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check out the latest episode of hysteria. We're comedian activists in stepmom, Lindy West joins to talk all things: motherhood with the crew check it out and drive to hysteria wherever you listen to your podcast let's get to the news. Liz chinese The third ranking Republican in the house with one of the most conservative voting records in Congress, is on of losing her leadership posts for the mortal sin of admitting that Donald Trump lost the election tried to steal it. incited violent insurrection when he failed. Probably shouldn't run again, nor should any one who tried to help him overturned the results in response the twice impeached. One term loser called her quote: a warmongering fool who has no business in Republican Party leadership minority leader, Kevin Mccarthy, whom Paul Ryan. Look like he has a steel spine has reportedly decided to do trumps, bidding and orchestrated vote to Strip Cheney effort title as conference chair,

The news broke shortly after Mccarthy was caught unopposed, Fox and friends hot MIKE saying. This is another problem That's it. I have lost causes. I've had it with her. I've lost confidence, Dan. Here's what the man who Donald Trump nicknamed MA Kevin. Was saying about the former president just four months ago. president bears responsibility for Wednesdays attack on Congress by mob rioters. A few days after that Kevin and a hundred and forty five other has Republicans voted to keep this Cheney as conference Chair now, it seems like they have the votes to get rid of a process that could start next week. What changed? the political wins. Ultimately, made Kevin Are is not a leader by chemin imagination, he is not smart. He has brave. He is a policy expert, that his one political, skilled,

that has put him at the top of this pile of stirring idiocy. That is, the Republican Party is he has a great sense of where the political winds are going into the ability to get thereabout one nanosecond before everyone else so after he was almost murdered by a mob from supporters. He fought beat that He was going to break the trumpets I'm so he gave that speech. He defended changing and things have moved dramatically since then, and he went with them, and this is it was probably inevitable by It is, I think, a pretty important and notable moment in the long March of there can party off the close it once in Europe public until the Washington Post, that the fight straw was when the chinese fish bumped Joe Biden. His way into the his is joint session address, and apparently

is it. This is so widespread in the conference now that there is reporting that a Republican voted to impeach Donald Trump still thinks list and he should go. It's like this I think that she is embarrassing the whole party, because refuses to say that the election was stolen. That seems to be that's where the Republican Party isn't it you I mean it is. May we have known this for a long time, although many in the media optically the reporters recover Capitol Hill, wilfully, try to avoid this fact, but conservatism is not in ideology. It's an identity and the barrier of entry to be a conservative. Is your willingness to adopt racially motivated conspiracy theories for the purpose maintaining minority run this country and the fact that list any was unwilling to do that thing mean she cannot. Now we can speed up and republican leadership

She can really be in their public, important, she probably with the primary had. It will probably not run again after this and she will be cast. how to go down? Whatever former Republicans, you dont, like Donald Trump, do let's say the cabin Mccarthy instead of the spineless more on that he is was a profile and courage and decided to try to do everything he could to protect, was Cheney from being ousted as conference share. Do you think you could get away with it now? minutes. This is where the party is going. It is neither not been a speaker in the Republican Party in decades who is actually in charge the its run, the asylum and that is how it has been. The case was the case with banner the case with right he's with any Hester ends and so forth, and so he is only as strong as a majority of its members, are backing him and they all backdrop.

That is where the energy and the party as an that's, where the leadership is going to be presented. Leadership is just it's like it. It's a complete misnomer, it's an oxymoron because the job is not to leave. The job was to follow. I saw some CNN reporting this morning that Kevin Mccarthy is also very worried about potential having to testify in a potential commission that looks into the one six attacks, because if he had to testify during that commission, he would have to reveal what Trump told him on the phone call, which was. Maybe you should have tried harder to help still the election professionally and maybe someone would have played the clip that we just played where he We criticise, drop a couple days: after the attack. Really he doesn't want to put the eu- wants to pretend that never happen. So we also worried about himself here, which is also. Why are one of the other sins of was Cheney, is apparently pushing for this commission to investigate the general,

Six, the tax and she wants the commission to be made up of independent of an independent group, that's not members of Congress of politics doesn't completely get in the way, and she also why, them to look only at the one six. Back and not at the protests. going George voids murder, which is apparently what her colleagues in the house want. The commission to look at as well as the one six attack mean everything so stupid Because it really like this is, I guess I you would think that the ruling party, which is with Jamie. Had fiscal Joe Biden in the mouth should be running. Speaker right now, but because you just this, welcome in symbolism, affectionate way. She's gonna leave the party like that's the difference so What do you think it says about those Republicans that they're so wait to get rid of someone who voted with Donald Trump, ninety three percent of the time and has a lifetime score of eighty purse, add from me. I can conservative union. It's it's that

we can stand for nothing, there's. No, there is no policy agenda. There is no ideology. There is just your willingness to embrace trouble don't even think about it. So much about damage the person we'll talk about that business or the three method runs through the topics of today, but is the problem. Here is the end, Annabelle path towards, for embracing troublesome, whether Donald Trump is around or not. It is about this sort of, spiritual theory longer DIS information, authoritarianism that is the core of our public as they can hold onto putting their embrace it or you. If you break You can be in the protein if you dont, you're out and that that is where we are concerned about. Tax cuts is not about spending, it's not about entitlements on anything else. Then I think the thing here. is for everyone has to recognise it for what it is now. Is like watching. It's like this to differ. Rules between reading the coverage of what happening with this chain

and the fact that she is being kicked out, as you said, for not put chickens. A conspiracy theory the thing she wants to tell the truth about its nodded, the merits of Joe Biden plans or that maybe affordable, correct works, or that the array wasn't a bad idea. What she wants to tell the truth about is the fact that Republicans lied about the election. Donald Trump is that why a mob of supporters went to capital, hole to murder, Republicans and democratic members of Congress yourself truth about that in doing so. That is a mortal sin and the party- and you have an if you are one of those reporters like men, Binds, maybe get a police reform deal origin Moreover, in on infrastructure or a worldwide. Why not? The unity? One party has lost its fucking mind if you are not willing to call that out and see the grave dangerous threat that represents, then you should be covering politics should be talking about. Politics should be involved in politics, because you're missing the forest for the trees

We know this. We tolerances back ass all the time, but this should be one of those moments where they daughter of a tutor. Vice president, who was essential, the avatar of NEO conservatism gets tough the Party Mitt Romney, the twenty of nominee of the party also member of the republican royalty brood off this day each at a convention in Utah, not message you talk. That is a sign of something deeply sick in the party that is a threat to democracy, not just a demo rats or anyone else knew how it has to be covered as such discussed as such oils. Gets. The party is not organised around ideology anymore, right leg. Reporters in the media are still in the general mindset that you describe someone who is more extreme as more right wing and conservative and someone who is more moderate as less extreme because they held a set of policy views. Polish, reviews policy, Suppose ideology as traditional understood, does not drive there.

