One before we start this week, show just so you don't think that Anna has suddenly affected a slug them sent. She is still away and in her step this week we have the absolutely fantastically funny brilliant, smart, amazing comedian. Sarah Pasco, now Oh I'm, Sarah has a book. That's just come out and paper back, it's called sex power money and that book has an accompanying podcast, which is also called set our money. which you can find in all your normal podcast providers. Both those things are absolutely brilliant. You should definitely check them out, but for now on with the podcast,

but I love and welcome to another episode of no such thing as a fish, a weekly podcast coming to you from four undisclosed locations in the UK. My name is dangerous. I am sitting here with Andrew Hunts, unmarried James Hearken and special guess. Sarah Pascoe, and once again we have gathered round the microphones with our poor, favorite from the last seven days and in no particular order. Here we go starting with you. Sarah hello. Everybody of my factor is for Dane years german police hunted a serial killer who didn't exists, amazing, amazing, but is also quite dark. It does involve things like mad as vital as a country

The warning- but I note your show sometimes just I call this lady bird border hat, so if any I think, your computer related school. I mean more like this lady, but looks like she bought a hat, but actually it s a very interesting evolutionary shout we have done so. I just wanted to say to people to a listing like if there are children, I'm not gonna go into any great detail about murders, but it does mention murders. So in two thousand and seven tube they officers were shot in Hell, Bron, so overseas, terrible at twenty two road female officer is killed and her male colleague was badly injured. Now they found the dna of the killer, app is seen and they run it through a database swear, oversee DNA has been stored from other crimes and they found multiple matches in two thousand and in one six.

one year old furniture dealer in framework, Germany had been murdered by strangulation and the dna of the color of the place was found in his apartment. As it is completely befuddle link for the police, This is completely different. Emma this is a manual strangulation of a furniture dealer and then this murder of the police, which seem to be completely different. The code I couldn't connect the reasons why you would come at those matters is becomes even more confusing when they found a match, to a very, very cold case from nineteen. Ninety three sixty two the old woman and again, a different murder ammo. They try to find links between those two victims, sixty one about music to tee well, but I work connected in any way at all, so they ve got a serial killer and it turns out from his dna the she's a woman she's an incredibly, were to have a female serial killer. She's been working for nearly twenty years.

work in the next six men employed as a serial killer effort for like two decades. They re going back to all of these codes. Cases go through the data and to stuff that's coming up on. Her is just so incredulous. So at the end of October, two thousand one in Britain High Germany, is a break in in a trailer no murders committed, because it's empty at the time- and DNA is found on a half eaten cookies on the side of his trying them, so they don't know what she Do they bought I have a name for this- the serial killer. This woman, they called had a phantom of Hell Broom, but if I was, if I were the german police at this point, in the case, I would have called had the cookie monster, the people, I think them they had no sense of humour about. It is because she killed a police officer. I think, if I think, if she had to NATO, had a lot more

son with the naming cereal saying she didn't exist. What's going on the quiet, At the moment she does exist very much sounded so play school. I the servants, justified did I do that, but one that service is complete incredible at this point. They now have a whole ream of police officers, who had just completely on catching how they also call for the woman without a face, because also so far, they have no witnesses of. Why wait a minute? How did she a cookie if she D face this is why she's so mysterious so said, The woman makes no sense, is killing she's. Well, being she snacking and there's no concern an embryo and by two thousand seven. She is now in another country she's in Austria, robbing an optometrists and am now because her crimes have gone.

to Austria, they actually have different rules in terms of what they can do with DNA, and so they find out that this woman is of very likely of eastern european descent. between two thousand and three two thousand seven, the phantom. Dna is found over twenty bird flu is or motorcycle fasts. Their got reward of three hundred thousand euros for her capture and over six. In thousand hours of overtime have already been paid for the police force and I've. All So I looked at some of the press from the time cuz. This is, two thousand and seven now this is quite a big deal because they found her dna on a syringe that was half full of heroin. So perhaps she was also an audacious did. That was that why her for spree was so unpredictable, such an old story is now. You start on. The cookies are learning just what is already hard stuff, maybe because you so I don't know how and gives you the munchies, but maybe that's why she was like I'm here

you emphasise Robin, but also it would love a biscuit. So this is fantastic magazine and to them and denying the phantom was not only a brutal killer suspected of committing six homicides, but also a common thief. She had been involved in a car dealership, every underscore breakin, but in both cases others convicted of those. I'm denied her existence. No one had ever seen. Her no security camera had ever captured her image, but when witnesses disco at they sometimes said she looked like a man This is what those so this is what those police are dealing with: rights that these criminals eastern european woman, who looks like a man. It is some incredible her job and The and everyone is so scared of her. That even people who they definitely no were in the same places her doing the same crime. so like none. There was no woman. What women are you talking about

