Karen and Georgia cover the case of Jennifer Pan and the murder of Irene Garza.
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our two about a couple things called crimes and true truth nest. He loved truth and ass. We He also enjoy talking about crimes will never Lydia, look low get things right. Yes, not intentionally re right, but in my life, but there will be time to we deeply mislead, Johan and we'll get you to say the wrong thing to your friends and co workers in iraqi voice, the w, because of your top right and your delivery or telling you it's all about town in in income, incantation. It's all about incantations and it's all about spells and about having short term jobs. You don't have to go back on the same people after like two weeks. Lie down a marker. Hide you meet one person in the hole in the eight jobs. You hide as attempt. That's like you're. The best person you ve met. Then they you will go on a merry that person right. This is our guarantee, as it was a lady, a look around the office right now.
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Futures female, but there is also there's a parallel future of Nicias Anders again neighing Meum Bialik is Fuckin arguing about share that doesn't make any sense. It's like now picking emissions gonna be the only way we let any one know you to break to say: hey you matter to me and I knew of blossomed anew and not talkin, anticommunist, yeah, asshole and so take, and so prep yourself. Before you regulations and the spread of this over. This has been an apprehensive rash little promo code merit idea, really quick, shouted to the two ladys due to pack in. So we we just finish our last weekend. Tour of twenty seventeen, yet in Saint Louis, an Kansas City was fuckin amazing fund. We can we, unless you guys, think you we meet a bunch of awesome people after the show at the meeting greet and everyone
like every fourth person. Come up and assure homemade my favorite murder sure let s just funny and weird and shit that we'd all remember saying or is like something they drew. It's it's! Ok! funniest. Oh there was too those that had stay sexy, don't get murdered in winding. The that I and I was like do people on it was yet Sd Gm winging rays. New and I was like. Does anyone? Is anyone able to read windings off the dome and then know what that says and they were like not yet perfect? What are these great and then there are two other ladys and they had short such a said. Promo code murderer- and I was just like you fucking subtle, as far back as rich as we as so hard, never even crossed our minds. That Thou was like a funny thing. The wings also included a bomb yeah cause Dunk. I think a murdered must be bomb right.
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filled with the best chocolate Yokota I've ever had, and I think there is either rice, krispies or cornflakes in there, so they were really small increase being whoever did God bless. You are eight, maybe six of them just standing. I talking we got a full cheesecake. Oh my god, people went crazy for that. She is correct. We got this a haunted, scary clown That's all it's over there. Yes, so these these lovely women, these two women brought. I don't know where fuck. They must have found it like. I think they set a second hand: job yeah and there like somehow they suddenly like Karen and Georgia, need this simple idea like what does that say about us? It was like Raggedy, Ann Homemade, clown doll from the seventies, knitted knit ed that clearly, whatever child God it was. Terrified of clear, didn't, look like an admin touched now because of one side of the clowns face was of the cloud, was happy clown and then turned it over and work poster- and it was the most terrifying clowns, sad
see I've ever seen. Yes, with silver tears, knitted around in the face seven year and a half suppose that ok, it is so upsetting and also the best part, was the way the girl. This wasn't saint Louis. The way the girl walked up close woman sorrows do that she held it. She was also a ghost like she was really weird and stiff and kind of like really slitting. She had been looking for. It are giving us cause for at whom I should like. Finally, it's here at the zoo was so good everything about the presentation she said to me. She goes turn it. Yeah and then horror show we soon you are young, you guys will see at seven. I was in say windings. The bomb is an island murder at yet no ray. It's ok, perfect just happens to be a bomb, so perfect for us to wings made for us. Oh, my God links things like mine,
personal, I didn't know. I loved like, as I've left a lot of fonts, mostly times new Roman. But wings are you now. I only is George of I know, but from here are now I'm doing my fuckin bullet journal only in wind and thereby so perfect. Kay by life. Oh, but you have, I was gonna, say what things about my sweet dreamer, hackers. I was talking about it over the weekend with little. I love you because I don't. I really care so much, and I I know that there are people who, like sped through reading it, and there are people who responded like I thought we were going to do a global hold when we were doing a thing and then we were like nope guy you like it or not it. This is up sudden. Ninety nine, if you don't know that by now the flickering except for fine Ray
We do it just taking me forever to read it, because I have this book with I'm I'm attacking on two fronts, which, as I have the hard bound copy next to my bed and like an old widow and then I ate out above box of chocolate. As I read it, and then I also of the audio books was listening to it on the plane, and I just would like to read a couple and makes me so happy Owen. Also so many people have said you have to listen. A teen creeps to save this great episode on this, but I dont want to listen to that until I am reading this book, so it doesn't influence what I'm saying in any way sure if that makes it so I will definitely do that. Has so many people are recommended at even our own Stephen they didn't have. A set of us would observe, as it looks done, my senior Gina, but I was just inside China have been on. The pike, has twice and really fun Americans in color really sweet day. They the fact that they read a book every week to do this by gases. Incredible that, like I want it,
It's what mostly way at all like our I'll sign. In Christopher Biometrics. This shit's little that's two hundred pages. You have a holiday to read me a thing. Ok, we write a book report. They have to read a book, they have to read a book and talk and report and reported it. Ok, so the I'm now in the part where she meets I don't have his name written by our own boring, allow dreamer she were boring old second best. Nobody like up adrenal you're, not the dead one. Therefore you're, not as good a drain on down our dream. He saw her second best. Second places. First loser. First, there were a second is the worst. Secondly, worser she goes into the forest which is constantly forbidden to go into your stupid. We ve told you my her family, how many times she'll nine o clock reminder for people she's nine years old. Then she goes into the forest there's a home in the forest where
where's. I'm picture it looked full on gingerbread house and in the house is boy his name is odd in and then his mother lives are too and she hides behind a screen, watches and break the hard, and in the book is talking about like areas a hot, ass and shit out of years old. I swear to God so Easy Andrews. I mean, I think, she's just laying out a lot of like lets the let's break out. Taboos. Is she a pedophile? No, I think she's welcoming your mind to explore options. You have up until this point told yourself, you are not allowed to explain our pedophilia, let well or just alike appreciation of a twelve year old boys ass in genes rightly so, but then she gets being in the woods people. Appealing as harbour yeah a nine year old, stalker so her father come storming an grabs, her every
action with her father. I get so nervous, that's going to boil over and incest every time they talk or breakfast or whatever, there's so much inappropriate in Ike intensity, but one point he starts. He says Sir common people will wield terrain. Your special bits ladder. Down, as you say, he sang like you're too good to those people in the world. All you address and I who work making you the creepy is creeping creeper yeah, don't talk to come people their fuckin, yeah she's. Like take my specialness plea. I am so sick of especial less, but she is she.
Really quick reminder. She's a nine year old and her hair is all colors and our eyes are all color. What the fuck was that it Jake it's it's like true. It's like she's, a Kaliko child and that's part of her specialness o also the description when Vieira get spanked by daddy area and its down to like her as burning through her thin underwear like it gets into detail. Where I like know this I think we need to talk to Visa Andrew available. I dont know we need to have a little fucking quickie Congo, with her I mean it, it just write. It goes right up to the edge and then and then scatters back and then kicks it in the shed immense. Has I've a crush on you in South Eastern runs away. Elizabeth ratios bruised shin? Yes, oh and then I said this at the show, the other night, but my favorite, I'm assuming its a misprint, some
She describes somebody and appreciates cousin Vieira coming down. The hall clumsily clambering, which I'm like I'm almost positive clambering isn't word clamouring, makes so much sense, though it makes more sense, but you can't, if you're gonna, say clambering and not lumber, Ionia Clumsy, as will get clumsy out of there and get a different adjective wouldn't without the ceo at the beginning is now yours, clubs, We clambering as your borderline like rod, dull. Why can't you just start singing a song, Opel, OPA style, and it's like? Ok, stop tripping area Fuckin feet Now who vera everyone should they encumber it's the girl kept spanish books about children. I have one talk about ok, but this is a bad one. I mean that this is a matter. This is a real one. Ok, so last week we got in and r p o box a couple books from a woman who lives.
