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You said, hell no. And welcome. Did we just start a new thing? To my favorite murderer. Year eight, that's Georgia Hartstark. That's Karen Kilgariff. - New intro. - We are pros. - This is the time to change things. - I don't know. Yeah. We were ever gonna change things. Hell no! I mean... Feels that way right now. Hell no, I'm at home now. There's a hell no energy about things. Let's feel that for a second. Just breathe, breathe. Into it. I have cookie news for you right off the bat. Okay. So you know, Vince likes to buy like special Edition of regular things, you know, like this like special edition flavor of these jelly beans, whatever.

So my favorite cookie is the Milano, the mint Milano specifically. -Hell yes. -I fucking love that thing. Comes home the other day with a special edition flavor of London Fog, which is fucking Earl Grey, tea. Yes, don't make that face. Yes, it's tea. It's a British cookie. You can eat it with your British procedurals. Wait, are you telling me you liked it? I loved it. - Is there any mint in there? - No, no, it's just a Milano. And then- - Chocolate with some tea? - It's like a tea- Latte basically earl grey vanilla and chocolate. No Oh, tea. If I keep saying tea like that, will you get it? - Oh, that's like the cartoon. - A chroma finger that goes under my nose and goes, Oh, wait, tea. - It's just like dipping a cookie in tea. Like that's the best.

Is the actual action of it. But my thing is oftentimes when they try to recreate those things as flavors, as we've experienced with a lot of our like Thanksgiving jellybean experiences or whatever, we're just like, what is in my mouth right now? 'Cause this isn't dipping and I have strong tea feelings. Anyway. You know, I haven't finished the bag yet and usually when it comes home, those mint ones, I finish them within two nights. So easy. They're the easiest cookie to eat. They literally melt in your mouth. They crunch. They're so crunchy. I'm sure I've said this at some point in these past eight years. They were the cookie that my mom had her fancy. We've talked about this, right? The fancy dessert was a scoop of ice cream. Mint Milano cookies and some sort of raspberry drizzle. Yes, that's amazing.

Except for Laura and I would go in and eat the two levels of cookie underneath and just leave them empty. And so when she'd go to make it, she'd be like, there's literally four or three of these cookies left you assholes. And we'd just be like, well then buy better treats. Bags next time yeah how about getting to thinking of your children so anyway that's a precious yeah plain Milano to me is like companies coming over show up. I was about to begin. Oh, yeah, everything's great the men just It's like an Andes mint, but like in a cookie form, which I thought was the classiest fucking thing I'd ever seen an Andes mint when I was a kid on the way out of Restaurant. So thin. Oh my god. Oh my god folded in foil. Foil? What do you have? I have a bag of foil that I've kept. Up since 1981. I wonder if there are people who are like Andy's candy experts.

What are the other candies that Andes makes? I don't know. I think it'd be pretty easy to be an expert on those. You're just like, look, it's a tiny bar. - It's chocolate and mint. - It's a mint tiny chocolate bar. - I don't know what else you need. Trying to complicate things. - What else do you need? Oh wait, I'm gonna tell you about something. 'Cause we watched a TV show last night. That genuinely scared me, but on regular, not on regular TV, it was streaming, but it's a TV show called. The scare and it's about a woman who is a LAPD detective right during the Rodney King riots and there's a serial killer in the neighborhood and it is so unnervingly scary like there's just a couple scenes where you're like it's like So good and so it's like horror series. Like it starts off like, Oh, I guess

that this is gonna be, it has a little bit of a Jordan Peele movie vibe where you're like, you know, like, it's creepy. And it's like unnerving. But there's also commentary and you're like, holy shit, I never thought of it this way. But it's this is way Scarier. Is it like always nighttime? I'm thinking like it's always night and dark. Kind of. I mean because that's like the vibe, the overall vibe. Is that you have if well I don't know it's more for the people who are closer to horror fans because it's like much closer to horror I watch it yeah I don't think things can watch it then no no it's very it there was one scene that scared it was me and Zach Noe Toward And it scared both of us real bad. Like, I was like, should we turn the lights on and like stop watching this for a second? It was like so creepy. Yeah, it's really good. I want to watch it. And then I do the dumb thing of like, Well, Vince doesn't want to watch it, so I'll watch

And then I watch him when he's gone and fucking scare the shit out of myself. For this one, do not do that. It takes place in Los Angeles, even though it's the past. It's very familiar and you know what's going on and you know the bad things that are gonna happen. It's-- - Oh my God, okay. Here's one you can watch while Vince is gone. It's an Olivia Colman movie called Wicked Little Letters, and it is so good. And-- - Of course it is. Familiar when you start watching it, it's real good. Okay, okay, that's the one, that's the one. Yeah, that's the one you gotta watch. It's Olivia Colman and... Jesse Buckley who you've seen her in a bunch of stuff and you love her and stuff. She's so interesting. Okay. She's great. Yeah. Should we just... Move on do we have anything sure? Okay. That's all I have to report. Do you have any?

Any recommendations or just cookies? Just a Milano cookie? Milano, the jinx is good. I don't know. There's, you know, the usual. Let's move it on. Hey, we have a podcast. Now it's called Exactly Right Media. Here are some highlights. - This week, Curt and Scotty's guest on bananas is. Megan Gailey and they're going to discuss all the world's wackiest news over there. To listen to bananas. If you haven't listened to it, it is your go to. These are things that are happening in the world, but they're so obscure and crazy and bizarre that they really do. It's the news, but it's like an escape from the news. - It is. Also Karen mentioned this last week, but the 12th. Season of Tenfold More Wicked with Kate Winkler-Dawson is here. It's called A Blessing and a Curse and it covers a host of atrocities in Fall River, Massachusetts, years before Lizzie Made the town famous. Also, America's sweetheart Bridger Weinegger is in the car with Chris and I on Do You Need

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A human torso inside. Hours later, half a mile away, there's an employee At a local marina and they find a second black duffel bag floating under a dock. Inside they a human head. And then there's a marine biologist surveying an island in the same river and they find a third black duffel bag. That also has human remains inside. So all three of these people contact police who conduct of the river, divers find a total of nine duffel bags, all contained in a bag of Dismembered body parts. And they ultimately identify these remains as belonging to three different people. Elderly married couple named Ivan and Annette Steinman and a 22 year old woman named Selena Bishop the police are baffled because at first This time and since Selena Bishop have no connection, but when they start questioning Selena's friends, they zero out.