It's like eyes associate. It's like this Mongol jumper boss that everyone problem things they working under. Exactly that, like is this woman, and it's starting to sounds to me like he doesn't exist where was thickly was the original fact. Parasites that exist, so the story ends in two thousand and nine they found a burned body of a May asylum seeker. They took his dear in an attempt to identify him and their results had a hit on the database. It was the phantom of Hell Broom. They found him but the dna is definitely female, so they ve got this man who's been killed, but then the DNA come after us, definitely definitely female dna. So obviously, I've written what the fuck was hang on was at its heart support over the police said in that task force that well what the hell is this, and that

when they realised that this must be contamination all of the places that has had shown up the the Phantom withheld Bronze DNA, the cotton swore so I used to take dna prices, they they all came from exactly the same factory in Bavaria, where they employed eastern european women and the reason that this had been allowed to happen is that those swabs was supposed to be for medical use not for forensic police use. So there was never an instruction to them that they couldn't like lick the swabs. I mean that not linking the medical swap so other now I don't think so. I think now, just maybe not having the same at, say things I'm so yeah. It was justice in credible dna mistake and there have been other dna mistakes. I believe things because he's like everyone, trust them. They so much delay this. Basically, if DNA says it's right that it

spirit and all of the other evidence pointing to it being wrong must be wrong. The people who really scared of DNA so that exact reason that so we ve had cases in the UK as a case, I think his name's Adam Scott, which goes much further. but he was sent to prison for four and a half months for a crime and man. Yes, that was really brutal crime on a woman and him, and he said that he was in Plymouth Portsmouth. It was but those places down softly said he said I was definitely there. So he had an absolutely water, hi alibi, which they didn't check as they his dna on the victim and then After four and a half months of being in prison and oversee he was, he was actually a pay to follow rapists wing of a presence or he's also have in like a terrible time, it then turned out that his crime today what he does? He spat in the street and had taken his saliva and then that in the lab that confused the sample one from a brutal vinyl over one from spitting.

And here comes a prison than eighty five months now, I'm not saying that that's an appropriate sanctions fibre Please go away, go presently spitting industry, but it is not far off yeah. I do spitting out if I could, but also, I think, a lot of premiership football is going to suddenly being the commotion do we know who this bavarian woman is in wishing informed of all her sister. she found some of helper who did so that they tracker down. I actually could get to the bottom of it. I'm sure she would he made of it one idea that will thus be a data protection issues about overlong, although if I was a serial killer and I wanted to commit crimes across multiple jurisdictions across multiple, yes, I would definitely get a job in a factory that pact swaps, and then I would just the golden swabs to where they baby. That's a lot of work, and I don't like Grimes. Ninety, that's just second novel right. There was a murder called the time

trouble. Murder is in the nineties on what happened was they found the body and they took the and I from it and they matched debt with someone who had died? A few go and they were like how enough good that happen, you know, how can you have someone who who died and then commit, the matter and what it was. Is they ve been using the same Nell clippers to cut the finger nails to test I M from now on. They always use disposable, fingernail clippers, when for that taken any fingernail stuff and they always put the clippers in with the clippings. So whenever you the dna. You always have the item, which found the dna in the first place. I found a case here as well as this is it this is America, California. So a man called me because Anderson was considered as them? suspect in the murder of a Silicon Valley millionaire. But what happened was the paramedics had to it's him earlier in the day. So we haven't died, but that than accidentally transferred his day

in Asia, the crime scene when they attended with the victim later on. They must have thought that such a coincidence as well God tat so with that that bloke we were treating earlier today turns out to have been here bring someone. I don't know if it's the same on, but there was one that was like that, where the guy was being treated because basically he was blind drunk and they took him into the hospital and obviously all this kind of contamination happened, but then, when they arrested him afterwards, he was light. Well, I drunk. I might have killed someone I guess about, but you can like If I'm, if you shake hands with someone for two minutes and then the person that you shook hands with is such as a knife and yell at the end, I will be on that knife got. I don't have a great blog, but lady and it's the handshake murderer, how its Ireland, then you know it is, he's here. I believe that shake your head, the two minutes I bet diamond Brown- could do it. I found

