Quit your job, get a spiral notebook, and listen to this week's My Favorite Murder. Karen and Georgia cover the crimes of the demonic Joseph Edward Duncan III and the Coen Brothers-esque Fred Neulander.
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such an amazing thing to come out to weigh wall of energy and peoples. Positivity it's the best, Ninety, nine percent of the people that go to our shows and participate now shows are lovely joyous people who are having a great time we heard from a bunch of people from port. And who didn't have the best time in a couple of those shows, because there were people around them that were yelling so much at us, the entire show and there has been a thought that has been floated in the community, We like it when people yell at s eyes primary audience during the show, because it's a chance for media people or for us to make jokes about it and just for corrections just no hard feelings. We ve always had a great time. We will continue to have a great time just you know we don't
I get when you yell at us at all during the show, and it's going to appoint now. Are we just have to completely ignore people? There was a show in Portland that was crazy. There were people in the audience that were lit yelling at us literally the entire time, and it was there around them bombing out. So we wonder we can't if we say something to them, then that will keep doing it, but we don't say anything, we don't say anything. What we do is this: we let people know, that we love your energy, that we love that you want to participate. But please don't tell yourself. We want you to yell ass, because that is not true at all. It's now urban true for me being a stand, a comic for twenty years. We, when you get a hack, learn an audience. You shut the heckler down because that's how you form a show of comedy, that's how you keep in control of the crowd, but you don't work,
to be heckled, so just because comedy comes out of it doesn't mean that's a positive experience for anybody and it certainly ruins the time of the people around you like there's a couple people during one of their shows, and it was just counts, commentary the whole time and it's not pleasant, and we now just ignore, as someone is kind of a new at this whole onstage thing, it's really distracting till egg to keeping distracted by this. I'm trying to like concentrate on being a good performer and telling my story well and not being nervous and e now sitting up stray not exactly a flashing. My underwear and you know it when we really have work. It's not like anyone can say. This is any kind of with we're, not doing crowd work. We're is actually by the time we sit down and were reading our stories we have
presentation that we want to give to everybody and that everybody wants to hear at ninety nine point. Five percent of the people in the room want to hear what we're saying. So if you the person that got drunk and couldn't stop yelling or you thought it would be funny to yell or talk to us just no. No, you know no one's mad at you have everything's fine, but yeah. We actually don't want that to be happening. So just as clarity, it seems there was a marriage people in the audience in Portland who are upset because they pay good money and they waited just as long as they just as big of a fan. Is anybody when crazy, who can't control themselves and yet the whole time will theirs. People around you who are just big, a fan, and yet there controlling themselves we stand where it's coming and believe me. I saw when I saw the kids in the hall live at the. U see, lay theater, I won,
to scream chicken lady be entire tat. I wanted them to know what I lay I wanted them to know what was in my mind and heart. I wanted to understand how oily lower costs is a big deal to me. It meant a lot to me so honestly, the FAO that there are people having those feelings toward us. It's my dream? Come true! It's it's! We take the way you mean we would love to not have to deal with that. You being there is enough. I do new podcast that I like corner. Please but I'm worried. Ok, so I found this. I found this package because I was we're going to Milwaukee and I was doing a lot of risk urgent in Milwaukee murders. So stop me if you working on this- oh I'm not you coming to stop Youtube. I tell you, I'm not working on only go for it great. So I found
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Estimates of every essentially short months by another awesome female investigative journalists which I am wow really stoke that there are so many of those lately. So many so many, and so it gives little bit of em. So it's so answer unsolved. Yeah have ended. You are telling me about, and then I started listening to call the Hollywood in crime, it's that were ok, so Hollywood and crime is a bow, and I didn't think. Finally, I thought I We thought it out and downloaded all the episode, before I got on the plane. So though I don't do that eight makes me crazy. You get on the piano like final, isn't it thing now you haven't downloaded it, you can't know and then, while we're taking off I'm like take it off airplane mode and try to download every episode, and then I crash the plain and there our or try to buy Google inflate rate is just a bunch of bullshit about it. I I hate them, in fact, some any any like airplane wifi is such a scam.
They are taking twenty seven dollars directly to your bank account and there like cake it. But that wifi three thousand feet in the air. That being said, see as we grow and change. I pre downloaded eight episodes of Hollywood in crime living so proud filled with pride and what it is is during the black Dalia murder, which happened in nineteen Lord holy. For six nine something summit in our own priorities. Out of a great, very definite happened. Even already has the seasonal, upon it, but the interesting thing is there were other, female murder mutilations around LOS Angeles at the same time that people don't talk about, and so strings together. All of these different cases in its. Unbelievable and other related illness and the like ten minutes at the first episode and already was like they vote
the same fucking Michael. Yes, there is definitely at least I am. I think I was up to the fourth episode and I'm like there's a hundred. Like a slashing face killer in LOS Angeles, and it was because Lastly placed her slashing face killer world war, two they don't that's the thing about of our thinking is like there's someone chief during World WAR, two that nobody paid attention to, because the news was filled with the world war. Two world war to constantly and most the boys were being shut out and coming back and the whole thing around their Resign Hollywood canteen, which is where the foremost down. For most. I think her some in Hollywood yeah, where act duty soldiers would go and they would get to dance with actresses. Betty Davis used to run it, and so I could go there and like. I think that alcohol wasn't aloud and you couldn't like Heaven, romantic like romance
isn't gonna be like you, pay first load answer any kind of. Why don't they had to pay because, as you are, that was the whole ideas like if you're active duty you're on leave. You can come to the Hollywood canteen and like basely party with celebrities and it's all on us and in other Ladys thought they were like doing a service for this service. Man, that's ran, it was edge the ends his black sire, their Elizabeth, Smart, nope, Elizabeth Short or are you I don't know itself that the mix of like way, smarter, those neurons modern short, is old rate she went there and so did a couple of these victims, and one of them is called the bathtub. It was called the bathtub murder. And it was this woman who are a lot of money. This young woman she went to the canteen alone and she was found in a in a bar tub, full of bloody water and her face, I believe her face.