Throw in on one person all three victims have crossed paths with. That's Selena's charismatic boyfriend, Jordan, except his name isn't. Jordan. His real name is Glenn Taylor Hilzer and he... Leaves himself to be a cult leader. This is the story of Glenn Taylor Helzer and the Children of Thunder. - Oh my God. Uh huh. So the sources used for today's story are an article from Cracked by a writer named Dan Fritsche and an article from The Mercury News by a writer named Cameron McDonald and an article from SF Gate by Damien Bulwa and the rest of the sources are in our show notes. So the that we're talking about today is named Glenn Taylor Helzer. He's born on July 26, 1970 in Lansing, Michigan. Soon after His family moves to Martinez, California. He is the oldest of three children. He has a younger sister named Heather and a younger sister named

brother named Justin and they are all raised in the Mormon faith. So Glenn, Grows up and he is very charming and outgoing, so much so that he starts going by his middle name Taylor. 90s of him to change his name to Taylor. His little brother, Justin, is actually more of an introvert and Taylor is Not very nice about it. He constantly tells Justin that he's number one and Justin's number two. Like he's clearly he's probably a sociopath. He has that kind of like, I'm gonna beat you at all costs energy about him, but he's also like, Everybody's gonna beat you. Likes him. People seem to be very drawn to him. So after high school, Taylor has a brief stint in the National Guard in Texas before He serves his two-year Mormon mission in Brazil. When his little brother Justin serves his two-year mission, he's sent to Texas, and afterwards he gets--

A job as a cable installer. So when Taylor completes his mission in the early 90s, he Francisco and gets a job working as a stockbroker for Morgan Stanley Dean Witter. And then In April of 1993, he marries his wife Anne, who is also a devout Mormon. Together but soon Taylor feels very confined by leading this strict religious kind of typical life. He doesn't want to be so pent up in the Mormon faith anymore. He wants to go out and be with normal people. In his mind, which is basically people who don't have to live within the strictures of the Mormon faith. So, unfortunately, Fortunately for his wife Anne, that means him living a life filled with affairs and drug use and he stops

bathing as much. He starts wearing all black, which definitely stands out in the Mormon community. Three years into their marriage in 1996, Taylor and Ann get a divorce. Basically The drug use kind of elevates and it's in this time that Taylor decides that he's developing his own Religion, his own belief system, and he likes to talk about it and talk through it when he's on drugs. Oh God. Right? Just the worst. The quickest way to make charm wear off. Let's talk about the religion. Pitch your new your new religion when you're high the main premise of This philosophy he's developing is that good and evil don't actually exist. Most of society is primitive for thinking that they do. Taylor has a cousin named Chai Hoffman, who he. Gets high with, even though he knows that his cousin struggled with his mental health and has

been hospitalized for it in the past. Taylor's actually very fascinated by Chai's experience in a mental hospital and Chai later... Recalls there was a few times when he would act really crazy and then stop and ask was that how the people in the hospital Creepy. That's very psychopath-like trying on masks weirdness. Totally. But I'm not an expert. So then in August of 1998, Taylor has a nervous breakdown. He is diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Chooses to ignore the doctor's treatments and instead he begins to self-medicate. Of this he loses his job he's excommunicated from the LDS church and basically all of these drastic life changes happening so close together seem to kind of radicalize Taylor further. He starts telling people he's actually a prophet who can talk to God. So.

Despite all of that, interestingly, he's still in touch with some members of the Mormon community that he used to know. So he and his brother Justin are actually Invited to a Mormon-hosted murder mystery dinner party on Memorial Day, which is May 31st of 1999. Did I do that? I mean, I guess so. I guess it's good, clean fun in a way. Sure. So they're of course welcomed to this party. But Taylor arrives dressed in all black, which is very uncommon for people in the LDS. Also keeps bringing up his strange new religious beliefs, which is also frowned upon. His little brother Justin basically looks up to his older brother, wants to be just like him. And so he's also going along with this idea that Taylor is a prophet. He's yes-anding him all the way through this party. So basically the two of them just kind of become like...

The weirdo outcast at this party. But there is a third person who also feels like a misfit at this party. Year old woman named Dawn Godman. Dawn grew up in Sutter Creek, California, which is a tiny little town. And she Has always been on the social fringes. She got married at age 18. She had a son die soon after childbirth. And then she lost custody of her other son when her ex-husband reported to a judge that she was living in her car. She attempted to take her life, overdosing Pills, she'd just been through a bunch of horrible stuff and had a very hard time of it. So in the... Wake of this ordeal, she decides to move in with a family member in Martinez is to get

The area and you know kind of start over again and she's looking for a new community and that's when she starts she basically goes to the Mormon church and she starts hanging out with them but She isn't really accepted into the circle. She's just kind of hanging out. So when she first sees The Hilzer brothers at this party, they start talking to her and Taylor starts Explaining his religious theories and he actually has a name for it at this point. It's developed enough He calls it the 12 principles of magic and they Are these one, I'm already perfect and therefore can do nothing wrong. Two, There's no such thing as right and wrong. Three, I'm all powerful and therefore the creator of and accountable for everything that occurs in my life. Four, Life is always right. I embrace all of my results. Five, all of my results I've created to learn from at some level.