dna related crime this year there was a good. This is a good result for the place, but it's not a human one. It's the police in South Wales does just been this year trial about a missing cow. I am so this coward missing, very expensive across three thousand pounds was worth that and the farmer who had owned pieces back to one of his neighbouring farmers, so they took blood samples this by the way. This all happened three years ago and has come to trial. Now I mentioned there was very lengthy, pre trial procedure, but they took blood samples. They compare them with samples from the complainants farm from the victims firm. proved that the cows were related. So its result, that's a good news story alone was united. I'm the guy got to scale back. Twenty twenty hasn't been that

have you ever heard of soulmate them out to give us more contacts so that I've been looking into lots of different ways that you can you can trust a criminal, and obviously it's from DNA through to looking it prince in so many different ways and soulmate is a really interesting things been set up, which is They also track the footprints, criminals as they're leaving in arriving. In often, you can see the prince of the soul of a shoe, but you don't know sadly, no immediately. What back shoe is so making data bases has over thirty one thousand individual footwear records quickly, helps you to, then, to vice of on the spot you can put in the shape you can put in a logo you can put in the crime scene print basically and matches it to an existing type of footwear, its remarkable how they can track down. If it's a new shoe they can find out, who bought shoes in the area and so on the another one for your novel, maybe as like someone takes some converse and cuts the sole off and then put some on the bottom of some thought. Martin since then,

that's really different size. Some more ideas for your novel Andy Well was tat. We re installing. So if you get a bone marrow transplant from someone than your dna will be the same as the person gave you the transplant guzzler fast, Why is amazing, and also you know, they kind of one use of DNA is the fine species in the wild right. You might take out of soil and then sequence, dna and you can see why animals have been there and stuff like that, all the best way of doing that is not by collecting samples, but by collecting stuff from Spain. Webs, because whenever an animal hits spider's web, they leave some dna and that web, and so I can take the web, so you can work out what animals live in a forest, for instance, so maybe you'll measure it kind of is running through a forest get caught in a massive spiders web, and I use that as a as a thing. I love that,

ok, so I have this while you're shaking hands with some of the two men right, you're, the killer, you used that their distracted by the handshake any use that time to reject them with some of your Mary right. They ve got your dna inside the, but you ve got their dna on your hands really can go commit. The crime is thy face off, but slightly, but if you're able to transfer the bone marrow as the murder is that all you need to do tribe, transfer the bone marrow and then drop them off outside a police station, and they would be busted as you for all the crimes are going for a second level. I think I haven't prevented the Crimea daggers. I need the dead Now. My muscles array yeah, I think the third level forgetting, is actually it should be a spider because they ve. Thank you shake hands of eight people saying and I can get lots of dna walk, hatching people in their webs and stating de I am also Know- was suspect them because their a spider and then tat. He has a fake converse, obey

What goes like EU positions thought it. What is gonna be easily the worse now? Ok, it's time for fact, number two, and that is Annie my factors that to run a Boeing, seven, four seven: you need a bind at full of floppy desks. Yes, I like the key, is the key, it is founded on a nosegay to tell it. Wouldn't that be nice.

but this is a fact that speeding revealed recently- or I mean- I think, a lot of people who work in samples Evans will have noted already, but Boeing samples, Evans and, in fact, lot of planes Boeing, seven, four, seven, seven, three servants- they were products of the late eighties and at that time the most effective way to store information was over the floppy disc and there was a reason they are cybersecurity, founded a walk through for over decommission seven for seven and someone spotted drive in there and said all that that's a sloppy described. That's very old fashioned. Now this isn't every Sevenfold seven. Some of them will have been updated by now, but it is still quite a few of them We have a very similar discovery a few years ago about trident yeah. Yes, the nukes rule was that suddenly american nuclear lobby

risks I think, can tell like Homey lush era, something right, the America months, yeah, it's amazing is tariff. Oh, it's gonna, thereby. because he was terrifying cause. I guess you know, as long as you have the equipment to read these things, does it even matter there are not exactly. I like the idea of the outfit and technology x. I like, I was really light, could pay the Microsoft paperclip and I

like the idea that he might be just like popping up. One thing is that that you're trying to lots of nuclear and so on they what do they use these? I read. I think that they have light the details of whether airports are and the flight paths things like yeah exactly and that there is a problem because these discs they they can store. I think a standard right through to have informed is concerned about one point: four megabytes on it. They will take, but the databases that they are loaded onto the planes are getting a bit bigger and sometimes you have to load up to eight desks in sequence and get all the information of them onto the plane. But there might be a bad desk anymore of leaded seven floppy desk leather stuff on then you find one of the desks is flawed corrupted in some way, then you need to start all over again. It be a bit disconcerting. If you got three seven that floppy discs and you had to start again, if I was a passenger- and I heard an announcement saying from the captain- apologies