Working party anymore. It drives some of the older establishment that is still in Congress. It perhaps drives, some of Mitch Mcconnell decisions- maybe not definitely does it definitely drives some Mitt Romney views. Mitt Romney has not become some some moderate. You know over the last couple years, just because he's Oppose Donald Trump Mitra at any. We can see this in law. The policy debates that are unfolding in Congress, Mitt Romney still extra the conservative thereof, most issues, we disagree with Miss run. Mitt Romney that's, not what what's organizing the Republican Party anymore. What's organizing the Republican Party is simply power. This point. What what are they all talk about all day like they're, not talking about the legislation there introducing their ship? was being online like they're, trying to own liberal their talk about cancel culture rate like these are all the things that Dr Republicans things that legislation doesn't necessarily solve right: the legislation that they care about the most as legislation making sure the Democrats have a hard time voting

I didn't mean it it's not about like they don't they have passion for cutting taxes, anymore, that are even a passion for cutting care like Paul Ryan Use do anymore. They have no passion for any of these policies. Their passion is to put Democrats in there. Place to hold on to power. However, they possibly can that's it. Tat made the most at we know where we sort of satellite The economy is the most important policies. Yours, I think, voters care about the problem for Republicans is Party is concisely, divided on economic issues. Large portions of their base oppose cuts. The Medicare large for to their base oppose got so. Security are forcing the bit of the base support. Fifteen dollar minimum wage in. So, if you talk about the economy, if you talk about the party, organized around this idea of supplies economics, smaller government reining in entitlement sort of Reagan, objects that has not been popular for ever. with anyone restructure the republican base and therefore they cannot talk about their policy agenda

but they also keen abandon their policy genetic as they were. They continue to depend on corporations wealthy interests to fund the party. So there is the vote and the donors are at loggerheads. So what do you do? You talk about anything other than a policy agenda and when you do that you're organizing, principal becomes your willingness to adhere to insane culture, our like conspiracy, theory, The big lie- and I think this has tremendous consequences- is welcome. Forward right, like a lot of the coverage, has focused on sort of reach, integrating what happened after the last election. Talking about the insurrection talking about I'm trumps Tempteth steal the election, but this has a lot of implications for the future, because it republicans take the house in twenty twenty two, which is very possible. We talked about this a lot here that they have structural advantage going into the next mid term, no, how well Democrats and Joe Biden are doing a bit of a popular. The president is balanced.

Feel abandoned going with us if they, if they win the house, then they are doing. Is you have a House republican Conference now trying You purge people who are telling the truth about Donald Trump attempt to steal the last election and will go We try to attempt to steal the next one, so what happens. When we have another close by central election and twenty twenty four and we have a public house, in suddenly it's not just a few members here and there who were vote. To not certify the election in trying to return it, but you actually have. A majority of the party that is controlling the House of Representatives now saying: ok, election was close enough. we're. Gonna say: Workin refused to certify the selection, and now you have chaos. That is the danger of what's happening with was Jamie here and it's much bigger than like any and of personality clash between the in Cheney and tramp in the last election. It is about the house, looks as we have

into the mid terms? And then, ultimately, the twenty twenty four election, I think, is very dangerous and I think it sort of an undercover point, as people are talking about this. Ultimately, I'm not a fan of illustrating or any any frankly without achieving like, while weird while You can't tell before everyone comes around, takes before a certain segment of the internet comes round his Democrats embrace Chinese. Now I don't give a shit about this an international even really care that my father she's in Congress or not or leadership markets the problem. Is it that we, coming from, One dissenting voice desire dissenting voices is that there are no. Basically there was only one. Does anybody that's the bigger problem? She had no influence or change to it, but it Her removal should be noted a sort of a mile marker on the path to where you say we're headed and another warning sign to be more deaths. We tried to normalize is very abnormal party. Any understanding the danger to democracy that come because of it if things are not, can be that much worse,

than they were before with you replace Cheney with Stefanik bite It's a reminder of just how bad they are. I think difference between running against Republicans, with abhorrent Paul see views who are willing to accept the results of an election. They lose or running again Republicans with a port policy views who are not willing to accept the results of an election. They lose that's the defence. If that's the difference and like you don't like you that you're, the love was Cheney I'd. Rather, we have to be running against Republicans with abhorrent policy views that will accept the results of an election. Otherwise, this whole thing fuckin falls apart that hard to understand republican leaders from Trump on down one replace training with New York, Congresswoman least stefanik she's not nearly as conservative, his Cheney and factories more of a moderate who only voted with Trump seventy eight percent of the time, but, of course, like we just as the only three votes of herds that really count

the two votes against impeachment and the one vote in favour of overturning the election. Stefanik checks all if those boxes- and she also happens to be one of the absolute most shameless politicians, party, where that attribute is the price of admission. big fan, then how about you really a emerging star, the Republican Party? She is the biggest fuckin phony I mean I like Elise defined. for though I know people who knew her at Harvard she was friends with friendly. With P Buddha judge at Harvard part of that class. She was. She was a moderate she'd like coal that in our bed, with Jean Jehanne ones, reaches my person like what does it say about the Republican Party that a moderate Harvard grad, decided that her best career move was to try. Hope, Donald Trump Steel and election, I mean It says everything, mother of a working party think about just

as always, you understand what a politician going to do now to look at their incentive structure, brok Lama want her districts and she doesnt twelve Donald Trump. One of my well digits in sixteen twenty? then you out. On top of that, that she had a sort of moderate persona. She had no real juice in the republican Party. She got a lot of like profiles from political and others, but terms of acts. We'll power and influence, basically none and then it's, not just that, you voted against from sufficient his bed. She. Put on a perform hence defending tromp at the german hearings that coffee dash of Trump and Trump world than she raised a gazillion dollars, right afterwards is. She became sort of a star of the Maghreb Movement and sort of double the triple datum, because she was chasing the attention that clicks. the donations and that's where all of the incentive goes in it's not for if you're thinking, this impure nihilist

Ec terrible cynicism is not a crazy choice because now she's about to be the number three person in power no end of rude. If she had gone the other way, She would be probably already announced or retirement from Congress, because she's about to beat prime worried by some our guest on Steve banning, show ad would be sort of courting a meagre MSNBC contributor contract like that's those were rejoicing. Nobby, look, there's theirs a number of mega stars that have completely drank to collate and believe all this stuff right. They just then a hundred percent on the temporary and then there's p like an end. People say that Matt Gates, this category two, that people, along with Savannah people who knew them way back when know that absolutely understand that all of this shit is bullshit. They are actually understand that all of the trunk stuff is bullshit, and they are purely in this to advance

their careers. That's gates, that's define. It gets a whole, especially some of these younger republicans who people new back in the day as much more moderate figures and, like you talked about Mccarthy, political when they see where the political ones are blowing, and it is you either fully and its trump ism and fully embrace sort of the authoritarian direction of the report. and party or You'd, like you, said, you'd, get be by a Democrat. Your kicked as conference chair or no one cares about you, so the only path in their public to success. The only incentives are to be as crazy as fuck, possible now and deserted, embrace this new authoritarianism and the party, or at least the authoritarian, that's taken over it over the Trump years, and that's it that's it so she's. So she was as we're. Accordingly, she was just on Steve banning Show Stephen. Unless we heard from the abandoned he was called Four Anthony folks you to be beheaded. last year from Steuben an elite The Baltic is on his show this morning

