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pretty home town stats segment of the show in new thing we're doing. We thought it would be fun to gather up all of our most famous friends and have them tell us about the inciting incident that got them into true crime and in resting story from their life, some kind of bad asked Emma that they might have, in their background anything anything hauntings, we re de jure rather almost try to kill you accident. When your kids is your grandma related to Al Capone, we heard it all and we want to hear it that right what home towns are all about yesterday's and then what better? than to get a hometown from a person that you ve seen on tv, you now Then from social media from podcasting from everywhere you look the one and only mister.

how's it going. It's been a long time. It has. Has your quarantine going. You know it serve its going good here, in fact that the court, the pandemic was my first break since I retired. So you are tired and immediately started a brand new career ass. They creating the media yeah right so yet I been on March twenty twenty. I came back from New York I was on Doktor OZ. In next day I had a fever and a sore throat. Yet I have a feeling that I probably had covered out of New York, yeah Yeddo, and at last four days of wasn't too bad bad, then from from then on. Yet oh my life slow down, which was much needed so

you know unexpected and scary, but it's also yes wow. This is what it's like to prepare to actually retire. They were too, point zero, but it was in some ways. It is unfortunate had to do because the pandemic, but then it I moved out Colorado so I started enjoying Colorado thinks you are, of course everything was shut down here from you know, restaurants and stuff, but I could still go up in the mountains it still so that's what I did that's great outside them, and Papa. I remember when you got that fever on your flight home, because we were all too about a we don't have to shut. The office is downright now. We can still- and we were kind of playing in that middle ground and then Daniele called she's like most probably has it. We have to shut down I'll get it does Israel, and it was that when we got serious because we were like whether Paul actually has it or he's just sick from

having whatever this is. We now know that this is how close it could be, that we could get that everyone could give it to each other. Like it serious business got exactly right. Offices are now more because we don't need em the girl, but what exactly? Who? While in and that's you know, that's what then surprising to me, because I know going into this podcasting world out like what I need to be in the room at the person on talking to that's what I'm used to GAD than wherefore to do the on line. But with the like right now. I can see you too yet, oh, I can see you're lookin how your body, language is a yelp, that's what billion I do and an at work and the listeners didn't notice a different. So it's something that the EU makes If a little bit easier versions, We constantly travelling out to allay to record that yeah. and now he now in the future or like it's, not it's so much better to be in person, and everyone knows that, but tat. Billy necessarily to bend your life every time you have to record and now that I know that that that's true you, nobody

I miss seeing you guys in person, and I think I'll be seeing you guys in person pretty soon that's great murder squad, has just done so well from the Gatt girl, like you guys, are a hypocrite. as I mean we all knew, that it would be when we asked you to do it, but it's just so great to watch. You guys grow cause. You really have been juggernaut end. I don't think we ve, even that conversation with you ever of just like congratulations and thank you for making a hit show. Well, you know, I think, where the credit is deserved is with you eyes. You know you had the belief at us and your fan base in part was some that gave us an advantage he had. Also here. I know you don't I n n n N billion, I have taught, understood that we had. You know that type of to unity and he had a week. We really do. Oh, you guys a lot for the success

we ve had on our side, so modest, modest pile, especially when the hashtag hot for whole started and then went on for so long? I think it's still alive. To this day I mean come on you're like a member of new kids on the block, and you know it and you weren't gonna. Let that opportunity pass lying. I blame you guys were that or you monsieur fire. We did not start that by now and I have a question: did you write a book during handle likewise, it it before always started restarted. Abreuvoir. I started a book a couple of months retired, yet own. Of course it was. It was under way during the course of, as I was doing, everything and then the pandemic really allowed us to drill down and try to get out, and so now, if for the most part, is done and you guys were the first ones to announce it, gas,

and were so excited. I can't wait to read it so it's coming out is that right April, twenty twenty two! That's that that's correct its available for reorder right now, I'm excited at sea it out that it's something where the author and publish a really push me because its yet I thought going into writing a book. All people wanted to hear about was the end of the insides scoop of golden stay killer and then they really said. No people want to get to know who you are. As well. As you know your career, so in many ways this is my memoir and in many ways I've had to open up, and I've odds alot of personal aspects of my life that he had all the for its very uncomfortable, I'm a very private certain unnaturally introvert you know, but also at same time, it's important for peace, what to see how working in this line of work and in particular type The cases that I worked has impacted me on a personal level and at an end that