it is gonna, be taking off late. The floppy discs response. Does anyone has lobbied? Ask number eight for the London Barcelona Route just to do you know the TIM Berners Lee used to go door to door with the internet on a floppy disk, no yeah in order in order, because the big problem, obviously when you and telling people about how the internet would work is that you would need to show them, but the reason he invented the world wide web is because computers weren't talking to each other if he'd sent them something that computer was running on different systems, would necessarily translated. So he had on a floppy disk in his computer, which he would carry round with him. He would go to different places and show them the first website. The original CERN website that heeded created an die if they lived on a floppy disc and as a project. What's going on at the moment where there's a guy, he works at CERN. He works a couple of offices down from Berners Lee worked and he's trying to preserve the earliest bit of the internet's where we had the first websites and so on, and the very

this website is missing, which is the one the TIM Berners Lee created. Well, that's very good. why the earliest one as we do their convinced it's out there somewhere. They think that there's a discount there and it was lost at some sort of conference in California, one Knights someone disappeared with this, and so it should be out there still there's a hunt going on. They ve asked the glare that's a job for the work experience that kid is actually just go through these five Billy addressed what are better than others website on it. If there are any pilots listening, can you just have a look around the continent there is? There is a spare disk discharge aw math. I would think that the work experience it wouldn't even know what a floppy this clause did. You see the survey and twenty eight seeing the last children under the age of eighteen, what each of these things, so they showed them like floppy, desk and Tele tax thought a postcard whenever and sixty seven percent of children didn't know what a floppy disk was now. I think there

I think it will be higher for things like the many disk which we have had so many deaths collection of the fund, the home and yeah. Well, you know my parents got really anti storing things on our many tests which didn't take off spoiler. Sorry, it's really. It is neither basically everything that we use. Now gonna become obsolete and it doesn't even matter what kind of things saving no one ever it's all in a hundred years time, no one will be able to read any of it. It's not like a book. You can everyone will always be able to read the book. Well, maybe not always, but for a long time they will be able to site they ve but with a new way of storing data, on like a little quartz thing and at last for thirteen point, eight billion years last forever, but of course support laments the in about twenty, as no one ever even know how to look like a bit of rock. yeah for fine really interesting, every really cold. Let the next

is that a stone is literally a little stone while could be like the next Rosetta stone they get out. You sb Stick and many disk lobby desk and they like. How do we get the data of this? One is a bit like the data about honesty, James just on what you're saying were the BBC and nineteen eighty six they made at what they call it Digital doomsday book. Okay, so I'm not sure if it was a copy of the real doomsday book or if it was an example of what civilised It was like a nineteen eighty six, but they made it a corn computer and he's a video desk player so for the storage device. Anyway, thirteen years later by ninety ninety nine, it was completely unreadable and a team of reserve has had to spend three he is developing the software to access. Eighty six, my yeah, it's a problem. It's cool, though there is a lot of floppy. This

the going on, which is quite fun. So, for example, Andy Warhol, a lot of art of Andy Warhol saved onto floppy disk that we don't have- and I think it originates with. There was a party that yoga no three visual Lenin when he was young, just after John Lennon had died and at the party was Warhol and one of the guests was Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs brought him. The original ample MAC Computer has a presence, and showing shown linen the paint function on its where he was drawing an anti war. Spotted that and went over and started doing his own drawing on it, and he was fascinated by it and that led to a whole thing of Andy Warhol doing original are purely on his his apple unpaid, or on another computer, etc? Unpack was hanged, Louth eyes and they say you saved them to floppy whenever publish them, and so people have been finding lost. Andy Warhol large on older, floppy disk set are kept in his archives, are going to hold of lobbies thought he might have the original internet mind

I'll go just one more thing of luck. It ask some words about Prince now these so called yet the artist prince the musician Prince Prince. Will they hunt about it? So you may remember and ninety ninety three he changed his name to assemble yeah. She called the love symbol of a combination of them. You know the main Female symbols, symbols with the airline atrocities and it had entered his consciousness during meditation, and so it is they who wanted to get it out there. But the thing is: nobody knew how to printed, and so his management Warner brothers. They did pull up alive as well, but they also sent out floppy desks. Dissembled various magazine saying this is what you have to call prince now. This is his name, and so

