I'm over Winfrey welcome to supersede conversations the pod cast. I believe that one of the most valuable gives you can give yourself is time taking time to be more fully present. Your journey to become more inspired and connected to the deeper world around us starts right now from the famed APOLLO Theatre in New York City, so much talent on one stage, three trailblazers and gain changers who are shaking things up in a big way, hosted the late go and New York Times best selling author Stephen Oh they're, the Pulitzer Prize. Is Grammy and Tony winning genius behind Hamilton, Linda, well Miranda, starved blackish and its spin off groaning she's Harvard Bow.

And a remarkable young woman to watch your ass Hedy first up, Stephen call them thanks for saying, as I did not think would say. Yes hope that I can say no, yes, I thought you didn't say no to all our side it, and it's been six years since you got you. I've set down for an interview that you're conducted yeah. I miss it. Yes, I came down to your home and did that. But this is interesting thing. When you're doing a daily show the I understand that it's kind of hard to take break in the middle of the day. You only leave to have lunch. You know that, don't you know only their desk at all why do you say yes

No, what you want to ask me, because I'm tired of me, but if you re evaluation, is able better about myself, I'm very interested in you, and I we had a great conversation once before, but I just wanted to say that I think better than ever. I thinks this is why we just people really good time to do the daily show you gotta care about it. You know do the grinding humans it absolutely we gotta care about what you're talking about and we're living in com the financial times and the opposite of like it getting you down, it actually, fires you up, You wanna talk about it, you want to get it out. You want to have a sense of community with the audience. That's what we want more

Anything else is like we wanna tell jokes and thereby build a community of people who can all share their feelings with each other. I get to sail the words, but we're sharing our feelings with each other as they're laughing back. You know, cause you to want to be alone is alone Lee time. This feels like a lonely time right now. You and your usually the last voice. We here before we go off to and so do you feel like makes me sound like a daily you should feel? Does that come with a responsibility or you're? Not thinking about responsibility? Our responsibility is to make jokes on whatever the converse today was like we try not to breaking news for the audience, we want to keep aware. What the national conversation is today and then give our our opinion about echoes, jokes, pensioners, if you're breaking news. This is interesting. If you making news? And I'm just hearing the news from you right I'm gonna have the reaction of somebody who's, just hearing the news it hard if you

breaking the news to make that break funny right right? The news is: ok, there's not a lot of fun news these days. Now you want the audience what we Kennedy was one b. In addition, a catalyst to what they ve been thinking, people come to the show at the very end of the day they ve been thinking about something happened. They and we go. I ve been thinking about it. Do here's what we think so? Do you think thing you foundress strive after that when he sixteen election, do you think he found it? I think without it internally the thing about it one of these shows that it's hard to explain is I love doing over the audience in, alas, fifty one of my joy is what you see. Yes, forty nine None of the joy is: what does it take to get there? That's the point I love process. You know I love seeing how things put together? That's my love, I love cooking shows of chopped like, no three recording radiance? You don't get to see to these start talking at the end of the animal meal? That's what every day is like on a night.

How many show these are the three stories those you're through, green is even find out. He you walked in the morning, and you have to make a meal for the audience that now you have to curate it. You know you have to give to you cook this thing up for them, and that requires a very tight process. Every needs new. How do their job stay in there happen for us, so that we were ready for Donald Trump to happen, because if we hadn't done that work, you know we had done all those live shows if we hadn't You know we have done all those live shows if we hadn't seen how fast we could cook then we would have been ready for a president who changes the news. Every fifteen minutes yeah, that's not a dozen exaggeration. He changes the news every fifteen minutes. Aren't you amazed at how the country has become kind of obsessed about it, though I'm amazed, The speed I'm not amazed with the obsession because he wants detention. Attention knows how to

but it is a very good showman and everything he does is of consequence. He is the most important matter so we should be amazed, yeah and saw your the number one way Niger? Yes on television, the same when your number one, as when your number two dope These no deal now feels a little better. So you are a practising Catholic YAP and how this faith sustain these one, not many Catherine