really fundamentally, as is one of the primary goals of this book, is, is for people to understand why I M, me now, he had also it sir. Isn't it sing process. I just hope that people read? It then understand they received a lot of things about me. He's got a boy. You got, let's call unmasked my life, sobbing, America's called cases. please pre order at such an important thing for authors, and I think a lot of people don't know is the priority. Is a big deal soldier do that, but it is so weird when they push you to write like we wrote a memoir and were open books, and we still had to be pushed to write personal things that We had no idea like since, as someone who's an introverted, I can imagine our that was yeah. Just can consider the fact that all of those secrets are now going into the library of Congress forever

recorded. That's where everything that you everything you know, no big unfortunate reliant, you're making me feel so much better. That's our special! We have to do it, you gotta their yeah, that's our rule birthright! Yes, exactly! I can't wait to read it, though I mean there's all those S Bay crimes that I know of growing up in in the Bay area. I just can't wait, don't get that the insights group Thursday. I talk about some of the cases have been involved were thin you'd. I was in usual position to either the have caught the cases from the gecko or insult me often the slot cases and some of these cases are cases the worried knows about, but doesn't know that I was involved behind scenes. So in others be details in their about some of these things and nobody's ever heard, and you know again, I'm just excited to be able but this out therein and hope people find it

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childhood hometown that first picture interest or a case. She worked on that and it was the first case for the one that first stuck with you or made you realize the gravity of what you are doing. or maybe your grandma was about ass. You could tell us anything anything any while you know it's its walks. I you know I've been thinking about this. A little bit. Add there so many different ways that I could go. I remember you know my dad was in the air for and he was stationed at Hill AIR Force Base, and this is in one thousand nine hundred and seventy three one thousand nine hundred and seventy four time frame. I, as a young boy, would just go yet I'll do what you did ass a kid back in the early savage You just go wander around and your parents had no idea where he rat

I remember. We allow smoking here and there may be some by creating some smoking at age, four or five or you're on your own address age were five is wandering to during the Copenhagen. You know it s, no better, funny cause. I do remember. I would slide underneath the chain link fans yet oh, to go outside of the base and it was funny cause. I was now collecting bottle caps for whatever reason. does looking forward trash the about as occurred. You think this is a cool is saying things get there. as I got older, I realize when I was out there by myself. That's when TED Bundy was in the area. There also. It was one of those where you go wow. You know what would have happened right, No you his predilection was for for women

still young boy, maybe somebody that a predator Canada passed up and then I think I'll be back over my time ill for similar incidents, incidences inter while that was really stupid. But in terms of you know, for me, you ve. What really got me into my career was at any time of case it was a tv show it on and- and I know when when we did our show together up in Sacramento when you guys brought me out and stays. I talked about it a little bed in terms of and see that the medical examiner pathologist add the that show portrayed this pathologist Quincy Jackleg men who's not only doing the autopsies but is doing the forensic work is investigating the cases you know he. He really is a real person, but I was fascinated with it and then, ultimately, when I went to college

You see, Davis. I was pre mad because I wanted to become a forensic pathologist land there I ended up you. I took a human anatomy course which was taught out at the med school. You see This has an excellent med school ads. I got access to the Medical school Library and they at all they had a shelf, maybe two shells worth of forensic pathology books. This was really the first time that I was opening the pages at seeing images of death and all its states add that was shocking to the system. for the young the uninitiated to see you know what happens when somebody dies, compositional processes or of the Hitler accidents which are horrific in terms of the injuries or airplane crashes, You know you, you start not only going. Jesus is this is gruesome, but it's also that a check on you one more quality, yet

as now, I'm in my early twenties. I think us twenty twenty and have It really is that thought invoking aspect about what life is all about, but I became fast needed with that, but because I was more interested in playing a tar and girls, I did not. I do not have the grades to go to school. I got your twenty twenty. Why, unlike what exactly do you really are? Can roll doctor wouldn't was really at that point. Ok, med school was out and I was kind of struggling what I wanted to do, then I thought because my degree biochemistry that out go into biotechnology, which is brand new at the time. I actually and turned at a biotech companies. Davis called Calgene I thought, while this seems to be the direction on long ago, but I don't know and then I'm at a job fair.