He's got it has anything because Elizabeth Short was drained of blood, yes and they thought it was done in the day surmised. It was done in a bathtub right. I think so deftly note was not it was it had her somewhere for a long time re. That's the horrible part of that new murder is it he was tortured for a long time and the person killed her and prompt may have killed these other women is thick. The worst serial killer ever and they never caught him and if are not related. That's it such an insane coincidence that these murders were happening all around the same time. I hate how normal her autopsy photos are, giving more like you, click on cold case file or co cases, and you click on images and it's just a close up her face. Have you seen yeah it's a horrible cutting yeah, I'm it's just like that. You don't even put in like black Marina. Like you see these crimes in front of us, it's rough and I
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For example, that was very poorly time. What didn't next sentence was- and I still said if I shouldn't- have hollow jump to a lasting and so is everyone house? You guys we're all creep steel laughing with both hands over his face and a third hand came up here. We don't know words. Mimi is what practical eve you up suicides. Exercise in it there's a description I actually found out it's it's like a pull at LOS Angeles police Detectives Book his cases widening. Turning into like a coffee table, work well, people who don't get dates, hey, hey watch. We do find such as I do love husbands does want to see a fuckers Garth elephant, Tattersall debates and votes. One look at that: pretty fuckin fabulous! Oh man, yeah! That's a good book! I mean
That's the kind of thing. The reason I dont look at those pictures anymore is because I in the nineties, when, as you know, a riot girl, whatever the hell, I thought I was doing there. Lots of times or we would look through books like that, and it was almost like a contest of like everyone. Look at this crazy thing, well run and even care. Because obeying I've. Seen things I can. I still see it in my mind, like the child who died of rabies, I can. I can see it in my mind. It's horrible, in Cuba, but for some reason it makes me want to like consume of it as well. As I can see that so I just want to look away. Yes, yes, I know he speak. That's it reminded me There is a movie. Have you ever seen that it's like kind of a documentary? It's called Wisconsin death trip? Ok, it is the best I dont know Stephen. Have you seen it
he did so. The mercenaries nod linen and no, no, no! No getting on the fact that it is. They took a book. I think it's just. Like the police blotter from cities around Wisconsin in the eighteen hundred mid eighteen hunters, I believe- and so they just read the stories of what the police you know. What they were doing and what the crimes were, and it's inside because it's just today, except for it, was in the MID one hundred. So it's like a boy walked onto into a farm yard and shot the two people standing there and walked away and they'd, and when the police arrested him, he said he was bored. And then there are things like mothers who go when drown their children in the river and all these things that we think are happening now and this time we live in and it so awful or whatever and its sake you gotTa
but you gotta, watch Wisconsin death trip its generator. They, what are the video? What's the video the visuals? This really awesome. Sepia toned like be role they took all around cause of so much of Wisconsin is really nature and farms and there's you know so they basically are just if its. If the crime is a about a person walk into farmyard, they walked down a road and they get like a little kid in overalls, holding a gun or wit, but they don't it's not like its holder reenactments. It's just more idea: yeah right on clinical ruby like a distant farm house, you oh that words like eddies creep. I want to see that, you don't want to do. I want either you are like nope, the farm. How was it maybe I can deal with kids in over of really makes us tenderly triggers me it's it's. Here's you about me and grammar school about me when I was a waitress and I had to work an overall where the slip
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any figure, those things I'm a nazi cause, I'm really cool to their such nice Panza very calm. We got a whole box full of inviting thanks guys. Nice designs, good job Haifa. Alright, let's do it to the official knows, blowing gray and then London's, whose If I were crafty person, would send you in the mail little like five lit black table cloth, handkerchiefs. Ok, crystal saviours, not discussing, but it's a fucking joke referencing. When you do when you blew your nose on the tablecloth, no, no, no! No! I get it now get it now. I didn't understand. Saving your sought is beyond disgusting and makes no sense that I didn't blow my nose on a table cloth in Portland that that did happen. So that would be it was pretty goddamned great. I felt, like everyone felt very freed by that action. I was as I was, bending down to do it. I was like you, you should be humiliated by you're doing less than I did. I know it's just gone now:
It's almost sake we're just taking down the roles of society here. Fuck you mom come to our loescher that you won't believe what we do tricks and things and blowing law has blown to shreds and Einstein, lines and laws blonde you're me. I dont, know me They should know this. I knew it. Oh my sweater, Georgia. Yes, because he did the girl killer. Oh that's right! I don't know what I did last week. Oh, I do know that ready for a serious. I do you did the Moors murders crazy and then someone somewhere text saying: did you know that the Smith, song, after the little children is about the moors murderers re, which you kind of have it.
You say their names in the song, Dubai Hindley. He calls her henley, who that's cool, it's Alyssa to it that's only if he was I going to see us. Ready for a serial killer. I real horrible guy. Here we go Joseph or Duncan the third when you- and I said I was born in February twenty on February, twenty fifth sixty three into Comma Washington, and I said that he looks like the actor Ben Mendelson. Who is the older brother from bloodline over there? what kind of a less than he's like a broad because, like an actor and he's gonna, well hot blooded, was the bad one yeah views on everyone's worried about you suck eyes. Amazing looks like him so like creepy skinny to salmon idea like gangly.
Like this describing what they look like here, because you know you think of a big fat person and that's not who this person is nominally. They all members, very big fat person, not he's like he's, says fourteen roomy, anyways, he kills children, so one and seventy six he's fifteen years old and commits his first recorded sex crime. He at fifteen you rapes and nine year old boy, again point out, fuck. I said I was going to raise at fifteen and he was raping children at gunpoint. What send to have no, and I can't find autumn information on ok, so clearly, something or along his second hand, I mean and then went to a boys. I mean it's like they go but you ve get raped its arable and their ma. Am I wanna get us grasses. I feel like
We really should say the worse things in the world and be right. Ok, following. I want to say that it so horrified that, like I say it and then seasonal bleep. It ok I read somewhere and maybe it was had Bundy's mom or some like some killers, mom that like when he she would take him to go to the bathroom. She would pinches penis. As a kid. I think that it is again so he wouldn't go. I don't know like He didn't do it. He she would get mad at him a pinch, How do you not have a sexual fucking saved us on your hands? Yes, I know gross pans on your feet. Suggesting yet that's horrible, penis pinching, I'm pretty sure, that's at gains mother. She was out of her yeah. That's right, didn't he killed her right. No, she died of natural causes. He kept her in the highs and play her body and then like war, her face in the moonlight pretty sure sorry,
Events, romantic while share nipple so unbelief now ok, nipple about is at him yeah, that's our guy So we get a shot out to the girl. Who is a black man, we're gonna need of post those, but like we got this like gift once, and it was a boy Oxen there. These like this, like crochet belt in it- and we were like ok, we're yarn crochet About- was that in Oakland. I think it was the Oakland show. No, no, it was sent here. Oh oh tat, oh yeah, because then that you guys laughed and I want to take a photo of it and as I'm looking through the lens, I realise that its crocheted nipple bell and SK like every different color, nipple, different races of nipple and its end. I just love. To my mind, it like joy like how creative, like that's description of Marinos, is like our listeners is something fresh ate a fucking multicultural. People bout, a nipple, bow Gimme,
game and shout out also that the fact that you had to have that realisation alone. It's actually almost perfect that, like greying whores horror, we weren't we pulled out we're like, isn't it? Is it a cat toy like we're like whipping around? We had no idea, and then I, just made me so happy when I realized how awful it wasn't. My hat cutest way cuz, you couldn't tell you how it was like a magic. I poster you really stared it for a while to understand the hideous doll. I gotta posted ok anyway, the following year, Joseph Duncan is arrested for driving a stolen car and that's any sentenced as a juvenile and sent to disciplines boys ranch. To combat which you'd know is probably a ha
He tells his therapists when he's there, that he hadn't bound and sexually assaulted, six boys, and he also tells a therapist that he had wrapped around thirteen younger boys by the time he was sixteen. What the fuck yeah so you see railway. Persia only imagine losing count he said around, team boys a therapist slackened go on that night and drink they're just now I become a sea captain dies Bullshit Mumia librarian. Now. To the lighthouse. He said with a thick combined cat you dont, maybe just a ton of catholic Dirty Kayak, just pedal to surround myself a cat in nineteen. Eighty still to come. I he steals guns from a neighbour and of ducks a fourteen year old boy, again: rapes, him at gunpoint. And for that he sentenced to twenty years in prison, but he's released on parole and ninety four after serving fourteen years
then he's arrested and ninety six for a merit for marijuana use, but he's really some pearl. A few weeks later, but with new restrictions and then in ninety seven he's around before he's around sit in Kansas and return to prison after violating the terms his parole, but he's release from prison? Three years later, in July, two thousand, and with time off for good God, oh good, good, eight, european cereal, rape and out of eel in prison clean your back and trade at the canteen who that mess and mess hall- and you can leave So that's, ok! So the sorrow of twenty fourteen he's accusing lasting a six year old boy at a park in Detroit Lake Minnesota buddies, captured until March two thousand and five and is held on fifteen thousand dollars bond, so there What do you do the business man from Fargo, whose somehow Duncan had become acquainted with, who helped ho spell.