That was how they distributed the new name. Friends, that's really cool. I think it is also because he was very annoyed with his management. Yes, because he had a lot of little beef with them. He had five hundred songs that you wanted to release, and one brother said that might flood the market for prints songs just a little back. Could you not do that? I feel is furious about that and, as a result, the changes made to the I got one many things which is referencing back to our first fact, which is that there was an american serial killer. Who was they were on the hunt for him and they were reaching out to the sky, to communicate with them, and the guy asked out in Versailles knows whether or not he could communicate with them, not in person but via floppy disc, and they said yes to that. They did that by putting it in a newspaper by saying Rex. It will be ok as a message to him for this, The actual was another thing, as in

basically it'll be completely anonymous. If you set is forbidden exactly he was asking will thus be ok. Will I be able to be anonymous and they said yes anyway. They Hence in the lobby this they were able to trace it back to his church, and then they called him. Extraordinary how he was furious, like cancer that, because they use they found out that he used the poppy desk on a particular labour computer. Yes, I like this and they said his whose remember them. reality, as he was up inside of a church here, but they lights are based They lie to him. He said that there were. You can't trace computer like geographic information via For me, this Nay said: no, you can't, but they they can. I was really annoyed with them for setting about that when he murdered multiple people lying is also and the law Andy is yeah, you don't let the police to be also criminals contrast

anyone anymore, why they call floppy discs when they're, not floppy, I'm so glad you asked aims they shut and actually they should be called deficits in southern Africa called stiffest, yes, how they as before. The very a regional ones, while I think also, if you're on an airplane, you hear the cups insane as anyone see my steffy that that's Maria this ok it's time for a fact, number three, and that is James. Ok, my fat this week is that in the nineteen twenty? U S, election, which was the first after women, got the votes in America. Only one woman in the hole Georgia managed to cast about so this is the Nineteenth amendment was ratified in August, one thousand nine hundred and twenty and it granted women. The vote for the election took place on the second of November, so it's only a few months later, I'm most of the states.

facilitated. The new voters, like they came up with ways to make sure that people could register in time, but Mississippi in Georgia, especially, was so against the idea that was so massively against the idea of women voting that they try to make as difficult as possible for women's about and in Georgia they said you had to be. You had to have registered six months before the election in order to cast a vote, and obviously, six months before the election, they hadn't ratified the lawyer, but luckily those one lady called marriage era white who somehow, on April the first signed her name on a pole, tax and also register to boats at that time knows quite sure how she managed to do that time. Travelling vote it so strange because it seems like she should I've been allowed to do, but whoever was organized net allowed her and she was allowed vote in November and she did, but she voted for the losing candidate, but she still most about how I like it. I like

the idea that they would like or what harm she do. Silly idea will assign you never fails, have actually himself also April. First, not the best data sort of have what looks like a praying a woman revising. He asked if he believes all giving what she was doing in April fools and her husband came home. Like guess what I've got the vote at eleven days, they got you, but Georgia at the time fifty eight percent of the population of Georgia, where Baptists and the bats religion. Certainly that is still now, but certainly then it was very much against women being lots. Do anything they were subservient to the ban. The men organised the family

the women just if they had any influence they were supposed to influence their husbands and then their husbands with influence society charges. Constitution said the females are not entitled to the privilege of the elective franchise, nor can they hold any civil office of form any civil functions, and there was only one position in office that they are allowed to hold and it was states librarian. If library was the only job that I was allowed and I was so be subservient, why would do Scotland asked paying out of every single of not about liberate fuck you, although I gotta budget, go through all the way through and these second novel and not finally got there are, after all, males are the last page packing it right at the end, I was looking into or other example,

women voting early or some other early as women devote various places. This was a really weird thing. After the american Revolution for three decades in New Jersey, women and men had exactly the same voting rights and women were allowed to vote, not in national elections, but in New Jersey they could and dumb, and they did vote so that the people be lucky Throwed like for less than they found lots of women's names in some places is not fifty fifty, but it's up to about. Fifteen percent of voters were women there and it was. It was racially equal to is whether you back away, and then it was restricted in eighteen, o, seven to white man. It was seen as

some kind of oversight that had happened because the role these charges of fur the people said the word petticoat electors, which is women had been manipulated, see that I couldn't possibly know make an informed decision about video voting for so that was one supposed problem, but the system and the other problem was apparently men putting on dresses devote their voting six or seven times for the same person. I mean it. Could I think about that way, which I would have thought would make you more conspicuous as as a vote. It is not clear to me here about how I had come. There not petticoat manipulators yeah addressed as women. Surely that's also yeah down the approach that I am not saying that I approve of long term happened on. That's amazing that that was certain early sort of aberration that again not aberration,

