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I found tat by burning three ts. That's my new ass leisure, where Megan Line, but this is America. We reject your stories Karen you wanna go first, I do. I wanna go first of all the time in every situation, could I got out by always goes I get here? Let me step forward and talk in a loud voice. This is entitled hometown story greetings. I remember hearing this story from my hometown between Buffalo and Rochester New York, who, from the time I was an elementary school, my parents s friend was a sheriff who apparently didn't filter his stories around children. I was finally inspired to look it up after listening to dozens of home towns in your Parkhurst. That has been getting me through the pit this pandemic anyway cares the story in nineteen. Eighty seven, the police were called to a domestic where a man named Joseph Slum was threatening to kill his girlfriend and her two kids. He had a pillow over the face of a new born and the night to the baby's chest. I wasn't following orders from them.

Responding officer to drop both items: officer said after the fact he was right about shoot em, because the baby was dying when Joe finally did drop both and was arrested when they buy I am questioning him. He admitted that he'd murdered a woman. They initially didn't believe him. They were Missing any per there weren't any missing persons cases open at the time, but when they searched the name of the war men PAM Smith- they found that she'd, Mr Corrie. Date a few years before and began to believe him. He explained that he'd hit or in the head with a rock and angles or with a cordon and buried her under the floorboards of. Friendly motel, when I went to the motel, he showed them the room he stepped on the floorboards to prove they made a squeaking, sound and sure enough. She was

under the motel floorboards thought this sends out a book? I know where is he he was sentenced to seventeen years to life at Auburn State prison and has since died in prison? I believe her family never reported her missing because they thought she gone to Texas. I'm sure you're wondering how did no one noticed the smell. Well them hotel owner explained that he'd assume the resident both constrictor. The residents boa constructor had gotten loose and somehow produce the exact smell of a body decaying totally normal. I'd always heard this story had happened on prom night, but since he, this twenty five and he kills her. When she was nineteen, then I think that was an embellishment. It's crazy to think that if the officer had shot Joe, they may never have found PAM anyway. Thanks for all you do it's nice to hear other voices. Besides your husband's during quarantine, every now and again, even if you love him very much stays sexy and stay away from those empty side of the road motels, because there

the body under the floorboards Rebecca that has everything that has happened at that crazy. I think we can we create behind stopping we on the left, let's not the process of not believing someone when they said that they killed someone being like what we don't have anyone messing around in this fucking neck of the woods were there there's no there's no hungry both constructors anywhere near here, so where there is an island or have you that rationale is like your definitely that's. That's like I don't want to do any more money for world Boa constrictor excuse yeah, so once just called small town pillar, the Ladys I've been meaning to get the story down for a while and you ve. Given me the perfect reason to get it done. I work in a nursery and spent many hours of my day alone. So I usually bring you with me and I think you, by the way,

fucking lerius! So here's my story when I was five. I was indeed here with my siblings at my quote, aunt duties house. She was no real relation, just a close friend everyone's an ant anyway. She watched quite a few kids and one of them was her husband's nephew. He This brought a yellow, duffel bag, full of toy guns. One day we were playing by the poor while Judy was in the house on one of her incredibly long phone calls the nephew tone. Made a kiss him and I refused him bugging me, and I eventually gave him the five Euro version of go fuck yourself, pow. I, which he got upset and pulled his day. Its pearl handled twenty two caliber pistol out of the Yellow Duffel bag and put it up to my forehead. These kids are five. Ah, my elder sister saw this all go down and ran into the house screaming for help, and my quote aunt proceeded to chew her ass out for interrupting her. The senses that could happen in either or childhoods re ends.

It actually did happen and meanwhile Standard Fair, her moms unsound, agar moms on phone urine. You might the area not survive this while outside I am still refusing to kiss the little creep- and my sister comes back out just in time to watch him pull the trigger the gun. The loaded and it and it did fire The only reason I'm alive is because the bullet jammed in the chamber. Needless to say, the sound of the gun got that bitch off her phone unduly my mother, somehow managed not to beat her up and the kid move to California that weak with his family, oh Jesus, yeah, they're out of there. I believe I heard a rumour a couple years later that he ended up killing his younger brother. No, I won't include the details. Fortunately, for me, I block the entire incident out and have no recollection of it at all. However, my poor sister was never the same afterwards. Of course,