there tonight. There are they're, not willing to admit it out of my faith, sustain media. Well, my mother used to say that in hardships in your life, look at this moment in the light of eternity? You know start to see this, how God might see it if its good or bad any hardship for victory with humility, with acceptance and with love semi. You can't love something until you can accept it. Is correct. That is so people a lot of people are calling this the age of fear. How do you count that I know your favorite Bible verse is Matthew. The don't worry it is, as I say, you do not worry, for who, among you, buy worrying, can change a single heron, his head or at a single Cuba to the span of his life. You know it goes on from there and you know sufficient on father used to say sufficient under the day is the evil thereof. Tomorrow worry about itself,

I was a young man- actually walking down the street in Chicago- was very, very cold days common in Chicago and though Gideon giving bibles their honey are the new testament, proverbs and songs, and with so called that I had like crack it over, my knee cause it kind of frozen the humidity of frozen in place, and I opened it to that passage and it changed my life because I had lost my faith. My opened into the passage in and Matthew, and I was so racked with anxiety and was the first time I had read the Bible or anything that I understood the phrase it spoke to me because I wasn't reading it. It just spoke off the page and the words of Christ or that for me the words of Christ speak often. There's no effort for me to read them, and they re just like he's talking directly to us now. Well, so we wouldn't harrowing challenge yeah. Just to love your neighbour as yourself of your item. That's the one that allow my enemies

they so the beginning of this event, superstar conversations I was say to the islands. First of all, prize. I was a nude said yes in that year we wish them until the day and that we're going to have this? You know uplifting these cultural conversations and not to worry so in the past the sea of your own heart. If you would open up a, let share with us are you more afraid, this country right now or more hopeful for this country right now, I'm always hopeful for this country. Because our times Ruby our country is our country is remains. The last best hope of Mankind- and it is already great- It is a great country. This was a great country in the heart of the depression yeah. This is a great

three, when we were torn apart by this of war, it was a great country as we are, basic law and civil rights. Civil war and civil rights were based on an idea that we imperfectly a hair, going idea D, a harrowing challenge that we imperfectly embody at all times, which that all men are created equal and then they have equal access to justice and to prosperity. And as long as that idea does not disappear as long as our constitution is not changed from that. That idea and, of course, the non constitutional inspirational docking, let the declaration of independence laws we always keep that there will be good, presents no be bad presidents, though we good Congresses, presently good to sharing badge dish, but if we can, We agree on that thing that America will always be the last best Hope Bank on wild. Every bit of darkness is only for now the light always wins

so I want to know what your most hopeful for I went over. What would give me hope, and what is to a certain extent does give me hope, is that love is not a bad word. But we can say love or I love you or love is the every. Only God like to say that love is the most important thing. You mean it without embarrassment. Six months before my show started Spike Jones, the director in pretty good act or two he came by he just didn't any help start your show, and I like, I was sure, less talks This came by any interviewed me six months before my show on the air about what I wanted to show to be, and after turn on the air for a while. Now she sends me this past year. He sent those notes back to me. Cuz. I want to remind you what your intention was and the end part of one of the things he said that he sort of circle to point it out, and it was I dont know how to do nightly. Comedy showed its also about love, but I'd like it in some way to be about love and so many different ways to express that. I suppose

