A listener note. This episode contains a dull language in content and references to suicide and may not be suitable for everyone. if you or someone you know is struggling with mental health. You can find resources in the episode description George full Anko had a problem in the air Since of any suspects, whispers started circulating that Joe hadn't been murdered at all this these rumour bill started shifting around about a possible suicide and whatever There had been rumours like this almost from the beginning, but within the at a standstill they spread like wildfire. Rumour gossip in police departments rampant. So a little bit a locker room talk now that turns in two theories:

two substantiated evidence. You know it just goes our fast. Some smells wrong in the fox, like police death case, one newspaper columnist wrote there was one thing in particular or really to the George kept Coming back to whenever this theory came up, you know, Easy enough to say away at escape committed suicide. But ok, let me ask you this parachutes twice and walks down in over twenty years and shoots himself again doesn't make any sense in seconds. So with anything. Yet there we ve never encountered Joe had been shot twice. me if you're gonna, shoot yourself. Why are you doing it this way? You shoot yourself If you're gonna commit suicide, you commit suicide. You don't it half suicide still with nothing else to go on. George will start to take that theory a little more seriously. It started percentage wise.

given the scale low, because their issues nothing we're just hitting dead ends and usually we'll hit something George and the other investigators were in the break room discussing the suicide theory when Terry Richards, the lead evidence tack on the task force, walked in to say that he just found something incredible, one think or a notice to work to readers. There's. No joking or sometimes you know, for the sake of your mental? Well being you ve gotta, keep it a little light. Interiors just completely focuses knack excited South Terry thought. Something was incredible: it probably was the first. He said what you guys tie it goes well, you know were, were really Looking at the suicide NGO, any US listen up until ten minutes ago. So was I you're, not gonna, F and believed this. He goes lab, is found. Maybe a dozen

maybe more different. Dna profiles on his equipment. His belt has gone multiple dna profiles- IRAN, like you, ve gotta, be kidding me that opened up an entire pandora's box for us after weeks, leads going nowhere. It was exciting news, but there was also a problem. None of the dna profiles were identified, not matched any one in the criminal database, Georgia's heart sank. You know how heavy dna is. and you know how many people dna is exonerated You come up with unidentified dna in any kind of a case you better be able to either identify it or,

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This is episode. Five, the exploiters a few days after the DNA results came back on Jos Gun. The task force gathered some of the explorers together. Fox, like fire station, a massive warehouse thou building just behind the police station we hit information that Joe was really free and loose was with his equipment. meaning that Anybody who wired hold is gone war touch any of his equipment is not rely. at all. It almost goes without saying that this was another rule. The Joe is breaking,

shouldn't allow anyone to touch their gun, the least of all a group of teenagers, but by this point that wasn't so surprising, George had wanted to energy the kids right away, but it had taken a few days to find a suitable location, the Fox Lake Peaty just couldn't many them all, and so they settled on the fire station, which was large enough to allow the investigators to conduct multiple interviews and collect dna samples advisers then contact it. All of us saying you know if you are under the age of eighteen? You had your parents common sign for you to be to review whether or not they were going to be with you and all that but I was already of age, so I sign myself. More in gala, which had joined the explorers group when she was just fourteen years old at four she'd been a little intimidated by G, I Joe, very military high, top hair cut straight polo. You form always pristine Irene stood with oppressed

and he walked in the room. He looked at him to feel what we're gonna do she had ambitions of pursuing a current law enforcement and threw herself into the training soaking at all in they practise dealing with tear gas with flash bangs running with four gear on embryos. Funds. For us it was, it was training. We I feel, like you know, we got some of the best training, because we. Train so hard, and we were able to have these opportunities to do different things to run different scenarios and have different opportunities to solve different puzzles Joe had become like a mentor to Morgan. She looked up to him. Like the time, Morgan had failed one of her physical tests, Joe not only letter we take it, he did it with her.