a sexy and keep your guns locked the fuck up crystal I mean that is cautionary tale after cautionary fuckin tale. I really wanted that to be that. That was just like a little kid messing around any didn't know the difference. In the idea that he went on to heard another kid is row horrible, what he might not of and its clear that if he, if that's what was going on with him, there was something going on at home in on me. In my mind. In my estimation, if you are a little kid carrying a bag of guns around with you and and putting it to someone tat and pulling the trigger is like. Retaliation for not kissing the EU on the lips is like Lou. Here he's he's mimicking that for some time been taught yeah? What's up it's horrible! That's what this past is heavy horrible let's get heavier and horrible or- and this The decline of this email is, since you mention John List, hello,

all I was listening to your most recent episodes, small bigfoot and my ears pricked up when you mentioned John less for two particular reasons: reason number one: since I've, no self control must into podcasting completely random order. I was so pleased and excited to hear that you actually did covered on list turns out. I've just been too lazy to scroll all the way down to anything under episode. Fifty reason Here too, a lovely receptionist at my job has a crazy connection to that hometown, murder list No, the current o Brien episode to, if there's some John less tidbits, and that that we did I work in an orthodontic office and on Thursdays we dont have patience. We just clean and catch up on all its administrative things. So typically, I put my headphones in and listen to my true crime. Pod gas all day one day, look over our receptionist will color Marie and asked if she had any interesting, true crime stories and man did she ever she group New Jersey, right across the river from the John List home. I believe

told me that she was eight years old when the talk of the neighborhood was slow. Of the list family. She proceeded. Give great detail about the murder and how he got away with his senseless crime. She even told me that at the time it scared her so much. She would even ask her dad from time to time to please not kill her family and no one will ever that I mean it's like it it sounds like something I would have liked entirely or like. If this would swear you would already. I want you to know, I don't want you to do the right right eye. Could hear myself as a kept saying that, to my sweet, tat, pleased, murder, ass sure, Just as my parents like once a week, are they getting divorced, leered wildfire early eighties divorces, word ass, like all the sudden, seventy five per

your friends, parents we're getting the hours. I just would like every night at dinner, just be like art sears there, you gonna get you to find out what it is like rise by this. That's the worst thing is when they set you down. I've deftly said to vent. Please don't tell me break up with me. I swear it's fine. If, like you're over a break up with me, image don't kill me. I am sure, is horrified by his justly ok hovering over there and it said deal. Georgia must shake your hand. Very formally sounds good. That promise. As a primary d do the then she put in parentheses, poor thing, which is true after of course, he didn't and she grew up to bear be very kind and spunky. So luckily I didn't traumatize her. Here's, the wild part Marie, went on with life We went on with her life. She moved to Virginia inserted a family with her husband. One day. Nearly eighteen years later, she sat down to watch the news. Lo and behold, John,

as to slaughtered his whole family, just down the street for Marine eighteen years ago, had been apprehended just two miles down the street from her new home in Virginia. What are the odds revolutionary, of course, is shocked. She had never thought that he can t be caught after such a long time, let alone right down the street from our new home. A few states over I could not believe my ears at this wild story and had to research it myself and everything was exactly how she's great described it to me. The simple fact that, he was caught based off a composite sculpture aged eighteen years, blows my mind, but the fact that Murray experience, both a hometown murder and a home town apprehension of the salmon. I later in completely different places, surprises me even more anyway. Thank you over everything. You do stay sexy and try not to move the same town as your hometown murderer Anna. Why are the fucking chances? That's crazy? I ve just now yeah Why? I love that, that's all you got ask every single person in your life of their own town,

sticking, that's a gold star hometown, I daresay foreshadows really upper echelons. I think that's up there with chains sign down put telephone. Nothing could be further that by its class I haven't. I just called hometown story: Dear Georgia, Karen and Stephen spirit of bad ass grandmother stories. I wanna do a corrections corner for a hundred and two year old bit of family folklore, its tragic story that my grandmother, Mary Margarethe, the oldest of twelve children, born in nineteen sixteen and start County Illinois. She raised five kids on a dairy farm you tell, I remember about Her- was very rough hands that would snag on the polyester dresses she wore in the seventies. Oh yeah, yeah and also worked yes, and also her wedding ring was worn down to a mere thread from years of manual labor. She

doesn't retired long when early onset Alzheimer set in and we lost about, but we lost her about ten years before she actually died. Theirs always been an air of sadness about her and much speculation ass to the cause sums it was that she'd been engaged to a man who died before she married my grandpa. My mom thought it was sleep deprivation for milking cows at four a m for fifty years. Might Thou told a story that I thought was very likely at the heart of it. When she was little, she was baby sitting her one Euro brother, Joseph he got into some iron tablets and died away. The story was told, implied that she had been responsible and that he had died on her watch and made it made sense, set. The guilt of that could be just the thing that might haunt her for the rest of her life. Recently, I was putting together scrap book about our family tree and in visiting a graveyard where my Margarethe family is buried. I came upon the grave zone of little Joseph, his birth and debt. Dates for nineteen, seventeen through nineteen eighteen, I was shocked my group