That's what you say. That's what I said to him in the interview which he showed back to me as a reminder, and I look at the show that we're doing right now. I hope that I think it's interesting that you set an intention. Yes and then a new start and you don't know how to find it in that that gives you all kinds of ways is helpful, not the way help you find the way right, because anything is possible and its it's gonna be painful to make a transition or change like that. You know that still get up at the bottom of the hoped for love, the hope for love, and I think now we found that I love my country. I love science. I love facts. I love people were some of the race or their gender identity, and the challenge now is to love the people who don't seem to have that value in their heart, released how its politically expressed. I don't know, what's in their heart, how its political expressed even the people, I disagree, swift. If I sat down had a conversation with them, we might leave the com patient hand in hand. Yes,

that's the towns last challenges to love the people. You disagree with the mouth with the most right, but that's the Heroin challenge to cry sets forth to love the people, where was most because a lot of people. We agree with anybody. Can do that's right. Anybody can do. That means you have to find a path to love, Donald Trump yeah. That's true I didn't say I was a good Catholic. So thank you for doing a show about love every night. Thank you all like you, we're doing a show about love. Every night, thank you all very welcome Lynn.

And well Miranda, and if so, how did you get That's a motorway go did you know, I just got from having a new human head on my maybe the baby's anything just came a week ago we we do not yeah, I'm not leaving the house were two months at an opera calls. The only thing I'm leaving I ll show you said yes, yes, yes thank you. What's it like with two it's well, we had a day of rest science and my other son came home and using all love him, and it was like peaceful for a day in my old Matthews three lessons three and then she got the stomach bog. I have been my wife and that beautiful child have been with her parents all week is start and I have been in the diary upside down

for a week with the stomach bog and I'm fine, but I've just been nursing, yellow and shows that this is what it is like you kind of sunshine, after tag team and that's what I ve learned to Father Ecosystem and so has its disrupted. The household absolutely like We live in itself, Sebastian about this baby. Coming so I would ask them and it's his baby right. That's been the whole thing, it s my baby and then for a while. He was good bring some and that was amazing hears it will I have to and my stomach not to be outdone by it wonderful, it's very surreal too, I'll. Put it this way. There's one song and Hamilton. That's like truly autobiographical. There's no historical precedent for It was just a song that came out while I was writing there's a moment where Eliza is singing to Hamiltons. That would be enough and does nothing textbook for them.

Comment. I didn't do any research for that. It's just a moment where Eliza is telling her Ten, as long as you come home at the end of the day, that will be enough. If my child is gonna have a bit of that mind. My wife is going to kill me for telling the story. Could she doesn't this just like. How does it comes up in this story? They played it from my wife and I too, streaming now. My cheeks and she goes that way. You wish, I would say to you and I would know that's why you blow song. You. You can't think that by that's the thing that just as you have this new person, that, with any luck, is gonna get some of the attributes of the love of life. So when you actually started Hamilton, you weren't trying to create social musical phenomenon that risk to bring us a better understand of history and ourselves, although you know I was trying new that he he sang

knew that it was a really compelling idea from musical, and I look at the muse I love and there is different kinds right in the heights when I was writing in the heights and when cure came on board. We realise this This was about a community change I started as sort of just my college muse but then we realise that this is about neighbourhood changing, and so we looked at other musicals about community he's changing. We looked at fiddler on the roof. We looked cabaret, which is about germs, changing fast. We looked at those musical, about a community with Hamilton. It's about Hamilton and his foot, The personality is so strong that every other characters just trying to make sense of it either falling in love with them or they want to kill him Berlin arm. So I watched Sweeney Todd I watch gypsy and I watch those amuses where it's like name above the title. Comes Mama rose, that's Hamilton. You know it's psyche

is force of nature in this world winds, and so those were sort of the things I look too, so I just knew that he was very propulsive in the end of every event filled and then I found most, drowning in research it had been too there is I'd only written to songs and when the opening them. It took me a year to write my shot, because if I'm gonna back up my claim that Hamilton is the most hip hop guy, ever live yes to announce himself with the best lyrics I've ever written in my life. So every couplet took me about a week. You know you know you would right at the end of the line now go at that. I can make this one like six more times in here and it had to be as dense as my favorite wrappers. It had to be as densest Jesse and by dense I mean like don't rhyme at the end, the line, one, seven syllable, Lyman Impasse patiently waiting compassionately, smashing every expectation, every actions and add the creation,