they're saying that one in every four votes and fallen county we're fraudulent in Georgia. Every that's what you think she knows better than this I think when you sort of look back at people awake at least the fabric. You look it somebody like Adam so Adam Putnam. For those who don't know was this republic. In Congress, man conservative by the change efficient preserve it was like a very young age, worked his way up the Republican Party leadership, laughed ran. statewide office in Florida became sector of agriculture. Commissioner, what happens called with the goal of running for governor when Rick Scott was he had the support of all the establishment. He put his whole career. His whole life to run for Governor Authority was a trumps sceptic. Establishment Republican, conservative Heritage Foundation, conservative. Roger scientists runs one add wary basically sucks after Donald Trump does this every teaches kid. How to say magpie in all this,

stuff trumpet so the Santa Anna Putnams Curs over. So Europe is to find a cure. A young person trying to make occur there public order. You look about. You say I got one choice in one choice: only and that is to embrace Trump ISM or I'm gonna end up truck doing something else, and that that is where we are in this sort of aid, If this out more than hurts about where the party is coming, we're all the incentives, push it so One thing that is slowing trumped down is the fact that he's been banned from most social media platforms on Wednesday, Execrate bergs private Supreme Court is that's that of our disturb. You now ruled that, while Facebook is justified in suspending Donald Trump account in the wake of the January sixth riot, that Benny has six months to set clear. Standards for this type of action and whether to set a specific timeline for Trump suspension or to just shut down his account permanently Oversight Board, which Mark litter, really calls his supreme court. We're just make a joke. Here. Is a Facebook, funded twenty per

Global Committee of experts and areas ranging from free speech to human rights and journalism. Facebook is legally bound to their decision. so they say they are bound by the rules that they have all made up, but The oversight board did right that in this case quote, if a head of state or high government official has repeatedly posted messages that pose a risk of harm under international, human rights norms, Facebook Shit, spend the account for a period sufficient to protect against imminent harm so our Supreme Court, threw back in March lap. What did you think of the decision? We? You surprised, I was amused Big heads up Facebook went through this as you point out this incredibly elaborate intricate process to basically slough offer. that's about someone so that you can guess marked Where's goal I think it's your anger, no embedded, but in reality just to Ankara We want to recycle wakes up. Let someone else make the decision. This board

Was created an organised and funded and all this elaborate rules and was the fucking constitutional convention? and then they were just like nope and they threw that potato back in his lap and now he's gotta make the decision again so that was, I guess: enjoyable, But it is, but it was a pot right, everyone punted. So we're pointed to this fact Corky created they put it back And we're gonna be right back here in some number of months waiting for decision to come. What do you think about this over a board on a scale of bullshit it is. the scale of whether it put bullshit. But that's not really the point If your company is big enough to create a global Supreme Court akin to deny editions, your company is way too big to be held to account and should be broken. We get our countries, I have two Supreme courts, we got the Roberts Corps in D C and they

at the Zagreb Court Menlo Park, we need anything. It is that we got it should be exhibit a The antitrust case against Facebook. look I'd. So you know that Facebook will say is so They. They have this trust, so it's funded through this trust. There's no financial commingling after they have set up the board. There's no communication between the board and Facebook allowed, while they're making a decision All of the members are you an assertive independent. Of course they are selected by Facebook, but You know the Oversight board so far has ruled on a lot of cases, but in most of the cases where they ruled, with the exception of yesterday's with Trump there have sort of overturn the decision Facebook has made, which also says you know there, there's someone independent from the board, so I have I have no reason to believe that the board itself is not acting in good faith in the dust, that they made. But your point is the more important one threat which is like the the very existence of the Oversight Board, as opposed to,

regulations that come from the government that is elected by the people is But that tell you everything you need to know right there like, if the, whether it comes from the court, the court, which is ridicule, as it did yesterday word from Zagreb office as it will in a few Since the fact The decision is of such great consequence. That is why by millions of people around the world that it is seen as this massive. We massive pivot point in it in politics is a sign that the companies to influential right- that is the problem. If any single corporate decision is such a big deal, it's a sign, the core nation is gained through much power, and we should do something about that, and that is thing much bigger than whether Donald Trump us on the platform. How much do you think a permanent ban would matter if trumped up to run again from too

print standpoints, one from fund raising, in the other, from simply getting his message out. well, let's start with his message, which is it doesnt matter raised on the platform. Would it be a little more helpful to be able to pick on content, but you the ten top reforming lake person. Spock Organization Knights yesterday. Look: it's always a very tight contest between Dan Bonn, GINO Adventure periods, so so yesterday, posts number one. Two and three were frog bench pick up the tab. and also included to possibly a bunch you now to post for news, one from shine. Hannity and Congratulations to Rachel mapped out for coming a number ten in breaking up. good from out and so Trump ISM is run amok, Donald Trump, like I think the ban is important, because is he broke? The rules

Blue broke, the role should be held accountable. There should be exceptions for world leaders. The people who should be most held account is not some random dentists down the street. It's the person whose, posts are viewed by knowing its people that can lead to. Oh, I don't know in assault on the ice, its capital and so should be upheld by I think we're sort are missing. The point here which Their trip has a page nine trump ISM just run amok on Facebook is a is constantly pumping dangerous disinformation into the EU. just about vaccines about the election. All of that is happening on Facebook the travellers on there or not, and so there I think it's the bigger challenge here that Does it really matter whether Trump is on there The other thing I'd say is think of the competition we just had. Donald Trump is basically, absent from our lives in many ways, but he's not pouring gasoline on a raging media fire he's not tweeting

people he has lost his job as nations. Simon editor the Republicans are about to dump. Where's Cheney, Donald Trump. He he is more influential in politics now than it was before. Tromp Islamism Movement is stronger now than it was before in from Spain for social media, so that You tell us that what is happening, is something much bigger than one man in weather. That person can post at their own behest, it is something much bigger than that. Will it also tells you something very important about the silos that were, and specifically the information silo in which the Republican Party and republican voters find themselves like the Whether or not Donald Trump is the report. We can now many and twenty twenty four depends on two things: Donald Trump himself and republican voters. Right republican voters, get to say here and wait. Can voters get all their news and information from from Belgium

euro a day and Bonino and Fox NEWS and all the bullshit that's on Facebook and all the bullshit. That's on you to write, and so there is the closed information environment which they operate, which is also by the way like it is it, is fantastic. The Donald Trump is not nations. Aside any more, I love that he's not on Twitter. I love that we do have to think about him all the time but again keep saying this is a false sense of security here that he is somehow gone, because we are not experiencing trump ism on a day to day basis when we come in contact with the media, but the entire Republican Party and republican voters, which are the ones who get the say in whether Donald Trump becomes the nominee there their seeing at every single day, We should also add so silly everytime, you, you know a reporter tweets statement of tramper. You know know it,

T something people on Twitter like don't amplify him, don't amplifying isn't fuckin matter row like republican voters are main lining the stuff, everyday and they're the ones who get to decide whether he's the nominee again, and so I trump has a propaganda network in Fox and propagate. funnel and Facebook to get his message out and that's all he needs and neither of those things are going away. So to the second part of your question if tromp runs for president, I am hundred percent, confident that Facebook or put him back on the platform. Of course. What matters more more than heat, whether he can pose his statements on Facebook or pose videos of a species. What matters whether has access to the ad platform, So one of two things can happen there. There can give him access the platform where they're going to get rid of political ads. so he will not. Facebook will not disadventure when you look at all. The various things at Facebook did in their tat, help tromp review into fact. Check adds basically giving him dispensation for dispensation. There are all

he's doing things in favour of Republicans and part of that I think, is this very mental sense of. both sides is that I think plagues. Mark Zuckerberg. But it's also because faced user base the most republican of any social media? reputed to study a few months ago, which looked at How much republics the democratic social media Democrats overwhelmingly you social anymore than up against, Israel is nineteen percent. More democratic twitter. Fifteen percent more democratic facebook is only three percent, more democratic, so worked up is not going to do something to upset Evil sees as fifty percent of its user base and the people who keep deleting spoken, walking away. Our Democrats is Republicans. You keep signing up for staying on the public. So I think we know where this is ending if he runs for president. You have just voted to figure out like what standard they would have to keep him off right. They would have to say see were is anyone.