mother is born nineteen, sixteen, which meant she was only two years old. When he died later chemical, came across the account of his death and the newspaper. It's that Mary had been playing doktor with the iron tablets that belong to her grandmother, who was a guest at home. The fact, that, this account was written in the small town newspaper forever. Connecting my grandmother to this tragedy is so wrong. For me, I do believe that she was quote babysitting suggests at nineteen eighteen. Somebody was looking for somewhere to place. The blame The version in a newspaper stack and my poor grandmother had to carry that this. Stories of women are missing from history. Thanks for creating a platform that helps to remedy that Molly associate, so they they didn't, want to blame the grandmother for having iron tablets out and so they. Claimed a two year old, who probably was supposed to be baby sitting a fucking when you're all year,

I think rule of thumb is if you won't need a baby sitter, the baby sugar did. The baby sitter should have already been through at least first great just for the basics. You know you're standing up and sitting down right and go into the bathroom where's posted. It should be a person. That's twice as Tal was the baby right, and then you don't print that it was their fault for the baby dying in a fucking. Local knew no fuckin assholes, it's a baby to leave the Jew babies. Why do I have to say to your old or baby? Making me call toil, can export now. Everyone knows you're the export of children. Ok, so here's thing when their laying down like a super baby and then it then then set that is to say, dear oh, super baby than zero to two is baby. Ok, and two to four: that's like a big bang. Being baby here and then once you get in those little white shoes with the laser, then them

can start talking about practising babies, not until five or six, the thought of, like my sister, letting my four and a half year old, nephew of babies quo babysit my one year old, nephew baby, you imagine there'd be Cheerios everywhere, just may have curios. I mean that that is the weird thing, too, is also why then, when there was co, came in and Coca COLA, are they it's like it maybe that means there shouldn't be iron pills available to people that freely even We could get into them and then I think that the two words that are the Thank God part of this, our child proof. So one word or two words- it's it's one goes against spam or hyphen it than ominous put an aim at the end of its efforts towards a child for a man and baby boom. Literal railway amen poor baby, you did it super baby

How uncomfortable like those two babies on a couch staring at each other like sorry, who's, the baby sitter is it you are you in charge? Are you you? I have to ask you for my barriers. I suppose I get yours. Do you want juice to? I gave this creating for juice pirates booty? Oh, no! That's right! You can't! You have no teeth in your mouth. You can't have areas these about Mary, you're, a super baby I don't know about you, but sometimes I feel like I need a summer vacation from cook a man Karen girl, oh naturally, lately caring human skipping out on meal crap and keeping things easy with daily horror stray usually have these true right daily harvest is helping us all, beat the heat with their refreshing, smooth, ease and delicious scoops. Their new plant based ice cream scoop

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Not believe how many middle age people come here to do, but that we are a stop all thirty year old middle age. Before I am advanced age, fun, overweight, inferences uses as not fun middle aged people. Like you, a conservative, ok you're, not here for the life story of a young murder. You know you came for a pervert story. I'm a cashier at one of the two grocery stores in my wonderful town fourteen year old to use your cash here. Yes, girl. Out there in the workforce, as we used to have a man who came in about three times a week, ready to give weird compliments to Oliver under aged workers. Now I work and customer service where stuff like this is commonplace, hits the reason these compliments were notable. Is that every single one was mouth oriented mouth oriented, maybe the two previous words I've ever It does not work.

I'm going in a good direction. Now yap. You read that correctly. This man will call him Dave would come in and complement our teeth lips and fucking time. I can't make the shit up of wars. This guy was reported to our boss, but here's the thing about small town- nordic hotel. No one things! Anything is weird unless something physical happens and unluckily. For me, the fourteen year old, being weird it out by compliments, didn't make the cut, which is incorrect, halved or months of reporting. This guy. He was finally kicked out of the store, not because of all the cup complaints, but because this happen. I was a normal. It was a normal work day. I was restocking ground crackers in one of the aisles when all Dave Camp comes up behind me. Breathing like he was about to Jesus fourteen years or day, but listen. This is her story gets to tell she is she does and she's? U N, n she's doing an amazing. Now

forgot to mention, but I'm five one and ninety seven pounds, so this guy could easily overpower me. So I'm shooting myself in this guy goes your teeth or so white. What products do you? I gave a short, laugh in my customer service voice and said something about crest toothpaste. He shoe bring back a nice well and he all caps sticks is fucking hand in my mouth,