what I'm doing that it? To think of that how do you define the times or describe for yourself that I'm said we're living in now, because you were just talking about as an artist and I just This is as a human being to cuz. We are all artists of our own lives. The most important qualities, empathy and we don't live in a time where it feels like people are being empathetic towards one another. Absolute and I think well, I think several things one, I think we're living in I'm the north more clarity. That is what I felt the day after the election. I was like ok we'll here the things we can't go backwards on, because we ve made them strides towards eligibility, Q rights, we made immense strides as a country that has taken a long time. We can't go backwards, and so I think we felt like. Oh, I have these internal battle lines that are being drawn, and these are the things that we're gonna fight. For I don't

are you guys. I open twitter like this now like grimacing, like what happened in the night. What am I about to read? I am so you know terrified, because it's just it was, and I think, because a social media it I'll just feels like it's happening even faster. Everything just is just collectors. Twenty things that day opening internationally nationally locally, and I think the thing that I chose myself to do all the time and I sail all, but time is our, what can I focus on? won't. Let me go unless I do something about it, because you can drown in how much How many people need help all over the world and you have to pick out what can I be effective at and what can I do this of Hamilton has offered me a really big megaphone. That's it I'm not one

public office, I'm not doing anything. I didn't there's so much. You can do so so much, I would argue that over as a more powerful position than president- He's your platform. Your platform How you must see fit and what is the most authentic for you right? How is Porter Rico now, porter ego is still a third without power, forty percent, without power. How many months later my parents, Hometown does not have power. They ve been running on generators waiting and for gas for four months. Gas situation is he's the money situation has eased cause for a while. Eighty aims are putting a cap on how much it could even take out and their places that are harder hit and are still as if the hurricane happened. Yet

and there are places metropolitan areas where its business, and so when you Gay Hamilton their January twenty lighting, and what That's gonna be like for you doing it there. Well here's the thing with the people of our region. Been through so much at its possible to talk about this without crying sums going to cry. While I tat I had I knew I was taking Hamilton supporter Rico. The second we got our near time is review, and I knew this thing was gonna run and have a tour, and Second, I did my first. This language interview. The first question was: what are you going to put the request that I don't know, but I promise We Hamilton when it happens. So? We have been planning for about six months but working Raven hit and so on. You did was expedite the announcement, but I did in the height they're in the heights was the first equity tour ever go to Puerto Rico.

And- and I then I jumped into a tour in progress to play who snobby for a week, and it I told you- closed? Something in me, I didn't even know was open. You know to be a kid who spanish sounds pretty gringo supporter Regan's spent. A month a year there and feeling a little. Place there, a little out of place at home a little out of place at school. One, that's a great way to make a writer be a little out of place everywhere and to use a user louder than your your kind of always watching. To quote some time. There's a part of me always sort of watching our interaction. Dns it's happening and I played a snarling there, We did the show, as I wrote it, for New York and the love that came would have their end. I did them telling us that ok, Show- is about our families who left dispatch. It's a dispatch from the people who left

it's them telling us that ok It was always the most creatively and and emotionally fulfilling week of my life. So I know I was going to bring Hamilton back and I knew I was going to play Hamilton because I just wanted to feel that again, yeah and so with the fact that it is coming at a time, can be of great use. Our goal is to basically have a third of the tickets B. Ten bucks and affordable to put her on the island and then really wildly overpriced the other tickets. For tourists, so that that You can restore arts funding in, went to and then I got to do it to do weeks ago, to dupe its way meets again. Do you know You did your tony acceptance speech. You wrote a sonnet about Hamilton, said the show is proof

history remembers we live. The times when hate and fear seem stronger. We rise and fall and light from dying, embers remembrances, that hope and love last longer afterwards it is and it it was a prayer they came out. It was a prayer that came out of a really tough day. I spent that morning like really norm. You know six, a M rehearsal, radio city. We have a wreck, setting number of nominations, rehearsed our numbers and then I get home. And read about the worst shooting in our nations. History was the pulse, shooting morning and I would have nothing more than to just write a very sweet, sound it about my wife and all of my collaborators that night by it, this is training for anything. What you're doing when you're writing is you're, trying to meet the moment you're trying to be that character and meet the moment.