Ohio and gave us too, like Ohio, true prime books, you took one young and I kept the other and started reading it and I am halfway through not fucking obsessed with had so go. This is more woman named Karen something to us and its. This one's called Amy, my search for her killer here. I'll show you she's, its is our true crime, one her name's Amy, Michalek, she's from Cleveland suburb and chief disappeared on in October of nineteen? Eighty nine- and this do James runner who's the author, whose like heat, he like pitched it to his like newspaper in town and he was working on and now this whole book is written by him. Trying to find out in going through fucking issues backed and talk, into the car, the main investigate the FBI, agents to fucking family and its. Is so well and he answered
himself in the book, in a way that doesn't suck yak as he was the same age ass? She was when she disappear in town over and like so. It's part of him in the way that our Diane Guy, the way that we remember growing up in seeing this person's face and but your men to us and its it is such a fucking good book. Amazing. Am, I can't wait to finish it. So it's it's by, is called Amy, a search for my search for her killer by James Runner and I'm totally obsessed with- and in case you can't find it gives it looks pretty. It's called it's a poem. By gray and company publishers and W W W dot, gray, co, dot, com gnp. Why gee? I'm sorry you're a wine, so if you can't find it in normal ways, it's on gray, co, dot com, it's written. So, while James Runner, you can like you can t,
how much it means to him when he's writing it, and it makes the book so heartfelt, an interesting and and one or fallen at really love it yeah. That's awesome! Yeah he's got a good face. He d you really do not using out of that yeah danger all weekend. I've been reading that good now drinking. That kind of like I can't drink too much, because I want to thank those of kings James second in here and my uncle is now that's right teams, James. You should send them a Starbucks guard. Oh, on that. I swear to God that wasn't an intentional subway, but I would like to thank lagging yes known and out. Went to Starbucks the other night England Ale, because I just running errands, and it was the night before I get so weird before we leave their travel and I have to buy things. I want to make sure there. When I get back, I get real rules. He d: where does he like you're, like black dress
in a black dress and another, no nothing I've actually need. I do things like. I need coffee, so I have coffee here when I get my leg, we're LE. Whenever that mean it's just like it's part of my, not wonderfully thousand aversion start telling myself like is I go? I won't be ready, yeah, there's a liberal stocking problem but but it's not Rina, assist recitals that slackened and, worse shady, during our biased and ppm. During the previous baby, a stocking Amor nine year old behind a rain tree when the fuckin, probably robot, Madrina, there's like a whole pick Maxine or I'm like nine year olds on twelve year olds, dont go on picnic. Nine thousand euros are a hundred years of her. Yes, nobody wants no twelve year old ones, Tartarin nine year old. Unless she has here, that's purple, gold, yellow orange and read ok, so I went to the I went to the know this Ex closer to the designer she warehouse and I went
and the only cover they had out were Chris was Christmas bland so the girl behind the counter, if they Italian. That's my kind, she says old on I'll get my car where to go? Look for a fascist, a little bit! I only I like ITALY, just like nineteen thirty five to ride around forty three Verona. The girl comes out of the back, holding like the one bag of italian and when she the door flew open, she's, like oh, my god, whose like hey, I was That's for me and she's. Ok, let me guess- and then this is that's my favorite reaction when people seem genuinely bummed like they don't want to say it, but they ve already acted we're here and it was reciprocate anyway. Long story short didn't act. Be a Sunstroke channel. She was very sweet and was seemed happy and surprise, and then she gave me free pound a coffin, and I was like wait hold on what you pay for my coffee and then just like. No one can have free that every week
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when he told me about. I read up a little bit and I was like out to singular it's too. Like doesn't have enough. I dunno Bells and whistles, or whatever Oddy, and then body body yeah, but then I read it and that's not the case, and I knew it was a good story, because for me it that this, Laurie causes me more and more and more anxiety, as I read it so I'll tell you about this. Is this is the story of Jennifer PAN oh you know this one. Yes, and I love it. So I realise in reading these articles, what I found was, the real like mother. Like the source of misery that exactly the original niece dome of this story was from
an article written by woman named Karen K. Ho what name I'll remember for the rest of my life, for I guess, a magazine called Toronto life, because this, New Jennifer PAN and grew up with her, so was kind of giving a different it like a dog, view how the of the whole thing? I feel it? It's always different when the person whose writing the story knows what the town was like. Where therefrom dna mean like as its can be like any fuckin small town or suffer whenever one, you know what it's like yeah and where the person than with a high school is like and what the curriculum and with persons expect, expectations are yet this given the context because contacts and this one- yes in that, like it's the family context, especially on this story, because this is one those stories about what they while the dragon parents so right, there's tiger tell your mom's are one thing, but
there's another term that there there were using and all these articles it was dragging dragon parents or Dragon Father. I think it's, the ones that are way more intense, it's not just like, is its this the kind that are insanely, restrictive and insanely strengthen and tough really high expectations. Weathers kind of you have no choice. There's their failures, non option, re; ok, on November, eight twenty TAN at around nine thirty p M Jennifer PAN locked the front door of our families home in March, Ontario, which is a suburb outside of Franco and went to bed shortly afterwards, a three men entered her home with guns, they ransacked the home. It was a home invasion king for money. They grabbed Jennifer's parents Hahn is her father and big ass, her mother. They too
I'm down into the basement, basically the tv room down on their basement let them down the basement. They were demanding money, they looked all through the master bedroom. They tore up the whole master bedroom to find money kept demanding money rubbing invaded Hon Jennifer Father told them that he had come. In his wallet he was trying to think of their places that give them money from and they shooting Hon in the shoulder and then in the right eye and as a bit Jennifer's mother is screaming. They shoot her three times and kill her Han survives getting shot in the eye. The terror yes this I don't know he broke his oral bone. The bullet grazed the the van that
goes down your throat. I guess this. Is it your juggler or one of those know that our art highway. The ivy in it Bing tier duct, It basically went through as I said earlier, but then like AL, I think out the side and he survived. Jesus upset earth general. They tied Jennifer to the stark staircase, faster and thank you to the ban is urging you stick your head through. He held a hearing in sixteen. She know at the time she is twenty six, oh wow, but she looks sixteen on her. She lives at home. Yes, she lives at home with her very strict parents, so they tie her was shoelaces to the banister and. They shoot the parent and then they always with whatever the cost but they ve, taken living its and ended up being like through around three thousand dollars, and they don't forget,
out of she listens out of the their shoelaces. She calls nine one one she's freaking out there Ups arrive HANS comes out of the basement, he's able to get up and walk outside and neighbours, the first one to find him, and he gets loaded into an ambulance. Jennifer gets loaded into an ambulance. She has a younger brother who is an hour away at college and and they'll get taken. Is she gets met, crisis workers at the hospital they teller, her fathers in surgery. And that her mother's dead she's at the hospital for a really long time. Eventually, they realise that that there is not even wounds like it. There those aren't even read marks on her rest from though she lay there. She is uninjured and she ends up. They take her once she's a hospital. They take her back to the police station and
The detective question her and basically just kind of start asking questions. What happened is? Can you describe these people they maker go through at once? There They do another technique where they make her. Also there are others from case file. One of my favorite case file: that's what that's the episode Edison two of this of shapes. I mean that I'd just as such amazing research, it's just so dramatic. Yes, here he This also pronouncing the moms name bicker, but I only ass ever saw written that it was pronounced back, so I'm well yeah and his Australians Australian our own. What he's doing he's doing something with his voice? So you were ok so asleep she goes, and the cops are like tell me the story. Your way now tell it from above
like Julia and then see what you can remember. So I got so. Where can you imagine having to do that? You, especially the traumatic? Oh there, you are telling the story overall resign, as you see the people acting it out, as so we're it's so crazy, but then that second way does help her to remember and asked able to describe the guy's better, in more detail. She remembers them the names that they call each other different things that they talked about with the money whatever. So it's a little but effective. Right before she leaves the guy says. Oh and we need to check your phone, because if these guys may we think her mom had just come home from line dancing glass, so they're like well. Maybe somebody followed her more like its. She was targeted somehow, so, if it wasn't her, then we want to see if it was you who are being targeted. We need to know we ve been talking to and then in
