Tommy interviews former San Antonio Mayor and HUD Secretary Julián Castro about his 2020 bid. They discuss immigration, Puerto Rico, housing policy, why Democrats have underperformed with Latino voters and how he plans to make the debates and win. On foreign policy, they discuss the rise of white extremists, whether Saudi Arabia is still an ally, China's muslim reeducation camps, North Korea and Beyonce.
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Welcome to POD save America. This is Tommy V tour. You know me the Monday episodes you know
from pod, save the world. The show you listen to after keep it on wednesdays. That comment was directed at my wife,
We are interviewing all of the presidential candidates who are willing and able to come to our studio here at crooked media h, Q, in LOS Angeles today, I
I was honored to talk with Julian Castro is a former mayor of San Antonio former Secretary of Housing and urban development. In a very, very nice guy, um, here's the stuff. We talked about here's what you have in store for you. We talked about his big bold immigration policy and some of the political hurdles he may face and trying to pass it. You talk about why he went to Puerto Rico. First, when every other candidate goes to Iowa. Ah, we talked about some housing policy. We talked about whether he was willing to break some news with me. By releasing his list of Supreme Court Justices Spoiler
Ehlert. He did not um. We also talked about why Democrats have struggled to make inroads with latino voters, even in twenty eighteen, ah, and then for him personally, how he thinks he can break through in a field uh of twenty twenty primary candidates that gets bigger by the day um. Then we turn to some foreign policy questions. I asked him about the rise of white nationalism and what the hell we can do to stop it. We talked about the: U S, saudi relationship and whether they're still
on ally. After all, the terrible things they're doing talk about China, ah and the fact that they're locking up a entire religious minority group called the week er's and and how we push back and get them to stop. Ah- and I asked about Trump's diplomacy with North Korea and then finally, I asked him about Beyonce, so without further ado. Here is the interview,
with Julian Castro. Let's describe parts of the world I am honored to have with me in the studio today,
former mayor of San Antonio former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Leon Castro, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks a lot great to be with you. So it's been a weird week in the Trump world as
I guess we could say that every week basically with that is true, but I mean he threatened to seal the border with Mexico. He threatened to cut off aid to
Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, you old.
A very, very different, far less punitive and cruel.
Immigration policy, you proposed
decriminalizing illegal entry into the Us S, making a civil infractions more like a speeding ticket than a crime, you want to split up ice. You've proposed a Marshall plan for Central America. Can you explain your immigration proposal?
and you know in proposed in particular what you can do on your own verse? What Congress would have to act on and talk about why you took such a bold approach? Well
I just have a different vision for this from the president. If you
remember about a year ago, his administration told us basically that if we would just be cruel enough to separate little children from their parents, that that would deter more families from coming to the United States and, in fact,
Families are coming now yeah, and so he wants us to believe that, in order to have a secure border, we need to choose cruelty. I believe that we have a border that is more secure than it's ever been and I'm asking Americans to choose compassion. So this people first immigration plan that I rolled out
includes rolling back something called section. Thirteen twenty five of the
great Nationality ACT, which is you know, was put in place in the late 1920s, but until about two thousand and four
these infractions somebody crossing over the border was actually treated mostly as a civil matter. It wasn't treated as a criminal matter. I believe that we should go back to that, that it will help us undo the backlog that exists of people
folks have been watching these images of folk of people under the bridge in El Paso that
literally fenced in with razor wire. This family detention practice of separating little children from their parents. That's all part of this incarceration push in our immigration
see. I think that we need to do away with that. I also believe that we need to increase the number of refugees refugees that this country takes in. I think that we need to stop playing games with people who are seeking asylum in this country,
stop treating them like criminals and allow them to make their claim. I saw the present today suggest that we should somehow
do away with asylum and uh
do away with immigration judges. Actually, I believe that we should strengthen our immigration judicial system and make it independent and invest in it, so that we can actually,
test these claims I mean the fact of the matter is we know that many of the people who make a sign 'em
I claim in the United States, may not get asylum right
also under my plan. Of course we maintain the power to deport people, but we don't treat them like criminals and we don't act like this is just going to go away. I also proposed basically a twenty first century Marshall Plan for Latin America. I know that you can't compare the test the Latin America today with polls were were to Europe right. I mean Europe was coming back after the
war, but what I mean is that I believe that we need to make investments in these northern triangle countries in on and
although it in what the Molla, so that people can find safety an opportunity there, instead of having to knock on the door of the United States, and so they win and we win. I love that you are taking a big, bold approach on immigration policy. I think that Democrats need to go at Trump Pardon immigration, because if you look at the facts, he's a failure right he's failed on enforcement, he's failed when it
living up to our values. He is he's not done the job gotten the job done, but I also know you know just for most of the time in the White House that some of these policies are tough politically and
some of them, you propose like splitting up ice decriminalizing legal entry
the foreign aid. If those require congressional action and in some instances are unpopular, how do you propose to to sell that mean? How can we get-
voters to understand that more money for for foreign aid is actually.
