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long form, series on the southeastern victims of serial killer Samuel little look for new releases from the fall line each Wednesday on Stitcher Apple pie. Asked or wherever you listen I will go by my favorite murder, the men So many. So that's Georgia, heart stark! That's Karen kill Garris, and these are in Stevens over more laying all the way down flat in his area, and these are your letters that you've sent us that are where we appreciate so much. I got so many good ones this week that I just

just love them. I'll read them next week they were so good everybody's good at it. Now everybody knows how to tell a story. I mean that's just kind of you know a natural thing. Most people know how to tell a story. People are getting good at injecting their own personality write a good. Even they can write a good email, maybe everyone's lying yeah. Do you want to go first this week to get in there? What a great idea? Okay, this just says, hello, hello, hello, I'm writing you from my inlaws house in Southern Oregon, since working remotely due to cover my husband and I decided to leave LOS Angeles for awhile and hunger down up here. It's spent so great to have a change of scenery in this beautiful area combat every day. I come here to visit my husband's hometown near Ashland Oregon. We always talk about the unsolved murder that happened almost ten years ago. At the time my husband is attending college at Southern Oregon University, which is located in Ashland Home of the Oregon Shakespeare festival. Yes, I

went there. When I was well and I've changed my life, they thought it was amazing, horrible pretty magical in that town, lots of trees, little squirrels locals on bikes and cute shops to walk around. So the story goes in November, two thousand and eleven a young men in David grubs. It was heading home from a shift at a local grocery store, just a feeble away from the outdoor cedar, where the Shakespeare actors perform often in elaborate costumes and prop swords for fighting on stage as darkness. The that night, the twenty three year old, who was walking home on the bike path, was brutally attacked. On someone came, upon his body. They discovered his head was narrowly chopped off. On official investigation. The autopsy revealed that David died of sharp force trauma a finely honed blade longer than a typical knife, the pop

popular theory being that he was decapitated with a sword. Ashton police have worked on this case for years and still don't have the answer to who killed David. The connection between the Shakespeare Festival and the possible use of a sword as the weapon is not confirmed, but certainly has painted a haunting legend around his murder. It's so sad I really can't imagine such a brutal act of violence happening to anyone? I love. In case this ends up being read. Crime stoppers of southern Oregon would love to hear tips. Anyone they have. I have no that's good, to know, Shakespeare Festival. I have no affiliation, except that my heart breaks. Every time we drive through ashlan- and I remember the story of David. I've read that police are still searching for any witnesses, details or knowledge that hasn't yet been reported. Thanks for sharing the amazing stories of your listeners, I learned such interesting things each week and I'm grateful for this consistent source of joy and curiosity Sexy and stay far away from sorts and there's no name

Can you just read again what year that crime took place so that if anybody does have a memory or something they can call to crime stoppers of Southern Oregon and give information? Yes, it was two thousand and eleven and it sounds like the Shakespeare Festival must have been going on. If that was a summertime, yeah summertime, two thousand and eleven yeah or that's not for sure. I don't right, but it was summer because we went there and didn't get out of school yeah, I'm pretty sure, and his name was David Grubs G r: U B b s if he want to look it up, David Grub yeah, so horror, and it's so true that town is very quaint and everything about it is very delay it full and enormous whimsical, sir idea that their assisting just a terribly violent murder is, is horrible, okay,

we're going to stay in Oregon for this. My first home town here Awesome Oregon. Well, I'm not going to read you the subject line. It just says at the beginning. You know who you are. I love it. Well done, I love it, and here in the late nineteenth seventies, early nineteen eightys, I lived and went to college in Portland Oregon with my b f F, when we needed to Cutlass, we would frequent one, if not more, of the many taverns in our area. The one that we enjoyed was the false it reaches the thought came. I worry that aim for a bar. Let's check how good is that it at large tvs tuned tune to football, cheap, here and a good looking bartender amen rate. During that time, I shall say flirted with every bar tender at every establishment. We frequented in the hope of getting either a free, drink or service before everyone else at the full member,