And that was a time when we were all in morning. We were all grieving and yet It was also a night for celebrating years and years of hard work, and so I was like I can't freestyle rack to this moment. I will not be able. Meet the moment that way it demands something else and soil. In writing this So it's speaking to both Hamilton and this notion that we're going to go through trying times and waiting to go through challenge Lord knows we're going for challenges, but we're if we're survive by the people who love us ends and remember us than we do. Go on forever. I love you. No, I welcome your russia here.

It's so much, sure to be you at this moment. I think, do I feel you are being heralded rightfully. So, as this great spokeswoman, person humanitarian for, generation and. I just ran across recently an old speech. Had done when I was about your age about sixteen or seventeen as entitle what young people want today and I was show you something crazy, like the generation gap between parents, but what I will when I was looking at that. I really do you know where young people want today and it's really hard when everybody expects you to do. You feel that, first and foremost, to be here. Thank you that Ankara say nice, but of course, but quite honestly, I have to say I haven't had to feel too much pressure because I've been so fortunate to have support

Not only from my family but from the world around me from being authentically myself and so had the great fortune of not having to perpetuate a facade for the sake of love or support, Every little thing you say sounds like a terrible moment. What do I do recognise how incredible that is that you get to be a true. I say this to my daughters from South Africa. They literally are the born free generation born after Nelson Mandela was elected president, but to be born free, not just physically free, but in heart and spirit where you get to be because I might my definition of freedom is that you get to wake up in the morning and decide for yourself what to do with the day to be born three in your heart

your spirit, to never have to pretend to be anybody else other than yourself and is surreal to even think about- and I do have to say I mean just being able to benefit from the work of previous generations- is something that I do not take for granted. What I think so long, not just Georgia, because you generations Z, HU, the wise, but a lot of people London with millennials, but you clearly are not your generation z. Jeanne other millennials, I think, have been labelled. I think many times fairly. As being the sort of me me me me me generation when, in fact I think that this generation is probably more worked then a lot of previous generations have been

and are certainly aware of what they need to do to step into the moment. Quite honestly, I think it is a matter of access. Thou, millennials, Injuns Eve had again the great fortune of an incredible amount of access, if such a young age, whether its social media, whether it's just in general, the digital age of being able to watch people who inspire us being able to watch you being able to watch all of these people and absorb wisdom now, and we- it doesn't matter where you are in the world to be able to learn these lessons at such a young age, and so there is a general awareness, and I think this administration is put extra pressure on my generation particular who felt ass, though they had time to grow into their political awareness, to really speed up, because we understand that the policies that are being implemented not only horrid detriment into all of the work that has been done before us. Really will affect us as young adults, I'm. So how do you describe your?

roll right now in the culture. How guess why? I guess I'd have to say The one thing that I'm doing your one thing that I can point to that's happening currently as I'm turning eighteen Saturday and is also my early birthday, I'm launching an initiative called eighteen by eighteen, which is to increase voter turnout Youth voter turnout for first, I think, being less than of Vienna show like blackish being on, shows I groaning and to be able to work with people. Why align with more than creatively, but politically and philanthropic Lee is given such a lovely platform to then say

I have these opportunities to speak about, what's affecting our generation, I've, these opportunities to speak about what's affecting our world and so now trying to turn that into quantifiable action with this initiative and see and impress upon everyone that met terms are such an important moment for us to reach our government as you when I was. Seventeen rejoined, the drug store, Why not? Seventeen magazine, I Didn'T- I don't think ever knew the word quantifiable action at seventeen happy birthday early