Nothing I believe nothing I simply perceive without fear. 7. It is of no concern to me how accurate or inaccurate my perceptions are and their I am always right. That's a little theme running through here. Eight unconditional fearless love is the most powerful force in the universe. Nine spirit. Knows. Ten, I gain control by losing all control. I mean we're like... We're going from like a plaque at home goods to like a teenager's notebook that they're writing like you know in rock and roll letters it's like uh 11 life is such a precious gift and when i give back to life immediately life gives more back to me and therefore i am forever in its debt what goes around Comes around. Twelve, there's a higher power than mine and that is my savior Jesus Christ, the son of my father. So he is doing a little, okay, a little bit of the classics. There's that guy. Yeah. Yeah. But.

Jesus, he was kind of anti there's no such thing as right and wrong. That was not his thing at all. Right, yeah. You should have let an editor look at that before you published it. Yeah. Or you shouldn't be an editor if you claim to care about these thoughts in the first place. But overall, I mean, I don't have to tell you this. Dawn is immediately hooked on Taylor's religion and his vision. And then she and Justin start dating. Eventually the three of them move into a house in the nearby city of Concord. And Justin basically become Taylor's followers calling themselves the Children of Thunder. Of Dawn's initiation into this group requires that she take a self-awareness seminar that's acquaintance of Taylor's and it'll sound familiar too. She has to join a small group of people who are locked in a windowless room for four days while the

Rogers them with intrusive questions to confront their inner demons. And many are pushed to the point of emotional breakdown and leave sobbing. All that Sinan on started. It's the it's the thing that ran through from like the I guess Sixties on where it's like we're gonna do the opposite of what most psychologists say is good for people and we're gonna confront you in front of a... Group and break you down and that'll get that's best for you but ultimately. I think what we've learned over the past 60 years is that's actually the beginning of a cult almost every time. Right. This is radical therapy and it's totally different. It's like no, it's actually like ancient use screaming in someone's face, you know, and it's not helpful. Yeah. So Dawn-- Reaches the third level of this seminar and that's when Taylor jumps in he's going to personally facilitate her lessons.

Taylor now has Don completely under his spell. He already has his brother under his spell. They all live together. They abide by his every word. He's completely in charge. Then in January of 2000, Taylor tells Don, quote, Spirit's telling me it's time you get to know everything, end quote. And by every-- everything, he means that he's going to explain the ultimate mission of this religion he's made up. And that is to assassinate the leaders of the Mormon church, take over as the... Church's sole leader and start a self-help group called Transform America to defeat Satan and expedite the second coming of Jesus Christ. Expedite the second coming of Jesus Christ sounds like And you're in an office setting and they're like we need to get make this happen but can you actually do that no you can't expedite

No, the Lord's plans. I mean, like, yeah, this isn't UPS. It doesn't. Yeah, a lot of it doesn't make sense. But it's also like, he's going to kill the Of the Mormon Church, but then he's gonna take over, like everyone's gonna be like, great, now you're in charge. I'm sure you're gonna be great at that after you kill the leaders of the Mormon fucking temple. Like what the fuck? Right a self-help group because that's people Need that. So basically, Taylor's planning on using his connections from when he went to Brazil for his Mormon mission. His idea, he's going to recruit. Brazilian children. He's going to bring them to California, traffic them to California. To train them to carry out these assassinations. So basically some... Child soldiers will come and do the dirty work for him. I guess to be extra creepy.

But to do this, they're going to need money. So before Children of Thunder can begin their work, they need cash to pay for the training. And for the travel. So they start brainstorming ideas of how to get money. Taylor comes up, and this is going to blow your mind because it's very different than the other ideas he's had. Says why don't we start a drug and sex trafficking ring that targets wealthy businessmen. Perfect. Oh, let's expedite that. I love that idea. Right? Let's get God to expedite your drug and sex. Trafficking ring. Okay, so they actually go and this part made me laugh and made me think of you. They actually go the three of them to raves and start handing out flyers to women Who they think would make good sex workers to work in this trafficking ring. Holy shit. 1999? I think I was done by then. Okay, good. That's actually-

relief and it's also relief no one takes them up on this they're clearly three weirdos acting weird everywhere they go whether it's at a rave or at a mormon dinner party everyone's like huh what Who would play them in a made-for-tv movie? Like what do they look like? I mean I'm loving a Michael Cera. For the part of Taylor, because you wouldn't expect it, right? - Oh, the main, like the cult leader is Michael Cera, unassuming, it seems. - And kind of charming with a gleam in his eye, but then like also dead eyed. And wanting to hire Brazilian child soldiers. Yeah, wow. And then I guess also maybe... From a rest of development. It could just be the rest of development. That's the job. That's who I'm casting. I love it. Let's do it. Let's make that. Let's do it. So no one takes him up on this that kind of gets you know waylaid that whole plan gets waylaid

and is to invest in fast food restaurants and then manipulate the stock market by vandalizing the restaurants and shorting out their stock. Know much about the stock market. I don't think that's a way to short stock. No, I don't think you fuck with a franchise and the whole stock falls apart. I don't think that's how that works. No, because if that's... Were true, McDonald's stocks would be in the gutter because the ice cream machine is always broken. Am I right, ladies and gentlemen? Local jokes get local work. Okay. To make That plan happen, he would have to buy some franchises, which means he needs seed money. So he decides to abandon that idea, then he comes up with plan number three. So he knows and remembers that he had a lot of elderly clients at his old stockbroker job. So he thinks he'll extort former clients. That he's already earned the trust of, so he can then rip them off. And that's his fast.