Fifteen thousand dollars, wonder what brand of pedophile he way as allegedly allegedly business man here I mean very allegedly in If he wasn't, he must reckoned hate himself now. True. What? If you just trying to be like a good Samaritan, yeah miser, going down on his luck. Oh he says he didn't He said he didn't molest a six year old boy at a park. So maybe you didn't an ominous spin. Half of some people salary here getting anyways, Duncans hips down two months later in two thousand and five curtain. County, Idaho authorities discover the bodies, Brenda grown forty, her boyfriend, a thirteen year old sign therein. Our family home near Corridor Lane and they didn't bound and died of blunt forced trauma to the head. While and I'm sorry as to other children. Shy,
so who's eight and go on whose name I hate this one. So my now it so whore! Ok! I now I almost didn't do it because it so bad. I know how to do it. I love the shit out, but I didn't know that this guy had so much background I didn't, but it makes perfect sense. Of course he does, but oh God, oh my god, Just one of those stories that you can't what believers real. Yes, I can still see the tv when, I was watching the news and them showing the foot the Cctv Young ever foot. Yes, I type there are several gonna, give a willing and make tell your story, I'm that was exactly I saw it. That's it his burn in my mind, ok so Shasta is eight Dylan is nine. There are missing They are missing from the house and the three others. The three older people are dead.
And so they issue an amber alert and they come the area and they can't find the kids and Tao six weeks later, Angela. Two thousand and five shasta- is recognised from her amber alert by, interest a manager and to customers at a Danny's it. But then there back in court delay quarterly and his eyes at court Elaine the workers, the fuck out immediately from the police and they position themselves to prevent Duncan from leaving suppose, there's arrive at a restaurant. They arrest Duncan without incident and chess is taken in the hospital to be reunited with her dad, and so the footage Talking about is them walking, ended the fucking, dummies and she's got her arms cross she's a little longer. All he's. Looks like John Mendelson Ben Mendelson and she's got. Arms question is clear Something is wrong. Yes and you want, If you had seen that, would you have thought something was going on to it. They must have,
because that many p I remember reading about the waitress coming to the table and being like. I don't like to feel here. Are you ok yeah what's going on and I think she waited did he go to the bathroom? Maybe it was some moment she had with Shasta believe before where she was like this isn't good and she called the police. Lowood, so we heard about it as you have to wonder. They went back to the town they were from, so everyone in that town must have known in Firstly, what both but more maybe didn't know he was yet, but what she looked like yes, so there was another citing of them. You know in another state, that they later realise happen and put the point. The woman who worked at the store was like a gas station was like. I thought it might be her, but I wasn't sure ass. I didn't do anything about it. Like, while someone in your town would have done something, and it also tells you If you have a bad feeling about something, don't worry.
Hurting the dad's fuckin feelings. If this child looks industry, at least talk to one other person about at yeah. If you, if you dont, send up every red flag, you ever feel grad feelings, but there's certainly if you're in tune enough there when you know something's wrong. You know what's wrong and trust yourself. I've always thought like. If I see a kid who looks on people are in distress or not not feeling there where they're supposed to be. It's. Ok for me to go up to a kinda K. What's your name, you know like engage with the kid. You know, I'm not a fuckin. So it's not creepy that labour. Don't do that if your guy tell a woman to do that, but you know to be like What's your name and if you fuckin send something is wrong, like you can just tell by body language with the kid yeah, something is right, I mean they're wish there should be. There were some kind of like set processor key word whatever this
listen right down everyone's license plate every creepy. Right licence way at all. Should take the time you don't need to work quit your job. It is by real no book sit in front of a gas station and just write down license plates for awhile get done, but I got I adore that Dennys waitress? because you know that, first of all, if they work do she's, probably working the night chair, she seen some loony tunes holiday. You know she's and call the cops every time she sees scraggly now Mendelson type, Now we should involve that actor at all workers, because, like wave of the fact, if you know we ve got a fucking cast on the lifetime movie of this mother. Back in case c, I welcome Ben Mendelson, creating work. You're welcome Bob I hospital are here, get here's where it gets awful. So I said, tells investigators that the night of her abduction, her mother, had called her into the living room from the bedroom where she had been sleeping ass. She saw Duncan like them Duncan, was like call your kids in here right now,
She sees hint Duncan wearing black gloves and holding a gun. He ties her mothers hands with nylons of ties as well. The mother stance and her brother Slade. Then he takes still in the chest. Her brought her little brother Dylan out at the end of the house. They get inside his stolen rental car and then deal and then had done goes back into the house, she hears her mothers, fiance scream and then sees her injured, older brother, staggering away from the entrance to the home. But she didn't witness Duncan bludgeoning, the three of them to death. People urging them to death, tie them up, Imagine them back When chastise asked where her brother Dylan is, she said in Heaven there may be some evidence down in the low forest, because that's where we were me on
My fourth two thousand and five Dylan's remains- were discovered at a campsite near Saint Regis, Montana, he'd been sexually assaulted and then killed with a shot in the head, after which his body had been burned and shasta fucking, witness the whole thing guy. Now, Duncan. I had also Film Dylan's final hours and Duncan can be audibly heard in the video which was shown to the fucking jury. Can you fucking imagine how much therapy you need? After my God sang the devil likes to watch children suffer and cry. Shasta also repeatedly tortured and sexually assaulted. But supposedly he falls in love with her and decides to return her home, which is why they were back in her town went on mass, sir. My yeah Duncan later. Can says that he had entered the home on a family slept with the express intention, of murdering the parents and kidnapping the children he claims he quit Won't you wanted, revenge against society for sending into prison.