inner Yucas on the case file thing that that he has all the interview tapes, so they made it starts with the nine. When one tape where I was on the freeway, does you listen on the way over and I grab that phone so fast whose cause she is freaking out into the phone, Of course you know screaming, but in the police, interview, tapes, she's, really she's, crying she's, really upset and then the point he says you need to sign a saying, so we can look in your phone. Then she's, like so in all senses, a bunch of questions about how the looking under a phone and what that might. Why he's basically going it's fine, because you're not lying to us just ass. Looking at your phone if you are lying to us, we're gonna find out like who even I can do and if its information we need to Know- and that's when, like that preacher changes a little, because up until that point she was the victim jaws. You know, like the US, one of two survivors of a terrible home invasion- murder romilly, so that
you know. It changes a tiny bit there and then they start looking into her past and the p that she's been talking to and other Jennifer PAN might not be the person that she has been presenting herself to be okay. So basically, her father who had been a tiger dad. All started the beginning. They her parents for both born and raised in Vietnam, and they moved to Canada's political refugees. Nineteen, seventy nine and they got married in Toronto, and then they lived in Scarborough neighbourhood for a while. That's where they had Jennifer nineteen, eighty seven and then her brother Felix in nineteen, eighty nine, The Scarborough neighbourhood apparent it was kind of rough at the time that they lived there. They both Han and worked at Magna International car parts, manufacture and they worked really hard so by Tita
for they see enough money to buy a large house. The two car garage in Markham so Markham was quiet. Suburb north Toronto predict, currently asian families and very it just kind of like where people when it is really just quiet, Loki and now big is driving lax as HANS driving a Mercedes like they're doing very well, and they have reported. They had two hundred grand the bank, so they were totally dedicated to their kids and getting their kids into college. Getting there maybe our kids, a successful you now Canadians as they can do so they didn't allow. Jennifer, then Jennifer was playing piano from the age of four she won. All these award should like a roomful of awards for how good you the playing the piano then she got into ice skating,
she's a little older when chisel older and she did at every single day- and she let's go She was like in training and shifts sites on being in the twenty ten winter Olympics in Vancouver than she tears a ligament in her knee and basically that dream ends or her when she was graduating eighth grade, she thought she was gonna, be the valedictorian and she basically found out. She was getting no academic awards and she was not the valedictorian and that's like all this sudden. She was just like I'm the point, I'm not who I'm supposed to be an she kind of. She had been working your ass off up to that point, so it wasn't, she can make a mark and she was shocked and couldn't believe it and that's totally unacceptable and her family rang her family was like all is all you do is like these extracurricular activities. We ve chosen for you very specifically, and then you're gonna, be like you're. Gonna get a four point. Eight EPA. Essentially
same thing. Now Zeus's as to do the impossible until I got it so so some nights- elementary school. She come home from ice skating at ten then do hard till midnight and then go to bed in elementary school and an animal elementary school. She started cutting herself as a pressure was so intent to be successful on all these different thing she was doing until she was doing little horizontal cuts on our for save yeah. So, oh, so then, when she went to marry Ward catholic Secondary School I skating, was over for her. She started playing flute in the school bans, but every after school, her parents were there to pick her up. One one ban practice was over says she could go home and study, but her grey, and for the way there.
And we considered it were failing tissue- is only getting bees, spoon, gotta, fight and paid for a man with my challenge: shitty cello, Clang Irene. I dont understand why I got any the grades. I got because I'd never tried and I would get busted full variety from air from Ain t. It was just like why try yeah I dont Lord laterally, it's very random. Yet why try? Why try just have a good time it so when she her first bad. You know all these report card freshman year. She took some old report card, some scissors and glue photocopier and she made herself a brand new fake report causing worth straight a ollays. Yet that's how it all is in her mind. She said universe dont, consider marks from great nine canadian, great nine and canadian grid ten. So she's in her mind it wasn't a big deal. It didn't matter Verona,
and I'm sure she's thinking by must have little time. Here's these aids and I'll work back up the Asian while work out she was not allowed to have a my friend she was nine- are not allowed to go to dances. She was not allowed to get a party. She was not allowed to spend the night at friends houses she was. It was all about school and getting her school schoolwork in bring hard work and dedication paid off. She grow, where's my school and one early acceptance careers in university in Toronto, her parents were happy. They wanted her to go to the University of trial, but briars and university was still great for them. Here's the problem, Jennifer PAN had early acceptance, terrorists and university. Then that guy cancelled and when she flunked out of calculus when she was a senior, so she that that
lakes happiness, is resented now she's, not in any color now. So she starts doing what many people do you pretend you're going to college every morning, so this is like now our into me when I live in Sacramento and I am flunking out of college, but my parents don't know so, I'm doing the thing where I go home for the summer and ever dig it up and runs the mailbox like I'm a child except for the male trying to get the mail. The report card before my parents do cause. You can see. I know you're not going yeah my work. I was like a point three or something like. I was only going to theatre classless, your little girl s ears in saying no, so she is doing the same thing. But she's kind of doing a reverse, so she's saying
she's going to school getting up every morning, taking the train and then just chilling out a cafes. She got a part time. Job waitresses pizza plays and she was hanging out with her secret icicle boyfriend Daniel Long day awhile. So she had been dating Daniel long since they went on a european the there in high school bands they one on a trip to Europe and she had only been friends it up up until that point, and she, I think the story was it. She had an asthma attack in a smoke build bar and like sought that she was gonna. Dykes can breathe and Daniel Kinda arrests and now came to harass law. Unlike talked her down, and then they became see, grin as there are no longer breaths shaken up. It is that users, so amazing what I, oh, my God in there is eager lovers so that
Ben going on. Also shit shit she's got a bunch of plate, spinning at once. So sometimes she would go over to his house. She only convinced her parents that she needed to move in with her friend topaz who live close to college and had an amazing name and had the best names was she is stripper will never know it. Doesn't matter, that's what I'm picturing in my area, topaz in the apartment had the pole to practice on. I mean it's hard have using. This is like some crazy outwork dude. That's lake ink Annabelle dedication, A strength stand
stamina, I just fell asleep as I'm talking, so ok, so basically that becomes part of it. She's also telling her father that her grades are so good she's, getting like three thousand dollar tuition scholarships, so she it's just lies upon lies online. So, as is better than having to tell your parents, they usually a normal human being right, which many so sad, just just if you like, I'm just average, may I want it, just enjoy my life. As a normal human is not acceptable right and there is apparently there's a couple times in this. Article are in that big. Her mom would be like her be herself or she's. Ok, as she is and tried to like take the heat off a little bit, but she was also first, the oldest yeah and there's just so. You know there is so much pressure, it's that it's it's the same kind of pressure in like
oh. I can equate it in the way of like in our family. Oh I immigrants, lake lace, lace, curtains, Irish, where they make sure everything looks really good. Thank everybody, thanks their scumbag, so they're like here's, our beautiful land, how well we're due everything's irons and everyone? We have nine It's a bit everyone's closer perfectly iron, because it's a thing like immigrant parents, words like I didn't fucking, sir. I didn't go through what I went through for you to work in an office like a boring office or the pizza place where, as you know, even as an exotic dancer lake, which is an acceptable fucking good, the jobs and let everybody does not I will not accept it. I didn't come here from Vietnam to fucking, raise a child to not be a super start. You have to have like your own law firm. You have to ya
I have to do everything perfectly and never trip once witches not only impossible, but also that's not how you get good at them. Think out. My parents had no expectations fairly whatsoever. Aside from I mean nothing, my parents, my dad used to live to tell the story that they used to bring home their report cards to my grandpa, who they said decency, deeds in a decent, F, cement, doing fine and heat, and she thought I was a kid greatly- is like doing good every this is correct and they became civil servants and plumbers and things that can you know and then happier if you could make money by doing it's not like that more anyway. I got no! No nobody! There it's just funny how they're there there are these pressures and some way it's like in some,
cultures its academic pressure. In some cultures, it's like you have to get married and have a family I'm an immediately pressure needs. It just depends by religious or, being you three religious yeah stay in the Click totalitarian Pham toilet. Ok, so Jennifer's she's under the gun and now she's twenty two years old and she has been lying to her parents consistently sense, like eighth grade, essentially and being having laggards double life. Which is kind of amazing she's. But she's never going to a party she's, never gone to a club, she's, never gotten drunk, and leave her one relationship as are secretly relationship with genuine. So physically She then tells them that she her it was her follows dream for her to go to I'm quality school and become a pharmacist, so she is, I guess, what everybody I could accept like she's and makes a thing yeah. She was she like.