and a bad set as an average positive aberration from you know, but actually before nineteen twenty there a few different states. women's about so Wyoming had full woman suffrage from eighteen, sixty nine. Why about the reason they did that? because they wanted to attract single women to the state, yeah, they had a lot of kind of migrant male workers who were working in Wyoming and they thought well. How come get more women here. Will, let's let them, but they should have done what Knight Club student s on a five day, which is make it free who free hoots it is in groups. They don't have a man with them. What is what is huge, you're young? What urges that knows, not young. What is push nurses and say you remember: outcome pops at yeah, yeah, yeah, so hates was kind of one

the original mass marketing it was. It was a lemon flavour drink. So, like I guess the end, it was marked towards women. Why? I like teachers? Well, ok, whereas when ass they marketed towards I absolutely don't mean that it was supposed to be an affectionate drink, but it was like a if women, don't let the taste of beer you ve got is now sweet drink. You can drink verbosity, the night club. Actually, I quite light watermelon Bacardi breezes as well, so maybe I was cool. She takes a heart, the others state which had full woman suffrage at the time. Was you the reason they did. It is because they wanted to show the rest of the country that

the women were not oppressed by the practice of polygamy and now the luck they compounds like him. I read about this and they also didn't. They hope that women would vote for the the Non church leaders, so they would perhaps this this was a way of ending. The practice of polygamy was to allow women to her, and then I would vote against a fortunate. They can't voting for it and their peoples. Their arrival has taken a vote. I haven't motorists, like fired, but that was a thing wasn't a day. They sort of worried that once women were given, the vote that it was a sort of useless vote anyway, because of the nature of the relationship between husbands being this dominant character in the relationship, they would only vote for what the husband told them to vote for anyway. It was a sort of it was cancelled out vote in terms of if they go the other way, which is the interesting cause has been recent polls that show that had it not been for the voting of

in in recent elections in America, between nineteen sixty, eight and two thousand, and four Republicans would have swept every single presidential race in that period when they broke down and looked at it. Yes, so interesting, but also that's what's important. That voting is secret because then, of course, even if did have somebody oppressive in your household. You can always say: oh yeah, I voted for exactly who you told me to, but you still have your autonomy in your freedom to cast a vote. Very yes, all of you believe all of your wives are telling you to vote one way you ve got to have the freedom to say It's my lovely! I do that women in Utah the like. Why would we get rid of polygamy? I don't want a husband or two months

not that spreads- do now, because we now have to see once every eight days when the ninety four amendment was passed. The presidents of the time was Woodrow Wilson, but Woodrow Wilson had had a stroke in October of nineteen nineteen, and actually his wife was the de facto president of Amerika on that time, so the doctors came in kind of secretly and didn't really want anyone to know that he was really sick. they said he subway obvious. We would draw Wilson can't really do anything, but what we're gonna say is maybe Edith Wilson can kind of run everything on the sidelines and he can kind of just be there and not do any press and stuff like that, so technically, on not technically bought de facto Lee. The presence of the United States when the Nineteenth amendment was past was Edith Wilson, female,

It was suspicious was suspicious well. On the other hand, she was very much anti suffragettes, I think, possibly because she had to be because you know, obviously they were fighting against the press then at the time, but she called suffrages of devils of the workhouse. So yeah, that's right, Psychology? Are you? That's that's how you get yourself into a powerful position now. The last thing I cannot it have you guys herds of the suffragists cookbooks there were published in the USA This is very weird, so don't associate the suffragists movement with another. The homey connects thing in and publishing cut works, but this is exactly why they were published so that the kind of stock impression all that was given by opponents of suffrage. I move was that you know these women were neglected their families

they were letting their chosen go hungry the wording after the home so that the movement got together and published lots of good works with kind of suffragette recipes and though, quite though quite got one of them was for emergency salad, which is one part onion to nine parts apple with any dress. That's the summit that is its amass. It's not so these books about that of one of the one of the women in side. There was Alice Bunker Stockholm, who was the only the faith of female doctor in the USA, and she was openly pro masturbation for men and women alike, which was I was hoping that this part of the recipe add the you did say Ebby

I dont know if, if what if one of my criticisms of the suffragists was that these women are neglecting their domestic duties, I don't think the apple salary would convey otherwise our values, but I think that would be my praise of light. Look at these noisy it is all in a dinner, is an onion and- and poor you kidding me, I won't Lazard. I didn't realize what an influence the british Suffragettes had on the american ones right a few articles about this, and it's so, for example, Emmeline Pang cursed did tours of America talking to huge groups, about the the fight for women's rights and she played medicines? where garden? Why You performers here like what a gig Madison Square order during that was already. Let us