Help them in the long run. Well, I mean the fact is that
Is you know the United States every single year invests in the relationships that we have around the world with aid to many countries, and so I do think that there's a backbone in our history of some built in
port, some realization of that you're right I mean we do have to convince people. Why would make sense? And I would very much lead that with an explanation of how much we're going to spend how much it would cost to build that wall versus two
invest less what would be less dollars in these northern triangle countries and, I think, to stem the tide stem the flow
people coming over here. So just on a numbers basis, do you ovulate number? I don't
but I dissipate that that would be our approach and
You know during the course of the campaign we look forward to getting specific about that, but the other thing is that
think that on January 20th, twenty twenty one at one thousand two hundred and one pm we're going to have a Democrat
president a democratic Senate in a democratic house and
one of the lessons on immigration, reform of two thousand nine two thousand and ten is don't wait
yeah? And so you know we're going we're going to go for that. A lot of candidates
now they're going to run for president and then they catch the first plane to Iowa. You went to Puerto Rico, why'd you do that,
went to Puerto Rico, because I
them and all Americans to know that if I'm president, that everybody counts in this country, this administration has failed. The people of Puerto Rico. Just read
only he lied that ninety one billion dollars have been invested in Puerto Rico, to recover from Hurricane Maria. The truth is that that's just over eleven billion dollars- and I wanted to just tell them- you know we're thinking about them- they're, Americans too, and if I'm president, I think frankly, if any of the folks that are running for President Democrats make it that we're going to treat them very differently.
We're gonna, make sure that they count? Why do you theory for why he is so vicious towards elected officials, any financing going towards Puerto Rico, he's it's! It's glaring it's now
it's insecurity. He recognizes that it's another
sample of the administration's either malice or incompetence, see I don't think that is incompetence is given.
Credit a lot of times. It's an incompetent ministration full of people who are c or d
level appointees, not all of them, but a lot of I mean you
served in the federal government. You know what I'm talking about lot of
positions that are unfilled, a lot of decisions that don't get made because people are afraid to make a decision because there gaps in the chain of command
political decisions that get made. So he
wants people to believe that it was Puerto Rico's fault from the
beginning, when they suggested that somehow you know people were on strike, and so they didn't help deliver supplies on the island
He he riles up his base by making him think it's Puerto Rico's fault when it wasn't and shifts the conversation to that. Instead of the fact that that Harvard Study pointed out that about three p, three thousand people died and a lot of them after the storm
it, because the recovery was not handled the right way. Yeah puerto Ricans were known to create their own hurricanes. I think is you know just take on this. Do you think Puerto Rico should become a state? Well, I think that they should
that they should determine that. I know that there have been a couple of votes in years past. I would like to see a process for self determination.