continues to spread, lies about asked election or or question results of the last election can't be on Facebook great, but if they do that they have to kick a whole bunch of people office let the whole republican break so they'll. they could do a narrower thing, which is to say so long as he doesn't incite. Violence used language that incite violence. He can sound, which of course, is easy. for him to abide by even is out there today still talking about how the last election was stolen from him, and the Supreme Court should have overturn dead. My pension overturned it all the language. That, in fact, is what incited the violent insurrection in the first place so because they can't figure out what the exact standard, as you know, for sure, Maybe now we don't know for sure, but you can guess that they might throw their hands up and say. Okay, if you running for president, he could end up being was he had states. We have to let him back on you. I mean we talked about Steve Bannon Interview with the least fabric which,

is on Facebook because, after calling for the beheading of Anthony's algae, he still on Facebook, they did Madame for so there is no standard here. The decision will be reverse engineer in a way that allows them to appease half their user base. That's what's gonna happen. So since tromp was banned from just about every social media platform. His team has been hinting at the former president launch his own communications platform and boy have they delivered. On Monday Donald Trump launched a block as many people- and I have noted this blog- is basically a scene directly out of the office. There's a clip. I remember my blood W w w dot creed thoughts, DOT, gov that W W W Backslash Creed thoughts check it out last year, Creed asked me how to set up a blog wanting to protect the world from being exposed Two creeds brain I open up

we're document on his computer and put an address at the top. I've read some of it even for the internet. It's pretty shocking. Now, in fairness, Trumps blog is connected to the internet, but We all it does is encourages supporters to copy paced. His blog message is to twitter is this solution just to genius for us to really understand what that guy? I think that I think that's right and we were we're making huge mistake by laughing at this two thousand and five blog that he has left the person I want to laugh at is the fox reporter. Who was pitched this story? Wrote it up with Tromp lodge is new communications platform myself. breaking news alert as I was. all these reports, the trunk was gonna, buy parlor relaunch his own parlor competitor put an extra to build an actual social we have often was like we ve, been

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ECHO has a New York Times peace. This week. That argues the census. Data reveals two important points about our current political landscape. First, voters of color up an increasing percentage of the union It states electorate that has thanks man only to the growing share of Latinos Asian Americans in their non black multiracial voters. That is why the electorate is diversifying cause of those groups. Second, this increasing regional diversity isn't doing quite as much to help Democrats, liberals hope or to hurt Republicans as much as conservatives fear and that's because Diverse population growth is happening in redder states like Texas and Florida were Democrats, don't win non white, voters by the same margins. They do everywhere else. For example, Texas in Florida would have actually gone to Biden if Letty in those states, voted like what

knows in New York or Illinois what we mean by that so vote latina voters in Texas in Florida, much like white voters in Texas, are more conservative. Then Latinos. In New York or Illinois. Just like white voters are more conservative than white It is in New York in Illinois. Now did Biden still win guillotine vote in texts in Florida. Yes, not merely as much as he did in Illinois. In New York. Now, of course, like white Hers in Texas in Florida still voted four Donald Trump by huge margins right. That was like the big reason that he one but the point that that NATO is making from the dad. Is that Latinos and non white voters in general. In some of these redder states, these redder swing states happened to be more conservative, which is why the diversifying electorate is not helping. Democrats like they thought

can also argues that, while increased regional diversity probably provided binds winning margin in Arizona Nevada in Georgia, The main reason he one state like Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, which haven't grown more diverse over time, is because trot actually lost ground among white voters between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty so the interesting bear it thing there is, if, if Biden had just one, Arizona, Nevada in Georgia, which he did when because of a more diversifying electorate, or at least that's what really helped him in those states still would have been enough to carry the practice the presidency because of electoral college, you still would have needed Pennsylvania, Michigan or Wisconsin, and that scenario and the real the Bible one. That is because he made up some ground with white voters. Do you think and that needs read of the data is correct here and if so, what are the implications. it is certainly correct in the prison which is discussing it,

I think you can't have this conversation without acknowledging what it countries really saying is that with in the constraints of are anti democratic political system, the disproportionately awards power too, voters who disproportions for Republicans this rope. what you are doing better than they thought If we lived in a political system where there was national, popular vote, where universal ballot access without gerrymandering without the geography take biases of the Senate. There this diversification be overwhelmingly helping cuban Democrats is why what he's really saying is the gap between the popular vote strike. democratic control strengthen Republicans is growing there, and you can look at that micro way of who that jobs in the election and definitely makes things easier for Republicans and Democrats. But you're missing? In that case, the much bigger point, which is our democracy, is being further strained ass. Additional is its beak

easier and easier for a shrinking most The white conserve minority to elect people in a country defined by a growing progressive, diversifying majority, and that's Bigger issue here I think you just have to acknowledge when you have this conversation is that we are accepting a premise: of elections with voter suppression with gerrymandering with intellectual college, obviously is very if not impossible, to change, but his deep, we problematic yet because, for example, Democrat, gains among non white. Voters have been concentrated in the major cities of big and non competitive states. So weird, supplying like it is held. Democrats- it's you know me. LOS Angeles or San Francisco or Chicago more liberal, more bluer and that doesn't really help you in the electoral college and because Happening is only the other day it tells you is where you live and weather

a college degree can maybe tell us just as much about how you voted, then your racial background, which is something that has started happening over the last several decades and so that its just we're not just Polaroid by race anymore, were polarized by geography and education, and so some of those things can can interact here. what what are like Democrats do what what? What are the implications for democratic strategy up one other why not just on the analysis which sort of bedevil Does this discussion and so much discussion about the role that eighteen o voters play? in twenty in elections were probably, is It is a very diverse community different. Geography differs by ground and so having this like, what do you do about latina? Voters is just the wrong way to have the conversation right and use people who do a lot of politics in Florida. You know he's really worked on this one and we work for a presidency maze you when you like