Twenty years for sexually assaulted, younger boy fourteen years old, when he himself has only sixteen year old. So he wants revenge against society for being sent to prison, her sexually assaulting forbear. If a ship not clear, thinking now and not logical, assume, responsibility for your actions are not fuckin you're, not call here. Doug, so near the door, you're the devil here, where the devil's like Jude Compound FUCK. Can you skip to the poultry its murdered in jail? Please help me. The devil's like hey man, I hurt fuckin corrupt attorney, is not so. I crept. Attorneys. Sorry crept attorneys so he subjects subsequently charged with murdering Dylan, as well as the three other family members during Incarceration authorities
able to link Duncan to the disappearance of Anthony Michael Martinez, who was ten years old when he went missing on April. Fourth, ninety seven, while he was playing with friends and right out of his home in Beaumont California back a man, approach. The group asked for help finding missing kitten while holding out a photo of a cat, as well as a dollar bill. Two of the children ran away and fear and the kidnappers poles a knife out grabs Anthony and Fleas car with white red pinstripes and no hubcaps for two weeks search. Martinez's body is found nude and partially decomposed in India on April. He's. Ninety seven. He had been sexually assaulted and bound with duct tape, a composite Much is made of the suspect, partial fingerprint, but the case goes called and then
When he, when he is incarcerated, riverside authorities are able to match the partial fingerprints taken to Duncan, and So they officially announced his connection. He please guilty in two thousand and eleven the The agreement carries a mandatory life sentence, although he won't get. He won't get death the death penalty for in California, because you please guilty Duncan also confess to two additional martyrs, some measure white eleven and her sister Carmen Q Bias nine. We're last seen, leaving Seattle Washington Hotel to get cigarettes at a near my restaurant for an older brother, nine, no babies police said that they don't. They don't know whether the girls ran away or victims of foul play at the time course. I fucking nine year old is running away eleven year old then on July six, ninety six,
haven't underline six. Ninety six than their remains were found on February tenth. Nineteen. Eighty eight in both Washington, by a transient living in an abandoned barn. All three murders occur. Duncan was on per on others. I understand and has only been charged in the California case, in Oh he's been convicted and higher for kidnapping and murder of the three victims for which giving six by sentences in federal court for kids, Shasta and Dylan, and for murdering Dell in he was three death sentences and three life sentences and in the state of California, for kidnapping, murdering Anthony Martinez for which given to life sentences. She still in jail He still in jail, he will be forever. Let me double check Veronica If he saw I've had my because he said I how, unless they are keeping him in solitary confinement has not been called how see up and killed by inmates. That's like that. He is
Zactly the example of a jail has just this type of situation like want see his picture? No, oh god! Stephen, you better watch that mustache, because you're looking at times and doubting the most yeah murdering, has got me a mustache blade cloud. Ok, I can check. Ok, yes, please yeah! Guy is the worst face. Not only is still alive he's blogging from prison He now now, I'm the one usually you're, the one. That's like this! Now, I'm the one. That's like somebody, it's a fucking kill a guy that is the Key should not be on the planet anymore. He cannot be around human beings. Key huh kills children. He hurts children on purpose. He videos, is hurting children get the fuck off the planet
you're no good anymore, now you're fuckin rotten la foot. Keep law he's a blog called the fifth nail and something about how leg Jesus was crucified with foreign ales, and this is the fifth now some bullshit. I know all about the fifth now you, and so he can't blog from prison. But blogs that is dated a life as a sex offender, but so be it nice, big pedophile, but so he sends his blog posts in writing to people. Outside who posted in like there's some people out there doing his fucking bidding, probably pet miles right, probably other pedophiles, perhaps Either way you shouldn't you dear no good downright packet, piece of shit. It's so funny that case that little girl and the thing she went. People I feel like anybody that was like conscious around that time paid attention to anything
on that time, also because it was early enough, so that their wasn't like nowadays there so much awful shit going on, as we know everywhere. The time they're closing down nature, they're, closing down schools, they're closing down protecting people who need protection. They're closing I'll down its insanity happens every day that there the time and I used to think about it- a lot in the nineties where we had it we're just like that tat. There was nothing going on it was before got into that First WAR Clinton and was Clinton now does it envisage, including it made them later than that, but but still it was like there wasn't so one something like TAT came on the new year, it was hurt. Stop it is like you, ve gotta, be kidding me. How did this happen here no. I mean in even in the just the last couple years we hear we here every single one of them, especially when your inner fucking, true crime, yeah
I must constantly reading about these things and we're just continent looking, but back, then it was harder to find those things and the detail that you can get now. Yes, hours, and so it was just a glimpse that you would get yeah horrible near God. That's so that some no I mean that's like that- was a big one, and it's interesting to know that that was a person that started doing that. There was a that was internally and intensely damaged individual like started pretty bad and got way way way were re somewhere along the way. You know that been intervention or to some different could have happened. I think it's when eventually, hopefully peoples- taking rape as a crime, more serious as real as as something that this is something to have your hands, slapped and walked away from and that a lot of people that do it. Do it
over and over again and in to do it over and over gonna. That's a serious problem with a person, and it's not, I feel like there's a lot of people who just rape is someone who wants to have sex really but a rapist as someone who just looking for sex when I think about it in a way which had actually is, which is this fucking violent, insane mine who needs to overpower and hurts? fuckin ruined someone, that's as a criminal who should not be allowed on the streets after three years of good behaviour and prevent how often do they escalate. I mean how many stories do we tell that start off with it Listen, do it's cheap, he re the girl in his town, again data and then move to this town and then suddenly he's murdering the pianist raping. I mean this, it's the story. Every time yeah, I feel like it's going to catch up slowly as long as we don't he well, I mean I feel, like the more people talk about it, the more people who have conversations, but also the more like the boy-
Turner images to get that's what I was thinking about, yeah that the swimmer from seeing who got released because you know nobody wanted to mess up his swimming career and he raped a girl. So so I only think I think he drugs. I think I don't know that every out like to be the truth, but that's the theory issue is incapacitated. She was incapacitated she and when she told the story, it's like she's at a party and all of a sudden she's waking up the dumpster and the two men who witnessed it were so upset the two and the grown men work, eyeing him and now so upset of what they witnessed. That's not something You go. Ok, we'll don't do this anymore. Who would do that for like we have to start treating it and talking about it as the EC.
Stream. We violent criminal act that it is an also stop fucking using the phrase sexual assault. I was things that are facing a museum if its rape, its rate, some people's set leg. You know sexual assault, it's not sex, dont use the word sex when it's just rang, not unconditional and knocks an angel sacks nonconventional sex is second rate is right. That's right. Sex is between two consenting adults, so I can call it that also date. Rape is right. Rape is rape, that doesn't mean it just ice and chill rape, no it straight, also theirs. It wasn't a pre agreement that that agreement got broken, which is what date rape alludes to write. He went on a day. What did you hear someone upset know this person is a rapist, yeah leaders and re people unless your rapists. Only oh man, I mean I think we're coming down pretty hard and an anti rape stance. I think it's clear that our anti ray?