Back to money land. But of course he's going to have to launder that money. If they write him checks, he's going to have to launder it somehow. So he turns To an unsuspecting outsider for help, and that is his very young girlfriend, 22 year old. Selena Bishop. The two met at a rave in the spring of 2000. And selena is a waitress at the local two bird cafe and she like most people people very charmed instantly by Taylor except for she thinks his name is Jordan. He tells her his name is Jordan. Selena's friends and family don't see it. They don't get it. She's head over heels in love with this guy. He seems uninterested in meeting the people in her life like he's just kind of mysterious and never around and then when he finally does show up to uh like a Run gathering, he gives everyone the creeps. So everyone's kind of confused. I've met those guys on my

friends have dated before for sure. They're everywhere. Everyone does that where you're like, I'm I have vision. I'm dating someone interesting. Yeah. You don't know what it's Like when it's just me and him alone, he's different. - Right. So Selena and her mother, a woman named Jennifer Valerian, close. So Jennifer's genuinely like perplexed when she can't get to know Jordan, who's Actually Taylor. So Jordan helps Lena move out of her mom's house and into her own one bedroom apartment in June of 2000. So Jennifer drops by announced just to be like, Hey, how are you like just to get her eyes on this person? Yeah, gotta right. They speak briefly. And That exchange Jennifer decides that her daughter's new boyfriend seems like a real nice kid. She gets good vibes from him. She's like, Great, I just wanted to... too, before you. Went out into the world, you know, give a little approval. So in July...

Of 2000 Jordan tells Selena, it's Taylor, tells Selena that His grandmother has just passed away and that he's about to inherit a ton of money, but he doesn't want his ex-wife making a claim on him. The inheritance. So the best way for him to hide that money would be if Selena would open a couple bank accounts. Jordan can have some access to. She is like, yes, she buys everything he says she wants the best for him. She goes and does it. And And she does, the final step of the plan is in place for him to be able to launder the cash. So Taylor now is... Able to begin stealing money from his old clients. So this is how they do it. And it's, you know, clear. Really drugs are at play here. Clearly mental illness is also at play here where there's just a, his vision.

Of reality is not aligned with reality. And, you know, the beginning of the story, it's kind of funny or it's like, oh, that's so quirky and weird. This is the part where it just gets absolutely depraved and awful and depressing. Okay. So on July 30th, 2000, Taylor and Justin knock on the door of their first intended victim, who was a former client. Of tailors living in Walnut Creek. But by the grace of God, that— Person is not home when they knock. So the brothers move on to the next one on Taylor's list and that is Ivan and Annette Steinman. They are an elderly married couple and Their home is in Concord, California, and it's actually just down the street from the rental home that Taylor and Justin and Justin's girlfriend are all renting together. So it's actually close by.

Show up wearing suits, you know, trying to be professional. So the assignments, there's on the door, they open it up, they see their old broker standing there and they welcome inside him inside the home. Why wouldn't they? What they don't know is that Justin's going... - Friend Dawn is waiting in a truck outside. So once Taylor and. Justin get into the Steinman's home, their demeanor completely changes. Steinman's back out into the Steinman's minivan and drive them back to their own rental house and there they force Annette to call the manager of the Concord branch of the office. Taylor used to work the Morgan Stanley Dean Witter and she asks to liquidate her retirement fund what? so the kid them and they're like holding them hostage and make holy sh- that was the plan. Jesus. Yes. It's chaotic. It is

It's ridiculous. And the manager would later recall that Annette sounded nervous over the phone, but he does fulfill her request. So that goes through and then they force feed the couple Dose of Rohypnol and basically demand that they write two checks one for $33,000 and another for $67,000 both made out to Selena Bishop. So Taylor gave-- This Steinman's Such a huge dose of drogues that he thought that the dose would kill them both But then he sees that they are not dead And so he tells Justin they have to finish the job. And the details are... Just awful. There's no point being detailed on it. They're both murdered and like they just purely for money just doing it.

They have this plan that is just as ridiculous. They actually adopt... Rottweilers because they think that their Rottweilers will eat human flesh and they think that they can Once they kill people just feed the bodies to these dogs. Of course, that is not something those dogs would do. So when that doesn't work, Taylor tells Justin that he has to dismember the bodies and put them into several black duffel bags. He's gonna do it while Taylor goes and meditates and listens to the spirit. So Taylor doesn't have to get any blood on his hands and he just makes his brother do it. So then Dawn puts on an insane disguise and this doesn't even make sense, it makes me think that somewhere in her mind she wanted to get caught because she

has to go in into the bank to deposit those checks. So she wears a lime green track suit, red boots, a gold cowboy hat and large sunglasses. And she goes in in a wheelchair. - Wow. - And she tells the bank teller, she's a friend of Selena's that Selena got this money from her grandmother for a heart surgery that she's having. Dawn is just trying to be a good friend and help her by depositing the money while Selene is in the hospital. the dumbest... Of all time in the weirdest outfit of all time. Drugs. And the checks are successfully deposited. No. It smells like drugs and no sleep. Right? It's drugs. To a degree where they should have been caught multiple times because it's ludicrous. So then a couple days after that Selena is able to withdraw the cash with no problem. So even though it

It's obviously very rudimentary. Their money laundering scheme actually worked. Yeah. I mean, I guess in the year 2000, it was probably a lot more simple, right? The bank system getting money out and everything. Yeah, right. That's, I think it's like on the cusp of the internet right at the beginning. Yeah. So nothing is really... I mean, maybe I have no idea, but it's just the costume, that whole thing, and just like, what are we talking about? But also I think maybe it would have been harder for her to do if she was trying to get a withdrawal out of the bank. But since she was just depositing money, maybe it was just like, well, I don't know. A couple days later, Taylor and Selena meet up for a date at the Bison Brewing Company in Berkeley. Planning to leave for a camping trip to Yosemite the next day, but they're meeting up now so that Selena can hand over the cash that she's just gotten out of the bank.

Bartender who saw them that night Selena seems far more interested in Jordan Taylor than he does As in her. She doesn't notice this at all. She seems very happy to be with him. The next On August 3rd, 2000, Taylor and Selena stopped by Taylor's house to grab supplies for their camping trip. They're there. Taylor suddenly offers to give Selena a massage. He has her lay face down on the living room floor. And begins massaging her. And then Justin walks in with a hammer and hits her over the head. And then Taylor drags her into the bathroom and he slits her throat. Oh God. So he was of course planning to kill her all along. Like it's, it's just. So dark she's so young yeah and just like in love with her probably first or second

Boyfriend like yeah of adulthood. It's so dark. There's some really disturbing like Dawn witnessed all of it and went on to testify about it and it's very awful and dark. So basically back at the Steinman's. The Steinman's daughters haven't heard from them. They've been calling the house repeatedly. No one's answering. They're not. Or neighbor noticed that their minivan is gone and it's normally parked in front of their house, like the assignments are missed immediately and people immediately file a report. Meanwhile, Justin has to dismember Selena's body like he did with assignments and put it into those. The duffel bags also. And then he puts rocks in all of the duffel bags and he drives out Sacramento River in the middle of the night and he dumps the remains of all three victims. And so that was the multiple, I think, identity.