I have never flirted with the bartender. I've always been like may get the top notch people at the bar they don't want my fucking bullshit you know like a bartender doesn't want to date. Me it's like. Well, I always just figure whatever is going on with them. Personally, a bartender doesn't have the time to fuck around with me. So if I can include a witty rejoinder, is that the that organ in

the order, that's fine, but nothing extra is there just like. I need to make money for those people over there. He I wait. Staff in bartenders, don't want your number and let s bill. Give u yours if they want to fucking talk to what you have you ever give you there's yeah yeah, yeah yeah, don't hit on don't hit on weight staff in bartenders. Please! If away. If a waiter gives you your phone number, that's actually a proposal of marriage you're actually leisurely mad to them. They just your number and give it to you- have to marry them common law now formula. It's it's le! Ok, at the thoughts it at the fostered the bartender was Randy one. This is such an eighties picture, a lousy light for our their Randy's anymore. I don't like Sonata thinking about. Are their Rabin anymore? I'm a born. The cool guy was always Robbie. They'll excuse order, surfer. I was sure, there's no more Bobby's, it might make

he'll be a family name, but the Mackenzie are beating out the lobbyists at least ten to one minutely. These are not real. These are not real statistics, everybody one night. Ok! Now it turn one night. He asked me out and all cap for some reason. I said I don't go out with people, I dont know meaning someone with no references in my life, other friends or school or coworkers, etc. This was a complete lie. I was in my early twenties. It was the eighties I went out with everyone has grown ups ranger. As you know, we did it in there's, no shame because everybody does and they didn't want. Our aid is L phones like an Google, so they did it

If I may have to learn how to do it. That was the other piece to is. If you did go to a bar, where you may have had a crush or Ben deeply in love with the bartender separate from your alcoholism, you would have to make it happen in that environment you there was no facebook for him or you to stock the other totally. If only we could go back to the time of no facebook. Anyway, I miss bars. Ok, he kept pressing and I kept retreating. I do not know why he was good. Looking here is as nice as could be, but dot dot dot one night The phone rang Europe, one that had occurred and was hanging on and it was Randy. He again asked me out and I d again declined when I asked my roommate how he got our number. She told me that she gave it to him because quote he seemed nice. Any really wanted to go out with me. A few later. I was watching the news in time to hear that the authorities had captured the eye five killer and when they showed him on film next to his

ow, I yelled isn't that Randy from the sauce that you guessed it. It was none other than Randy Woodfield. The I five killers is fucking heavy hitter, that's a big one and she had Benny professional football player. He was classic part. Air parted down the middle eighties dude hot! He was Jude, thus Chickpeas, Second award is she I'm in four relocate. Needless to say, anytime thereafter, my roommate would ask me for a favor printers he's driving to the airport, helping our moves baby sitting. I would remind her of the time she gave our phone number. She gave our phone number to a serial killer. I joined the countless other people who have thanked you for your work. You too Steven during the pandemic. I especially enjoy the first part of the podcast, where the two of you are just so excited to be talking to each other. It's so that you are talking about anything and everything. It's as, if I'm sitting right there on that couch with you too, and not

right, so lonely in the pandemic. Also, Karen love on the spectrum and cardinal are fantastic and thanks so much for those recommendations. Remember as bad as this gets. You are not alone state sexy and flirt with only certain bartenders Cindy like Cindy or big sister who's. Like I lived in, let me tell you what to do. That's also crazy. Cindy is an eighty s name also an eight along with Randy and the rest and Robbie Cindy is an eighty s, and, oh, my God, Cindy. You nailed that. Thank you. So much and holy shit like you, must feel, like you have a superpower to cause yeah yeah, because you do because that instinct I mean, I hope it has served you well in every other way. Is that all that was an unbelievable? That's that's unjust than are ok, like Cindy here's, our new slogan B like Cindy and go with your gut and do date,

be from the aid he is. Ok compounds are ok, just starts, ok, look. I was listening to lax last week's many sound and you asked for trying to kill your sibling stories. I shot coffee out of my nose and almost drove off the road. The. Finally, I have something to tell Karen in Georgia.