we're and we're saying it's too our listener. Yes, if whom are convinced that you guys stop it, stop it we're lucky two fucking crocheted nipple belts, no to rape. Just you know where we stand, we're gonna tell you how it works, no grey area. Oh man, you ready for yours yeah. This is going to be a bit of a left, her how can you say it's fun died. It's an upturn, it's an uptake from its It's not the most upsetting before me that really I'm not! I swear I'm not criticizing you it really. That's the one that gets me where I deny almost try not to think about is just an awful I didn't do that, I'm like, but their people I mean that these are the stories people. When you talk about them. It's important year can also cause she's a survivor, yeah survive and she has a story to tell it. I think she's now come on telling. I bet she yeah. I bet what a whore she's doing amazing work and
you know, there's no, I mean just to think of the nightmare she went through. Yeah is, he has a survivor you she has to be. Very strong person to be able to move to move forward not on from a foreigner? Yet I also think. You do certain things in your life, and there are no amount of Jesus as nails that can help you after a while just just not that anybody that needs to hear that message is listening, but it's just a personal theory. I have you can pick the Bible are you. I mean like that's. The whole idea of DNA is like yeah now you're forgiven, but you can't just fucking children are proud. What are we doing? God doesn't want you anymore so you're saying I mean I own I'm ok with that! What's the: where can we start? talking about, will anything ever settle down? What we can talk about actual
rehabilitation what works, what howdy, how do you six people that do terrible things will we have admit right now. Is that we don't know yet, and so why are we? Why are we saying, oh he's route readability here we can let em out, we don't know the brain and we don't know psychotic. Psychology is pretty new fuckin thing. Why are we saying that we know well enough to let some island good behaviour that their rehabilitated? Yes, a fucking, pretending that you that you would Fucking College for eight years and became you know, You read all the textbooks, so you know when someone is fucking rehabilitated. Why are we leaving that happen they pretended. They went to college and their below. They did I'm saying that people who are living in or went to what psychology and go do online. Phoenix Universal, Phoenix, University, fuck, em degree and criminal justice. How about that? We put
child rapist on the great PAN, Pacific, the garbage patch, that's about five miles wide and it's made of garbage its floating in the sea in their garbage people, you go out there and you take your take that act out into the garbage patch cause. I that's and these are not win back to shore. Then you get off on whenever such behaviour here. We have gets garbage patches. This is not helping ice- Stephen cut them tired, even got my story all right, I want to talk to you about a man named rabbi, Fred, new land, or do you know him now? Ok, so I got most of this from an old city confidential which, if you confidential, the old this one's or narrated by a man, a great actor name, Paul, Wingfield and Paul.
Field narrated? The show like he had a margarita in what he is so chilled out its feels like when he tells you the story and the writing is so hilariously brilliant. They are you, the story of the it's called the confidential, so they tell you all about the city first, so they're like it was spend on community exactly Jerry Hill Pennsylvania was asleep Burke and then it becomes he'd. They do it systematically. So since because this was about the rabbi, it was all biblical references mosaic but evil did live here. And it's like these kind of talk. You think back he's a little slurry innuendo we but yeah, but legs such obvious in that it's not that I love that show its. The best show. I used to watch it. My turn away forensic files on constantly in that show? Is it Thousands like adorable
data up? You know it's a sitting on mental legitimately gurdy confidential is beautifully. Put together, beautifully, produce share good stories to great stories. They get great people, the here's. I loved the hometown, reporters they're, the ones that no the whole story angels and this their big fucking moment be on tv and be like I know I wrote about called the wine and the one. It's me He passed, listen, I went to Fucking Phoenix University Journalism score and I'm finally fucking getting my come up and put a lot of these people. Like it's true. It's like these. This one woman whose rapporteur for it was like the Cherry Hill Gazette ever the hell written down. You knows on Youtube and ever go watch it. It's so good, but these are these are real. These are people who are like this is what the towns like this is what we used to this is it so cool
they give you the sense of what is going on in there always such like. There's such earnest people trust them you. They know what they're talking about it's nothin, bullshit over here, where it's like, I think it was in pencil they there like. They know for a fact everything they say is active and though you hanging over here like sitting on the couch right now, I was pointing to myself. I thought you might like L a time I was like Mon Cover and I would like the West Coast. I get no, no okay! So, yes, if you want, if you want to get the full story, the city confidential, on there. Also just I do recommends getting onto do too like enter some true crime, something because they just have a million old shows on Youtube that are who crime stories they just data. This one doesn't have the title city confidential. It just says Fred, new and oh yeah. Then you click it. So somebody- was avoiding
getting tremble alive so that you can still watch him smile anyhow, please do support city company It doesn't exist anymore. Okay, so Jerry held Pennsylvania is a suburb of Philly, its middle upper middle class and might sound familiar to you because it had the first indoor mall on the EAST coast, the Cherry Hill Mall. Okay, now, ok, so that's exciting for that happy for them at right. People mean it used to be like because the highway, seventy used to go from Philly to Cherry Hill, and so basically that road was always full of traffic. As people who worked in the city and lived in the suburbs, and so they started building you know, stores along the road, because everyone was always on the road and that's what led to the first indoors
mom. I never thought of that thing. I guess there's a first one yeah just like than they were yeah, and then people just go. Like. The whole city was kind of bill. Around community was in them all. They wanted rapporteur said like. If you want to know the community or sea with communities like you, go to the mall, I level malted mouse did did so Ok, so there's like seventy thousand residents and probably a third of them, are jewish. So there's that you know these porters talk a lot about how much there really is a lot of diversity in this town and so on. The more popular temples and Cherry Hill is called core shalom. It was founded by by Fred new lands? Nineteen? Seventy four? He was an assistant rabbi, indifferent Temple, but key. It didn't want to be the assistant any more and he felt like his take on what he to talk about an preach about. Please correct me on any,
These I mean he's, got a catholic wording for very strictly jewish things, and I apologise in advance but curiously wanted his. You know congregation and his leadership to be a little bit more updated and a little different. So he starts this new temple and by the mid nineties, he's got. Four thousand people are going to it. So it's like one of the bigger ones in the city. He had met his wife Carol. College. She was the daughter of a very well to do garment. Business man like us, manufacture like garment. Textile guy. You know textiles, clothing merchant- I guess but she was rich like she grew up in a mansion and long Island and with Butler since Polish. I love that part in there
they talk about a rolling. A rolling lawn down to the ocean in orbit ever like a kind of having butler issues like hanging out makes me feel guilty. A comfortable yeah. We're like someone, silent, yapping they're, ready to do your bidding supporting you. That's what I want to point out that I would hate to sound like a helper. Is someone that just does what ever you ask them to an You d? Have you only pair every five months to share? I stand corrected, I meant that about myself. You know you are correct. Stevens crying then get back in your whole. Stevie put your tuxedo Bygones, ok, so what at the same time as Fred is, you know, must start starting up his basically his own really community in cherry Hell, Carol, Oh, this is that there, with all the
cities that go on in the religious holidays and such like that there's no kosher bakery, so she opens Cherry hills. First, kosher bakery as it was called the Classic Kate Company and she starts, admiringly right. She sees a niche, and that needs to be filled. She does she not. Gonna fuckin rests on her dad's textile, Laura stock now and she's, not going arrest on her rabbi, husbands, good time now, she's gonna be like excuse me. I went to a party and yet Can I couldn't get a slice of kosher Kate? Can I please it MIKE system. Any part or cream is working to pass, Baker? That's closure. Racism are not doesn't get bacon rubbed on it. So she starts this key. Company and does great. So by than in the early nineties, the new Anders are killing Their son Matthew is
