, is goes out and has a drink with her friends after work. One night big mistake, her fault. She goes she's at the local ale house, all her friends are there. She doesn't want to go at first, they convinced or to stay chance of having a great time and she stays until midnight. Then our friend rise or home, and she lives in an apartment, complex, come by you park in Houston, and the reason that she picked this apartment complex to move into was because it was all about security, and it had not just
like you know, with the apartment security guards there are they actually hired, Pinkerton Pinkerton Security go to to work at this place to go back in time, but still no, they ve been around that's along moving around still like a major company militia, so name means a lot to people and security. So that's why pick that apartment building to live, and so she goes home at midnight goes in let's say she washed her face, which is what you should do before you got a bad ladys, so she goes in, gets really forbad goes to bed. Turns out all the lights. Wake. Therefore, I am there's someone on top of her now yeah I get ready for this long. It's gonna be this. The whole time cared so there's someone straddling her and She can feel something on her neck
and she realizes puppy. Someone know is not she realizes someone's broken door apartment and their attempting to rape her she's. She can't figure out if she's dreaming at first it's normal in between feelings, I only when she becomes fully wake and she realizes someone straddling her. They ve, the knife to throat and they're going to raper. She just starts fighting for her, so she does every. She can she is she fights this guy? She grabs the knife all this stuff. The crazy shit and he's fighting him so hard that here That's her from the cheek bones, the middle of her neck, any slices her neck, so is she keeps on fighting butts? Suddenly it gets very slippery and there's blood everywhere and
finally is she starts losing blood and, like the fight goes out of her. Now he takes by the hair, and he pulls her across out of the bag. Across the room throws or into the bathroom. And says you stand here and you do not move any slammed the door and so she throws, threw back up against the door in the bathroom she grubs washcloth and she puts it up against her wound pressure. Some pressure, when you have a woman like that I'm a girl. She does her feet up against the wall and she's like jammed herself there. So he can't come back in the air and then she sits there and weights and listens and she hears him zip his pants up. And then she went and then she heard the door closed and then she wait a little bit longer everywhere to make sure, and then she,
to open the door and she can't open the door, there's so much blood on her hands that she cannot get a grip on the door lying at it and pulling out than share. She says in the story. She actually started laughing because it was like. Oh, this is gonna die she's. One of us I get stuck. I get stuck in the bathroom in that I can't get help. So finally, she gets out should be acts that are open. She gets out she fumbles to throw on the hallway light. The lights are dead, man she crawls she gets. The phone found No, no, no yeah! So then, finds herself on its own, if she brings back into the matter and she calls I'm online, so night. A man named a Richard ever it was working was the dispatcher. He had just gotten onto his shift from about heroes, rural areas,
So this is for em, and this started. So, so I guess he's starting a very early morning: shoved them men, maybe mental, and I met him so he explained to him what's happened and he it just start telling her you're gonna be fine, just trial, they com, don't talk that much which is keeping the cops and the ambulance are on their way right now there are to be there really soon. You know it had listened with us right now. There's no fuckin way would ever listened to other alone and she's saying I'm bleeding so much you. Please make sure they hurry whatever he's like they're they're coming there as fast as they can just hold that Wash you're gonna be ok, and so after, like ten, that's he's just talking down and she's, actually start in a calm down and she's feeling. Ok, there's a knock at the door, no, no, no so she's like their someone's knocking at the door and he
like who is it? She is world a so she yells from the bathroom who is it? And he says this is brand Gibson. The security guard. That's on on duty tonight now I just got attacked by a guy who jumped off your balcony Are you? Ok is a true as a true and she doesn't know so she's like he. He goes our uk you, you should let me n and Now- and she goes on ok, I'm talking to name one one right now and then about your online one. One goes wait what's going on and she was no it's. Ok, it's a security guard. He wants me let him in and
Richard Everett, for no reason you forgot goes, do not let him in the door and she has no it's Pinkerton security cats, the whole apartment, like that's the set up here, and he goes he he said, here's the thing we haven't notified security department complex yet so as they have a police scanner He had a heavy sigh, someone jump another doesn't matter. What is he going to do? I don't know about that story, but he goes. We just don't know what that India. So just don't let a man