At the. U see Davis Jeer makes a huge complex. I was you know like the basketball floor, all sorts of boots are set up and a lot of biota Companies were there and I was standing in line to talk to some biotech, but he and I look over at this other booth. and there is an old style tv. You know the old see our tvs right sitting up, on one of those tv stands at this booth. They end up the image. The tv was a man lying in a pool of blood, the middle, the catch it. and I was immediately like what's that excuse skills get out of that line and I get over. I go over there and, there was a at an older gentlemen victories from the California, from ballistics Institute? Who was basically, cruising for criminal logistics, which I had never heard of

But he was a young cruellest, are forensic scientists at work in the lab. We also go out to do crimes, eat investigation and I was sold so at that point I was like okay. This is what I want. to do and I immediately went to the USA, Davis job cuts your career library and slipped through yet a recent job announcements and found a forensic toxicologists announcement for contrast, county up in the bay California and I applied, and that literally how I got into at least the beginning of my career, but as a forensic, toxicologist, I've doing drug analysis and I'll call analysis, and I quickly became board and I don't do board where dad.

There was a deputy sheriff from this position opening up after a few years on the job, and they were the ones that got to go out to the crime. Scenes were homicides and I was like yeah that's what I want to do and from that point on, you know I just kind of I got hired into that position. I got hooked into cold Kay says and Cyril Predator stuff into the deep dive early in my career and then end up working so many cases yet Owen and Unfortunately, this is a busy area and a unique unique. area, and so I was exposed to so much over the course of my career. That's amazing! How haven't called cases get solved back? I now hear that we didn't have Netteke genealogy, so it's just like gum shoe are a little bit about However, when I first started, DNA was pretty much brand new and crime lapse and their work some cold cases being solved, but they were what you'd call the low hanging fruit

see. You know they had the obvious physical evidence, the easy physical evidence to use, but time went on those I'd up and out either see illogical cases being solved until DNA matured, but You still have your boots on the ground. Investigate, I just know. You know from my experience that now, you get so locked it on a suspect because of circumstantial evidence and just to see these suspects that your convinced this is the guy and then a watch. The objective, forensic science evidence eliminate that guy that's a cold gaze. For me, I saved I really a more much more comfortable seeing you know. I want that objective evidence to support my thoughts, SK, as I have been wrong. He had Owen and that's just that's the limitation of of that human

thought process. Yet, oh you, you think of this can't be a coincidence. He's gotta be involved and it turns out or just a coincidence. it's crazy, how many coincidence, as there are, unless it is like this is not possible, but that's right. That is possible. Did you ever feel like you had to argue for when DNA was early on, but it was around and did you ever feel like you're the ambassador for that kind of testing or did nobody accepted as it came, was their pushed back against it. What was out like not you know dna technology was a very well embraced within the forensics? community and with law law enforcement. You know the push back aim, of course by the defence because it was new and they wanted to fight it added incriminated. Defended jobs. there you know, that's war. Dna really proved itself was in the courts it all now. I know that kind of this struggle that I had with it. My depart

meant is that the resources just weren't there to work old cases yet. Oh the ninety nineties was very busy a lotta gang violence allotted drug violence, a lot of drug labs I was out, and you know how these beavis butthead Look that were going on here, I was, as you know, the duffel bag filled with chemicals. You know to try to find the time to work a case that was twenty years old was hard and the reality is, as I was, the only one that consistently would do. every now and then an investigator would come on board that showed an interest in that person would get reassigned, add a, but for me it became a passion, and I just did my boss is often didn't know. What I was up to wreck array, so it was just currency that was quite see. I was influenced by that. Clearly didn't didn't wait for permission now. You just want you did it you PETE! Alright, I talk