I would be committed to that. If I'm president, I think that they should be respected first and foremost, and and been completely dis respected. By this president, I mean I, I cannot believe how disrespectful
Present has been, nor can I so you were President Obama's Secretary of Housing and urban development from twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen that the financial crisis and a lot of the fallout from it was before your time and in many instances. But
there are some Democrats who believe that Obama didn't do enough to help homeowners hurt by the financial crisis, but he bailed out banks write something you hear a lot so, for example, they think we should have lead bankruptcy. Judges modify homeowner
bridges to reduce the terms, reduce the value of the dad and avoid foreclosure. It's called a cram down one of those awful terms that I will never forget, and no one knows what it means. Do you
free with that criticism, and if you do do what other things do you think we could have done to help homeowners after the crisis? Well,
leave is that President Obama did a very good job with the circumstances that he inherited in terms of getting the country back up on its feet. You think about communities like Florida or Nevada that were very hard to hit
was night and day. You know if you stepped in there in January of two thousand and nine versus January of twenty seventeen. At the same time, of course, there are things that that you know lessons learned. Hopefully, we won't have to go through that again, but lessons learned in terms of maybe we can be more aggressive and so that more people can keep their homes. But overall I do
think that the administration was focused on the concerns of everyday people, especially in a way that this president just is not yet folks, may remember, you know, right after he was elected, that you know somebody caught him. I think on tape or reporter the Trump told his buddies had one of the his club
You know I'm going to get you that tax cut right, I'm going to lower your taxes mean that's completely different from the the attitude that President Obama had and all of his hat, which is we want to do what we can
to improve the lives of every day, Americans that are working hard and have just lost their homes. I think in the future um we can look at more aggressive ways. Thio too, make sure people can keep their homes also to add to housing supply that is affordable because we have a rental affordability.
ISIS out there and on the stomp these days. I talk a lot about that. You know one of things I talk about is it we need to be the most prosperous nation in this 21st century, but it has to mean prosperity for,
everybody from raising the minimum wage to investing in affordable housing, to making sure that, of course, we focus on the middle class, but also that we focus on the poor too
I mean look. I've lived recently in DC
la San Francisco. I mean these are cities where rents are just sky
rocking. You really hit the hot spots of yeah. It was not the smartest move,
am my part. I wasn't a tech founder, so like these
cities, I mean there gentrification people are getting driven out of their homes. What role do you think the federal government can play in helping people afford housing versus state and local government
There are things that we can do um. You know at the end of the Obama administration, one of the things we did was to release a set of um recommendations for local communities on land use decisions and that they could make um basically toe to increase the likelihood that affordable housing would be built that we get greater supply. But we can make stronger investments, I would increase the National Housing Trust fund, increased low income, housing tax credits, also traditional tools like community development, block block grants and home funding, um and money for to come.
Homelessness, because we have yeah in the cities that you mentioned right growing on shelter homelessness, but we also, I think you have to restore something called affirmatively furthering fair housing. It was a blockbuster rule that HUD idea during the Obama administration to basically tell communities. Look if you're gonna get federal taxpayer dollars through hard. You have to get more serious about providing equal housing opportunity throughout your jurisdiction of, and that, I think, will help jurisdiction. Cities or counties B Y
be more prudent about things like gentrification and displacement. I have to tell you that I travel to a hundred different communities in thirty nine states when I was out secretary in over those two and a half years, and I would not have grated a single community within a when it came to combating displacement because oftentimes,
what happens is by the time people recognize there's a problem here. You know, there's already gone through a tipping point when people can't afford to live there anymore. Austin is a great example of that
you know, the east side of Austin has lost half of its african american population over the last decade, or so so there is a lot of their investments, but there's also, I think, an approach that we can take to help local communities get better about that.
Switching gears. A little bit, but I guess, staying in San Francisco there's some pulling out today about how unpopular some of the big tech companies are like Facebook, Google, twitter there's been a lot of talk recently about how they should be regulated or maybe even broken up. Do you think it makes sense to break up companies like Facebook or Google, and if yes, I mean, do we need to update our antitrust laws to reflect the reality of business today versus, say, standard oil in the twenties? Oh, I think it's definitely worth taking a look at those laws. I believe that that's worth a a debate, a conversation I have concerns about, for instance, companies that have gotten as big as they have with the business model of using consumer information using the the
web data cell phone data tracking data of ordinary Americans um, I do think I was in Iowa the other day. We did ah a forum and storm Lake around rural issues. One of things I said there was with respect to agribusiness, for instance, that I applaud efforts to not just look at consumer price when two companies were trying to merge in Agra business, but also looking at the effect on small business along the chain of production, and I think you know analogous Lee that we can say that in the same way about attack or
or other industries. So yeah, I think that's worth a debate debate during the campaign. President Trump had some donors lobbyists the Federalist society drop for him, a list of potential Supreme Court justices that he could then released. Two shows
red bone a few days. Do you have a list and you want to share the names with us today. I don't have a list, but let me tell you what I would do a number one. We need to bring back respected organizations like the American BAR Association to give input and make recommendations and take those recommendations seriously. Secondly-
oh the importance of the Supreme Court to fundamental rights like the right to choose ah and that the future of ROE V Wade is under threat because of the direction that the court has been go
again and and I'm president, I'm gonna make make sure to appoint very well qualified judges who have a good track record and have embraced progressive values. I mean so just this week, Mitch Mcconnell is, is forcing through a rule, change that that reduces the amount of time you have to debate, one of these judges and culture from thirty hours to two.