Is she tells them that she got in there old she hadn't, but she's Spying used books. Bringing home like pharmacology books and when she would leave for school every day. Stressing out has even though just the woman who did that for Stanford pretend to be an Stamford for like two years. One thing like ass: her family thought she hasn't. She says she lived in like Paolo Alien. She would like sleep in what was she like? but don't like a fair dorm like a roommate dropped, actually look, I'm the new roommate and she would sleep in people's dorms and staff. Pretending that she was a student faking, her grades all the same stuff. Oh my god. Here it is Maybe I should get an honorary doctorate for getting away with yeah for like faking it for seldom arch enemy successful each year he had so much further far, yes, but also its taken take that initial hit of, like I fucked up, let the chips
all they can only yell for so long yeah and take the answer The initiative to lie and use that towards something better. Only room, you're, really good liar I like go, get a job somewhere cool ray and build yourself up to management. Take that lie your way to manage. Romola legislatively clearly are not stupid. If you're able to fuckin trick all these people for two years get into sales cannons, fucking cell houses, cell houses, cell mobile phone on Hollywood Boulevard, I doubt on the sidewalk right pharmaceuticals, sharp around the corner in the area of my dad sold Fuckin again soon eyes and Viking Homer and earlier at those things can catacomb canyon, and he showed you how Abu Omar might already go ahead, and so she is and goes for it in a major way, majors and lying and tells her she had no pharmacology school. Was I just can't it's
like she's, not even lying and going like. I, you know what I got a job in California, I'll see you later or anything she busting out, she's dislike contained. To try to make it work like. I still have to live here. Yeah and I have to me, these people happy, and I dont know how so I'm just gonna. Do it the way they the man so she's, buying fake textbooks and not fake textbook use textbooks like the Old Pharmacology, gray and then she's going to the library and watching videos and reading books on it and taking notes. So then, when she goes home, she is reams of note, so it looks like she's really doing why she didn't actually been going to school. This whole time doing problem if she'd visually wanting to be soon, she could have done through so so then she ass she asked if she can stay at topazes house during the week, has its away better commute her moms like super empathetic. Unlike let's letter it'll, be somewhat. Well she's, of course, not staying at topazes has she said, Daniel Longs, how Danny
his parents. She was lying to his parents and saying it was ok with her parents, it she was dying at their house and then so basic There was no one, she wasn't lying to you Daniel One will do so. Basically when it was feared. Time for her to graduate from the earth. You trot Nickel Pharmacology programme. They Daniel and to find someone online to create a fake transcript with all asian it, and She told her parents when, as the graduation ceremony that they There was an extra large class ends, all the there were enough seats. All the students only got one ticket and she started given it to a friend cash I think one parent one want to go without the other parent yeah. I think that's when it might have started distinct little barrier to the parents, but then when
and if I told them that she was volunteering, it turn us prestigious hospital for children they I notice that she didn't have any idea. No uniform. There is nothing to prove that you officially worked there so, one day Han they drop her off or they insist upon driving her to work, and so then she gets the current runs into the hospital and then Han tells big go and after and follow answer. She ends up going and running, unlike hiding for hours in the emergency room or in the in the waiting room, and basically there comes back out, unlike doesn't find her and basically she waits amount until they leave and then early the next morning they call topaz to say, hey
Sarge Jennifer and Topaz, who just wakes up as like she's. Not here here isn't in on, it isn't doesn't know, what's going on and basically they find out. The Jennifer was a Daniels House and in the whole lie comes down or the whole house of lies. The whole house of cards starring Spacey comes down. It bombing homes, as of carcasses so since she has a confess she never volunteered at the hospital her sick children, he didn't she wasn't a pharmacology programme. And that she had been saying Daniels House, she, she didn't mention that she'd never graduated from high school and that, time? It writers in university was cinnamon now that she didn't admit any that she she got out what she could of course have lost. Fucking Shit, showered down, went crazy, big had to convince him to let her see remain in the house, and they This way said if its head,
its Daniel warrants, and if you go with him, you can never come back to this house again. So then she basely had to break up with genuine. Does she didn't know where to go or what to do so and take away her cell phone and her lap laptop for two weeks and then, after that they tell her where, in a check your messages any time we want to make sure you're, not internet, having she's an adult now she's like twenty five, so cheese, yeah it's It's not it's crazy. So she is finishes up just ass. She takes a calculus class, finish gets her high school like GDR, with our she So, basically, Her parents encourage her to apply for it. For real. She makes money as being a piano teacher part time and basically
can't go anywhere, except for university or piano lessons miss she's twenty four hours about so when she breaks up with the annual this time says, I can't see anymore. Kosovo get kicked out forever he's like fine, like take it anymore anywhere. He starts stating somebody else and they follow allow now and of course, an Earl doesn't handle it well evolved into a deep depression. She attempt suicide, one point. She tells you well that some men had home, invaded their house and had gained her and then she tells him that his new girlfriend mailed a bullet to her as a as a warning to stay away, but she so insinuated that the new girlfriend this was all the her plan to attack Jennifer yeah. So. Somehow that story works. Ok because
I end up getting back together while she really little ire at this point. I think she must be in the like that nine one on college, so believe what I would have never doubted her and I'm sure in a way. She was really I mean ray of answer just attack, so I don't think she's a completely colds like sociopath, but but men lying for fuck and fifteen years yeah has to be good at it and used to it and it's a normal. It's not takes up a night yeah it's not in its like a second normal way to live. Your life is to start trying to lie, learn something here that lake, if you, if you're, not getting what you won't get that manipulation guy, because you can't ever get anything Qaeda, the delectable fault is to tell some tell a person what they wanted here. Yes or
or really play a huge car raise other people go like hollow issue of everything. Why would anyone y yeah exactly so basically Daniel and generally himself, is a bit of he's he has been kicked the schools he he's a little, you know he got caught dealing part when he went to that Catholic School and they went to together he's a little. You know low limit on the edge a little bit himself so when they get back together, basically together they figure out. Then her parents, life insurance policies would pay half a million dollars and that she the beneficiaries and so Daniel Sorts, helping her make a plan to have them killed pack. Yes, so he says that he knows a guy named Linford cramped Crawford. The worst name of all time Borderline. These Anders aim Linford Crawford Daniel Chasm Homeboy they
setting up a thing where lake she can she's a separate sim card and whom I found. So she can talk to him and make these plans are nobody finds out and Secondly, the plan as when you're done, like watching tv for the night, unlock the front door, so she says she actually left the front or more than she went upstairs to her room. She flicked lights in the study, to give them the signal that it was time her had come home from line dancing was watching tv. Her dad was, watching the news in a different room and basically the men came in and the The amendment that home invaded and and basically attempted to kill her father and killed her mother. It was all her doing in a completely her said: oh my god, oh yeah, so which you know it felt
we are getting to. That is something the Israel may about so, sir. It's so fucking crazy and over the top and then basically third time they bring her. So the cops the first time they think they're just getting story, I'm her. The first interview I can never you they're kind of like. Let's talk about this again and going up almost yen, and it's always you know it's like the family is what's looked out for right away. Ass, the dad was supposed to die right. Yes, now it was tat. I was a mom supposed tat, I, yes, they were ok, yeah, ok! So essentially the third time they inner day interrogate her and they use something. I think it was called. I didn't I didn't write her, but basically a guy named your german Grimaldi. As a journalist in twenty sixteen, he book he published a true crime book about Jennifer called a daughters, deadly deception that Jennifer PAN Story in that he talks about, they use interrogation techniques that
I do not have been above board where they basically tricky and trusting them and then waterborne like it. It's almost like one guy is good cop, bad cop waterborne than the water, and then they just waterbirds. Well, so the guy is like each us may address major us me. Now angry and you need to make me not angry anymore because I'm your friend yes like they low they, while her into a sense of kind of like she's being taught you like. Yes, Europe, I'm too, and I was really hard. Your dad was really mean instructing whatever and then just boom, and they like it's that kind of shock- and I think I d age, didn't read the whole thing of, but you can read this look where it talks about that. Now, interview might not have been totally fair hoops at the end of the day. She is the person who hire thus people and essentially at the trial. Her own father took the stand and told the story of what
happen that was March. Nineteen, twenty fourteen he this they have to get up on the sand and tell everybody how these men came in and he survive when he woke up after getting shot in the eye. He woke up to his dead wife, laying their next M m. Unlike got out of the house, thinking that everyone I've been kill ya like, whereas my daughter she ok you're, worried about her to probably worse and then slowly finds out that its he's the one behind it horrible, so after ten months of this year, Jennifer. Pan dinner long humbling Homeboy Linford Crawford, and this guy's name was David mills again now man there punches Elsa Ghana, man Mill, the government They all got there convicted for murder and attempted murder and each received a life sentence with no choice.