He, like I'm, going to run this with you. You know I'm going to I'm going to help you push through it and then you're going to do it. The fact that I was able to be a part of a team and I would be accepted no matter how many times I failed. As long as I tried again, that's all that mattered. he definitely got me out of my shell as a person, I used to be a very quiet person, but he got mean come out and you know have more faith in myself. He was a he's. A great person Morgan had been at her boyfriend's house when she got were from a relative who work for the village. The Joe had been killed at that point Jos identity hadn't yet been released, but she reached out to the other explores. I won't kill our group as messenger and I say

no one say anything until the family has been notified. When she started to cry, I couldn't believe it. My my first thought was who, in the hell, did beat that man like who, in the held out the upper hand on him That's that's ridiculous. That was a feeling shared by many of the explores chose to tough too strong to have been disarmed and killed with his own weapon. After all, here was a guy who wouldn't take painkillers because quote made him feel less of a man. There are other things that stuck out to the explorers about Jos death before he was killed. Joe had radio that he was pursuing. Two male whites were male black, but Joe had always taught them to be as detailed as possible, calling in a suspect, in fact Joe, would punish them with pushups if they forgot

so to male whites. One male black that struck them is odd. They also thought it was strange. The Joe had gone after the suspects without waiting for backup Joe had taught them always wait for backup. It was one of the many lessons he drilled enter them using what he called the crawl walk run method. First, the explorers had to crawl, so you have to sit drill death by Powerpoint NGO over a whole bunch of slides and listen to information hear stories and take notes, knowledge stuff. Then the while the walk, which was going hands on starting to get. You know like physical trying to feel out stuff verbally going through things and finally would be able to run, which was we would do training scenarios. Hardly George was in the chair,

meaning room of the round like park police department. When he first saw one of Jos scenarios. We're sitting at a round table linen somebody city yet to see this. They spun the laptop around for him to see The video showed what looked like an arms swat team bursting through the cabin door of a pleasure boats from looking at it in a like water. The fuck is this: are you kidding me? It was the x oars practicing and armed assault. Joe was at the centre and a camouflaged cap backing. You beg your pardon it was a surreal watching their slake. Why asked my job on your problem I was, I was why that aspect watching saw the weapon going down. That's what you have to understand members. That is why, this matter by the World Bank, I'm just gonna simultaneously looked each said, if you guys, even any kind of training like this, if appropriate, the user. the sugar adds gone, no meaning

advance technical, Swat stuff, no comment regarding hereupon haven't worn ram it was strange to see these kids out their trust in you. No military fatigues, with fake weapons like a fake, I'm sixteens, doing military type, assaults and a highly org Grown area mean in even police work, I don't know what that is minutes from its military tactics, the videos had been downloaded from Jos Computer and they contained their scenarios as well. in one somewhere in the desert. Joe was holding a shield in advancing on an objective while DJ fired a handgun over his shoulder.

but it was a training exercise, any heavily wooded area that Stock George Cold. It was the abandoned cement plan, the exact same place where Joe had been shot. The area was the same so when you're, watching at your seeing that video, like that. Oh my gosh, that's exactly where we were me. That's the rodion! That's where we walked in here, the guy leading the charge out there even more surprising Joe, was leading the kids in a scenario involving an officer down since the beginning of the investigation. Or team had been unable to answer one basic question: what what Joe doing near the cement plant. The day he died. The area was dead a dead end? A hundred yards from any main road, not the kind of place you get too by accident. Joe, had gone down there. It was because he had to go down there, so

he clearly knew that area of you see a lot of these kids, the tube. So did he. So that was a really important clue for us, but there is something else that the investigators were curious about or going through just phone records. They found some suspicious tax about money. And they had a few questions. The questions that they were asking definitely gave us a different idea of what was going on. Work on a question will come questions where they asked. I don't know if I'm allowed to say. Ok, I just sorry just because everything that still going on with Miss G and it hasn't been seven years since the whole incident has occurred so like the facility it took four Thus I don't know whether or not they removed our equipment from the building.