so she's like I'm, not gonna, let you in right now the guys like it. I swear. It's! Ok, I'm here's! My badge, you know, like he's seen to help you are you you, you know. Are you bleeding there's blood out here? You know. I want to make sure that you're. Ok, when she's, like I'm fine, the cops are on the way he's like I know I can hear the alarms. You know I know CPR. I can help you whatever any end, and he goes I'm sorry. I just the dispatchers as to Denver something you should let a man and she's like arcade. I'm really scared. Armstrong was blood. I'm getting my head in Amerika Coochie twins, this historic firing like what a fine. What, if I pass out and the door's locked the kick it spam and
oh he's just he just keep socking toronaeans like just listen to the sound of my voice. I am watching them cops drive up the street. They are three minutes away. That's all just have to hang on for three more minutes and meanwhile the guys like Jennifer. Can you talk to me? Are you ok, you know, can you just let me in and so even if he was supposed me there. He wouldn't be so insistent he went economy like well, but it's a woman whose bleeding and there's blood it's like. Clearly, there's a scenario now, if you are security are yeah and you knew woman had just gotten attacked or the night you kicked it or down and she's in their bleeding out and freaking out and not letting anybody help her. You might take yeah, but Richard like I don't know, so just don't do it well, then
knocking starts getting harder me like you, need to let me in here, and she then she's sturdy forget, because now she doesn't trust. Anybody has no idea what to do, but then suddenly she hears the sailing the sirens in the background, so she knows the play and he's like. Do you hear the sirens they are? They are coming up the driveway rugs she's. I guess if he does so the ambulances there, like you're, going you're fine, suggest, keep that Georgia and you'll be fine. Will the knocking stop but we're gonna go it's totally silent outside the doors now she's more stereo. What the fuck is that, when the cops pull up to this apartment, complex ace, security Guard Brian, Gibson meets the out there and he is a mess. He is bleeding from his right hand, there, on his face, there's blood on his uniform, her any
Elsa police, historic that he walked up. He saw guy, he jumped down from her second story: balcony men intact him. They got into this fight and the guy ran off into the woods language into a field over on the side, and he didn't see where he went and then he went up to check on the lady who will not let a man whose freaking out right so the capture like alright stay here sounds good. They starch everything out There's no trail entered the grasses doing no six am you know nothing so they're like get that guy and put him in a room about area. They go up to Jennifer's apartment that the ambulance has already taken her away of Chinese going to live democratic, as the show was called. I survive. She told the story herself with a big scorn, act, she's gone just this woman is like gorgeous and a lawyer, so cheese, the baddies, killing at here the key let's go into her apartment. There's blood everywhere there is also a
curtain, hat and there's men's underwear on the ground and a night farm. So they pick up all this shit and they go back down to brain Gibson, skirt the Pinkerton security Guard that works there. How is it in there and they say: can you take your shirt off? Please? And he's like: no, I know it's my I was actually the one that was attacked narrowly. Take your shirt off, there's Clarks all over his body. My he's not wearing underwear, Nope He is shaved, his pure care, ah, no pubic care. Meaning no hair left behind. That's exactly right until now have because he was the person the sick, pretty girl now at the apartment building where she lived did he accused everywhere was not well. He didn't have oh yeah,
so how keys to get and arouse masters way or some key or he could have like. I mean he had total access. Oh sorry, shit. That was the most upsetting thing. I've ever know no, but I just forget it it's. He was calling her by her first name when he was talking to her when he was first on her. Which I think has one another. The other reasons she got so freaked out and fought so hard is because it's like what the fuck is going on, guess how much I'm sleeping tonight, zero. But she survived, our air, so they arrest him. They he gets, twenty years for did murder when what the fuck
and he's on parole now Y know, I'm a fucking in Texas Jump off my second story: balcony he's on Poland. Taxes when is attempted murder going to be treated like what it was intended to be. The leg, murder, Amy, murder rate. There is so troubling, Semi Bennets Ike. Well, you didn't get away with it. Caesar noggin. Has she live right, simply get us. She fought, so you you don't you don't deserve the punishment of what you are intending to fucking do well and also the cops are positive that if she had led him in when he came back at this time to quota quote check on heard or he would have killed her and picked up all his shit. He louder land totally there's that is absolutely there. The cops are positive. That's so did you what's the name of the guy that then dispatcher did he ventured ever at all of the ribbons and what not there still friends to this day, he went to her wedding