Pearl for twenty five years and then the Third Guy era, cardy, who is the one that tighter to the banister he's tried separately so there's yeah so basically Red Karen Cayos article trying to Life magazine Jennifer, pans, revenge, the Inn I'd story of a golden child, the killer she hired and the parents she wanted dead. That's the article you're gonna wanna really get into cause they're pieces of this article in every other article, at the end of what everyone's basing it on Karen Casual you'll, never understand. Unless you have that been raised in his family like that yeah, this is easy. It's like so strict. Then there's people that have had parent terrible parents- they don't have their parents Callaway. It's just that weird turn of lake it It just stresses mounts about. It's like I have done that exact thing. We're like ok, that's fucked up now and to make up a new thing, get fucked up, and I will do that. Damn thing and like the
more complicated. You may get the the more the worst making a first, oh yeah pressure, that's a good one! Then it's crazy thanks! That's those bananas, events have friends, shoes, a comedian from Michigan now and to New York, and she her name, was Goin and she came from that kind of family where she had been lying to her family. They all thought she was going to school be a dentist and shoes show me the end and didn't tell any of them and then out of nowhere, she fucking jump off the Brooklyn Bridge yeah. Killed herself. I remember hearing about those ships so sad like she just couldn't tell them that she was doing what she actually wanted to do in life. Yeah turrible. Just like such a sad thing to me. You can imagine- and I bet so sad for the family, yeah third, applying pressure rash, the right way to or or what
for their doing what they know right and I'm sure, never in a million years. Is that the result they're looking for rather have their daughter as a comedian that now and not what they want to her to be then. Forget one internally. As I write it of course always made me says. Even I didn't know her, it's so tragically. I remember a lot of I mean Other people I know new hernia was there really upset yeah I well ok, here's. My turn. This. This is a timely story because it's a coal case, finally, hopefully at this is the end- came Last week, a ha. But this is a story that I've been interested in its a forty one of the forty eight hours in our weed I watched at its really interesting, Texas Monthly. I got a lot of this information from the texts monthly, which I've taxes, monthly best article called Unholy ACT by PAMELA Collar,
seal. L L, O F, F, does the story, second, priest, Jain and fight a word or of Irene Garza. Oh, I don't know, that's all honey ocean I can talk all the fucker buckle down. Baby settle in like a lab hit. Your foot on account be tabled at the garbage enabling our can disable like you have a crush on ok hurry up, so I Green Garza is born in nineteen. Thirty, four she's, this dark haired hispanic beauty from men, Mikhail in Texas, agricultural agriculture, Durio, Nope area, agricultural, agricultural area south of taxes in the Rio Grande Valley, five miles from the: U S: Mexico Border in haste.
Irene had been crowned, miss all South Texas, sweetheart shit and Mc Gowan High School, where Edam everyone's fuckin. Why back, then? She- He had been the first hispanic twirler and head drum major at last, and she was like and busting down borders, she's beautiful beauty queen, but she's hispanic. So it's you no sense of pride that it's it's she's wasting down borders and yes, she's, not I mean Texas. That's like a bit and blue eyes. That's like! Usually what you're gonna get out of a Texas beauty queen right and she is now she's. Not that and she's, a first in her family to graduate from college, which is a super big deal huge accomplishment. A twenty five years old. She worked as a teacher for didn't disadvantaged children, which she took a great pride in summer her students were so poor and came from the neighborhood where she had come from and had been,
able to get out of that. They can the school barefoot, an Irene spent her first paycheck on buying those children, clothes and books. So hand- and this is very day rights even worse- and basically so she's a really big hearted kind person. She is gorgeous, which isn't a reason why shouldn't be a victim, but there's justice warms coming from her in and you know she had a huge future that that that she earned yet I'm saying yet listen, look, look a lesson: stop it had the sun over her life, though, is her devout catholic faith, not like her fuckin thing. On April, sixteenth nineteen sixty the day before fact Easter, Sunday, ok Saturday resource outbreak. All the thing sake chill out Saturday fell like egg diet is palm mad announce chill the fuck up.
For you, Sir well go ahead. Well, good Friday could write. A good friend is when you went up on that. Cross maybe the ascension chilled out on Saturday here rolled on up another term in Indiana, and then he was risen on Sunday about Saturday desire will sorry was all of that to young people, he's dead it's over and he was like you know. I'm in high came knocking sacrilegious here we are now a legal matter me, it's so sad, because I've had this should drummed into my head, but then, of course, when it would be impressive EC, I can't pull it out. Here's the thing in today's Wolverstone Hanukkah. We rebelled against because we hated it so much so evident. Wisdom dinner had really lucky, I'm not numbering this young and now it out now you just don't Now just the guilt remains its envy. Ignorance and the
really good songs. Oh yeah, I got a bunch of those pieces slowing like a river anytime, you menacing into I. Well, ok, ok, forget islets. Secondly, less male prayer, ok, ok So on April, sixteenth, fuckin, lazy Saturday, Nineteen sixty Irene borrows she's twenty five. She bars her family car to drive to their church sacred heart church She plans to get a confession. She leader and six thirty that evening, she's like Mama, be back bunch of witnesses, see her get to church everyone's online for confession. She gets online line as well, but no one. Is her leave that church on that day, she ever came home that night and then morning. Easter. Sunday, that's right and, as you know, he is truly reason. He rises and her car still parked down the street from sacred heart. The
screw comes two days later, when one of our airlines, high heeled shoes, spotted by the side of the road and three hundred yards from there, is her purse. It looks as if son had like throwing out the window passing car. There's no fingerprints on it. It's crazy, huge search ensues, including made lay dragged irrigation, canals that our house to house through the town border patrol planes go fuck encircling. Sixty five national governments are called out to assist what became at the time the most extensive investigation and valley history well, but That's not how, four days later after she disappeared that IRAN's body is found floating in a nearby irrigation canal, she's, fully except for her shoes and underwear missing the right Tat of her face is badly bruised. She had two black eyes and the autopsy reveals that she'd been beaten with a object, an suffocated, stay,
Gee composition suggest that she'd been dead for fewer than four days. Maybe she had been kept somewhere for a day or so and she had been rates while unconscious yeah the local papers go fucking nuts, with rumours and speculation. Everyone is like being fuckin, targeted are fingered, including this prominent local citizen who had died, our heart attack days after she disappeared. You know, or that have been transience or someone who had crush on her cause. She was so beautiful, but should also in out not she was dating, but not even out. She was catholic. You know their leisure d, This question more than five hundred people in the weeks following the murderer, but behind the scenes, the text as they not
Madison public and the newspapers are really talk about this. They are focusing on a twenty seven year old priest named John fight ya, a priest who cried fight its efforts. He had recently finished his seminars, training and San Antonio and his name kept turning up in their investigation, so he had recently come into town. He was a bright well. He was brain well mannered. He had dark, hair and Horn Britain glasses. He looked like he'd be wiser in an instant s here, he struck parishioners, though as aloof and a bit of a loner and seemed ambivalent about his vocation when he asked why he had joined the preset. He said I just want to give it a try, sorry, but if the guy I'm is an embarrassment or Jesus some
because you can't say that allow is most he Munich. Well, since you gonna eat like be innocent women like if anyone ass either of us, why we won. Do your grandpa gas be like a passionate plea of how interested, in fact and crime, we are both right and were not an talking talking to God re, mostly talking, but also like two, not it's almost that very glib flip thing of Catholic, its here's, my funding, joke and like really it's none of your business right is where he sang right. We should like to say that anyone who's asking you is like Being earnest and, being like tell me, I want suit connect you you're, a priest, I'm looking for some fuckin guidance and some wisdom and I get a flag in amen. Please varying on the night of Irene disappearance, Father fight had heard confessions and taken part in a midnight mass.