So they're just ramming these, you they're finding like anybody over the age of thirteen. Maybe me maybe taking the l sat in getting my federal
you're, not yeah, you're, not getting in some instances. Unfortunately, I'm not I mean, can we fix this? Is it? Are they stacking the the federal courts to such a degree that that the next democratic president might not be able to unwind
the damage. Well, I mean there's a lot of damage, no doubt because
pointing ideologues, because some of these ideologues, as you suggest, are hardly qualified. I mean there were a couple. I think that hadn't even
argued a case yet had not litigated a case? And now they're gonna be Supreme Court justices that go into the intricacies essentially of the law, so people have discussed different ways that we could look at it there. There is one that I am not too fond of, and you know maybe a couple that I I would consider the one that I'm not
to Fonda of is just simply increasing the number of justices on the Supreme Court, because if we go from nine justices to eleven tomorrow, what's to say that in a couple
years. They don't come back and put it back in nine or fifteen. The one
treat me more, for instance, our term limits on what are now lifetime appointments. If you had a twenty year term limit or something like that, um or some system, that's you know can't how some states do commission redistricting all right. The Democrats appoints certain people, the Republicans appoints a certain number of people, and then you have to agree on a certain number of people, so those
tend to be more in the middle. I think that that's worth looking at you know yeah. This episode of POD save America is brought to you by
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obviously had a lot of success and we
made some progress among latino voters, but I think it was a lot less than people had hoped, especially in places like Florida. Similarly, I think you've seen general latino political participation not keep pace with population growth,
I'm curious. If you have a theory of the case for why that is in in thoughts on how Democrats could do a better job of earning the votes of Latinos in the US. Well, I mean, I think, different reasons. What can we do to improve that? It's gonna take a an all out three hundred and sixty five days a year effort to invest in registration and in turn out is you know, I mean campaigns are often focused on the most likely voters because they have limited resource right. So this is something that foundations and you know, see Ford's and others are going to have to do a re around. Not just three months before election or six months before election, but if you have a sustained effort to improve turn out a registration and turned out that, I do think that you can start seeing those numbers improve
We did see you know from twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen over one hundred and fifty percent increase in latino participation, at least in Texas. So you know there is some reason for hope. I do think that in twenty twenty we're going to see in the increase, I believe also that you have to continue to recruit good candidates from the local level, the state level and at the federal level
candidate. I've always been mindful that you need to represent everybody when you're you're in office and as you campaign, but I do believe that my candidacy is the only latino. That's running in this race is going to have special meaning to a lot of latino.
And I believe that if I am the democratic nominee that I can go, get the eleven electoral votes of Arizona, though,
twenty nine electoral votes of Florida and the thirty eight electoral votes of Texas, something you said
reminded me of something that literally keeps me up at night, which is that Trump is out there he's gonna.
Is a billion dollars. He's he's
he's putting millions of dollars into Facebook ads to scare the shit out of old white people in various places like every day,
Are we are going to spend a couple hundred million dollars in Iowa South Carolina New Hampshire? You know, maybe some super Tuesday states
does that worry you that we're not doing the structural. Investing that you you talked about or do you think the Dnc is?