Five years older than my sister and to say that I was furious when she was born is an understatement. Having been an only child up into this point, I was less than thrilled to have to share the spotlight. Well, she came out, kicking and screaming. I would not stop screaming for the first nine months of her life and then, in parentheses it says, colic and then it says, insert I roll here. She made up the colic she's, making she's like colic, isn't real nine months of this was long enough to instill. In me, I need to rip the earth earth and our family of this wretched child. As my first attempt was when she was maybe two years old, I took her upstairs and convinced her to eat a ton of children's grape tylenol. That's like legit attempted murder. Yes, it is, and then say, I'm too old to have been deterred by child proof. Packaging, oh my god. Needless to say, she got through about a quarter of the bottle before my dad walked in rushed her to the bathroom made her vomit and then called poison control, and then says: oh well, a few years later being inspired by shell silver scene. I decided, if I couldn't, kill her, then I would rehome her. I got out my little red wagon and made her sit in it and made a sign out of cardboard that read one sister for sale, twenty five dollars. I sat on my lawn chair and waited. We lived in a quiet coldasack with no real traffic, so I didn't have any takers. Our grandmother lived across the street from us at the time she called my mom and then came out of her house paid me a quarter and then took my sister with at least I made a profit on that attempt. Oh yeah. Finally, I figured if my parents got mad enough at her. They would get rid of her for me. So after my mom's brand new expensive drapes got delivered and installed, I snuck into the living room and cut a big hole in the corner of the drapes and fucking. We had to get drapes put in the house that shit is not fucking cheap. It's ridiculous hell of expensive, it's a fucking scam, okay yeah

If not, then I then planted the scissors in her bedroom and waited at my mother was so livid. I thought she would have a stroke. I certainly replied Beth. Did it and then proceeded to find the evidence in her room for the first time in my life, my mom believe me and my sister was in trouble not a huge deal, and she was only four, but it was a win in my book I carried the secret. With me, for thirty five years in jail, I finally admitted at a family dinner that it had to me that it cut those drapes all those years before and had never been more thrilled than to have gotten away with it. But now I am an upstanding for the most part citizen of two boys. True crime attics, who has never felt the need to frame my sister or any one else again, but my stories are legendary in our family and whenever a friend of my sister meets me, they say: oh you're, the one who tried to kill her yap,

Needless to say, after all of my countless torturing of my sister, my parents never felt the need to have more children yeah. I love you both so much and you are the glue holding this epic show of a world together. For me, sexy and don't try to sell your sister in front of your grandparents House, Kate, Kate. Oh, my. It makes me a little better about my sister. I don't think she tried to kill me. You know you remember I bet or yeah. You would have buried deep, either way, either way. That's so hilarious. I also love that she I mean, thing is more devious than the last. I think so. The sales one is the lightest yeah straight up, trying to poison her really dark, but then the like the real hitch, cocky and setup of the drapes undoes me deeply. Then the fact that she didn't go, oh when we turn twenty one, I'm gonna cop to it. I fucking thirty five years,

I'd like to hear from Beth, yes, wait is that her sister's aspect, let's hear best side of this, her Beth side of this for sure, because she's like oh, I was, hostile long long ago, been in a straight jacket, actually wasn't funny. Actually the is no bath, but this was an only child. Ok, I again, I don't wanna rigid subject my even though its good, hey, all New York in the seventies was rough. The son of SAM was on a rampage. Vietnam was happening and honestly serial killers were really coming to the forefront everywhere. It's her shit was not ok, people so got into the habit of making phone calls to random numbers and breathing heavily into the receiver in order to get off sexually. I mean

want to yuck someone else's yum. Oh my god, that is the most beautiful thing I've ever heard. Don't you see? I love that. Do you hate it? I love it. I love it, but I It translates even through phone lines. Yes, it certainly what it's all about a day: okay anyways my mom, her brother and her mom Elaine were living on Staten Island and my grandpa was serving in Vietnam as an army chaplain. So she was feeling pretty vulnerable, as she was all alone with two young kids in the same state that a lot of crazy stuff was happening in these calls were coming in on a near daily basis, and it was pretty pretty upsetting it as well. Well, Elaine was set up with these deviants, so she came up with an action plan. It was so

simple and effective. She would answer the phone and immediately blow a regulation, coaches whistle ass, loudly ass. She could they received ass, a genius and she would blowing was until they It's it's such a quick, easy person, so if this whistle next to the phone, so it always was on stand by my mom, said that she'd be playing outside with her brother, and they would just randomly here the whistleblowers and they knew a lane, was causing some hearing damage to some image or individuals ears and really keep killing some people's lives. Migration