Peapod. I say you have to take risks. You do if you want to make a difference, you got to take risks, otherwise, you're just going to be another cog in the in the machineries of the agency are working for. I took the ring Unfortunately, I didn't get bed and fortunately you know that my biggest risk was zero maintaining and sitting on golden stay killer and that worked out well, you know we got a very, very bad guy off the streets, but it it's that that's kind of I think across the board. You know, that's the struggle that many agencies have, as they don't have the resources to dig up these old cases it also that's where you get into the arguments of in my book details where I was. I was being criticized because for my own staff, because I was pursuing these cold cases when staff couldn't keep up on the current case work

saying the holes is killing us live at the bad boy in the lab now. Do you remember when you filmed called case files without the first thing like that you ever did tv, okay. So no, you know that very first tv outside of the Euro, a real, quick, but our news, like four o j subsidy to date, myself I doubt the very first thing I did that was unsolved? Mysteries really wow yells case. It was easterly rapist that make sense there in two thousand and one when we had the dna laying for me stare rape as to the original nice stalker down south unsolved, mysteries decided. You know they wanted to interview me. So I went up to Sacramento and interviewed in a motel room which was fairly straightforward, but then,

was down in San Diego for sergeant school and then they called up and said hey we would love to. Have you re enact the foam the Arab, when, when I called down to Orange County about this link, add that was so cool because they had we drive up the LOS Angeles and in some old building downtown and a studio there. Yet, oh, it old sat with bubbling beakers and test tubes in the background which assists so fake and not real. Clearly why you didn't have Bunsen burners has where I wash basin, I watch stations by, but it where it with them. That was really the first time it. So I had to act on the phone and then I had some some extra that was on the set saying. Well, you know you didn't give a long enough

ah here in person on the others, but that that was TAT was the first time. How many takes how many takes did you have to do to pretend to talk on the phone? You know there were multiple takes when I remember how I was. I was so nervous right because this was what I was used to, but you know it was a cool experienced looking back on, and that was the first time and then back and was like that thousand, eight thousand nine timeframe, media guided tourists in that case again. So that's what I did the interview with cold case files to her would stories investigate and that's when one of the producers of that Show Todd. Lindsey he's the one who claims to have told Michelle. Amira about this hysteria, rapists case. Oh, that's, who, of course, when Michel got hooked as to where what is this case and then, of course,

they allow everybody knows her story. At this point, I ass that's amazing and so crazy to me that if you hadn't it's like, I always think of turning points, little mom some people's lives and if you haven't seen the tv at that job, fair weather, dude and blood and or if you had seen it and would like whether how unlikely if thou via, but somehow it like, I feel like we can identify that That is Marinos that we see something like that. Make up this. Instead of what the hell yeah you, the feeling is, you know you're being drawn towards something: that's repelling other people and so then you're trying not to your leg, you how much you yourself or how much you say you know to talk to you about that. Are how much you just go. I don't give a shit I need to know what is going on: Debs, its water those points in my life than a look back on, and it was something that me into work for whatever reason

and I just have the personality and that the skill set to do that kind of work, and it's just Was it all by coincidence that I saw that tv so It is those those little points in your life that the EP mean they make huge differences having that literally, if I hadn't seen that I probably be working for a pharmaceutical come driving around having doc Dio giving out out? examples to God and high high until my God be certain large scale. Addiction mass appeals are so easy. That is the easy they are and we'd never have the hopper all hashtag wherewith Aimee that would be lost. None of this would be happening presidency that tv that's right. That was great. Thank you. You know we love a party everybody does. Fires were so proud that you are in our family. Just me,

the world to us that that you and Billy do that show and that you actually did join us after all cause it's it's just the coolest. Yes, where your power one fanned by you'd up, do you die you guys to theirs. There's a special court action in our and care, and yet a wee wee wee floated in the past euro. Now I mean once this quarantine is over have a photo? The three of us from the Sacramento show us ended along if we want to put it on Instagram will. Surely there said the ugly? I ask you fine, backstage backstage baby on times so April, twenty twenty to make sure that you pre order unmasked my life, sobbing America's Corky since by none other than Paul halls, always always always rate review and subscribe to the murders? Why new episodes earliest every Monday, Paul Hall

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