is filling get well, I mean I'll. Give Tom Petty is some credit right. I mean. I do think that he has given that thought in addition to addressing some of the twenty sixteen issues of right
very alert, yeah divisions and feelings that were still there, but I I do think that they've taken, you know, eyes wide, open approach now, but it's going to take. You know the democracy alliance and others that are interested in long term, growth in registration and turn out to make those investments. We can't take our eye off of that ball. I do agree that look. The first order of business is to go, get hacked Michigan, Wisconsin Pennsylvania. I mean we lost those by collectively less than eighty thousand votes, and I think that a couple of the Trans we saw in twenty eighteen, like the suburbs going over to democrats- and it is you- Know- present Obama. Twenty twelve there was a
african american turnout rate of sixty six percent, and that fell to fifty nine and a half percent in twenty. Sixteen. I think that that's gonna go up again right, whether on the nominee or there are others that can, I think, make that go up again. So there's a lot of promise there, but on top of that the future is to go get Arizona
taxes in Florida, Christian Cinema already won in Arizona Gillum only lost by
in a mid term, year only lost by thirty three thousand votes bill,
they were, they were, but you know I mean a presidential years will be better than a midterm year, probably for us um, but you know Bill Nelson, only that's like ten thousand and in Texas. Ah, you know better or got within two and one slash two points of TED Cruz. So there's a lot to suggest that
that's fruitful territory for us yeah I mean the Beddows Beto turned out a lot of voters, but he
also running against, like arguably the worst person
then it I mean, do you think, do you think Texas is gettable
in an election year. These damn it we've been salivating over Texas for a decade. Democrats have oh, I do I do um. You know a good example that was that Hillary law,
Texas, by nine points right. She lost Ohio and Iowa by nine points, but for Texas it had gone from a sixteen point. Difference to
nine point difference and now in the midterms there were a couple of candidates not only Congressman O'Rourke, but also the Lieutenant Guvna gubernatorial candidate. I think my colleague
who were within three points so for two thousand and twenty, I believe with the right candidate that yeah
can get it. I believe that if I'm the nominee that I can get texts, I like that
Speaking of the nominee. So there's roughly one thousand Democrats running for president.
I mean I remember running is Hillary and think he was hard to break through. I can't imagine how it is now, especially with there's thresholds. One has to meet to be invited to the debates right and you.
You warned supporters in a fund raising email that the parties new rules mean you might not make it onto the debate stage. So I guess my question is sort of what
pitch the listeners to say, give me a buck, so I can get on that stage and how do you hope to
through and then because I love fifteen part questions like is your path: Iowa New
turn Nevada South Carolina, or do you think you might prioritize your time differently? Yeah? Well, I know
it's on January 12th and unlike some of the candidates, I had not run for president before run for Senate, even though I've served as a federal executive right national post
so we're building up our campaign from scratch. Our fundraising has accelerated
basically, I'm still not at the sixty five thousand threshold and so we're taking contributions to get on that debate stage.
I have met the polling requirement, though, and why
Well, number one, I'm one of the few candidates in this race that has executive experience. Having served as a cabinet secretary,
management agency of forty eight billion dollar budget
one thousand employees, fifty four field offices across the country
who served as the mayor of San Antonio, the nation's seventh largest city. So I have a track record of getting things done and
I represent a new generation of leadership and I think that people are looking for a new generation of leadership. I've also articulated a strong, positive, compelling vision for the future that we be in the 21st century, the smartest the healthiest, the fairest and the most prosperous nation, and and releasing plans on how we get there
like we did with this people. First, immigration plan so yeah. I believe that, with the support of the american people, that I am going get get on the debate stage and would encourage folks to give once we get on that debate stage. I'm confident that I'm going to stand out in terms of my path, I think everybody's got to keep
eat for Iowa, because in such a crowded field you know, if you get lost in the shuffle. If you don't do very well there, then it's probably hard to sticker
sorry, I'm going to compete in Iowa
I also like that
have Nevada as the third state. After those first course. I actually really like the secondary stretch of states on Super Tuesday March. Third, we have California, we have Texas.
We have, I believe, Colorado as well as the South Rico I understand is looking at.
Bring up its primary to Sunday March Eighth, and then
do that within two weeks or so you have Florida and Arizona, and so I feel good, very good about that secondary stretch of state. So it's fast for a little bit. You want
congrats. You walk into the oval put your feet up on the desk.
What do you do on day? One
well in that moment will be a very special one. I actually look forward. Let me back up a few hours. I look forward to the moment when it's traditional for the incoming president to usher out the outgoing president
and you know on the White House lawn Donald Trump and Melania Trump. Will be
they go off to New York or tomorrow, Lago or somewhere yeah. You know
want right before he leaves to go off into the helicopter. I'm going to tell him
So when I get into the oval office, then no, my first executive,
There will be to recommit the United States, the Paris climate accord, so that we can lead on climate change again and also- and I think this reflects the experience that I do have having served as a cabinet member, as you know
This administration has undertaken a number of different rule, changes that have undermined civil rights, women's rights, the environment, health care, education, any number of things. My first order of business
will be to have a catalog of that an index of that into immediately it on the first day in the few for the days following that, instruct what what that point be temporary people in charge of the departments to begin on doing those things that have been done.