with such a strong woman and she went through so much in her lifetime. She taught me the value of kindness and how to be a strong woman myself. She passed away in two thousand and four from cancer, and she has been missed so dearly on my wedding day this past March, right before covert hit. I was given her wedding ring to, whereas my something old- oh that got me- that's bad, loving, good and knowing that she was there with me made the day even more memorable, it was even more meaningful. As my grandpa, her husband, married, my husband, and I could see, was the army chaplain? He made it through Vietnam think on when he looked at that ring he tearfully, expressed how proud she would be of us and that he misses her every day. I hope this story gives you some hope that love does exist even in it's crazy, unpredictable world love you all so much. Thank you for all. You do Ssdg Heather from Colorado, please

something nice or give some good news to a teacher. If you know one, we could really use some encouragement right now that's beautiful Heather! touching. It was great, so touching the We think that could have made that better she looked down and who has given her regulation, coaches, whistle career mothers, who taught us like a year. History were like you're now has been unwise and he puts the coach the whistle around her neck. Like a necklace, you know you around both of their now other travel. All your heads are trapped together and then he whistles and both of their ears. This is what love is like fixing, exciting and painful. Deafening love is happening. You know it's real when you can't hear and your panic of all those great in two thousand and twelve a seventy. Two year old man named Samuel, little was charged with three losses.

Angeles murders dating back to the nineteen eighties. So we finally got where we were going. I grabbed my legs and pull it to the water Yes, the only one that filled since then it's become clear. He is the most prolific serial killer. The United States has ever seen ninety three victims, nineteen states, Samuel Little has become infamous, but his victims some of whom remain unidentified are stuck in the shadows. It's time for that to change my in working with some of the victims. Families is that he was dead wrong? They were they I'm very love their family were hurting. The fall line, presents a special limited series, the victims of Samuel Little will cover both

solved an unsolved southeastern cases and tell you how you can help the victims still waiting for justice featuring rare interrogation, tape, FBI interviews and in depth. Detail this is a series you won't want to miss episodes begin on September. Sixteen from exactly right network find us on Stitcher, Apple pie cast or wherever you listen. I'm all right, my last one is about treasure from action, parentis inaction, park story to a treasure, come action, parquet asked, or I can get another these action Burke, oh, and that the photo of the woman from last week's Action Park story where she hid her face at the bottom of the pool entered and her dad made like took photos of it. Oh yeah got the photo. Stephen can be put that in this in the Instagram or a twitter of eugenics. Episode just remind me,

that's great. It struck and swollen treasure high I thought I missed my window to send you my action park story, but it seems that that window will never close for you too. We broke that wall open, there's, not even a window right. So here goes in the mid eighties. Two of my older cousins spent their summers life guarding at the wave pool at Action Park, aka the grave pool and it's true. Three fucking people died in it. No, I still haven't watched the documentary. I have to sorry. No, that's okay, but I mean fuck Jesus yeah. It's crazy! The way it pulls terrified me and this one as this will make you it's terrifying yeah, sorry about the Christmas. After their first summer, action park, their family of six kids and my aunt and uncle came to visit my family in New Hampshire. For Christmas, at our house. There were three of us, kids, plus my mom and grandmother. So when we were altogether is pretty chaotic and festive it was

a tradition for us cousins to give anyone gifts at Christmas. We left all the gifting to the adults so, but that Christmas we all had mysterious package's under the tree that were signed from our cousins lifeguards. Oh, when we opened the package's, they all had watches in them, wrapped in tissue paper. Any guesses where the watches came from this in turn now that every night after the guess left action park and they turned the waves off all twelve of the lifeguards who are on duty and then it said, that's right. Twelve I'll tell you fuckin dangerous was yes, but a race down to the bottom of the pool where the giant sucking filters or and fish out all the treasure They got wallets loose cash jewellery. Many many wedding rings, watches upon watches

I don't, remember the details of every watch they gave out at Christmas that year, but I know that my brother and I each got a Cassio calculator watch. Oh shit, the bomb in my eighth grade algebra class and my grandmother got a brown swatch, which she wore well into the two thousand. We love the hell out of those watches. I don't think I need to tell you that the idea of a pool that is capable of knocking, watches off of people's wrist is not cool. I have never and will never go in a fucking wave pool, and then it's s s, D g, I gp stay sex can grab a pool, gp, goddamn pool yeah,