Florida. You think. There's cuban voters here, there's vote of their puerto rican voters in Orlando. Anyone you think about that. The diversity within the latino community, when we talk about tax nationally? We do not do that and so the best would have this conversation is to do it with a much finer points and look at their and think about it. That way, suppose it just trying to treat the community is a model, so think. That's a mistake, yeah look, and we have talked to chuck broker about this on the pod and careless audio, and you know the Tina strategists latino pollsters and they will say the same thing and I think for other people. You note saying letting a committee is very diverse. Those ok! Well, that's why you know trumpeted much better The cuban vote in Florida, but it goes far beyond the Cuban about like There- are just dozens of different communities with different political beliefs and backgrounds within latino community, and so just

by the way there is in among white voters to write like there is plenty of diversity and in beliefs and ideology. My voters, we talk about the difference between you know why borders with the college degree, white, voters Non college degree, there's a giant gap there, in terms of politics, and you are starting to see more of that same gap among, but but he no community, the asian American Community and its keeping a little bit into the black community, though not as much as some other non white voters. I think in terms of democratic strategy, adding step for all of us, is to recognise the very dark storm clouds on the horizon. Its very easy to use. Maybe the theme of August is very easy to be. happy trumps or Facebook just or a laugh at the absurdity of Kevin Mccarthy dumping this Cheney and sort of behaviour enemies are fighting each other by despair. Binds massive popular vote margin. He. barely one against

deeply unpopular candidate who lit himself on fire for the last six weeks of the campaign here, covert ever did everything wrong and still one and a half. The Republicans have the house, as you say, they know possible when their when house? Look if you're sitting right right here right now, without passing age or one without pushing back on partisan gerrymandering, its probable, the Republicans. What else where we have to recognise that an end be prepared as those of the Senate. We think this is a great Senate map. Is it not really beat it is better than we ve had british years, but we have to do in Arizona in Georgia. We barely one those seeds before and it is much harder to vote. No states and twenty twenty two there wasn't twenty twenty. The we have to win, or other opportunities are good in was got any Pennsylvania, but those restated Biden barely one and

Senate, Democrats, underperform bite and in many cases are across country. It is but we have a chance to beat marker Rubio in Florida, but it just now a hundred vote in Florida. As of today, as if it was it obvious enough. Randy, they're just sign this bill live on Fox inference like that is the player it. So do I think, sort of three things here, none of which are easy, and I'm not saying that bind White, ALS, Dnc other that the US is the others are not fully aware of they definitely are. We have to passage or one product for that, but we have to pass it too We have two: let's move onto this scenario, where we don't passage. Our well well well, I think it's a binary choice on the votes of mercosur What happens if we don't ask? What we're fucked so he went on operating environment, let's just say where far

where we have, we have to have a lower. I say that because I want people to understand that if your mentioned does stand in the way it is not, and we can't get it done. It is not like. Now, everyone take their toys and go home. We just have to fuck and fight that much harder and I have very well maybe a scenario that we face and we just have to be prepared for that scenario, and I think I think that means is we end this to the credit of Joe Biden Sea has found a policy agenda and a message that is broadly appealing to. Tromp voters, large portions of them, shockingly fortunes, given the formation of an american society support? which are binding is doing. He has also found a message that divides republican Party aggressively, and you saw the gusto with which he discussed it at all, media veil yesterday, I think about taxing the corporations and hats having piquet joy fight over taxes. All of that sort of comes down to what we need to do is develop a set of,

wedge. Issues that divide the Republican Party base from Europe and that is very possible because they are so so divided on economic issues, Ed think. This is what I would sort of its easy to be like. Why don't you don't you like? We're not gonna convinced the people, the mega diner into the foxes. Yours forget that Here's what I want to I want to have the Democrats have a narrative about the Republicans that is such that, it tries to move us not from to move always people into the democratic camp don't worry? I can do that in once. I thought I could do an amateur Can we go Republican turn out among strictly rulings? Urban areas from these white Non college voter down to Romney lovers, have trouble apples if we get them down around new levels in we hold onto our gains,

with the murmurs others that we will keep the house and we will take the same. But that is the first. After getting people to in our party and support. Us is to explain to them why they should support the party there currently supporting and That is where we That is the message we need as we're all of the intellectual energy in the party needs to go figuring out. What sort of economic message that is evocative enough: visceral enough. and delivered with enough decent when and repetition can begin to have energy achievement. I'd like I want you convince republican voters at the Republican Party is not for them. Then we, convince them to become Democrats, but let's start with that, one. as in the lesson here, as it is, dangers and wrong for Democrats to assume that Non Voters are going to vote. Democrat based on their race. We can't do that. Like they're, there has been this sort of debate

where you know some Democrat dredged will say. Ok, we ve got to appeal to some people who voted for Trump and then other strategies. Activists will say no. We can't do that because it's just a bunch of you know Noncolor educated white, racists, you vote for Donald Trump. Am we to do is to boost turn out on our side register. My voters will, of course, we need to boost turnout register. My voters that's incredibly important to any strategy we do. To that we lose also, but behind that is this idea that if we Have the more diverse party we have a diversifying electorate that new Atinas who were in the electorate, new Asian Americans knew now my voters, if we just sign them up- and they vote, will automatically vote Democrat and that's just not the case. You still have to make a case to these you still have to persuade them to vote Democrat and the fact is, as we ve seen from this data and from the last election as you no further south. As you go into these republican states, you get,

or conservative attitudes from some non white voters now are dammit. still winning looking but yeah, there's so winning sixty sixty five percent of the latina vote private than they did in twenty twenty. That's great Latinos end real stillborn darker, that's fantastic, but like take, Joe Biden wins Georgia, Arizona and Nevada right an end, and he winds those states partly because of a diversifying electorate. What we just said states are enough to hit two. Seventy You got a win. Wisconsin Pennsylvania Michigan. Now, let's say you look at those through state and say you know what those states are diversifying it's too hard this too many non college white voters here, the Republicans we just can't persuade them they're just to trompe. Let's give up so what's exit, you have the wind to get to do. Seventy, then you got away Texas. What happen Texas into in twenty two. we haven't taxes, twenty is that Joe Biden improved his book,

payments over Hilary among white voters, specifically college educated white voters in the suburbs, but He did worse than Hilary among a lot of latino voters in Texas, because but innovators in Texas, dont, think like within our voters in Illinois, New York, because it diverse community, and so you go as a Democrat and make the case to those we're communities that voted for Donald Trump by huge margins. And you have to treat them just as you would every other voter, and this is what we mean when we say that vote You shouldn't divide borders into turn out targets and persuasion targets every voter is persuasion, target and. You know every democratic strategists, pollster poster that we're and latino communities that work with other communities of color strategies that work with Democrats in states and boost its. They will all tell you the same thing, and so much of this debate is just like. Unproductive, when what we should be trying to do is figure out. Ok, we have two, even

In order to win now we have to win over voters. white and non white voters who have more conservative attitudes we're not gonna work. we're trump fans, we're gonna whenever the people at the rallies, but people have more conservative attitudes than we do. We are going to have to win over in order to hold power in a countermine your tyrian system, that we find ourselves? That is just the reality of the situation, and so we have to figure out what those voters think We have to figure out what messages persuade the voters, and we have to go make our Khaistan call right. I meant anything. I guess I got your message. but then my one addendum to your very persuasive argument would be. We also need it as a part of that process. We have to be more sensitive attuned to this information campaigns are happen in spanish language. Thoroughness a why that is on. That is not everything writers, imagination, the broader trends, you point exactly right by the