And to go in the right direction on civil rights and education and healthcare, yet we gotta go back in the direction of expanding opportunity instead of taking away from it agreed. I see a couple of national security questions.
So there's been this very frightening increase in globally. In terrorist attacks by white nationalists
Most recently, there was a lunatic who shot up to MOSS in New Zealand. The New York Times this week
is an interesting analysis showing that many of these attacks are actually connected either by direct communication between
individuals involved or one was inspired by. Another appears what you think about what the US government and also tech companies
to do to stop online radicalization and the horrific violence that can come from it. Well, you know we have seen that that there's this underworld, um out there in the internet and social media
people are getting radicalized right. That's often a word, unfortunately, that
only been used. When we talk about folks in the Middle
EAST and Muslims, you know, has been people or a groups, whole groups have been slandered, but it it is accurate to say that several of these young men who have gone in and shot up, whether it's a church or night club or
other circumstances here and also in other parts of the world have been radicalized, and so I do think that, whether it's face
book or twitter or others that they have to bear some responsibility for cracking down on that being more vigilant and they've said that right and in some instances they've taken steps, but I don't think that they've done enough, I think it was. The FBI director may have testified recently that that this white nationalism is a real threat and we see that right. I also, though I do think that we have to be careful, because the president others have would have people almost believe that every time somebody who happens to be muslim commits a terrorist act, that we should view all people in that way and um. You know we don't do that. Just like, if somebody is wide and they go and
If you have a white man that goes and shoots up a church or somewhere else, we don't make those kinds of conclusions. We have to come at these challenges where they are right, um and do so in a way that separates um the actions of one individual from an indictment of entire groups. Do you think Trump has, I don't know, inspired these groups or or made common cause with some of the french
dear nationalist groups out there. I think it's fair to say, they've, gotten inspiration from him yeah no doubt, and that from what I can tell
there have been moments where he seems to either encourage or knowingly does not discourage these beliefs and I'm thinking of after Charlottesville. You know the
Very fine people and yeah he'll make a comment that that this is wrong. It's the wrong thing, but it's never as fervent as he does. When you know it's somebody of a different faith- yeah uh, oh
the s, somebody of color or different religion, especially I've incidents in France or Europe or other places where you happen to have had someone who is muslim, commit one of these attacks and he's all over that yeah yeah it in the strongest terms, but will not do that when it's one of these white Nationalists, it's been about six months, I believe, since the Saudis brutally executed and dismembered a journalist and Jamal Khashoggi and their their consulate- and I stumble this week, Congress voted to end US involvement in the Saudi led war in Yemen. That is put let
twenty million innocent people at risk of starvation. This week we also learned that the Saudis are about to complete construction on their first nuclear reactor, but they have yet to agree to uh.
International rules that would ensure that that technology is used for civilian purposes and not for weapons. Given the trajectory of the relationship and what we know of Mohammed Bin Salman, do you think the Saudis are still our ally? That is a very good question and um. You know. Frankly, I think that the Obama administration began to take a new look at that relationship. It's also troubling um. What we continue to find out about the relationship between
the president's family, yeah, ah and the Saudi Royal family, and so you know, I acknowledge here that I'm not privy to classified information trying to know what other information there is or how helpful they may have been um. But, right now I would say that it certainly raises the question and it's alarming uh- that Saudi Arabia would be progressing toward nuclear capacity in this way. Ah,
and there seems to be little accountability right now, yeah, I'm imagining it better on butcher to journalists who lived in the US and the
We found that they were building a nuclear reactor. I think we probably would have invaded five minutes ago. You know it it's just it's a remarkable double standard and there's just this inertia in Washington. I think that keeps us from rethinking these really.