Baby, so how has the blackish experience informed? More of who you are? I know it's on who you are written, but it has played such an interval part and why I am because I signed onto blackish. I was thirteen turning for and it was the first place in which I was in an environment of people who really wanted to continue conversation so many times of fellow actors, fellow peers, who aren't as supported by production by writers, to have politically aware conversations, and so too

able to me on a show and one that is our common goal, really allowed us to have so many more conversations that such a young age, in which we were talking about, whether we were talking about our hope episode and when we discuss police brutality and they want to know how we feel as actors, some more than just how our characters feel. How do we feel, and so each episode brought with it a new conversation and, more importantly, I think it translated because then, when I stepped off, of set more people wanted to continue the conversations that blackish started

that would allow them to go from there and just pick up or blackish left off and so wind blown issue about which road is just got picked up for twenty new episodes groaning came up. Will you really excited? Oh you thinking. This is going to interfere with my school plants. It was a bit of both, so groaning came up and funny enough. It happened the day after I submitted my own college applications, and so they understand everybody from writers. Production understand how much I value my education and were drawing arrest to figure out how will want to make it work, but I feel pretty lucky to be able to make a call. And he was going to be able to make a commitment to a shower, and can it do my best to figure out just believe you will it's going to happen so when you have all of whose going All of this

when we first of all your parents have done an incredible job, dancing stuff right there in this and powerful independent woman. How do you keep yourself grounded what one you ve heard the generally of my shocker necklaces and my MIKE. So that's one way, but also, I think my parents have done again a great job of giving my semblance of normalcy, and I guess my normal may be different than everyone else's normal, but at the same time they ve always treated me as being a kid and being a human to be most important and it may sound counter intuitive. But the one thing that they ve always said is actually is something that we do, but it's not. We are in that we're not allowing this one role in our life, even as instrumental as it is. Even

as much time as we dedicated to it, to define our very existence, and so I ve been able to enjoy the first movie that I audition, for it was imagine that any booking airplane, Eddie Murphy S daughter- and I remember it- was the first big audition process and I was seven and there were like ten additions or it could be hyperbole. I was young, so it's felt like a lot, and I remember halfway through their, like, you know, called yet so let's go travel and we went to travel and we actually want to ITALY, which was amazing. How so Renaissance art and renaissance history that I was able to cause. You were

he paused and I just want to say something. I just want to say something to you and I'm gonna ass on onto you, you know even needed, but when I do, the color purple was the thing I most wanted to do in the world. I never wanted anything and haven't want anything more sense since during the color purple and when I finished it, because it was a thing I'm most dreamed about that I guess everything's over now. I guess it's all done and Quincy Jones said so to be that I want to say to you baby, you're, futures, so bright burns, why

what, before we go, keep your eyes on these. They are on the rise. I want to thank obedience, Phoebe. Robinson and Jessica Williams from the Popular Podcast Tudor Queens first being by the APOLLO. They had been, our audience laughin it up, and I were extremely exile, as you can imagine when we were asked to come out. So we d like a little preparation, because this is a big deal, your phone, it an ok, you don't roll up you We had a morass, so we bug devil crap. I. What did you do? I started a juice clan

And then I ended it: six hours later age shaved, my legs last night, that's great after you know such a harsh winter we had, and instead of just going like the here- I went up a little bit past. My name, that's amazing, to me is like that's my journey. This is my moment, so I did that and then last night I started to listen to the audio book that, of the power of now with Irene, just to get my connected with very spirit on going through a weird cathartic crisis right now, but I'm feeling great up here

I again to it. I dont want not appropriate talk about love and I was not aware of Spain's I'm just once journeying. You know what my emotions arbours lie: what I'd shoes to put back out there like their brains and re, and really a bow like earning like your emotions. There are real, but they're, not you know. They're, like you, don't have to circumvent so probably be hunted taught these Are you gonna? Do you like how you can act? you gotta talk to your parents, you gotTa Rachel, you now reach out was you know all that? sounds of America's got talent thing of love and on and on and on

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