Scrubby old man stuck his hand on my mouth and felt my t. Why? So I cannot describe the wave of terror in shock that went through my body keep in mind. This was during the first stages of corona when we were when we were all scared, but it wasn't in America yet so, naturally, my six great Self Defense Class kicked in and I shut my knuckle into that mother fuckers I and ran anyway. This is why don't fuck the straight Dids aided shit? Is it and we know that our aid its she her? They then do. We know what she her in parentheses, Ernie. Well, thank you yeah. What do not stick Your hand in someone's mouth hole like always that not just unknown fuckin rule of life well resolved to say going through that you

aid has up to her mouth, was gay improbably three times a day and requires of that she'll have perfect teething guns. For the rest, I write the funny thing to me as asking a fourteen year old, how their teeth are. So why and that's like because their fourteen and they haven't gotten into caught a coffee addiction and a wine addiction? Yes, yes, it's good child, they haven't chipped, both their front teeth on beer bottles and Lake Tahoe, like old Karen did there just living their lives and their clean teeth lies I Oda South Dakota right, Aid in a way that stories disturbing, but I love that you told us that means that you're, not that of a still that upset about it? I mean you can be as upsetting an you're smart and United Landleaguers ART. It clear enough I've noticed about you. You have a beautiful tongue,

but if someone said that that that pay another area, if anyone's talking you about your tongue and you haven't been dating for three months- amends you gonna, walk and then ask if you are dating in there talking about your tongue that still cannot fishy. Then you alert some tree of your friends. Does a this was actually a point of discussion? Keep your eye on me. You know I got my first when I was hurt when I was thirteen. Ninety ninety five or got my tongue nurse did it hurt so that now it doesn't hurt at all. Oh look I'll nipples, her ok But what happened? Did you unplug Did you take it out, o God here, because the nineties tank member time persons were cool? Yes, I do, and I browse Pierce IRA, the older age just

a guy with a ring sitting on his IRA asses, though, and a bowling sure sweet like he hates you, three murders and he's wearing creepers over creepers ia, and he is mad about pavement. He's amount about you not know enough about pavement. Asshole iranian neck. I Radner citizens got a little spooky very light. Hearted high, all love your work, I'm just now. Rich twenty one year old, forensic science, student from Sidney, Australia, commonality with a fine little spooky, and that's that bunch of oaths and some are applications are lower case. You know so there s boots key amazing. Coming out you with a fine story that I borrowed from my brother for a little country ex my elder brothers. Twenty two and his friends had a somewhat odd obsession with torches, better known as flashlights for you, Americans and many of them on their own crazy, powerful torch amongst them.

Feature as many of their torches have a stroke function. Think rave, I always do. One night after getting together amongst friends, my brother and his friends piled into a car to drive home around too. I am well on their way home. My brother notice, what appeared to be a ghost in a white nightgown. They continued on driving for a short while, however, my brother insisted that they had just witnessed the paranormal paranormal being, and so they decided it would be funny to turn around to find this ghost and strove it with their torches. Fortunately, by the time they reached this poor old lady in her nightgown, who is attempting to waive down the few cars that had passed her by they had our he had changed, changed her heart and decided against stroking her good eye

It turned out that those lovely lady, Barbara has dementia and accidently wandered out of her house in the middle of the night, unbeknownst to her sleeping husband, nightmare the boys who now dab themselves barbers boys found her place of residence from her identification. Think I'd. She had brought her hand bag with her and delivered her safely home. Her husband, who she unfortunately did not recognise when she was returned home, had not yet realised that she was gone. It is comforting to know that there are still lovely young men out there looking out for our society's most vulnerable, I've used her name with the assumption that she does not listen to this podcast. However, if she does hyberborean We can only hope that the good days outweigh the bad and that she and her family are doing as well as possible during this time stay

taxi and dont stroke, poor old women with flashlights M yeah, but we light hearted. As I expected it's, I don't put at last. Well, I do like me, you know the sentiment of it, which is theirs good people out there I mean that's it such a common thing too, and so on. Terrible, but that thing of people with dementia wandering they get very restless and they want to go walk. So then, it's very common and yeah it, sir scarier than if it were something paranormal, kids, it's horrible, rail, yeah assemblies, Europe, paranormal or non paranormal or flashlight related or whatever fourteen year old tongue stories, yes or tell us how you get your teeth, so I they look great and also the I love this idea them people like discovering. So

in their coworker dead or they're, making their coworker tell him study. I know we're all gonna zoom calls these days and then can be very dull. Dont, be afraid, just throw anything out, they're asking people about themselves. They we all love to talk about ourselves. We do and loved we'll have to hear about yourselves said unto my favorite murderer gmail or on our website wherever and stay sexy and don't get murdered by all this. You wanna cookie.