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The foreign centre. Welcome back! Thank you. It's going to be back John, it's good to have you. you write a lot about your presidential campaign in this book, which I was particularly interested in, because I voted for you- Yeah and I voted for you in the California primary when it looks like you work in a way because I just believe you'd make the best. President. But as you say in the book A lot of voters in twenty twenty were focused on Elect ability which, for you boil down to two incredibly frustrating questions, can a progressive and in kind of woman, when have you thought about because I've thought about this, how future presidential candidates can either change or overcome that dynamic gets an let's talk about how and what's grounded

and where we are right at this moment have to stop to remember, though the twenty twenty point, I was really run and twenty nineteen m what's happened since early twenty twenty pandemic or racial reckoning. Armed insurrection. We now a new president and we have passed. The biggest rescue package In the history of the nation, very much like king two thousand and eight the lesson was when we, things were all shaken up when things from breaking apart. There is the opportunity for change. People are no longer in the well. This is how it's always been now they're willing to try the what Do we need to try to do here? I think that all that happened in the last year. Hedge

changed the world for all of us, but I think it's also were progressives are in this world. Think about it. This way, Joe Biden In the general election real and very programme agenda he ran on an aggressive role for government Hey, that's a miser, no, didn't, because it met the moment. That was what America wanted and needed. It was a different moment from the moments that preceded it: So Joe Biden was talking about tat, build back better, which giant infrastructure. He was talking child care and care giving economy Universal childcare very progressive. He was talking about taxing multi million errors, billionaires, enjoy corporations so He had a lot of the basic build blocks of our programme if agenda right there,

when he was talking to the american people. He then gets elected and goes on in that first rescue package by the way included. one billion dollars for child care. money to go straight into our public schools he had already put in place, suspend it is true that one debt payments, which has a five billion dollar a month click show. It was already her arm, and so I think of this, and this is what I talk about in persist. I try to make the case about help personal policies. What we got right or wrong in Washington, touches your life trial here you gotta Newberry right touches your life personally of tax, your opportunity, and then make the case for here or there. or building block pieces.

We need going forward and then my final, with John it, because this matters personally, I hope, you'll be in the fight to do you think The Joe Biden has gotten away with. Having a more progressive agenda and pushing for a more progressive agenda because he was perceived as a moderate, like I maybe but I also think that the progress if policies or to stay in popular correct stop apologizing. For this I mean oh, very well, The progressive want to do that. Stood America wants to do so. talk about the wealth tax write You know my view on the wealth tax. Here's this idea. I have to put attacks in place on fortunes above

fifty million dollars, if fifty million our story, gonna pitch into since two cents for every dollar. Over that you get to, billion air and pitch in a little bit more. That is popular party. You're, not just among Democrats but among Republicans and independence. So so my view on this his Part of the problem is that we can put that stuff out there to help people vote on it. Can it out there put it out in front of people and people like it bowed What is it about? The you see all these ballot initiatives with progressive policies on passing in some pretty states right. Minimum wage in Florida is part of our over fifty percent, and yet we lost the governor, on twenty two and lose Florida and twenty twenty medicate expansion is getting past and some very deep red states anyway,

the democratic candidates who run their dont, when what do you think the gap is between the candidates? That sometimes Democrats put and the policies which you say, especially some of these progressive economic, policies which are super popular partly- and I dont want up gonna find anybody specifically? Can we do this generically? We can do to Amerika We mean Democrats who are willing to run on a strong, progressive agenda who are we to be full throated Katy Porter yeah runs in Orange County in a district that literally had never afflicting the Republican from the time district had been formed. Katy didn't run as much mouth on the one hand and on the other and I'll try to pick up some from over here and some that's. Rather they are no they got out there. I told her. Give em a reason to vote for you,

tell him what you'll do, if Bell alike, to and by God, Ali dies exactly what Katy stone and She not only made an encumber republican in what, by The ordinary measure would be a very rare district. Now I get the demographics. Or changing some of the district snarling that its She ran for real action having shown on what she do. Having shown in the fight she'd get in. She turned around and by a large margin and look at good Arizona where increasing taxes to pay for education pair asked bright, look colorado problem state by most measures where pain. Emily leave you know. It's just get it out there and tell people.

I will fight for this. I think that's what people are looking for. That's why Only persist. Don't get I'm fight for these things, it's funny that recent vanessa- because I remember you know one Katy porter- was running for the first time and she did run on his very progressive platform I heard you is also getting a lot of advice from consultants. Like you got. A really run is as a suburban mom with you with your superior soccer mom in your van it, and it was this tension and you sort of talk about this the impossible woman trap in in the book and how women have to run. You talk about running in Hilary shadow. What advice would you give to the women who might feel like she's running in your shadow and comes to you for advice, to make policy personal. So I talk about in this book. Up when I got fired.

for being pregnant and was my job I had in my lifetime and that was to be a special education teacher, as all I'm out on my family, and I get this crazy idea to go to law school at nothing my family's graduated from college. Now, I'm gonna go to law school and you know me I start planning. So I have my whole list and I checked out where I can go and what the two additional cost bind Us State University Rutgers that I a Ford I'm really down to things like how mileage I get on the car, so I can work out a budget and that's the kind of planner I am on that list childcare because I a little one who's, not yet two years old and you can't take up. Two year old to class with you.

I start looking for child care, and I think this is one of the periods from Hell in my life. every child care place that I know tat. They were at eight hands over. They were day It cost a brazilian dollars. If I can't afford it- and it was near by it- had a waiting list that was two years long, it was just one thing after another after another- and I I tell story very personally about an ox roundabout literally the last week. Five days it followed her child, her I'm gonna go back to school, I'm just that's it over, and I made it through. I found a woman who was just opening the Santer. I tell the point: story that she only takes dependable potty train train children. I've got

five days to dependable putting a two year old daughter, but I health is story to given Mister Hale of how hard it can be but also to try when spire more women to IRAN to get on and because the fight for child care is one as a nation. If we were we believe and equal opportunity We really believe in branching out everybody gets a chance to finish there. education, everybody gets chance. Atta job, everybody gets a chance to take that promotion, then by galling That's got to include Mama's and an eye and some daddy's. Some daddy's are worrying about this as well, but here s the thing healthcare? Knowing knock me off the track? Is I talk about the book twice

By the time, always thirty years old, we have got back on Sunday? Maybe not it nearly knocked. My daughter the track a generation later and if we don't bank change, it will knock my granddaughter off the track If she decides to have babies, so I think this- it is We were saying earlier door is open to crack. We can make changes all this going on in Washington now is the time to push and make this change was made. the change on child care, we need to make a change round student ones. We need to make a change round wealth tax we need to make it personal so that we can make those connections for people get more people elected

because we think these and the changes we will make and they're not abstract. These are changes that will touch your life So too big ways to make change right now, president has executive authority and there's Congress start with the president. You been, saying bind to cancel fifty thousand dollars in student debt. Do you believe you'll? Do it I'm sure hope so, I'm pushing Chuck humor is pushing you know. Chuck has been a toe rhythmic alyosha he is a true believers I gonna Presley is pushing and the nice thing about this everybody's pushing. the reminder cancelling stood alone there is good, obviously into actually, but good for our country. It Is a racial equity issue as well. You will understand the back story on why

have so much wealth inequality in this country and much of it because of crow laws, are laws that prevented African Americans from buying homes and building up wealth in that way, but that gets to the point where we are today where Africa kids are more money to go to college, far more money laundering college and have a heart. time pang at off when they get out of college I'll, give you shot one stand on us to do a zillion bulk, everyone. I'm glad you're sitting down, because this is one that, just as it should just knock us over. Twenty years after you, ve borrowed still wonder the typical white for Students who borrowed money has five percent of alone left ago. The inn is in sight. If you can see it out there.