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what men like you know not arm armaments, but it had. I mean enough cats to probably sustain a couple hundred people. There are camouflage uniforms combat boots helmets, gas masks tactical vast body armor, like you know what the fuck is this. What are we? What do we do? down. Here. Is this like a special forces camp? I think for me going there what what? What really really important to go there and to see it was the well there's a couple of things. One, I think was to get the idea of the enormity of the type of work It meant that was there. There was also a sort of tall lockers off to one side covered with what looked like Swat team stickers,

A stray was like a complete military thing was like in a special forces thing in the explorers vows chemist, range to me. He ran it is if it was his own little private private army, George and Generic looked at the equipment and wondered where it all came from lots of police departments got hammy downs from a Department of Defense Program called Lesser Joe, had been Fox Lakes point person for the programme, but that equipment it was all supposed to be for the police, I mean odyssey. I think that these explorers were outfitted better than some police departments are based on the equipment that they have. The explorers budget also seemed much higher. The generic would have expected most explorer groups that he knew operated on a small budget, but Joe seem flush with cash.

In their interviews. The explorers explained that most of the funding came through donations, but they also raise money by working. Certain events are rodeo needed them. Three hundred fifty dollars to dogs shows The fair grounds brought in five hundred dollars: apiece parking crowd, control duties at the county, Fair ten thousand dollars which the posts had to split few neighbouring units the money they raise, went toward outfitting the unit in competitions which cost somewhere in the neighbourhood of eighteen Grand a year, Far as generic knew no one had ever looked into the explorers finances and men and asked for an inventory of everything down at the explorers headquarters. But what about the bank accounts was

when looking into those a few weeks later, Generic walked across the hallway into Georgia's office. I'd is closed. The door- and I say I gotta talk to you any say. Ok and I said this guy's laundering money- George just stared at him in these, like what are you talking about? I said any Georgia's, you no kind of joke about music. What the hell is money laundering John Eric had been going through the explorers Bank records with the help of an FBI forensic account. It had taken a while to get the infant should back from the banks. Now they had roughly twelve thousand pages to deal with as they went through the records. They noticed that there were a lot of charges that didn't make sense. I've got a lot of white collar crime, so I see the patterns. I can try to get an idea of what purchases are for two thousand five hundred dollars and charges a coffee shops about nine thousand I wasn't restaurants roughly

seven thousand dollars and charges to Jim memberships, races and hormonal supplements, another two thousand five hundred dollars to porn and eighty websites There was also a trip to Hawaii the cost more than five thousand dollars. I ok gimme the benefit of the doubt on airline tickets and you know cause. I don't think you taken explorers to Hawaii or I can't look at it like. I have taken the explorers out to dinner every week I mean is, that is part of the deal is I don't think it is our European for Jim memberships him access to adult where sites, I gotta, think that's not explore expenses. You know I mean it appeared. The Joe had been using the explorers account as his own personal atm generic event The calculated that, over a span of seven years, Joe had embezzled roughly

a thousand dollars granted, he paid some of it back at least thirty grand still. This was clearly a felony roaming, George Avenue initial long time. I know exactly what this is. I know what he's doing at the very least a thief, and he stealing from these kids now just efforts to get the explorers out from an Marin's recite look less like somebody trying to safeguard their job and more like someone trying to cover up their cry, we're looking at it like, I, you know he's initially, you know trying to get out. He wants to get the explorers away from an and her control, so he that's his first mission. So what

We need to do to get bad done, and so he is willing to do anything. He message to candidate running for a spot on Fox, like Village board, hoping that this guy can at least you know, maybe get her to get off his back or something, but that didn't work out. The candidate lost the elections, so that guy's out he's got no voice whatsoever in terms of being any influence on her next Joe moved on to the police chief and then he's trying to tell being hey look. she's coming after explorers, but she's going to go after that police association. Next, that you run and so be aware of that, and you know what else can we do? How else can you help me will be? Is got his own problems right? He knows to pretty much the handwriting all he's gonna be out so shortly thereafter, in August middle of August, some time that he's put administratively