can America exactly she didn't fill. She had three thousand people there, but I mean that's. That's as big, as you know, the third give us from fish. I replied that saw you compare as those things are commanded the suffrage movement. Can I just say also that we we play three thousand three hundred at the Hammersmith Apollos or actually that that is what is the capacity of Madison Square Garden? It's it's over thirty thousand, I think ok, so actually she did, she did really bad. General yeah. Maybe she said Firstly distanced spanish flu. The careful sorry it's nineteen thousand, eight hundred and ten are just just

lesson the bombing of the sales for her now? But that is the isn't there? That's the depressing thing when you get the email every Sunday with you, I think you and she sending out those are tweets that painted tickets. We bring. It happened. One confined to have that british feminism they'll be a free emergency. Solid Ok, it's time for a final factor. The show- and that is my thanked. My fact this week is that there is a species of japanese water beetle, survives being swallowed by a frog by crawling through the frogs body and escaping out of its anus, now, while this is an amazing. Its first documented example of prey doing this through a predator escaping via the digestive system, has to literally cruel all the way through the digestive system and make its way out the back and

it some it's a thing that was discovered at Kobe University, where a frog was put into enclosure see three box, and this would be too was in there. What beetle, swallowed, and there was nothing four hundred and fifty minutes and then suddenly you see and those videos online you can watch crawling out of the bomb hole of this fraud is full water beetle. That's covered a bit and fees If you can't really say that, but I tell you it is, and it just wonders off and we ve never seen before. So I'm just an extra bit worried that you sell that so well that you could go online. A watch, a video of a beetle crawling out of a progress even is covered in faces that probably no one's list they now they probably all guys watcher. That's true, I guess we're welcome back to the show either now amazing, sir, so this is. This is a guy by the way who experiments a law on the defence mechanisms, the defence mechanisms that he says there is one of the possible defence mechanisms that you could not predict and he's found.

Number of things that are really interesting. A bombardier beetles being swallowed by frog, will eventually be vomited, backup, as an explosion of chemicals inside. He is responsible for us documenting all that stuff in this is his latest discovery. We should say this: Guy's Amy School Chin. gee severe and has an ecologist, a cab university and he's got loads of form on this as these aid. That is unbelievable, and so he wanted to test properly because the frog doesnt have teeth when it is the battle. So that's partly by the middle survives. I say is a really big part of the region are yeah yeah, they haven't. I because I feel like other animals who can't escape from bomb holes or from mouths, but it is because they ve been chewed up by the past, other animals signal just not because they have evolved to be clever enough. No, no you're! Right! It's yeah! It's a major part of the success strategy

show you written by someone which has no teeth, but he wanted to test how they do it, and so he took some of the Beatles that he was gonna, be testing on any glued their legs together with sticky wax. So basically he turned them into Harry Houdini beetles, and then he let them be swallowed by the throat and those ones were immobilized as it were, and those ones did not manage to make the well. So his hypothesis at the moment is that what they were doing with when their legs of free and that's what I'd is that that using their like not only to propel themselves through, but hammer on the spectre of the frog aliens and convincing I expelled by ready as tickle the clerical opening graph and hammering minors. I may have sex that little bit, I'm sorry for it! I'm sorry! Don't hang. Are you saying that it is hovering over tickling is more successful, it depends height, it depends hey. You want some kind of

anthropomorphized the beetle. Is it terrifies going, get me out of fear, or is it going to do this? Is I really don't know is hypothesis? like I wonder if things a heart, if your time- yes it turns out, is actually more. I got two days of aims. It's interesting, though, because the taking at the end almost suggested, that's a bit of information that past onto the Beatles that once you get to the end, the way to open the magic gate is there's a little tickly thing and you ve gotta Tiggle that that sounds to me more like that's it. You have to have inherent knowledge, whereas the hammer run coming as the technical words like anus

of the magic gaze. We tell you this every we haven't been down. What you just said sounded like what is to happen, and I just have been seen and more magaziner- that I could feel what your guy to speed up there's a magic bought, an ethical. The magic gate has very differing overtime. Primarily. The aim of this is a terrible children's, but the other hammering sounds more like the right hypothesis, I would say it sort of justice. I met the end, I'm trying to keep going it's like when you know when you running at two seconds at the crystal maize, Gimme the environment, but also presumably if you ve been struggling, all the way down through the folks body anyway, like you, still be moving there. It's just that cause because human beings have whose sphincters don't where we have a kind of one that we have no conscious country Amanda we do have conscious, control over and and so