Ended up being nine total duffel bags, I believe. Horrifying. Meanwhile, Selena's mom Jennifer Villeran and Jennifer's boyfriend James Gamble, they're house-sitting for Selena in her one-bedroom apartment while she is on this supposed camping trip with her boyfriend friend Jordan. Dawn later explains that it was always Taylor's plan to kill Selena but after her mother's surprise drop-ins and their constant conversations Getting worried that Selena's mother Jennifer might know too much and he figures it's only a matter of time before Jennifer realizes that Selena is gone and the first person she'll suspect of foul play will be Oh no. Yes. So Taylor drives out to Selena's apartment in the early morning hours of August 4th, 2000. It's like... Three in the morning, he lets himself in with a key Selena gave him, creeps into the bedroom where.

Jennifer and James are asleep in Selena's bed. He pulls out a nine millimeter pistol and shoots and kills both of them at point blank Holy shit. Immediately Selena's landlord, a man named James Solidate, he lives upstairs. He's woken up and immediately calls 911. So police respond. This double homicide. And while that's happening, Selena's co-workers at the Two Bird Cafe are realizing that she hasn't shown up for her shift and no one can locate her. When they can't track her down, they report her missing. So two is later on August 6th. The police find the Steinman's abandoned minivan in an industrial neighborhood in Oakland. Are still in the ignition and there's a chainsaw in the back. So forensics are able to pull -- fingerprints from the van's interior and because they both have drug-related priors they easily The fingerprints of Justin Helzer and Don Godman.

Search the Steinman's home, they find a note Ivan wrote mentioning Taylor Helzer. To make that connection that Taylor was Ivan and Annette's old stockbroker and it all kind of falls together. Police show Selena's friends a picture of Taylor Helzer. They all identify him as her boyfriend, Jordan. So the loop is. Is closed and now armed with a search warrant, police arrive at the Hilzer's rental house on August 7th, and they're looking for evidence. For the Steinman's murders, for Selena's murder, and maybe even trying to find the 9mm pistol For and mushrooms. So they arrest all three on drug possession charges.

How can there not be more evidence? - 'Cause there's a lot of scheming, plotting and scheming and planning. So they're sloppy. They left their fingerprints in that minivan plus the chainsaw. They're sloppy and on drugs clearly. So Taylor escapes out of The house and out the back door and he runs over to a neighbor's house. Her name's Mary Mazzocchi and he's frantic. And he tells Mary she needs to give him a weapon. So she panics, she gives him a steak knife and a pair of scissors. He immediately... Cuts his ponytail off with the scissors. He then changes into her husband's clothes and he slips out the back door and before he does he threatens to kill her if she calls the police. But Taylor only gets a couple blocks down this street before the police catch up to him. He's arrested.

He's put into the back of a squad car, he somehow manages to escape out the window of that squad car. What? No. Yes, but he's immediately recaptured and taken into custody. So now with Taylor, Justin and Dawn all in jail, police conduct a deeper search of the rental home and then they find the more damning evidence that they were looking for. Find videotaped news stories about Selena's disappearance. They find items stolen from the Steinman's home. Handcuffs and shackles inside Justin's white pickup truck. And they also gather witness accounts from the pickup truck being seen outside the Stuyvesant's home the day of their disappearance. Evidence would come just a few hours later as the black devil bags surface on the Sacramento River. On and Justin maintain their faith in Taylor, that he and his work with the angels, quote unquote, will get them free, but they have a defense.

That the wheels fall off of very quickly. And that defense is supposed to be that their friend, it's a friend of Dawn's named Deborah McClanahan, I mean, that they all went to the movies together the night that the Steinmans disappeared so that those three could have had nothing to do with that. Elle Deborah, what those three did to the Steinmans and to all the other people, she immediately says, I was paid to lie. Then she tells them there's also a safe where the 9mm pistol is hidden that was... Murder weapon used to kill Jennifer Valerin and James Gamble. And that 9mm is registered in Justin Helzer's name. It actually takes Dawn's... Two years of deprogramming with a specialized therapist before she can come to terms with the fact that she was brainwashed by Taylor Helzer.

A plea deal testifying against the Helzer brothers in exchange for a lesser sentence. She gets 38 years to life in May of 2020. 2005. Justin Helzer goes into his trial ready to argue that he was under his brother's spell, Lawyers can argue his delusional disorder defense. Taylor Helzer, the prophet, pleads guilty to-- all 18 charges, including murder, kidnapping, and extortion. And this cements Justin's case. And on June 16th, 2004, he is convicted on all 11 counts, including murder, kidnapping, and extortion. And on August. For watching. Sentences for the murders of Jennifer Villarin and James Gamble and then on December 15th 2004 Taylor gets his Sentence, which is five death sentences. He tries to appeal it in 2008.

And he's denied. So in 2010, while he's in prison awaiting his death sentence, Justin Helzer tries to take his own life in One of the more disturbing ways that I have seen in a while. He survives that time, but then on April 14th, 2013, he takes his life by hanging. Taylor tries appealing his death sentence once more, but is again denied in January of 2024. So just this year. Wow. Still on death row in San Quentin. For the victims' families, the only silver lining in this ordeal is the swift delivery of justice as Jennifer Villarin's sister Olga Land remarked on her way out of the courtroom after the last guilty verdict. Was rolled out. She says, Taylor Hilser is the second coming of Manson, not Christ, and that is

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165 day returns. Quince.com/mfm. Goodbye. I'm gonna go the other way. Thank fucking god. And yeah, take us out of here, please. I've got you. Jump on my back. Get on my back. I'm gonna piggyback you out of here. I'm up there. I'm gonna crab walk you out of here. Wow. That was on a Hometown episode a while ago. But I thought it deserved more attention because it's one of those stories that stuck with me since I The kid and saw it on Unsolved Mysteries. It comes into my brain at random times, falling asleep or in the shower or whatever it is like that happened. Life is fucking crazy. So today's story. Scientific mystery that's never been solved. It might be an unexplained natural phenomenon, or it might be a government- Conspiracy, this is the story of the Oakville blobs. Oh, uh huh.