a medical student but he's also parttime M T their daughter, Rebecca, lived in Lee. I don't know think about her, but I want to say great thing: shoes I mean she lived in Valea. She got out a cherry hell. She may what she wasn't. No slump no, no, I'm and she still got along with her family, because her and her mom talk on the phone all the time. So the only worry was this Carol at the said Kate Company made to take was between five and twenty grand a day holy shit. So it's a middle aged mom, type, who's, driving home early shit, ton of car every night. So friends, to be concerned about that, and he tells Carol we're into this, because I think we need better security, our house and for you- and we need to kind of like addressed us so in
princess. He knows a guy. So what was in nineteen. Eighty to a man named Lehne, Jan off head, to the Temple because someone in his a group recommended that he goes speak to Rabbi Fred New Meyer, because at that I'm LAN had just getting divorced, he was totally broke. He was a raging alcoholic, doing very eat like really bad in general, and also its people, say he was kind of a bit of a liar, so he added get kind of. He had some personality issues and some work to do and when you to go talk to Rabbi Fred New Mire? They got a long, gray and and Fred said: come to this temple. Don't worry about paying anything like you, we want here you're welcome, and he really made a place for him there and they both smoked
at the time, so they would sneak off and smoke together, resuming rabbies rabbis might maybe they're not supposed to smoke or think it's frowned upon or something or he would sneak away here with his friend and they would go smoke and talk, and It turned out that when had a lot to say he had been a Vietnam vat and then, according to him, he worked for the CIA and the FBI and special forces. Nobody, if the effectually done that you dont, say exactly what someone sudden city confidential ups worse swear to God, I think, gum his own friends. There is another guy that was this classic like cause. This thing was shot in. Ninety ninety five hundred and ninety five. So there is some amazing, like amazing, colored blazers, there's some frosted too. But he's France at the exact same thing, people who worked in the CIA do not tell you stories about when I used to work at sea area, the part of
lens reason for drinking so much cause he'd been in the shade and seeing this so I want to say anything about a showcase, so on Tuesday nights Karol as the classic company has, it's her managers, meeting nine answers stays at work until eight, so that night November, First to ninety four is a Tuesday and comes home at six o clock and he brings pizza home for him you too have for dinner cause. They know carols so could be there and then Matthew goes for his shift being an empty at six. There are now joining This is going you mind. So then Fred goes back to the Temple because carols not gonna, be there. So he goes back to the temple. He pops in on the assistant, rabbis Judaism class, and he put
and on the fire in practice and he's gonna hanging out a Temple noughties doing when Carol comes home at eight o clock snow, Tom and she's talking the phone to her daughter, Rebecca and while there on the phone she says to her daughter, o the bathroom them through man's here again and like what are you talking about and then Carol explains that a man had dropped by to deliver something for Fred. The father and then said just handing the thing to her. He asked if we could use the bathroom and so came in and use the bathroom, no, Rebecca. Very upset about that was like. I don't like that, all don't let a man and she said, no he's fine he's this lobby guy is kind of like you know, these nothing to worry about, basically is what she and then they get off the phone.
And she says, he's a friend of your father's, so dont worry about ninety. Fred comes home from the Temple and no one's home and then, when he gets inside doorway more. He looks in the living room and its white Carpet way furniture like almost in a completely white room and its covered in blood. Far there's blood everywhere and Carol, is laying in the middle of the living dead He calls nine one one and when because nine when one, he sons really upset- and mustard and at one point he says to the dispatcher or then I'm on one operator should I touch her. He asked that's so, nor any thought about that Africa's eyes, like that's kind of we're point to make, and then I thought well, that's a thing where, if I walked in department to come and record, and you were lying in the middle of the floor rate.
I would run over to you and be like George: are you ok and touch you bunch here without asking anybody about any, wouldn't think yourself? Oh, I don't want to contaminate this crime scene right, our us, I'm gonna, hang back, let's hope like carefully she's, ok, so that that noted basically I thought about that has been so his so as you, on the phone call he says you have to tell the do. You have tell them. My son is an m t. They can't send him here and so, like the word goes out, but it didn't matter because he was like the third group that I have so miles the address but but he wasn't on that call or that IRAN or whatever so by the time, he did arrive there then police and ambulance whatever he tries to run inside. He has to get physically restrained,
from running inside and then he looks over and sees his father just standing in the driveway, just kind of staring land and notices that there is no blood on his father at all. There's not a drop of anything on his father and then he asks and key. The rabbi didn't say last rites over her, whom he cheated The prayer like this. There are things they were saying that they would assume he would have done as a rabbi with a dead person. Now, who because it's his wife sure so he might have just been in total shock and like wandered out fair, but when These were exiting the house coming in and out. He never asked anybody what's going on what happened to her, he never said a word. He was just standing there very dispassionately staring and if you, found me and I was scared to death and then no go through your mind, as is the killer stolen the house? Yes, you know, I mean yeah, do not think that how long
did this happen re? Who did it? What is happening in this? Why are they still here? Yeah, I think that's a natural fucking fuck you suddenly, the scariest. So he doesn't even think about that. Now, that's bad, like that's about it, Yes, and also I did hear a bit of his nine hundred and eleven call- and it's just I just hate so much when it sounds like peep I hate fate crying sound like he is, a letter that, but it's like I just I slept good, acting and thence offends me when people are like old This'Ll pass. The ass is how people act when there is everyone else's so stupid, and I'm so smart that they'll never know that this is fucking faith, yeah, of course, I'll buy, so I'm so good and so believable on these decisions about to make about what a real person yes, emotions rights like who wouldn't murder his wife yeah. Ok, so go to paper,
so, of course, immediately becomes the focus of the investigation cause, he's the husband and because these weird word behaviour yeah they start talking to, but he is alibis airtight as we, while in the choir teeth Oversight, Amy, This don't rob. I saw the ass every one. What time it was sick for real and to the point where the cops for me, like that's a superior tied I'll, buy from one second only start asking people at the Temple. It were. Is the first time in four years, he'd ever gone into the Judaism cloud. Oh my god, and the choir leader was unknown to hate interruptions. No one went into choir practice. While it was going on, it was an end. Himself knew that about do some due diligence and come in like once in the second week beforehand again, I'm telling you had a fuckin kill someone, but let it it's. The thing of
Don't know it stinks really how natural people act, how people act in a natural way you're not going to be able to recreate it if you're a sociopath. This guy I've singly every one second thanks on whether you think it once dumb and also clearly he's got it a bit of a god. Complex issues like I need my own temple, but so ok Then they go to the phone records and They realise that the rabbi been calling this one number and they go and look at it and it's a local Philadelphia radio talk show host an yes and We'd have to find her name shit this is a weird turn. I wasn't expecting you not see this one come away, didn't see that we are going to go into top radio. Now I deny yeah world hung about that hypocrisy.
Neither did anybody else's, especially the fans of aliens sore scenes of but your radio she's a radio personality, so basic They do all the math. They see that he's p called her. He called her. The day after the murder and said like hang in there. I really want to be with you. They fuckin. What's that they fuck oh they straight. I fuckin yeah, so find out. All these calls are going to her house. This is a woman who the reason they met is because two years earlier- presided over her husband's funeral. Aha girl s, that's right and They had started having an affair. They say roughly two months later now, yet funny calm. He moved right.