That means he's got no access to the building zero. He can't when you're on administrative leave. That's it you're here is essentially to suspension, but it's with pay so you're out, and he knows that so be it now at this point, has zero influence on end, thing at that point, Joe must have been running out of options so that he's gonna be ok. Now I get a change up the bank. I got it, I gotta get that changed, because once we switch banks, this was his logic accorded text messages. She won't be able to get to the finances, cause wheel of clothes and particular account that we have

we were affiliated with backslide pity open our own were now a not for profit. We are nothing to do with the village. She can't touch any of our finances all for the spring and summer text. Messages recover from Jos phoned show him scrambling. At one point, he takes a dj. Your borrowing from that other account when you get back you'll, have to start dumping money into that account or you will be visiting me in jail. The sixteen hundred and seven hundred

Seventy seven all came from there. They catch me doing this. You known Jeanne. You know I'm using another account for these things. I'm sticking my neck out there with learning you over two thousand three hundred and seventy seven dollars to fix your truck specifically and only to help accommodate your summer leave trip to Oklahoma. I would not have otherwise in another message. He talks about the money that the explorers had given him to pay for their boot camp. The sixteen hundred is undocumented. It was cash from the boot cap, so there's no check trail to follow

Only our sheet that indicates who attended and if they paid so you know Ganz, is ago, was well aware of what he was doing new start seeing this and you start realizing the desperation that stare and the fear of getting caught and and by his own admission, realizing that if he gets caught he could do the possibility he could go to jail and loses pension and hold thing, and so on August thirty first, when an Marin asked for a complete inventory of the explorers post and the finances, Joe must have felt like he'd reach the end of the line. That must have been why he'd message: Donnie Smith, so the mayor of American Veto things a mayor, control We know the board, the mayor can hire and fire police Chiefs in Illinois. That's the law. They they dont need board consent to do that.

So you know they can bring in their own chief, even against the will of the board. So maybe he's looking at it like. From that perspective, I just get this guy's ear what a terrible person and Marin is that's our problem. We can get rid of and Marin even if beings gone at least we have some influence where, and maybe I become a chief or maybe somebody else within the organization, so we can kind of keep things going. The status quo, Joe, had seemed happy after dawn call to the American Legion about moving the explores from the village oversight, but he must have come to realize it

I'm going to stop him from hanging in the inventory to an merit, and I think when that didn't happen either. I think you know he pretty much. Do the handwriting was on the watch. Leeson his mind generic finished up and then looked at George Major sort of Saturday staring at me very wide. Eyed said he. I begin me ice now on that Kenya, I'm telling you this is, and this is money laundering. These are all felonies. What he's doing or was doing- and this is a problem. This is a huge problem. This yours, the guy's, a criminal and police officer, not in know this is what he's doing is engaging in money laundering and theft, and these are all felonies George sat there for a moment the wheels of his mind turning it was like he could see the peace of a jigsaw puzzle floating in the air above his head, and then one by one the pieces, all

seem to snap into place the fact that they couldn't locate any suspect. the Joe had a high tolerance for paying that he had been shot at close range. He thought back to the video he'd seen of Joe leading the explorers through an officer down scenario in the swamp. It was actually the same thing that had happened to Joe. I can tell you It was an oh shit moment in a case like this. It's so complex, it's it's everything put together. Finally, in now it's Crystal clear: why sat back and when holy shit the charge didn't feel happy. He was furious made me feel angry, because not only did we, as a group expand in now just the test worse, but other law enforcement agencies. Everything we

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here about the latin kings nationally in New York and all these other big cities? The exact area I mean you're talking the streets were, I grew up his word. The latin kings started. George had tried to keep head down and stay away from trouble, but in those neighborhoods it was all too easy to be at the wrong place at the wrong and one Saturday morning when he was twelve years old. The wrong place was a bus stop near his house. This is what I remember I remember getting hit. It couldn't tell you who it was what they click. It felt like an explosion to the head before everything went. Black The next thing I remember was waking up in a really cold x, ray table. He was freezing

My shirt was off and I coughed- and I don't know- want to seem gross, but it seem like I coughed up a glob of blood about the size of a baseball he wiped his mouth. With the back of his hand, then he heard voices in the distance. I looked over to saw a couple Chicago Cubs standing, Mirror And the doktor told the man he's lucky, you guys found them because I think he would oblige out. He later found out that his attacker for no apparent reason had simply walked up and swung at his face with a baseball bat It was like standing near at home plate and taken a full swing. It completely crushed or smashed. My nose broke most among the bone structure. In my face you know I was a victim. I was bullied