- You know this one? - I think so, but I'm not sure. - Okay, the main sources I used for the story are a 1997 episode of Unsolved Mysteries and an episode of the Netflix show, Files of the Unexplained and the rest of the sources. Can be found in our show notes. And shout out to Ali Elkin, my researcher, right off the bat because the subject line of this paragraph is... It's raining blobs. So appreciate you, Allie. So the town of Oakville is in Washington state. So here we are, Pacific Northwest. It's in the Southwest part of the state, about 90 miles from Seattle and about 40 miles inland from the coast. All town with a population of like under 800 people. It's kind of like a hub for the surrounding farming communities. So a very small rural town. It's August 7th, 1994. There we are.

Sir David Lacey is on patrol when it begins raining heavily at 3 a.m. And this is an area that gets about 150 days of rain a year, so no big deal, except today is different. So David and his friend who is riding along with him, he's not a cop, that's like what a small town it is. He's just like, Hey Larry, do you want to just go for a patrol to like drive? With me. I don't think you could do that in LA, you know? Probably not. And also, there's a very specific person that like likes to do a ride along with cops. That is the thing that at least back in the in the heady days of the 90s. Yeah. Where it was like people that want to be in on that kind of stuff. Totally. So they're driving around and they realize that what's falling from the sky isn't rain, or at least it's not just rain, it's clear.

But it sticks to the windshield in little blobs. And once they turn on the wipers, it smears all over the place making a gooey mess. So it's not just rain. See through the windshield so David and his friend pull into a gas station to wipe the goo off. David puts it on YouTube. On gloves, but he touches the goo. I hate the word goo, but I have to say it a lot during this story, you know what I mean? - Yeah, do you wanna say materials? - Materials, sure. And finds that it's a similar consistency to jello. That's what it feels like. Substance was very mushy, almost like if you had jello in your hand. You could pretty much squish it through your fingers. Wasn't something we would normally see because we had never experienced before. We had some bells go off in our heads that said that basically this isn't right. This isn't normal. So when the sun comes up, the blob storm has ended. And an elderly woman named Dottie Hearn walks out her front door.

Small farm with her adult daughter Sunny. And Dottie is a bit of an amateur weather enthusiast, which is like, hell yeah, grandma, let's do this. Knows her stuff. Yeah, she knows what she's fucking talking about. And she keeps a close eye on storms because she's interested in them. And she and Sunny both noticed the rain on the windows had looked oddly thick that morning. So they're noticing something where it's going on too. They're like, Hey, wait a second. Hey, wait, I'm a weather expert and rain is rarely this thick. Right. So gross. Right. See is what looks like small hail pellets strewn all over the property. Each one is about the size of half a grain of rice, but when Dottie touches them she realizes... It's not hail, it's soft and squishy. Dottie goes inside and tells her daughter Sunny about the blobs. Now Sunny's background is in occupational safety, so like we're at the right house today.

Immediately when she sees the blobs, her brother, who's a paramedic, is also concerned. And collect samples from the yard. Smart. I know. Sunny starts running her own experiments on the blobs. Like, what? How fun would that be? You know what I mean? Like, you'd live your whole life for an experience like that. Until you find out it's like... Like waste from an airplane that was flying above. - You just wait, hold onto your horses. - Okay, sorry. - Uh-huh. - You're just like, I did people just like holding it and holding it up. What is this? Smelling it? - Tasting it, yeah. Blobs in water, they float, she tries to dissolve the blobs in alcohol and they won't dissolve. She lights one on fire. She's a fucking scientist. It doesn't burn. Government agencies expressing concern about the blobs touching the food her mother was growing on the farm you know yeah and they of course are like don't

worry about it little lady. Everything's fine. Don't we don't know what you're talking about. Don't worry about it. You're overreacting. Right. That afternoon, David, the police officer becomes very ill. He's having intense Flu-like symptoms that he's never had before. He says it's difficult to breathe. He said, I started -- to put together that possibly whatever the substance was, it made me violently sick. Also becomes violently ill. Sunny, her daughter finds her lying on the bathroom floor in a cold sweat and barely conscious. And these people don't know each other. It's not like, you know, word of mouth. Experiences. Yeah. Dottie had been throwing up and has vertigo and blurry vision and it appears that Multiple people all over town become ill with flu-like symptoms. One Oakville resident says, quote, Whole town came down with something like the flu only it was a really hard flu that lasted from seven weeks to two hours.

Three months. That's not a flu. No. That's poisoning, isn't it? Yeah. Good question. Good hypothesis. Oh, thanks. Reports from the Times say some 30 residents report flu-like symptoms. And considering there's like not more than 800 people in town, 30 is a big percentage of people to get sick from this stuff. Also, animals fall ill. So, on her way out the door to take her mother to the hospital, Sunny has the presence of mind to bring some of her samples with her. And at first, you know... She gives them to the hospital and they're tested and the hospital lab technician believes it contains human white blood cells, which is very puzzling. Up in a lot of initial reports, but it will eventually be disproven, which sucks because that would be so interesting. I mean, to the conclusion that Dottie's illness is unrelated to the blobs and it's just a virus. She's discharged from the hospital after four days. It's unrelated to the blobs, but is it related to the cop getting sick? Yeah.