You don't fuck someone whose husband you said that caught ashore Bracky. That's my eyes! That's what you that's here! You have that tattooed re okay, so, oh I'm sorry I just got. I just got to my own peas paper. They began she admitted that they started having an affair. Ten days now. Her husband's funeral ten days are now after her husband funeral. Now, yes, and two years later she gives him an ultimatum. She says I want sneak around with you anymore You say you want to leave your wife leave your wife and if you don't do it by the end, of ninety ninety for this, over and I'm starting afresh in the new year and he's like have on instead. Well here so that was in October, Nineteen, eighty four and the murder happens in November. He's told her
this all sorted out by your birthday, which was in december- and she said you know- I mean break up sorted out. Do you mean yeah you're going to end their relation? No, no! That's what they made a horrible murderer. Oh that's! when I was at all So yes, so he was making a lot of calls for her, so the police, all the evidence they have is circumstantial, so it even though everyone's like that deaf about his air tight alibi still in airtight I'll buy just like everyone's like this is yeah this thanks to Heaven, but it doesn't matter they can't get any hard hence until the cops tell the lame that Fred lander was also having affairs with other women, not the temple besides her yeah and when she's like guesswork, hey about guess what everybody and she spills it. Then
Anything there for her, not tat. If she hadn't known that she would have never told anyone, sneering yeah, I mean I bet she needed to believe that he didn't do it or the It was all like. I'm sure he was telling her. Of course, the Hawaiian suspected we're always suspected hang in there with me what it was Fuckin, Marina them because any murdering over I get the fuck away from me. Yeah. That's that's here I told her. I told you Trust me one: God closes the door, he opened the window. When she farther something to get the fuck out of here. It's like you're, the happiest rabbi. I've ever heard, you're supposed to be really eloquent and halfway good sayings, yeah That's grant a serious man. Ok, maybe so in may have A thousand lend Jan off goes to a local, oh, no, sorry that waves, what you're telling me what she was like, so she found lean, yeah so badly
finds out that he, the cops, are like he's having all these other fashion. She's like oh fine, then the blah blah blah, and then none of this is, as I believe it to be, but that wasn't that wasn't until we later. I believe it was. She finally tells them that in ninety ninety six, but still circumstantial could be like the lady, that's mad, because the guy didn't pick her time whatever when it finally facts- is when Land Jan Off goes to a local reporter answer, telling her about how he was told that that basically rat rabbi, Fred New Lander who sorry in the meantime lender becomes the rabbis spokesperson. So need there's news cameras any time. There's reporters on the front line The rabbi sends land Jan off out to talk to them, and this guy is just
bullshit her and apparently he was he. Wouldn't he we would call people he would give cause what's? He was like a way out in front of the story and he loved to hand out a private investigation business card. Like heap and insecurity business card. The whole thing made me think of the sheriff penny guy that, like all handle this I'll, be the mouthpiece I like. What are you doing here? another second big had ed socio yes and so they work on that guy for a long time. He eventually tells a reporter that the rabbi, hired him for thirty thousand dollars to kill his wife, he too He spills only, and so he tells the story that here and his friend Paul Daniels, who he met in a and Paul Daniels, was twenty years old when this happened and he Ray picture of him. He looks dumb than the last. Like every
extra his mouth is open and it looks like he can't believe he's where here it's super sad and I know wrong to be like, oh, that poor terrible criminal that murdered this woman re. But it really looks like he got looped into something that he kind of didn't notice. He could be talked into anything yes, but I mean irradiate out because still what happened? Was they knock on the door? That night at the house? Karel answers. The door recognizes the bathroom man and they and she's what happened she led them into the house or from whatever they said to her at the door. He was like come on. You guys runs around our work as she trust him. I saw her husband's friend and she turned around a walk in and one of them had some pits or on the back of the head with a pipe, and she was down they cracker head open. She goes down in the living room and then, and the Paul Daniels Guy says he did that one hit, and then
when Jan off went in and just beat her to death, but that's the story that guy gives the they in the in the city, com Angel the report this the report describes it, whereas, like it's, a white living room and there's just blood everywhere, it lay it so disturbingly off can I call you, kill a personage just like yeah there's, floods batter there that whatever it's our word legend. Yes, such a horrible, word terrible, violent Diana so Finally, so finally they get there Let's get enough evidence, so they can indict Fred New Meyer for this new mandatory for this death, so they go they have the first trial, and in that trial, all this I've comes out to it. Just like all this gossip from the Temple all the stuff, they it's just they had no idea that thereby was this much of a douche bag
comes out in trial and the they find out that Daughter? Let you know the mother had just said to the daughters, the bathroom, then they find out that lending I've had been there the week before on the Tuesday night, when she was to be there by herself, but he got cold because we, when he went in Fred New I told him it needed to look like a robbery. They needed to be stealing that cake company money but when he walked in. He couldn't see her purse, and so he knew he wouldn't be able to make it look like a robbery. He got cold feet asked, use the bathroom and then left That is why his the bathroom man that's weighs about the man he was there. He was supposed to kill her that night and basically puncture. Shit yeah, so they They get it all in trial and the jury is deadlocked and its declared a mid term. Now, yes, and this
five years more than five years of police work and lawyers or in one area its declared a mistrial and when its declared a mistrial Fred New Lander smiled and the prosecuting attorney saw him smile and the next morning went down and filed, for the trial immediately? Secondly, are doing this again? May I am so what A new trial starts Donnie that paper when the new trial starts this time. Children will testify for the price. Secure should allow so we're back and Matthew now come and tell the story, and it's that honest, really different and he's like. Basically, it's very sad the sun is just like my father was watching this whole thing and had no motions whatsoever and like his mother was murdered in his father. Didn't care so awful anyway at the
end of the second trial in two thousand to he's declared guilty and own he does this speech at the end. That is the latest, and that thing we ve seen before, where they just talk about themselves and how hard it is and what a and he Actually, at one point at the end of this kind of rambling speech, that kind of makes no sense these quoting viable verse horse and then as I and I alone no I am innocent and then just like all listen what you just said we like you just said: you're super fucking, gelding re right, nothing, security in our guilt ear. But then, after that, carols brother, Edward stands up- and he goes in the past eight years- you have acted in a manner so repulsive that words cannot begin to describe the person that
become you are a murderer, a liar, a coward, a cheat! You ve dishonoured Carol yourself, your children, this court, the rabbit your congregation. And Judaism, and I d I'm watching city confidential, I'm too sick pausing in writing. Down every word. Edward says his eyes. Like that's fucked. Ass, powerful lake, you Basically, like do when everything you're doing it's, not what you're here in yourselves, yeah God does I can't anymore. That's right. You blew it, So now he serving life sentence Paul Danny and when Janni off were both given twenty three Errors, for their part, is allowed act which is kind in saying that they're the ones it swung the total ape, but it was because it was his plan Freds plan yeah it's an intention
our intention was aunt to kill your wife. It was to get my Yet more someone else and also lend Jennifer's promise that he was gonna get here go, be able to go, join them Assad there the israeli Army, it's called it so right, that's the israeli army there, massage or it might be- is really special forces that basically, he believed that he was gonna go from there to then go be like a super soldier half which just shows that back. I was pretty not here he was released from jail in twenty fourteen and uphold Daniels hers release in October of twenty forty. Are you serious, oh yeah, really visa waivers anything cause. I I wish I could show you how insane these pieces of paper look of my handwriting. I'm handwriting city, cannot now how you can do that. It's kind of funding