Yeah they're there close friends yeah and she, he talks about him when, in her episode of I survived she, the way she talked about him is like one of the swedish things you ever saying can do because he and the worst moment of her life like saved her light. Yet essentially in that way, that lake did beautiful things happen to hideous fucking there and she went on to become the trauma supports or the director of trauma support services of North Texas gorgeous and she I read a thing she got one around spoke. I mean it was twenty fifteen. I think, when the article, what their clothes from twenty thirteen or twenty fifty she was going around speaking at schools and telling people bauble things happen and last, but it's all about what you're prepared, how your prepared for them, and basically she gave this talk that was kind of like the stuff
talk about what you like running scenarios and thinking about these things can action help you not panic and not completely lose when something really upsetting happens, because you ve kind of run a scenario. You know where your cell phone as you eat, you have things plant, you know we're flashlights are like you. Have things planned out a little bit, so you at least can put a plan together. It's a good way to like to make sense of hearing rioting and that like well, maybe someday this anxiety or this thing that mean thinking about. These awful things happening is going to make me better and a situation where I need to know fucking panic, because I'm already round the slurry through my head, yet also it can take away from that, like you, don't need to be yourself up for thinking about a? U dont need to tell yourself you're crazy, we're about it, you're smart for thinking about it and your empowered for thinking about it and you you're taking action. It's not! You know you
have to live in it and shut the door. You go out in your life, knowing that your armed with information and then having an awareness, security that you, you know you ve done as much as you can with your anxiety to prepare yourself but you're, not letting and take over your life yeah and get in the way like remember, you're, not gonna, never leave the house again because you are aware release fucking terrible thing to happen. Will then also it's like this? Isn't a story about how all security guards are evil rang a lot of them do just as good shit as Richard Everett than I'm woman dispatch added a lot of them have yo good image that good intentions of I took this job because I want to help people for this exact reason, but you take it on a case by case basis. So if you meet a person, you get the weird feeling in yoga. Absolutely trust yourself and just get out of their energy mean you, don't that's, that's that's about it to the individual, are immersed with knowledge, but don't let that. Our while meal,
and also take a break everyone's alone. Like the other day, some girls, like I hadda she tweeted. I had a hard day at work, drink wine and watch. I serve I've and I wrote back drink wine and watch Bob's burger. If I really had a bad day were lie. That's a great suggestion. Take a break watch, fuckin, rosemary and time words, lotta, nice flowers, lotta, great accents and chill you kid. Don't live in a lake dink, leg visit and then and then go somewhere else for awhile. That's beautiful! Take it have a glass of wine into and watch Bob's burgers as like modest, is the only It makes me so how it is the most picture, positive. It's a family, That loves each other, that's funny that that perfect at all, and
It's hilarious! Lane of all my six year old nephew is obsessed with Bob's burgers. The songs they rate for that are the best comedy songs their aria. It is my favorite how they come up with those every episode: Ozma, whoever their musical. I should look at our Yahoo over their musical director as fucking straight up. One thousand propaganda. Let's and that's Karen. Those you tell those stories so well, it's like I'm, not cheating there when I am how are you wouldn't know, business partners more? Some of the time I just retail tv shows that you sent them, but you tell them, you don't read them. That's true, because I've seen that one Jennifer's I've watched probably five times BS, she tells it it's.
So compelling sheets should so real chief is upset at certain points. She's very angry and my very self righteous a certain points. It's a fucking, ah something to behold alert she's. A great survivor utility me like we're on a party together whereas like if I did mine, it would be like so many missing a woman's out, because I can't remember half the share that, like I have the kind of like go off my own notes, which I don't copy and paste. But now I live with them. Yeah, but I mean I'm just copy her story out, I mean us that's stories you just yet that's island territories is just both of my parents. That's all they did we're sitting by the fire. Cave men to Caveman, slimmer, fire, tales is all this time. The only thing we have to eat our cookies oh Did it, someone come running from
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