And four days is a long time in the hospital for a flu. Yeah. A few days after the first blobs fall. Or blobs and goo. I just can't. This is a hard one for me. You picked a story. I know I did. I just didn't realize how much blobs and goo is absolutely the name of the episode though, isn't it? No one will listen to it. Like No, thank you. It's only for the strong. How about moist blobs and goo? Then it'll be a hit. Blobs come down a few days after the first ones in another rainstorm. This time there's no illnesses reported and over the next three weeks, the blobs rain down on Oakville four more times for a total of six. Rainstorms with this gooey substance. - Jesus. - Right, like pack your bags and move, goodbye. -A rainstorm of it. -Yeah. It's not like-- That's pretty scary, -coming down from on high. -Yeah. Ugh. Did he get caught in that?

You get slimed. A scientist from the health department named Mike McDowell investigates the blobs more thoroughly than anyone else. In his report, he says that when cultured, the sample grows two kinds of bacteria that grow in the human digestive tract. Strange. Additionally, he finds that the cells in the sample are sort of like an envelope, which makes it seem like they could find... As a delivery system for other cells. Almost like someone- scientists created an envelope type- Structure to rain down and then melt, you know, and then whatever was in that envelope, let's say the poison then. There. Kills everyone. I don't know. Theories real quick. Yours is right on top. The airplane toilet theory. Of course, the presence of bacteria. That's found in the human digestive system is found there. So of course, the theory emerges that the blobs have been human waste released from an aircraft probably accidentally.

Matthews theory. Exactly. A la Dave Matthews. It's exactly, that's right. The waste may have become gel-like consistency by mixing with antifreeze and maybe that's what made people sick too, which is interesting. Theory first is that the FAA requires all human waste to be dyed blue. Oh, which I didn't know. The blobs are clear. Also it's obvious against the rules to just dump waste in midair and the blobs fall on six separate occasions over three weeks. So it's probably not an airplane accident. So the next theory is jellyfish, if you can believe it. Oh, in the lead up to the first blobs falling, the air force had been conducting practice bombing runs off the coast of Washington about. 50 miles away from Oakville. I mean, this could be an episode of Stranger Things. I don't know, do they do stuff like this? But it is that thing, it's like,

Facility in town and weird shits happening and you won't admit that you're connected. Wouldn't it be more of an X-Files? Yes, there you go. I only watched a couple episodes of Stranger Things. Me too. I'm sorry. And I met the X-Files. No, but now I do. So some people theorize that they may have blown up a large school of jellyfish and the jellyfish bits were sucked up into the atmosphere by a strong storm carried over to Oakville 50 miles away where it then rained down. One biologist in the episode of the files of the unexplained says this is possible and does happen sometimes. Oh, yikes. I mean, keep your eyes peeled. For example, if you're a scientist, you're going to be in a There are known instances of strong storms sucking up sardines and frogs and then dumping them. Them inland. Yeah. Bible style. Yeah. Yeah. Many people see a lot of holes in this jellyfish theory when it's presented by a reporter to a sergeant from

Air Force, he has to stifle a laugh. Dottie and her daughter, Sunny, are also skeptical. In the Unsolved Mysteries episode, Sunny calls the idea that such a large amount of blown-up jellyfish would be carried so... Far and rained down six times over a three week period, quote, pretty preposterous. Yeah. Also Dottie points out that the blobs were Odorless and three week old dead jellyfish probably would have smelled bad. What does that smell like? Oh, God. I mean terrible and also wouldn't the sickness that Dottie got be more like a sting, then it would be like a poisoning or a flu. I don't know. Unless it was, I don't know. Yeah, for sure. Unless she is allergic to shellfish. You're right. Quite the opposite. There goes your theory. Your theory's blown out of the water.

The next theory is a biological weapons test. There are a lot of military bases in the area. What's up, X-Files? To the blobs falling. Sunny and her mom noticed helicopters that look black. And of course, black helicopters have documented official uses, but are also linked to a lot of conspiracy theory about the military. Sunny says that a few years after the blobs-- Three strange men come into the soda shop where she works. Oh my God, I want to go to Oakville in a soda shop. Doesn't that sound perfect? - I know. - They ask her questions. It's about the blobs, and then if she's seen black aircraft in the area, and then they leave not long after, Sunny gets the license plate number of the car they left in. Police run the plates they're registered to the Fort Hood military base in Texas which we know Is since been renamed for Cavazos. That's right. So it was a military car somehow. That's interesting. I love that the local PD is like

Let's all figure this out. Totally. What the hell's going on? I'm sitting in your soda shop with nothing else to do. Let's fucking do this. But also, that is interesting. Military operating in that kind of what we all believe could be the CIA style. Yeah, who knows. Used to be so kind of fantastical talking about it because it was the 90s. And it was like, isn't that crazy that they would think, and it's nowadays, it's just like, yep, they all did it. It's all real. It's like, no, we're in this place where it's just like, all conspiracies are proven true. Everything's real. Yeah. But to my mom, she'll fucking get so excited. Okay, that you agree with her. Oh, Janet knows I agree with her on a lot of the major topics. Those lasers, those space lasers. Okay, so Mike McDowell.

All the scientists and Sunny wind up coming to the conclusion that the most plausible explanation for the blobs is that there was some sort of biological weapons test. And here in my mind, it's a meet cute. It becomes a movie. I've cast them because it's the 90s. They are Sandra Bullock and Brendan Fraser. Yes. And they're gonna fall in love. Yes. Over the gloves. Yeah, the blobs are gross, but the love is Beautiful. Oh. We'll work on that for the poster. And it has to be shorter. Yeah, I'm trying to think of something like a... I love goo. No, that's stupid. You go. The military has conducted biological weapons tests in the past over civilian areas, as we know. Using stand-in substances that wouldn't actually cause infections. So they're just like, just sprinkling this work.