oversee this movement in a part of your body, but where it's kind of automatic he would just then feel the need to go to the toilet yet awake. I know how you can have emergencies, because it that the non caught that, if the pot for your sake, you dont have conscious control I've all black right. I'm ready to go and in the country puckers alma goes into. This is an emergency situation, and what's why did we sense is that why did we evolved to have a dumb sphincter and a smart sphincter? I think maybe its safety thing is in it. Might there might be scenarios is more dangerous. Mingled with I was not yourself yeah, your mind it stay, very quiet and avoid a predecessor, and then I was just makes sense, because actually it's a fantastic weapon to have to hand yeah if you are in danger, was just randomly poet with no net they are threatening to destroy the lawyer. What about the other bad monk

so just very quickly on the rest of this study. So that really interesting, bigger we do know of other animals that pass through the digestive system of another animal right. There are few of those, but what really interesting about. This is the fact that we we think that their actually actively crawling through there, and the reason that we know that is because, like you say they he celebrates his legs together or whatever glued the legs together, but also that they are books can get out with as little time as like six that's where I normally would take a couple of days for a frog to digest speed, but they can get out of that relating to the minutes. Six minutes is the real. That is the real crystallized thing is, as you can imagine, eating a male, completely unaware and then feeling terrible.

rising that you may the still alive, and it's it's gotta destination in mind that there is a beetle called the coffee bury bar at that lives exclusively on coffee beans, but it a cuffing, so only its coffee, but it doesn't like coughing and the only way they can do is they have a special bacteria inside them that kind of deals with the caffeine and if you take all the by terror outfit out of this beetle by giving antibiotics or whenever it I'll die because Come can't deal with a coffee so only like saudi glances, unlawful and if you, if you blew their hands together, make they can't even pick very well have been the best medical science experiment you're right, I mean how you gonna learn things, but at the same time, for the individual coffee bearing aura. Why don't we? Dude appreciate life's mystery,

as head of the epidermis beetle. If I'd I'd find thing, I don't think I mentioned this before again frogs prey on it from bites it, but at the moment whether fro bites it, this beetle lover sinks its teeth into the frogs tongue right and then it starts releasing enzymes in which melt the frogs flesh is. I got this goes on for a few days, unfortunately, for the frog and the frog, stuck with what I thought was his lunch and it slowly being eaten by its logic. Basically,

it gets turned into a stroll through which to be. The lover is shrinking and eventually the progress that the pot of skin and bone is dead, and the lover wonders off so the scientists to attesting this. They observed four hundred standoffs between these two. The beetle always wins. Oh, my God, there was one case. There was one case where a toad manage to grab the beetle and quickly swallow it, and then it started looking bet picky two hours later it threw up, and then the beetle, eight, the oh, my God and Andy. Can you let me know is anyway I can watch this on you frank fatigues does there's another beetle, the male diving beetle. It has sperm, which a team up with each other, so this is very rare. Obviously, nobly sperm is a kind of them. What are those games? It sort of one versus everybody? Unilever, some

yeah, I know it's a bulldog theoretical duck. I'd like british bulldog. Sorry, sir, come over the programme because of sailors. It's like british Bob did so, but that this is the really weird thing. The male diving beetle vesper effectively do a conqueror and they team up hundreds of them. and even thousands of them, and they all go in line. Obeys, has got a crocodile logo impasse and its because the female, diving, beetles reproductive track is unbelievably complicated and the FEMA wealth install sperm for four months or years to fertilize hats of later, and I M the males kind of former trade trying to just three to the area, they need to be defined as the egg, because otherwise they will just be lost. What's in it for the other sperms sperms at the back of the Congo diving, I guess it by at the eight will probably improve all of their chances of seeing their even learn on investment from a spouse, and you all have

sent very similar genetic material. Don't you so you're still passing their schoolboy, but what he has. As you say, what is the point of being at the back of a conga? What's the point of being in the Congo sometimes it split softened you become the feminine, that's very stressful. I wonder firms nodded the back, though you can't let go at the back. That's just the person walking you're still kicking legs out, they'll come even if it is too I've never heard that happened to me doing conger, but I would be terrified that it was. I will cling on today. life to avoid the responsibility of becoming a bookcase on times at the Congress. Sometimes light flips around in a way you're not expecting, and no one has a good enough grip to hold onto the person, and it goes

It goes into a place. You don't wanna, go look! It's! They start going refunds. You go into the toilets. It's like its waiting. I don't wanna go! Look at me. I am, I think, if they have liked very complicated labyrinthine vaginas, that probably that is exactly what we are saying about there be Congo and split software, very, went and also get and becoming becoming very tired. The energy exerted means that some of them will get tired at the front, and I think you do yeah. It still give you a good charges that also happens in Congo. Sometimes you get like a wave of speed. Don't you like some of the people at the front go too fast and then some of the slow people hold on, and then they become the front of Congo as very, I think that by

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