Chips, and I'm not totally sure why well and that's why you know you wonder: is there something else there that we're not getting value? I mean that's the question
I have as somebody right now that is not prove e to that that kind of information, but what I can't say is that that that their mark March toward nuclear capacity or capability does trouble me given other circumstances, an emcee um. So as we
speak. The the chinese government is undertaking what is likely the largest mass detention of a racial or religious group. Since the Holocaust experts estimate that at least one million week
restore a muslim minority group are being held in, I guess you'd call them re education camps. Therefore,
it renounce their religion, learn Chinese Communist Party propaganda summer, reportedly being tortured and eye
struck by the fact that the world is largely silent on it, and that includes like allies of ours. Like the UK.
I don't know that there's an easy answer here, but do you have a sense of what the US should do to push them on this sort of massive human rights violation or it's an atrocity in plain sight? Well, I think
should be part of any agreements that we forge with China and our continued diplomatic relationship with them. I'm somebody that still believes that the United States has a role to play
in leading the world on what we care about freedom, democracy, opportunity and that, even though this this administration has scaled back in a big way, its leadership on human rights abuses is we actually need to restore that, and so I would find every single way that we can to apply pressure to China on this, and not only China but other
trees around the world we just saw would happen with the Sultan of Brunei, for instance, and you were in LOS Angeles today I mean there's a boycott of one.
Hotels over here right that he has an interest in we're. Calling Reza
not bad and boycotting the much hotels, yeah yeah, but I mean the fact is that something that they like it
that ain't the way it's supposed to work, the there right um. So one of the things that we need to restore is a strong voice of leadership on human rights abuses um. So President Trump has had this long back and forth with Kim Jong UN in North Korea. He had this.
I'm at the he thinks it's the store. I can Singapore, where they, you know, he came back and told us that there was no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea and that everything was soft. That's obviously not true
The negotiations seem to have fallen apart, but as
someone who who worked in government for a while, then the to see and saw a particular in the first term, the way
inertia in DC conventional wisdom can hamstring a president.
Was kind of impressed by Trump saying fuck, you guys, I'm gonna meet with him. Who cares? What's the downside I mean, I guess, I'm just curious. What you make of that
Climatic Effort- and if you thought about why sometimes in Washington, it seems so much harder to make peace and and have talks and
is to go to war. I remember you know how much um, then candidate Obama got pilloried right for saying that he would speak with people who were
quote: unquote enemies without preconditions and so forth, and you know
see here with with trout, may be a kind of a Nixon in China example smaller scale of it where, because he's seen as a tough guy on these issues, yes in some ways he can get away with more, but it shouldn't be like that right because the Prince
opal of being able to try and negotiate peace should apply no matter who you are because it's in the nation's best interest so um. Yes, I do think that that's an approach that we should take um yeah. I also see that frankly, as for me, um, I'm not part in parcel of Washington.
Two and one slash two years there. I think sometimes folks, that spend more time in Washington right the more your influence by the thinking of of Elite Washington. We shouldn't let that hamper how we go forward
Of course, what we've seen unfold in front of our eyes is that it seems like this president got played yeah, um and, in fact misled the american people about what was happening with these talks, and maybe most disappointingly, you know just from executive perspective. He does not seem to have the discipline or the energy to put the time in to understand the.
She's well enough to be prepared. One thing that you knew about President Obama is that he study those books. You know writing and he respected the people that were advising him. This president thinks that he can wing everything, and you know there's no doubt of course, that he
have some talents. He wouldn't be where he is without it, but it just seems completely in over his head and because of that now, they're actually going back and probably their breakout.
Yes, it is getting smaller and smaller, shorter and shorter. So we
we miss served by president, that is too busy insulting people on twitter or playing golf or
going to MAR a Lago instead of putting the time in to actually you get us the kind of deal that we need. Yeah, low energy Don
I made a few more nukes on his watch. Um final question for you: so whenever someone famous comes into our office and gets asked about Beyonce, it gets picked up literally everywhere,
so yeah. This is MIKE up a deal with Adidas yesterday I saw that on me about it yeah. Well, I don't know much about it. I saw the headlines right to Texas, a radio. She is Houston, Jenna Doors. I don't know what
she does. I hope Schindler's me. Okay, there we go beyond say, might endorse our castor. That's your headline out of this series and in Texas so much for coming, and it's a pleasure talking to you and and good luck, hey thanks! A lot
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