watch tv and if you like, this is important and re writing it down. But I didn't I went out of order both files were televised. Uncorked tv, oh yeah, No, I never even heard of it. I know its not crazy, as is so sky, Arthur J Magda wrote a book. Called the rabbi and hit man about this case and this is just one last story from it- that I thought was pretty good, so a congregant who was a doktor had been friends with new for twenty years and traditionally went to the rabbis house further annual breaking of the fast after young or and when new lander was charged with this crime. Before the trials, the physician told do new lander, he wasn't gonna keep their tradition and the rabbi wanted to talk it over, and so he went his friends house and sitting in the living room that doctor told New Landor he believed tat. He had had his wife killed. That new Lander never behaved like a grieving widower that when the physician plans,
offer reward for the information about the murder. New lander asked for the money for himself knew lander asked his friend to provide a letter explaining that medication he was taken for a heart problem would have caused to fail, as lie detector tat and after an he had emotive because, with his wife gone hidden, The worry about the message worse than he could go on with his lady talk. Show host radio touch us so new land or tries to defend himself saying he loved his wife. Then the doctor says for no matter what you say? I can't help, but like you cause your charming in your beguiling, but I think you're, a psychopath and a murderer and new lander stands up to leave walks. If steps away then turns back and says well nobody's perfect in fact, in Crete, her
Can you answer response still in your house and that's what he says to. I think you killed your wife, so I dont want to hang out with you anymore and you're, a psychopath, nor psychopath, like us, on called me, a psychopath. It would ruin me a bit like am, I know I know it. I'd be very heard for most people why he also a doctor a doctor, a d we can argue with the amateur he didn't get as degree from Phoenix. No, I bet you that was a real cherry, hell doktor. He got his says it's from Vienna. He actually got a cosmetology degree because he was interested in the sunlight that animals like no. I like Benazir, like cutting airline coming people the while at some fucked up shit, that's the rabbi and actually do do for people who suggested this one, but Mc Colors friend, Craig is the one who told me to do. It in either he listened to the podcast or he just
suggesting things to be, but it was because Craig lives and Cherry hills from cherry allow yeah, that's fine yeah! I mean no buts, it's not funny law, that's a fucked up terrible thing. That was a good there's, a good story there. Ok thanks good because I really did haven't written on nine. This different peace, the papers I online even after me. There too, yes, So we can live on a slightly oh yeah. We should talk about a positive thing. We like yeah! I think that made us happy. Why would seem Let's see mine. I have been on the couch a lot since it up from Portland and takes a lot. It really does, but then also, once I get on the couch I've a real hard time getting back off languages, so much easier to stay there. It is watching me family, oh yeah, I t vote modern family and it is just such a.
It's such a well written show it's such a good job. The characters are so watchful and likeable. I'm. So in love with cam of men, when com to gain as it's the the best characters like it, but all of them with their just so many good jokes. Now the thing is its tv. Writing is very hard and very there they been delivering lake a plus grade. Comedy for like ten year I mean all I did was enter it anymore. ITALY I'd like fifteen episodes of modern family, and I got it from my sister. I will give her full credit because she's been does it, since the moment came out and That's why I have a song where a reference modern family, where I say in the song, if one more person tells me to watch modern family like level blah and alone You like! Oh you, hate that show it's like! No, no I'm just taking that from a real anecdote of me and my sister like
the time I talk to my sister on the phone. She would tell me to watch it. I was certainly beginning and then stops. It stood It's amazing yeah! It's just per it's just perfectly written on that. And I've been having great lift driver conversations. That's nice Its carriers get scared that site I have a nightmare when the other day I am today. Percent a nightmare conversation s, which means he was just talking at me and I was getting Ursa from it and you go duty, ear. Puglia, hereabouts! That's awesome, that's a sweet one! Yeah! There's it's been pretty pleasant, but I really have the car it's Riddick, I'm acting like Miss Daisy, by the nice sometimes to have like a pleasant commerce- where you laugh about how bad drivers and allay our yeah yeah, which works I guess I just
watching it yesterday, but I'm big little eyes. Oh yeah. What I do you think I would like. I never read the given the articles eyes like you may like this, you may like this amendment now I, while you know like of brass you're end, you know everything the year, I that some from Operas book club, that's the kind of them. Of course, fucking, amazing and the show is so good and it was all these female characters that words, then their whole lives were based on that These whole lives. Around their husbands and families, and they were the characters, instead of being the backup singers yeah. I know I know she's like about them was about them and there co star in life was their partner. Just kind of cool. Acting so fucking. Good and shyly would Lee with her new Shelly Chilean yeah she's. Just like I want he's such a great issues. So great a man was really for. It was fun,
and God and there's a murder and there's a murder, mystery o o I didn't know that his eyes tried to watch the first. I'm I swear to God. I don't think I got formats in and the first exchange to women had talking to each other the tones of voice they were using made me turn mighty ask as it was like Oh hi earlene! No, yes, you or whenever I was like they all come out is like panty, Kuntz, ok, and then it's like that there should go on agreeing the surface. Oh I'm going back and its among its ought. The whole thing is a murder mystery, oh shit, Ellis and its good and their everyone is having these. The Nicole Kinmen and Alexander Sars Guard relationship was amazing. Cool like you, just need a watch it to see the two of them It takes a lot of shit but she's an increase, The black sea they're gonna win out of my words, research than I think, you're gonna. When it all, I sent my funding
if the other day of member, when shoes clapping at the Oscar yeah someone made there- and I can't figure out if someone did this to the give- or if this is real, what it look like, but it looks like her fingers. This like it, she she is alien fingers. I she's cool. I think that's real! Is it what her hands really look like I dont know. I saw that too, and I I think it's real We were last. I was laughing anyway when I found it is she. It looks like it looks like flippers here it looks like her nails. Our way and she's trying not to let them near each other, but also that she's from Mars yeah That aside, that's giving her shit when I say she takes a lot of shit, but she, for example, when she started acting in Fuckin australian. You know, I'm the pretty girl, the props gray. She then an incredible did you ever see dead com or she's on the boat? Oh, my god. If you want to see like an amazing murderer it like it's,
not horror, I guess it be suspense or something action it's her and SAM Neil. I think and somebody else there on a bow. It's so good and she is like it's when she had her kinky curly hair and she had her freckles and she was probably twenty Ange o beyond boy you she's gorgeous than she still to this day. I'll play these a wealthy. These wealthy women from Monterrey, and everyone has these secrets underneath kind of a thing and its there's some. You know I'm gonna need this is. Are you need it? I was bombed that I didn't bend Raja because add away too weak to launch the New Enzo get in there go bench, yeah, also Adam Scott, in it who I adore Arab Scots, and I hear it plays a really great character. Its he's fine, ok, that's a good idea. Sure I'm so that made me happy that this week, anything else in either.
Oh, I think that we said last episode was lake. Sixteen sky said it was like sixty seven and it was sixty two or some tat, for I was off by a lot. What's the numbers citizens sixty three didn't. Last week. I say it was late. Sixties, seven I mean, but errors were up there. Ass fifty were not like someone was setting our watch back, oh shit, authorities. I said I was gonna. Do this thing in my life before sixty seven have in an hour of cheap myth attack there, like you know what I mean stop smoking around episode, sixty, Sardinia and I haven't than I am going to start smoking. Someone we made on Sportsmen Elvis. Well, you thank you for listening to our friend, guys, thank you for breathing year. Are you are late hour on our irish system and heart and soul. An honor system of I, mostly your honor system here. If you take a penny,
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