Also admitted to his superiors that he had met privately with Irene in the church rectory. I wrote the sea is louse because I didn't know what directory wasn't that was in office. The churches office, I thought it was, where he went and rode out. His right an office or house right. It didn't know it's the priest, thousands it, but it's connected to the church, so kind of is like an alpha. Do all the priests live. There are just someone like head priests. It's it's kind of like case by case, like in my hometown, in Saint Incense, they live at directory, and but you can also go there. Like my mom's funeral, we went to town to the priest in the rectory elegant and downstairs office. Dozen rectory sound like it should be, like a side room office, lethargic factory, where their direction out Jesus snatch all day and night, but nevertheless I mean, I think it's like it's. Basically,
the church hull is where people like you know Sunday, coffee clashes or whatever the rectory is where you'd go and you're like we need to plan a funeral. We need to plan a wedding. This is some serious shit happening here. Is the business and then upstairs the priest. Then it's the busybodies next door. He is making thank him, a couple of things have now gone now they actually they ban colonel. Long ago, and I got it so directory is ok. And now is viewed by other places, really inappropriate. Take anyone especially fucking heart, twenty five lovely woman, so so your keys, unless she has called like if it was parish, business, She would have called like the laid the lady that runs the office. Amend like I need to make an appointment was for confession. Specifically, oh yeah. No, you do that in the convention, but there's a there's, a booth that is titled for the thing she was do it they had people build it
right into the church of people is civically. You can sit there and pray and then look at people getting confession her. The whole idea of confession when he took her to the rectory gross pass, ok up its power romantic. Yes, it is also several churchgoers who stood in his confession line which had spoken stalled out cause he fuckin picked her out and took from the rectories OC, oh that night till detectives that he seemed to have been absent from the sanctuary for long periods of time and another priest. Father John O Brien reported seeing scratch as on his hands when they drink coffee together at midnight, mass who were then effective learned that on March twenty third, so that's three weeks before Irene Irene disappear in her body was found. A woman had been attacked at a catholic church, twelve miles from that church, the one where Irene went two miles away. Twenty
their old college student, Maria America Correira, had visited sacred heart church in Edinburgh and noticed a young man with dark, hair and hormone glasses. Wiser sitting alone in one of the back. Pews in her mind, she was like that. I think she had an immediate reaction to him. He made me nervous, but she was like com down Maria during the church in the Fuckin house, and God nothing can go wrong right. You know she let her guard down yet, which is totally understandable in a church of korean discharge. Young Englishmen, the altar and knelt at the communion rail man grabbed her from behind and try to put a rag over her mouth holy shit yeah she fuckin. Saw the shit out of ham and when he put his hand back over her mouth to silence Kirk issues screaming he. She beat the shit out of his fingers and how he drew blood. Nazis replied. Yes, that's unanimous here: she,
rather side door, the church she escaped and in her sworn statement she said that she thought her attacker was a priest that was the first feeling she got. It was very controversial. Yams I bet possesses the fifties of the sixty issues like this is nineteen sixty so are technically solar. Fifty so I wrote about this that this is. This is a long time before the sexual allegations against priests started to come out, and people believed yes M, that whistles and until the nineties that these allegations came out against priests sexually sitting children and wasn't even tell way layer the people believed them well and in the end, of course, horrible doc. Him I mean our amazing documentary I wrote this down. There is, is it He states deliver us from evil and there's a guy in the talks about when he got molested by pre, stripe being driven in the police, the priests car because He didn't have a dad and so is like I'll. Take em arctic ice cream or would ever gets a lesson.
Police car. The priest drop some off. He walks into the house, says to the mom. What just happened? The mother slaps him across the face and says how dare you ever say that and then the priest continues visiting their house for years to come, it's the most upsetting his children against adults and there's no everyone's like no fuckin way. Ninety eight children against adults, its children against gods, chosen people, and these I highly religious people, which I dont completely understand, which is why I was excited Turkey about this cause. You were raised Catholic there solid wall. Yet our infallible and you talking badly but against a priest, is talking badly against Jesus fucking Christ. That's right rights, this it's it's like Breathe outcome to shit where it's like its old lake when the hopes used to control everybody in they were the richest people and they fuck anything they wanted, and it was just all about power and money ends
Basically these yeah. This is why people who were pedophile went into the very state. Can they went in with Carte Blanche and we're not saying that Catholicism is about religion, that pressure bad people that any ino than were? Not? I'm not talking shown any of this. It's just this. Reality of a really bad period that happen that we need to acknowledge. Morgiana me, I think at this point it so been acknowledged, most people that I know that our good Catholics and that are safe beasts lake they don't need they still believing they ever relationship we're gonna spirituality, but most of the adults that I know because of the stuff. That's happened and the Catholic Church are incredible and I don't just mean like people, my age, I mean like people, my parents, aid that are just so it's like You can't look at that power structure and go. This should continue this as yet. This is going great neighbour, handled stuff, gray, right and it should continue theirs and there are very few people that feel that way
because it's just so it what a horrible things not you can't give people absolute power like that known especially that access that access to families, but, but I have to say this to lake, there are priests my insane fences that are some of the best people, I've ever met absolutely, and it's just that kind of like it's almost like the bad ones, steal the good ass, the goodwill from the Good ones ass nightly, because those ones that psych what what a great effect they haven't people's lives. Yes, that's how it works. Definitely so, ok, so yeah. So this is where before any of these things came to light so at Sunday, mass after Amiens Funeral just to show you how protected priests were the priest, told the congregation that he knew. There were rumours that a priest was involved in irons, murder and he said quote
it is impossible at a priest, would commit a crime like this dont speak of it dont. Even let yourself think it. He said that himself to the chronic congregation her yeah right, in late April d, drain the irrigation canal where they had found Irene body and on the bottom, was a light. Green Eastman Coda slide viewer with a long black cord, so like a I'd. We were yeah I'll make sure we are like These touching teaching us letting mitya but life to the wall, ok like side show the thing you go We call those quotas live yours, but you know there is a god of online. If you look at it, I mean like on the actual one so long cord on it is at the bottom of the irrigation canal, where they think her body was thrown in Re Christopher within. They also find a candy. Barbara that belong to the church, John Fight, is like oh yeah. I bought
I gotta sliding last summer he like is that was mine. As candelabra that candelabra blocks the church. So what he public strangled her with and what he probably hair or the fucking head with is at the bottom of the fucking canal, and he raises a second him, like that's mine, well yeah cause kind of in the confidence of knowing no one can do anything about it, who fucking yeah, maybe who knows so far, the priest. It's down the detectives in early May. He provides aid, of course meticulous account of his actions on east or we can. He says that he had counselled, I ruined the sacred her rectories and the I totally did because she had some information. She wanted to give you that was private. So I brought her that's why I brought her and there he had, because the confession Boob, which is a muffled claw, a closet, the how no one can hear the from the outside of war private and ass, she could only scream her compassion problem sees it now,
He saw her leave, though at whatever time, and then he had these like dumb excuses for. Why had cuts on his hand and he is like and goodbye, I graft has implicate him in both Irene murder and the attack on Maria Correira. A couple weeks earlier and in August Father fight is indicted for assault with intent to rape, Maria Correira. Oh shit, yeah, Jerry though talkin deadlocks and proceed was end in a mistrial rather than face. A second trial. In nineteen. Sixty two father fight pleads no contest too. Discharges, charges of aggravated assault gets fired. Five hundred dollars and that's it takes that right out of the guy. He takes it right at the church, like the collection play now losing all of my terminology area. I mean G
this crazy, that's the guy here this creates leg. Can't Jesus can see and hear you if you're trying to re able, ensure clearly yeah you fucking a lunatic area. So It's now allege that the district attorney that the district attorney at the time and church leaders cut a deal to stop the investigation into John fight to protect the reputation of the church and also most elected officials of the time in the it's. The Hilding Hill, though, that Hilda Go County were catholic the electorate, labour snap. And it was at a time when none other than Fuckin Senator John F Kennedy is running for the press for president that year, who is Fucking Catholic, that's right. It's he's dead, he's, there's never been a catholic president. Before he's the there's, only one other capping of an ever been a nominee for President one of the major parties he had lost so anyway,