What are you years out? The typical whack student still owes ninety five percent of the original debt amount. It will be there until for many of them. They die and when you are loaded with student loans, their wages, the numbers now show you don't start families you, don't you dont by car, you don't buy homes and and the big what you don't start small businesses so we want that entrepreneurship. We want our country to be productive one way to do it was London, Joe Biden could do it with a stroke of the pen, so I'm pushing chucks pushing and were asking people all over. The country help us push help us get this done. What else should them? President Biden do with his executive

priority that he hasn't yet done. I declare climate change an emergency A national emergency and that will provide real resources yeah it unlocks things happen start pushing for on his own. Manufacture drugs The federal government has the power, and so many of these drugs did you step in and put out contracts in fact, for them, you know the same way we put out contracts. bill battleships put out contracts to manufacture drugs. like insulin, Epping Pins, HIV Aids drugs do that in order to fix it we know cause way way way way way way down for those drugs plus its life, hold up a giant sign to the drug companies on every other drug you get.

Far out a line we are prepared to enter, In the national interest and make these drugs available to families could do that one Toby Congress President proposed American jobs Planet american families plan both include a ton of great progressive policies, highly unlikely that everything ends up in the final bill or bills depending what, in your view, two or three most important policies that you'll be fighting for the hardest like. What will you go to the mat for it sounds like child care is child, one of those policies right childcare and when he put a pitching, because You know as well as anyone Devils always in the details, when I say childcare. I mean universal Childcare. I mean it's there for all of us, babies and all, and look at your income goes up. There's a co pay

so I want to make sure that any parent who wants to put a child into while care will have access to do it if you're in times higher you'll have to pay? up to seven percent of your total income, but but it's available to you, I also want to put in a pitch if it's not too deep in the Woods One of the things back and forth. Around childcare, childcare hassle been done in this country to the extent that spend federal support, which has been way way way way way too small along the lines of of worker requirement, so Therefore, this paper work even to find out. If you can get your kid into one of these centres, in my view on this is bullshit backwards. we should not be done we don't ask parrots when they send their kid a third grade or you working right. Are you just trying to finish your education, or are you

Trying to start a business will, can you bring us some documentation? No, we say we're gonna, make this available to offer It is because we think it's really good thing for KIDS Diversion to go to third grade I feel the same way about when there are three years old and when there are two years old, probably are looking into this now, since you Charlie, but parents who can afford it either. They have a stay at home. Parents often up nurtured children in and they may call them play groups or you know baby time or whatever they called it starts early ever imagined exactly, but you know why it starts hurling it because we ve come to understand brains better than we used to develop better than we used to.

for example, eighteen month folds and two year old into place where there are other toys and lots of color and noise it helps build. have you worry, it helps shoulder gets socialized help children were under control themselves. These. are good things. Indeed, we call it child care and day. I get after the pandemic. You know that Rights are walking ways I don't want to give us some care, but its education, and we need to invest our littlest Americans We need to make that investment in them an and make it high quality, affordable and allowed one more pitch. We do this

it's not only good for the babies and good for the Mama's in daddy's, it's good for the child care providers. That day, economics think for just a minute about the economics of running childcare centres. Have America and a child care desert, meaning there are one or two zero childcare facilities avail. waiting lists on average stretch out what feels like for ever. Why doesn't the supply ramp up on its own, where all might affect markets? Friends, any answer. Parents can afford it I saw sitting economic so providing high quality childcare. Is you can't afford most families too? pay, what it would really cost and work. So we don't ass parents to pay. The full cost of third grade

We should not ask them to pay the full cost of pre k or two year old, so I want to get this money in and then raised the wages of every child per worker, pre school teacher in America, notice what you call that infrastructure will remember that time of it when you started yeah. The jobs plan shops plan may not be infrastructure plan this has been driving me not senator, amply here What really gets to me about it. most of the time when we are talking about jobs through time about construction, jobs and Therefore, I am offering lights plenty of other important jobs. The play there are other important jobs we invest in child care. We are also investing in women jobs because Women are the principal child care providers, principle women of color and run? now what

Most women are making in child care, maybe better article B, a cashier Mcdonald's, and In fact, that's why there's a lot of high turnover in the field? Let's make this a real profession that pays. and we could do that by making an investment as a nation and again well look at ways to lift up families to help. Greece more economic security for the working poor there's a way to do it, so you knows about trillion dollars worth spending between through these plans. You know the Republicans there their deficit complaints and then they got their tax complaints which don't even match with each other. But I was wondering yesterday as the talk about inflation started pick it up with Treasury Secretary Yeltsin's comments. it pal summers. His concern at this. Can inflation too

what's the argument wooden, inevitably republican start opposing this plan with a new excuse, which is you know, inflation, it concerns prices are going up everywhere. What what? What do you say to that? no they're, not How can we just hard there and we have they haven't, they have yelled Wolf slash inflation, how many times now. I think They were yelling that forty years ago right, which is that this has been their standard response, and then just ten happen on anything does start to happen. JANET Young, has got a lotta tools to deal with it. We are well prepared. We have an arsenal to deal with itself. I was It ain't breath on that day over and over when the Republicans want to cut taxes,

Don't worry about dad, they don't worry, but tell us more about inflation. Nothing matters except cutting axes which tell us, will pay for itself, which it never does. that's what the data now shop you're. So I'm a little tired of hearing the Republicans run too. Of the same old, tired arguments. Shame on them at shame on us if we listen to them, but I want to make a third point that is. We do need revenue and unjust. this general. It's not that you have to tie it to one thing, because they only want to talk about taxes, what we are starting to put things forward I just want to say in German, we to do more revenue, wealth, tax, wealth tax. Oh here's, my fave, well, tax combined with a real corporate profits tax that is attacks on book income

not sure after you ran every scam through the tax code upon what reporting to your shareholders enter the public and basing your ceo pay on. A seven percent tax for corporations that report more than a hundred million dollars in profits and third like on the stool, early double the IRA, budget within, structures that that money goes into enforcing tax laws for millionaires, billionaires and giant corporations. unlike the Bite administration, wants to do that last thing: that's right! They in fact work at pieces of all in its aren't? You know my job push for more right. Do those three things just those three things as all the other kind of pieces were tribe, may very well sport. But but the point is those three things alone.

what worries us about, strongly in dollars over ten. That's enough money for the infrastructure, enough money for the care and giving, and there is still a couple a trillion left over so Can we talk about what the hell we're gonna do with Joe in the filibuster? Do you have a plan, for that Ok, so let us let us start with the little history. Our aim for president on getting wet. The filibuster? I remember I remember we spent. We spent a whole primary unpleasant America talking about it. We got, we will once we have a whole bunch of candidates following your leave finally say no filibustering. Now now we're in what I call the Joe mentioned, Cul DE sac weekends. Every debate on every policy issue that doesn't fit in reconciliation comes back to obey Joe mentioning the filibusters, and now I can't do it. But what do we do? So? I want to see it gone. And I'm gonna keep staying out they'll make we argued and around it. The question is how