Libby from North Hampton Massachusetts, wow Libby, how cool that is, like Christmas shopping at the bottom of a wave pool. That is like the scariest worst story with this in this delicious cream cheese, icing of free watches and cash on wedding rings. So everything about that fucking, the impact of you haven't seen. Is it called action park or class action park? I think it's called action park. Let me look, and you know, what's his name in it. The comedian Chris Gethard Chris Cather is so funny in it. Yeah it's class action Park class action park. Okay on HBO, he says, he's a thing at the end of it where it's like. You know as adults, we all when we're drinking beers with our friends. We all laugh about it, but we also up cry about it. Our therapists off as yeah that the neglect is neglect Israel, it's the height of it

the eighties raid, the early middys every but he cared about. It was like now we're into Wall Street and you kids can go fuck yourself, air, no, you weren't precious, yet we weren't precious. No, we weren't your precious in the eyes of God or our pair. I spoke a I'm an end with a psychic aunt story Fan Hake, Angie growing up. My dad told me lots of stories about my great aunt. May I also had a great man she had. She was a surgical native but she had a weird accents that many scientists go. Natives have the mix them sound like their from New York, so she'd shoes, big into making issues being into crafts and you'd make a lot of pies, and she D told my dad one time and he does it every time, because my devils making apple. Why and my aunt may told them- the secret is the key thing in the middle:

Apparently that's event the center of the pie yeah. So the thing in the middle has a place to escape and it doesn't get soggy. Oh, I love it M M, okay, but the we're back to it. Antman. She was well known for her sense of humor, her outrageous fashion, sense, parentheses, we're talking multiple layers of diamond necklaces and rings eyes, close parentheses and the fact that she had a knack for predicting the future in her child

I'll tat. She had been a well which her that someone who holds a branch or some shit and can tell you where to dig for water when she made her fortune repeatedly winning at horse races. She one so much in fact that not her nor her for husbands and then again in front disease anti may seem to always pick well off man that died young, oh ok, boss. She knew the future tat. Close parentheses never had to work to support the family. On top of all that, whenever she was bored, she would read tv for her friends and neighbours in exchange for cash or you gossip about the people she hated. Yes, as my father tells it all these trades, came to a stop when she was in her mid thirties and her best friend Anna came over for a tea leaf. Reading anti may pick. Up Anna's cup to read it and abruptly stopped, insisting that she wasn't feeling well and sending Anna home without telling her what the law said said this

Second, her best friend was out the door. She called my grandmother and told her, and I quote Jean: there was nothing but death and that goddamn cup, as it turns on our way home from Aunt Maize House Anna gotTa to a terrible car accident and less than twenty minutes after leaving she died. May had had a lot of regret about not telling Anna her fortune and even more for sending her out of the house to her death. After that, she quit reading tales. Although she still went to the race track every week to quote keep up the lifestyle that she was accustomed. You got to have hobbies and then you're older right, a freaky fact great. Anti may lived until the day I was born. May thirteen th nineteen ninety four and passed away within twenty minutes of my birth, my family likes to joke that some of her psychic spirit lives on in me. I don't know about that, because I have yet to win a fucking thing in my life, but this sentiment is very nice to think about

stadium, but also just tell me what the fucking T leave say: LISA I was having her name would be, may it's funny that she was born in May and then may died and may yeah. That's right. That's crazy. Isn't that good? I love the. I think, there's lots of more stories like this of people who are psychic and they just don't tell other people, you don't want to be bothered and they don't want to be burdened with that information, but they have it and then I feel like everyone's waiting for you to be wrong too, like people want to prove you wrong once you once you say that you're psychic, you know right, yeah, for sure right, good, batch, goodbye know there was a chunk of stories, for everybody gets a good characters and on sit there were Cindy and Robbie no matter what age you are send us your stories, no matter what age you are, there's no age limit to ride this wave pool that's right of home towns,

you're tall enough get on this ride. Do you have other like horror stories from what they call action park? Not action park, but like amusement parks and stuff any amusement park sure tell us the Amusement Park story. I know someone when I was little I found out they got killed on. A mountain at Disneyland and I refuse to ride it until it's like a teenager, it's terrible, my god! Yeah! Are they one of the people that stood up on space mountain you think the bar just wasn't down all the way and they fucking flew out it's pitch black in there it's terrifying, it's horrible! You feel like you're, going faster than you are. It's terrifying, burst into tears. As I said that my throne, weird and then I'm like. I don't like that right. I don't like that. Ride. Alright, well, yeah, right to us and- and you know, be cool- stands a sexy and don't get murdered goodbye Elvis you want cookie.