And since these envelope-like cells appeared not to be carrying anything, it looks to McDowell like this is one of those tests. But in 1994, such a test would have violated international laws. So there's no way our military did it because they follow the laws. Also, the advantage of bioweapons is that they are difficult to detect and the blobs are very conspicuous So it makes a lot of people doubt the bioweapon theory Someone else thinks it could be an agriculture cultural research experiment gone wrong, maybe contained experimental pesticide. There's also the fact that Throughout history, there have been other instances of gelatinous goo falling on the ground, or at least appearing on the ground in scientific writing and poetry dating back to the 17th century Karen so long ago there has been reports of a gooey clear sun

Appearing on the ground overnight, which people refer to as Star Jelly. Your favorite strip club. Drunken fools. Did you see the star jelly on the ground? She's beautiful tonight. Don't touch it. If you eat it, do it in a drunk voice. Oh, star jelly. Please. Berries. It's delicious. This has later been theorized to have been frog spawn, the little blobby eggs that tadpoles hatch from, or slime molds, which sounds awesome. I love mold. Actually saw the Oakville blobs like raining. These other ones, they found it on the ground. But this is fucking raining. A cop saw it. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. So it seems unlikely. So this is possibly the most mysterious part of the entire blob affair. Mike McDowell, the scientist, played by Brendan Fraser in our movie, from the...

Washington Department of Health never gets to finish his work with the sample that Sunny, Sandra Bullock, sent to him. He arrives at work one day and the samples are gone. Mmm. He tells Sunny it's the only time in his career that he's lost a sample. And his supervisor had advised him not to ask questions about the samples' whereabouts. Zzz. The three guys that were at the cafe, they went over and took all that stuff. Yeah, I bet. Mike says the receptionist at his office. As black suits came and took it. Mike's kids say that this bothers him until he dies. Enforces his theory that there is some kind of military or government connection. Of the mysterious Oakville blobs. That's as close as we get. That's it. I trust Mike. Damn it. I trust Mike too. But I mean, that just feels like it's the prequel.

To men in black because it's like clearly the three suits know that this was like an alien accident Yeah, you know, yeah, I mean if aliens don't exist. I I don't know what to tell you like then what are we even doing? Yeah, we're living in a simulation in that case like it's one extreme or the other cuz like cuz it's not just no I mean and why should it be at this point as long as it's not like the movie signs That's all I just don't want it to be like that scary Scene where Joaquin Phoenix is in the closet and then the kid's birthday party. Uh-huh. I just saw that recently on an Instagram and I was like, that's still scary. Where's the ever-- and it looks stupid now, too. It's like just this like long gangly alien, but it still is fucking terrifying. It's so perfectly shot though. It was like yes, it is got that perfect like what a viral would actually look like. - Handheld camera, children screaming. - Screaming birthday party children. - Oh my God. Yeah.

And I wonder if they did like a 30-year test to see how many people have cancer in the Oakville area or Absolutely Something like that. I'm upset with those stories of the towns where it's like, you know, like Love Canal where like everyone got some kind of cancer. In that town because of the fucked up government practices of getting rid of waste. It's so setting. There's a really good John Travolta movie where he plays a lawyer that fights one of those chemical companies. Erin Brockovich? No, it's the sequel to Erin Brockovich where John Travolta just re-does. He plays every character. He plays her, yeah. Her. Albert Finney. But I mean, it is, you know, for a long time, like before they set up the EPA and I'm sure we don't have it anymore. I'm sure we don't have it anymore. Right. Whole thing where you had to like get companies with chemical spillage and all that shit to be like, hey, could you not

Kill everybody nearby so that we can all have this weird plastic item? The government can barely regulate fucking supplements. And you think that they're trying to regulate these billion dollar fucking agriculture companies and you know processing plants. To not do things that they shouldn't do? Come on. It's just like, the problem is, how do you go backwards into regulation? like when reagan made these decisions and that his administration just started slashing all that stuff it's Like, but now they just get more powerful and that's all. There's no going backwards. No, until the children rise up. That's right. Rise up or infiltrate the system. Rise up on TikTok.

Wow, we solved it. I think we solved it. We solved it by bringing up something else and basically not talking about it anymore. I mean, if Reagan isn't brought up at least one episode, then have we even done our jobs? Then my mother cannot rest. Mine can. Should we find out-- Oh shit, I forgot. What people are even doing right now while they're listening to this podcast? God, we have a new ending, I love it. I buy. No. We have a fun thing now. Yeah, a fun thing. Yeah, let's see. Some people are such good people. That like when they write in this one person's like I'm delivering groceries to the lovely senior population while listening you're like oh my god And also that seems like the kind of thing that would be easy and fun to volunteer You know my dad used to do that he used to be the food guy and he would just drive groceries around to people Yeah, I've been at school

Lunch Lady, I could do that. Yeah, that was from Lisa McElroy Art. I guess that's mine. Delivering groceries to the lovely senior population while listening to tales of mayhem and horror is the balancing act I need to drive all morning on not even close to enough sleep. Thanks Lisa. Oh, that's a great, I love that one. Person's name? Her name's Lisa McElroy. I love the idea of her partying all night like at a rave and then be like, I gotta go to my job. She's just living a full life. She's like volunteering and volunteering for herself. Yeah. This one says there's the actual post and then Somebody commented on it, 'cause this is from Instagram. Ali Finch wrote, What am I even doing right now? I was plucking my own eyebrows exactly when Karen mentioned I should not be. Wow, that's funny. And then Megasaur.

Chris Rex W-R-E-X wrote back to Ali Finch and said, Make sure you take one all the way off. That's how I did it. Yeah, you got to get rid of one. Pluck it back to Iris distance. Well, seventh grade treats you then, cowards. I pierced mine with a safety pin one morning before eighth grade. That was a mistake too. Did it hurt all day? No, they sent me home to take it out. Oh, yeah. Too rebellious. That's me. Now it's like, just we'd just love for you to be. Be here. You can have whatever in your eyebrow that you want. Put your phone down, please. Please just participate. Thank you. Thanks for participating. I mean, I feel like this week we all really participated our asses off. It's been a participation like goo blob extravaganza. You're doing it to yourself. I know. I can't stop. I can't stop.

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