doing it. I didn't write it out, but I wasn't at all. It's got excited. I wouldn't have known up an anti catholic prejudices fucking in time so that, like we need Kennedy to an were off bucking Catholics and, let's not give them Isn t a Catholic. Oh ok, so, like political for political ends, Yang levying than a J, F K being second elected wound, and let you know Texas, it's a big fuckin place, have it so funny to think I just always it's just my own weird bias. Like I'd, I used to think everyone was catholic. When I was a kid that high just assumed everyone was Catholic Assange was whether alot account will you went to a catholic score? catholic school, but also our town was just small and mostly christian, although than later on, I learned that there is a big bunch of The woman was like one of the biggest receivers of of
immigrants after World WAR, two out of jail, push. People who run from the war. What few geez. Where do they live now? he still live there bluish. Let me there's a couple temples and pedal ammonia looking because I think one or two the families had like chicken farms so like every illegal work and the work on the chicken ramp Erika Interesting, and there could be a lie mount out. You said, Normally that it I'm almost positive? I read that somewhere, it's true. It feel so true, really got into my heart, great ok, so basically that means no more and charges are ever filed against Father fight and shortly the killing the church transfers him to a far a monastery. So
sixteen. He spent some time at a treatment centre for trouble. Priests in New Mexico and monasteries and multiple sakes hold hold the phone. Please I will not I want go to and treatment centre for trouble priests and take em on the deck right. The horror movie that means XVI written out and I mean, like children, come in attacking Kelvin LAW allowing corn, but at a fucking monastery for troubled quote, both tremble priests words, revenge. The children come out of the fields, its colleague, wherein we traveled peace, priests, you're in trouble here in trouble. I but you did spare summer break, said: Jesus, sages, Tiggle Urban, whom that's factor here, everyone in the neighborhood where that place,
just like move away will remember that when we watched, I am what was really great documentary in on Netflix over the summer universe, the air and nay, and he went visited the house where all the priests had gotten sent to day lived in their own cha monsters and shut. Yet keepers still button gray around should watch it. So good, listen! If you want a bench weekend of terrible shit, you should watch deliver us from evil, which you raise your mind to Unita watched, its historical information that you need to know about. It's just fuckin life lessons and you just need to like calm your pessimism, a little that optimism it's going to say will it also there's a it's that thing of it? It feels like a very new cultural thing. Words, like everybody, gotta get real with the fact that the two, sociopaths psychopaths move in this world in exactly these unexpected ways. They are baseball coach they are priests, they move
did they are their noise, they manipulate yet, and there are good at their good you're not, and you need to get ok with. Yes, you got, you got, oh. If you are a single parent, you gotta keep her. I double peeled. You gotta triple check all the people that want to be in your trial, rife all that stuff which were saying the people who know it by heart. I mean like that. You haven't you forget that shit man like when it's you in Europe, people in the sea, no a guy you're dating yeah. Of course it's fine in I mean it's like. Of course, you don't think about it in terms of your own life, you think about it outside of you. Yes, it's just so I remember, reading that sports illustrated thing about How many baseball coaches Little league coaches, more pedophiles and is the most. Reasoning and uneasy. I and I want to read, died. You gotta read it exists in saying I'm pretty sure was the cover sports illustrated like ten years ago. We thy it's so crazy. Then there
or in the lives there right there, though, the sports and everything's dude in sports and couldn't be safer and games, and we need to go to this in practices and then they, then that's how they select the ones who don't have anyone that's gonna, come and beat the shit out of them. If they do anything that kid, they like that's how they spot, vulnerable children and people? Nor I mean it's just the most fucked up thing very Iphone, ok absolutely be spotlight, which came out recently amazing is about that is so much so am I spend weaken and then watch barbs workers. I am Hague Mouth to get yourself too a specific mouth is and makes us about the Red x monasteries, Oh, here's one at one point:
spun. Here's a ears funders live on at one point: he served as a supervisor charged with clearing priests for assignments, two churches, so the pressure that sense of the fuckin we're ear of terrible, pursing get out of this town, they're gonna, lugging murder, you, the attempted rapists, praise on they sounded this. These places and monasteries and our fuckin friend John Fight was on the fucking Clearing house to let them go back into the goddamn world good. This motherfucker healthy, just good decisions all around being made act, but it won't let every level we have one open sea who should we fill with John Fight Where is the devil not available? Ok, then read so one of the men that he held clear for parish was James Porter, who isn't the guy from deliver us from evil, but could be. A child molesters convicted of assaulting more than a hundred victims. Who is a priest? He was like back in their hearing. The game is second, Dick, ok, John Fight,
the priest of the seventy two and moved to Phoenix worked as an answer and Sharon salesman got married. Had kids am grandkids lives fucking a normal goddamn. I flew O. Meanwhile Iron's parents Nick and adjusted Vena Garza of pass away the nineties without ever seeing anyone prosecuted her Irene, murder, but they were assured by people in the church that Father fight, who they always fucking suspected would be punished by the church if they found out anything have been. I have been done, and they were assured that this was a bigger sentence handed than any court can hand down. Ok great cause, they some fucking believe in the Catholic Church, where they were Fucking Catholic Lawiya, so April two thousand to what's jumped ahead. Oconnor it go for two years after the murder of Irene Garza a former monk, named Dale Tash me who had left it
We said more than thirty years earlier to marry. Suddenly he gets a fuckin conscience. He says, in the summer of nineteen sixty three he was asked to Council John Fight, while he's while John State at the monastery were, this guy Dale was a second priests monk. During their six months of Counselling John Fight, told TAT any of the night that Irene died. This guy called the Fucker investigator ones like. Let me tell you something: he told him that Father Fight had asked her to come to the church. Rectory had heard her come and had heard her confession so the confession he had restrained Irene maybe bound and gagged her. He had found her breasts and before he returned to the sanctuary to hear confessions. He had moved her to the rectory basement and that evening he moved to another location,
then I'm Easter Sunday, and so she still alive then an Easter Sunday. He Irene in a bathtub and place them bad over her set head and ass. He was leaving the bathroom he heard her say I can't breathe. I can't breathe and tat. She said when he came back later on that day or early evening. He found her dead in the bathtub, and and that night here But are in a car and took her and dropped travel along a roadside where there was a canal too she had kept himself out of a sense of religious obligation for more than four decades. He don't does anyone it's like he confessed to him and you can't do that. In terms of peace it here fashion, you're not, loud to repeat it. I mean I feel so great
Oh then he came forward and sad staff, but at the same time it's like some this person is a man murder. This woman, it doesn't that's Linda Not a priest than that's not waste any more. The man who murdered someone is not doesn't get they have that nobody, everybody gets it. It's not just for priests and that's the let that's like they're talking to God through you and you don't get to intervene here because they're asking for forgiveness and so You have to be that, no matter what somebody says to you, as a person you have to say, you're forgotten. He was counselling him so wasn't confession. I mean, I don't have technical area boy. I bet you did say it was just for the products rate, but the other thing is
Wasn't she found brutally beaten yeah, so that's bullshit, beaten and raped while unconscious. So clearly he left so shut out here. They distant tell you everything in this article iii. I asked too much, but I would bet you that, like he's mostly saying why I just did a Kyle allotting away and she died and then she's so I mean it's unfortunately, he's basely telling the story to this. Other priests like to buy That happened as opposed to you finally fucking tat. This was one of the things that Daphne said was he didn't show what I would consider to be comfy, compunction or sorrow or grief, or anything like that. So, he came to himself and then he at this point in two thousand to ease and seventys any at a change of heart and he was like a flock and testify like. Let's do it. The owl, which is incredible Texas Rangers then begin to him, but re investigate the case when he's contacted fight
whose now sixty nine year olds says that man doesn't exist anymore and he won't say anything else, like the men who who read and ordered a woman, aha, he ate as do the ahead as sorry he's India, so rangers also intervene his father, O Brien, who back then was like. I saw scratches on his hands and he tells the Rangers that a few months after the murder fight he had- Prenticed fight about whether he had killed Irene and the priest who told him everything. So he too was like yep minority thing on second testify: oh shit, any shit he'll tell everything so, and I would say this to this was back. I think that very rarely broke that like if I'm telling you if I'm giving you confession Europe like basely, you forgive me the end, you don't say anything. That's like in a police team. I is all that has not turning her will I'm saying I think
back, then no one would ever break at, whereas nowadays I think it's like now, everyone seeing with the ring, and that that rule is put into place, maybe I have been for the best reason right or the There were many more people that would explain it than any one would expect yeah. Let's sure loud and catholic defensive that's ok! So then, in July, two thousand to the Brownsville Harold run a front page story on Irene murder and Suspicion about John Fight and so Hilda Go County district attorney, Renee Guerrero, with asked. If you plan to pursue an indictment of the case, could ever like. We arose fucking evidence now, including two people who he told murdered Irene and their willing to testify. The sky. Renee was like Kenneth said, quote: canopy solemnly, I guess. If you believe that pays comply, anything is possible and then he said why, when anyone be haunted by her death, she died. Her killer got away, so he fucking full differently.