I was paralysed, ABC was beat up. and I understood what being a victim was almost felt. obligated to prevent that from happening to anybody else. He knew then that he wanted to become a cop. I always felt that their there really thing between the anarchy in some form of semblance psyche. You know we are the guardians of protectors. You know where the guys and also ensure that nobody become as victims by My intention, even as a kid was in know what I really want to be a detective. I wanna be a detective I could tell you some some crazy shit that I did. I created my own fingerprint powder actually figured out, to read, through books from library how to live prince. I use tape, masking tape so basic.

a file on the whole family, but it wasn't. So much later in life that George finally achieved his dream, he started out as a police. Dispatcher went on to become a part time all caught apartheid, police chief and then at forty five years old George finally became a full time. Police officer I gotta, tell ya becoming an officer was one of three highlights in my professional career, becoming a police officer being sworn to unify Emil there the second highlight was being chosen to be on the task forces a detective. There is huge, early on in his career. He learned an important lesson while responding to a call in a wealthy neighbourhood. He was with the training officer, a retired detective from Chicago who'd been

the block for driving by these million dollar estates- and he said, listen kid. What do you think it he's home some like? Oh, my god or just pristine or fantastic, and whatever Let me just say something: what goes out behind those doors will shock you. I really don't know. What's behind those doors, the conversation stock with George through the years from his time as a police officer, twenty became a detective and then commander of the task. Course. It reminded him to look closer to dig deeper, to ask questions. My question is Do you really ever really know a person was late at night. By the time, George got back home after a meeting which, on Erik the house was quiet, there's no big frills to her. Now in poor myself so mean higher. see or burn you don't put, am I smoke?

jacket was basically egg, get oddities clause and thrown into thy hamper as quickly as possible. God knows what I am getting something Google Carson's usually following me: around Carson charges. Loyal puddle We ve got vinyl flooring, it looks like wood and he's these nails there she would never let us cut, but you could hear gaunt click, click, click, click, click click like in back you up the place. He was kind of my really truly turning to my best friend during this case. If you got me, You could say stuff, you didn't talk me here he just listened charge. Sat in his recline or with his dog. He was mentally and physically trained. You're a couple times rose sake him. Why? How I take this job? chose TAT had become a national spectacle for months. George had stood in front of cameras, calling this a homicide vowing to bring justice to a fallen hero.

now, after exhausting all that manpower resources, George would have to get back in front of those cameras and make another announcement to the nation gee I Joe was not a hero. In fact, he was a criminal who, rather than face the consequences of his crimes, took his own life in staged it to look like he was killed, the line of duty young. Emotionally I took it all psychologically. It took a tall you. I think after they had, I became I want to use the word angrier boy I was in. Is you know that was in his life? personality, as I normally would be it. It's got a heavy toll on George first became a police officer. It was to protect innocent people.

criminals. Not once did he imagined that the criminal he might be protecting people from would be a fellow police officer. It was like George was going through some version of the grieving process, denial, anger, bargaining, depression and finally, acceptance. He wasn't grieving for Joe, but for his whole view of what police were supposed to stand for, you know you each year ever reach back in the past, there's no police Academy the one thing to keep telling every fucking day as there's no reduce or no redo. Here yeah the pressure was on, or is a lot of stress, but do the best job you can you got it

but if George had a hard time coming to terms with the facts of the case, it was nothing compared to what would happen when the people of Fox Lake in the country found out. I dont know I dont know there's all kinds of theories. Conspiracy theories, things that are out there, how the public you kept your life when you didn't know that very, very high visibility. How did you do that? She was reading a George during the press coverage because she, just how could you This happened. I don't have anything to apologise to the community about Joe Glitter, which is the one who should be apologize at this dream over and over and over and over again and it was useless eating alive. I you know watchman, taken beside Armand ensued himself twice.

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