We're gonna, get there how we gonna get from here to there. I think the pressure, on our centre to reassure hesitant is good. Ah, let me start by saying years ago with young man to where we are right. Now Who, years ago, working party we work close, brought this last year we have more a lot of folks in the Senate. Now I get it it's gonna. Take fifty eight to make this happen, so don't ourselves pollyanna your, but Joe sell short what you got working on John S, All the people who have pick that up and who have raised it at tat an halls who have tweeted about it who have posted about it so that more porters ask about it so that news

articles keep moving run. Some. We have got to keep the pressure up here. cs right now,. this historic rescue. Package that we just finished, stop and think what that was like it, was firstly, a lot of progress. the priorities like child care in other things, were in it too the fact that the press of the United States said I want to be by partisan and invited the Republicans in- and these have all we're- not gonna- do that. It's too much money and he does straight on ahead. That's you important the world changes when that habit. He wrote I partisan as Democrats and Republicans like it and part three. He got us all right, fifty five, hey senators. We were there

so that has got earthshaking consequences Mitch Mcconnell and his? No I'm not like you do anything. Well, then, so good for your wife's time, then do you remember who was it one of the republican senators who is talking about after the rescue package. Past help is on the way, Without mentioning that, he had voted against it further towards recognising, though, that this is pop now we're moving. I think they were trying to get things going, simultaneously, but right now its infrastructure and caregiving fairy popular. so we're gonna put it tendentious again. Are you really gonna filibuster, This right and is you do do with it. We can get all fifty senators to either we may have to go harder ram at three

reconciliation. Overruled ruling of the parliamentarian on what can go into reconciliation. Get you get the point, that's kind of like the next round we got a roll up hill, but every time you do is you get stronger? Emu send a lot of messages to the nation. I don't know a single person, I'm gonna trip fourteen hundred dollars as it were going to check for fourteen hundred dollars, but they passed through reconciliation, so I dont really want it. Like an organ, do the same thing here and now: we're gonna have to do the third one, and that is boating, I was going to say that this should hit the fan with age, our one, of course- and I mean- and that's that just about the democratic parties agenda. That's democracy! Right! We end been thinking about this. We just you mentioned as we just survive an attempted coup in a violent insurrection. I can't but feeling like we're all living in into different realities. Right now and one reality, Joe Biden is restoring com.

And governance and passing progressive legislation, and the other most republic from the leadership to the base. Support them, you're trying to steal the last election and want em to run again and he might run again. You who are from a family of much more sensible republicans. How do we get back to a play or we can all have big disagreements about policy, issues and not about democracy itself, that's a hard question, John, but I think part of it. Is the more we do this. In a specific, Nonetheless, we do this in the abstract. It gets a lot easier talk to me about roads, talk to me about childcare. Talk to me about about this things that matter in my life right now: vaccine distribution. you ve made available, it does like it you this is.

The debate administrations philosophy. I heard Chuck tumor talk about this too- that you up you ve all or to coalesced around the idea that, if, if Democrats can deliver, if Democrats can tangibly improve those lives and show America that we can govern com. tat. We then all the crap We get from the right wing why matter is much too voters at the end of the day. Is that is that the theory, I think that's the thing I am actually very good description of the theory and look it's it's scary. happening over on the right wing and end. It is like you say, just a whole alternate reality, but or a narrower set of people. So right Neil for me it's about, and I think for most of my colleagues. What can we show you in concrete incontrovertible terms

This is what a government can do for you. This is we can get those. acclamations out. If you want them, you can keep yourself in your family safe, boy. That goes a long way on the credibility spectrum, if you need some help financially, we ve got away to get some help to you and that's why I go back to this notion that we were talking about earlier, because talk about it a lot in the book. That's I believe that, This is a moment for change that that that over this last year, in this pandemic,. We have decided, we want a government that least is on your side. We, Why government that that is willing to look at any rate quality and say ya. It's there and win

can make some changes to make it better whip, want a government that says we want. and easier for you to get to work with to make it easier for you to be able to buy a home. We just want to create more opportunity for you, we're not just trying to run this kind. three for a handful of show, both billionaires. we're trying to run it for all of America, one of it the huge challenges that we face, this information and propaganda. You spend a lot of time in your campaign, taking aim at both Fox NEWS and Facebook. The facebook oversight, Bored just decided that They are upheld Trump suspension from Facebook. Although it I too am transformer cheese, chief of staff complaining and saying, or something of Congress are now looking at breaking up the company, which you of course proposed during the primary.

Are you gonna have some republican allies in this fight now for breaking up Facebook? I may I make so what I'm glad not to have to get up every morning in Europe. open minded to somewhere else? What our latest is from Donald Trump. Think about what this means Facebook has become better than government they, something call! A supreme Court wait a minute what elected officials confirm those guys? Where were the public hearings who ended up on that Supreme Court and that they could decide a question like who has access to to Bob

walking in America or any other report? Look I think tromp should be banned but the issue is that these companies are way too big and way too powerful and that's true for Facebook, for Amazon, for Google. Let's do arm list here and The reasons for me just to real, quick, its bulk. It's a set. economic reasons. What look at a company like Amazon Watch business model, they went to bed, This is simultaneously. Basically, one is a platform right where buyers and sellers you want to buy online come together, create second is they compete with the sellers show. You were on, you know, Sean premium pet food,

and are doing a great job there scraping information out of air. Every single transaction. They went you take all the risk of the start up test out. The idea. Do the proof of concept And then, when they say you're making real money sent off, I get it. well what I do Sean's premium pet food. Only it's John with an age move, up to the front move you back to page seven in scope and the profits and crash The small business. you can do one of the other. You can be the empire in the game or you can have a team in the game, but you don't get to do both at the same time. So there's a lot of Economic reason for breaking up up Facebook, there should be carpet mission among different alternatives. Just like there are four Fung carriers, you can Keep your cell phone number by,

who can decide to move to different carriers and you can shop for price or maybe for privacy strong economic reasons for breaking them up, but not all, strong political reasons. They ve got too damn much political power. Do you see opportunities for progress and in breaking them up, or at least are of limiting their power over the next four years? Sure, and the number one thing that Smee optimism here, as we already have eighty trust laws on the books. We I hope gonna have a department of justice. That is willing to enforce those anti trust loss. Now you know mind you, for now policy, let's go a really good assistant, such horny. All for any trust Ah, whom really is willing to take on the giants? But but it's there

This is something you have to get this through. A calmer snip are theirs. things Congress could do to tighten up the laws and it you know, worked horns and bad court decisions sure, but for openers. Let's just pick up the Anti trust, rules that are already there in law and, let's start using question for I let you go a few weeks ago. Man, you admire very much Dwayne. Johnson said he will consider running for president previously said, you thought this was a good idea. Does he have your endorsement? Well, it too early to improve, but all I can say is based. Still my beating heart I heard you say on India that you're not looking to be President right now any chance. You might change your mind in the future Jos by is running President he's burning for real action

my job is to help him succeed as president I wrote persist, to focus on what we mean to do. While we have this opportunity think next hundred days, that's when we make the changes that would last for generations absolutely Thank you for doing so much, please give Bailey my belated birthday wishes. I saw the video of him personally. the full burrito in his mouth, does that's? How did you eat the whole thing of that war slept for about three days? That's a good birth. The baby, so much centre nor in the book is persist. Everyone go check it out. It's a fantastic book, thanks for coming by Piazza, Thank you thanks for having me John thanks to Elizabeth worn for joining us today, great talk any

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