This guy, this guy Renee Guerrero, he's a fucking Hilda go now eight. Hell Hidalgo, thank you. Oh, my god, I only say that because of the movie stirring Vigo Mortensen about him in his horse held out had had, although ya thank you. Jesus yeah he's so at the time So then he got this negative publicity and he's. Ok, fine! Sorry! He was the prosecutor, though he was a district attorney. Ok, ok, so that so he ghettos negative publicity, because her fucking family still alive her parents are in, but there s or families we fucking care that she died yeah, so in two thousand for he asked he has two of his prosecutors present the evidence to a grand jury to indict John Fight, but they don't fucking how either of those priest to testify the ones who he told that he killed them and said of course in two thousand for the job he declined to indict him and no build the case. So that was chance to fucking finally perforce job
fight dies to get him. Tell her son look for the murder of Irene and those shoe priest had said that they would testify they wanted to. They were waiting by the fucking phone to be called up to testify, and they just didn't do it. They didn't call them and it turns out. Of course, Renee Guerrero was Catholic, YAP right. Yes up, ten, fucking years later in two thousand and fourteen to theirs. Mr Territories race in doubt oh Johnny and finally, Renee gets Fuckin, be by Ricardo Rodriguez and in in his race. He promised he would re, examine the case of elected, oh shit, so fuckin Ricardo is elected, wow, great They spent a year in two months, rigs ending the case in all the evidence and more than fifty seven fuck, and years after the murder of Irene Garza, eighty three Broad John Fight is finally fucking arrests in Arizona for first degree murder, former monk,
EL fuckin dashing eighty years old, fucking testifying eighty eight years old. When you say monk, does it say anything else about that and being a monk eat there. The photo on him with that hair? Pimentos ain't got the robes in their hair. You, like oh honey. You must have been eradicated because my god he looks like he's on space walls, I'm just trying to figure out what that is a view like a cushion brother. What like his specific deal was I'm sure it's very involved that I dont understand him. I just knew that it was like a monk but he was like, but there was priests or hanging out with them. Yet I don't know he's just in a different kind of like the Ceta catholic thing? Yeah? Ok, maybe he made mine, the hare thou. My god said day. What's up, eighty eight Europe Dale testifies against him December. Eighth. What's the dates the twelve
December, fuckin, eighth, twenty seventeen! four days ago Oceania after us, stay trial and that dog, only courthouse in Edinburgh, a jury, fucking convicted John fight wow, now, eighty five year old, ex priest of murdering Irene Garza and here she's a life sentence and present. Oh, my guy, I suggest Fuckin came out that incredible nineteen sixty ever happen and vacuum, and what are we twenty, seventeen yeah? So today I really be eighty three years old, in a letter written to a friend or rape of she died. She stated that she's appear than she's ever been and said to her friend remember the last time we talked, I told you I was afraid of death. Will I think, I'm cured You see, I've been going to communion and mass daily and you can imagine the courage and faith and happiness its given me and
That's the story of no murder, Irene Garza by mother Fucker, John fight. Wow. I can't believe it ended well know. O re never happen in the catholic church. Every time it's a catholic church story. Yeah it frustrates you. It discuss cases to those crazy, ass fisheries like in one of those walkers income that are also chairs yeah. You know that you see yeah trying to look our old and hee hee hee the things he said when he got arrested were like. I don't understand this happen in nineteen sixty like he has excuse. My relations is happening now this was so long ago, and this woman says to him: there's no statute of limitations on murder. Like he's
play it off like this was so long ago. Your way, you guys making a big deal yet actually he's acting like a confused old man, he's a fucking sexual predator and murderer will also it doesn't matter. How old is it doesn't matter? How old is it doesn't matter what his opinion relax, rampart or an earth? Iceland is not relevant. You ve already work confused. That's why you're like this, so you your opinion about it and how you see it is not valid because according to you, no one's life matter ran any woman is unwell. Manage I again saying raw sixty who cares now? No people people here. A lot of people care and a lot of people are tired of people like that nigh exploiting possess. And not just power, but automatic trust. Yeah, it's Yang! That's! What's so growth. Can you imagine going to Church Erlich? I can't imagine going into a church and
creepy vibe of like oh no, the guy that works here is scaring me yeah. That's the exact opposite about churches are supposed to work. Will there should be no such thing as automatic trust me? in it sucks, but even you know, you're fucking pediatrician or your. How can you know near M? What's it called anything there's just no such thing anymore, great and there never was we just let it happen right. It's It's ok to debris. Just be aware, be careful and thank God for the internet and check each gee Turkey's hack, everyone's fucking, everything record yeah that's amazing. Here, such a good story. Thank you. Hi hurrying urban, turns up. As you know, the others. There's a lot of feelings anything on this week for you
Yes, it was so fun to do those live shows we heads. I had such a good time. We can say we had said speaking for you, but like it's just such a joy to have that be a job since and because I'm always prepared, like I really hate, leaving my house ailing my dog. I get a little stress for that, but it's always just that we have so much fun and then, people are just like give us really nice presents and say really nice things. One thing I guess gets me is a lot of people. Talk to me about my mom like spread up alive. It gets brought up a lot of like its young women, who are like I'm a psych nurse. Were I mining to be a nurse that there's a lot of my mom passageway recently to, and you really helped me yeah just by talking about it, yeah exactly it's it's I don't know You know it's cool when we get to go out and hear from people about like the meaning of things us it's like. I just
Oh oh, I just did a o very interesting murder case in a mediocre man. In our way, and then we talked about a bunch of bullshit it's like just as very meaningful. I just like such a nice feeling. You know we have like lots of friends, we don't know, as is as we say, then that Irish, oh it's like we thank you guys for letting us do. This as a job. The two of us are flocking blown away by the fact that our law turn into this incredible thing. Because of this plan has so we started on a fucking when its super weird. It's super where it is and to fund. We didn't expect this arm, Then, all of you guys who are like these incredible people and be in like showing it like. I barely leave my house to do anything so when I sat there and that gives like a cathedral full of people like one, but the kitten show.
Up and some have signs and some have it's just money, shirts they may cookies and crafts and mud. Then it's just really. I just feel super lucky. Every time you come home from a trip or endemic gonna like an trip for the show its its mind, boggling yeah itself on and yet so I think we're about to end the year with a hundred episode he has so I guess maybe it's just thank you guys for living us to this. One thing this year has been fucking bananas, an awesome and work, it's incredible speed about we fucking appreciate it saw my t really do, and I thank you thanks for a I don't thanks are behind the server thanks. I can get it's weird, those but sure thing. That's it. I'm fences, I'm gonna, go SAM's is share or renew shares are wearing a shapes. Shame it. A shame were ashamed share. Shame share. Ok, I love it. I data
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